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Yo, so I just finished Shinsekai Yori and I gotta admit, it was pretty good. What I don't get it is the constant spouting of "Squealer did nothing wrong" that goes on here. Yeah, I'm not gonna lie, Squealer was impressive on how calculated he was at some points. He certainly takes the first prize in my book for conniving little cunt, that's for sure. Like how he managed to orchestrate so many events to play out in his favor, tricking the MC group into doing his dirty work,getting two of the MC's to get busy, then killing them to use their child as a means to fight against the humans, not to mention stealing the kids from the orphanage, as well as various other things. But I like him as much as I like Senator Armstrong, especially since they had similar morals and endgoals. He had good values and he wanted to change things for his people for the better, in a way, but he had a fucked up way of doing it.
Thing is, I don't blame him for wanting to rebel. No one should want to live underneath a boot all their life. But the way he went about it was just plain scummy. Sending most of his troops to their death and not even caring about them.Killing the MC's friends after forcing them to have a child to then use to kill everyone they cared about. Not to mention lying to their friends saying he'd help them escape.Even after getting his trump card, he had, at most, a 50/50 chance of winning. Especially when you only have guns and crossbows and you're going up against literal super-humans. It's like going all in with a Full House against an opponent that can change their hand at the last second to be a Royal Flush.
1/2
In the end though, he, in my humble opinion, didn't deserve the treatment he got. I especially felt that after they explained the origin of the Queerats. Shit was majorly fucked up. Was his heart in the right place? Absolutely. But the way he went about it was, to quote Raiden here, "bat-shit insane".
Overall, a fun experience. Squealer was the best developed character, while Kiroumaru was best character in general. 8.5/10
What did you think of it, /a/?
>>132645997
It was pretty good. I'd give it a 8/10.
Most people here think it's God's gift.
He really did nothing wrong though.
>>132645980
>50/50
If not for that lion queerat, the human race would have gone extinct. That weapon was unstoppable for humans because of that feedback nonsense. IF not for the lion sacrificing himself and causing that mental breakdown, Squealer would have won.
That said, Squealer did everything wrong. Sudden blitz with an unstoppable weapon is one thing, but he could have kept up the subtlety far better. I mean, train the weapon to act like a normal human, then have it attack out of nowhere in a crowded place. He did this ONE time, and after completely blowing his cover. If he had stayed hidden as the unseen mastermind, he would have won. Instead, he went full retard and let himself be known as the bad guy.
The humans were assholes and shitbags, sure, but Squealer deserved what he got.
He literally did nothing wrong.
The only reason he is perceived as a villain is the fact that he is not the protagonist. Throughout the entire series, all of his actions were justifiable.
I watched the series but forgot what happened to him in the end. Would a kind anon please refresh my memory?
It's good, but not GOAT like some folks make it out to be.
Fascists (Kami) vs Socialists (Rats) hurr durr peace and order is more important than human rights
It's garbage nip propaganda
>>132645980
Is this Conker's Bad Fur Day?
>>132648143
If I remember correctly he didn't even really have to die either. It was just cause the both of this kids suddenly had to feel morally responsible for a fucking weapon.
>>132645980
He was a great villain, but he was absolutely a total cunt and clearly cared more about his personal power than the well being of his people or any other such bullshit people try to say.
>>132645997
fucked up? He came from a history of people enslaved and genetically altered to be inferior what sort of better way would there have been? If suddenly flies wanted to be recognized as citizens of the planet and proved capable of cognitive intelligence comparable to humans would you suddenly stop swatting at them?
The series was watery at points having made an engaging world and history that was more interesting than the story told for most of the time. The queerat uprising was probably the only redeeming thing about the lite novel and subsequent anime.
Squeeler was just doing what any sane intelligent creature does when realizing persecution over eras they do whatever they can wherever they can to try and make things better. Sure it was one sided and in favor of the queerats but if you found out you came from a long line of people who used to be eaten as cattle by the ancestors of your neighbors you'd probably have some hard feelings left over. Assuming of course in this hypothetical scenario your neighbors still interacted with you in a positive and cordial manner but reminded you of how they couldn't wait for you to come of age and that your father and older brother went on a life long trip to support your family around that same age.
The series was 3/10 at best but the world building and the culmination of the final story arc redeemed some if not most of it. This is why people have fond memories of the series ignoring all the fuckery that went on at other times.
>>132648464
he gets transmuted via PSI powers into a constantly pained living conscious tumor to atone for his "wrong doings" against a race of demigods.
Reminder the queerats and these demigods both descended from humans and the queerats were forced into genetic mutation to become human animal hybrids to work as slaves for the demigods leisure.
Morally a lot of things were really fucked up but he wanted to build a better world for his people. Just another reminder that absolute power corrupts absolutely.
>>132645997
>But the way he went about it was, to quote Raiden here, "bat-shit insane".
Why? They were in every way inferior to the magic users. He had to use all of the cards he had available.
>>132645980
>the way he went about it was just plain scummy
What, so he should have just half-assed his plans so he wouldn't seem so mean? He saw a chance to save his race and took it. He did what he had to do to secure victory. He plainly says the sacrifices would have been worth it had they won. Humans did the same shit sacrificing themselves and their even kids to survive. LITERALLY did nothing wrong. He might have even succeeded if he had managed to kill Kiroumaru.
Squealer was a true hero and freedom fighter. If you doubt me, just re-watch the final episode again.
>>132649321
You sir a saint. Thanks :).
>>132649321
>he wanted to build a better world for his people.
He didn't give a fuck about them. He just wanted to be in charge
>>132645980
>What I don't get it is the constant spouting of "Squealer did nothing wrong" that goes on here.
>He certainly takes the first prize in my book for conniving little cunt, that's for sure.
"X did nothing wrong" is secret code for "X is a conniving little cunt who deserved to lose and did."
So yeah, you're basically right about everything.
>>132649656
What gave you that impression? Can you elaborate a little more than "he was doing shitty things the whole time."
A big fault of the story is not giving a detailed exposition behind his planning. He merely states that he wants to liberate the Queerats this could have meant all of them or just his race or tribe w/e. His primary objective was annihilation of the Human race that was subjecting them to the rules of nature, enslaving, and killing them without a second thought. He was the most intelligent leader of his tribe and as such took a leadership position but to say that his only motivation was to be in charge is a watery argument at best.
I just wish we heard more of the history of this world as it was way more interesting than the story of some kids coming of age where they all have super powers. It really was an interesting world but the main story was just sort of filler until the Queerat squealer narrative at the end.
>>132649444
>He saw a chance to save his race and took it.
If you have to kill 3/4's of your race to do so in the process, are you really saving them? You're no worse than the people ruling over. You'd just be a ruler of a mountain of corpses.
>Humans did the same shit sacrificing themselves and their even kids to survive.
They killed their kids because they were deathly afraid of possible outbreaks.
Not to mention, he could have been way, waaay smarter about the way he went about doing everything like what >>132648143 said.
>>132649656
>He didn't give a fuck about them. He just wanted to be in charge
If I'm not mistaken, it's mentioned that the Queerats had formed a democratic society.
If so then that would mean Squeeler was an elected official.
>>132649504
>because we are not your slaves
DROPPED
Isn't this that anime people only like because of the gays in it? Kinda like Free!
"Humans" destroyed ancient civilization with their mutant powers, throwing the world into a dark age of violence and genocide. The only thing that stops them from killing each other again is ruthless eugenics and brainwashing under an Orwellian state. Not to mention that a powerful enough karma demon even has the potential to destroy life on Earth.
Queerats on the other hand devote themselves to their colonies and constantly improve their societies while living under the tyrannical rule of the mutants.
Mutants are a danger to themselves and the world, as long as a Cantus user is still alive there won't be peace. Therefore, there is only one solution: a final solution, and Squealer truly did nothing wrong.
>>132649774
running joke aside squealer did bad things but with a good reason to do so he was a machiavellian villain what he did was designed to make you think him deplorable but in the end he was making all the right choices and decisions. Morality changes just as fast as crossing a crack on the sidewalk its easier to say x is right or y is wrong but it's harder to look at both subjects objectively and determine who or what is empirically right.
In the purest sense Squealer did nothing wrong. It was the actions of the main protagonists who stopped him. Had he completed his task without their opposition he would have lived forever as the savior of the planets dominant race indefinitely.
>>132649656
>>132649774
Did you guys even watch the show?
Squealer is basically Lelouch, but everyone loves Lelouch because he's charismatic where Squealer is not.
Both of them are rebelling against an extreme super powered state oppressing the world through violence. They both respond in kind with violence of their own. They both know many innocent people will suffer and die at their hands, but they sacrifice them and themselves for the sake of what is right.
It's crazy how many people support Lelouch but hate Squealer.
>>132645980
I stopped reading at the metal gear comparison. Please expand your repertoire.
>>132650352
Lelouch was a cunt but willing to sacrifice himself for his beliefs.
Squealer was always just a cowardly bitch-baby that talked big but was ultimately full of shit to try to justify himself and manipulate people.
>>132650352
Well the thing is SSY is told from the oppressor's PoW who don't even realize it until the very end which is one of the most unique things SSY has. There is almost nothing to sympathize with Squealer until the final episode.
Code Geass is told mostly from Lelouch's side so we see his motives from the start and so it's much easier to take his side.
>>132650198
Based on what you said, it's in that same context that because he lost, he was wrong. In the world they lived in, it was a complete "kill or be killed, Survival of the fittest" kind of world. Whereas in the past, humans were at the top of the food chain because of our capacity to think, these guys were at the top because of literally having Tele/Psycho/Pyrokinesis.
Squealer and gang have the huge handicap of not having this, so it's like an ant trying to take on a human. Granted, they came close, if only because of outside, but they still ending up losing.
>>132650499
Anon you
A: forgot your argument
and
B: basically provided a proof for his
Squealer had to turn his mother into a person production factory to move forward with his society how is that not a sacrifice? Are you implying since he didn't personally go out and perform the terrible actions he had a part in he didn't have to sacrifice anything personally?
>>132650697
It's not a sacrifice if he doesn't give a fuck about her.
>>132650499
What indicates he was lying about his motives? The rats had established a democratic society with equal rights for all. That lines up with what he claims to be fighting for. Where's your evidence he was lying and was actually a power hungry dictator?
>>132650532
>Code Geass is told mostly from Lelouch's side so we see his motives from the start and so it's much easier to take his side.
I agree, I think this is why. I imagine if we started from Squealer's point of view things would be different. It would show him groveling and begging when in the presence of humans. It would show the humans wiping out rats for trivial offenses, which ultimately set Squealer on his path. I imagine it would be something like that.
Both sides did terrible things to both themselves and the enemy side and all that yadda yadda, Squealer's biggest crime was not allowing adult Maria.
>>132650389
Is there something wrong with that comparison? Armstrong and Squealer both wanted to change everything in their own way. Armstrong wanted America to truly be a land of the free, free of corruption, where the strong can fight for what they want, while Squealer wanted to change the world in it's entirety to free his fellow queerat brothers from the oppressive boot of the Cantus users.
I'm sorry I upset you because I don't have Shakespearean comparisons for Squealer, as I don't remember a lot of Shakespeare stories at the top of my head.
>>132650666
Ah but that's very much the way history works the winners determine after looking back at their terrible misdeeds what was right and wrong. Being outside observers we can view the events objectively rather than subjectively. I can only assume this is what others meant when people say Squealer did nothing wrong.
Otherwise as the loser yeah he fucked up and got what he deserved.
>>132650065
It is one of those anime where it got universally panned while airing but then gain a following outside /a/ over time.
>>132648615
You can't be this much of a idiot.
>>132650814
Because he lied about literally everything else the entire time, and only gave this "who are the real monsters" bullshit at the end.
Why would anyone believe him after everything? It's a last ditch effort to avoid punishment
Squealer the name is a blatant Animal Farm reference, which makes it pretty obvious Squealer's rebellion is suppose to have parallels with the Marxist rebellion. If he had succeeded he probably would've ruled as a singular dictator and the living conditions fot the rat people probably wouldn't change.
>>132650943
Yes I can, and you can't stop me.
>>132650744
Squealer even says it was with great reluctance that they had to lobotomize their own mother. That's the mother of every single one of the people in their tribe. What does it say about you anon that you decided he didn't give a fuck about reducing his own mother to live in a vegitative state to continue the progeny of his race.
He didn't just do it on a whim it was justified by the queen oppressing her children with undeniable ownership. She then became violent and began killing her own offspring and subsequently her own livelihood.
Again you lack any real argument and show evidence for the argument in the other post.It's my hopes that both posts are by the same person for the sake of playing devils advocate in order to continue discussion.
>>132651013
Of course he lied to the super powered God-like beings that had enslaved his entire race and could kill him at any moment.
Even suggesting the idea of equal rights for monster rats is punishable by death (pic related). He had to lie or else he would be killed immediately.
>>132650824
America isn't a fucking enslaved race, it's a fucking dumb comparison by any standard. Kill yourself.
What made Squealer any better for his people than the humans, exactly? He did everything to beings less smart than him that he accused the humans of, except he was incompetent enough to lead them to ruin.
The other anon >>132651080 is right. He's Animal Farm as fuck.
>>132651294
Thanks, you too.
If not for the terror animation, poor pacing in the middle, and one particular scene, would have been a lot more popular here.
That said, despite its flaws, it deserves an objective, solid 8.5/10+. All the flaws in the show can be overlooked, but Squealer is just a solid villain. How the show encompasses the MC's entire life is a plus and so is the good world building.
>>132651080
>Squealer the name is a blatant Animal Farm reference
As an ESL I feel slightly frustrated for having missed something so obvious for so long.
>>132650824
Armstrong isn't the leader of an oppressed group, trying to free his people. It's a shitty comparison.
>>132651387
What scene?
>>132651591
Let's say he actually won. Humans are gone, he's democratically in charge of the survivors of his race.
Then what? He graciously steps down when some upcomer gets more support? He gives in to the retard rat-people's self-ruining ideas when they demand something dumb?
He'd go full South American dictatorship on every level of dissent. The thing with "ends justify the means" characters is that there's never and end to their ends.
>>132651080
The parallels are undeniable, however without any evidence to back that its just conjecture. Nice catch though :^)
While I can't speak for others it often appears people who did not sympathize with squealer were challenged or offended by his methods when he really had no other choice. The analogy between Lelouch and Squealer made earlier is pretty spot on. People only saw Squealer after he had committed to or performed something atrocious while Lelouch did the same he also had enough screen time and dialougue to sway the viewer into siding with him along the tremendous acts of violence. In the end they both had a similar obstacle and the only difference was the execution of overcoming it and the final results. Squealer lost and as a loser was fated with being hated. Lelouch successfully freed the world of britannias rule whereas Squealer nearly did with the Cantus users. They both met grim fates however Lelouch is loved outside of his universe while Squealer is hated.
>>132651591
>>132651591
>>132651627
Bonerbos
>>132645997
>>132645980
Look, the issue is that you're taking the "didn't do nothing wrong" as a serious statement.
Only the 14-24 year old crowd of 4chan takes that seriously. Adults understand that every action has some wrong associated with it-- this is an existential question for the queerats.
1) They are currently suppressed by a fascist regime.
2) Their own queen will eat or destroy them.
3) The humans routinely execute and purge their own ranks, killing children by indirect means.
4) The humans butcher queerats at will and do not regard them as intelligent life or accord them any rights.
5) The humans deliberately censor or otherwise redact the actual truths of their own existence.
What kind of mercy should you show an enemy that will show none to you? What ethical duties do you have towards beings that seek to enslave and oppress you? What obligations do you have towards hypocrites who murder their own young anyways?
The answer is none.
For the queerats, there is no moral treatment owed and no "atrocity" they commit against humans could even be considered such.
>>132651591
teens experimenting in homolust. just imagine any given night at football camp its basically the same thing.
>>132651680
Not according to what was said in the show. Under the democratic Queerat community intellectual pursuits were handed to those with the greatest aptitude. Just like any Democracy there would be good leaders and bad leaders but to claim he would become a dictator is a bit too fan canon given the material provided.
Until the writer of the original lite novel comes out with an alternate ending where Squealer wins and does all that it's a pretty baseless accusation. That is outside of the mentality of "Squealer is the bad guy so he will always do evil" mindset.
>>132651680
Read earlier in the thread, Squealer had established a democracy when he could've seized power. Did you even watch the show?
>>132651921
Very well said tbh
>>132651921
I like your answer. But considering Squealer declared himself as a human, he could have shown it morally. Even if you are facing absolute monsters, these are monsters that think themselves cultured and above everyone else. He didn't have to stoop to their level to try and meet his endgoals. By being the bigger person and showing that they were more human to begin with, they could have made the actual humans question their archaic as fuck way of thinking.
Because honestly, if the mutant mole people end up being more human than the actual humans, it goes to show you how wrong the actual humans are to begin with. Just my two cents on the matter.
>>132651921
This is a well constructed, composed, and presented post.
To respond to OP why should Squealer be expected to show mercy when his race never received any.
>>132652366
Squealer was at a gigantic disadvantage and if he even questioned the humans he would get vaporized immediately.
He had no room to be moral. Queerats would never stop being slaves through diplomatic means. We are alking about a society that has their children devoured by mutant cats for the slightest thing, do you think they give a shit about queerats?.
>>132651258
>>132652366
I would normally agree, but the penalty for saying rats are equal to humans is death.
>>132652366
I don't think the humans even regarded the queerrats as sentient beings, or at least equal to humans. Those appeals for morality wouldn't work. They would just disregard Squealer's attempts at morality and simply crush him like a bug, like they have done to the previous colonies. I think Squealer felt his only choice was to exterminate the humans in order to survive.
Even at the end Satoru when figured out that queerrats were descended from humans, he couldn't feel the same sympathy towards them as he does to humans. Those beliefs that queerrats were pests were probably ingrained in him at that point, much like the other humans.
>>132652366
Are you a shounen manga protagonist? I didn't realize that real people could be so naive. If the molerats made a more "moral" uprising or attempted to gain their freedom in some other diplomatic way they would just be annihilated. The psychics were fully aware of the molerats' circumstances and were perfectly content to keep the molerats as slaves. The psychics had no reason to make concessions when they had total dominance over the molerat species. The molerats only hope was to seize power through force, and it was perfectly logical for them to "stoop to any level" to do so.
That said, the "did nothing wrong" meme is dumb and needs to die.
Saki wanted to change things before the timeskip even happened. She did absolutely jack shit. Squealer did everything right by the sole fact alone that he sparked change, unlike that useless dyke.
>>132653169
You still need to add Tatami to that top, anon.
If there was someone who did nothing wrong it was Kiromaru.
He exacted revenge upon Squealer for massacring his soldiers with the illegal help of a cantus user and managed to get the Giant Hornets be one of the few colonies to get spared.
He wanted to free his people from their opressors and used whatever means necessary to achieve his goal
Using cruel and underhanded methods is only way the queerats have to ever hope achieving victory when the balance of power is shifted so heavily on the human side
Squealer was right in the both senses of the word
he played his card right, he isn't like other faggots that lost because stupidity
then he is right on his actions, imagine a bunch of superpowered evil aliens come and enslave al humanity, the hero will:
>kill aliens to get alien tech to work for him
>masacre aliens with said tech
>hero's side will do an heroic sacrifice
>find and destroy the only ting aliens can use to retaliate
and everyting he does will be aceptable because hes a good looking human and aliens are ugly
That one guy killing everyone made me think of what happens to every society that "successfully" bans "all" weapons: the moment someone finds/makes one, everyone including the authorities are FUCKED.
>>132648384
>all of his actions were justifiable
wanton killing of innocents is not justifiable
>>132653859
How the hell do you even ban all weapons?
This anime was great. After thinking about the events that happened in this show the conclusion I came up with is that Squealer had the right approach but poor execution. Knowing the mistakes he made I would be even more ruthless and violent. There is no other solution to this problem I can realistically come up with.
You need to be as evil as possible to save your people as there is no room for righteousness in that world. Righteousness and morality is a luxury for those who live in safety.
>>132653915
It wasn't wanton and they where not innocent.
>mfw this thread
Did I end up on the wrong website somehow?
>>132655469
Sizable replies with actual argumentation.
>>132655469
People are having reasonable discussion.
>>132655680
What would you hate in this show anyway? Gotta admit I had a bad laugh at the ep 8 faggotry, but it was understandable given the story and context.
>>132649935
>If you have to kill 3/4's of your race to do so in the process, are you really saving them?
Not the anon you replied to but the answer is yes as long as you get every cantus user.
Cantus users already killed billions, destroyed society as we know it and basically most of human civilization.
>>132645997
>Even after getting his trump card, he had, at most, a 50/50 chance of winning
>But the way he went about it was, to quote Raiden here, "bat-shit insane".
What's your point exactly? If he didn't do those things he would never of had a chance. This is like saying the outcome of WW2 was great for us but why didn't the allies use non-lethal weapons.
>>132649935
>If you have to kill 3/4's of your race to do so in the process, are you really saving them?
Yes. Surviving is not living, there are vastly different.
>You're no worse than the people ruling over. You'd just be a ruler of a mountain of corpses.
And? His goal wasn't to prove he had higher morals. Even if that was his goal he had already proven that simply by existing, the cantus users had created an extremely un-moral society and using their absolute power to their full benefit (They fucking mutated intelligent human lifeforms for slaves for fucks sake).
Cantus users could of had the tools and knowledge to remove their powers or restore the regular human race, but they didn't because "muh evolution".
Was the society that cantus users were forced to live in worth the absolute power? Reminds me of Gargantia, sacrificing your humanity usually isn't worth it.
I find it cute that people say that Squealer was trying to exterminate the human race, when in fact the human race was already extinct, and there were only elves and orcs left.
>>132648143
>train the weapon to act like a normal human, then have it attack out of nowhere in a crowded place
You're an idiot. The whole motive that the Messiah could do what he could was because he didn't think of himself as a human, training him act like a normal human in the dumbest thing squealer could have done.
Human society was fucked up. Squealers did nothing wrong.
>>132656659
Pretty much this, that aside, I won't be surprised if they just couldn't do that even if they wanted to.
I half remember Satoro mentioning that they don't actually know what exactly is the gene that give the Cantus.
>>132652366
>considering Squealer declared himself as a human, he could have shown it morally
Well, he did. You keep forgetting humans are giant dicks in that show.
More generally, there's nothing the queerrats under Yakomaru have done that humans haven't done historically. And that's no wonder since Yakomaru learned much from human records.
>if the mutant mole people end up being more human than the actual humans, it goes to show you how wrong the actual humans are to begin with
Seems like your anthropocentric view is pretty deeply ingrained.
>>132656869
Yes, he did.
His biggest mistake was the way that dealt with Kiroumaru. I'm fairly confident that he saw him as nothing more than a obedient slave for the humans, not understand that at the end of the day they were a bit similar, they both loved their race and he only acted live a slave to avoid anything that could anger the humans - and therefore cause the destruction of his colony. They just had a difference in the way that they treated their mother, and I'm 100% that they could have been allies in the fight against the humans had Squealer come in the open with Kiroumaru and let his colony do whatever they wanted with their mother, that was the biggest motive behind his defeat.
>>132657119
>Well, he did. You keep forgetting humans are giant dicks in that show.
Yeah, I felt everything I said in response to the previous anon was kind of moot after I said it. You can't be diplomatic in a situation where diplomacy isn't an option. Humans were dirtbags and were content with treating queerats like garbage.
>Seems like your anthropocentric view is pretty deeply ingrained.
What do you mean by this?
>>132645980
"X did nothing wrong" is always said ironically, be it Squealer, Hitler, or Homura. It's a MEEM, you dip.
if you are saying squealer is a bad person,then what would you have done if you was him?
live as a cattle for the queen to easily dispose of you?
try something new only to be disposed of by the super humans because they want to maintain their so called "balance''?
all i see is someone desperately trying to survive
if he ever hope to live humanely, he will have to get rid of the super human, there's no negotiation
>>132645980
>tricking the MC group into doing his dirty work
As with all pretty much all displays of cunning in fiction, this is more due to lazy writing that makes things turn out just according to keikaku when they have to, rather than the characters behaving in a thoughtful manner.
You could smell all the shit that was going to go on from miles away, including the great revealthat molerats are the result of human experimentationat the end.
>>132657891
Build some ships and go to someplace without humans? Go so deep underground that humans won't even find them ever again? Develop technology in the level where he could actually win against humanity, and not struggle and eventually lose against just one of many villages?
Also, while I think that Squealer is a bad person, I would probably think of him as a hero that fought against the odds and won against a bunch of demi gods, but he lost, he just made things worse for everyone around him.
Too bad we didnt get much shisui badassery, Im wondering if he was shown to be much more powerful in the novel, maybe some story of his expedition against foreign rats or some crazy ruins.
![[UTW]_Shinsekai_Yori_-_25_[h264-720p][F280761E].mkv_snapshot_18.42_[2013.04.30_14.18.59].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/8oodNHH.jpg "[UTW]_Shinsekai_Yori_-_25_[h264-720p][F280761E].mkv_snapshot_18.42_[2013.04.30_14.18.59].jpg")
Squealer made himself out to be a bigger victim than he actually was, took it out on all the kami-samas rather than just the ones that were being abusive, and his actions ultimately caused more harm to his people than good.
Squealer did everything wrong. He is basically a depiction of modern day SJWs. He deserved what he got.
>>132657987
>That hindsight bias
>>132659275
Yeah no, I called that final thing after the ten-minute infodump in episode 4.
>>132659335
Wow your so smart
>>132659542
Thanks, anon.
>>132653540
Kiroumaru was the best character, after all.
The story was genuinely good and the later twists seriously caught me off guard, I wasn't a huge fan of the characters themselves though.
>>132658070
Oh yeah, that motherfucking guy. He fucking compresses the explosion with his psychic powers. Jesus, that was badass.
>>132653540
>>132661364
He was nothing but a race traitor in the end and died to protect the very regime that oppressed his people from what he perceived as an even larger threat.
I think >>132657286 got it right. What both Squealer and Kiroumaru did wrong was not putting their political and ideological agendas aside for a while to work for a common, greater cause. It was their undoing and guaranteed a few more centuries of even harsher oppression for their people.
>>132662045
wat
>>132662202
I think tumblrina there got mad at the use of "race traitor"
>>132657800
but squealer and hitler really did nothing wrong.
>taking a side
Queerrats are assholes, cantus users are even bigger assholes. Let them both die off and a better race can evolve in their place
>>132663705
Like what?
>>132663732
Bonobos of course
I love how Squealer rambles about military tactics and idolises that one queerat military genius. He's a well rounded character.
>>132653169
>People genuinely believe this
>>132664587
>People genuinely fall for such bait.
>>132664587
I think both are some of the best shows to come out in the last few years
>>132650824
I'm generally fine with mgs comparisons but you could have compared to something else than goddamn rising,
>>132653169
I really like the show, but naming it "best" is kinda strange as the show has obvious flaws concerning for example unstable animation quality and some exposition gay scenes which were handled a lot better in the novel. But I think it's fair to say it's definitely one of the best, considering it has actually themes that still raise discussion and are not readily chewed, making it stand amongst anime that is generally directed towards children.
>>132649935
The whole point of Yori is that people ultimately do as they please regardless of "morality" that they try to instill in their children.
>>132653169
agree
Gotta say, this show always was interesting all the way through. It was fucked up but not in a very try hard way, and a lot of things added up nicely, especially with the final arc.
>>132654312
Youre an idiot.
>>132652366
Being the bigger person only gets you a bullet in the neck anon
>>132651921
Well said, Anon
>>132653915
>innocents
They're all guilty. They're all complicits
>>132652366
>>I like your answer. But considering Squealer declared himself as a human, he could have shown it morally.
The whole show was about deconstructing morality.
>>132665845
He's right though. If anything you should blame Cantus users for killing actual innocents, as in their own children.
Who here can defend a society of child killers, enslavers, and mass murderers towards sentient species, and in that case, humans ?
>>132666082
People who don't like the fact that queerats aren't either bishonens or cute lolis
>>132666082
That was rhetorical, right?
If not, more than you'd think.
>>132666256
Since we're mainly talking about morality in this thread, it was not rethorical. I'm actually curious to see an argument which is not convoluted and points only to the brutality of Queerats
>>132645980
>not to mention stealing the kids from the orphanage
what did they do with them ? I forgot
>>132665285
It has its issues, particularly with the pacing early and the somewhat stale characters, with a few notable exceptions.
However the plot, world building and themes are way above the anime average and lead to interesting discussion that goes beyond waifufagging like can be seen ITT.
Solid 8/10 for me.
>>132666525
They wanted to raise them into weapons like they did with Maria and Mamoru's child to conquer Japan and the World.
I guess they were rescued or killed after the humans won.
>>132666631
too bad we never saw anything outside of this village in japan, I wonder how it is in some country
>>132666794
From the novel there are various districts in Japan that should work like Kamisu 66. Japan's population is 30.000 and Kamisu 66 had around 3.000 I think.
The rest of the world is a mystery.
I see no one posted the site yet, so.
shinsekai.cadet-nine.org
>>132653915
>Cantus users
>innocent
There is literally nothing wrong with being Jewish
>>132645980
>>132645997
Squeeler was a complicated character. He made the best out of a shitty situation. I don't like him personally, but at the same time, I feel sorry for him.
>>132666991
Fucking Saki, it wasn't enough.
>there are people arguing for rats and against cantus users
>against potentially a omni-potent godlike masterrace
I'm convinced you're the same type of people who suck nigger and Syrian refugee dick simply because they're the underdogs
The cantus users had a reason and a right to do what they did, they're on top of the food chain no matter how you look at it
>>132667138
>Saki
>Fucking
yeah
she was one hell of a slut
>>132668248
>Might is right
>>132668248
yeah only nigger loving Marxists would choose the queerrats
>>132668732
Yep.
She just missed Mamoru.
>>132668744>Chad
>>132668773
Back to >>>/pol/ with you, lost sheeple
>>132668744
might is always on the winning side of history
the history everyone in this thread, including you and me, was born into
there are examples of this in the show as well
Saki really fucked up by not questioning the "fake" bones, it's pretty much all her fault
>>132668773
>Fighting degenerated homosexual bonobo
Yeah, squeatler is clearly not the fascist one in SSY
>>132668990
Yeah that was a really shit move on her part
I wonder if another race will someday try to usurp the humans, it seems like the rats were a Japan only problem.
>>132668990
She, Satoru and the Tomiko gonna fucked by the village elders and committee afterwards.
>>132668816
WHy would I go to /pol/ to discuss my opinions on SSY?
>>132669046
I think you may be the one with brain problems
>>132668990
Hindsight. She knew very little of the Queerrats' evolving capacities and less of SCIENCE.
Why is it that their technology devolved like this?
is it part of the whole buddhist brainwashing thing?
>watched first episode
holy shit this is so fucking boring thanks for nothing /a/
>>132670461
More advanced technology invites a higher population count, and they can't risk that. At least that's my take on it.
It could be that they just have no need for it.
I wonder how long his sacrifice will be remembered, i cant see him getting inside the curriculum for the cantus kids.
>>132670461
They are living good enough now, having technology and probably leak of information from it would make the commoners wanting to know more and its going to be hard to control how and which is appropriate enough to share.
>>132670726
Do you have the messiah death webm?
I'm curious, was it the Queerrat that helped and stayed behind with Maria and the wimpy dude who betrayed them? Was he working with Squealer the whole time. That's the only part I didn't understand. When Maria and Wimp were running away did he lead them to Squealer?
Occasional reminder that:
>we will never see the early PKers fight for survival while being hunted worldwide
>we will never see the rampages of Raman and Klogius
>we will never see a massive city turned into Chernobyl by a Karma Demon
>we will never see how fucked up life under the Emperors was
>we will never see the Bandits riding PK-powered unicycles while plundering and razing towns and villages
Yes I am still salty and I will always be
>>132645980
Are you retarded? You sound like Akane. "Even though it's wrong we have to do the right thing even if that means everybody will get fucked!"
Squealer is the result of genetic modifications on the human race to turn them into docile creatures that can be easily slaughtered by psychics the series describes as more dangerous than nuclear weapons.
Squealer is essentially a 3 foot tall rat. He has to fight people who if he appears to look the right way, but not JUST the right way, he will be instantly killed. Nobody will bat an eye either. He is facing a society that has conditioned him and his kind as trash so worthless that the solution to anytime they do anything the people in power don't like, or even just advance their own society at all they are met with genocide. Everyday he and his people live in fear of death and annihilation. As a punishment for killing a person, this society literally sees it fit to keep him alive as a brain stimulating the the worst possible pain a being can feel for eternity.
And now you are telling me he somehow is evil because he killed two people and acted "scummy?" What exactly did you want him to do? Valiantly charge the psychics and proclaim his freedom, to have all of his people killed instantly by a single psychic user?
I swear to fucking god, pussies like you are why regimes like the Nazi's are able to take power.
>>132670824
Well, he didn't really know where Maria and her boyfriend went either, otherwise he would definitely have told Saki. At this point his tribe was independent from Squealer's.
It's not that much of a stretch that they would find the kids on their own, no one knows the territory as well as them, and it would have been the highest priority to track them down.
>>132654240
His only mistake was not nuking the retarded honorfag Fagamaru harder with his psychic. It's easy to tell who the American rat is and who the Jap rat is.
>American rat
>What's freedom
>Will do anything for the sake of freedom
>Unites the people under freedom
>Creates democracy
>Carries out plan to get rid of all tyrants
Jap rat
>Wants freedom only from those who are not muh queen.
>Cannot accept queen not having absolute power
>Will literally trade entire freedom, life, and the life of his people for the possibility his queen may not die when she would of not died in the first place if he had fought the psychics.
>Kamikaze's the good guy.
>>132671021
>I swear to fucking god, pussies like you are why regimes like the Nazi's are able to take power.
good lord
this entire post reeks of teenage angst and general stupidity
Squealer is a bit of a difficult topic, imo. On one hand, the motivations behind what he was doing were understandable. No one wants to be a slave, particularly if you find out that you used to just like those who enslaved you like he did.
On the other hand, a lot of what he did is very moral reprehensible. What he did to Mamoru and Maria isn't all that nice. They're members of a group of children who Squealer knew to be sympathetic towards his kind, but still used and then murdered them anyway.
Good character, though. Even if not likeable at all - maybe he would have been more so if he didn't sound like he had severe throat cancer.
10/10 anime, my all time favourite.
>>132649935
>If you have to kill 3/4's of your race to do so in the process, are you really saving them.
Yes you blithering retard. In the show it explicitly states their races are CONSTANTLY GENOCIDED, as in not a single one left alive.
If tomorrow the leader of your country announced every single person would have to fight in an oncoming war with the BETA or you will all die, are you going to tell him he's a shitty leader because "making us fight against the BETA means we'll all die you ruler of corpses!"
Squealer had obvious motivations that were not seeded in only power gain. He truly wanted freedom for him and his people. They were willing to die for it. The only other alternative anyway was waiting for death. In the show the rats are all killed whenever they get too smart, big, or anything the psychics do not like.
>>132652366
>these are monsters that think themselves cultured and above everyone else
Yes, so much so that they commonly genocide intelligent rats AND MURDER THEIR OWN CHILDREN, which the rats know because they are the ones who have to do it. I'm sure if he asked nicely they would of stopped though.
>>132648143
>Squealer deserved what he got.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLCEUpIg8rE
Freeeeeeeeeedom!
>>132657323
You are siding with the "humans" who are not human, but insane psychic monsters that force a totalitarian society on themselves in order to prevent everybody from killing everybody instead of the rats who are canonically humans like me and you, don't murder their young, don't genocide, care for intelligent beings and make institutions like democracy just because rats look ugly. Amazing how a huge theme of the show can fly right over your head just because a rat looks ugly.
>>132670821
I dont have it before but now I have.Here.
>>132658038
>Develop technology that could eventually win against humanity?
He literally did. He developed a psychic that could kill psychics and also could not kill him or be controlled. If you watch the show, you will know this is the only weapon that works against psychics because everywhere else is in ruins and was nuked to try to stop psychics who eventually became so powerful a single person could kill billions based off whims.
Rats vs Humans: The Animation.
HUMANS SHOULD CHECK THEIR PRIVILIGE
>>132658298
>Took it out on all of the Kami-samas
Their entire society promoted the genocide of his people because they viewed him as less than trash. Your delusions are hilarious. If Squealer looked like a human and the psychics were tentacle monsters, suddenly you would be praising Squealer for his actions.
All it took for Squealer's entire race to die (which is the human race, by the way, the same one as you and me) was a single individual to not like them. Squealer took initiative and tried to prevent the genocide of his people, and even other tribes.
SQUEALER DID EVERYTHING WRONG
>>132661931
Except Squealer invited Kiroumaru to which Kiroumaru said he was going to tell on them which would lead to the genocide of Squealers people.
>>132670922
Feelsbadman
But from what is known about the Age of Slave Empires from the novels, it would make entire seasons filled with guro-shit.
>>132670461
They purposely limit it. If you'll notice, they have rules on when they can use lights and everything and the leader explains at one point they do that because a bunch of technology can lead to indulgence and decadence which can lead to ogre's.
The ending was pretty awesome but then this appears.Got a last laugh from me.
>>132671188
>Teenage angst because I am mad somebody said to try to reason with a bunch of genocidal child murderers who will kill you if you disagree with them than to take any action you can to try to stop them.
Good argument you got there. You are very mature supporting fascist regimes. I forgot to be an adult like you I have to declare my love for Hitler and Pol Pot.
>>132671886
Pol Pot was a communist, fucktard
>>132653918
lel
>>132653918
lel.
Threadly reminder that he and his bros have died for nothing.
>>132671942
fas·cism
ˈfaSHˌizəm/
noun
noun: fascism; noun: Fascism; plural noun: Fascisms
an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.
In political and social sciences, communism (from Latin communis – common, universal)[1][2] is a social, political, and economic ideology and movement whose ultimate goal is the establishment of the communist society, which is a socioeconomic order structured upon the common ownership of the means of production and the absence of social classes, money,[3][4] and the state.[5][6]
Retard. Next you are going to tell me China is a republic because it's in the name or that North Korea is democratic.
Is the novel translated? Does it have the same awkward presentation and terrible pacing as the anime?
>>132672177
Novels usually have more exposition because they aren't written for ADHD ridden retards like yourself. Stick to LN's.
>>132672138
China is indeed a republic. Albeit not a fully democratic one. But they are ruled by a small senate-like entity called Politburo standing committee consisting of seven to nine members.
>>132670922
I really need to read the novel.
>>132672177
http://shinsekai.cadet-nine.org/category/news/
Fan translation. It's about to be finished.
>>132672248
Never read an LN, never will. I don't recall the details but SSY anime dwelled on some really uninteresting shit in quite a few instances.
>>132671799
Best emperors. The american Emperor was pretty dumb compared to them.
>Empress of Holy Beneficence: The sixty-fourth emperor, who was nicknamed Owl Queen even before she came to power. She believed in all sorts of strange cults, and her PK manifestation was a monstrous owl that came out during the full moon and abducted pregnant girls, cut out their fetuses, skewered them, and offered them up on an altar to the deviant gods of these cults.[1]
>Emperor of Merciful Light: The seventy-ninth emperor, who realized that he could use his PK the night he turned nine years old. At daybreak, he snuck toward the palace and hid himself in the niche behind one of the big vases that lined the hall, where he had a perfect view of the throne. The moment his father, the Emperor of Sincerity, sat down on the throne, he stopped his heart. Then, using his PK to make it appear as though his father were still alive, he snapped the necks of all the emperor's advisers and aides and hid their bodies in vases along the hall. Over twenty people were killed, but to the Emperor of Merciful Light, known as the most heinous murderer in the history of the Holy Cherry Blossom Empire, this was just a warmup exercise. To him, killing was as natural as breathing. Some even suspected that half the time he was not even aware that he was using his PK when he slaughtered his retainers and citizens. During his reign, the population dropped by half, corpses piled up in the fields, drawing clouds of flies that blocked out the sky, and the smell of decay could be detected from kilometers away. Nowadays, the name Emperor of Merciful Light has been forgotten, and only the King of Carnage (King of mountain of corpses and rivers of blood) remains.[1]
>>132670704
The neo-feudal society 500 years ago that we saw two minutes of was already low-tech, so this can't be it.
>>132672397
>This is the Cantus users' true nature.
And people say Squealer was wrong.
>>132672138
Communism is left wing. Pol Pot was left wing. Fascism is right wing.
>>132672177
>Implying the pacing did not pay off in the end
>implying the presentation was awkward
But yeah, I think it is.
>>132672471
Reminder that Squealer is a descendant of this guy:
>>132672115
>>132645980
>but he had a fucked up way of doing it.
It's not like there was a less fucked up way of doing it.
>Sending most of his troops to their death and not even caring about them.
Well, that's the kind of shit that happens when you're fighting demi-gods. There was either this way or being forced to kill your own kind in pointless wars to keep your species' number constant, anyway.
>killing
>lying
Welp, just like everyone in History that has ever done something worthwhile from a military perspective. Of course: he does some shit you can hardly consider moral, but that's how shit works, you don't really get to win wars by being a moral person.
I don't even think he was much developed: he was exactly the same from the start. You only get to know the full extent of his plans afterwards, but he looks fucking suspicious from the very beginning. The only "human" character that actually develops is the MC, and I don't say this as a bad thing, since the whole point of the series is her being the only one (from the main characters, at least) with a degree of psychological freedom enough to do so. The two major queerats don't really develop since they're fully determined to do what they believe they must from the start (which is a nice thing that adds to their character, taking into account their conditions).
I consider it a 9/10. I wasn't expecting anything even half as good until like 15 episodes in. There are flaws, and the story gets convoluted at the end, but it's an enjoyable anime with a well thought story and a lot of intense scenes that also manages makes you think.
>>132672545
>Communism is left wing. Pol Pot was left wing. Fascism is right wing.
I think he was more going for the observation that, ideologies aside, there's a common thread of authoritarianism in both far-left and far-right regimes.
>>132672471
The others are also pretty fucked up. Sadly, there's nothing said about how the rest of the world fared when PK people took over and errected slave empires. I guess even Murricans didnt fare much better in that regard, since PK >>> guns.
>Emperor of Delight: Records state that during the coronation of the fifth emperor, the Emperor of Delight, the public's cheers and applause went on for three days and three nights. The first hundred people to stop clapping were turned into sacrifices. They were set on fire, and their blackened bodies turned into statues to decorate the palace. From then on, the Emperor of Delight was called the Emperor of Eternal Screams.
>Queen of Sorrow: The thirteenth emperor, Empress Airin. Every morning, she took joy in watching public executions of people who had displeased her in some slight way. It became customary for palace workers to fast so as not to throw up in horror during the executions.
>Emperor of Magnanimity: The thirty-third emperor, who was nicknamed Wolf King his entire life, though it gradually took on a negative connotation. This was because he would often go out for a walk in the city on a whim, and leave a mountain of corpses in his wake, like the aftermath of a rampaging beast. The Emperor of Magnanimity's PK image was of the maw of a giant beast dismembering the limbs of people, though parts of the corpses were said to bear the teeth marks of the emperor himself.
>>132672464
Well, what do you really need technology for that you can't do with cantus? Aside from transportation I can only think of information storage and processing. The scientists that made the queerats must have either used cantus or had access to technology more advanced than when the world fell into chaos. The false Minoshiros definitely aren't something that we can make today, so maybe they still have access to it, but only use it when they really need to.
>>132672545
DON'T, anon, DON'T EVEN TRY to argue simple political concepts with Americans. They're beyond any kind of rational reasoning. They've been indoctrinated since their birth.
>>132672712
>Emperor of Pure Virtue: Magnanimity’s son, the thirty-fourth emperor, who was called the Heretic King after his death. When he was twelve, he strangled his sleeping father and fed him to the dogs. He was praised by the public, but he soon became paranoid of being assassinated himself, so one by one, he killed his younger brothers and male cousins and let roaches devour their bodies. But even though there were no longer many PK users who could usurp him, his rule was exposed to other threats. Assassination attempts by normal citizens began. In the end, the Emperor of Pure Virtue developed an abnormal obsession with feeding live humans to wild animals.
http://shinsekaiyori.wikia.com/wiki/Holy_Cherry_Blossom_Empire
>>132670726
>>132671499
This reminds me why I hate psi powers in fiction. Every battle is pretty much only people staring with each other. You don't even get pretty effects you have with actual magic, just staring and stuff blowing up. It's just cheap².
>>132672619
Well no shit, cunts are cunts no matter what ideology they subscribe to.
>hurr muh communism muh fascism
Just fuck off already you /pol/ retards
The Cantus society was based entirely on preventing the annihilation of the remainders of mankind. It has nothing to do with any kind of ideology, neither has enslavement of a race that is only partially human. They're a whole lot closer to cattle than anything else.
>>132672712
Maybe the western world turned into the Land of Ooo in Adventure Time. The more you watch that, you would think it's cactus pollution that created those living food.
>>132671176
>Creates democracy
>Unites the people under freedom
>Carries out plan to get rid of all tyrants
>America
Do they teach you this bullshit at school?
Personally I found the Karma Demons one of the most interesting concepts in SSY and much more dangerous than the Fiends.
Psychics who have their powers manifest their subconscious and lose complete control. They have more power than regular cantus users since they are not bound by any rules and actually have the potential to be a threat to the entire world since they could create some abomination that swallows everything or breaks the rules of physics.
If there's someone who did nothing wrong was the Education Board. Even though their means are terrible, they must avoid that from happening no matter what.
SSY is basically the prequel to 40k, before the Emperor of Man appeared to unite the earth and free it from the enslavement of rampaging psykers and their babarian empires.
>>132672898
>Just fuck off already you /pol/ retards
Oh, the irony...
>>132673218
Yeah, I really can't blame them for their actions. One Karma Demon could end all of Japan
>>132668248
Fuck /pol/tard
>>132671415
Squealer did nothing wrong
ALL HAIL FREEDOM
>>132666082
The whole point is that the Queerats were no longer human. They're dumb as fuck, have less in common with people than dogs, and will never get beyond where Squealer took them because he was a one-off.
>>132672115
Kami sama are bunch of homo filthy elf.
His grand grand son Squealer failed to win the war but in the future, squeerats will raise again
>>132673325
This I kinda like.
>>132668744
And yet everyone defending Squealer is saying that he was right to say the ends justify the means.
>>132675492
>implying cantus user are human
>>132675492
>have less in common with people than dogs
but wasn't the final scene about just the opposite of that? they analysed their DNA, and showed they were just deformed humans
The general shape of your body is codifyed by few genes, thus dwarfs and hairy-faced people
>All these people shitting on Squeeler's strategies
How many times have you nailed a brutal revolution on your first attempt?It's a show, analyze the moral if you want, but know that it's tied by plot. Humans would have never lost. It also served to make the point that even when the truth gets out, things tend to stay the same, and it's difficult to get rid of an oppresing power
>>132676683
>How many times have you nailed a brutal revolution on your first attempt?
Every time I was a major character in an anime.
>>132676683
>Humans
You say that like there are any humans left -- not just Eloi and Morlocks.
>>132673325
Psykers becoming conducts for Warp energy and corrupted by Chaos explains a lot as well, especially with Shun turning everything around him into Chaos spawns.
>>132645980
when everybody went gay it lost me
6/10
for nice moments now and then but the absolute lack of consistency in them and an barly coherent plot drops it from anything i would recommend anybody
>>132677181
>he can't handle some homolust
Stay pleb, fam.
>>132677181
>This is the guy that tries to make awkward jokes about a sex scene in a movie when watching with friends
Was this the show with the naked twelve year old voiced by an actual twelve year old?
Alright I think I kind of get people's complaints about the pacing in the middle, but I don't think "poor pacing," is a good description. I think the middle is definitely the most boring part of the show, it lacked the impressive world-building and atmosphere of the beginning and the dramatic tension of the end. It was kind of this awkward middle ground in the show that was necessary, but just not as brilliantly executed.
Is that what people are talking about when they complain about the pacing in the middle? Because if it is, then I agree. It's not bad, just wasn't as great as the rest.
>>132677762
no, this is a guy that thinks throwing in random homo motives as some cheap attempt at dragging out the plot is a sign of bad and lazy writing you often see from low effort Japanese animation
problem it goes nowhere and the pacing of the story so far hits a brick wall with enough force for at lest 30% of its viewers to drop it right there and then
this plot thread dosnt play any part in the overarching narrative until later parts of the story when social and genetic engineering motives get stronger, but by that point you will be hard pressed to find people still playing any interest, and is still dosnt pay off
that and fuck faggots
>>132650352
>Should not all intelligent individuals be given equal rights?
I never realized how right the phrase "Might makes right" was until I saw this show. Squealer could never reason with the humans, he did the only thing he could to survive as sovereign race and that was human genocide.
10/10 villain, Squealer did nothing wrong.
>>132675492
I have to disagree here. Kiyomaru and Squealer are the most "human" characters in the show, even more so than somewhat 1984 style sanitized MC and her friends. Even the lower queerats have their moment, the near dead one who said he is okay dieing for sqealer because he gonna liberate them from cantus-human, or the one who go extra miles to return Saki's kindness for example.
>>132678033
Good thing that the homo was neither of these then.
>>132651880
>sticks finger inside
Oh shit, they definitely buttfucked
>>132678033
>but by that point you will be hard pressed to find people still playing any interest, and is still dosnt pay off
Also, not everyone have shit taste like you, closet faggot.
>>132678033
Good, real faggot got cut off.
I wish Japan would animate more novels. They're clearly leaps and bounds above most manga adaptations and galaxies ahead of anything Light Novels have produced.
Uchouten Kazoku, Tatami Galaxy, SSY, and a new LOGH adaptation. The 2010's have been pretty good for novel adaptations so far, I think.
>>132678385
>>132678217
>get called out for being faggots
>NO U THE FAGGOT
fucking my sides
its like poetry, fuck me
>>132678440
One would think that light novels would be a bit deeper than manga due to the format, but it's the opposite actually and most LN are complete shit.
>>132678548
Most LNs are like books like Twilight or Harry Potter in the US. Easy reading for teenagers, but it certainly isn't high quality.
>>132678033
It was part of the setting and an important factor in drama and world-building. Granted, it's handled poorly in the anime with sudden exposition so I cannot exactly blame you for disliking it. In the novels it was clear from the beginning the society was bisexual, but in the anime it is brought up suddenly. I however believe you cannot judge entire series because of half an episode of homolust.
>>132678440
Don't forget the Project Itoh novels.GENOCIDAL ORGAN WHEN
>>132679234
Yeah, forgot about those since I haven't really heard much on them. I'll be looking forward to their eventual BD release though.
We can all agree that Saki is pretty damn fuckable, child, teen, or adult.
>>132679497
>Manglobe
>Releasing anything
I've got bad news for you, anon
>>132679700
Interestingly her designs as a child are most fuckable.
>>132678708
Yep, it's just stuff written for high schoolers. High Art? Nah but I still tend to enjoy watching adaptations from time to time.
>>132678440
I wish Japan just did more good adaptations in general. One of the things I loved about the Ping Pong anime was that it added some stuff here and there but only to give characters more depth and they didn't verge off into shitty fanfic territory like so many adaptations of my favorite manga.
>>132671484
I never thought they looked ugly. Looks were never a key issue here. I just thought that if Squealer was a human, like he said he was, they would have gotten more results, y'know, like the saying "catch more flies with honey than vinegar." But after reading a lot of these posts and remembering a lot of crucial events in the show, I realize that is impossible since the humans were basically Nazi's who purposely subjugated humans who didn't have superpowers into beings that they could kill without any consequences. And despite numerous time passing from when they did it, they made absolutely no effort to change themselves for the better, think "oh, maybe what we did to these guys is wrong", or do anything worthwhile. They were just content with being glorified slave owners. My way of thinking just came from humans have the capacity to be greater than they could be, but that way of thinking doesn't fly here since the "humans" might as well be oppressive aliens wearing human skin.
>>132650133
Get a load of this rattie.
>Humans sinned and destroyed the world
>better replace them with some fuck-ugly retarded barely-capable-of-speech rats that had a single genius among them
as I see it, the fags propagating this would gladly spread their sisters, wives and daughters wide open for the syrian refugees
I remember accidentally dropping this show on episode 12, I just sort of forgot about it. I vaguely remember some things and following threads with /a/ way back but now I'm wondering if I should go back and finish the anime or do the manga from the beginning and refresh my memory.
What do you guys think?
>>132689675
Majority of the world-building and details are established in the first half. If you cannot remember much I'd advice to rewatch. Manga is terrible adaption and outside fanservice and occasional neat art, and has much less to offer than anime or original novel. Stick with anime or read the book if you are interested enough.
terrible
>>132689675
If anything, you can skim the first 12 episodes to catch up on it. That's what I did, since I watched up to 14? or 16 and I lost touch with a lot that happened. Was good enough for me, since I remembered a lot.
>>132672821
You are a retard. She is not getting attacked by a psychic power here, she is having a heart attack.
>>132672898
You would be partially human in this show too because assuming you didn't die they would take you and forcibly genetically modify you into a rat also.
It's fine, because I guess you are like cattle more than anything else.
