This doesn't look that great. It uses camera tracking and blurs to disguise the low framerate.
ＷｈｅｒｅＩｄｉｄｄｒｏｐｍｙｂｕｄｇｅｔ？
>>122465703
There are better animated fights than that one in the cour.
>>122465703
Spot the autist.
>>122465703
>It uses camera tracking and blurs to disguise the low framerate
everytvanimeever.jpg
>>122465703
so?
it works
>>122465703
I wish every anime studio could use the same "not great camera tracking and blurs".
>>122465703
The first few fights were pretty cool looking, but then they started to look pretty boring and the initial hype is gone.
Not even bothering with the second cour honestly. The story is shit and the characters are meh (except for Ilya).
>>122467569
kbye
>>122467569
Don't worry Illya won't last long in the second cour.
>>122467695
I know. I read the VN.
I'm going to wait for HF.
>low framerate
So every single anime.
Yet it looks better than 99% of TV anime. So whatever they're doing, it's working.
>>122467720
Well have fun with that horribly butchered movie
Why are people so excited for an adaptation of a shitty eroge.
>>122467783
Because Fatefags are horrible people.
>>122467569
The fights have the same shit choreography and "Seiba is sugei kakui at fighting!" bystander narration as other anime.
>>122467842
You're just mad that your SnK is never going to be as popular as the Fate franchise.
>>122465703
>It uses camera tracking and blurs to disguise the low framerate.
HOLY SHIT OP YOU'RE A GENIUS.
ufotable and every other anime studio out there is now KILL.
>>122467569
She's a big girl.
>>122467842
The choreography is a bit better than most fights, and of course the budget is better, but they still felt really stale from pretty much Caster vs Archer onwards.
The fights in Zero were way better. Compare Lancer vs Saber in Zero with Assassin vs Saber in UBW. I guess Nasu didn't allow as much liberty in general when it came to the adaptation of his original work, Stay Night.
>>122467931
The only fight with interesting choreography is the Archer vs Assassin fight. That's it.
>>122467842
But I can just post webms that prove you wrong.
>>122468010
I liked the Archer vs Lancer fight, but you are right as I can't think of others with good choreography.
>>122468017
>low framerate
What?
This is how you tell a /v/ermin, thinking framerate matters.
Fuck off, crossboarder
>>122468017
What part of that is interesting or even good choreography?
>>122468017
Wa, all those neon flashing. Such godly animation.
>>122467999
>Compare Lancer vs Saber in Zero
A duel between knights, with Ufotable let off the chain.
>Assassin vs Saber in UBW
An underpowered guard dog just trying to stand in Saber's way, fans so anal retentive about the fight that even as it was some people insist Tsubame Gaeshi was "ruined".
>>122468017
>Lancer dancing around
Holy shit that was terrible.
>>122468017
wtf? She completely dodged one of his stabs. Instead of killing him right then and there, she merely slashed upward toward his spear.
Ufotable still hasn't beat the best fight in Prisma yet.
Step it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DHHjyfC9jrs
>>122468093
>>122468135
Yall obviously don't know how a sword vs spear fight would work.
>>122468188
>>122465703
Your post is worded poorly, but I agree that it doesn't look very good. The problem is, as you point out, all the post-processing effects. It's distracting to me, but it's not hiding any sort of poor animation. It is detracting from the good stuff that's there though, making a weird mix of styles that I find gross overall. Would've been 100 times better to actually draw smoke plumes and such instead of all the shitty cg stuff.
>>122468061
This too. Fuck this shit.
>>122468093
It looks amazing. That was actually a webm I made from the PV video off of Nico, there's a reason they chose that scene to hype the show. The intensity of that exchange, and the smoothness of the animation.
>>122468110
>4 second exchange with around 15 parries, every single one animated and can be tracked with the naked eye at normal speed despite happening in a few seconds.
That's top tier animation for a TV show.
>>122468219
Another one of those bullshit scenes. Saber killing Berserker. Nice one Ufotable.
>>122468219
I was talking about when Lancer was knocked backwards, he did some sort of weird dance for a couple seconds and jumped back in.
About 16 seconds into the webm.
>>122468286
>complain when it follows the VN too closely
>complain when it takes liberties that don't matter
>>122467880
It's already more popular though
>>122468301
He positioned himself before lunging back into the fight.
>>122468271
But the choreography is shit. All those useless movement. Lancer dancing, Saber spinning. For what reason?
>>122468343
Back to tumblr with you.
>>122468219
you should slow that down to 2fps or so that one can easily see individual frames
>>122468017
That fight was were I dropped it
>You'll now die to my undodgeable attack
>She goes and dodges it
Whats even the point when all it does is play it safe
>>122468388
The truth hurts.
>>122468301
He was off balance from leaning in with his spear, I don't see what's wrong with that. It looks cool, too. This is 2D, where looking cool is the most important part, everything else is less important if you're interested and enjoying it.
>>122468329
>Saber kill Berserker
>Illya suddenly got interested with Archer for no reason
Fight choreography in animation pales in comparison to live-action. I doesn't help that very few animators are good at pulling off a well-choreographed scene. Most of the time it's just some wild, flashy swings between the duelists.
just admit it that this anime is good-looking
>>122468415
>>>/v/
That's not how fucking anime works you mong
>>122468301
>what is killing your momentum
Were you expecting him to just fly backwards and then magically stop and bounce back forward?
>>122468425
Didn't I tell you to fuck off to tumblr where you belong, landwhale?
>>122468418
Are you a literal fucking retard?
Lancer has E class luck, so gay bulge isn't 100% hit each time. Not to mention that he's command spelled to not kill anyone. Fucking secondaries.
>>122468467
Look at this >>122468017
It is wild flashy swings.
>>122468418
"Play it safe" Are you fucking mentally disabled
>>122468479
what?
>>122468359
>>122468442
>>122468489
I don't think spinning and then zig zagging back to your original position looks all that great. Way too unnecessary and frankly, looks retarded.
Those few seconds were honestly borderline DEEN tier. Though, it was only a few seconds in a otherwise good-looking fight
>>122468383
It looks cool. It's visually impressive. That's what counts in anime, and also in TV and film. Choreography is always made to be showy rather than realistic, because most of the audience doesn't know the difference anyway and if it looks cool nobody will care if it's unrealistic. Except one or two autists, I guess.
Besides, they aren't human. They're magic ghost versions of legendary superhuman heroes, who are you to say how they should fight?
>>122468507
My point exactly. Most of the time, it's just a series of flashy attacks. Nothing wrong with that, but it's a fact that good choreography is hard to find in animation.
>>122468425
>>122468343
You clearly don't understand how popular fateshit is in Japan. Just stop posting.
>>122468560
>Those few seconds were honestly borderline DEEN tier.
Way too obvious m8. If you want to keep people on the hook you should at least not say things nobody will even pretend to believe.
>>122468418
Yeah, isn't it supposed to bend reality and reverse cause and effect to guarantee a hit? If it can be dodged then Nasu shouldn't have written it to be unavoidable.
Also, why is Saber so fucking boring? Why do people like her again?
>>122468560
This is DEEN tier. Honestly, DEEN tier have better choreography.
>>122468576
>it's just a series of flashy attacks
Moving at inhuman speed with inhuman precision. I wonder if you even registered that. This is one thing Ufotable did absolutely perfect: they captured the inhuman strength and speed of Servants, and made their clashes look properly intense. When you see this part right here, you realize no human being could beat either of them in a straight up fight.
>>122468576
You're a fucking idiot. There's more to good choreography than having generic clean slicing sword clashing fights with the camera occasionally jumping to a view from the sword instead of the side.
>>122468560
I must admit that the zig zagging was excessive, but the spinning was just him following up on the movement from the parry
>>122468692
>>122468694
Honesty anon, don't bother. Anyone saying DEEN is better is a terribly obvious shitposter and thus better ignored.
>>122468709
The spinning was okay but the zig zagging is just horrible. Spinning Saber is also horrible.
>>122468061
Holy shit, this moment is amazing.
>>122465703
Is /v/ raiding again?
>>122468673
Shinya Takahashi isn't a Deen animator, he's freelance. He is really talented though.
>>122468750
Spinning saber was great. Also canon.
>>122468607
>The only way to effectively defend against the attack is to have a high enough degree of luck or divine protection as to be able to alter fate, which would be heightened by also having good reflexive instincts
hurr
>>122468694
The cut with the leg grab is pretty good, the rest of it is just okay.
>>122468757
Don't blame /v/ for your epic IRC shitposting group.
>>122468694
Oh hey that webm I made. I loved a lot of the fight choreography in this show. That fight is just perfect. A desperate slug fest with kicking and wild hacking.
This one is the opposite. Kaisar doesn't even break a sweat, barely even has to move.
>>122468442
>>122465703
Ｔｈｅｙ ｋｎｏｗ． Ａｂａｎｄｏｎ ｓｈｉｐ．
>>122468803
>framerate
They're the only ones who care about such silly things.
>>122468832
Honestly, the fight choreography in Bahamut wasn't that great. The fight planning was competent, but the drawings and motions themselves feel oddly timed and often too exaggerated or too subdued. Camerawork was nothing to write home about, either.
>>122468880
Not really, ever been to /co/? Framerate is important for animation, having less than 1 drawing per 3 frames gets really jittery.
>>122468442
3fast5u
>>122468729
You're right. I was hoping I could steer the discussion realism vs flashiness but my hopes were misplaced.
>>122468692
I can hear the sound
>>122468887
So now choreography means fight animation rather than fight planning. Do you have any consistency?
>>122468759
But he didn't do that episode.
>>122468959
When I watch these webms without the sound, I just hear the VN's SFX and music.
>>122468924
Which is funny because murrican cartoons are animated on threes more often than chinese cartoons, which is usually animated on twos except for shit studios.
>>122468961
If you're just talking about fight planning I can agree Bahamut was decent, but the way the motions themselves were presented in animation was not very good in my eyes.
>>122468961
He does actually. He was trying to say that anything with better animation have better choreography.
Ｕｆｏｔａｂｌｅ ｅｍｐｌｏｙｅｅ ｈｅｒｅ． ２ｎｄ ｓｅａｓｏｎ ｄｅｌａｙ ｕｎｔｉｌ ｗｉｎｔｅｒ． Ｓｏｒｒｙ．
>>122468924
Nobody really cares about framerates as long as the show looks good though.
>This doesn't look that great. It uses camera tracking and blurs to disguise the low framerate.
Did I stumble into /v/!?
Naruto action scenes have more elaborate choreography than anything Fate related.
>>122469043
Back here >>122468093 choreography meant fight planning, not the animation. But now it's about the animation, because that's the part you can criticize. You're nothing but a contrarion snob.
>>122469091
gr8b8
>>122468577
You're clearly underestimating SnK's popularity. Fate is otaku shit, SnK is mainstream/otaku/fujoshi shit.
>>122468924
Why though? Western cartoons rarely put high frame rates to good use.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BZoWHzhs6A
Better than anything Ufotable has better produced.
>>122469113
>There's only 2 people on /a/, me and the guy I'm arguing with
I just weighed in with my observations, stop getting butthurt.
>>122468219
>>122468415
>>122469161
Now trying to back out that you've been caught shifting goalposts.
>>122469131
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BZoWHzhs6A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxbweQ1kESI
>>122469091
>>122469155
Go and stay go.
>>122469155
>>122469222
>narutards seriously defend this
Is today the autism day?
How to instanty spot newfags:
-ubwshit defense force
-Pretend ufoshit shows have good animation
>>122469223
>>122469235
>they seriously think that better animation means better choreography
>>122469223
>>122469235
You're so ignorant about anime that you were not even aware of all those god tier fights in Naruto.
http://sakuga.yshi.org/post?tags=naruto
I bet you think Pain's fight has bad animation
>>122469319
>how to spot obvious b8
>>122469235
>saying something is better than Ufo's mediocrely choreographed, boring-to-watch fights with no passion is defending it
What I'm saying is that common denominator is better than Ufotable's sterile shit.
>>122468833
How beautiful.
>>122469319
And now you'll go on about how Madhouse or Bones is the best studio in terms of animation, right?
>>122469319
OK, here is your reply
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.29_[2014.12.13_17.12.05].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/o4g3qln.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.29_[2014.12.13_17.12.05].jpg")
Wow, what high quality!
>>122469334
>narutard blindly defending his shitty series
>MUH PASSIONATE FIGHTS
>MUH EPIC FEELINGS
And the goalpost moving is insane. First people complain about the Saber vs Lancer fight because "there's too much unnecessary movement" and "it's just a bunch of flashy attacks" when that naruto fight is nothing but pointless attacks that don't do anything, it's overly drawn out flailing about with shitty animation. There's not even a point to it really, it's just another way they pad the episodes.
Meanwhile you can actually break down the parts of the fights in F/SN and explain what each combatant is doing or trying to do and their reasons for it.
just admit it that this looks cool
>>122469449
>Cherry picked slightly off model frame
>Looks better than even the high detail stationary DEEN shots.
Damn, Deen is bad as shit.
>>122469449
>a random inbetween is proof of anything
Come on bait-kun, you can do better than this
>watching shit stay shit
lmao enjoy youre forced artificial animation for newfags
I'll be enjoying superior Naruto for superior people like me.
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.50_[2014.12.13_17.22.27].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ldTRRFx.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.50_[2014.12.13_17.22.27].jpg")
Legendary sakuga
>>122469449
>tries to find between frames
>the one he picks doesn't even look bad, just slightly off model because it's a between frame in an action sequence
>>122465703
>copy and pasting that guy's post from /tv/
>>122465703
>framerate
Or how to detect anyone who doesn't know shit about animation.
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.48_[2014.12.13_17.04.47].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/S83OQ5E.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.48_[2014.12.13_17.04.47].jpg")
I bet CLAMP would be jealous
>>122469449
Kill yourself, retard.
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_23.00_[2014.12.28_17.50.58].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M5iANyf.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 12 [720p].mkv_snapshot_23.00_[2014.12.28_17.50.58].jpg")
>>122469449
This is high quality
>>122469496
>doesn't know what stretch and squash is
That stretch is why the animation looks so smooth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4pHtzc_4Rc
>>122469496
>>122469449
>cherrypicking in-between frame
>>122469496
>>122469449
>>122469552
>>122469548
>tries to cherry pick
>all the frames look fine
>>122469577
The thing is, a lot of those frames look exactly like they are supposed to, the Kuzuki ones for example have nothing wrong with them at all, the guy is just ignorant of both animation and the source material.
>>122469449
>>122469496
>>122469548
>>122469552
still looks fine
>>122469605
> the guy is just ignorant of both animation and the source material.
Or hes just trolling for replies and you all keep giving it to him. Just stop.
>>122469548
Looks fine.
>>122469463
>Naruto fights
>unnecessary movement
Where? Fate fights is the one with unnecessary movements.
Will the Shirou vs Archer fight be better than how DEEN handled it?
Is this a QUALITY thread?
>>122469605
I know, I just find it hilarious that he's so autistic that he went out of his way to cherrypick inbetweens with stretch or montion blur just to try to bait
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.48_[2014.12.13_17.05.46].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xZnC39g.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_14.48_[2014.12.13_17.05.46].jpg")
>>122469653
Did someone deflate his limbs?
>>122469653
>normal human beating a servant
Dropped.
>>122469653
>you can still see the bad part even with motion
Wow, that look really bad. You still defend this?
>>122469666
Except they don't have that much unnecessary movement actually. The little Ufotable flourishes before a character charges in are about all that exists. But all the actual fighting serves a purpose.
Meanwhile, in Naruto, they just recycle the same jaggedly animated fighting over and over against to no real effect.
>>122469725
gr8b8
>>122469731
There is no bad part though. Do you not understand how Kuzuki's body works?
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.51_[2014.12.13_17.35.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/M4f7RcI.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.51_[2014.12.13_17.35.54].jpg")
I would love to see this scene without the neon lights hiding the actual animation. It's like 4 straight seconds of on-screen deen with a little digital shoepolish plastered over top.
:^)
>>122469449
ufo clearly btfo
DEEN re-remake when?
>>122469745
>don't have that much unnecessary movement
Actually they do. The only real fight with great choreography is the Archer s Assassin fight. Other than that nothing actually. And with Naruto please post some example. What do you mean by same jaggedly animated fighting over and over.
>>122469783
My autism really sparked when Shirou hit the ground with his swords and the ground exploded.
>>122469783
>bitching about inbetweens
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.40_[2014.12.13_17.16.22].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/c5NorB3.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_15.40_[2014.12.13_17.16.22].jpg")
>>122469777
He's like a boneless chickenbreast with rubber bands for tendons.
>>122469783
Those are inbetweens anon. You can't possibly notice that when they are in motion.
>>122469839
He's obviously a Buu like creature that can change the shape of his body at will.
>Fatefags will defend this schlock that they will disregard the quality and butchered anatomy
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.50_[2014.12.13_17.24.26].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/cNmK8ro.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 10 [720p].mkv_snapshot_16.50_[2014.12.13_17.24.26].jpg")
>>122469834
There's no moment in that sequence that doesn't look like an inbetween.
It's a long single shot with a fixed camera, and every single frame of it looks like ass. It's harder to see when it's animated, but only because constant flashing lights over opaque flat colour masks so much of it.
Check the shot for yourself. I challenge you to find a keyframe that doesn't look like shit.
>>122469901
gr8b8
>>122469910
You are actually autistic aren't you?
>>122469910
He obviously can't. Stop bothering him already. He might cry.
>>122469783
All the lighting effects are the thing that makes it look bad to me. The actual animation, the stuff people are actually animating, looks fine, great even at times. But all the stupid shit the tossed on top of that is really killing it for me. I almost feel like they just got told they needed to pay a CG animator so they keep giving him shit to do even though it's completely unnecessary. Most of the post-processing effects in this have detracted from, rather than augmented, the the quality I'd say. Sure, that's like just my opinion man, but god damn does it irk me to see shit like this. It's like someone baking a perfect cake, crafting some beautiful frosting art, and then pouring syrup on top, because syrup is sweet so it goes on cakes right? All the blurs, all the lighting effects, the dust plumes, the occasional blurry fsat moving backgrounds, etc. That shit sucks. Fuck whoever decided to do that shit.
normalfags will eat up any battle shounen that is shiny these days
>>122469909
>samefag baiter will pick random inbetweens without understanding who animation works
>>122469811
Confirmed not knowing the source material. Let me go through Saber vs Lancer so you can get it: in the opening skirmish, she strikes at lancer to get a feel for his power, and decides to rush him when she figures he's not that tough. But Lancer maintains distance while testing the length of her weapon with his spear. Saber fights using high level instinct, meaning she often attacks faster than she thinks, operating on pure intuition for where to hit, but Lancer is so fast and so skillful that even when her weapon is invisible he is able to deflect every single strike and with that exchange alone is able to figure out the reach of her sword. Satisfied with that, he decides to go on the offensive and lunges at her, but she evades and counters unexpectedly fast and with far more power than he expected, throwing him off balance. For Saber's part, she realized after the initial exchange that Lancer was too fast to simply overwhelm and she would have to wait for an opening to make her decisive strike, but Lancer proves to be a lot more durable than she expected, withstanding her flourishing strike after her counter.
This fight was Saber trying to defeat her opponent as quickly as possible, discovering he wouldn't go down that easily so she had to work out a strategy, and Lancer getting a little too excited in his duel that was supposed to be a recon mission, which is why he busted out Gae Bolg after seeing how strong Saber was.
>>122470044
Digital effects and post-processing are kind of Ufo's gimmicks as a studio. Their whole style of blending actual 2d animation with computer generated effects is what makes them unique,
Yes, it doesn't always look good, but they'll overuse the fuck out of it anyways because it's their niche in the market.
>>122470052
>he doesn't know that not all the scenes need to be inbetweens
>>122469839
But that's exactly how his body moves. He's got a "snake-like" fighting style where his body moves unnaturally and seems to slither and stretch as he fights. It's so weird and unintuitive that he even manages to surprise Saber, though it only works once.
>blaming deen for shit animation, directing and removing the inner monologues
>but its ok when ufotable does it
![[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 09 [720p].mkv_snapshot_17.36_[2014.12.06_18.41.43].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/MaDx0iO.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Fate Stay Night - Unlimited Blade Works - 09 [720p].mkv_snapshot_17.36_[2014.12.06_18.41.43].jpg")
>if it looks bad, it must be an in-between
>if it looks good it's a keyframe and a flawless work of art
>if it looks stupid, it's okay because it's just being faithful to the VN
>ufotable is beyond criticism because they have lots of flashing lights.
>>122470138
Yet, all of what has been posted about the Kuziki's fight are inbetweens of a 2-second sequence
>>122470215
You can't find a single bad frame though, they all look fine.
>>122470138
>not all the scenes need to be inbetweens
That doesn't even make fucking sense. Do you even know what in inbetween is?
Seriosuly, are you even trying?
>>122470244
Of course >>122470219
looks perfectly fine.
Is this the part where you call it an in-between again just because it looks bad?
>>122470219
DEEEEEENNNNNN
WHO GIVES A FUCK.
Let's talk about how cute Rin is.
>>122470215
>>122470144
>Sheeet my baiting has been proved wrong several times, better try to derail the discussion with le greentext strawman!
>>122470272
Yes, because you don't even notice it when you're watching the actual show.
>>122470107
How does that correlate with the choreography? Saber doesn't need to spin and Lancer doesn't need to dance.
>>122470297
>Let's talk about how cute Ilya is
FTFY
>>122470272
>characters still on model
>just drawn hastily
>because it's a frame that happens in less than a second in a sequence that lasts barely 3 seconds
Yes, that's the definition of an inbetween, and it doesn't even look that bad for one.
>>122470350
>1 spin
>1 staggering to find footing
Wow so much wasted movement! And in a fight scene that lasts maybe 6 minutes total, where every single attack and counter attack is planned and makes sense with regards to the characters' motivations. The spins and the fancy footwork are Ufotable flourishes that add more kinetic energy to the scene. They are animated nicely and don't really drag the scene out at all, so it's hardly "wasted" movement.
>>122470297
Maximum cute
>>122470530
I don't dislike the spin but Lancer staggering around was stupid as fuck.Also contrary to the description in the VN
>>122470219
>>122470272
>still cherripicking single frames from 1-second cuts
>>122470530
Oh, don't misunderstand me. That's just in this scene >>122468017 which isn't even 30 seconds.
>>122470593
Like I said, it's an Ufotable flourish. They like having characters gear up for big charges. If I recall, they had Saber do something similar later during the fight at the school.
>>122470642
And I can break down every singlecanonfight and explain every single movement, sans whatever flourishes Ufotable put on top to make it more visually interesting. Which is only a couple per fight, if that.
It's really simple to do because the VN actually narrates all the fights and explains it for you, my explanation earlier was just a paraphrased version of several paragraphs from the VN.
>>122470350
A spear thrust, especially in the hollywood style lancer is using, is telegraphed primarily by your stance and footing. He was trying to find an 'in' against saber's defense after brute force thrustspam failed by attempting to mask his attack under elaborate footwork. He was wasting movements, but that waste was a deliberate attempt to mislead his opponent, adding in unnecessary movements to disguise the necessary ones.
The spin hardly needs to be explained. She had her opponent on the defensive, and with his superhuman agility he jumped backwards a large distance. Rather than giving chase by running after him, she used her own superhuman agility to leap after him, and gave some spin to her leap so that she could shift the forward momentum of her gap-closing movement into the downward force of a top-down slash, with the intent of pressing her advantage not by bypassing her opponents guard, but by applying so much force to it when his stance was broken as he was off-balance, that it would create an opening for a decisive strike.
I mean, it's all hollywood and anime physics, but at least there's some sense to it.
>>122470215
>if it looks bad, it must be an in-between
Not really, but a lot of examples posted are and other are mostly hardly noticeable like here >>122470464, not to say there aren't exceptions though, mostly coming from the last battle.
>if it looks good it's a keyframe and a flawless work of art
No one said it's flawless.
>if it looks stupid, it's okay because it's just being faithful to the VN
I agree some things look dumb (lancer zig-zag run and other things) but there's no right choice here, you either will shit on Ufo for not being faithful or looking stupid.
>ufotable is beyond criticism because they have lots of flashing lights.
I think they do use too much flash in their fights and the show is not closed for criticism (mostly the noses on some characters designs), but trying to compare to DEEN is just silly.
>>122470772
As good an explanation as any. I'd like to think Ufotable put some thought into it, but a part of me just suspects they did it to look cool for the most part. And they succeeded.
But one thing, the flurry of spear on sword earlier was actually Lancer being defensive, trying to figure out Saber's reach since her sword was invisible. Saber was the one who initiated that exchange to try and overwhelm Lancer, and his lightning quick and precise parrying impressed her a lot.
>>122470551
I'm really happy about all the rinxshirou art we have now, it was basically non-existent before
>>122470772
I can accept the fucking unnecessary zig zagging explanation eventhough it's stupid but the spinning one still make no sense. It actually makes you more vulnerable to any counter attack and makes your moves more telegraphed.
>>122470862
Yeah the adaption produced some realy nice ones
>>122470831
And that was Lancer still being handicapped by Kotomine being an asshole
>>122470730
You can explain all you want but the choreography still looks stupid. Even good fight narration can't save an awfully bad choreographed fight.
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>>122470916
Spinning is cool though.
>>122470916
She jumps with her right foot and spins in the air to turn the jump into a slash, it's retarded as fuck buy Hollywod-style fighting seems to love dem spins
>>122471054
It doesn't look stupid at all though, it looks amazing. The fast, fluid animation makes the exchanges look exactly as intense as they are supposed to be, gives every attack a proper amount of impact. You have strikes that destroy terrain, movements that create vacuums in the air, and twisting, eye-wrenching movements. If nothing else, Ufotable succeeded wonderfully at capturing the way Servants fight.
>>122470916
If you remember in that scene, the spin was following up the exchange where lander attacked and was parried hard. His stance was broken and he was thrown off-balance by Saber unexpectedly swatting his weapon into the air. To avoid getting killed, he leaped backwards out of desperation. It would probably be more accurate to say that he threw himself backwards.
Saber gave chase by leaping after him with her little spin and landed her blow less than a fraction of a moment after Lancer landed.
She didn't give Lancer an opportunity to regain his balance or properly resume a defensive stance, he simply threw his weapon between her and him and tried his best to not die.
There was no reason for Saber to fear a counterattack while she was chasing because Lancer was not in a position where a counterattack would be possible. She didn't need to worry about masking her attack or making it less obvious because her goal wasn't to circumvent Lancer's guard. Lancer ws nt in a position to attack or to escape, so his only option was to guard the incoming attack with less-than-ideal footing. Knowing this, Saber just threw all of her weight and strength into her attack, exploiting the fact that Lancer's footing would not all him to absorb the force properly and would throw him off balance, hopefully breaking through his guard entirely.
The point behind the spin was to take the huge amount of force behind that leap, and use it to increase the force of her attack. It looks silly, but in a universe where people hardly 5ft tall can leap forward at the speed of sound, rotating is actually the best way to shift the force behind that leap into a sword swing.
>>122471238
She could do that or she could just leap forward and attack him normally and not spin thus showing him the exact place that you are going to hit him.
But I guess spinning is cooler for some people.
>>122471331
>she could just leap forward and attack him normally
She's not a normal person though. A normal person couldn't fight the way she fights. What, are you going to come down on her for being able to move so unnaturally fast and destroy the ground just by swinging her sword upward really fast?
>>122471365
It doesn't matter if you're a normal person or not. Spinning do show where your attack is going to land and thus making Lancer know where exactly to put all of his energy guarding.
>>122471331
If you want to to be strictly realistic jump slashes are retarded and needlessly telegraphed and exposing too, and 9 out of 10 times the look lazy and crappy, ufotable decided to ad their own spin (heh) to the good old jump slash and combined it with a spin attack for maximum cool.
>>122471469
>put all of his energy guarding.
That's exactly what she wanted him to do, though.
>>122471469
>thus making Lancer know where exactly to put all of his energy guarding.
Well no shit, she was trying to overwhelm him to keep him on the defensive.
>>122471469
Again: she's not a normal person. Her strength is far, far above a normal person. With her level of strength, and with what Lancer had demonstrated thus far, she thought she might be able to break through his guard with brute force, but he was tougher than expected. Against a lesser servant, she might have cleaved him in two.
In case you hadn't noticed, the theme of that fight was them underestimating each other and testing the waters. Saber was trying to defeat him or else drive him off, to protect Shirou, but she couldn't risk committing all her strength to a fight when there were other enemies to face later. The energy Servants use to fight is the same energy that sustains them, and wasting it on a single opponent that early in the war is foolish. This turns out to be doubly true in Saber's case since Shirou can't replenish her mana normally, since he is an improper magus.
At any rate, Lancer was just stronger than she was expecting, and she is reluctant to commit more of her power than necessary to any fight.
>>122467766
>it's not out yet but it's horribly butchered!
>>122468017
DEEN did it better.
>>122471738
>In case you hadn't noticed, the theme of that fight was them underestimating each other
What?
Exactly how did Lancer underestimate Saibah?
>>122471585
And thus this discussion has ended. The conclusion is that Saber wanted Lancer to block her attack that she as you said put most of her energy into. Making a logical move and hit him without him blocking is too much for Saber. Well, can't say anything much anymore. The scene was just a mix of bad decision by Nasu just to prolong the story.
>>122469009
>>122471745
>Longest route
>movies
Not that hard to predict
>>122471829
Bad decision by Nasu to prolong the story was letting Saber dodge Gae Bolg.
The world would be a better place if FSN ended right then and there.
>>122471934
>The world would be a better place if FSN ended right then and there.
I'm glad we've found something we can all agree on.
I DON'T LIKE GOOD THINGS
I'm /ic/ level animator pro anatomy expert
>>122469057
Nice bait.
>>122471804
>DEEN did it better.
BEHOLD THE LANCERCOPTER
>>122472069
>LANCERCOPTER
always makes me laugh.
In order for Rin and shirou to be together Illya must die, why is life so unfair?
>>122472649
Ilya had to die in one route for all the evil shit she does.
>>122472649
Goodbye Rin.
>>122472963
Ilya dies every route other than Fate
>>122471069
>that pic
My nigger.
