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>Bat blown the fuck out for 15 minutes straight
Great episode
>>134706290
It was fun when best girl Snake stabbed her repeatedly.
it's amazing to me that people actually watch this garbage
Monkey rekt her so hard.
>>134706290
>>134706536
>>134706594
So far every post including this one has been trash ITT.
When will anon come save the day?
>>134706624
Fuck you.
My job here is done.
>spam threads with the same message for hours
>create multiple troll threads for it
>>134706703
Monkey cements herself as best girl, again.
Batfags on suicide watch after she drops to second worst after Snake.
>>134706290
>16 year old teenagers know more about life and relationships than adults hundreds of years old
Sasuga Japan truly an intellectual show with realistic drama and deep dialogue
Also who the fuck was the blonde dude. Im suppose to know who he was but he never appeared in anyother arc. Wtf was that about. Having a non linear overall plot is cool and all but that shit was sloppy
>>134706888
>Im suppose to know who he was but he never appeared in anyother arc.
He was in Tsubasa Tiger. Stop skipping arcs.
>>134706888
He was in Bake and Neko Shiro, if you skip arcs don't blame the show.
>>134706888
You mean more than a vampire who lived 598 years without actually interacting with people who weren't worshiping her, therefore never finding someone to actually treat as her equal and have a healthy relationship with? Seems pretty normal.
>>134706594
They like pausing the episode to read the sentences that appear on screen for less than a second, its a fetish
>>134706888
>who the fuck was the blonde dude.
>wtf
You are retarded and new. Kill yourself.
>>134707203
That, and no matter the age, it's not exactly uncommon for people to run away from uncomfortable situations, especially ones close to the heart like romance.
And Araragi is wrong about this being the first time Shinobu was called out, doesn't he remember Hanekawa pretty much did the exact same thing in Kizu by revealing her plans to let Araragi kill her so he could become human again.
She even stood up to Kisshot threatening her to shut up with those crazy laser eyes. Fuck man, just reminding myself of it brings up all of her bro moments.
Kind of depressing how people forget these awesome Hanekawa moments when they are all over the series.
>>134707736
People tend to remember those who do rather than those who give advice, and rightfully so.
>>134707736
That wasn't Hanekawa beating Shinobu 1 on 1. That was Hanekawa throwing a wrench into Shinobu's plan from the sideline. What Hanekawa did was very similar in nature to how Oshino and the Vampire Hunters utilized circumstance against her.
Also OP is a baiting retard. Shinobu being wrong about something is nothing new and wasn't the point of the exchange. If he couldn't make shitty threads like these he'd be making shitty threads calling Shinobu a mary sue.
>>134708187
That doesn't really make sense though, since she did do sonething. She pointed out the fallacy of Kiss-shot fighting for vengeance when it really suicide by cop and she had feelings for Araragi.
It's no different than what Kanbaru did her, which was effectively talked her down.
The situations are pretty much the same. The only difference would be Hanekawa attacked Kiss-shot with logic and revealed her true motive to be killed by Araragi to have him return to being human, whereas Kanbaru evoked emotion by hitting at Shinobu's skittishness at settling things, which makes sense because she could relate to being the lover who waited for an answer.
first minion is pretty cute
>>134708443
Don't see the difference I'm afraid. Oshino and the Vampire Hunter underhandedly tripped her up at a moment of weakness, Hanekawa called her out upfront under threat of death lasers, about how she was running away from the prevailing issue of Araragi and her feelings for her by suiciding under the facade of a deathmatch.
>>134707569
Anyone else buying the translated Kizu novel that's coming out in two days? The cover looks really nice.
>>134708745
Even after all this time I still fucking hate this fucking cat.
>>134708796
>>134706536
SHAFT didn't have the guts to gore her, sadly. Was it more brutal in the novels?
I really hated Kanbaru in this episode.
>>134708993
Same what a cheeky cunt
>Araragi loves Bat
>but he has Crab
>Crab appears only in the end of Vol 3 as reminder of her existence
Fuck this shit
>>134708993
I'm sorry about your chronic shit taste anon.
When do we get to the interesting parts with Ougi again? She really makes every scene better.
>getting BTFO by monkey of all people
Just end yourself Batfags
>>134709052
I find the shafting of Crab pretty hilarious. Nisio is such a shitty writer.
>>134709060
I usually like her, just not the way she was in the last episode.
>>134709112
>not expecting it from monkey
full pleb
>>134709052
He loves Cat too, it's not the first time this has happened. Relationships tend to be teased and twisted in this show.
Fun fact, Cat is the one that helps plan the date shown later on. I wonder how the Crabbros feel about that.
>>134709149
What was wrong in the last episode?
It was the side of monkey we all know is there, hinted at in nise and shown in hana.
She's not afraid to layout the hurt, just avoid doing it to Araragi.
>episode is moderately interesting
>enjoying it
>gaen comes in out of nowhere
>>134708699
>Oshino and the Vampire Hunter underhandedly tripped her up at a moment of weakness
So being blindsided by an outsider when she's in the middle of a battle to the death isn't a moment of weakness? Nice logic.
Hanekawa didn't challenge Shinobu, she spilled the beans to Araragi who changed his course of action against Shinobu's will.
>>134709274
She was in it for like 20 seconds, curb your autism.
>>134709301
>someone at SHAFT made a conscious decision to show gaen for twenty seconds instead of adding a panty shot
>>134706888
>Not reading Kizu
You only have yourself to blame
>>134709274
>gaen comes in out of nowhere
Get ready for this shit again in Owari S2
>>134709052
Unless Shaft skip it, next episode will have Senjougahara at the start
>>134709274
>gaen comes in out of nowhere
Sounds like the plot to a doujin that needs to be made.
It's your usual Araragi/X girl doujin and then halfway through Gaen just walks onto the screen and spends the next ten pages insulting Araragi and telling him to take responsibility.
>>134706888
Kizu's been translated for like 7 years man.
>>134709791
>advertised as vanilla shinobu doujin
>gaen kills the erections of more than a thousand japanese males
Not a bad idea senpai
>crab irrelevant
>snake irrelevant
>cat was great during the last arc
>doll as cute as usual
>bat getting some much needed talking to, still love her though
>used to be iffy on Monkey, but she's been fantastic so far
>lots of Ougi
Literally only thing missing is Hachikuji and she'll show up in the next cour/season.
AOTY.
>>134708845
Why aren't all light novels like this? Single volume instead of dozens, good looking cover and average length instead of being super short.
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>>134709194
She was way too preachy and just baselessly assumed how other people felt. Even though it turned out she was right, I really hate that.
It's the same as when Araragi told Sodachi that it's completely her fault that she's not happy.
I'm not wishing the characters would act differently though, because then they wouldn't be who they are. It's just something I don't like.
>>134710541
>paperback
I can't give less shit about it if it's not hardcover.
>>134709189
>nisio fellating cat once again
shit writing. fuck this shitty series
>>134710677
>baselessly assumed
If she was wrong then the conversation would never have gotten that far. The fact that her hunch turned out to be correct is what turned it into something preachy as the argument continued.
>Araragi told Sodachi that it's completely her fault that she's not happy.
That was Hanekawa. It would be pretty presumptuous of Araragi to say that since he doesn't have any personal experience in that direction.
This arc has been pretty boring honestly. Sodachi arc was a lot more interesting.
>>134710541
Most of the people writing LNs are basically fanfiction-tier authors who happen to have access to an editor and illustrator. Nisio Isin is way above them in terms of both the quality and quantity of the work he produces. He is, at the least, at the level of an actual novelist in that he actually has the ability to construct a coherent story with thematics and without most of the horrible LN cliches.
What I wish I knew is how good his use of language is, as that's what separates a competent novelist from a good one. Alas that I do not know Japanese.
>>134710677
She was not too preachy, she knew how the second felt and that bat was being unfair. Just because bat got btfo does not mean you're clear to dismiss it.
And it was Sodachi's fault she was not happy, she even admitted it herself. Her circumstances are beyond her control but how she reacts and deals with them isn't.
>>134710788
>not wanting cat to receive fellatio from the author
>>134709280
She was throwing the fight from the start, it wasn't even a battle to the death, that was the point. Hell, it's made plainly obvious she is fighting purely on Araragi's level.
Hanekawa called her out, but Kisshot could have easily killed her and threatened to do so. In fact, killing her would have helped her plans, because it would have both shut her up and make Araragi enraged enough to finish the job by taking all her blood. Hanekawa was in the weaker position.
It may have stopped Araragi from fighting her, but it equally took the wind out of her sails.
>>134711057
the author has been wanking over her for almost 10 years. it's shit. any series is immediately better when the author treats their characters equally.
>>134711209
He's been wanking over cat, bat and monkey equally.
>>134710982
>What I wish I knew is how good his use of language is, as that's what separates a competent novelist from a good one. Alas that I do not know Japanese.
The only things I can actually use as a comparison are non-fiction books I read for university but I think I can safely say it's pretty damn good. his linguistic proficiency becomes obvious when you start getting all the wordplay, but even before that when I first started Bake I didn't know as much moon as now but I could tell how good his writing sounds.
His way of phrasing things may appear overly convoluted to some but it manages to stay smooth and has its charm in my opinion.
>>134711259
>bat
Nisio has been shitting all over her in this arc
>monkey
What is Hana? He treats her fairly.
>>134711209
Considering she is one of the characters who has some of the shittiest circumstances even after her self-acknowledgement, he treats her in an objectively meh way. He more uses Hanekawa as a problem fixer, has some dialogue about Koyomi or the exorcists/ kaii being impressed/scared/envious of her, and then she goes off until she is needed again, despite all the context she gets. It's pretty maddening.
In fact, he is giving more hints to Kanbaru getting into being a specialist, despite the fact the series all but puts in big neon flashing lights that Tsubasa is specialist material.
Nisio treats the special, genuis characters pretty harshly.
>>134707007
>Bake
In what episode of Bake does Episode appear?
>>134710677
Nisio had specifically laid the volume out so that Kanbaru would seem unreasonable and presumptuous at first, and by the end show her insight. Even Gaen and Araragi were in line with Shinobu on the issue, Kanbaru was the outlier.
The goal was never to place the blame on Shinobu, it was to show how convincing Kanbaru was by pitting everyone, including the viewer, against her and slowly turn things around by the end.
>>134711457
Sure, and Neko Kuro really portrays Hanekawa as the best thing ever, right?
>>134710710
Autism
>>134711198
Kissshot couldn't kill Hanekawa. The whole point of Araragi killing her was so he could go back to his normal human life guilt-free. If she killed Hanekawa, Araragi's human acquaintance, she would have failed that objective.
Hanekawa, who saw through Kissshot's plan, was probably fully aware of this.
>>134711561
Compared to how he portrayed Araragi and Meme in that arc then yes, easily.
>>134711457
Giving a character development is shitting all over?
Sorry your autistic 600 year old perma-virgin isn't perfect.
What the fuck did you expect?
And I said he's wanking over cat, bat and monkey as in he's actually developing their characters and making them fleshed out and complex. Because those characters are his favorite.
>>134711519
Damn really? As a fan of monkey's antics I never saw anything wrong with what she was doing.
Maybe just because I could see through her thin veneer of jokes at the start that she was hurting inside.
>>134711666
Araragi and Meme weren't the ones going around attacking random people.
>>134711372
I've been told that it's almost like reading poetry.
>>134711519
I don't think Kanbaru was supposed to seem completely unreasonable in the beginning - she obviously identifies with the First since she had a similar experience with Gahara and Araragi, and so she's only speaking from what she knows.
>>134711798
Surely you mean pottery?
>>134711762
Yet the whole point of the arc made it seem as if they were in the wrong. Not Hanekawa. Even when she's supposed to be in the wrong the author makes it clear that the characters around her are even more "wrong".
>>134711798
That may be a bit too much, japanese poetry sometimes need a "translation" to even be understood if I remember correctly. That said, I find it really pleasant to read.
>>134711643
>guilt-free
Which is the sticking point, even taking out the context of her suiciding for him, she should have seen that he would feel bad anyway because he got to like her. There was no way for him to be guilt free in any respect. The closest would be to cloud that guilt with avenging his lost friend.
>>134711882
Not at all. Hanekawa is easily the most wrong in that arc, and the author makes it clear that Araragi felt betrayed by this. Araragi's own actions are suicidal and brash, but not immoral.
>>134708876
no the novel is just words
>>134711882
No, they made it clear her taking out her stress on other people was wrong. The only positive part to it was Araragi figuring out Hanekawa had control all along, because the people were only slightly fatigued, unlike the parents, and Oshino was tired, but well off even after 200 battles with him(as well as her warning him to stay away).
It was to say that her kindness isn't all a facade, and that she isn't a remorseless killer, not to say she is a saint, she still played around with an oddity's powers and made a nuisance of herself. But at the end of the day, she came running when Araragi sent a text saying he was in trouble.
Also, quite a few of the people who hear Oshino's monologue about the parents are on their side, not Hanekawa's. Which baffles me, but it's true.
>>134712304
Nobody is on the parent's side, they just aren't on her side either.
Blame isn't a zero sum game. Claiming she has a share of the blame does not diminish her parent's responsibility.
>>134711750
>>134711827
She was told by GAEN not to look at things with such a romantic viewpoint. Gaen, who knows everything. In fact, most of Shinobu's responses to Kanbaru was a combination of repeating what Gaen herself already said, and telling Kanbaru not to be such a nosy and presumptuous brat.
Yes Kanbaru had a reason to be emotionally invested, but she was clearly portrayed as being the offending party in the beginning.
There's actually a pretty huge amount of subtext going on in this arc, because Kanbaru, Shinobu, and Araragi are all extremely subtext-heavy characters. Looking at it as nothing but "Shinobu got told" is a massive over-simplification and a disservice to all involved parties, particularly Kanbaru who was the key player.
>>134712304
>>134712402
The factual parts of Oshino's arguments are completely sound. The presence of someone with superhuman perfection can have a negative effect on people around them. Is it also the fault of the people for letting her perfection affect them that way? Of course. But it means she isn't faultless, and it's the irregularity of her existence that's the source of the problem.
Obviously, Oshino also has some personal dislike for Hanekawa and it bleeds into his argument, but his main point makes sense. Plus, he's probably saying all that because he has a hunch Araragi wants to sacrifice himself, and is trying to give him a reason not to.
>>134712059
You're cherrypicking. Kissshot had two conditions: Guilt free, and normal human life.
She can't kill any human acquantance of his because they're part of that life.
>>134709096
We won't, unless owari is a two cour. We still have mayoi hell and hitagi rendezvous before ougi dark.
>>134712480
>believing Gaen actually knows everything
Who do you think wrote this story? A 12 year old?
Both Kaiki and Gaen tell Kanabru to not take such a romantic view, but that's because they are broken and cynical adults, not because love doesn't exist.
>>134709791
I never understood what they meant by take responsibility in those doujins
>>134712480
Even if Kanbaru is a hopeless romantic she was right on the spot. Gaen also started teasing Araragi with her passive-agressive bullshit to grind his gears regarding the first servant.
>>134712640
Not too mention Kaiki immediately admits that she's pretty much right.
>>134711501
He flashes briefly on screen during the kizu summary in episode 1.
>>134711692
>autistic 600 year old perma-virgin
that can be changed
>>134712640
>what is narrative presentation
Gaen is easily one of the most credible speakers in the series. Kanbaru doesn't have the same record.
>>134712640
>but that's because they are broken and cynical adults
The only adult character in the monogatari series is Kanbaru's mom.
>>134712402
The problem I see with that is the whole thing seems erroneous. You're asking a child to take responsibility for her parents because she is too talented by them, even when they already hated each other and her for no reason other than selfish abandonment of responsibility and wanting to look good in society.
Asking the child to shoulder the responsibility of standing up to said parents and risking the extremely messy backlash is unreasonable. The majority of abused children will fall back onto conforming to cope with the situation. It's like how Araragi's parents half-assed attempts to extricate Oikura from her abusive household met with failure. You can't expect a child raised that way to magically understand on their own that the abuse is not their fault and they need to assert themselves. That takes time and DIRECT effort to resolve.
Also her establishing her own identity by asking for a room in Tiger may have given her a road to follow, but it didn't solve the issue about the family itself, she could only accept having to abandon getting along with them after graduation. That put everything on her shoulders to bear.
>>134712968
Don't forget Mamaragi and Senjou's dad. The exorcists act like a bunch of manchildren. I'd say Meme is the most mature of the bunch.
I am sorry but since when was Kanbaru this sharp and quick witted to outsmart Shinbu? Huh?
>>134712787
I never said she wasn't. Read my posts again.
Gaen vocally denied the romance narrative. She most likely meant to make Araragi jealous as a servant, not realizing she was striking another nerve as well.
>>134713051
Kanbaru was mainly projecting her life situation. She didn't say anything that complicated but it ended up being relatable to Bat.
>>134713051
She didn't appear sharp and quick witted. She just spoke from the heart.
>>134713051
Since always. She acts like a fool in order to be liked, or else she would end up like Rouka.
>>134712891
I guess.
But biases come into play here and I hate Gaen and want her to be wrong and the opposite is true for monkey.
>>134713031
>Meme is the most mature of the bunch.
The salty guy who get butthurt a teenage girl is on par with him in wit as an amateur to exorcism but yet will take advantage of her talent when he can? Mature? No way.
>>134713211
that speaks volumes about how immature the other exorcists actually are.
>>134713051
Have you watched any of the series? All of her conversations with Koyomi are witty. Like Snake, her air headedness is an act.
>>134713211
Am I missing something? When did that happen?
>>134712976
No anon, I'm asking cat to take responsibility for her actions. Even if her actions are influenced by her parents she is still responsible for her actions.
>>134713318
Snake is an idiot though, she is just a liar about being shy and submissive.
>>134713051
A broken clock is right twice a day. Kanbaru's romance-obsessed vision of everything around her happened to line up very well with the tense romantic conflict that Shinobu and Araragi were desperately trying to avoid.
That's one of the ways the events can be viewed anyway. The other is that it's a story showing off Kanbaru's innate specialist talent as part of the Gaen clan.
Nisio loves his dual narratives.
>>134713318
snake is a legitimate autist since she feels no remorse
>>134713410
A real idiot wouldn't be capable of being manipulative and deceitful.
>>134713149
>>134713434
Except monkey always came off as sharp and quick witted. She was just also very self depreciating and insecure.
She never actually comes of as an idiot so I don't know why people are surprised by this.
>>134713472
So what you are saying is she is a sociopath?
>>134713497
Yes they would. Obviously she is not clinically retarded but it doesn't take a mastermind to lie to someone.
I would say she's she second last in terms of intelligence when it comes to the monogatari cast.
>>134713522
There's a difference between not being an mentally handicapped and being able to notice something Gaen didn't, you know.
>>134713497
She doesn't even realise that she's those things. She's an idiot.
Unrelated but us Gaen a genius or something? How the bloody hell is she always right on everything she says. She is never wrong.
>>134713729
It's her power she got by exchanging it for her sense of fashion and charisma.
>>134713729
The phone theme seems to imply she's just really, really well-connected.
>>134713900
So in other words the internet does have all the answers? I am now imagining Gaen googling everything that she needs to know.
>>134713900
So connected she can tell the exact events conspiring 400 years ago even better than Shinbu?
>>134714018
It is the sort of thing specialists would have figured out from stuff people would record or pass down. Collecting tales of weird stuff (and passing it on) is a big part of their job. Kiss-Shot simply ran away and avoided thinking about it.
>>134714209
Speaking of which, has Shinobu ever directly talked about how vampire memory works after centuries?
disgusting slut. if monkey wasn't a lesbian she'll be the best for araragi
>>134715194
Where are her panties?
>>134715382
Not wearing panties is something the best girls have in common.
>>134713729
>Unrelated but us Gaen a genius or something?
Yes she is. She knows everything, there isn't a thing she doesn't know.
She even knows the meaning of life!
>>134706795
Underrated post.
>>134706290
Worst part is that they were only saying gibberish.
>>134711053
Nah, it was only subjective garbage, this episode was stupid. And the first almost killed Araragi, why is koyomin so useless?
>>134715968
It was not subjective, Bat was objectively screwing everything up by running away.
You sound like a buttblasted and insecure batfag
>>134708187
Hanekawa does things all the time. Shame you have shit for brains and skip out all the times she saved Araragi and the rest. Just because she doesn't punch people doesn't mean she doesn't "do" things.
Filthy secondary
>>134713186
Gaen knows everything though.
>>134715791
Welcome to Monogatari.
>>134716012
>a buttblasted and insecure batfag
So just a batfag?
>>134716059
>Hanekawa does things all the time.
Of course she does. She's the author's favorite and she can never be wrong. fuck her.
>>134706594
I'm seeing this sentiment more and more these days and it can only be a good thing.
>>134716091
Anon if someone from a story keep claiming to know everything the only thing you can know for sure is that they fucking don't.
>>134707203
We could all learn a thing or two about meaningful relationships from a bunch of cartoon characters with extreme characterization and fetishization.
>>134716177
>Being this salty
Golden
>>134715791
The show is actually aired in japenese anon. If you look around you should find some versions uploaded with subtitles of a language you can understand.
>>134716209
But she is Meme, Kaiki and Kagenui senpai
>>134716222
>salty
enjoy your perfect mary sue waifu devoid of good writing
Gaen knows everything.
Tsubasa doesn't know everything, she only knows what she knows.
Ougi doesn't know anything, Araragi is the one who knows everything.
I think we are up to something here boys.
>>134715791
Mostly but even an idiot should understand the point she was trying to make, which was Shinobu being a little bitch who was too afraid to face him and kept trying to make excuses not too.
>>134716282
>perfect mary sue
I think someone here hasn't read Kizu.
>>134716209
But Gaen actually knows everything.
>>134709146
Half the reason people got so uppity about this series is they proclaimed Araragi and Crab had this amazing relationship that was one of the greatest all time and it's pretty much literally cause of one episode that aired years ago. It's pretty ridiculous how common the whole one magic episode thing is when it comes to fanatic fan type series. Usually it's KEY anime that have historically been the master of such things, similar kinds of fanatic believer type fans too if not more so. Really it took Fate UBW too top them in that category.
>>134716012
Meh, I'm not watching this show for that purpose. And I didn't say the character being subjective was Kanbaru, in fact I meant both of them.
>>134716264
Don't feel offended, that was not my intention.
>>134710982
He's really not, he just has a much more convoluted style of writing in than even the average LN author that makes him look different, more intellectual and like a better writer to people with low standards. It's just as fanfiction-tier when it comes down to it at the end of the day, like he especially loves writing female characters that are pretty much the modern definition of Mary Sue. In this series it'd be Shinobu, in Katanagatari it's Nanami, in Medaka Box it's the titular character herself, though pretty much every character he writes suffers from extreme characterization that makes them arguably just as laughable as any major LN character. I feel like he'd get along with the guy that does Mahouka for example.
>>134709146
How so?
This is why secondaries are not liked anywhere. Just because he's Araragi's gf doesn't mean she needs to be there all the time nor does she need to be the MOST important.
Relationships in Nisio's works are not your 1-dimensional manga relationships. He takes things from real life too and mixes them, there's quite a bunch of people that even if they love their couple will always have a soft spot for someone else, or have someone else they simply will always love more.
But what you permavirgins can't understand is that just because you feel in a certain doesn't mean all other feelings are negated or that you need to act on those feelings. You can be happy by loving someone but not wanting to be with them(like Araragi with Hanekawa). And the fact that he loves other girl doesn't mean or negate his feelings from Senjogahara whom he loves too and wants to be with.
>>134716326
>They.
Not only Kanbaru.
Kanbaru needs to stop reading so many BL
It is blatantly obvious that her opinions about relationships are based on that. Dumb fujoshit.
>>134706888
you forgot the fedora, faggot.
>>134711053
Sodachi didn't admit that it was her fault though, or more accurately she blames herself not because it's reasonable but because it was imprinted through her parents continuous abuse and Araragi even allows her to shift the blame toward him to avoid her need to hate herself and the world instead.
What she took from Hanekawa and Araragi was that she needs to work toward happiness and that it's not something beyond her or anyone for that matter, not that her unhappiness was her fault.
>>134716602
>secondaries
>permavirgins
I don't even disagree with you but quit using buzzwords for no reason.
>>134716774
yet somehow there was truth in her words considering the situation
>>134709491
Why would they skip that?
>>134717048
Because
>Shaft
Very unlikely though, they always deliver on the biannual Crabservice.
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So they definitely fucked right?
>>134717048
For time. The same as they've skipped various other things. I don't think it's likely for that conversation, but it's not like I know for certain.
>>134716803
Because secondaries are the ones that though Senjogahara was THE main girl in the whole story just because the first episodes of the anime focused on her and because she's Durarara's girlfriend, they are the only ones that bitch about her being sidelined later(even if she does have appearances) when if you think about it she has been more of a side character through the whole run, yet those first episodes are engrained in their minds and they can't seem to realize how things work.
And permavirgins because they can't understand relationships are not simple, they're complicated and you can love someone and be extremely happy with them but still have someone else on your mind(this doesn't mean you'll cheat, it just means relationships are not simple)
>>134717311
Not until she's becomes an adult with him and the world being fucked over.
>>134717356
without*
>>134717311
They were clearly getting into it and Kanbaru made a comment in the midst of it about the first one that set Shinobu off
>>134716602
I love how Monogatari fans of all people are always the ones to get this uppity. When talking about delusion they should be the textbook definition.
>>134716602
Is this MALs Moodie or something?
>>134717351
You realize that Bakemonogatari was also the first novel right? It has nothing to do with being a secondary or not.
And most people don't understand relationships, even after being in one.
You're just throwing around needless buzzwords and projecting. And that's why no one is taking you seriously.
>>134717351
Now I really get why Miyazaki said "Fuck otaku scum". You're the textbook definition of the mentality that those people have.
>>134706888
You really have to consider the source on these things. I mean you're talking with weaboo teens that worship a light novel anime that is largely about talking and panty shots that is apparently the deepest thing you can possibly imagine with the cleverest writing an don't intricacies that are strangely only visible to the properly initiated or frankly touched. Even Japan is starting to rip on the Monogatari fanbase more and more with this season as just yet another fanatics group to go along with Key, Type-Moon, Love Live, SAOetc.
In before >but seriously you plebs it really is that deep, if I try to talk big, down to people that adtualy have more sense than me and act like a smug asshole it'll only drive home my righteous points about this masterpiece all the more...to myself and other believers.
>>134717576
>When talking about delusion they should be the textbook definition.
/u/faggots still exist, so no.
>>134717896
At least Love Live don't try to pretend like their favorite show isn't the Citzen Kane of anime.
>>134717576
>he hasn't been to an Eva thread
>>134706888
>funny games US
you're a total pleb, no wonder you dont get bakemonogatari
>>134717767
This whole filthy secondaries thing is just them projecting when they know they've got nothing, it's like their way of trying to bring people down to a level below them in their own heads. Total delusional self justifying stuff. It's either that or face up to reality. It's also why few in the mainstream take otaku seriously and will gladly poor water on their heads at train stations and shame them. They kind of really ask for it. Otaku are like a legit social problem in Japan and it's starting to get that WY over here too with certain franchises fans.
>>134717311
They didn't. The reason their position seems sexual is because Araragi's extremely sexually insecure in this arc. Between his pairing with Shinobu being severed and the original servant suddenly showing up, he basically feels threatened as a man.
There's a lot of talk about Shinobu's fear of meeting the original servant, but it's pretty noteworthy that Araragi was equally if not even more fearful of her doing so.
>>134717955
If it had started as a visual or light novel it probably would. It's always the VN/LN sourcefag types that have the most inflated sense of self worth in how they live and breath their Fates, Clannads, SAO and Monogataris.
I love Bakemonogatari, but I'm 4 episodes into Nisemonogatari and I'm getting a little bored since they haven't actually resolved a single curse.
Can I jump from Nisemonogatari to Owarimonogatari or will I miss out on too much?
>>134718150
>If it had started as a visual or light novel
How would that work on a franchise focused solely on idols? The LNs and manga are just yuri-baiting that the die-hard fans buy, but those were only released after the music, anime and game had been released.
>>134718150
>It's always the VN/LN sourcefag
No, it isn't. Mangafags are equally obnoxious regarding this.
>>134706888
>Also who the fuck was the blonde dude.
>wtf
No wonder you don't remember, you gotta be 18 years old to post.
Don't skip arcs.
>>134718098
>The reason their position seems sexual is because Araragi's extremely sexually insecure in this arc
>>134717658
His post doesn't even make sense as a coherent argument, it's like he's just lashing out at everyone all at once in a typical frothing fanatics defense. Like literally Monogatari Fanbase The Post. You'd think if Isin was actually such a great intricate wordsmith and they spend this much time idolizing him and reading his stuff it'd rub off on them maybe.
>>134718199
If you're this retarded, how did you type that up? Did you caretaker type it for you?
>>134716774
>buttblasted batfags
This arc is glorious
>>134718271
>thought that the first was somehow the actual reason he'd solved every incident from the past and instantly got dismissed by Gaen
>got jealous as fuck at Gaen's teasing
>was reluctant to even leave Shinobu in Kanbaru's care to go shopping
>was uncharacteristically hostile to the original and eager to tell him that Shinobu wouldn't see him
>was about to rush in and interrupt Shinobu and Kanbaru's talk, not even knowing what it was about, unless Yotsugi grabbed him
>needed to ask Kanbaru for advice too once she was done talking to Shinobu
Araragi was making an ass out of himself for the entirety of the arc.
>>134718224
I don't know, I was mainly just making the point that Visual Novel stuff seems to have the most fanatical shit talking fanbases with inflated senses of superiority. One Punch Man is a rare example otherwise but even they are tolerable sourcefag in comparison to say Keyfags who literally will think that shows like Charlotte are flawless masterpieces just cause their Visual Novelist sob story writer is in charge of the scripts. You can basically just ignore like everything these people have to say for the most part these days IMO but for whatever reason people are always eager to believe the LN/VN fags hype and pretentious bullshit ahead of mangafags. It's probably some stupid anti-"normie" thing, like Visual Novels hold more otaku cred and therefore are worth over hyping more and talking up.
>>134718572
Araragi is almost always making an ass out of himself.
>>134716797
No Sodachi herself says she doesn't want to even try being happy because she thinks it will crush her. Her unhappiness is her fault because her unhappiness was how she reacted with her shitty situation. If she wanted to stay angry, self-pitying and unhappy nobody could get her to feel otherwise.
Batfag here who actually enjoyed the Monkey/Bat exchange
>>134718640
Not to this extent, no.
>>134718631
"Primary"fags exist everywhere.
The novel is always better than the movie, the comics did it better, this was much better in the videogame, etc.
It has nothing to do with otaku or japan. Just human nature.
>>134718572
I think you're exaggerating like the faggot you are. Typical of the pseudo intellectual Monogatari fags.
>murrican daytime hours start
>thread instantly filled with underage shitposters
>>134718675
Welcome to enjoying a balanced character that's not a retarded mary-sue.
Now make fun of the other battfags who can't handle her being mistaken with us.
>>134706594
My thoughts exactly. This series has been getting so much hype on /a/ for years, so I figured I'd give it a shot. I only lasted 5 or so episodes. I'm surprised I even got that far.
>Pretentious, asinine dialogue that drones on and on and on
>Wordplay that is lost on English speakers
>Most of the budget is poured into brief moments of shameless fanservice
>Pedophilia and child molestation
>Harem focused around an MC with zero redeemable qualities
>Incest pandering
Oh wait, that's EXACTLY why /a/ loves this garbage...
>>134718805
All batfags are cancer.
>>134718562
There's no need to be this hostile anon. Some series are more disconnected than others.
>>134718930
2deep4u
>>134718660
I said she didn't admit it not that it wasn't her fault. Regardless, it wasn't her fault either, she can't simply decide to move on and be happy after 13 years of strong abuse. At best she would be less miserable if she didn't have her stupid sense of justice that got her 2 years of isolation, but that wasn't really treated in the arc.
>>134718930
frig off mr lahey
>>134718930
>watch 5 episodes
>harem
Try baiting harder
>>134718098
No, the reason their position seems sexual is because lots of people want to see monkey lez it up with a loli
>>134718951
>mfw bat is getting THREE movies and your shit girl is getting NONE
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>>134718930
>I only lasted 5 or so episodes
>incest pandering
Nice try, Pedro.
>>134719067
Lots of people want to see Araragi fuck everyone in the cast but that obviously hasn't happened.
>>134719160
Show isn't over, everyone will get a turn
>>134719087
Thanks for proving his point you retard.
>>134719160
That monkey and araragi haven't fucked yet is literally a crime
>>134719246
Shitposts aren't pointed, anon.
>>134719049
>>134719112
Guess you retards missed the part where this series is posted all over /a/ daily. Even if one never went in a single one of these threads, the webm's depicting these exact things are plastered in just about every thread.
Also,replying to obvious bait.
>>134706290
There is yet again a monogatari running? This is the Call of Duty of anime.
>>134719407
It's worse.
>>134719405
>not replying to obvious bait
how else would we enjoy ourselves?
>>134719475
You. I like you.
>>134708796
I ordered it, yeah.
>>134718930
I like how the wordplay only works when written and the vast majority of fluent native speaking nips can't work it out without the -monogataris 'wink wink nudge nudge let me explain what I just did with that kanji look how clever I am'.
I thought maybe just the show was like that given the medium makes it more difficult but the novels are essentially the same.
>>134706888
>I'd rather take relationship advice from Count Dracula than a normal human
>>134719661
A writer taking advantage of a written medium? What the fuck is wrong with you, Japan?
>>134706888
trying too hard
>>134719745
Look bruv I'm just saying I've read annotated bibles that read less like footnotes than Nisio's asides.
I can't imagine anyone thinking that stick is funny. More like they read through the explanation and go something like "A ha I get it now" while smirking, roughly eleven billion times.
>>134719661
Which completely destroys any value or wit the wordplay has in the first place.
It'd be like a magician performing a trick that goes over everyone's head in the end, and then he goes, "I see! So my trick was far too amazing for you to even comprehend..." Then he explains the whole thing in minute detail, destroying any hope for the crowd to be impressed on their own terms. And even once the audience gets it, the magician was the only once who found it amusing, in a sort of self-satisfying way. Plus, the asshole had the gall to patronize and spoonfeed you his "trick."
>>134718572
>>134718098
I can identify with Araragi since I've been conflicted about this first servant ever since he was mentioned in Kizu. Maybe you can clarify something for me since you seem dedicated to actually discussing the story rather than shitposting.
Shinobu's affection for the first servant mostly stems from that near-death experience, right? I remember the phrase 'suspension bridge effect' being used during that flashback ep in SS, and references to him throughout this arc seems to place a more posthumous reverence on him. Their work together fighting aberrations appeared to have a camaraderie feel as opposed to romantic implications, so I'm kind of hoping I'm right and the end of the novel proves I'm being as irrational in my thinking as Araragi supposedly is.
>>134719946
>Nisio's asides.
Give an example of what you struggled with
>>134719946
>I can't imagine anyone thinking that stick is funny.
You don't have to imagine it, it's already reality. Cognitive dissonance is a bitch isn't it?
>>134720144
Making a servant is the vampire equivalent of sex.
>>134720144
Would it be problem for you if Kiss-Shot had been in love with the guy back when she had been pretending to be a god?
>>134720250
Self insertfags are a fragile bunch.
>>134719849
Sure.
>>134720144
Araragi literally did nothing wrong in this arc. I don't know where that anon is getting all of that.
>>134721037
who is moot
>>134706888
>16 year old teenagers know more about life and relationships than adults hundreds of years old
The show is made for teenagers, of course it's going to side with them and their romantic views on life.
>>134720144
I really can't offer much of anything of value on that subject. Nisio intentionally made everything about Shinobu's history with the first servant vague and highly suspect, as it wouldn't make a good basis for this arc and Araragi's insecure behavior otherwise. It'll most likely be clarified next episode as part of the resolution will very likely involve dispelling Araragi's qualms in regards to the original servant.
As for what actually has been said, yes, it's pretty much just that bit about the suspension bridge effect (and quite a bit of detail about after he became a vampire).
I personally doubt there were any serious sentiments back then. Partially because Shinobu's status as a god (and then a monster) was prohibitive toward it, partially because she was presumably even less mature back then than she is now. No matter what it will only end well for Araragi and Shinobu's relationship, because they're basically the centerpiece of the entire story.er
Not to mention, the servant himself just seems to want to relive his glory days as a warrior by her side, nothing overtly romantic.
That said I'm falling asleep while typing this, so I apologize in advance if my post doesn't answer what you were asking.
>>134720399
he literally did nothing this arc
idk maybe my memory failes me but i think he was more able to think for himself before
he seems clueless about everything currently
If you came inside loli Shinobu would she get pregnant?
>>134720399
Araragi was more butthurt at a guy who said some mean things to Kissshot 400 years ago than he was at Kaiki and Kagenui after they nearly murdered his sisters.
>>134721612
That was more than sufficient. Thank you for your input.
>>134720237
Well yeah I knew that, I was more curious as to the relationship aspect.
>>134720250
Not as much if it had been thoroughly explained earlier, but like >>134721612 said I get the feeling it was kept vague on purpose. I'm not entirely about 'muh purity' I just like Araragi more than this guy based on first impressions.
>>134709146
>Crabfags so salty they claim their waifu's irrelevance is bad writing
>>134722110
What else would it be but the writer's fault?
Crab isn't real you know, she doesn't have a will of her own.
I think you guys tend to forget this
>>134721998
I think you're confused. The one who's acting like a butthurt faggot is the first servant. Araragi is actually acting calm and collected even if he's feeling a bit jealous.
>>134722333
Crab just wants to be a normalfag. It would be bad writing if she DID heavily involve herself in the events of the story.
>>134722333
Crab being irrelevant does not hurt the story.
>>134722333
There is a story and there is Araragi's private life. It is not that weird for a character to want to be with the MC but not be involved in the story. Worse would be to keep pushing her everywhere when she can't really help.
>tfw
>>134722368
>calm and collected
Getting warned not to be so jealous, being called out multiple times on throwing juvenile insults, and nearly killing himself on accident doesn't sound very calm and collected to me.
>>134722333
It's not bad writing just because you don't like it.
>>134721138
a notorious bum driller and founder of 9gag now retired
>>134722537
It does given his track record. Also what the hell you're overreacting about the "insults".
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>>134718199
But Nise ep 4 has the bath scene with Shinobu, legit one of the most fascinating scenes in the whole series.
>>134723332
I get hard just thinking about itWhat gets hard is my penis because I get an erection, in case you didn't get it
>>134718199
>thinking monogatari is about curses and oddities
Are you retarded?
>>134721893
It would be very painful.
