Given that DBZ pretty much wrote the book on Shounen, why do so few series actually reach the kind of scale it was well known for?
In almost every shounen series afterwards, the scale is much lower. The characters can often do very powerful things, but there's none of the "punches send people flying for miles, half the cast can blow up mountains with ease, and shoot laser beams that leave marks on earth visible from fucking space" aspect. Hell, very few anime, manga, or light novels ever each that kind of scale.
I mean, if you're gonna give me a series about people fighting with mediocre writing, at least go full ridiculous/chuuni and make the characters overpowered as fuck. That can be entertaining when done right, much more than badly-written drama that plagues modern shounen and action light novels.
For fuck's sake, the best shounen-style fight in recent memory wasn't even from a goddamn anime or manga.
>>134546417
dbz went to shit because of its scaling.
>>134546544
That's one of the aspects everyone remembers about it though.
I remember being a kid and watching my brother and his friends play Budokai 3, seeing those super moves make fucking nuclear explosions on the earth blew my mind when I first saw it.
>>134546417
Lots of shounen reach pretty close to that scale.
>>134546417
Because power-leveling was the worst thing about DBZ, and it took like 12 years for it to get from kid Goku to that retarded scale.
>>134546698
There's nothing saying you can't have the characters START at that scale from the beginning. Skip all the powerlevel bullshit and start ridiculous from chapter one.
Would be pretty refreshing after all these shit-tier MC's, so long as they do go the Mahouka route and make the MC completely fucking broken.
>>134546970
*don't go the Mahouka route
>>134546544
Just because that's what brought in the cancerous 11 year olds, doesn't mean its bad. To this day the Cell saga still impresses me as some of the finest storytelling in japanese media that i've seen.
>>134549543
First King Piccolo arc was better than anything in DBZ.
>>134546417
Because bigger doesnt always make it better. Toriko is going the DBZ route with its scaling and look how that turned out.
>>134546417
Gurren Lagann is a shounen with even bigger scaling than DBZ
>>134549966
Im starting the anime and I read somewhere they ¨didnt¨ cancel but gave the slot to DB Kai Buu arc in japan in hopes of a new ¨series¨ eventually.
>>134546544
DBZ went to shit because Vegeta spared Cell, and it stayed shit well into Buu
Powerlevels were already crazy from the very beginning (stopping bullets, FTL travel), and it didn't scale in an adverse way
>>134549543
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on the Cell saga. If you're going to praise DBZ storytelling, why not the Freeza saga or the King Piccolo saga?
![DBZ 162 - Breaking Through the Boundaries of the Super Saiyan!! Trunks Summon a Storm.mkv_snapshot_20.00_[2015.12.09_20.23.30].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/aLjCcgl.jpg "DBZ 162 - Breaking Through the Boundaries of the Super Saiyan!! Trunks Summon a Storm.mkv_snapshot_20.00_[2015.12.09_20.23.30].jpg")
>>134552273
Replace your screenshot, goddamn.
>>134552438
Ok.
>>134546417
less limits you put on power, less interesting it becomes.
>>134552802
Like how? Limiters only makes things seem more pretend.
>>134546544
Pretty much. DBZ lack story telling, at least after Freezia saga.
>>134552882
What's wrong with android saga?
>>134552838
uhm, I admit my statement can be deceiving, I'll try to be more clear.
basically, if you put the power on a very big scale,it's easier to make it revolve around raw power. interesting exploits usually fail because they are not simply enough to fullfill such destructive power. if you lower it instead, you get to play around more mechanics (environment, wheater and so on) otherwise ignored if put in a bigger scale
>>134553015
Not necessarily, it's not power as much as it's power inequality. Nearly all of the fights in DBZ were one-sided because the story was about striving for power and who managed to increase theirs more.
>>134553172
oh, but I was not talking about 1v1 situtation, just the power levels the story works around
The carrying on was starting to be like a splinter in my proverbial foot.
>>134546417
>Given that DBZ pretty much wrote the book on Shounen
>Implying
Kinnikuman and Hokuto no Ken m8.
