>b..b.but goku's guard was down! He was taken by surprise!
>>134885277
Don't bother. Toriyama apologists are the biggest shiteaters on the planet.
>>134885277
???
It's very clearly implied that the laser was specially created in that ring to be able to take down Goku.
>>134885834
>laser was specially created
Oh so we've come to this.
>>134885277
>He thinks Cell wasn't paying attention
He's perfect you know?
Made no sense thst goku got owned by a laser, but could easily be argued here that cell was well aware of krillin and just didn't care
>>134885277
maybe krillin should have used a laser gun then.
>>134885922
do you really think freiza would come unprepared?
obviously they brought special laser that is like kryptonite to saiyans
>comparing a perfect lifeform to a child brained monkey
>>134886070
Why didn't he just equip all of his hencemen with saiyan killing lasers then? Or his ship?
>>134885277
But Cell knew Krillin was there with the androids. He saw him before he absorbed 18 and was aware of his presence. He just didn't fucking care because Krillin was a small fry and he had more trouble dealing with Trunks and Vegeta before that.
>>134885277
Cell never lowered his "ki" guard. Vegeta specifically talks about this on Namek when he asks Krillin to shoot him.
>>134886268
This is what its come down to. Toeiyama fags arbitrarily deciding when defense is off whenever it suits them.
>>134886474
I know you're baiting, but whis even says Goku lowers his ki guard when he gets relaxed.
There's no reason to assume Cell wouldn't have it up.
You don't have to accept it, I'm not Toriyama.
>>134886474
>being this stupid
Why would Cell lower his Ki and just stand there when confronted by Trunks,Vegeta and Krillin all in peak condition ready to kill him.
>>134886474
Well when you think about it Frieza was the only person experienced in killing Saiyans, he has the technology
What part of perfect don't you understand?
>>134886704
>confronted by Trunks,Vegeta and Krillin all in peak condition ready to kill him
Yeah, but let me stretch my fingers first and look at my hands.
>they can invent a rejuv tank that will literally bring back the dead in no time
>but they could never invent a later strong enough to hit an unaware goku!!!
Lol
Stop thinking so hard about Dragonball. It's a story about the characters, not the finer plot details.
If you try to analyze power level shit with a scalpel it gets retarded. Why could Tao survive a Kamehameha but a human grenade kills him?
>>134886869
Freeza did that too when Vegeta shot him.
He's just being a dick.
>>134886930
a grenade didn't kill him
>>134886117
>perfect lifeform that would get his ass handed by any of Freeza's mooks
Freeza is more of a perfect being than he will ever be
>>134886949
He was rebuilt as a cyborg, but the facts remain.
A human grenade wiped Tao out, while he could previously tank a Kamehameha no problem.
Stop thinking so hard about Dragonball.
>>134886930
They should create a laser strong enough to beat Beerus.
>>134887122
In 4 months they created a laser that kill trained Goku, in one year they make a laser that kill Berus, easy.
>>134887122
When Jackie Chun blew up the moon, it was time to stop thinking do hard about Dragonball. It's a story about the characters. It isn't The Prestige.
>>134886704
Why would Goku stand in front of Frieza and lower his ki
>>134887230
We get it, anon.
>>134887122
>>134887222
Defend these implications, torifags. Villains like cell and God's could be killed with a well placed sniper.
>>134887276
Because it was a character flaw clearly stated by Whis at the beginning of the arc.
>>134887276
Because he's stupid. He did the exact same thing when fighting Piccolo Jr.
>>134887324
Good luck getting Beerus to ever let his guard down. He kicked vegeta and gokus ass literally while sleeping.
>>134887276
Because Frieza was losing power by the second and speed based on his fight with Vegeta. Also this >>134887329
>>134887324
I don't think Torifags ever had any defense against Freeza's power gap when he was just ressurected and trained for a few months and is already on the level of the strongest beings in existence.
>>134887376
If Whis can kick his ass, a laser can as well.
>>134887407
He's not even close, he was much weaker than goku and Vegeta who are barely half of Beerus, much less than Whis, then you add in Champa and Vados and Nipplegod and the tourney fighters and Frieza doesn't even break the top 10 of strongest beings
>>134887416
It might. Thankfully well never know because shit like Jackie Chun blowing up the moon happens and you just have to deal with it
>>134887467
>much weaker than Goku
what?
being in the tourney doesn't mean shit as well, Buu and Picollo are there and they are shit.
>>134887407
Nice bait but the movie already explained that.
>>134887467
>He's not even close, he was much weaker than goku and Vegeta
Nah he was stronger than Goku for a while then he started losing power.
>>134887407
>Goku trains for 7 days and reaches 150 million because he hair turns gold
>No one bats an eyelash
>Freeza trains for 4 months and all of a sudden everyone loses their shit
You have no ship to sail on. Dragonball has always been this way.
>>134887324
They can be killed with ki, not with a blaster. Once again, Vegeta explains this in Namek.
>>134887505
We get it, sir. Geez.
>>134887589
M'lady
>>134887565
>not with a blaster
Could've fooled me.
>>134887662
I meant a bullet
>>134887565
>They can be killed with ki, not with a blaster. Once again, Vegeta explains this in Namek.
Missed the point. Ring sniper confirmed for godkiller. The universe is saves.
>>134887662
Frieza looked at Sorbet beforehand and motioned, which means he clearly knew about the ring. It's not unreasonable that he put his Ki into that ring shot beforehand
Don't you think it was weird that Frieza killed all his henchmen beforehand, except he spared Sorbet? Clearly, he knew about the thing
>this much outrage about a minor plot detail
DB has so many other examples of janky plot details but THIS is the one you get enraged over? Apex kek
>>134885277
>Cell
>someone with Frieza's cells
>Frieza
>so strong that he can survive Namek exploding while bisected and no Ki
>>134887760
Imagine if it were Beerus's ki in that ring. Goku would be dead.
>>134885277
no the problem is that everyone is treating a fucking laser like a toy gun
>>134887276
Frieza had his ass beat hard. If you were in a boxing match and the opponent is collapsed long enough for the referee to finish counting and the crowd cheers, what would you do? Expect someone to snipe you from outside the rink?
>>134887892
It would have done the same thing: pierce him clean through. I'm not sure how more power would have helped.
Nothing a senzu bean can't fix :^)
>>134887276
Because it was needed for the plot.
>>134887760
Frieza should've mass produced that ki-infused ring.
>>134887952
That's a terrible analogy
>>134888094
Not really.
>>134888069
Considering that the only one known to exist is being used by the former supreme commander of Frieza's army, it's probably some crazy ass prototype superweapon that's years if not decades away from being ready for widespread use.
>>134888176
Only 4 months if it's developed by some genius scientist who never invented anything beforehand.
>>134888176
Tori-fags on suicide watch.
>>134887276
because it's goku, he's a retard
whis and frieza both called him out on it
>>134886840
Maybe he should have tried that disc of death thing
>>134887276
>>Needing ki to defend himself.
And people still have the cojones to say he can beat Superman.
>>134885277
Cell let his guard up at all times while goku is a relax idiot who let his guard down most of the time.
>>134886070
>kryptonite
>saiyans
Despite being a Superman ripoff, Goku is not actually Superman.
>>134889897
>>134889931
Post the one with Goku trying to save Gohan.
>>134887276
Dragon Ball has always had bad writing, so chalk up Krillin hurting Cell to that too.
It's a poorly written series, there's not much to discuss about that. Fuck Toriyama doesn't care himself. It's still fun to some people though, but if you want to compare it's writing to other works 9/10 it's gonna be the inferior product.
It's a mindless punch fest adventure.
>>134888508
Krillin has never hit anybody with that.
>>134889931
>goku laser 27
Jesus.
>>134887276
It's a character flaw.
Shit, Goku was hanging around the Ginyu Force with a Power Level of 5,000 and only started taking shit seriously once Ginyu arrived.
If any of them had managed to land a good hit, he'd have been a goner.
>>134885969
>Killed by Yamcha 2.0
>Perfect
10/10 made me kek
>>134885277
>b-b-but vegeta guard was down! He was taken by surprise!
>>134885277
Even with his guard down (which I doubt he had), Cell could safely handle all Krillin could give. It's fucking Krillin, man.
>>134890761
Also, Vegeta wasn't even that much stronger than Yajirobe compared to how fucking stronger Cell was compared to Krillin.
With how much people shat on GT and defend every piece of shit Super tosses out, I'm wondering what people really hated about GT in the first place.
Why does GT's random fucknuggets got better design than Super's? Jesus Christ.
>The entire Namik saga is about how Scouters are useless and how the power of a truly great warrior will be constantly in flux.
>Vegeta specifically throws his away and taunts Freeza's warriors for relying on them.
>Secondaries still obsess over power levels.
Power levels literally exist in order for people to be surprised when they turn out to not accurately predict the outcome of a fight. They are a tool to artificially increase drama and demonstrate that the villains rely too much on raw strength when real power comes from within or whatever.
Dragonball is and has always been a children's manga drawn by a comedy artist. It has also always had themes about how appearances are deceiving when it comes to strength.
>>134890761
SUPERIOR
JAPANESE
STEEL
guys its just a really strong laser duh
>>134890761
That is because the traditional japanese katana is the most superior weapon on earth and the steel is folded over a thousand times.
>>134889995
>>134888658
But anon, Superman struggles against steel foam.
>>134889704
>not Sun Wu Kong
>>134886840
The part where he died
>>134885277
Anime Filler
The laser won't look that stupid in the anime guys.
>>134890761
Because the tail has always been stated to be a Saiyans weak point, even when trained.
>>134888094
>t-thats a t-terrible analogy!!
It really isn't lmao
Whats your one?
>>134892162
so is the chest area it seens
cause he cut him again
what would explain the laser to the chest
>>134892046
He died perfectly.
>>134892424
Ki
>>134887952
>>134888116
I would expect the fighting genius, god-like Goku to have the reaction time to at least dodge the fuckin lazer.
>>134892578
>I expect someone to expect something that they can't expect
Repeat that again.
If cell had frieza'so cells in him, what would have happened if he trained for several months?
>>134892765
He would have become perfect
>>134885277
nigga cell was testing his new power, his guard wasn't down
also have you ever gotten hit by something when not expecting it? it hurts a fuck ton more than when you see it coming
>>134892765
he would get realy strong
I mean the Toriyama cocksuckers are really scraping at the bottom of the barrel here. Sad to see them saying stupid shit like "they had special guns for Goku". So lame, so stupid and so pathetic.
>>134892765
>Cell craps out 5 Cell Jrs
>all are pure perfection
>SSJG Cell
>All abuse Zenkai and train for 4 months
>SSGSS Golden Cell + 5 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs
>Namekian DNA
>SSGSS Golden Cell after fusing with 5 SSGSS Golden Cell Jrs
>>134892922
if he has namekian blood he can become a GIANT SSGSS Golden Cell
>>134885277
>expecting consistency from dragonball
DBZfags will tell you otherwise thop
>>134890873
>haha it's krillin meme
No. It's been shown numerous times that catching someone off guard in the series can have quite the impact, despite gaps in power.
Examples:
>Krillin beating Nappa in hand to hand combat
>Piccolo kicking Freeza into the sunset
>Gohan and Krillin making Freeza flinch from small ki blasts
>Gohan's arm being rendered useless when he dove for Vegeta
>>134888508
He did in the anime.
https://youtu.be/9LkB8m2GKmg?t=1m18s
>people comparing gohan to yamcha
gohan fulfilled his dream and got a cute wife
god forbid he tries to be a good husband/father after having goku for a dad
>>134887276
Goku is dumb.
He can barely count and had to be reminded he was capable of instant transmission twice.
>>134893458
>Goku
>dumb
He was educated by Roshi himself. You got have sex with him and say that again.
>>134885277
If you actually watch that scene, Trunks yells at Krillin not to do it. Cell isn't deaf.
>>134891641
Maybe these should be combined.
Holy fucking shit you guys are still butthurt about this?
I thought this would die down a few days after RoF came out. Do you not fucking remember vegeta lowering his ki and getting rekt by krilln on purpose?
>>134893367
>god forbid he tries to be a good husband/father after having goku for a dad
This meme again.
>Hurr, durr, le gohanfag.
I would like that they have the balls to finish what they start with Gohan in the Buu saga, that saga was supposed to teach him that training is important to protect his love ones, that's the epitome of Gohan character, but no one in Toei has the guts to write him differently, they have to make him job, then he starts to understand the lesson, then Goku appears fights the villain, fuck it in some way, have dragon balls fix his mess, and then Gohan's lesson is forgotten till the next time they have to write something for him.
>>134893622
Look what time it's, time to report you, sonichu-kun.
>>134893304
the most pointless filler in existence. Even if it DID cut cell, he'd just regenerate
>>134892106
>Anime Fill
read the manga
>>134893681
This is /a/ anon. Your expectations are too high.
>>134892625
The motherfucker can sense Ki like its nothing, surprise attacks should have been buried into the trash can long ago after Goku learned to sense ki and his surroundings through shit like air current.
Just get over it, that shit happened because they had no idea how to show that character flaw.
>>134893885
>Sonichu
If there was a CWC anime, would /a/ watch it?
>>134893708
No no, wanting Gohan to be able to take care of shit himself means you "don't understand his character." He should just focus on his family and allow needless deaths.
>>134893681
This is just the shitposter, he's an attention whore, but he's ignored in tumblr and deviantart, so /a/ is his last resort.
>>134894121
>anon can't lower his Ki
>>134894140
No, now fuck off.
Lets be honest here
Goku was a shitty dad
>Constantly out of home
>Died multiple times
>Barely shows any affection to your mother in the rare moments hes at home
>Drags you to fight eldritch abominations and aliens
>never say "I love you my son"(altho that might be a jap thing)
Gohan had enough of it
>>134894216
Gohan needs to stop being a cuck.
>>134892495
I hate how overused this character flaw is, Goku supposedly should have superated this flaw, we literally had whole arcs on DB about him being overconfident and learning to not be, it was the whole reason Kame got into the tournaments, so his disciples would become overconfident. Then goku won agaisnt the strongest being picollo only to get his ass whooped by mr popo and learning he was being overconfident again. He had his last time as overconfidence by thinking he had won in the last second of the tournament.
And then, we have never seen goku as overconfident again through the whole of dragon ball Z, and now outta now where, here we have the flaw back.
>>134894175
You are right, anon. Gohan should just let Goku handle shit. I'm sure Gohan isn't going to mind his family getting blow up by Frieza, and Piccolo getting double killed.
>>134894187
I know you're joking, but none on Freeza's side seems to know shit about sensing ki or lowering it, its one of his weaknesses.
>>134894175
To be fair even without training Gohan is essentially a physical god. It's not like he knew that there'd be a ridiculously contrived circumstance that combined a warrior strong enough to beat Gohan (of which there's only a handful in the entire universe, even when he's not worked out in years) and the fact that Goku wasn't able to be contacted. Like, how do you even plan for that? When you think about it, how remote are the odds that anything that strong could come threatening Earth, and just so happen to appear at a time when Goku was in a faraway galaxy and couldn't sense what was happening?
>>134894282
That would mean paying writers, instead of re-using the same script for the characters over and over. Heck, even the moonies are upset about this.
>>134894216
I'm astonished Gohan grew up as well as he did considering he's been participating in battles to the death and seeing his family and friends killed every other day since he was a FOUR YEAR OLD. By all rights he should be severely messed up in the head.
>>134894431
Well, a warrior strong enough to beat Gohan while Goku is unable to help has appeared before.
Would a Spirit Bomb kill the One Punch Man?
>>134893708
how is gohan wanting to be a good dad after having a dad that was absent for most of his life a meme?
>>134894431
>To be fair even without training Gohan is essentially a physical god
Eh, no. In RoF Gohan can hardly maintain SSJ, he's seven in the power rank, yes, but he's an ant in contrast with the first five.
>how remote are the odds that anything that strong could come threatening Earth, and just so happen to appear at a time when Goku was in a faraway galaxy and couldn't sense what was happening?
In some way, this always happens:
Saiyan Saga
Namek Saga
Mecha Frieza and King Cold
The androids (he was sick)
Super Buu
BoG
This always happen, that was the lesson Toriyama wanted for Gohan to learn in the Buu saga.
>Gohan ditched training.
>New bad appears.
>He's defeated.
>Daddy isn't available.
>Trains to protect Earth.
And now that I have the opportunity to say this, I have the feeling U6 arc is going to be the Super's RoF for Gohan. The anime is making too much emphasis in Gohan ditching his training, while the manga hasn't had the opportunity to address this. Maybe in the manga Piccolo is going to die for Gohan/his death is going to be Gohan's motivate to train in the manga.
I could be wrong, of course.
>>134885834
>the laser was specially created
>laser
>specially created
If it was changed in any way, then it's no longer a laser since a laser is only a concentrated wave of light. It's a very fucking specific definition anon, there are no variations. Why not change water while you're at it?
>>134894835
You are really asking me this? According to you Gohan shouldn't train because his sole obligation is to protect and take care of his family being a pacifist in a world where villains' sole motivation is to destroy Earth.
>>134894646
Yes, the collective shitpost of /a/ killed my desire to watch OPM, when I wanted to check it in the last season.
>>134894984
You could just not read the threads.
>>134894348
Ginyu argues otherwise.
>>134894851
>Piccolo die
If so then it won't be permanent. We know he's alive in the epilogue.
>>134894294
It's less Goku's overconfidence and more that Goku doesn't play it safe. Keep in mind this is the same guy who in almost every fight he's in, no matter how strong the opponent is, he always tries to keep his strength to be low enough to fight them evenly unless he really needs a curb stomp. Goku's overconfidence comes more from the fact that he doesn't try to protect himself and instead tries to test his limits as a fighter by keeping himself relaxed and on the same level as his opponent.
>>134886474
Well it's kind of a very present and real thing in their universe.
That's why in the same movie Goku gets punched directly in the face by Golden Freeza and no sells it. You can't "tell" when it's on half the time.
>>134892424
Pretty sure Vegeta
1. Was fucking drained after fighting the Z warriors
2. Was barely hurt by the sword
3. Proceeded to kick the shit out of Yajirobe before Gohan went ape shit (literally)
>>134891226
>GT apologists
AND
HERE
WE
GO
>>134892922
Cell is fucking broken.
>>134895720
If you read my post again you would notice I said what happened in RoF with Piccolo could happen in U6 to develop Gohan in the manga as the anime is doing.
>>134896355
The japanese are GT apologist, nigga.
>>134893367
people shouldn't be comparing Yamcha to Gohan, because Yamcha actually saved lives without having everything handed to him on a silver plater
>>134894898
>Why not change water while you're at it?
Don't you fucking tempt fate
>>134890761
>Tail bone
>>134896124
Someone post the counterpoint to this about maximum, normal and minimum.
I think all of this Superman and Saitama non-sense is autistic shit. The laser isn't stupid because I want Goku to be strong, it's stupid because it's fucking ridiculous like everything in RoF and Super (which really jerks off DB power levels so if I was that kind of person I'd like it)
>>134899794
are you implying that tails don't have vertebrae?
>>134885834
i knew >>134885462
was right coming into this thread but damn 2nd post
i think im going to go lie down for a while just damn dude
>>134900024
I actually wrote it in second then checked to see if I was retarded. I had a brain fart and clicked Post anyways.
>>134899794
tail boner?
Post abilities Cell should have logically had but didn't use:
>Infinite free Kikohos because of infinite android life energy. Probably would have made circles.
>Kaioken with absurd multipliers due to Namekian regeneration and Frieza's tenacity
>Ability to create Dragon Balls from Kami's DNA
>Could have just charged a solar system busting Kamehameha, Instant Transmissioned in, fired, Instant Transmissioned out and won
Given how broken Instant Kamehameha was and the fact that Goku didn't abuse it only because of his personality, Cell honestly should have been able to abuse the shit out of that and killed everyone.
>>134889897
>tfw this is almost canon
>>134892162
>even when trained.
Isn't that false?
The tail being pulled was always Goku's weak point until he decided to train it. After that, it stopped being a problem.
Apparently Radditz never bothered to train his own tail.
>>134894216
well, considering it was either that or die, Goku is father of the year.
>>134900394
Not instantly being paralyzed when someone grabs it doesn't mean it's not a weak point.
>>134897135
>super mode
>ki at minimum
sure!
>>134900785
Besides that, Raditz could have just cut it off himself if he got deseperate, hence the full nelson
The tail being a weakness is something only shit-tier saiyans have a problem with
Piccolo tried that shit on Nappa, and got knocked the fuck out for his troubles.
>>134887351
Piccolo was thought to be defeated. Can't fault him there.
>>134900868
>anon doesn't remember FPSSJ
>>134887276
Because he's notPerfect.
>>134885277
dame thread same faggot>>134885462
>>134892046
at least he died with a powerful blast that is capable to wipe solar system + but goku on the other hand...>>134891956
>>134885834
If they can create lasers that can beat Goku, why aren't all of Frieza's forces equipped with them? Why were the blasts on Namek so pathethic?
>This wouldn't be nearly as controversial if they had just had Goku's hair turn black again before he got shot.
I like what Toriyama is doing. He's shitting on everybody who takes it too seriously. It's not a surprise, he always did it and clearly always gave a fuck about the story making sense, but the fucking laser was a trolling masterpiece.
>>134885834
How come nobody ever created a Laser that could kill Frieza?
>>134886930
Kamehameha was not designed to be lethal in the first place.
It only becomes so when you pump more power on it than you should.
>>134887407
Frieza was a faggot. In a few months, he got an unstable form that could beat Goku. Why didn't he just train another month to get either more power or more duration of his new form? Why didn't he just destroy the Earth from orbit without telling anybody? Why doesn't he use the Earth's Dragon Balls to become immortal so he won't end in hell again? Why doesn't he turn to good after getting tangible evidence that hell is real and his sins will make him end there again someday when he dies?
>>134901867
The people who "Take it too seriously" are secondaries who got into it from watching bad dubs of Z on CN and ignored all the bits about how scouters are useless.
>>134902003
Same reason he didn't go to his final form the second he met some chumps who didn't fall to pieces when he let off a weak fart, arrogance. Welcome to character flaws, sometimes they're a real motherfucker.
>>134892251
Well, for one nobody expects a sniper to shoot you even during a boxing match.
Secondly, even if a boxer has his guard up, he cannot survive being shot in the fucking chest.
>>134901666
Wrong, metabattle says the best pre-Beerus Z warriors can only destroy large planets.
>>134885277
Maybe Cell has some sort of carapace? And it's not like a kick to the back of the neck is a guaranteed kill, especially to someone with giant back muscles like Cell.
>>134902223
>cell literally stated to able to wipe a solar system
m8
>>134887276
Toriyama did it so Vegeta could pretend he can be useful
>>134885277
autism the thread
>>134887276
freeza wad concisered defeated, that's why.
>>134892251
>some butt blasted dragoncuck took time to make this gif
That's some insecurity, if I've ever seen it.
>>134887952
>>134888116
>>134892251
Yeah, because a boxing match is the same thing as a fight to the death on a battlefield between galactic god level fighters
Noone expects snipers at a boxing match because the goal isn't to kill anyone to win
That's why the analogy is dog shit you dumb fuck
>>134887407
removing the filler afterlife tournament arc, had we ever seen ANYONE from another race actually train?
saiyans could gain ridiculous power by training (even though vegeta never really did until he got back to earth. he and others like nappa and bardock got stronger by being in constant combat which is like training) and we know earthlings can train and get pretty strong for earthlings. we saw piccolo train a lot too, but his ceiling was found pretty quickly as well.
so what if just like earthlings and namekians, saiyans had a point where they soon become irrelevant, saiyans don't even have much potential in the overall scheme of things?
frieza and likely the rest of his forces NEVER trained. ever. even most of his random forces were stronger than king vegeta was and he was supposed to be one of the strongest saiyans. if a saiyan trained for 4 months, we know they'll get pretty strong. frieza, who was leagues and leagues higher than ANY saiyan, even the irregulars until they transformed finally training? his gains were going to be unlike any we've ever seen.
and as super shows us, whatever the fuck tagoma was had potential too. 4 months of being frieza's little training bitch and he was immediately stronger than any non-saiyan Z warrior. Even piccolo who had long surpassed goku's powerlevel when he originally beat frieza.
>>134894294
well of course he wasn't overconfident much in DBZ
radditz was far stronger than him
he was pissed at nappa because all his friends died
vegeta was stronger than him and he had to nearly destroy his body to fight evenly with him.
he was pissed at the ginyu force for breaking his son's neck and nearly killing krillin
he WAS caught off guard by ginyu's attack, but then again, so was vegeta.
frieza was too strong until he killed krillin, making goku pissed.
goku was DYING when he fought 19
goku wasn't strong enough to beat cell. ever.
goku wasn't strong enough to beat buu. ever.
He was overconfident against frieza this time because he was still stronger than frieza, he knew frieza didn't even master his form and was constantly losing power (and would soon become unable to fight back, just like on namek) vegeta was equally capable of defeating frieza, beerus or whis could kick frieza's ass if they felt like it, and whis could turn back time if anything went wrong. also, senzu beans
>>134900193
>Infinite free Kikohos because of infinite android life energy
Where did you get this one?
>>134885277
It could be one of these possibilities.
A. Cell's Ki Guard was still consciously being held up
or
B. Cell's natural durability could endure a kick from Krillin.
>>134887230
>When Jackie Chun blew up the moon, it was time to stop thinking do hard about Dragonball. It's a story about the Goku
for a story to be a bout the characters teh characters have to actually DO SHIT BEYOND GETTING WRECKED OR STALLING FOR GOKU
>>134885277
>why Cell who survives self-explosion was not took down by Krillin
Gee I wonder why.
>>134892495
>mangafox
>>134886930
>they can invent a rejuv tank that will literally bring back the dead in no time
Wrong, it can bring back somone really beaten up but not dead, and it took at least an hour for Goku to be fully revived.
>but they could never invent a later strong enough to hit an unaware goku!!!
In that case why didn't the Earthlings create weapons strong enough to kill Frieza? I mean they already had created Androids that dwarfed both Frieza and his family, why not do it again except make them good this time?
>It's a story
What story? It's just a bunch of drawn out fight scenes, nothing more.
>>134905631
Or C. Toriyama is a hack
These spammers are so butthurt everything they bitch about gets them blown out of the water.
>>134887806
This. DBZ is and has always been braindead garbage for 10 year olds, Super is no better.
I love these threads.
>tfw Goku vs Lazer is even more embarrassing than Yamcha vs Saibaman
And one more for the road.
theese threads are perfect
>>134907240
Everyone becomes a jobber at one point, not even Goku himself is safe.
>>134890873
And Super Cyan Goku could have easily handled one of Frieza's common grunts, yet couldn't even sense one right in front of him and got shot through the heart and he's to blame.
>>1348912
GT still sucks, it's just the lesser of two evils.
>>134907240
Toriyama is a hack.
>>134887276
Goku has been doing that since he was a kid.
>>134887276
A major part of Goku's character is that he's a literal retard who only cares about fighting and food, with friends and family a distant third and fourth.
>>134907512
>abridgedfag
Fuck off.
>>134885277
You don't get it, Goku issoft at heart.
>>134907566
I'm sure this experience left him very heartbroken.
>>134907556
He gives Cell a god damn senzu bean when he has gohan fight him, he lets Majin Buu off the hook so Gotanks can fight him. He goes to train fucking Uub/train with whis after Chichi tells him not to.
You have to be trying to look stupid.
>>134907512
>A major part of Goku's character is that he's a literal retard who only cares about fighting
But lowering his ki falls under the fighting category.
>>134908045
>You have to be trying to look stupid.
DBZtards don't have to try very hard to achieve that.
>>134908045
Thanks for proving your a literal retard.
>>134908205
>your a literal retard
>>134908045
>>134907427
Or you are too stupid to understand a children cartoon.
>>134908205
Thanks for proving you have nothing to argue.
>>134886704
>>134887276
My fucking sides, Gokucks BTFO
>>134908842
no, not really, no matter how much you try and say otherwise, spammer.
>>134887276
Here's the main problem I see here. Even with Goku having his back turned he was able to sense/hear Frieza's final attack on Namek. So how can a guy who can defend himself from an attack he didn't see coming in front of him take a hit that directly was in his vision?
>>134908896
it was a laser, a machine. Freiza has ki. Goku can only detect one.
Also I think Sorbet was out of Goku's field of view, since he was hiding among some rocks while goku was looking down on a collasped frieza.
>>134896124
>>134909003
still grasping at straws dude. fuck off already before you make yourself look retarded, yet again.
>>134890331
Which is even more funny since lasers have been shown to have a killing power of about 1200.
How much power does that stupid rifle pack to even be able to hurt SSJ God Goku, off-guard or not?
>>134909026
Way to completely avoid addressing my point, retard.
>>134908164
but he had just finished fighting, since he thought he was done he automatically went back to retard mode making it possible for him to get hit by the lasers.
>>134909193
>being this stupid
Frieza can't manipulate his Ki outside of Ki blast and the like. So his defense is always on.
>>134887276
But it is the same. Who says Goku breathes? He isn't the same as a normal human, he's a saiyan. Instead of a lung, his chest right there could be full of some super vital organ. Probably he just has a very weak spot right there and was somewhat off guard. The compounding factors contributed to his getting defeated so easily
>>134909224
During the namec arc even when intentionally lowering his powerlevel he still remained at about 5000 when fighting the Ginyu force.
How many millions of strenght do you think he had now that he was in SSJ God form even if off-guard?
How much damage does that stupid lazer even deal?
>>134909244
It's hilarious seeing this constantly pulling things out of thin air.
>>134909409
It's become a meme at this point.
>>134908284
>mangafox
>posting shit scanlations
Either post the japanese raws or the viz scans and then we'll talk
>>134885277
>>b..b.but freeza guard was down! He was taken by surprise!
>>134909365
>intentionally lowering his powerlevel
exactly. since he was intentionally lowering his powerlevel while in the middle of a fight, of course he lowered it to a non-retarded amount. But since in the god battle he wasn't fighting, he went back to retarded mode and lowered it to a retarded amount (he's only not in retarded mode when fighting).
>>134909521
Frieza's own attack >>>>>>>>> laser ring worn by common grunts
>>134909596
You do realize that off guard!=retarded 1 power for the sake of surprise, right?
Even if taken "off-guard" Goku still should have packed millions while in that form. Getting himself into retarded Yamcha mode requires an actual effort like Vegeta did, and there's absolutely 0 reason why Goku would do that once the fight ended.
He was taken "off-guard", maybe, but that only means him being on normal state, not Vegeta "kill me" mode.
>>134909649
>Majin Vegeta high power punch
>stupid laser rifle made by the hundreds
Missing the point and you.jpeg
>>134909675
Stop being stupid. A fat human with a sword, who can't even control ki cut off the tail of oozaru vegeta, easily a planet buster at least. Why should a laser not hurt goku as well?
You are shitposting or just too stupid to argue with, fuck off.
>>134909649
Going by your spelling and grammar you are also juts a Idiot.
>b..b.but freeza guard was down AGAIN ! He was taken by surprise!
>>134909758
Haha, was about to point that out too. What a idiot.
>>134909384
Are you retarded? It's one of the reasons Frieza lost to Goku.
>>134909776
Ok now you're just shitposting. Trunks>>>Frieza.
>>134909776
Trunks was way stronger than a common Frieza underling, how many times are you going to keep doing this shit?
>>134909814
>>134909812
still just a sword
>>134909734
Maybe because a sayan's tail has long been established to be their one weak defenseless point? No?
Geez you guys aren't even trying anymore.
>>134909852
Because Goku is stronger than Trunks you nigger. How can you know so little about the series you're trying to defend?
>>134909853
You mean the part of the body Saiyan elites, like nappa and vegeta, trained so they weren't weak points anymore?
Yeah, sorry, you don't even know the material you are shitposting over
>>134909882
well A rock is stronger than goku then
this way
Rocks = Lasers > Metal Swords
>>134909791
>It's one of the reasons Frieza lost to Goku.
As far as i remember Frieza lost to Goku due to the ssj transformation.
Frieza cannot detect ki without scouters and can't manipulate it without his transformations.
That didn't get Goku too far anyway.In the end his shit was rekt.
>>134909791
Freeza lost to Goku because he got a new transformation out of his ass because "Muh krilin"
Anyway, I don't know what has that to do with the fact that Freeza can control his power level like I showed in my post
>>134909791
He can manipulate his ki, he just can't sense it.
>>134909926
>filler
Now you're really grasping at straws here.
>>134909915
>trained so they weren't weak points anymore
Must be why they kept them safe and hidden around their bodies right?
>>134909967
Yajirobe is stronger than Vegeta
To be honest, this retcon makes fights more interesting again and gets rid of all the power level creep bullshit of DBZ in a clean sweep.
Now even Roshi could beat a villain if he caught him distracted somehow.
