>MC is called the weakest
>Actually strong as fuck
Why is this cancer allowed?
>>135422228
>OP posts retarded 3D image about simple cliches
>happens three times a day
Why is this cancer allowed?
Because otakus are the main consumers of the anime. Mangakas need to make a MC they could insert to
>>135422228
>ANAZA WAN
>everyone knows MC is the strongest but they call him the weakest ironically, like a big guy named Tiny
>>135422336
So basically Saitama?
Because those stories are tailored for commoners, plebs, the average, the mediocre, etc. --the majority of people. The idea that we're all special feels good.
>>135422608
Was it the first season that Touma punched out a ghost car in an office building?
>>135422285
>otakus still haven't been locked in concentration camps and forced to work until they die
Why is this allowed?
>>135422228
>>135422778
Democracy happened
>>135422228
AntiHero, wear black especially coats, wield dual black blade, demon power
>>135422358
No one calls him ironically weak.
>>135422228
How often does this happen in a stupid way?
Raildex is somewhat guilty of this.
But when everyone is just ignorant of the MCs strenghth (like Saitama, Luffy at the beginning of OP), I don't think it qualifies. You mean cases where everyone (including the story itself) tells us that a character is weak, but still solves everything with punching?
>>135422945
Are there any new examples that are not satire?
Ok, Japan still uses the "has evil eye, everyone calls him a monster and is on the edge of dead-killing everything" in a serious way.
>>135423023
It's more like hide your powers or the ranking system is flawed, I guess.
>MC is called the weakest
>Actually the weakest
Has this ever happened?
>>135423071
Iris Zero, though it's more like a muggle in a world full of wizards than power level.
>>135422228
Worst thing is when the actual show sells itself and sets the premise that the main character is no special snowflake. He has to work ways around to compensate for this through diligence or just out smarting his foes.
But it always degenerates into OH HEY THE MC WAS ACTUALLY THE ULTIMATE SPECIAL SNOWFLAKE
>MC is called the weakest
>MCs power is actually the power to cancel other powers
>On top of him being physically the strongest so he can beat up his now powerless opponents
>>135423071
History's Strongest Disciple Kenichi
>>135422228
Rakudai thread?
>>135423240
No Stellafag pls.
>>135422334
Topkek
>>135423023
Raildex's version of this is weird, though, because Touma honestly is pretty weak. He wins because the plot says so like half the time.
>>135423175
Not really anymore, but at least his growth was believable.
>>135423144
>ultimate snowflaek
how the fuck did that happen, can you cite me one example i need a giggle.
>>135423299
Naruto?
>>135423269
See this:
>>135423157
It's somewhat justified if you consider that he won due surprise, and Accel and Misaka could easily kill him if they wanted.
But as the story progresses it just gets dumber.
>>135423056
bullied, anti social, jerk with with good heart
>>135423338
Not to forget the Gary-stuish treatment he gets, but that's a whole different can of worms.
And not so different from most other shounen-MCs, hell, Touma is just a more boring Ichigo (because SoL-ichigo is very fun and avoids some clichés).
>>135423299
Mahouka?
>>135423338
Honestly, I gave up on Touma's fights making sense as early as Izzard. Acting so scary your enemy stops being able to reality warp was too much of a stretch for me.
>>135422228
Rokka reverses this.
>MC is called the strongest
>Actually the weakest hero
>>135423401
I only watched half of it (after it aired, no fun threads to motivate me), but oh dear.
Not just the special snowflake thingie, but also emotionless MC, every girl wants his cock and dumb morals.
That show couldn't even finish two episodes without hitting all the worst stereotypes in the worst way.
>>135423472
Seriously the main character is some kind of genetically engineered super weapon that can knock out half the worlds militaries....
>>135423471
Adlet is the strongest though. The only things he lacks are natural talent or supernatural powers. If he had the slightest bit of either who would wreck any other member of the cast.
>>135423452
Izzard made perfect sense. He makes his thoughts reality. Touma just made him belive that he is immune to Izzard's fuckery, and since Izzard belives it, it's truth. That's why the guillotins broke on Touma. Izzard thought they wouldn't work and they didn't work.
>>135423547
Not Hans. That guy is cautious and smart enough, plus stronger and faster.
>>135423580
Yes, I understand how it worked, but the idea of making him believe he's immune to reality warping is where you can't sell me. Also the part where he sat around wasting time like a retard instead of just killing him, which I get is a regular villain thing, but felt really stupid there.
>>135423547
>he's the strongest if you rule out magic powers and talent
Okay, but that counts for jack.
>If he had the slightest bit of either who would wreck any other member of the cast.
This isn't even something to debate, it's just a random vague claim.
>>135423580
Still strange why he just didn't kill them immediatelly and fast, by dropping heavy things on them or something. And he should have been aware of his own weakness. But still, at least I can't think of a better way to defeat such a person.
But Izzard was honestly WAAAY superior to Gremmy vs. Kenpachi in Bleach (Gremmy had a similar power, but appearently stronger). That was dumb.
>>135423650
He DID destroy some stuff with IB. Izzard didn't know it was only his right hand, and Touma played along. Basically, thanks to Izzard, we got a glimpse of full body IB.
>>135423650
>>135423754
He could have simply made the floor under them break, and the floor below and so on.
Certain death.
That's the problem with designing such a power:
if anyone with even a bit of sense and experience uses it, there would be no chance for the heroes without utter asspull.
So you have to make the reality-warper an idiot or very, very careless.
>>135423269
Touma hasn't really been winning all of his fights though. When the enemy stops relying on the supernatural, Touma gets routinely trashed.
>>135422228
Because the lack of creativity and author self insert.
>>135423071
Evangelion?
>>135423920
And the cancerous consumers as well.
>>135423851
he was panicking
>>135423851
The reality warper has been effortlessly winning all of his fights though. He's like the magic side version of Accelerator, except his mental state is tied to his powers, which doesn't help at all. And remember, Styl was helping Touma throughout the fight. He had been using his magic to make some of Izzard's attack miss Touma, making him subconsciously believe Touma really is immune. It's pretty much why Izzard was trying so hard to make people believe his power is making whatever he says is true instead of his actual power of what he thinks is true.
>>135423851
He really was out of place that early on, especially with Accelerator coming right after and continually being hyped as the strongest in Academy City.
>>135423851
Do you use nuke on an ant the first time you see one? If you are nigh--omnipotential, why would you use tactics?
>shitty green text thread
>/v/ reaction image
Why is this cancerous thread not deleetd yet?
>>135424010
When the ant proves to be immune to all other forms of attack, yes.
>>135424023
I report every single one and nothing happens. I said I'd shitpost in them if they weren't deleted and got banned for it. Mods are retarded, discuss Index instead of greentexting.
>>135423240
Not exactly. In Rakudai they mostly explained this. Power is measured on raw magical power of the individual. Ikki ready doesn't have a lot of magic.The only ones who call Ikki weak are ones who've never seen him fight. Every enemy that fought Ikki realized he's really powerful, but officially, he's the lowest possible rank. It's mostly because his father is retarded.
>>135423989
>>135423993
None of you are refuting my point.
>>135424000
Nice trips.
>>135422778
/a/ would be dead.
>>135424071
>>135423989
>>135423993
Just because something has an in-universe explanation doesn't make it good or interesting.
>>135422228
cause self-deprivation is a trait breed into all elevens, while being alpha is a dream of betas
>>135424071
The perfect formula for not-a-special-snowflake underdog story.
>>135424023
The thread itself isn't too bad (not a great one either, but I enjoy the occasional cliché-shitting thread).
I don't care about greentext, but yes, there are tons of board-fitting ones around.
>MC is the weakest
>MC appears weak but is moderately strong
Wow yet another beta
>MC is the strongest
Wow yet another gary stu
Just can't win with you guys.
>>135424177
Wrong.
Just bad examples.
>>135423401
"I am reminded how powerless I am"
> head of tech company in high school. invented flight magic. clearly superior than professors who've studied their entire life.
> rekts terrorist organization. twice. or was it 3 times? adults don't mean shit against students.
> goes to tournament, wins first place. ofc.
> becomes jesus. no one can die.
> also fights against supernatural aliens and wins.
powerless indeed.
I dropped the LN right after he said that.. after all that. Jesus. Sorry anons, does it get better later on?
>>135424071
How's he the strongest without much magic?
Is it low-level magic that could be easily countered by a pistol?
>>135424083
What point? That a reality warper based on his mental state might have his powers be affected when he starts feeling doubt? Remember, Touma actually resisted his previous magic attack before Izzard resorted to physical type attacks. That doubt was already planted into his mind already. After that, Styl was making Izzard's physical attack miss afterward, which further unhinged him. No one else had probably managed to get as far as Touma did since Izzard probably just instant killed them all with his powers when they met.
>>135424177
There are no truly bad stereotypes and clichés.
There are stereotypes and clichés used in a bad or overused way.
Most can be made fun with the right writing.
>>135424313
I wrote:
>So you have to make the reality-warper an idiot or very, very careless
Basically you're repeating my point, with some detail.
>>135424139
It makes sense in-universe, which all that matters to the plot. After all, real life doesn't have magic or espers or SCIENCE! We really have no actual idea how people would react under the same circumstances.
>>135422811
Isn't that the system where the village idiot has the same say and power as someone who is well educated and hard working?
>>135423297
In Kenichi case, his growth was provoked by his masters. Kenichi was not a genius, his masters were. They made Kenichi basically a plaything and a project, to see if they could make a Normal Person stronger, and they did it, just to prove their point.
You can see that Kenichi was never strong enough to defeat even low level masters. And he could usually only defeat Top the class disciples after taking a beating from them, and going back crying to his masters, and they would devise a training to counter that specific disciple that was causing Kenichi and his group problems.
When Kenichi friends had the rare chance to train with one of his masters for some time, they would produce far better results and faster. Proving that they, were far more talented then Kenichi
>>135424437
> It makes sense in-universe, which all that matters to the plot
What? No, things can be completely logical and still be stupid plots.
>>135422285
I love how you people manage to blame otaku for literally everything.
It's like, what OP described is way more likely to occur in a shonen jump style battle manga or anime of some sort. Where the primary audience isn't otaku at all.
Not to mention that the trope OP described is something entirely in the hands of the writer(s).
But no, it's "because otaku". Yeah, okay.
>>135424497
That's the problem when using reality-warpers like Izzard or Gremmy:
No matter how you defeat them, it will feel to many as stupid or ass-pullish 8and in Gremmy's case it undeniably is, Izzard made at least sense).
>>135424417
You're going to have explain how memory wiping, instant suffocation and infinite expanding space, which all got negated and noticeably affected his mental state & powers, is considered careless. Because that's the thing with having reality warping powers based on your mental state, your powers will be affected when it inexplicablely not work.
>>135424546
Didn't Gremmy lose because Kenpachi was so strong he couldn't imagine him not winning or something stupid like that?
>>135424269
It gets THAT bad?
Jesus fucking bloody Christ in Heaven.
It would have been okay with really good writing, but from the parts I've seen, nope.
>>135424497
No it fucking can't, because we don't have actual reality waprers to compare his actions to. We can't compare because it's not fucking real. You can say blackholes in anime doesn't work that way because we have actual black holes to compare it to, but we don't have actual reality warpers to say 'that's stupid, that's not how reality warpers will act.'
>>135424603
Also Miyuki a shit.
>>135422285
>otakus
>mangakas
I am surprised you didn't say
>animes
The thing that I hate is a well-trained strong adult getting rekt on body combat by fucking skinny ass japanese students.
>>135424492
You miss one crucial point.
No one could have withstand the training Kenichi had.
>>135424619
>No it fucking can't
Okay, so if he'd seen a random cat and decided not to kill anyone because the cat triggered a memory of his childhood, that'd be good writing just because it made sense in universe?
I don't even care about Index one way or another, but don't make retarded claims about how only in-universe stuff matters for the quality of writing.
>>135424547
A simple solution would have worked better, that's how.
I'm not saying it's bad how he got defeated, I can't think of anything better, too.
>>135424269
>powerless
Is this before or after he singlehandedly nukes China?
>>135424642
What about LN/WN?
>>135424701
>WN
What about them?
>>135424592
It went like this:
"I am Gremmy, I can create life fom nothing and turn people into cookies and shit. Oh, there's Kenpachi, the super-powerful god of war. I will kill him with 10 guns. Oh, didn't work? Well, 20 guns. No? Well, vaccum. Oh, the super-powerful wargod doesn't die instantly? I CAST METEOR! Oh noes, he slashed the meteor, I forget about all the other shit I could do, I can't win, goodbye..."
>dies
Gremmy had a single-digit IQ.
>>135424748
Oh, yeah, he negated his own self or some shit by imagining the possibility of defeat.
>>135424619
Well, with Izzard we were shown what he could do, so it all came down to personal failures.
With most RWs it's similar.
>>135424680
How much more simplier than using his power and telling Touma to die? It's as simple as it gets and then Touma just simply IB it away. It's why Izzard was trying so hard to hide the fact his real power is his mind makes it real. Shit like resisting his powers will affect his powers. Once Styl had figured it out with Touma, he had been using his powers to erode Izzard's confidence instead of attacking him directly. Once you know his secret, Izzard isn't as powerful as he makes him out to be.
>>135424653
Exactly. That was his only remarkable point, his masters loved to shove that down his throat. His friends proved again and again, that when properly trained they didn't even need that much training.
Freya for example acquired a lot of Shigure's moves from just seeing her once, and asking her some questions later.
Where Kenichi only acquired things through sheer repetition and brute force training.
>>135424668
What the hell are you even talking about? I am specifically still talking about Izzard and his powers here.
>>135424817
Dropping something heavy on him, suddenly, so no time for reaction. Or good old floor collapsing.
Technicaly that's simpler, since less magical.
He didn't try, because he never needed to. He got careless by being nearly invincible. If he had kept his cool he might have won by thinking of something, or not, we won't know.
So, I'm not even saying anything against what you say.
>>135424781
Well, that certainly wasn't the bad part.
It was what came before.
>>135424642
>anime
plebs
>>135423071
Wasn't there that manga series where the MCs power was to secrete skincare lotion from his pores?
>>135424935
Izzard dropped a car on him, Touma IB it away. Because once Touma had IB the first time, whether you like it or not, in the back of your mind, you can't help but subconsciously think he'll just IB any of your other attacks away as well. That's the cripplingly horrifying power of doubt. Remember, there is a clear difference in thinking something is real versus saying something is real. You can say magic is real all you want in real life, but in your mind you know it actually doesn't.
>>135425036
>You can say magic is real all you want in real life, but in your mind you know it actually doesn't.
Meanwhile with every religion ever...
>>135425036
I meant the ceiling, because it's already above one and you don't have to warp it in, I should have said this, because you can't read my mind.
But why are we arguing?
I don't think we have a disagreement here.
>>135425077
We don't have perfect mind-reading devices so we really have no idea if they actually believed their own words or not. Not that it means much since Izzard only recently learned his Ars Magna magic and relied on acupuncture to focus his mind, meaningly, he really isn't in full control of his thoughts as he claimed to be. Like I said before, Izzard is weak shit once you figure out his real powers.
>>135423157
>>135423338
And then Shiage took him out by mere fists
>>135425030
Sounds like perfect plot for porn.
>>135425156
I don't think we do. I'm just arguing against multiple people here, everything gets muddled up after a while.
>>135424837
>Freya
>best girl
I like you man and I agree with you about the gap in talent between Kenichi and the others in appearance.
But the fact Kenichi can get through such a hellish training make him the one with the best potential of all characters.
As you said Freya acquired Shigure's moves quite easily compare to Kenichi but it's because she have an affinity with it, there is no way she could have learn moves from the others masters because it's not atttuned to her style while Kenichi can.
If it's not proving Kenichi have some great hidden talent.
>>135425179
>GUNS, my only weakness!
This should have been said by Touma at least ones, best after being shot into the leg.
>>135425179
As well as the US spec-ops, Kanzaki, double saint, anti-skill, random magician that kidnap Index to save his waifu, Tsuchimikado, five-overs, Othinus, Saint Maid, and so forth. Touma really hasn't been winning as much as people think he has.
>>135423472
>>135423513
>>135424269
Nothing pissed me off more than the "only can have feeling to Miyuki only" shit. Tell me there can be a second one, please.
>>135425323
Nope, he can only feel shit when she's involvedthey're also getting married in the new vol or some bullshit like that.
>>135425515
Haha, incest.
>>135425534
Onii-sama also got around the retard baby problem with the power of science.
>>135424269
It's a bloody comedy, no reason to get upset.
>>135425534
It's even funnier when you know they have the same voice actors from ore no imouto.
>>135425571
Well, that's only a problem if there are any genetic diseases present.
If there are none, there's no problem IRL (that's why most unfortunate incest babies are neither monsters nor disbled, but with every generation it gets worse).
>>135424644
When the skinny manlet can cast nukes how well you trained your body doesn't really matter.
>>135425601
>It's a bloody comedy
You should tell that to the author.
>>135422285
Only Saitama is good MC. Workout would overcome anything.
>>135425601
Appearently the author got upset when someone critisized him for the worldview he portrayed in the LN.
Not that I know much more.
>>135425515
>>135425534
>>135425571
>>135425606
More like forced incest.
That and China nuke, does the author intentionally forcing his mind on us or something?
So how shit is Mahouka?
All these comments made me curious.
>>135425709
It's MST3K worthy.
>>135425613
Inbreeding isn't exactly great though, look at European lines of royalty.
>>135425766
>but with every generation it gets worse
>>135425735
That bad? Shit man, all these comments talking about him blowing up China and other stuff aren't exagerating are they?
>>135424537
>I love how you people manage to blame otaku for literally everything.
They are the main consumers. Its only logical that they make MCs which they could relate to
>>135424537
Underrated post
>>135425788
I see what you mean now, I wasn't sure from your wording.
Incidentally, there are some intriguing arguments as to how incest could be moral. Historically speaking, marriage was a way of expanding one's tribe, but as that's become much more anachronistic by today's standards, that particular taboo is more cultural.
Furthermore, the biological disincentive can be circumvented with contraception, so protected sex with your siblings in a mutualistic setting could be moral?
>>135422228
>watch cartoons for schoolchildren
>be mad about things that schoolchildren like
>>135425862
>They
The only difference between you and the otaku is that you are not Japanese but a webb.
>>135425645
Well, I'm treating it as a comedy at least.
>>135425984
Then you're doing it right.
>>135422228
They want to make a power fantasy while still having an underdog for easy sympathy.
>>135425862
"Relateable main character" is prevalent in every medium possible.
>>135425938
This is an interesting topic, but this is not the right place to discuss it.
It will just devolve into /pol/-shit-flinging and turn the thread to utter shit (right now it's ok bashing).
Sorry, but I already went too far up there, I guess.
Also, I like the new captcha
>>135425862
They aren't the main consumers of shounen manga at all. You fucking retard.
>>135426055
Well, it's technically even in the name:
shounen
>>135425958
Watching anime doesnt make you a weeb,anon
>>135425840
>him blowing up China
Never watched so far, in which episode did this happen?
>>135426080
shounen means "boy", as in underage teenager.
>>135426055
they are tho
>MC is called perfectly average
>turns out to a bit above average
>everyone learns something
>light/pure or other beings that are generally considered to be good are evil
Why is this trope so popular?
>>135426109
Yes, exactly.
Mx0 was the only series that did the "weakest mc" right.
>>135426106
I think it only happend in the LN.
>>135426122
First, defying stereotypes.
Second, and japs have no christian culture, so making angels evil is like us making Eastern Dragons virgin-abducting monsters (not that we also have evil angels here).
Have seen it done well often enough, have seen the opposite done well often enough.
>>135426122
Perspective.
It reminds us that ideals one group views as totally holy and just may be absolutely heinous to a different group of people.
It's a very human trope.
Remember: Wars are always fought by two sides who genuinely believe they are doing the right thing.
>>135424689
after. 2-3 volumes after iirc.
honestly the nuking was less of my peeves because the execution was well done.
But other than that I just felt that the author was trying too hard to stroke oniisama's dick.
> muh onisama can jesus revive anyone but he receives 100x pain.
> does not show any pain as he is the usual cool onisama. no after effects either. muh reset body.
..at least make him receive some backlash for using absurd level powers.
>>135422228
Japan and their love for underdog plots.
>>135426214
Angels and god are legit horrifying in the old testament. Anything with human errors was put immediately into the trash like Lucifer.
>>135426214
>so making angels evil is like us making Eastern Dragons virgin-abducting monsters (not that we also have evil angels here).
Yeah but Lucifer tho
>>135426331
Wow, this power fantasy without any substance at it's finest.
What other ridiculous shit does jesus oni-sama do.
>>135426409
gets the babes?
>>135426356
Sure.
But our (mostly) culture goes God=Good, mercifull, nice. So seeing a complete opposite is unusual to us.
And we kinda forgot the weird angels in favor of fat babies or beautiful men with wings.
>>135426383
Elaborate.
Because he's supposed to be a fallen angel?
I didn't mean that, I meant portraying Heaven as a negative entity.
>>135426476
>goes (mostly)
In case anyone wonders about that sentence
>>135426502
oic, carry on then
>>135426331
>>135426409
Judge Dredd blows up the Soviet Union, but it wasn't cringeworthy, because the ridiculous over-the-top stuff is done in a satirical way, with eye winking and black humourand the authors were horrified when people congratulated them on showing what should be done IRL, Mega-City One became much more dystopic and terrible after that.
It can be done.
And it had bad long-term consequences.
>>135426456
Besides the obvious (though that's still ridiculous when he displays the personality of cardboard and these girls STILL fall for him but whatevs)
>>135426608
Ok, but what consequences befell Jesus oni-sama?(I didn't read the LN so curious)
>>135426701
I think none.
>>135425030
And
>>135425030
And it got cancelled fast. The ending was a wreck.
>>135426725
Then that is fucking retarded, are seriously telling me that people never found out it was him and the people that do know don't think any less of him? Did he feel anything when he nuked millions of people atleast?The answer is no isn't it...
>Itto Shura
D R O P P E D
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>>135422778
Flattering costumers is the easiest way to sell.
You're not a failure! You're just a misunderstood genius that happens to be a little too lazy, worry not you have potential! But think about it tomorrow and meanwhile buy the latest BD of "generic MC and his harem".
>>135426409
to be fair, I actually admire the author for building up a legit world, system, magic logic. If you read the LN you can see that he doesn't do it half assed. Each spell has its own mechanic, detailed to the action.
My only concern is that onisama is simply too favored by the author, to the point where the world common sense can be and have already overturned by onisama and those around him.
To draw a parallel, I strongly dislike how adults of Infinite Stratos just becomes fodder for the MC and his harem just to show their superiority. These people that have trained for years are overshadowed by a bunch of high schoolers..
To contrast, I'll just say a protag like naofumi / shield bro is much preferable than onisama. Weak, yet grows to be strong. This power was granted step by step, giving us time to appreciate it. The protag guy from Oh My Useless Goddess is also a favorite of mine. I highly recommend to read it.
That said, if the author has actually given more detail or backstory on HOW onisama got that Jesus power.. ( eg : sacrificing miyuki ) I might be able to accept it. Again comes to my point where onisama simply gets a lot of favor from author-san without proper consequences that comes from it.
>>135425209
Wasn't it the words of someone that his only talent was taking a beating?
>>135427120
I agree with you that the world, magic and the things with in it have been well developed, I just think that the MC is too ridicullosly powerfulwith godamm reason besides "scientist did experiments and shit on his brain and in exchange for feeling nothing and has a result he's OP and can recreate the fucking big-bang" bullshit.
The really worst thing about anime is actually this:
>loose textbook facts and inadequate researched mother science is used for all kind of explanations, execution is completely disregarded since theory alone allows for flawless practical use all the time
>>135423993
Izzard made Accelerator look like some weak shit desu. Wasn't even impressed after that.
>>135427464
>anime
More like pulp fiction in general.
>>135422228
>MC is called weakest
>he really is but is just incredibly lucky
>>135427464
That's common in all forms of fiction desu.
>>135426114
>lower than average MC
>trains a bit more
>doesn't win all the time
>above average MC
>lets the actual powerhouses do the work
You don't have to be the best as a MC
>>135422268
Thread should have ended here.
>>135422285
This post should not exist.
>>135427548
>>135427585
Subtlety is something foreign to anime. Giving tons of explanation and commentary where there is actually no time to do that and in situations where it's completely inappropriate is highly unique for anime and in related japanese fiction. Anime characters also always need to voice out their thoughts instead of thinking them.
Nothing in fiction is close to anime in that regard, nothing.
>>135427585
>desu
Fuck off.
>>135427816
>Anime characters also always need to voice out their thoughts instead of thinking them.
Because if the character doesn't say it the audience won't know about it.
>MC is objectively the weakest
>trains for a few days
>almost on level with people who trained their entire lives
>>135427960
There are lots of ways to convey thoughts outside of speaking them out unnaturally.
>>135427985
>MC objectivley the strongest
>neglects training for a few days
>now on Yamcha-level
>>135427959
Baka desu, senpai.
Baka desu.
>>135427985
>MC goes the super risky way that only one of 7 gorillion can survive to explain his extreme power up
>>135428035
You'd still run into the issue of characters thinking things that would take too much time to convey leading to a disjointed scene were a lot less time passes in story than it took to complete the scene. And it would happen a lot, because you're narrating several characters thoughts.
It's flows better to have characters voice their thoughts in 'real time' rather than constantly pausing and slowing down the scene to keep up.
>>135428108
Has there ever been an anime that did this and had a bunch of his companions die trying to accomplish it with him? That I could actually take.
>>135428035
It's probably because modern animu has it's origin in translating comics 1:1 into animation.
In western comics you also have characters thinking and explaining things over whole pages that took a second or so within the story (like Batman falling from a building, has a monologue until he ropes some roof).
>>135428108
>>MC goes the super risky way that only one of 7 gorillion can survive to explain his extreme power, right AT THE BEGINNING
>is MC because he's one in 7 gorillion
That's ok.
>>135428111
It's the easy way out for untalented writers and nothing more. It's also not like compex feelings get voiced. The most common case is just stating the obvious.
>>135426794
It's LN. Only manga ended.
>>135428220
Just plot armor is not enough for a satisfying explanation.
>>135427985
>bone of my sword.exe
>>135428431
Well, arguably it's the difference between
>manages that nearly impossible thing because he's MC
>is MC because he managed that nearly impossible thing
>>135423338
Accel should have been defeated in the first punch, it was his first time feeling pain and all, Misaka wouldnt kill someone for a silly fight, most of Touma's fights arent won by him alone aniway, its usually people helping him in some way. Also precog and dragon's.
>>135428431
It's not really plot armor if he survives at the beginning. Like, if you show fifty people at the start of the first episode attempting a powerboost to get selected for the quest, and only one of them survives, and he's the MC, I can swallow that a lot more easily than if he's the MC for six episodes and then just happens to survive that method.
>>135428514
Even if it's the premise of the story it needs to be believable. Surviving some impossible shit needs to be explained properly. You can tell me that Average McFaggotson was the only one of 7 trillion to survive the mighty test but you better have some damn good reasons.
>>135428659
Yes, obviously he has to seem decently qualified to pass whatever it is. I'm assuming that all the people trying seem decently qualified or that it's some nebulous shit like fighting your inner demons.
Why cant faggots just make a story
>MC is called the strongest
>secretly he is the weakest or just an average fighter and has been bluffing his way into victory everytime or cheating
>the series is about how the MC finds a way to win against his opponent by not fightning but either by bluffing or some form of cheating
>he has to study his opponents and find ways to win by knowing what he shouldnt
People would watch something like this just because its not generic as fuck.
>>135428659
>>135428840
Yeah,most of the time it just comes down to "being good enough".
Which is ok.
>>135428853
So Batman?
>>135428853
This is basically just a gambling manga but with big fighting guys instead of gamblers.
>>135428840
I was thinking about harem MCs managing impossible shit just because they show some balls for a few seconds.
>>135428853
That's called Mx0
>>135428896
That's a different thing, though. Random friendship power-ups and the like don't make sense no matter when they show up.
>>135428853
Mx0, huh.
>>135428853
This shit is pretty common. It's often used in gag manga.
>>135428853
They tried that and no one read it, so they stopped trying it.
>characters with amazing skills
>they're poor
>bonus points if they don't want to be poor
>>135429063
How many characters have you seen who actively want to be poor?
![[HorribleSubs] Taimadou Gakuen 35 Shiken Shoutai - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_07.32_[2015.11.20_19.16.41].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/T02Lzwj.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Taimadou Gakuen 35 Shiken Shoutai - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_07.32_[2015.11.20_19.16.41].jpg")
>Character really is the weakest because he's a retard whose only use is in close combat im a setting where guns are prevalent
>Only becomes considerably powerful after he gets magic sword armor loli
>"That technique will shorten your lifespan!" actually physically affects him to a point
>Every major fight ends up with him in the hospital because he fights opponents that clearly surpass him
I liked him
The voice helped too
>>135423115
>Iris Zero
Next chapter never.
>>135425949
Rakudai is for otaku
>>135429075
I meant it more like they actively try to make money but fail for some reason which is just nonsense.
>>135429180
Rakudai is for no one, looking at those sales numbers.
>>135429063
>Character is poor
>Something happens, and they become wealthy
>By the time the episode ends, they are just as poor as they were the previous episode, no character development happens, the entire event is forgotten the next episode.
I fucking hate this shit. Is it too much to ask that when 'that' episode happens they actually stay rich and/or they have some actual character development? Without the plot revolving around them getting rich. They just happened to get lucky and rich, now back to the main plot but now there is the advantage of having money at your disposal. NO ONE EVER EXPLORES THIS FUCKING CONCEPT. THEY ARE ALWAYS EITHER RICH FROM THE BEGINNING OR BECOME POOR AGAIN BY THE END OF THE EPISODE. FUCK.
I get pissed every time that fucking episode happens.
>>135424537
found the otaku
>>135429235
Isn't this usually a comedy/filler episode thing?
>>135428108
>he fails horribly
Is there ever a series that does this?
>>135429157
He's literally dying right now in the books because hey, overclocking your brain while human is a bad fucking thing.
>>135429235
>any kind of character development
>it's just some gag or gimmick that ends after the episode
It's like they want to torture the audience.
>>135429280
Not unless it's a fakeout at the beginning, I'd assume. Killing your til-then protagonist anticlimactically just to subvert a cliche is a terrible idea.
>>135429306
I know, I love it
I hope he stays a live.
>Wakes up in complete agony and perceives everything in slow motion
>Seconds feels like days
>>135429280
>he fails horribly but gains some edgy power up instead
>>135428904
>>135428922
Hey, dont remember me about that.
>>135429276
Yeah, but that doesn't excuse it. What's the point if you're just going to play it out exactly how it's always played out.
>>135429313
It's why I can't stand western cartoons. Way too many of them are episodic with no plot or character development to speak of.
Try to create a non-generic plot in a battle magic highschool.
>>135423023
>>135423060
>punching a lot
>power levels
What is dragon ball z?
>>135429409hardmode: Make it a harem
>>135429075Beansprouts
>>135429385
> What's the point if you're just going to play it out exactly how it's always played out.
Because some people enjoy it. The same reason anyone uses cliches or stock characters or plays to genre conventions.
>>135429445
>>135429409
AMA's plot is doing pretty well for itself with actual plot and all.
>>135429235
A lot of Kaijifags around here.
>>135424277
Because he maxed STR and DEX
>>135429409
The main cast aren't the ones attending the high school, it's the supervisors.
The school is actually a supernatural research facility.
They are trying to figure out why it's always teenagers that gain ridiculous world ending and saving powers, why that when the teenagers grow up the powers suddenly are scaled down/go away.
>>135429514
There's a whole thing about how Kaiji doesn't know how to call it quits, though. He'll always wind up poor because he's a gambling maniac.
>>135429280
There should be a series that makes the MC fail the 1 in a gorillian chance, but instead the side character succeds, the mc doesnt need to die, just not be the chosen one, would be nice just for shits and giggles.
>>135429409
It's Evangelion but with magic constructs that amplify psychic powers.
>>135429546
fund this.
>why the fuck is this black haired student always spouting friendship while he battles?
>>135429546
>the series ends as the main cast are sent to jail by generic harem mc student
>>135424177
>MC is the weakest
>Uses skills and intellect
>Rekt everyone
>>135429546
So Charlotte from the standpoint of evil scientists?
>>135429409
>>135429445
In a world where females are dominating in the field of battle magic and the most powerful battle magic warriors are all female and males in those field are generally looked down on there exists a skillful MC with a burning hate for women who is slowly dominating the best school with the best warriors in the country and he is not afraid to violently punch women into their faces and humilate them horribly. His life changed when he beat the powerful smug loli chairman, as she fell in love with him after he punched her teeth out of her face and pulled her trough the dirt.
>>135427636
>Butthurt his post wasn't replied too in an on topic thread
>Makes another post agreeing himself
>Gets butthurt some more about a post that he doesn't agree with
THIS is Cancer.
>>135429721
>Uses weakness of enemy.
>>135429235
>What is a shaggy dog story
It's a way for a character to begin developing, not a development in and of itself. What's more important is the moral lesson the character or audience takes away from it.
>>135429280
>series start with super powerful MC
>does complex ritual
>mistakes were made
>fucks him up royally
>can't do any of his old shit now
>got some weird but fairly weak ability instead
Never ever
>>135429908
Make him start beautiful and after ritual disfigured and i'm set.
>god tier animation
>shit everything else
I'm talking to you, garden of words.
>>135429944
>he is so disfigured the other mages mistake him for an imp or demon
>starts to work as a part timer for devils
>>135429409
Anime: First episode or two establishes the protagonist as your typical heroic MC, average but SECRETLY THE STRONGEST. Some bullshit power of the katana or some shit.
He and his early harem/frinds get put intoa battle against some delinquent/miscreants that other people are scared of because of their attitude. Said students are at the bottom of the school listings because they have the lowest test scores.
>Tests score their ability to use powers in most situations
>said delinquent group has low ranks in every test subject
Turns out, that when MC-kun fights them, they get wrecked after a scuffle with their weakest. No matter what they did to him, he wouldn't go down.He is an immortal who can outheal any damage and won through attrition. The rest of his team is also similarly specialized not for what the school teaches, but for suicide or dangerous field work.True plot follows the character in the next episode who has a power like them. This is the story of the Broken Dorm's daily life. Welcome to Hell
>MC is called legendary
>almost no one knows his real name
>>135424537
>It's like, what OP described is way more likely to occur in a shonen jump style battle manga or anime of some sort. Where the primary audience isn't otaku at all.
Except it's just as prominent in "harem magical academies" which otaku do indeed consume.
Also in most shounen power increases linearly.
>>135430206
Harem magical academy stuff is weird because even though it has a huge otaku demographic, it is meant to be sold to horny teens.
>>135430200
Do you know Caesars real name?
I didn't think so.
>>135430337
Gaius
