What did she mean by this?
airhead
Why was Kanbaru so sexy this episode, she's usually pretty shit
>>133638333
She's always sexy and never shit
>>133638900
Hanamonogatari is the only exception because of delicious Kanbaru x Rouka, everywhere else she's shit.
>>133638333
>usually pretty shit
I'll give you one chance to take your words back. If you fail, you will die.
>>133638943
>toughing it up on /a/
kek
>>133638933
That's objectively wrong.
She is a miracle of the universe and you need to watch your goddamn mouth.
>>133638989
>>133638943
Are you ok dude? It's fine having shit taste. I mean yea, she's better than a lot of the sluts in monogatari, but she's not even in the top 5
>>133639017
You didn't have to post that list.
I knew you had shit taste already.
>>133638985
Keep running your mouth and you'll see what happens.
>>133639054
He's running his fingers anon, at least get your threats right.
>>133639099
Nobody likes a smart-ass so shut the fuck up then maybe you could have friends.
>>133639017
>Bat 9
>Crab 14
Die
>>133639017
>I only like things that people don't like
>>133641175
It's called being a hipster, get with the lingo
>>133641175
>nadeko
>not one of the most popular gataris
>>133641267
>snake
>not a shit
>>133639035
>>133641175
Slutdachi is great because of those hips
>>133641267
only because she's such a shit that 90% of the audience can only go, "wow, that snake is such a shit"
Daily Reminder
Meme>Kaiki>Gaen>Yozuru>Tedori>>>>Crab>Bat>Monkey>Cat>Bee>Bird>Snail>Doll>Spooky>Math Fairy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snake
>>133643134
This is one of the worst lists I've ever seen.
>>133643267
And yet it's the best one in the thread.
Reminder that Kanbaru will never love you, not because she is 2D, but because she doesn't believe in love.
>>133645270
She just wants sex like a normal 3D girl, I understand and accept.
>>133635912
I don't think that's correct translation. She said lile this iirc
>You'd better go to hospital if you really think that I am thinking about something.
>>133639298
speak for yourself gaylord
>>133645363
Why would you think "you" (Araragi) would be the subject of the second part?
>>133645270
She's just hiding from her feelings anon.
It takes a special person to break through.
Are you a person like that?
>>133641267
only because of hanakana
Is monkey the sad clown of the show?
>>133648088
Yes.
But she's happy too.
![[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].mkv_snapshot_11.36_[2015.11.17_14.18.20].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4XMHPc1.jpg "[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].mkv_snapshot_11.36_[2015.11.17_14.18.20].jpg")
>>133635912
>>133643134
>adults
Get out.
One-tail Loli Snail>Twin-tail Loli Snail>Suave Kaiki>Hawaiiki>Normal Kaiki>Disguised Loli Bat>Princess Loli Bat>Loli Bat>Short-Hair Crab>Long-hair Crab>Loli Cat>Corpse>Phoenix>Teenage Bat>Long-Hair Bee>Ponytail Monkey>Adult Snail>Pigtails Monkey>Devil>Short-Hair Monkey>Adult Bat>Charlie Murphy>God Snake>Hat SnakeNo-hat Snake>Short-Hair Bee>Pajama How Much>Loli How Much>How Much>Long-hair Cat>Short-Hair Cat>Stripe-Hair Cat
>>133649437
>separating your gataris by hairstyle
>making your list five miles long
your autism is showing
![[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].webm](https://i.imgur.com/JGD9aw4.jpg "[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].webm")
>>133649409
Commie made things extra lewd
>trying watching any monogatari subs other than commie
>they make no fucking sense at all
it almost redeems them
![[Commie] Hanamonogatari [E055B3E8].mkv_snapshot_01.36.38_[2014.08.20_00.24.24].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/jnEgcnK.jpg "[Commie] Hanamonogatari [E055B3E8].mkv_snapshot_01.36.38_[2014.08.20_00.24.24].jpg")
>>133635912
She was making a self-deprecating joke that essentially boiled down to "You should worry about me if I'm using my brain." Which is funny because she's making fun of herself and also because the same sentence betrays itself. Kanbaru is a prankster like that.
>>133649409
Why do people wait for this?
Lads I need monkey to find someone that loves her.
>>133645685
私が何かを考えているように見えるんだったら
病院に行った方が良いな
Araragi is the subject of 見える, the person seeing. Plus you wouldn't say ～ほうが良い about yourself. If she wanted to say "take me to a hospital" she would have said 病院に連れてほしい or 行かせてほしい or something.
>>133653304
Yes do not worry I have arrived.
>>133653154
CR translated the line wrong. Commie has it right in this case, though they changed hospital to optometrist presumably to sound like something an English-speaking person is more likely to say. Whether that's acceptable or not is debatable.
>>133652863
Why can't they just be consistent?
>>133645270
but, I mean, also because of the 2d thing
also lesbian
a real hat trick
>>133653026
You mean that we should about her now?
>>133638933
kill yourself yurifag
How much did Gaen actually know? Because if I remember, she was the one who told Arararagi to text Kanbaru and meet at the cram school ruins.
>>133653678
>Araragi is the subject of 見える, the person seeing.
見える is intransitive so Kanbaru is the subject (as in 主格).
>Plus you wouldn't say ～ほうが良い about yourself. If she wanted to say "take me to a hospital" she would have said 病院に連れてほしい or 行かせてほしい or something.
Hmm. Maybe? It's not like there's a guarantee ～ほうが良い isn't about oneself though.
>>133655912
>subject
You know what I mean. He's the actor.
(阿良々木先輩には)私が[中略]に見えるんだったら
In any case she says 行く and not 連れる or 行かせる. That's all that's needed to know.
>>133655495
She probably planned them to run into each other so monkey and araragi could see how strong it is and get to know it.
Also to make doll look super cool.
>>133639017
>Devil is top
>Nadeko anywhere except bottom 5 and below snail, cat, bee, bird, meme, and Big Sis.
>Kanbaru isn't in top 5
>Cat isn't at least in 6th or 7th
>Kaiki isn't number one
Your taste is objectively shit. If it wasn't a fact that your parents disowned you for having such shit taste and the retardation, I would have pitied them. Every moment that the world endures your existence is the equivalent of a tumor on the whole of existence which the universe simply cannot treat. If given the chance, I would offer myself and the entirety of the Human race to a race that enslaves/assimilates/harvests lesser races and advise them against taking you along so no creature would need to endure your presence. You are perhaps the single worst thing to ever exist, and that is including what fucked-up, Cthulhu-tier shit that we have yet to discover.
daily reminder that all monogatari girls are best girls. you can't deny it
>>133643134
Tedori? Was he the guy who died?
>>133656330
You can just call his taste shit like the rest of us and move on man.
>>133656452except snake
>>133641267
>Monkey is bro-tier
>Cat has appeal and boner power
>Crab is waifu-tier
>Bird and Bee redeem themselves with being best onii-san's.
>Doll is cuddly
>Kaiki is literally best
>Everyone else is memorable, tolerable (even the ones that are shit and/or one-offs) and outright amazing shit
>And then Snake
What did Nadeko even do, aside have a breakdown because MUH ARARAGI? She ate a charm that made her God and then beat the fuck out of Araragi until best grill came along and told her to cut that shit out. She needed crab to explain in what order she should kill araragi, bat, and herself. Even bee, who spent the entirety of her own arc sitting it out, had more impact. Also, beating the shit out of araragi is really just a Tuesday for the guy at this point
>>133656503
You cannot simply call taste like that shit. You have to explain how shit that taste is, define exactly what it is to live and know that someone with taste that bad exists.
would you a monkey?
>>133657434
who wouldn't
>>133657920
snakefags mostly
>>133658020
no ones actually a snakefag, theyre just trolling you
![[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].mkv_snapshot_24.02_[2015.11.15_16.40.16].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/71dXj7E.jpg "[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].mkv_snapshot_24.02_[2015.11.15_16.40.16].jpg")
These lyrics feel even more depressing with Shinobu
>>133658074
I found it more depressing with Sodachi since it was immediately true for the arc, she was really moving away right after finding some people who could finally support her. With Shinobu I'm not sure what it means, maybe because it's still early and I know nothing about the arc.
>>133658475
What is with these girls and not being able to function without Araragi? Why can't they be more like cat or monkey?
>>133641175
That's retarded, anon. Nothing is hipster about liking the Kana Asumi and KanaHana characters.
Are monogatarifags the most cancerous fanbase on /a/?
>>133659174
araragi has nothing to do with it. sodachi wasn't functional even when he was around
>>133659300
No, but your mom probably is going to die of cancer.
![[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].mkv_snapshot_23.48_[2015.11.15_16.15.55].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/OWahOqk.jpg "[Commie] Owarimonogatari - 07 [AE646CF5].mkv_snapshot_23.48_[2015.11.15_16.15.55].jpg")
>>133658475
I just connected it to them getting separated. Araragi, and maybe the samurai.
>>133659174
Sodachi got the least support from Araragi while having basically the worst childhood tied with Hanekawa at best. And she will have to get it together completely by herself since there is nothing Araragi can do anymore, he is 5 years late.
>>133659286
Liking a character just because of their va in a rich cast like monogatari is autistic
>>133659460
I guess it makes sense. But all the speculation here about Araragi not aging and staying with Shinobu indefinitely made me not consider that possibility seriously, which is why I can't connect with that ED as well.
![[RUELL-Next] Azumanga Daioh EP06 (DVD 768x576 x264 VFR AC3 448K) [7D78ACFF]_0015.png](https://i.imgur.com/I1d8e9J.png "[RUELL-Next] Azumanga Daioh EP06 (DVD 768x576 x264 VFR AC3 448K) [7D78ACFF]_0015.png")
>>133657920
>>133643134
Meme>Kaiki>BatGaen>Yozuru>Tedori>>Monkey>>rab>>Cat>Bee>Bird>Snail>Doll>Spooky>Math Fairy>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Snake
>>133660298
>>133659509
more cute pictures of Sodachi please
>>133661111
>>>/c/2526712
>>133661228
thank you
>>133661228
>11 days ago
Holy shit, do /c/ threads never die?
>>133659509
I dunno, Hachikuji had a pretty rough childhood
what with spending half of it dead
>>133661431
Well, Senjougahara thread 58 days, Shinobu 22 days, Nadeko 17 days, Hachikuhi 2 days. None are close to reaching the limit yet.
>>133661507
You could argue her childhood ended when she died though. But being a forever lost ghost is certainly unimaginably terrible.
>>133661748
And monkey threads never.
Yapari
>>133639298
>>133645462
BTFO
T
F
O
One episode in and Shinobu Mail has already become the best arc Owari has. Shit is always great when it's about Araragi and Shinobu.
>>133661865
there was a monkey thread once, it was shitty
>>133662921
In /c/?
That's why we keep them all here I guess.
/c/ is full of shit taste.
>>133662660
You mean Araragi and Kanbaru
>>133662660
>always great when it's about Araragi and Shinobu.
>Shinobu
It had a slower start for me compared to Ougi Formula, which was worse than Riddle/Lost. Most of the last episode was a joke being stretched too thin and the cheapness of this season damages arcs with more action.
>>133635912
Brain surgery?
>>133659460
When did Shinobu become separated from Koyomi?It's been a while.
>>133635912
She wants to be taken to the hospital gently
>>133667137Shinobu Time, I found it
literally nothing, just like everything else this show is about
>calling characters by their apparitions' names
Stop this you fucking faggots.
>>133667709
No one remembers any of the characters aside from Nadeko, anyway.
How is anyone going to remember them when the show sucks?
>>133667709
>stop calling them by animal names
>2016-1/12
really?
>>133663037
>a joke being stretched too thin
Not only that, a joke that's been made several times before.
>cheapness of this season
I hope they skimped out on the action scenes this time because they were saving budget for the later episodes. Not hopeful though.
>>133668130
>>133663037
>there are still people who think it was 20 minutes of Kanbaru being lewd for no reason
This show really is 2deep for some people.
She's a lesbo, right?
>>133668443
Nobody is too lesbo for Araragi.
>>133639017
Shit taste confirmed, oh boy
>>133668443
everyone that interacts with araragi trough quantum fluctuations instantly changes their state to araragisexual
Everything is okay, Spooky best girl is here.
>>133668307
Of course she wasn't being lewd for no reason, but we've been over it before.
why does every girl in this anime keeps trying to crack their neck?
I started watching this a week ago and that's a bit unsettling
>>133669727
She's lewd for different reasons anon.
Oh look, its that /tv/ meme again.
>>133669773
Because stiff necks are uncomfortable.
They are just stretching.
>>133669787
You mean other than covering up her insecurities and trying to fill the 'lewd kouhai' role that she invented? And to express her complicated feelings of jealousy and admiration toward Araragi by teasing him sexually, knowing that he won't respond to her advances?
What's different about it than in Bake or Nise?
>>133670153
cover insecurities by being extremely loyal friend, sexually aggressive, highly sporty, beautiful looking and wearing sylish clothing and comftorable with her own body.
Some hardcore insecurity covering right there.
>>133670266
She's very comfortable as long as she's the lewd kouhai and as long as their relationships don't change. As soon as Araragi and Gahara graduate she has no idea what to do with herself.
>>133669665
too bad she doesn't show up much this arc.
>>133671135
>>133673326
>Gone
Nonsense, anon-kun, our Queen will return
>>133673326
The apostrophe on a possessive "Its" is triggering my autism.
>>133635912
>>133649409
Wasn't the actual line saying
"If it looks to you that I'm thinking about something, you probably should go to a hospital" ?
I don't get why people like this.
>>133674605
We don't, we are all posting about it ironically.
>>133668443
>She's a lesbo, right?
No, no, either Nishio just doesn't understand the word "lesbian" means and he used it just like that, or more likely Kanbaru is japanese variation of the typical lesbian who just needs that one special guy, mostly male MC harem master, to make her bi/straight again.
After all Kanbaru in the end didn't get paired up with any girl and her most important person is Araragi now, not Hitagi anymore. Kidna shame Nishio didn't have balls to give her a proper girlfriend than just dead ghost one which isn't here anymore.
>be excited as fuck for what's probably the final Shinobu arc
>it's Shinobu Time all over again but with Monkey instead of Snail
>>133674605
>People
>Liking Monogatari
>>133674724
Monkey likes girls, shota, teases Araragi about sex and values him as her best friend. A lot of what she says is just the homosexual banter between male friends just made straight.
>>133670153
Yes and currently distracting herself from facing any of her feelings. There is a way different energy to it than nise and bake.
>>133674733
>not excited for more monkey
If you want bat so much wait until kizu.
>>133674724
Or maybe Kanbaru is the one who doesn't understand the word "lesbian" or more importantly does not know herself as well as she acts.
>>133677121
I've read Kizu and have no clue whatsoever how they plan to pace it over 3 movies.
>>133677877
They plan to pace it by never releasing them.
>>133677928
Sasuga SHAFT.
>>133674724
Kanbaru never really falls for Araragi. Even in Hana, which takes place after everything, she's still more romantically/sexually interested in Numachi than she ever was in Araragi.
Also I don't know why you think she doesn't still adore Crab more than anyone. Just because their interactions aren't onscreen doesn't mean they don't happen.
>>133678508
>still more romantically/sexually interested in Numachi than she ever was in Araragi
why exactly do you think that?
>>133638333
She was sexy in Nise but I didn't find her sexy here. She was a little too manic.
>>133671135
Is it just me or do those eyes feel wrong
>>133635912
>you should take me to the hospital
She wanted to express Sodachi's true desire.
>>133678556
Because she actually shows serious interest in kissing her.
She's never thought that about Araragi. Unless you think she's being 100% serious when she's joking around with him.
![[HorribleSubs] Owarimonogatari - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_07.36_[2015.10.25_05.03.47].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ObrRnTn.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Owarimonogatari - 04 [720p].mkv_snapshot_07.36_[2015.10.25_05.03.47].jpg")
>>133678626
It's just you
>>133678775
She doesn't try to do anything because he's in a relationship with a girl she respects a lot?
>>133678775
>>133678835
Pretty much this, if Hitagi agreed to it Kanbaru would have sex with Araragi right there.
The only reason why Kanbaru doesn't kiss or do it with Araragi is not that she likes girls or is a lesbian but just she doesn't want to get in the way of Hitagi relationship.
Maybe that anon who said that Kanbaru using lesbian word didn't know what it meant is right.
If anything blame Nishio, Kanbaru is not the only girl who didn't get any real closure cause she must be "availible" for Araragi till the end of the story and girls can't be shown to be attracted to someone else than the harem lead.
Do I have to watch Hanamonogatari to understand this arc?
>>133679076
Only if you want to understand Kanbaru's character more. And she features prominently.
So yes you do.
>>133679076
No, Hana comes after it. But you should watch it regardless.
>>133653678
This. I bet that sub group doesn't even know the basic Japanese.
>>133659174
they can't function without him, sure
but he can't function without them either
>>133679135
Hilariously enough, those are the official subs. Someone got paid to translate that.
>>133668307
20 minutes of Kanbaru asking to take her virginity for a reason and for no reason are more or less equally boring if you're not a fan of her. They could have made the point a lot faster and moved on, in the same way they could make 6 episodes of that and it wouldn't make it more "2deep".
>>133678835
Debatable. She likes him, at least a little, but it's not like she's head over heels.
>>133679298
But Sodachi can't function with him even more than without him.
>>133679348
>if you're not a fan of her
That sounds like a you problem
>>133679392
Sodachi isn't really part of the "series"
>>133679395
I wish I could like her as much as other girls, but episodes like this one aren't helping.
>>133679430
But it's the one being referred to in the top of the link chain you're replying to.
>>133679333
Holy shit that can't be real
>>133674286
>implying it is not smile and optimism
>>133679438
Episodes like what? What exactly was wrong?
We got re-introduced to pre-hana monkey who we haven't seen since the start of nise. We get introduced to the arc that is being covered and the major players. We get to see the baddie and what he can do. We get an insight into Kanbaru and how things are not very calm under the surface. We can see that Araragi get's scared of her without his vampirism and still uses it as a crutch.
And we got a ton of MonkeyxAraragi banter which is one of the best ones in the series as they are not so one sided.
This was a great first episode.
>>133679395
>We got re-introduced to pre-hana monkey who we haven't seen since the start of nise.
She was good then when she was naked but she's intolerable pre hana
>>133673326
so, LN readers, is she like fucking literally satan or something?
right now i can't tell if she's for real related to oshino or just another aberration born of araragi's split personality
>>133680248
You're entitled to your shit opinion.
Sucks to be you I guess.
There's going to be lots more of her.
>>133679826
Reintroducing major players is kind of pointless, and the banter between them is too overplayed at this point, more than with any character, even with snail. And not sure what characters you think has mostly one sided banter, unless you mean solely in terms of sexual teasing.
And subtle insights on the characters that points to problems that we already knew about and know when and how they'll go away is not interesting if you're not heavily invested in the character. They could easily be omitted and implied like CrabxAraragi.
>>133680509
Crab and cat have one sided banter with Araragi for most of the series. Bat does too because most of what she says is exposition.
Just because you know something will be resolved does not mean there is no tension. Otherwise half the series would be not interesting to you as it happens completely out of chronological order.
>>133680428you're on the right path
>>133678775
nice try yurifag. she's literally offering herself to him
Sodachi yuri harem when? She's only one who's not infected by Araragi D
Why is this anime so garbage?
>>133682303
Sodachi oddity when? She's the only one not affected.
>>133682303
>She's only one who's not infected by Araragi D
>implying
>>133653678
I wish I could know nip
>>133656203
This doesn't seem to really explain why it's
>If I look to you like I'm thinking then you better go to a hospital.
rather than
>If I look like I'm thinking then I better go to a hospital.
I'm not saying it isn't the former, but I don't think a convincing explanation has been given.
>>133682397
She already has an oddity in her brain.
Look let me get this out of the way. For banging purposes Kanbaru but for actually dating Senju beats her by a mile.
>>133684238
I hope someone can safely extract it then.
>>133684660
How would her oddity look like?
>>133685993
LikeEuler
she is asexual
>>133684285
Why exactly would you not want monkey as a gf? I think she beats out all the others
>>133686300
You mean she is a sexual
>>133685993
She has some bird thematic, so maybe a swam. The problem is that people already call phoenix bird.
She doesn't need an oddity bringing her disgrace wherever she goes though, she already has Nisio doing that.
>>133686300
you mean sodachi?
>No spooky ougi until the final episode of the season
and I had gotten so accustomed
>>133688411
There needs to be a spin off that's just Spoogy Ougi doing Spooky Ouki things. Solving mysteries and punishing liars.
>>133679430
How is she not? She got two arcs to herself
>>133689679
Snake got 3 and she's not part of the series either
>>133679474
Is this seriously the first time you realized that official subs are 99% shit. They are called HorribleSubs for a reason
>>133689741
Is the "series" Araragi's harem?
>>133689741
fuck off
>>133680428she's born of guilt and self-criticism,appearing after the loss of Hachikuji Mayoi-chan
>>133689980
He's the MC and it's his story so yes?
It branches out to other characters more but snake is still not relevant.
>>133690162
You sound upset. Is it because there will be no more snek?
>>133691441
Even by this criteria, both Sodachi and Nadeko had relevant participation on Koyomi's life.
>>133692684
And now they don't.
>>133692724
That's a bullshit logic. If a character appears in a series then by default it's part of that series.
>>133692724
The effect they had is still present even post graduation for Araragi, Sodachi especially being on the same college.
College isn't part of Monogatari series though. What already happened is.
>>133690591
but she killed snail
>>133635912
CR being shit like always.
>muh official subs
>>133694423
but that's wrong.
Someone with a good pics of the samurai?
>>133695306
there's no official art yet
Would you domestically abuse sodachi?
>>133696076
I'd watch TV with her and we could swap stories of when our moms told us they regretted giving birth to us.
>>133696076
No, at worst I'll be a distant husband working on my own life projects while she works on hers and only kind of talking at night before sleeping on the couple bed.
>>133696460
neglect is a form of abuse anon.
>>133635912
>200 post thread up a day and a half later
Is it just me or has /a/ been really slow the last week?
>>133696460
>life projects
So jacking off?
>>133696498
It's still better than what she is used to.
>>133696593
You forgot watching anime and posting on /a/.
>>133696502
Well Monogatari threads have been.
They keep getting bumped from page 10 so they stay up for a long time though.
>>133696642
>watching anime and posting on /a/.
>life projects
Do something productive.
>>133696502
>>133696688
Not much to talk about with the latest episode. It will probably pick up again once shinobu reappears.
>>133696832
If I'm married with an anime girl I'm already way ahead of most here. I must post about it instead of enjoying it.
>>133696904
You must create 2D, not marry it.
>>133696502
Monogatari threads typically last a while.
>>133697058
I have no drawing skills, so I'll have to take the latter.
>>133697127
You can be a writer like her father.
>>133697249
I lost all artistic skills when I went with engineering. Best I can do is to be one of the many trying to make waifubots as hobby, which would still be 2.5D at best.
>>133696688
there's a cat thread with almost 100 posts
>>133697521
And it's now dead. You get 2 full threads on saturday, 1 full for each the following 2-3 days, and after those you get mostly slow threads like this unless it's an episode with lots of discussion potential like the arc climax.
>>133635912
i bet monkey drinks soy milk
>>133662660
but there's not gonna be much shinobu
>>133700604
>practically no Shinobu for an entire season
Why even life?
>>133701021
Will there even be significative Shinobu presence after this arc? I suppose not, especially if off-seasons is moving away from Araragi.
>>133701339
all the girls get a mini arc in koyomimonogatari. well, except sodachi
>>133701622
If they adapt it, each mini arc would likely be around half an episode?
And Sodachi couldn't have a mini arc before existing.
Why does everyone hate Snake? She was pretty terrible in bakemonogatari but her break down, interaction with Kaiki and overall cuteness make her at least top three.
>>133701851
She is ok, just not top 3 material for me.
>>133701851
>Cat confesses to and gets rejected by Araragi.
>She becomes a better person because of it.
>Snake doesn't confess anything to Araragi but learns he has a girlfriend.
>Decides to kill him and everyone else.
She's shit.Adorable but shit.
>>133701851
Good character, terrible person.
>>133701851
every other character has suffered to get better except for that spoiled piece of shit snake
>>133641703
Sodachi is best.
>>133704336
BestOwari book 1 girl
>>133702123
This.
Which means she gets terrible rankings on people who weigh her personality as a person.
Which is a great way to rank them.
Remember when people said Kizu would air in 2015?
>>133706506
Remember when Kizu 2015 was a pessimistic prediction?
NisiO you bastard. Stop ruining Owari for me with your spoilers.
First it was Kanbaru's book comment to Hanekawa and now this.
>>133707569
I almost feel like Nisio just stopped caring after Oni/Hana. Tsuki and Owari have been mediocre as hell so far.
Hopefully Shinobu Mail will prove me wrong since Nisio supposedly has rewritten it like 5 times.
>>133657434
To quote a classic:
>No-one fucks monkeys and people, you idiot! Once you take a monkey that's a firm decision! You're out of the pussy game. You can't go "imma fuck this monkey on Tuesday, and maybe call Sharline on Thursday."
>>133708558
I half-agree. Part of me thinks that's right, that Tadatsuru and Sodachi were just added on for the sake of expanding the story but then on the other hand, I like Tadatsuru so I can't bag on him that much.
Hana was a fucking masterpiece however and so things are going to look worse in comparison to that.
Numachi actually really ends up being a really good character for a one-shot. She brings up a lot of neat points and is a great example of two of Hana's key themes.
"Good's motive is the jealousy of Evil" and "Even the most Evil of acts can save someone, while the most Good of acts can harm someone"
Kanbaru only helped Numachi move on because she was jealous. Kanbaru herself admits it and it was a good act in the end.
Numachi herself even goes around helping people like a good oddity even if her collecting misery would be considered suspect at best.
On a side note. I came to a conclusion recently. Numachi popped in and out of existence based on who needed Akuma-sama. Her memory didn't accommodate that fact so Numachi had to convince herself she was traveling around Japan to collect Devil Parts to forcibly fix that correction.
Does that mean Mayoi after Mayoi Snail was in the same boat and she wasn't physically around when it wasn't Araragi or Hanekawa observing her?
>>133709030
I have no idea what Nisio was trying to do with Tsuki. It introduced a specialist that to my knowledge had no prior foreshadowing whatsoever, then spat on the established pattern of Specialists being key ideological figures within the story by having him do nothing but spout off some vague exposition and die. Other than that practically nothing happened for the entire volume in terms of either character or plot development.
But I try not to be too severe in my opinion of it because I'm limited to the translation of the english adaptation, and already know that SHAFT has completely dropped the ball on at least one prior occasion.
>inb4 faggots parroting the "muh setting up" argument completely ignorant of the concepts of story structure and pacing
As for Hana, there's so much going on between Kanbaru and Numachi that I could (and have) spend several length-capped posts on it. Nearly every aspect of her character reflects Kanbaru's psyche in some way (and vice versa). For example, you mention that Kanbaru ultimately helped Numachi despite having less than pure motives; It's also true that Numachi was causing great harm to Kanbaru with harmless intentions.
This discrepancy between intent and effect is something that Kanbaru was unable to overcome until Araragi intervened.
As for the nature of Numachi's existence, I'd have to see/read the other story that centers on her skirmish with Kaiki to better comment on that. Her character (in Hana, anyway) is so strongly rooted to Kanbaru's psyche that, together with the ambiguous nature of oddities, there's all sorts of possibilities.
>>133641267
Snake is only popular because of renai circulation fuck this shit
>>133649437
You have a new rare type of autism
>>133710221
Tadatsuru came out of nowhere. He wasn't foreshadowed which was my issue but his personality is pretty enjoyable so I don't really wish to delve deeper and ruin it for myself for thinking to much about it.
Man, the Numachi business is the best. Rouka God basically explains the Kaiki business and how Kaiki appreciates how Numachi goes around and conducts her business.
Also Kanbaru taking Araragi's advice was actually some of the funniest stuff I've seen. Araragi straight up quotes Tooe and Numachi as advice she shouldn't take and that she should make her own decisions and then she goes along and follows Araragi's advice to make her own decisions.
She effectively overrides all the advice she'd been given earlier in the arc by Tooe, Kaiki and Numachi by listening to Araragi who (while an idealized version of Kanbaru) is still someone who's advice holds no more weight than anyone else's.
In the end Araragi and Kanbaru's mutual idolization of eachother is actually one of the most amazing things about the arc.
Araragi respects Kanbaru's character and admits she's actually pretty amazing that when put into a situation similar to his own, she is able to actually pull through on her own strength while Kanbaru models herself after the Araragi he tries to be for her.
>>133696076
I would befriend Sodachi and help her move beyond her past and learn to accept herself as a worthwhile person and not reject happiness.
When not busy with that I would ravish her hourly until she was an incoherent mess, covered in her own juices and involuntarily spasming and shaking,
>>133711283
As always, Anonymous has a heart of gold.
>>133656452
including kaiki right
>>133711283
I bet she is actually the easiest character.
>>133710850
I have a rather different take on it, personally. I think that all three of them were actually, effectively, telling Kanbaru the same thing that Araragi finally got through to her in the end.
Tooe's speech at the beginning was essentially about moral relativism, telling her to pursue her goals and not worry excessively about moral repercussion (become medicine or poison) because it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.(humans are all just toys anyway, etc.)
Numachi attempted to absolve Kanbaru of her guilt (taking the arm), and explained it as time healing past wounds and misdeeds. (Parallels Gaen's earlier lines about moral relativism.) She also wished for Kanbaru to live a happy, fulfilled life.
Kaiki, being a pragmatist, went with the direct route and stuffed her with physical gratification (expensive food) and told her that Numachi will help her out with the arm.
The thing is none of them really got through to her, Kanbaru's self-loathing prevented that from happening. One might even go so far as saying that all three recognized the state Kanbaru was in and were attempting to console her. The disconnect between how she and her father viewed Tooe (demon and god respectively) implies that even back then she had this kind of issue.
As for how Araragi was different, I'm not entirely sure. My best guess is that Tooe, Numachi, and Kaiki all tried to help Kanbaru, while Araragi told Kanbaru that only she can help herself. The end of their conversation where Araragi asks if he can help, and she declines, seems to be a pretty strong indicator for this. It is also worth note that Araragi had a very similar personal experience (Sodachi) which may have given him a closer perspective that Kanbaru could relate to.
All that said, it's the first time I've thought much about this particular aspect of the story. Thanks for bringing it up.
ARARAG-ALA LA GI
>>133712411
Slight correction, Araragi didn't technically get the answer through to Kanbaru. He gave Kanbaru the means to discover for herself what the others had been trying to tell her all along.
Why is Sodachi the only normal girl who doesn't have black hair?
>>133714138
>normal
>>133714138
>normal
>>133714992
>>133715327
I mean not supernatural. Shinobu is European, Hanekawa has her cat and tiger, and Yotsugi is a corpse, but pretty much everyone else has some color close to black. Did they give Sodachi white hair just to make her stand out?
>>133709023
i just love doll
best sidekick
>>133715578
Maybe it turned white thanks to all the horrible things she witnessed
>>133708558
But the first owari book is the best in the series.
>>133708947
I understand now.
Truly you can't go back.
