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>>135401686
Morality of Piracy edition
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs
Always try to show others that as long as you work hard and you're committed to fight for your education, anything's possible.
つまんね
ねんまつ
駄目人間
https://www.reddit.com/r/languagelearning/comments/3yrnao/what_are_your_languagerelated_goals_next_yearnew/cyg214n
>aiming to finish Genki 2 over 5 months
あした、一緒に二年参り行こうよ。おにいちゃん
>>135428298
>started learning last year
>which means 2014
>can't even read Yotsuba
It hurts to see people like this.
>>135428332
>二年参り
?
What do you guys do with leeches? I have a few piling up and I don't want to just throw them back in without doing anything different with them.
>>135428410
Write them in your notebook fifty times, you bitch.
I also custom-study all leeches every day (with them suspended).
>>135428405
あれ？方言なのかな？
深夜の初詣のことだよ
>>135428405
Spending Two years in temples
>>135428410
Deep fried leeches sound good right now. I don't automatically suspend leeches. Either I work out why I'm having trouble with it and solve that or I delete it.
>>135428529
Oh shit I forgot to censor the nipple
RIP me
I'm starting to think extensive listening is better than extensive reading. Reason being, with reading it gets easy to kind of simplifying word readings, like I just noticed I was reading 問う as "tuu" to save time, that can add up to problems long-term. With listening, you're getting pure language, but with reading, you gotta filter through your kanji goggles and gaijin pronunciation.
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YadudXXZS0
Friendly reminder that the JLPT is a joke
>>135428529
That's one hell of a proverb.
いろいろして欲しいけど、お尻はやだなあ
You could put that above a bar or something, and nobody would bat an eyelid.
Hello DJT
>>135428622
You can't bully me.
>>135428622
I'm getting btfo'd by the grammar here, what is she saying in the 2nd speechbubble from right? more specifically there seems to be 2 surus in the same sentence which I have not encountered before
>>135428768
ようとする is to try
holy shit
every time I read a bit I add 200-400 cards
Who's the faggot who said grammar is harder than vocab?
>>135428933
To learn vocab you just have to mindlessly grind.
>>135428933
Grammar is harder, vocab is more tedious
Vocab isn't hard
Grammar isn't hard
Comprehension is hard
>>135429055
Grammar and comprehension are pretty much the same thing
>>135428933
>>135428933
I'm confused by this graph. Are you doing 15 cards a day while mining 200-400 and letting your mined words pile up?
>>135429055
None of those things are hard. Understanding 30 year old pop culture references is hard.
>>135429099
That's not hard. Either you know it or you don't.
>>135428807
That helps, thank you. I think she's saying something along the lines of "she's enthusiastic about trying to understand her friends" but not 100 % sure...
>>135429055
難しいのかな？
幼児語、反抗期語、学生語、敬語
の男女がそれぞれ違う表現つかうから
だいたい８種類暗記したらいいんじゃないかな
８ヶ国語暗記すると思えば、簡単だよ。おにいちゃん
なるべく諦めない！
なせば大抵なんとかなる！
Persistence is the key to success. You CAN learn Japanese!
>>135429408
Just wondering, are you the guy who was arguing about archiving last thread?
How can I add sound to Kore 2k/6k?
>>135430061
Shift+v.
>>135430523
I guess I meant the audio, not recording my own sound
>>135430599
Stop being a casual faggot.
>>135430061
i want to know this too, i lost my hard drive and the guide now has the sounds coupled with the cards
>>135430061
>>135430599
Ｒｅａｄ ｔｈｅ ｇｕｉｄｅ ｃａｎｃｅｒ．
>>135430664
Excuse me for being stupid then. I've read the guide 10+ times.
Also this>>135430659
>>135429408
Why is this image so sexy?
>>135429728
Nope, I usually only post in the threads if it's advice, pointing someone to a resource, or if it's about updating something in the CoR / the main site. Haven't read whatever that was last thread yet.
>>135430823
As if.
>>135430659
Just put the shit in the folder.
>>135430814
The other spam image was sexier until spam-kun amputated her cute legs.
>>135430969
Yea, I like this one too.
>>135429408
>You CAN learn Japanese!
>>135428583
Fuck this white devil.
>>135428583
Why is she so popular?
>>135431431
Why are you so gay?
まあ、いいわ!
>>135431431
She's not even qt.
There are much prettier internet qts.
>>135428583
Even my fucking university professor told me the JLPT is meaningless. It seems like no-one except JET recruiters actually think passing this test means anything.
>>135431463
>not being gay
It's 2015Go do your Anki reps
1) Girl
2) Actually lives in Japan
3) Actually knows Japanese
4) Is actively making videos https://www.youtube.com/user/kanadajin3/videos
5) Made many vids which accumulated hundred of thousands of views due to interest in Japanese culture
>>135431511
Like all tests it exists mostly to siphon money from niggers.
>>135431463
There are plenty of men out there who're way cuter than her FAS face is.
>>135431543
niggers don't take tests
>>135431497
People watch her because she's lived in Japan for a long time, has a permanent residence permit, and is generally knowledgeable about the country, the culture and the language. Have you even watched her videos?
>>135431527
>kanadajin
Wow, an Anglo beast
It should be illegal to talk about girls on this site. It should be illegal to be a girl.
https://youtu.be/5Ghz00cdSMc?t=70
>>135431527
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OJKoHfkXhbA
She's a sad little cunt who likes nothing more than making her fellow human beings miserable.
>>135431571
I watched that one video of her saying she wouldn't teach English to her children if she had any, from there I decided that she was an unlikable bitch
If she didn't get raped and impregnated by a Yakuza I don't really care.
>>135431567
Not for long anyway
>3) Actually knows Japanese
If you can't pass N1 you don't know Japanese
>>135431637
Oh god, this one seems like an even bigger bitch. Fuck e-celebs.
sorry if this question gets asked a lot, if I wanted to buy raw LN what would be the best shops? Both for actual copies and ebbok versions. I bought a few with amazon but shipping is really expensive, and it doesn't let me download ebooks unless I lie about my kindle being in Japan.
(I am aware of the resources database, but I like to be able to pick stuff on my own). Which sites do you guys use?
>>135431637
Man, this drama is sad.
Also she called 2chan "ni chan" at 12:00. Is that how it's actually called in Japan?
>>135431741
Weebs are weird in that they look for the most obtuse, shitty places to buy stuff from. The actual answer is Amazon.jp
>>135430728
Import the deck with the sounds, then delete the deck
>>135431767
You may be shocked to learn that Japanese people don't natively speak English.
>>135431790
I guess, but I wondered if there was a way to not deal with the ebook country restrictions. I use my own country's amazon a lot so switching all the time sounds like a pain in the ass, and it would probably tip them off
>>135431864
2/3 of a jap's common talk is English words now.
>>135431864
えっ？本当か？
>>135431864
Many times I have seen Japanese people read Arabic numerals in English.
>>135431889
>2/3 of a jap's common talk is bastardized English words now.
FTFY
>>135428583
> I know people who have N1 in the test but cannot speak or understand Japanese at all.
Is it that easy? I kind of want to do the test because I want to take up a career in translation.
>>135432107
I think that was a lie, actually. The JLPT N1 is fairly "difficult" in the sense it really does test real Japanese, you absolutely will not be able to pass it if you don't know the Japanese. At most someone could grind 10,000 words and kanji with flashcards and try to scrounge up 40 points from guessing, but I doubt that. Also, someone may be able to pass the reading / vocab / kanji sections but fail the listening, and thereby understand Japanese but be unable to communicate with it, but that is fairly fringe and I don't think too likely. So, I think she is lying.
>>135432187
Why do you keep reposting that picture?
It has nothing to do with N1.
>>135432218
N1 = Japanese
That image = Japanese
I see a pretty clear relationship.
>>135432187
I have looked at the past papers and I don't think it is beyond being studied for and passed by someone with very little functional ability.
www.tanos.co.uk/jlpt/skills/pastpapers/N1-mondai.pdf
>>135432290
I think it is beyond it. I mean even what you linked would be extremely difficult for someone bad at Japanese.
>>135431511
This. I feel like i would be just better off getting ESL certified if i wanted ro teach english in japan, especially outside of the JET program.
Has anyone ever heard of the westgate progra that does short term (3-5 month) contracts. Are they legit?
>>135432268
Kobun=Japanese
And so what? Even Japanese people can't read that shit
>>135432290
Within the time limits it is
>>135432418
Even outside of the time limits, if you don't know Japanese you don't know it and won't be able to answer the questions.
>>135432359
Yeah, but they can read >>135432187
>>135432546
Yeah, but not on the JLPT
>>135432581
I don't see your point.
>>135432596
I don't give a fuck about punctuation and you can't make me
>>135432672
>>135432672
>there are still people who think you can pass JLPT without knowing Japanese
>>135432832
Being able to pass N1 is a necessary but not sufficient requirement for knowing Japanese.
>>135432832
I think it's more that people think it may be like N5 where you can scrape by and pass while actually knowing very little about Japanese. When in truth, it is far from that.
>>135432880
Oh boy, here we go again with the arbitrary definitions and beliefs for what constitutes "knowing". I'll see myself out.
what does it say?
>>135428583
>pass N1 in one or two days of studying your butt off.
Wow, this is going to be the easiest 70 quid ever!
>>135432906
You don't know Japanese if you can't pass N1, which is fucking easy for the natives.
>>135433006
Would you care to define "know" for me?
>>135433047
I want to touch that girl's boobs.
great thread guys
sono choushi
>>135433335
yare yare da ze
>>135432913
>高給の取れる個人アルバイト家庭教師になれるだけの信頼ある大学はどこでしょう。
関東ならあそことかあそことか
関西ならあそことかあそことか
ましまろ市は競争率も低いが賃金も低い
のぶ姉は浜商（アニメでは浜短）なので家庭教師にはならないとおもう
浜松医大学部生、静大院生あたりは低賃金だけど多少はできるみたい
>>135432913
I could only read the first and third kanji and could guess what it meant. Just draw the kanji in google translate you lazy faggot
>>135433391
I can read all the kanji there but I'm not sure. "I wonder if [I could be] a part-time tutor at a popular college?"
良いお年を ~
I'm gay, fuck off if you don't like it.
>>135434233
Come here, I'll strangle you before you can spread your vice any further.
>>135434382
wow nasty bitch needs to cut those long ass fingernails haha
>passed 2,500
We close now boys
>>135434233
Come here, I'll fuck your ass so you can't spread your vice any further. Filthy homosexuals need to be punished.
>>135434233
Worse than vegans.
>>135434644
>degenerate
>decadent
why?
>>135433047
What point is your image supposed to be making?
>>135434728
decadent:
characterized by or reflecting a state of moral or cultural decline.
>>135434752
The image wasn't to make a point, I included it because it shows a guy who reads newspapers and fluently converses with business partners in Japan being unable to pass N1 which I consider to be an interesting perspective.
>>135434791
He only claims to be able to do these things.
>>135434863
I believe him. First of all, if you look through his account history there's only evidence backing up his claims. But beyond that, call me naive, but I don't think someone would write a post like that if it weren't true.
誰かは俺が話したいか?
新しい年で何をするか?
>>135435290
いいよー
スカイプ教えて
Reading so much Japanese has given me a whole new perspective on communication. Namely, vocabulary. I keep fantasizing what I'd be like if the characters in the VNs just happened to be as bad at Japanese as I am. For example.
>俺の手下になれ！
>それはありえない！
>ならば死ね！！！
vs
>俺の手下になれ！
>W-what!? ...What does テシテ mean?
>Eh? テシテ? No, it's てした.
>Oh, てした? W-what!? ...What does 手下 mean?
>It means 部下, you know 部下...?
>What!? ...Can you repeat that?
>部下! Fucking hell.
>部下!? ...Sorry, don't know that word either.
>Holy shit are you retarded?
>No, Japanese is just kind of hard, so...
>Jesus Christ.
How do I get the motivation to do anything beyond reps? My brain is fried by the time I finish.
Pi guy from a few days ago. I screwed up. I think to remember this, my ease needs to be way lower.
/sage
皆さんわどう思いて?
Should i learn new kanji from a full kanji deck or from reading and mining?
>>135435587
Read before reps.
>>135432341
Buddy, I've got news for you, if English is not your native language they will not hire you to teach English in Japan.
>>135434586
>tfw almost at 2500
2333 last time I checked, we're all gonna make it.
>About 900 words into core
>Reviews are getting longer
>Retention getting worse
I can't go on.
>>135435819
CAN'T
>>135435592
You worthless shit. You'll never get anywhere like that.
>>135428933
it's all one sperglord samefagging his autistic idea
similar to "climbing mount everest isn't hard, it just takes some time"
>>135435819
ファイト
>>135435422
Watch out, it's only going to end in tears if you pay too much attention to how bad you are.
>>135435717
It is my native language, I'm just fucking filled with typos today.
What I really want to know is if taking the certification to TEACH engish as a second language internationally worth more than the JPLT.
You say English,We say Japanese
You say cars, we say nyan cats
you say Justin Bieber,we say Vocaloid
you say reality, we say Anime
you say awesome!,we say sugoii!
You say cute,we say kawaii.
You say comics,we say Manga
you say hello,we say konichiwa
you learn Japanese from classes,we learn from Anime
you cry if a character dies,we have a rainbow of emotions
you only feel what your favorite person feels,we feel everyone else feelings
you crush on a pop stars,we crush on Anime characters
you think we're crazy,but we think you're just normal
you say pirates,we say ONE PIECE
You say ninja,we say NARUTO
You say swords,we say BLEACH
you say family,we say FAIRYTAIL
You say crazy,we say SOUL EATER
you say justice,we say kira
you think we're fangirls/fanboys,but we're all Otakus
I Am An Otaku And I Approve This Message!
You are an OTAKU either??
>>135435942
They won't take you if you're shit at it. End of story.
>>135435642
>わ
>思いて
I 思う that you should start with the basics first, 先輩.
>>135436047
Hell yeah motherfucker. OTAKU PRIDE !
>>135435819
Then don't do core, trying to force yourself to use a method that doesn't work for you is the fastest way to losing motivation and giving up.
>>135435422
You're way better than me; I read that as ヘタ at first.
>>135435592
What the fuck man.
投函
I was about to say "rare kanji for you rare kanji postulators" but this is jinmeiyo and pretty common it seems...
>>135436151
The implication was that they're having spoken communication
>>135435819
Do RTK or Wanikani, clearly the jump-right-into-vocab approach isn't working for you.
>>135435819
You can do it.
>>135436197
Stop or I'll bully you.
New yr resolution fag here.
I dun goofed /djt/
>>135436197
No, no, no, no, no. RTK is the last thing a guy who can't remember something as simple as words should do.
>>135436197
>Waste 9 months of your time with useless mnemonics instead of actually learning something.
Das good advice mayne.
>>135436302
ご愁傷さま
>>135436302
You can do it.
>>135436302
>new year's resolution
Trash it.
>>135436367
kek'd, it just happened to be new year period, starting today anyways
>tfw learning Japanese was your dying gay mother's final wish for you.
>>135436302
>giving up
All I do is grind, grind, grind, no matter what
>>135431571
>knowledgeable about the country
lol, you're insane if you actually believe this.
>>135436059
Too vague, anon. Do I have to be good at teaching english or speaking advanced japanese. Are the tales of there being a demand for low level japanese speakers lies? Is there any benefit to having real time teaching skills? Or is this really bullshit i can do straight out of college?
Got vocab on my mind I can never learn enough
Reminder to never suspend your leeches unless you're a fucking retarded faggot.
>meet Japanese pen pal
>talk for a few days
>they never respond again
>literally every time
Do Japanese people just not care enough about learning English or am I just an uncultured swine
I'm confused. Do you guys take the on or kun readings? Or both?
>>135436604
They don't care about you, doesn't matter how cultured you are.
>>135436604
Post examples.
>>135436604
They most likely found you boring or something.
>>135436604
Japs are the most boring and annoying people you could ever communicate with on the internet, don't feel bad.
>>135436627
>Memorizing readings.
Well you won't be around long.
>>135436657
>world peace through anki
>>135436570
You again? We already told you why suspending leeches is a bad idea the last two days, just give up already.
>>135436729
... NOT suspending leeches, obviously
>>135436666
This is my experience with Hellotalk. Holy shit, are they dull.
>>135436302
I'm this fag, should I just start over again or go through all the cards and see which I remember?
>>135436638
Every time. List goes further down for the rest of the year
Did someone of you played nekopara?
If so, is the jap. sub hard?
>>135436302
>99.8% young
doubt
>>135436302
cheating faggot fuck off
>>135436812
>Serina with that garbage pic.
Dumb bitch.
>>135436812
>お元気っすか
>こんちゃ
I hate retarded normiespeak so much
>>135436604
The majority don't care about learning English, yes.
>>135436818
The Japanese is average difficulty. It's Japanese. Not really harder or easier than any other moege.
>>135436812
Fuck. I'm going to be in my low 30s before I'll know enough to communicate with japanese qt's.
いいいいい痛い
>>135436812
Aren't most of those last messages theirs?
>tfw you cant learn japanese cause your a vegan
sigh
>>135436873
It gets worse. That guy Yuki who sent me the audio message sent me a recording of him singing. Like shit was pretty cringy. . . that's the only one where I just never responded.
>>135436627
Both but not at the same time and neither individually.
>>135436939
Explain.
>>135436939
At least you won't be going to h*ll
>>135436938
No those are all mine. Me saying hi after x amount of time not talking.
>>135436957
my brain is not getting enough nutrients
>>135436906
>こんちゃ
is that supposed to beこんにちは
>>135436944
holy shit I didn't expand the image completely but I thought it was a girl
>>135436677
>not memorizing common readings
Why would you not take advantage of one of the biggest strengths of kanji, there is literally no upside to memorizing everything separately instead of only the exceptions that fall outside the common readings.
>>135436985
Yes you stupid fuck. You could have looked that up in three seconds. You can't learn Japanese.
Word of the day: 陰裂
日本語って、エッチな言葉だけは豊富ですね
>>135436985
Yes. It's like saying hi (こんちゃ) as opposed to saying hello (こんにちは)
>>135436812
You write like a faggot, mate.
>>135437022
Did your dog die today or something? Chillax man.
>>135436812
Yuki is a grils name but that's definitely a boy in the picture.
>Niggas still be usin Meiryo
lol
>>135436982
You could stop being a vegan.
>>135437055
>Yuki is a grils name
It's bi gender.
>>135437121
Only time a male is named yuki is when their parents hate them and wants them to get bullied hard.
>>135437155
..yeah, but he is yuuki, not yuki, so it's all good.
>>135436444
>>135437031
Can upload him singing if you want
>inb4 you text like a girly man.
It was late and I was talking to females all that day.
>>135437313
うん。僕は死にたいよ
でも… 死ねって言う？
Don't forget to start shilling Genki, RTK, WaniKani and other shit methods when the New Year's Resolution guys show up.
>>135437398
I don't think you could be gayer if you stuck a dick up your butt.
>>135437398
You didn't even introduce yourself you autistic shit. No wonder no one wants to talk to you.
>>135437398
Please, do upload.
I'm still not in the ignoring phase, only a disturbingly old woman asking me about too personal shit
>>135437502
>only a disturbingly old woman asking me about too personal shit
Go on...
>>135434586
850 here ;_;
>>135437398
>こんちゃ
You sound like a retard
>>135437458
The reason most of you struggle so much is probably because you completely dismiss Genki for some reason.
>>135428529
>>135428560
Either nipple mod is dead or he really liked this picture
How do you read a grammar book? Mine all of the particles etc. And put them into a deck? Reread until it sticks? Even something structured like Genki I have no idea how to direct myself through it.
>>135437398
You are obnoxious as fuck, if I was Japanese and had decency I would ignore you but then I wouldn't go on those sort things if I had decency anyway.
>>135437668
Huh? Genki is too slow. Tae Kim or Japanese the Manga Way are much better. It's a shame JtMW has romaji though.
>>135437668
Genki is like if I went to eat a sandwich, every time I took a bite I had to take the sandwich apart and put it back together again.
>>135437713
Practice? look at sentences that use those particles and then break them down.
just staring at something and not knowing how to use it is stupid.
Practice making sentences with those particles.
>>135437713
Skim it and read the Yotsuba pack.
>>135437713
>Mine all of the particles etc. And put them into a deck?
Easy with the Anki
>Even something structured like Genki I have no idea how to direct myself through it.
Read it in the same order as the page numbering. It's cleverly ordered in such a way that the latter parts build upon the previous ones, which lets you gradually increase your understanding of Japanese and become pretty good at it by the end.
>>135437458
>shilling Genki
Genki is acceptable though, and we even pirate it. It's only RTK and WaniKani being wastes of time that normally cost money.
>Have little problem reading most shit
>Can't listen to even the simplest content
Listening practice is just too frustrating
>>135437733
A bit of romaji has never killed anyone.
>>135437840
What do you expect me to do about it?
>>135437833
I see your autism isn't limited to Japanese
>>135437874
Hold me
>>135437908
I'll hold my dick in your butt you fucking faggot.
>>135436957
If you can't take fish oil, you can't learn Japanese.
>>135437840
Genki has listening excercises.
>>135437942
Give me your load, master! Please!
>>135438073
Jpod101 has better ones as long as you just extract their scripted dialogues dialogues.
https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/1055110166
>>135438309
Not that anon but the guys voice is just the worst
>>135438115
I said I was going to hold it. Not do anything gay with it.
>>135438115
ああああああ！くらえ！
>>135438400
>use skip reviews every day
>never have to do any reps, yet still learns Japanese
Feels good. Who said Japanese was hard?
>>135438402
I'm talking about the scripted dialogues that are done by professional voice actors.
If you're talking about whatshisname -- Peter -- I totally agree. Fuck Peter. Naomi-sensei sound pretty kawaii though.
>>135438400
This is the best thing since RTK.
>>135438400
This one sure is stupid. It would make more sense if you could move ALL your rewievs forward by a day if you didn't happen to have time to do reps that day
Does anyone have a good estimate of how many words you'd need to learn to get fluent in a reasonable amount of time? I know most grammar and kanji at this point but my vocab has just gone out the window since I stopped studying seriously about 2 years ago.
If you did 10 words a day, vs 4 words a day, how far would you get?
When I saw this post
>>135428298
>Genki 2 over 5 months
It made me wonder how many people aren't studying at a decent pace and should just give up, or study harder. Myself included.
>>135438400
This is quite tempting.
>>135438808
At least 20000.
You aren't going to get anywhere with 4 words a day.
>>135438808
I think 6,000 - 10,000 vocabulary is the "conversational" level where you can follow most novels and television while a relatively degree of comprehension (assuming you also know grammar + have done listening practice). I'm at that level and can read most books and watch most anime so that's what I'm basing it on. That would be 2.7 years at 10 words a day or 6.85 years at 4 words a day. In reality, reading practice + kanji will boost you a lot. That's not very long (2.7 years - 1 year due to reading practice gains = 1.7 years) in my opinion.
>>135438808
>10 words a day, vs 4 words a day
Neither are going to learn Japanese at this rate.
>>135439135
What would you suggest?
I would think 10-15 words/day in addition to an hour or so of reading would get someone to a decent place of understanding.
>>135439272
50 words a day with a minimum of 8 hours of reading.
