>be toei
>calling Akira Toriyama
>Akira we need a new imposing character the strongest warrior that beerus has ever fought. It must be big, strong and intimidating.
>okay let me send you a picture.
>Toei: Y-you already had it
>receive this
what do?
>>134847525
Thank God it's not this.
>>134847646
Is the guy on the far right supposed to be Radditz?
>>134847525
Toriyama has gone so far down the deep end with his "le skinny unimpressive guy is actually le most powerful guy" that at this point it has not only become a cliché, but he somehow manages to jump the shark on that cliché. He's senile. Beerus is literally the only good thing that has come out of Toriyama's comeback.
>>134847646
This deviant fanart piece of shit garbage is actually better than the Super Cyan bullshit.
>Inb4 Superdrones
We have SSJ4 (which, shit on GT as much as you want, is actually a creative concept) and an uninspired SSJ4 recolor on the one hand. On the other hand, we just have an uninspired SSJ recolor.
Honestly I was hoping it'd be Arale.
>>134848378
Jesus. Why are you so butthurt over a childrens cartoon?
>>134848515
>Grow up liking something
>After many years it comes back into the mainstream
>It sucks
I'm mad for the same reasons Star Wars fans are mad.
>Hurrdurr this is inconsequential just b urself go outside and make friends and lift bruh what are you autistic
Where the fuck do you think you are?
>>134847525
Could Saitama beat him?
>>134847646
I'd take Xicor over revived Frieza any day desu.
>>134848562
Nope.
>>134848378
Are you saying the epic strong muscle guy cliche was any better?
>>134847525
Simple design, easier to animate and less likely that Toei fucks up with QUALITY.
Seems good to me.
>>134847525
I hope he has no transformation and fights exactly as he looks right now.
>>134847525
I like it. Nipples doesn't have that cringy fanfiction feel that Golden Frieza had. I think all the Universe 6 designs have been vast improvements over RF.
>>134847525
>It must be big, strong and intimidating.
I'm pretty sure Toei would never ask that of Toriyama ever these days
I seriously love how mad this guy is making people. I almost don't want him to have a transformation even though I'm pretty sure he will
>>134848653
Better? Yes. Still shit, but better.
>>134848873
I'm not particularly mad about nipples, all the other designs look pretty shit and uninspired too. Even the robot is not the best robot Toriyama has done.
Winnie-the-Pooh, another brat Saiyan, some fuck from Frieza race, Purple Namekian. Even some filler characters from the old days were better than this group.
![rfU5N6K[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8HwTRBY.jpg "rfU5N6K[1].jpg")
>>134849089
>Even some filler characters from the old days were better than this group.
Hell, even some troll pictures are better than some of Toriyama's most recent designs. When shitty fanart is less shitty than the shitty original, stop writing.
>>134849172
That shitty fanart is pretty shitty
>>134849089
Oh but more recolored Saiyans is fine.
>>134848448
oh i'm fucking mad now
it really should have been arale
>>134849387
It wasn't. Super cyan, Saiyan god, Frieza recolor. All shit. Beerus and Whis and by extension Champa and Vados were the only good DB character designs he made in recent years.
That's his "fuck you" to all executives and fans not letting him rest since his planned ending at Dragon Ball.
>>134848560
>back into the mainstream
>implying DBZ wasn't mainstream when it was on TV
>Implying Star Wars was main stream in the last 2 trilogies
Fuck off you fucking nigger faggot, I hope your mother gets raped tonight.
>>134850126
Bro. not cool. Rape is a real thing, its very traumatizing and painful.
>>134850126
Well, thank you for making /a/ such a pleasant community.
>>134850126
lmao ur the lamest anon currently browsing.. like an autistic hipster.... dont get ya trendy sanic scarf caught on anything!!!
>strongest in the universe
>not Arale
>>134851661
Not necessarily the strongest, but Beerus says this is the guy that's gave him the worst fight in the past, before he met Goku, and not counting Whis.
Beerus hasn't fought Arale yet, so of course he doesn't know of her power.
Im pretty sure this guy is gonna be a transformation based character
>>134848763
>Toriyama
>no transformation
C'mon man.
>>134847646
SSJ4 Pan should be topless. delicious loli tits.
>>134847525
>yfw he has a transformation
>yfw his nipples just get bigger.
>>134849172
I kinda like these actually
So much shit taste in this thread, nipples is fine. It's like you don't know dragon ball outside the dub and funi rock song inserts
Pooh, notFreeza, and shota saiyan also look interesting enough.
So when is Toriyama finally going to announce that Dragon Ball, Dragon Quest, Blue Dragon and, Chrono Trigger are all in the same universe?
>>134854451
>When is the DB author going to announce DB is in the same universe as all these games he didn't write
>>134849172
who are these guys again
>>134848560
DBZ never left the mainstream in Japan, faggot.
>>134854658
The Backyardigans senpai
>>134854451
just because he did the character designs doesn't mean they have jack shit to do with each other
>>134847525
I don't mind funny designs for strong guys. Beerus is funny, but he's also a great design.
This is just lazy bland garbage. Probably the most boring alien and most boring character visually toriyama has designed in all of dragon ball.
When are Toei & Toriyama just going to fucking stop?
Dragonball has been dead for so long.
>>134855409
When fanboys stop eating their shit.
>>134847646
Why does Pan stll have a shirt?
>>134853971
>>134855618
Because most people aren't pedophiles
>>134847525
1. Start printing 'staff endorsed' power-level charts
2. Attach chart to BDs and high-end merch
3. Run promotional campaign with 'New power-levels revealed!'
4. All the kids and power-level fags buy BDs
5. Announce upcoming chart with OPM collaboration coming soon
6. Swim in money
>>134848378
>is actually a creative concept
>le hairy ape
spics be mad yo
>>134848932
I'm sure you'd sell millions of yen if were to follow your advice.
Where's your hit TV show and manga, by the way?
Is GT canon? I got into a argument with a friend, him saying that GT could be a possible future, that Super isn't a prequel to the films (Battle of Gods and Resurrection of F) because they're being rewritten in the show. Is he correct?
>>134850126
>>134848663
>>134848829
>>134848853
Even the Toriyama cocksuckers have such pathetic counter arguments at how lazy the designs.
One thing you idiots forget to think about is that Toriyama had years, literally years to come up with this designs with no pressure at all and this is the fucking best he could come up with.
Absolute trash and it looks fucking stupid. Beerus is your counter arguement? At least Beerus looks badass and not some faggy 90s anime cartoon evil henchmen look a like. What in this entire design is creative and interesting? Nothing.
Toriyama lost his marbles if he thinks this can pass off as being a top tier fighter. This isn't One Piece where you can get away with goofy shit, this is DBZ where they take themselves too seriously. Fuck this.
>>134860038
>Toriyama had years
He wasn't working on DB all those years. What the fuck are you even.
>this is DBZ where they take themselves too seriously. Fuck this.
Oh, it's bait.
>>134860204
I was referring to brainstorming idea for Super you idiot.
Of course he's stronger than Goku.
He's probably immune to lasers too.
>>134860038
DB is funny, faggot. I read it only because it makes me laugh.
>>134860038
>Even the Toriyama cocksuckers have such pathetic counter arguments at how lazy the designs.
So you never played Chrono Trigger.
Silly designs has always been a Toriyama staple.
>>134860319
>I was referring to brainstorming idea for Super you idiot.
It's fine if it left you this salty, you DBZ secondary.
>>134860736
Compare Robo from Chrono Trigger to the new Robot from Champa's universe.
It's incomparably worse. Toriyama just doesn't give a fuck anymore.
And good god, how can you even imply Chrono Trigger's character design is so fucking bad it could produce Leotard Nipplelord.
>>134860976
>he doesn't know about the Nu
>he wants a Robo copypaste from Chrono Trigger in DBS
You have the creativity of a grapefruit.
>>134860569
After all these memes.. I'm wondering if Super will just cut this part out and have him fall some other way.
>>134861042
>Goku tripped on a pebble and went back to base form
I can't wait.
>>134861042
It's not even a meme, it's just some faggot trying to make it more than it is, while ignoring the time yajarobi snuck up on great ape vegeta and cut off his tail, or when vegeta lowered his power level so fucking krillin could mortally injure him.
>>134861039
The Nu are not only literally low-tier goons, they still look better than the NippleLord.
>>he wants a Robo copypaste from Chrono Trigger in DBS
Nice strawman you apologist cocksucker. My point with bringing up Robo is that Toriyama is capable of designing really good looking mecha. The new robot looks like a cheap toy, it's fucking shit by comparison.
>>134854451
>Universe 6's earth got destroyed by this motherfucker
>>134861177
>Comparing an attack to the Saiyan's weak point to getting one-shot by a shitty laser ring.
>Comparing Krilin, who was way stronger than the blaster corps in Namek, to again a shitty grunt who can't even make his own ki and his shitty laser blaster ring.
>>134861177
>lowered his power level so fucking krillin could mortally injure him
My problem with that is at what point did Goku lower his power level? He was still Super Cyan so that really doesn't make sense to me.
>>134861139
Funniest one I've seen.
>>134861177
>while ignoring the time yajarobi snuck up on great ape vegeta and cut off his tail,
>is just like being in peak god form before a grunt lasered him in the chest
How?
>or when vegeta lowered his power level so fucking krillin could mortally injure him.
Goku was still in SSGSS mode.
Here, watch the clip and tell me how your analogies are even remotely comparable to what happened here.
>>134861186
>The Nu are not only literally low-tier goons
>He doesn't know that in the Chronoverse Nus are the most naturally powerful being
Fucking play it and get back to me.
>>134861186
>Toriyama is capable of designing really good looking mecha.
Toriyama designed for animation and not for a video game here.
In anime, things are simplified so that they can be animated easier.
Are you retarded?
>>134861285
They are low level shitters from the Cursed Woods shut your stupid face.
>>134861313
And? Holy fuck even Dragon Ball had better looking mecha than this toy looking motherfucker. Stop sucking toriyama's dick, I don't expect something that looks as detailed as Robo, I just expect something that doesn't look like shit.
>>134861368
>They are low level shitters from the Cursed Woods
So you never finished Chrono Trigger, huh?
>>134861489
You aren't even trying anymore are you?
>>134861368
>Dragon Ball had better looking mecha
Nostalgiafaggotry at its finest.
>>134861549
>he doesn't know about the Nu built by Belthasar
Jesus Christ, a secondary in Chrono Trigger and Dragon Ball.
>>134861250
Sorbet is a space ninja.
>>134861554
That is a better design then than a nipplefart over there.
>>134860569
Here we go again.
>>134861674
>That is a better design
>People think the tournament will go as planned.
It's Dragon Ball, people. Something is going to turn horrible wrong.
>>134847646
Really?
Is it really fair to use this as a bad example when one of the new fighters is literally NotFreeza?
We just finished giving Freeza a fucking revival arc, we couldn't put the design away for one fucking arc?
It's kind of hard to make fun of the Latin fanbase went two of the designs in the new group are completely unfucking inspired.
>>134862493
>Is it really fair to use this as a bad example when one of the new fighters is literally NotFreeza?
Wait, you think that's a good design?
>>134861042
If they're smart, they'll have Sorbert distract Goku, and then have Freeza be the one to shoot the laser.
They won't, though.
>>134862522
The point I'm making is that it's kind of fresh to be making fun of people who were like GRR NO ALTERNATE UNIVERSE SSJ4 BROLLY, NO BAD GOKU, which is completely uninspired, when we have a character that is literally a recolor of Freeza on the other team.
It's just as uninspired as using an alternate version of another Saiyan character. MMORPG Saiyan-kid doesn't help much either.
>>134847525
I'm loving this, going back to his roots where comedy is part of the main focus of the series.
can't wait to see what's happening next
>>134861243
well his aura is down, and since he's neither fighting nor powering up.
you know I think people would give this less shit if this would happen a lot more in the manga. or if was warned more about this weakness.
>>134862631
People not seeing the brilliance in design in alternate Frieza. Maybe if you idiots could open your eyes and see the difference, you wouldnt post utter drivel.
>>134862631
>when we have a character that is literally a recolor of Freeza on the other team.
That's like saying SSJ3 is a Super Saiyan recolor of Raditz with little tweaks here and there.
>>134861250
ok I'm not apologising for any thing here, buy you want to understand why this shit happend.
you ever been suckered punched? shit like that can take the strongest guy down when he or she is not prepared for it.
now it's a tiny lazer that sicker punched goku, toriyama said you can only build muscles so far it's ki that's allows these guys to do the extraordinary.
ki control is very difficult for many thus why goku didn't just have a ki shield up. ki needs to be focused and goku's focus was on freeza who was on his hands and knees. Goku won the fight, his defence was down knowing freeza's ki was dropping. just like on namek, he wasn't a challenge anymore. now you ask he's in super saiyan blue wtf?! even in blue the body is still susceptible to outside attacks, and weapons.
now goku isn't fully god mode, he's more like a demi - god and even then japanese gods are different compared to western style gods.
eastern style gods can have mortal like bodies and be killed, what makes them imortal is that they can reborn as the same god with all their past memories.
I'm getting off topic but that's a eastern god.
now the lazer itself, this is advanced alien tech, mind you they were able to take freeza's body parts and put then back together with their alien spooj. it's surfing to say that if there is tech that can make humans stronger than freeza, then there is alien tech that piece some one in the heart while he is not looking.
>>134863194
>shit like that can take the strongest guy down when he or she is not prepared for it.
Weaksauce shit senpai.
>>134863194
>ki control is very difficult for many thus why goku didn't just have a ki shield up.
Nice headcanon.
>>134848562
yes
>>134848562
Maybe.
>>134848562
Easily
>>134860569
He never changed.
>>134863265
if it's so easy why doesn't farmer John do it.
do you even read dragonball?
>>134863479
Goku was able to keep his ki up before and only got damaged by lasers from people within his power level.
This is the first time he's even been blindsided by a being many magnitudes less powerful than him, and you know it.
>>134863253
Saitama is on a whole new level of stupid strong, don't use logic of one series to explain a completely different series.
>>134863479
>if it's so easy why doesn't farmer John do it.
>implying Farmer John can't
>>134863502
the lazer that was blocked by goku's dragonball?
>>134863530
then explain why roshi, took 50 years to make the kamehameha?
>>134863537
That doesn't explain why someone many magnitudes weaker than him was able to laser him.
>>134863561
>Reminder that Goku picked up that shit right away
Wait are people actually defending Toriyama inputting that a laser gun by a hencemen of Frieza was enough to take out Goku? Really? The discussion has dissolved to that.
>>134863502
you mean by a lazer that was alien tech? and tech that in the past created androids that fucked up super saiyans?>>134863510
>>134863587
>you mean by a lazer that was alien tech?
Are you claiming that the alien tech is somehow a universe-busting laser?
Oh boy I can sniff another power level thread again.
>>134863253
inb4 narutoforums copypasta
>>134863584
my point is the ki is difficult to control, never said goku had that much difficulty, just ment it as a general thing, plus that was goku's fault for being too over confident.
>>134863567
the lazer in question can have nothing to do with ki but acts like a gun. when the guard is down a high tech alien lazer can snipe goku's shit.
>>134863666
Goku can tank planet destroying blasts but pee wee shooter is enough to take him out? What?
>>134863613
no, but are you claiming that goku is impervious to attacks while his gaurd is down, or that he is superman and has invicibility?
>>134863666
>my point is the ki is difficult to control
He can tank a universe-busting punch but not a piddly laser?
>>134863694
he can take on one that he sees coming yes, when his gaurd is down he's easily killed.
>>134863700
>no
I accept your concession.
Goku is weaksauce if he drops his guard so low as to make him vulnerable to a laser pointer.
>>134863716
are you having a hard time understanding this or is it that you are really salty over something that points out the fact that goku is a mortal and not god?
>>134863740
yeah, just like you, I think your ego is out of control here. I was saying goku could be taken out when his gaurd is down, I never said the other way around.
>>134863768
He was tanking bullets and lasers when he was a kid.
>>134863768
Goku is a god at this point you fucking idiot, even Beerus admitted it.
>>134863803
>I was saying goku could be taken out when his gaurd is down
Not by someone weaker than him. Ginyu's power level wasn't far off his and yet when he got the drop on him it didn't affect him the same way Sorbet's laser did.
>>134863817
bullets aren't lazers, and your pick shows he blocking one, why is this so hard to understand? Goku, when his gaurd is down can be taken out. gaurd up he is much harder to kill.
>>134863831
no he didnt, chill your autism, goku has some god ki, he now has a means of fighting gods.
>>134863863
He can take on universe-ending punches but some laser from a grunt is enough to do him in?
Come on, now.
>>134863848
I never said it couldn't be by some one weaker than him, I was pointing out goku, when his gaurd is down, can be killed.
>>134863929
Not by someone weaker than him and definitely not by a laser from some grunt.
>>134862796
the weakness was literally stated in the same movie
you have to be a kid to not understand it
>>134863921
using ssjg and comparing it to ssj blue your problem here, ssj blue is a means of using god ki, ssjg is full on god ki. even then you are trying to compare what you think a god is capable of to what they do in the series.
>>134863905
You were saying? And this was Goku in his previous form you dipshit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZmN79SDUlc&feature=youtu.be&t=65
>>134863970
obviously he can, I was pointing out the fact that there tech that is pretty powerful, it doesn't take a strong man to fire a gun, same with a lazer.
>>134863976
yet we're getting people who are over thinking lazers can't do shit to goku
>>134864003
>I was pointing out the fact that there tech that is pretty powerful
Not as powerful as a universe buster.
The last time Goku was lasered to the heart, it was by Piccolo and their power levels weren't that far apart.
>>134863977
Are you saying that SSJ Blue is weaker than SSG?
>>134863921
SSJB > SSG or else Freeza would've raped them.
>>134863981
you are comparing Bog to RoF you fucking sperg, if he was still full GOD then why did he revert back? ssjg was a a temporary thing, in the same movie he said goku managed to keep some of the god energy and make it his own, SOME of the god energy, jesus why is this so hard for you to understand.
>>134864055
It is.
>>134864055
yes, blue isn't there yet but can become stronger than god, but not yet.
>>134864068
you have no proof of that, ssjg wasn't even fully utilized till goku ran out of time.
>Goku could beat Superman
>>134864029
A metal sword in the hands of a character who can't even control ki cut off oozaru vegeta's tail. A being that is easily a planet buster at the very least.
The leader of a space empire with tech great enough to regenerate frieza from kibbles and bits has a laser that kills a galaxy buster.
You are trying so hard to make it seem like goku getting killed by a laser is some unforgivable sin that DB fans will never live down, when we don't even care/you can't understand the consistency of surprise attacks in DB being actually effective
>>134864003
You are just arguing with stupid, baiting kid you know?
In the same film Whis states to goku that he drops guard to easily and it will lead to his downfall
In the SAME FUCKING film he got his lesson when some fucktard turd blasted his chest with laser
Back in the DBZ just some stupid rock thrown by krilin could do some damage hurting like hell
In manga and anime its showed multiple times that in one moment powered up guys shrug off ki blasts but underpowered, tired etc that fucking blast do actual damage
You are trying to elcture guy that strongman should tank
1. Hit coming from weak guy who run at him from 15m distance yelling that he will punch his bals
2. Suprise falkon-punch his balls when he's not suspecting anything
In first example he can easily avoid damage. In second you can take anyone to his knees
Just ignore that fucktard spamming /a/ everyday with his laser goku meme
>>134864082
>>134864094
>>134864134
This headcanon bullshit tho.
>>134864068
Let's follow your logic here.
>SSJG gave Beerus a good fight even though Beerus was still stronger.
>SSJB stronger than SSJG would mean that it could possibly be stronger than Beerus
>Golden Frieza was stronger than than SSJB at the beginning of the fight before his power started going down
>Golden Frieza shat himself when he noticed a weaker being(Beerus) just standing in the distance
See how SSJB > SSJG just dowsn't make sense?
Plus, SSJG requires a whole ritual and 5 saiyans, SSJB just requires training to be able to use god ki.
>>134864082
>>134864094
>>134864134
>Goku and Vegeta trains with Whis
>they somehow become less strong than Super Saiyan God
For what purpose?
>>134864382
no its not, your ssjblue being stronger is head canon.
>>134848562
with One Punch
>>134864392
Let's follow your logic here.
see >>134864403
You're an idiot.
>Golden Frieza shat himself when he noticed a weaker being(Beerus) just standing in the distance
Beerus defeated SSG at 70%.
SSG < SSB < Beerus.
>>134864403
they have to build up to that power, they don't want to rely on getting ki from other saiyans. ssjg was just a cheat, to show the stage of power to climb to. this is the whole point of the wholes series. hard work trumps power that is just given, but you got to work for it.
>>134864470
>they have to build up to that power, they don't want to rely on getting ki from other saiyans.
Show me where in the canon material was it ever stated that SSB is weaker than SSG.
man you guys are fuckin pathetic arguing about kid cartoons n shit
>>134864443
doesn't mean freeza was stronger than ssjg, you seemed to think goku stayed at that power level after he lost ssjg. he didnt, or he would have turned ssjblue.
Name one legit funny moment from Dragon Ball Super.
I'll wait.
>>134864538
>doesn't mean freeza was stronger than ssjg
Citation Needed on your claim that Freeza is weaker than SSJG.
>>134864524
show where it was, it's simple story telling, if goku was able to take beerus to 70% just in god mode, then he would have no problem taking him on before freeza showed up.
>>134864565
where's your proof that he was stronger? you have none, goku explains he got a taste of God power, thus his blue form, but they never state that blue was stronger.
>>134864570
>show where it was, it's simple story telling
>no citation
I accept your concession.
>>134864607
there was no concession you shit lord, you have no proof either so all your banter is fucking moot.
>>134864603
>where's your proof that he was stronger?
You're the claiming that they trained in order to get a weaker version of SSG. Now it's time for you to prove it. Burden of proof.
>>134864563
Goku nearly killing Krillin with one punch
>>134864627
*the one claiming
>>134864625
So you have no proof of what you're saying?
>>134864627
ok, then why is vegeta, now as strong as goku? he never went god mode, yet now he's stronger than ssjg?
where is your proof that Blue is stronger, stop being a hypocritical faggot
>>134864653
neither do you it would seem.
>>134864682
SSB being stronger than SSG after intense training makes more sense than your fanon, tho.
>>134864627
I am claiming that they are training to gain the same power of ssjgod, with out needing other saiyans you fucking moron.
>>134864667
Because he was training with Whis. Duh.
>>134864627
Why did you assume they aren't still training?
They'll most likely reach SSJG power and probably surpass it on their own, their just not there yet.
>>134864719
so no proof, I accept your concession.
>>134864729
Nice headcanon.
>>134864754
>he has no proof with his claim yet asks me for proof when all I said was he's wrong and he should prove his claim
Burden of proof.
>>134864763
so he got there in a matter of months? you don't seem to understand the point of train and the struggle
>>134864763
I accept your concession.
So why cant super cyan just be 91% as strong as beerus if ssg was 90%
That seems to be the best middle of the road solution here.
>>134864879
well toriyama went on record saying goku in god mode was able to push beerus to 70%.
my thought in the matter was since they got this radical power up by sharing ki it's natural that they would want to achieve it on their own, goku even says that in the movie, so now to activate that God ki, goku and vegeta have to train to get that ki and go beyond what was felt from ssjg.
there are some people who are saying they are already there, but if this was true why does goku need to train with whis when he would be supposedly stronger than god alread? the answer is that goku has to train to gain that power again so he doesn't need the whole saiyan holding hands bit.
>>134864879
or its just neither are stronger ssj blue was just a means of achieving the same power as ssjg with out the saiyan ceremony
>>134863458
Fuck you, Tao Pai Pai was stronger than him! Goku didn't even put up a fight against him!
This fanbase is full of jackasses
>>134863010
>That's like saying SSJ3 is a Super Saiyan recolor of Raditz with little tweaks here and there.
A----are you fucking serious,.
The guy is blue Freeza.
We cannot, we CAN NOT be this fucking desperate to defend everything and anything Super does to ignore the fact that we have a literal Freeza recolor in the line up there.
>>134865077
oh yeah, though this one has shoes, but did you look at the namek recolor?
>>134859925
You and your friend are retarded.
>>134865077
Frieza has a race you know.
>>134865246
it's a clan aparently, his race however is that he's alien, and his clan are of mutants of that family. though that doesn't make much sense.
>>134865077
Fucking hell there are actually people denying that it's just recolor of freeza.
>>134865363
was there?
>>134865445
Can you just read on what they have been arguing earlier instead of asking me.
>>134865498
sarcasm
>>134865648
Oh shit now I look like a bitch don't I
>>134865678
nah just bask with me
Why are you all being fucking fags. Everyone else in the damn series has super muscles? Can you guys not take a joke and accept that this guy is more than outer appearance.
It's sad when you guys don't even understand something as simple as this.
>>134864975
>there are some people who are saying they are already there, but if this was true why does goku need to train with whis when he would be supposedly stronger than god alread?
The main issue is that you're mixing up movie with the tv show. In Super, it was said that Goku (in SSJ) was just as strong as SSJ God after he absorbed its power - and it was never stated just how much power Beerus used against him.
So you can have Goku surpassing SSJ God afterwards with training, but still being bellow Beerus even with SSJGSS.
>>134866108
yes it was, in an interview with toriyama he said goku was able to get beerus up to 70% here I'll find you the interview
>>134864563
Mr. Satan and Gohan play fighting over Pan.
>>134866108
sorry that took so long it was in the movie beerus said he used about 70%
but here it says ssjgod is 6 to beerus 10. whis being 15
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/
>>134860038
>DBZ
>serious
>where everyone is named after food, devils, cooling appliants, etc
Please fuck off back to Toonami Ball Z.
>>134867170
the comedy was better handled when ocean dub it, that's for sure.
>>134865077
SSJ3 is Blonde Radtiz.
Also, as opposed to Golden Freeza?
>>134864794
>so he got there in a matter of months?
So you're saying they trained to become weaker than SSG?
>>134865363
see >>134867323
Nostalgia glasses, man.
>>134867323
Super Saiyan 3 also has no eyebrows, a huge forehead plate thing, lightning and weird pupils.
>>134865077
>we have a literal Freeza recolor in the line up there.
That's like saying Gohan is Little Yamcha.
>>134867420
see >>134863010
>That's like saying SSJ3 is a Super Saiyan recolor of Raditz with little tweaks here and there.
>little tweaks here and there
If no eyebrows and bangs is the best excuse you have for that, then you have no place to criticize the Freeza thing.
>>134864794
>you don't seem to understand the point of train and the struggle
>he trained hard to be even weaker than his SSG form
Nice logic, man.
>>134864794
>I accept your concession.
Concession of what? The burden of proof of your claim that SSGSS is weaker than SSG is on your hands.
>>134867343
what? no I'm saying they are training to get there, and beyond. goku didn't keep all the god ki right, so now he has to train what he does have to surpass the previous god mode. blue is going to get him there he's just not there yet. remember he didn't keep all the god power at the end of battle of the gods, so now we got a demi god who doesn't need the hand holding.
>>134864392
They fucked up because they regret putting Beerus on SSJG level. So they increased beerus power so he can be stronger than Saitama and Superman.
DBS has shit quality so they had to give a shit excuse to the fandom to like this shit
>>134867473
wow you're retarded. they littereally just said he didn't keep all the god power. did vegeta keep his power after he got his tail cut off in the saiyan saga? no, so now goku wants to train by his own streagth to get that same power. it's not that hard.
>>134867499
I accept your concession
>>134867602
strength*
>>134867602
>wow you're retarded
Ad hominem.
>littereally
Irony.
>>134867602
>I accept your concession
No one ever said in DBS that SSGSS is weaker than SSG. That's a fact.
>>134867695
no one has said the other way either
that's a fact
I accept you concession
>>134867667
>proven to be retarded
> resort to spelling nazi
you sure got me kiddo
>>134867799
>no one has said the other way either
So what you're saying is fan canon or head canon.
Thanks for confirming.
>>134867870
I accept your concession.
This is so fucking retarded. Vegeta had to intentionally lower even his base powerlevel to allow Crilin to hit him. Goku was still in SSJ God Form which means his base powerlevel is beyond fucking retarded even without any boosting or charging up, yet a stupid machine laser KO'ed him.
The only thing more insufferable than this asspull are the people trying to defend it.
>>134867910
Concession for what? You're the one who admitted it's just your headcanon.
>>134868162
SSGSS is weaker than SSG.
>>134864375
>In the same film Whis states to goku that he drops guard to easily and it will lead to his downfall
>In the SAME FUCKING film he got his lesson when some fucktard turd blasted his chest with laser
This only explains the power of bad writing, not how a puny laser could rape Goku.
>>134868187
I accept your consession
>>134868278
I wasn't the one who conceded that his argument is headcanon tho.
>>134868187
you did too
>>134868210
What the literal fuck does that have to do with anything?
>>134868297
yes you did
>>134868311
>>134868338
I conceded nothing but you admitted that your argument is headcanon.
It's like Gilgamesh being taken down by Bart Simpson.
And there's people defending it.
>>134868318
Goku in SSGSS is vulnerable to lasers.
>>134868348
don't try to deny it
>>134864443
I accept your concession
Do you /v/ermin realize Dragonball is a comedic series for children? If not, you now know. If so, then what the fuck are you doing with your life complaining that a goddamn children's cartoon isn't serious enough for you?
>>134868386
have you been to 4chan before?
welcome to a world of pure autism
>>134868384
I wasn't the one making the claim that SSGSS is weaker than SSG tho.
>>134868370
Not really, he had his guard down and was also weakened by Frieza and Whis.
>>134868423
Have you? A few years ago these shit threads would be ignored, not getting 500+ replies every single day.
>>134868441
Why would Goku intentionally lower his power-level "to a minimum" ?
Answer this, fucklord.
>>134868433
yet you were using your own head canon?
I would say kettle meet pot
but
I accept your concession is much better
>>134868461
ignored? yet you are here? in /a/ not /v/ strike one broseph.
>>134868465
because keeping his power at maximum is tiring and a waste of energy.
>>134868465
Calm down retard, he thought the fight was over because Frieza was losing power by the second see webm his punch did shit to Goku.
>>134868526
no you are using head canon with no logic but next transformation must be more powerful.
nice try with the pic though v has been splattering it all over the place.
>>134847525
What's wrong with that? You do realize beerus is a fucking cat right?
>>134848378
>le
Fuck off
>>134868582
>next transformation must be more powerful
That's logic
>next transformation is weaker than previous one
This is headcanon.
>>134868525
So powerlevels can either be at miminum fuck-to-nothing where everything kills you and maximum, tiring and waste of energy?
Nice bullshit anon.
>>134868553
Parroting the same answer over and over isn't gonna work anon. Why would goku intentionally make himself super-vulnerable (like vegeta did) rather than get back to his base or middle ground state?
>>134868629
yeah that's why gohan got super strong after becoming mystic than super saiyan oh wait he stayed in his base form!
so much for your logic!
I accept your consession
>>134864570
Goku literally says he's stronger in SSB. Have you watched the fucking preview for the next episode?
>>134868661
>Pointing out facts isn't gonna work anon.
I accept your concession then.
>>134868661
angry retard, I know it's hard for you to grasp, but lazers kill people, even gokus, when freeza was on the ground goku's gaurd was down. deal with it
>>134847525
>Why
It has been explained multiple times, fuck off retard.
>>134868553
I will never stop loving DB.
>>134868681
>literally
no he didn't
Yeah, its a crappy shit that faggot
>>134868553
>Frieza's attacks barely scratch some rock
This dude destroyed fucking planet without even trying. What the hell.
>>134868703
>>134868710
still waiting for answer >>134868465
There's a big difference between relaxing and putting yourself down to 90° like Vegeta did.
>>134868710
>gaurd
The fact that you can't even spell the term right tells a number about what you know.
see
>>134868803
>>134868525
you are a real special kind of retard aren't you
>>134868803
You have already gotten your answer but you didn't except it.
>>134868861
That's like pretending people can only run fast as fuck or walk slow as a snail, it still makes no sense.
Why would goku put himself into super-vulnerable state (like Vegeta did) instead than his base non-tiring powerlevel?
Still no answer in sight.
>>134868733
Yes he did. It's right here.
https://a.pomf.cat/xsnrpn.webm
>>134868733
>>134868758
I had to literally stream the fucking episode because you cockmonglers are incapable or watching a fucking preview, sasuga /a/.
>>134868873
>except
>>134847525
You people have no taste
This guy is almost as cool as mr satan
>>134868831
making a big deal over a typo! wow you are smart!
spelling nazi on the internet has no leg to stand on so he must insult typos.
I accept your consession.
