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fma>brotherhood ... i am the only one?
>>134424815
The patrician way to watch fma is
watch fma till greed is introduced then go to fmab
Same
>>134424815
certainly not, but I liked Brotherhood more.
And yes, I watched '03 original already a decade ago.
>>134424815
Manga>03>Brotherhood
>>134424815
Nope, Brotherhood>03. Bar the rushed start it's better in every regard.
>>134424907
this to be honest
>>134424815
That's true.
>>134424815
kill yourself
>>134424907
>watch fma till greed is introduced then go to fmab
Fuck no, I don't get why people continue to recommend this way. The tone and style are way too different, not to mention there's a few minor story inconsistencies like Barry the chopper dying earlier or the Fuhrer's secretary. Just fully watch one or the other, or both, but don't jump between two different adaptations.
Also >>134425160 has the correct ranking.
>>134424815
>i am the only one?
Yeah.
Only nostalgia fags think 2003 is better.
When I finished watching 2003, I thought "well, that went to shit quickly".
When I finished watching Brotherhood, I was pleasantly surprised it stayed good all the way to the end.
>>134424815
FMA = shitty edgy story with SnK-tier writing
FMAB = battleshounen with good writing
>>134427327
>Fuck no, I don't get why people continue to recommend this way
because the start of fmab is badly paced shit, there too much shit going on, one scene is supposed to be sad but in the next one they are chibi and screaming because is "funny"
It's like, you have 3 meals a day, breakfast, lunch and dinner, it's good if you eat them with time between meals but the start of fmab is like if you ate everything in 30 minutes and you want to vomit
>>134427928
This.
You should just read the manga and watch FMAB only if you want to see some scenes animated.
FMAB has the worst comedy I've seen.
Which isworse?
>>134428767
Milos was pants-on-head retarded.
>>134424815
Patrician taste.
>>134428767
>Fullmetal ANGST vs "Why are we even here": the movie
Tough call. I'd say that the first was worse though, just because of how bland and melancholic it was, especially for the "finale" of 03. Milos is dumb but you can ignore it.
>>134427327
i totally agree... in my personal taste the draws, animations and story from fma is better, but enjoy brotherhood too... both are must see and must be enjoyed like two separate universes to me...(like cmu, tlotr,got,etc)
I have often thought the original got much more shit than it deserved. Fmab was better overall, but the original was still very good. I also liked the original's ending more.
I think there are few thing at which FMA beats FMA:B, like the OST (this includes OPs and EDs).
The intro about alchemy, at the beginning of every episode, in FMA was rather memorable as well.
Nina's episode and Hughes death also had more impact in FMA, in my opinion.
Other than those things, FMA:B was a lot better.
>>134424815
No, I think that's the general consensus around here.
Yea I like fma better than brotherhood.
>>134424815
>i am the only one?
This is so fucking annoying.
>>134428767
I like the way Milos looks as well as some of the fights, the plot is just the standard inconsequential side story lots of shonen action franchises have, whereas Shamballa only has a few kind of cool scenes but makes an already bad ending even worse. I think Milos is worth a watch if you're someone who doesn't mind watching an anime purely for the visuals and are at least kind of familiar with FMA.
Both have their weaknesses and strengths
>>134424907
Yeah that's probably the best way to make up for Brotherhood's pacing, but if you go that far along into the original you might as well finish it.
I'm honestly not sure how anyone can defend what a complete clusterfuck BONES turned the second half of the original into.
>>134424815
Brotherhood has the abortion that is The whole section in the North but every other aspect is miles better
>>134424815
Condemning Ed and Al to dying on the Eastern Front or in a Soviet Gulag automatically makes FMA:B>FMA
Why are people still talking about this series? It had it's time and now there isn't much to say.
>>134432240
It's okay to talk about old shows every now and then, but not just as soon as some crossboarder watches something everyone has already seen years ago.
Back when brotherhood was airing, saying you preferred the first anime was a good way to get flamed by everyone else on the board. Now people are coming around to understanding the first anime really was better. The second was just way too cliche.
>>134424815
2003 is a piece of shit with inferior animation, OST and half fanfiction-tier script, so yeah.
>>134425160
Fucking /thread. I'll never stop agreeing with this.
>>134431554
I only really had a problem with the last 2-3 episodes and the movie of 03. I was fine with the second half otherwise.
>>134432879
Too many characters deluded the central conflict. By the end of the series I hardly even felt like Ed and Al were the main characters anymore. 2003 was more focused, and explored the themes deeper. It also had a better soundtrack and arguably better visual design.
>>134432240
Brotherhood vs. 2003 is the most divisive anime debate since Rei vs. Asuka.
>>134424815
>i am the only one?
Yes
>>134424815I liked both.
Might be nostalgia but I really loved fma 2003 because of it's really bittersweet ending, I still have good memories of ed coming down the rocket ship and winry hugging him and welcoming him back. The bittersweetness of the brothers being together once again but away from winry and their world is just too good.
Brotherhood is just happy go-lucky shounen.
fma is better...(i am? or am i?)
>>134432930
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwzAEwzUI8k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tEj6gXA_eA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv3aUOH635I
Don't you dare talk shit about Oshima Michiru's masterpiece, you piece of shit.
2003 >>> brotherhood
If my first exposure to FMA had been through Brotherhood, I probably would have just disregarded it as some generic battle shounen with better pacing than DBZ, but with an inferior fighting system and action to HxH or Jojo. Most of the things that impressed me about the 2003 anime, in the first place, were absent in Brotherhood.
>>134432930
>2003 is a piece of shit with inferior animation, OST and half fanfiction-tier script, so yeah.
yeah nah kill yourself
2003's ost is on par with brotherhoods if not better, 2003's OP/EDs are also much, much better than brotherhoods, the only good op/ed from brotherhood are rain, again and uso, the rest are trash
nothing beats porno grafitti's melissa or ready steady go
>>134434292
I would not be the weeb I am today if it weren't for Ready Steady Go attracting my attention before I turned off the TV on adult swim.
>>134434348
same, for me it's fma and inuyasha among others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDmINk_SGB0
too good
Should I start my journey with FMA by reading manga first?
>>134434292
Rain is shit tier tho. Just like all 2003 openings except Melissa and Undo.
>>134434450
You can't go wrong with that, but 2003 is really good, and it might be even better if you watch it before reading the manga, since it does deviate a lot.
Homunculus rankings?
For me it's Greed > Pride = Wrath > Lust > Envy > Gluttony > Sloth
>>134434450
2003 + shamballa -> manga -> brotherhood
you can watch brotherhood over the manga if you want
>>134424815
no, but your opinion is shit
I'm considering getting the funimation blu-ray of 03, but I've heard it's an upscale. I can't find much information about it. Does anyone know more?
>>134434170
I agree completely. Like that anyone could die in a casual (and therefore, unexpected) way. Hell, even Marco died off screen. It addead a lot of suspense and a sense that you could never know what was gonna happen next. That gave fights like the Roy vs Pride an autenthic horror vibe.
In Brotherhood, everyhing its generic. It made a big fucking deal for the death of that old ninja and the mustache guy, their deaths were like "woaaaah, so dramatic", so you knew any major character could be in real danger if two secondaries deaths were given so much attention.
>>134434450
Nah, watch 2003 first. Maybe it's just nostalgia because it was what I watched before the manga, but I don't it would be better the other way around.
>>134434519
Are we talking brotherhood/manga homunculus or 2003?
>>134434617
could not be*
>>134434655
Mine was about the manga.
>>134424815
Watch both.
Enjoy both for their differences.
With that said, I prefer the 2003 version, because the manga ending sucked.
>>134428767
Conqueror of Shamballa was a good movie.
>>134434617
>Roy vs Pride
>>134434519
Sloth felt like he was shoehorned in compared to everyone else.
>i was busy building the hole
>i am le fastest homunculus
>i run so fast i smash my face into the closest wall
>i got killed in the 2nd episode i appeared in
>dying is a pain
Good thread, OP. Nobody has ever asked this question on here in the history of 4chan, finally good to have your opinion.
Am I the only one who still hasn't watched this? Was it good? Did Arakawa even have anything to do with it?
People will fight about anything, some people claim that the manga is the best, but at the same time claim that brotherhood is bad (with al their honesty), and that the 03 is better, but brotherhood is based in the manga and 03 is something someone invented with the original characters. I don't get it.
Good bait senpai i fell completely, it's been a while since one of this threads, almost since moot left?
>>134434956
>but brotherhood is based in the manga and 03 is something someone invented with the original characters. I don't get it.
you may have autism, no joke.
>>134434888
Yes.
No.
No.
Not as bad as Shamballa though.
Brotherhood has a more complex, more complete story as a result of being a mostly faithful adaptation of the whole manga. 03 simply has better execution, or maybe I should say it's better executed because the tone is more consistent. 03 never (as far as I remember) portrayed the sillier elements from the manga (like all the silly chibi stuff), so the story elements maintained some level of gravitas. Also the animation and character design has more personality in 03.
>>134434888
>Did Arakawa even have anything to do with it?
>"what kind of movie do you want senpai"
>"just fuck my original work up"nice trips
I'm one of those people who never thought the manga was very good so I prefer 2003 even with the completely batshit ending.
the Manga/Brotherhood ends like a shitty JRPG.
>>134424815
>>134424907
This is pretty good though it does have its issues. THe first half of the original FMA was the best of the two but the last half of Brotherhood is the best of the two.
>>134424815
no. yes.
>>134435370
>The first half
You mean the first 10-15 episodes right? It's not the entire half.
The first quarter
Hey Brotherhood could have been worse. It could have been more like SM Crystal.
>>134424815
Is the OG fma the one with an episode about a girl dressing up in jobs to steal in various places before they burn, and the short blonde guy grabs her tit?
The thing i enjoyed about Brotherhood was the fact that it give it closure. I didn't feel like fanfiction and keep it in one dimension. It's not like the Nazi thing was bad but it's way overused.
Brotherhood all the way
The filler sucked ass in 2003
Real niggas will admit Brotherhood is the superior series.
>>134431554
Dante was more interesting than Father
DESU I prefer 2003 because I thought the manga was insanely boring later but man sharing an opinion with Bob hurts.
>>134435466
yeah it was a filler episode in the 2003 anime
also people tend to forget the god fucking awful chracter introductions in the first episode of broterhood
jesus fucking christ they literally introduce EVERY character from the anime in the first episode
why
>>134435683
>hasn't read the manga
>openly declares it
people like this exist
>>134435683
Literally who?
>>134435683
HxH 1999 vs 2011
FMA 03 ruined Mustang's character and as a Mustangfag that's unforgivable. Also, it didn't develop the side characters as much as brohood and the manga, which is a shame since FMA is one of these few stories were the side characters are as compelling and important as the mains. I can't think of one character I disliked.
>>134435970
Nobody thinks HxH is that good so the bait is not as effective as FMA since it's pretty much the best battle shonen ever and everyone knows it.
Amount of Lan Fan in Bro Hood: Some
Amount of Lan Fan in vanilla: Zero
Bro Hood is thus superior.
However there is never enough Lan Fan
>>134435683
Am I supposed to know who this Bob guy is?
>>134436088
>>134436155
No. Consider yourself lucky that you don't
>>134436095
The opinions of waifufags don't count.
>>134424815
He looks gay as shit in brotherhood
>>134436168
Shitetsu vs 2003 is the most repeated bait on /a/ as in like 3 times a week. And people everytime fall for it.
That should tell you something.
>>134434170
>Most of the things that impressed me about the 2003 anime, in the first place, were absent in Brotherhood.
Ain't that the truth. FMA wouldn't be where it is today if it weren't for the 2003 anime.
>>134436083
Why is Roy such a chink? Isn't he supposed to be German or something?
>>134436088
>brotherhood
>better than HxH
How; like, in which category? What does it even excel at?
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>>134436088
>implying that any version of fma is better than hxh
>>134434157
03 Greed vs Ed shits on every single fight in Brotherhood.
>>134424815
the best is the one that had yutapon in the staff
>>134434157
shit the ost was so fucking good
>>134436410
>>134436482
All versions of FMA are better than HxH.
FMA Manga>HxH Manga
2003>99
Shintetsu>2011
It exceled in every category, characters, character development, fights, story and art.
brown rose best rose
>>134424815
Aside from the rushed start, Brotherhood is clearly superior in art and animation quality, series composition, and character development.
>>134436615
nope
I could argument endless with you but I will just say this
Fma takes a simple premise and does it perfectly without fault but without high heigths of quality
>>134436704
And HxH takes a simple premise and does it badly and without any height of quality.
I could say the same thing. Point is, pretty much everyone thinks FMA is the best battle shonen ever. HxH on the other hand...
>>134436754
don't bother reasoning with hunterfags
>>134436410
To be far, the York New arc is better than Brotherhood, but Brotherhood is better than Greed Island and Chimera Ant.
>>134428767
Literally nothing wrong with milos other than it being kind of boring and un-needed, while the other was offensively bad.
>>134436754
>And HxH takes a simple premise and does it badly and without any height of quality.
No it doesn't
just look at homunculus and the phantom troupe as an example
or the father and meruem, if you can't see the difference then there's not worth in telling you
>I could say the same thing. Point is, pretty much everyone thinks FMA is the best battle shonen ever. HxH on the other hand...
pretty much everyone agrees that fma is simple and done without flaws but it's just it, it's like making mashed potatoes, you do it perfectly it's good but is still just mashed potatoes
>>134436859
Actually, I take this back. Brotherhood is better than York New.
>>134436931
Meruem is a bad character, from the worst arc.
>>134436615
>characters
Are rubbish. The bulk of the antagonists were mere boss fights and even bringing up Mereum just makes this all the more apparent. The story was all over the place and structured around fighting these 1-dimensional caricatures one by one. Very little thematic depth, either. First few episodes were, of course, a mess, and you'd serve yourself just as well, if not better, storywise, by picking up any JRPG and playing through it.
>art/animation
Average, much like everything else in the series. The fights are neither strategic (Hunter x Hunter's are this, along with most fights in Jojo, and some in Yu Yu Hakusho) or visually impressive (Genos vs Saitama, as well as Gaara vs Rock Lee or Archer vs Lancer are this). The tendency to overuse chibi, in some failed attempt at humor, at the worst moments was grating.
>>134436931
Fma 03 is more like a fine red wine. Brotherhood is like a bottle of Mike's Hard Lemonade. HxH is like a 3 course meal made by a moderately talented cook.
>>134437027
if you say so
>>134437167
>i love my snot-nosed waifu, and will kill all humans
I really liked the way 03's movie wrapped things up.
>>134437364
Are you fucking kidding me? Did you even watch it?
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>>134437364
as I said
if you say so, and as I said again, there's no worth in telling you
>>134437442
I wasn't a fan of the movie, but I might be the only one who prefers the 03 ending sans Shamballa.
>>134424815
Manga >Anime
>>134437095
The fights in Brotherhood also had very little thematic depth. It's why it was so surprising to see King Bradley vs Scar because just about any other fight that came before simply felt like quirky boss fight.
>>134437549
it was rather sad wasn't it
>>134437494
Yes. Meruem is not a sympathetic character at all. None of the Chimera Ants are.
>>134437549
03 ending was infinitely better than Shamballa. It actually created that bittersweet feeling where both brothers' actions had legitimate consequences.
>>134437625
You're just being stubborn. Lots of ants were clearly sympathetic, including Colt, Reina and Ikalgo. But your hatred of the moral ambiguity of Pitou and Meruem makes me think you might also be a brotherhood fan.
>>134436088
>>134424815
Nah, 03 FMA was amazing, Brotherhood was disney-tier shit.
>>134424815
op's_opinion.jpg
>>134437364
You're a fucking retard.
Both are shit, I would rather watch Naruto
>>134437364
>kill all humans
Meruem's character arc (which is something none of the Sins or Father, in Brotherhood, were even fortunate enough to have), involved moving a way from this and instead into a desire to rule over humanity, from everything he had seen within his caricature of North Korea, far more effectively than humanity was actually capable of ruling itself. And through his experience with Komugi, and watching her skill at Gungi, learning to consider the possibility that despite his own great power, that their exist beings who excel in completely different fields or talents that possess merit of their own.
>>134437815
don't bother reasoning with FMAfags
>>1344382080
Different anon here, I personally like HxH and 03 FMA. Brotherhoodfags are the ones to be avoided.
I don't really think of FMA as a battle shounen in the same vein as shows like hxh, dragonball and naruto. There are no tournaments, training arcs, power-ups or special abilities that are trademark of the genre. "Battle" doesn't really seem to fit it's description, even if there is action and fight scenes.
>>134438406
More or less. Though I do find that Brotherhood taking the one on one battle royale route by the end kinda killed this idea.
>>134438406
>There are no tournaments
ed trying to be a state alchemist
>training arcs
ed and al goes back to her master to learn more
>power-ups
seeing the truth and being able to do alchemy without circles
>>134438406
I agree. It's more like an adventurous tale. Two boys who depart from home and get to experience how the world works, and start getting involved in greater things.
>>134438449
To be honest, I don't even remember how brotherhood ended. I read the manga and then watched brotherhood, so I experienced it twice, and I still don't remember what happened. At one point I think Al was stuck in a dome and then later everyone was happy and whole again. Maybe that's just my terrible memory, but I remember 03's ending perfectly and I haven't seen it in full since probably 2006. That's the kind of impression that Arakawa's ending left on me.
>>134438739
Same anon as before, and yeah, that's basically one of the many reasons why I still prefer 03 FMA over Brotherhood.
By the end, characters were basically individually allocated to their respective "boss fights" in Brotherhood until it all comes down to the "one vs all" fight with Father.
>>134424815
No there's tons of fatefags here that like the same retarded melodrama you do.
>>134438857
>"boss fights"
Please kill yourself. Slit your wrists and bleed out back to /v/. Protagonists and antagonists coming to a head is not a fucking boss fight, you fucking cunt.
>>134439290
>Protagonists and antagonists coming to a head is not a fucking boss fight, you fucking cunt.
You mean protagonists and antagonists coming to a head and having a full-fledged dedicated fight sequence for no reason other than "oh hey you're here let's fight" isn't /v/-tier shit? Because that's exactly what most of the final fights in Brotherhood was like.
>>134439290
>Protagonists and antagonists coming to a head is not a fucking boss fight
You say this as if characters like Sloth, Gluttony, and Lust served any other purposes. Ironically, many video game boss characters are more heavily developed than they were; but the before mentioned villains possess all of the depth of the boss characters you'd face in the original Castlevania.
>>134425814
>Bar the rushed start it's better in every regard.
Except the shitty ending, the shitty humor attempts, and the bad pacing in the middle.
Brotherhood was good for exactly three things:
- Ling
- Lust fight
- Furher fight
In every other regard, from animation to character growth to music to cinematography, 03 beats Brotherhood into the dirt.
>>134439448
Please tell us how Al forgetting everything and Wenry getting blue balls and Roy fucking off to become a hermit is character growth.
>>134439400
The reason was Fort Briggs and Roy were staging a coup, you fucking assclown. Which is a better reason than Rose's rape baby and nazis.
>>134436556
> thinking that's better than the Wrath-Scar fight
Yeah you're likely retarded.
>>134439851
Better choreography, character chemistry and a legitimate turning point for Ed. Of course it's better than Bradley/Scar's fight. You're just an autist who is easily amused by the flashy sakuga.
>>134439574
>Roy fucking off to become a hermit
2003 was better than Brotherhood; Shamballa, however, had no reason to exist. By the end of 2003 both Ed, who had matured greatly over the course of the series, and Roy had arrived at the conclusion that there are things of greater importance than the accomplishment of an individual's dreams, as Roy proceeded to sacrifice everything he had worked towards for most of his life.
Al was done better in Brotherhood, but even with that, it was due to getting more focus and being a more active character rather than because he was particularly well developed.
>winry
Making shippers happy isn't character development.
>>134439987
Ed and Greed fight for literally no reason other than to give Ed exposition on how to kill a humonclus, if anything is a boss fight that's it. Wrath and Scar is a terrorist fighting the man that destroyed his country and people.
>>134440029
>particularly well developed.
Like everyone else in brotherhood because Arakawa writes characters to be developed and not for retarded drama.
>>134440203
Ed vs Greed was a huge turning point for Ed.
>>134439448
Because Al being nothing but an accessory for Ed was great. Having everyone but Ed and Roy being literally useless, needless angst that exists for point other than to get a reaction out of the viewer, and a Big bad whose ultimate goal was that she could be young forever, and who was about as effective as a mid boss.
>>134440344
Arakawa writes characters as punch machines. How did Al grow as a character over the course of Brotherhood?
>>134440433
You can feel that way, but Ed and Roy were still more developed than any of the characters in Brotherhood. I'd rather have my writers focus on a few things and do them well then add a million pointless elements and handle them all poorly.
>>134440544
>I'd rather have my writers focus on a few things and do them well then add a million pointless elements and handle them all poorly.
This. Brotherhoodfags just don't get it.
>>134440381
You mean the point where his character development essentially just stopped for the sake of muh drama?
>there are nostalgia-ridden retards that actually think lolnazis was a good ending
pfftt HAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>134439437
>Gluttony
Don't even remember how he died or who killed him in Brotherhood
>>134440609
Pride kills him.
>>134430276
my only pet peeve with FMAB is that it was too colorful, then again I saw 03 before FMAB
>>134440721
That's the only one?
>>134440544
>You can feel that way, but Ed and Roy were still more developed than any of the characters in Brotherhood.
Yeah no, both Ed and Roy's development came to a grinding halt for the sake of pushing the drama. There was no reason why either Ed or Roy couldn't get any help.
>I'd rather have my writers focus on a few things and do them well
Because pointless angst is excellent character development am I right? That would be all well and fine if it actually did those things well. But nope instead we had shit happen purely for the sake of getting a reaction out of their audience.
>>134440433
Dante was an actual character, with an understandable motivation that wasn't "become a god." Father is a particularly bad villain; he isn't proactive. He sits on his throne for the entire series like some dark lord from a bargain bin fantasy novel, to eventually lose a punching match against a teenager, as his friends cheer for him on the side. His motivations were clichéd JRPG material, long before Sephiroth did it back in 1997, and he was pure and one-dimensionally evil.
>>134440793
>pointless angst
Someone wasn't paying attention.
>But nope instead we had shit happen purely for the sake of getting a reaction out of their audience.
All of the "angst" literally forced Ed to question his ideals and reshuffle his perception of the world around him, which is a lot more than anything he went through in Brotherhood.
>>134440767
Liore actually isn't close to Ishval on the map, so for all intents and purposes 2003 got that wrong.
>>134440767
well besides Rose's skin to be much more lighter and that Ed's hair wasn't outline black
but please, share your pet peeve, im curious
>>134434519
>2003
Lust > Sloth > Greed >>>> Gluttony > Wrath = Envy > Pride
>canon
Wrath > Greed >>>> Pride > Lust > Envy > Gluttony > Sloth
>>134440962
>2003
Lust > Greed > Sloth > Wrath = Envy = Pride > Gluttony
>manga/Brotherhood
Wrath > Greed > Envy = Pride >>>>>>> Lust > Gluttony > Sloth
>>134434157
Holy fuck I didn't realize that Ed was holding on to Greed's arm to perform that kick
>>134440381
>Ed vs Greed was a huge turning point for Ed.
Yeah, it was a major milestone for his character growth, and for the story as a whole.
>>134440433
>needless angst that exists for point other than to get a reaction out of the viewer
Brotherhood had more of that. Hell, just Mustang's pathetic angst when he refused to kill Envy -- which was out of character, since he had already killed Lust in cold blood, and they were all there specifically to kill Father before Father killed all of them.
>and a Big bad whose ultimate goal was that she could be young forever,
Yeah, I prefer a human with a human reason for doing evil, rather than some diablo ex machina with no sane goal or human character traits.
Face it, the manga and Brotherhood villains were deliberately dumbed-down because human-vs-human conflict between sympathetic characters would be too grown-uppy for their target audience.
>>134440900
>Dante was an actual character,
Dante was a smug snake character who wanted immortality simply so that she could be young. Her motivations are that of a mid boss.
> Father is a particularly bad villain; he isn't proactive.
He isn't proactive that's why he took over Amestris and destroyed that other kingdom. The final episodes were just a countdown to his plans succeeding. Hence the need of a coup d'etat, did you even pay attention?
>>134440900
>Someone wasn't paying attention.
I was and it was ultimately pointless, exactly what was done with all of the angst? The reasoning behind the angst wasn't even explored, just used as a vehicle to have more angst in the show. And if that you mean that the angst wasn't pointless, then I'll agree with you.
>All of the "angst" literally forced Ed to question his ideals and reshuffle his perception of the world around him, which is a lot more than anything he went through in Brotherhood.
No Brotherhood Ed actually learned from his experiences, think about what he did wrong and how he could have made it better. Hence his final decision to give up his alchemy. You didn't pay attention did you?
>>134440601
Neither series had a good ending, but none the less Brotherhood was worse.
I finished watching Brotherhood a bit ago.
With Scar vs Wrath, was the ray of light just luck, or was it legit divine intervention (Ishivala forgave him for his wrath and threw him a bone)?
>>134441142
>Hell, just Mustang's pathetic angst when he refused to kill Envy -- which was out of character, since he had already killed Lust in cold blood, and they were all there specifically to kill Father before Father killed all of them
This bothered me so much. Like what the flying fuck...
>>134441199
>With Scar vs Wrath, was the ray of light just luck, or was it legit divine intervention (Ishivala forgave him for his wrath and threw him a bone)?
Same thing
>>134441229
Wasn't it Ed who had to convince him not to kill Envy though?
>>134441229
>>134441142
But for Envy remaining in that pitiful and ugly state was a worse punishment than death. That's why he also kills himself.
>>134441291
It was Ed and Hawkeye. I get what it was going for with them not following a man who has "fallen" but it was overdone to the point where Hawkeye even implied suicide over what Roy was doing.
>>134441142
>Brotherhood had more of that. Hell, just Mustang's pathetic angst when he refused to kill Envy -- which was out of character, since he had already killed Lust in cold blood, and they were all there specifically to kill Father before Father killed all of them.
Anon are you an idiot? Mustang didn't refuse to kill Envy, in fact he volunteered to do it. Everyone else told him not to. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4FQ4gsgQ0o
>Yeah, I prefer a human with a human reason for doing evil, rather than some diablo ex machina with no sane goal or human character traits.
So you admit her goals were small and petty? Dante was mustache twirling evil for the sake of it. Father wasn't human so of course his goals weren't that of a human's.
>Face it, the manga and Brotherhood villains were deliberately dumbed-down because human-vs-human conflict between sympathetic characters would be too grown-uppy for their target audience.
Whatever makes you sleep at night. Better a show that explores humanity than a show whose focus is actually telling a story rather than a show who prioritizes getting a reaction out of it's viewer over telling a coherent story.
Also muh dark edge = deep and meaningful, what are you 12?
>>134441384
God it felt weird to call her Hawkeye, just replace what I said with Riza and we're good.
>>134441420
>muh buzzwords
You can't into arguments huh?
>>134436985
as of matter of fact, disregard that, I suck cocks.
>>134441420
You're an excellent example of why nobody takes Brotherfags seriously.
>>134441229
I can't believe there are this many children here. If Roy wants to lead his country he can't be Bradley, he can't be Wrath. It wasn't about the morality of killing you goddamn babies.
>>134424815
It is almost as if you have shit taste. Oh waaaaait....
>>134441229
He didn't refuse to kill Envy.
Hawkeye and Ed both believed in Mustang and wanted him to make a better country, but they thought that if he let himself be completely consumed by revenge. Scar popped up to say "Revenge is pretty weak bro" and eventually Mustang understood that killing Envy wouldn't make the pain of his friend's death vanish.
Then envy took himself out the game.
>>134441420
>Dante was mustache twirling evil for the sake of it
Dante had to bullshit her way into believing that what she doing was for the sake of humanity, and was correct in her view of humanity's tendency towards self-destruction.
Father not being human (like every dark lord in any shitty Tolkien knockoff) doesn't make him any less awful as a character. An author can get away with this if they emphasize the inhumanity of the antagonist by making them extraordinarily frightful or intimidating (Lovecraft and Stephen King are famous for this); Arakawa did not.
>FMA 03 expands sixteen chapters and a spinoff LN into 25 episodes of content then goes off into edgy fanfiction route with generally better animation and music
>FMAB copies the manga's sometimes questionable pacing to a T but delivers Arakawa's story as it's meant to be
Just watch both for fucks sake, the only sound advice is avoid both movies like the plague
>>134441675
Man, I love Envy. It's interesting to see how stark the two versions were.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HwPhoIHK-Y
>>134441795
>fanfiction
None of this is real.
I like FMA simply out of nostalgia. If my memory was wiped and I saw both within the same month now, I'd probably pick Brotherhood as my favorite. Superior OST (Even though I still think Dante's theme is the best) and I like the animation style. But if I'd choose to watch either for a 3rd time, it'd be FMA. Because nostalgia.
>>134424815
Nah, Brotherhood's much better.
I never liked the original content in 2003, It's the only time I feel I can legitimately refer to an original ending as "fanfiction". And there was always something off about the way the characters looked.
>>134441858
WW1 was, and FMA 03 turns into WW1 fanfiction
FMA: BROTHER YOU'RE BAD I HATE YOU. I'd rather believe some random evil armor guy
Brotherhood: Brother, I'll believe in you and we will recover our bodies TOGETHER
>>134441774
Dante was evil for her own sake. She didn't want to die. It's a very human motivation.
She might have spun some bullshit about humanity but at the end of the day she was looking to jump into a new body.
If someone were writing a school paper on it, it could be an interesting metaphor for the waste and destruction caused by those in power seeking to maintain their power at all cost.
>>134441858
>None of this is real.
How can our posts be real if our shows aren't real?
>>134440900
There's no reason for him to question his ideals, he was right since he was 14, god doesn't exist and some old hag(who btw is your ageless dad's ex girlfriend) is the cause of all the world's ills, go kick her ass.
But sure ignore how Ed became a man in the actual plot. Continue to stew in your adolescent bullshit.
>>134442487
>But sure ignore how Ed became a man in the actual plot. Continue to stew in your adolescent bullshit.
>tfw when literally Brotherhood
>>134440381
Ed killing Greed was bullshit, since his resolve was all about not killing anyone, which in the original story backfired countless times at him and provided a proper growth to him.
This fight was straight out of a fan fiction and the conclusion was completely out of character.
>>134443057
I took it as character growth rather than "out of character".
Ed and Al were soldiers. In the original story, they had to abandon one childish ideal after another.
In Brotherhood, of course, they were able to keep their childish ideals and win anyway. Yay shounen cliches.
>>134424815
You faggots are almost as bad as those Jojo OVA fags
Fucking hipsters I swear
>>134443155
It's like you didn't pay any attention to Brotherhood.
The first FMA made Al not believe anything that Ed did for him. Some armor dude told Al he was fake and Al chose to believe him.
In Brotherhood, hence the manga, the brothers choose to TRUST each other, to go the hard way (not killing, even the homunculus)
Yes, the ending was happy, but it was a good ride all the way.
>>134443155
Ed and All weren't soldiers. They joined the military to indulge in their own interest without people intervening. They never identified themselves as soldiers and their point of not killing anyone was a part of it.
>keep their childish ideals and win anyway.
No, their childish ideals always backfired once in a while. Pic related.
>>134443155
No, he had to fight for his ideals, stop hating his father and get to work people are counting on you, which is what men do. What he did in FMA was throw tantrums.
>>134443402
Why did those 4 fodder villains eventually become main characters?
>>134443431
Because Miss Arakawa doesn't waste characters. Everyone counts.
>>134443498
You forgot "for better or worse".
>>134443402
>their childish ideals always backfired once in a while. Pic related.
Taking grievous injuries in a battle shounen with no consequences doesn't bolster your point.
>>134428767
I couldn't stop laughing at mustang in milo
Like holy shit his screen time is so awkward its comical
I just think the earlier story of FMA is better anyways and both endings are shit, Brotherhood puts off turning to shit for a while but it's extra content is nowhere near as good as the shared storyline so I can see how someone would think like OP especially since half of Brotherhood is basically a rewatch.
>>134443559
that was the first time Ed doubted his resolve of not popping motherfuckers desu
>>134443606
>someone would think like OP especially since half of Brotherhood is basically a rewatch.
Except the problem is that the manga still maintained a proper narrative at the start without being rushed af like in Brotherhood. It's what makes Brotherhood's first parts were ridiculously rushed just to get to the "good bits".
They're both shit but I liked the first anime better.
Brotherhood was 'muh shonen battlan'
>>134443371
>Some armor dude told Al he was fake and Al chose to believe him.
I actually thought that was pretty cool. If you have no human body, how can you be sure you were originally human? Existential horror is good stuff.
>to go the hard way (not killing, even the homunculus)
Having faith that the plot will deliver a deus-ex-machina ending so they don't have to get their innocent little hands dirty is not what I consider "the hard way".
>>134443402
>Ed and All weren't soldiers. They joined the military
Joining the military and following orders, which they did, on screen, actually means that they were soldiers.
Maybe they were dumb kids and joined up not knowing the consequences? They wouldn't be the first soldiers to tell that story.
>>134444006
>They're both shit but I liked the first anime better.
This is a good opinion.
>>134444352
>Joining the military and following orders, which they did, on screen, actually means that they were soldiers.
>Maybe they were dumb kids and joined up not knowing the consequences? They wouldn't be the first soldiers to tell that story.
Agreed. I always thought that was the point and why their naivety even came back to bite them in the ass.
Why was Father so nice in his first Ed/Al meeting and a dick in the others?
Was it because he had Greed in him and Greed really wanted friends?
How does Alkahestry differ from Alchemy? Could Ed learn to do Alkahestry? I just wonder since you could interpret him still opting to study Alchemy in the end as him looking for a better, non-bullshit source of power.
Brotherhood > Fma 100%
First off, fuck anyone trying to defend the smoldering heap of shit that is '03.
Secondly, Robo-Archer completely just takes the already bad ending and just rubs the viewers nose in pure shit.
>Lol, I'm gonna show up at the very last few scenes and take a pop shot at Mustang.
>Ha! Got him in the eye, now he's like Bradley! Definitely not any forced parallels there or anything.
>Not to mention, I'm half-steampunk cyborg!
>Have you seen my mouth gun?
Just fuck it all.
>>134444902
>Alkahestry
Since it was taught to the chinks by Hoenheim, I assume that it came from beyond the gate of truth alongside Dwarf in the Flask. Just mixing 'pure' alchemy with Eastern teachings instead.
>>134445347
Robo-Archer was funny af and creepy body horro tho. How can you NOT like him?
>>134445347
I thought Risa shot Robo-Archer and accidentally hit Mustang in the eye.
>>134424815
Yes. FMA's ending was shit. At least Brotherhood had an epic and satisfying conclusion while FMA just left you with a stupid cliffhanger.
>>134445347
Alright, I'm a huge 03 fag, but I will admit that roboarcher was pants-on-head retarded. You can't win them all.
>>134428767
shamballa was good tho
>>134428767
I loved Shamballa
>>134441988
They butchered their noses in the 2003 version, made them look more like typical anime characters from that time period.
>>134445347
>let's throw everything said about automail in the show out the window
The show became a joke after that.
>>134441164
>>134441420
>>134441774
Let's just agree that both FMA Big Bads are pretty shitty. Dante is too petty and unimpressive and Father is so typical and boring.
Main villains definetely weren't these shows strong points.
