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Does /a/ like strategic main characters?
>>135130625
No, he was an annoying piece of shit and I somehow liked him less than the actual MC.
>>135130625
he was a better written character than Rey (3D)
he got shit done, but he was aware of his weaknesses and used all the help he could get
hard past and something to live for
although when she died he ultimately had nothing to live for, so he should've sudoku'd desu
>>135130670
How can someone have such shit taste?
>>135130681
Jesus fuck you're a dumbass.
>>135130705
"He has super smarts and can predict your every move, so he wins" stopped seeming cool when I turned sixteen.
>>135130752
>>135130755
hello /v/
>>135130755
Your talking as if he didn't flop at times m8.
>>135130775
You're going to need to explain your buzzwords if not liking Valvrave's shitty writing somehow makes me /v/.
>>135130810
you are going to have to make some proper replies first
>>135130803
For the first cour he almost didn't. It got less stupid later on, but I'm really not a fan of his type of character.
I want to pound his boypussy
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>One man army character in recent anime
People hate him for being a Gary Stu
>One man army character in "classic" anime
Everyone loves them
Explain this shit
>>135131351
One of them was empowered by a glorified old man.
The other was empowered by plot.
>>135131351
Chirico has an in universe explanation for his plot armor he also fucjs up from time to time and needs saving from others, L-Elf suffers from writer bias so he's able to get away with shit just because and it takes the final boss himself to take him down a peg.
>>135132029
What about that time L-Elf was shot by a random grunt almost dying on Earth? Also if being born a superhuman is a valid in universe explanation, I think being trained by the final boss since he was young is a decent explanation for L-Elf's abilities.
>>135130625
When they're well written. Pic unrelated.
>>135132029
>Chirico has an in universe explanation for his plot armor
No, not really.
Yes, L-Elf was the only good thing of VVV. He and the openings.
>>135132342
Yeah, Wiseman and his schemes don't exist.
Nope.
Not at all.
>>135132362
>Yes, L-Elf was the only good thing of VVV.
Not even close
>>135132160
>What about that time L-Elf was shot by a random grunt almost dying on Earth?
.....after he took out an entire battlion of grunts in a castle by himself?
> Also if being born a superhuman is a valid in universe explanation, I think being trained by the final boss since he was young is a decent explanation for L-Elf's abilities.
No its not also Chirico wasn't born a superhuman he was chosen by a computer to become an Overman, so the explanation for L-Elf is that he had a really goid trainer for some reason? Yeah...that's as good as Kirito just being really good at playing videogames.
>>135130625
Yes
>>135130625
Only when they're like Shiroe and aren't completely detached from others. It's refreshing.
>>135130625
Yep.
>>135132536
Right, I forgot A-drei and Satomi.
>>135132160
>L-Elf takes out a castle full of grunts
>B-b-b-b-but he got shot by one!
When you have to scrape that far down the barrel then you've proven his point also how about you actually watch VOTOMS, Chirico's feats is less of his iwn and moreso a computer guiding him through when he goes up against actually superhumans he gets his ass kicked.
No its not especially when we don't even see his regime.
>>135132622
>so the explanation for L-Elf is that he had a really goid trainer for some reason?
He was trained in a killing camp that brainwashed you into a super soldier. He was the only one chosen by a centuries years old alien to receive personal training as his next body.
He had better reason than Chirico.
>>135132787
Who?
>>135132622
Did you even watch and read Valvrave? L-Elf was trained since he was 6-7 as a super soldier in Karlstein like the rest of his companions, but he was handpicked to received Cain's personal training because Cain needed to replace his body eventually as a Magius.
>>135132849
>He was trained in a killing camp that brainwashed you into a super soldier.
So were several others and none of them pulled off anything remotely impressive. And we never actually see it either so your point is thrown out the window.
What's more to it? A computer changed the sequence of events so that Chirico would survive his encounters which is better than I'M JUST BETTER THAN YOU AT EVERYTHING JUST BECAUSE
>>135132915
See
>>135132788
WE NEVER SAW WHAT CAIN DID TO L-ELF THAT WAS SO SPECIAL
INFACT WE NEVER SEE ANYTHING FROM CAIN THAT MAKES HIM SO SPECIAL.
>>135132849
>>135132915
>H-h-h-h-he was trained
You've known you hit rock bottom when you're defending VVV's writing.
>>135132960
>So were several others and none of them pulled off anything remotely impressive.
Did you conveniently miss that the one who got private lessons from Cain was L-Elf? He was even using Cain's ways to do things, that's why Cain could kick his ass first.
Are you being dumb on purpose? He was taught how to react to different situations from someone with hundreds, if not thousands of years of experience of what he does.
And at times he could be read and outsmarted by A-drei.
>shitrico
>better than L-Elf
At least L-Elf had a personality.
>>135133052
>Did you conveniently miss that the one who got private lessons from Cain was L-Elf?
Are you illiterate or are you not reading his posts?
L11 was a realistic take to a peace princess. He singlehandily btfo and created peace and coexistence in an entire galaxy for 200 years with the Empire he funded.
>>135133113
There's a CD drama about this. X-eins shows jealousy because Cain never trained him and chose to do stuff with L-Elf. Not my fault you're ignorant.
>>135130625
Of course.
Even in extreme gary-stu levels.
Stu> Whiny loser.
>>135133052
>He was even using Cain's ways to do things
What is Cain's ways of doing things? He's never given any fucking focus throughout the whole damn show.
>Are you being dumb on purpose? He was taught how to react to different situations from someone with hundreds, if not thousands of years of experience of what he does.
You're talking out your ass, his regime is never detailed nor explained so it really is JUST BECAUSE
>And at times he could be read and outsmarted by A-drei.
And this isn't true at all.
>>135133160
>CD drama
So it wasn't in the anime. Thanks for proving my point.
>arguing over a side character from Guilty Crown: TWILIGHT EDITION
>>135133160
The CD doesn't explained the regime in fact its not even about that.
>>135133195
>And this isn't true at all.
No, another anon here, A-drei would have had the upperhand when the fell to Dorssia if it wasn't for Saki. He also figured out L-Elf infiltrated in the last episodes.
>>135133177
>>135133079
Here's your reply
>>135133272
>A-drei would have had the upperhand when the fell to Dorssia if it wasn't for Saki.
.....which has nothing to do with L-Elf.
>>135133268
It explains that, for instance, Cain is the one who completely destroyed L-Elf's inhibitions to open fire which gave him the edge over his companions. He also taught him how to fight hand to hand, how to dismantle bombs and build them, and how to pick up espionage net (which is how he discovers F-6). Those were just examples of what he does.
And L-Elf in the show keeps repeating "Things that Cain taught me."
>>135133272
The first part had nothing to do with L-Elf and the second has nothing to do with being smart given it took him until the very fucking end of the show to realize it.
How much of a fucking loser do you have to be to memorize VVV?
>>135130625
Like these two?
i sure do.
>inb4 3dcg hate
>>135133335
Nice fanfiction you got there also >>135133228 you still lose again.
>>135133408
CD drama came as a buddle with a BD, if you didn't buy it, well you are a retard.
>>135133335
>And L-Elf in the show keeps repeating "Things that Cain taught me."
>We're never shown any of this
Okay.
>>135133160
>VVV CD drama
Why would you listen to this?
Yes, specially L-Elf. He was these kind of characters done right. Shame he was overshadowed by Haruto being a whiny faggot.
>>135132622
>>135132788
>>135132960
I don't remember the plot too well, but I thought the point was for Chirico to reach Wiseman using his own Overman strength to prove he was worthy of becoming God.
>>135133438
>CD drama came as a buddle with a BD,
....that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't in the anime also CD Dramas are just extra trinkets that don't mean anything.
>>135133461
He's retarded. What do you expect?
>>135133472
You can stop samefagging now.
The best thing of VVV was that the MUH JAPENESE heroic pilots were completely out of their depths vs child soldiers like L-Elf and even children like that kid Saki possessed. It was great how Q-vier killed Thunder and how he was going to kill Saki if wasn't for A-drei.
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>>135133510
>Official canon material doesn't mean anything.
>>135133510
>CD Dramas are just extra trinkets that don't mean anything.
The ones in VVV are explicitly advertsized as extra episodes and behind the scenes like what happens after Satomi loses the election and what happened 6 months later from the show, written by the scriptwriters of the show. It's not just high school fluff.
>>135133506
Chirico needed to fool wiseman so he pretended to be evil and do his bidding to get close enough to destroy the system, Wisrmsn even gave him his own personal scopedog to get the job done.
>>135133537
>Harutofag detected
>>135133590
>Official canon material
>not animated
Okay
>>135133590
Not him, but if something's in the source material and not the anime, you can't use that to defend the anime, and it should be the same for these supplementary CDs.
>>135133618
>excusing that shit
>>135133381
No hate for the medium, I just want the sub with orbital hypertelorism to stop bullying starfish.
Also I want to attack Iori's aft. Engineer girls are good at making erections.
>>135133656
Says who? You?
>>135133590
You do realize that Sunrise do not consider what is not animated to be canon right? Drama CDs have never been canon or else how would you explain Shirely coming back to life and dying again and Suzaku summoning a genie voiced by Wakamoto?
>>135133461
Have it on in the background for a mild chuckle each time someone screams ERUERUHUEEEHH or something.
>>135133712
You do realize that Valvrave is a multimedia project with canon novels and manga, right?
You do realize its possible to make both canon and non-canon supplementary material, right?
>>135133603
>The ones in VVV are explicitly advertsized as extra episodes
No they're not or else why would there be one about the girls checking each other out in the showers? That doesn't seem important at all.
>>135133712
You realized that Sunrise advertized these cd dramas as official and canon. How can you compare a crack shit like Suzaku summoning a genie to Satomi's interlude after the elections. Are you a fucking idiot?
>>135133706
Says basically everyone I've talked to. I've never seen anyone successfully use "it's in the manga/VN/LN!" as a defense of the anime. Even in Fate threads with their read-the-VN mentality, it's usually used as an attack on the anime for not including the important shit from the source.
>>135133788
>You realized that Sunrise advertized these cd dramas as official and canon.
They didn't you lying faggot.
>>135133776
>You do realize that Valvrave is a multimedia project with canon novels and manga, right?
Neither of which are canon to one another, that's no different from any other multimedia project and the Drama CDs ain't canon
>>135133837
They did. Check out the VVV twitter and their website, you fucking retard.
>>135133788
>How can you compare a crack shit like Suzaku summoning a genie to Satomi's interlude after the elections.
They show how full of shit you are.
>>135133856
There's nothing that states its canon on those site, why would an advert even care about shit like that? Its just useless extras.
>>135133788
Suzaku summoning a genie made more sense than a lot of Valvrave, so I don't know how good of a comparison that is.
>>135133906
Oh I see now this is a Valvrager thread good show lad I thought you were serious all this time
>>135130625
Not of if they are OP like L-Elf.
Or these guys:
>>135132307
>>135132739
>>135133970
>V-v-v-v-valvrager!
Doesn't work like that buddy.
Stop replying to Valvrager and post L-Elf.
>>135133970
I'm not even the guy you're arguing with, I'm just making snide comments. Be a bit less defensive.
>>135134068
Will Shiro the Wise return?
>>135133697
arpeggio is still probably one of the best full CGI shows, it was one of the first example that made me think that not all CGI needed to be shit.
I wonder if there will be any new animated content after the film
Best.
>>135132739
>YOUR THE BEST
>AROUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNND
Could Tensai be considered a strategist? Or just asmug?
Hell fucking yeah, L-Elf was glorious.
More characters like L-Elf and everything would be more enjoyable, He would play the martyr the catalyst all in one character.
>>135133697
>>135134917
The World of Warships event starts next month.
I prefer pre-bear Haruna's Stern.
Eru-Erufu save anime.
