ITT good tsundere
starting with an easy one
I-Its not like I'm trying to crash onto you or anything.
>>122380215
No let me start
I-Its not like want to eat you or anything, its just that as a medical doctor I must.
Tsunderes are only ever acceptable if their behavior is justified, like pic related
>>122380215
I win.
Tsundere are generally best when they get the D.
>>122380395
He wasn't being tsundere its just that he only liked brown children.
>>122380215
fuck that picture gave me a boner
>>122380215
A tsundere with good chemistry with the MC is best.
>>122380377
This.
inb4 THK comes in and starts samefagging.
>>122380215
>good tsundere
Nice oxymoron
>>122380377
low quality bait
>>122380496
>THK
He's already here >>122380436 >>122380518
There needs to be more doujins with masochistic tsunderes.
best
Ten Tsundere Commandments
1. The Tsundere must be a formidable rival to the MC, be it in day to day activities, or super-powered fighting
2. The Tsundere must be Tsundere for a reason, such a family trauma, or being highly disciplined, and cannot be Tsundere for the sake of being Tsundere
3. The Tsundere's cruelty and anger towards the MC must naturally degrade over time like anyone's growing relationship with someone should.
Any suggestions?
>>122380215
Greatest tsundere every made.
>tsundere
Time for obscurity
>>122380215
Two tsunderes. Both best for their respective gender in their series.
>>122380567
4. One is ysun due to their pride. They will learn humility as they learn love
>>122380567
>3. The Tsundere's cruelty and anger towards the MC must naturally degrade over time like anyone's growing relationship with someone should.
Nah.
I like them when they pretend to resist.
>>122380578
>GA
>Obscure
We truly live in a shitty time, don't we?
>>122380215
>Good tsundere
Nice oxymoron, moron.
>>122380215
>tsundere
>good
I bet you also like it when your penis is called small and you get stepped on on a daily basis
I fucking hate Misaka Mikoto and hope she dies.
>>122380567
Number 1 is stupid, tsundere has nothing inherently to do with rivalry.
Geez, OP, why don't you bring back your favorite tsundere Tuesday or Sunday threads instead of making a bait topic?
>>122380616
Mikoto is a shit tsundere. Accel at least can be 100% honest in front of his target of affection.
>>122380441
i literally dropped that shit based on this character alone. human filth
Obligatory.
>>122380744
is not
>>122380215
One of the best, if not the greatest.
>>122380815
Hatokofag pls.
>>122380722
Envy and Pride don't sound like things a Tsundere has?
>>122380616
She ain't a tsundere. She's a creepy stalker.
>>122380668
I'd think obscure is the wrong word, more like ancient by 2015 standards
>>122380867
>A topic that attracts trolls and shitposters, especially you-know-who
It is. Either way, you obviously don't know how to make a tsundere thread for nowadays.
>>122380276
Hah. Nice one.
But really, Senjougahara is a good tsundere.
>>122380890
who ended up winning?
or was it just another haremshit ending?
>>122380980
Incorrect. She was a tsundere. She had a bit of stalk streak, but now she's on the fembro path.
>>122380925
That sounds better but rivalry is just wrong, it might apply in some cases but it's definitely not some sort of commandment. Also envy is not always correct and pride is such a general thing it doesn't say much.
![[ANE] Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai - Ep01 [BDRip 1080p x264 FLAC].mkv_snapshot_11.55_[2012.10.20_21.34.52].png](https://i.imgur.com/PGhTYpb.png "[ANE] Ore no Imouto ga Konna ni Kawaii Wake ga Nai - Ep01 [BDRip 1080p x264 FLAC].mkv_snapshot_11.55_[2012.10.20_21.34.52].png")
>>122380567
>mfw the most hated tsunderes on /a/ fit these rules
>>122380668
It hurts
>>122381022
Why do people deny 4 seasons of fun
Because /a/ is bad at being tsundere, I can't tell if some people are being tsundere for tsundere or are being faggots on purpose.
>>122380215
>>122380722
>>122381124
Dude. Vegeta is tsundere as hell and his tsundere was based around rivalry, pride, and hatred (at first).
>>122380366
Dubs confirm your faggotry.
>>122381191
she's also one of the most loved
>>122380567
Nope.
1. The "tsundere" should be a reasonable human who isn't abusive with people in general, but the protagonist is a madman who would've made any normal person make disapproving retorts (perhaps except a fellow madman, like yours truly).
2. The disapproving retorts must not be exaggerated and dramatized; they should sound like reasonable disapproving retorts, possibly with some reasonable irritation.
In other words, she should not be a fucking bitchy brat.
Based on these criteria, Makise is one of the very few good tsunderes.
I figure out many of them aren't created to be reasonable; they're created to be fetishistic. People either get off to being abused, love angered female faces, love seeing females confused and saying nonsense, or something like that.
>>122381191
Only cause her series is widely popular and attracts attention more than any other tsundere. She still has more fans than not.
>>122381390
>Living by wrong thoughts and belief about tsundere
I feel sorry for you.
>>122381339
That's an example, that doesn't make it a requirement. Dude.
>>122381390
I think it's more of a trend/evolution gone wrong that these "abusive" tsundere flourish.
First, we have the "violent towards bad behavior but otherwise rational" lead girls. They were a a nice foil towards the "chivalrous but pervert/dumb/dick" MC. This was more popular in the old anime days.
Then, we have the "earn my affection/respect" girls usually found in VNs. These are the girls that need to thaw their hearts out from their original state (ice queen, aloof-ness, etc AKA the tsun) and the MC is usually the nice, gentle one.
Nowadays, they mixed the violent lead girls with the nice MC which is an awful combination that only Golden Boy manages to do justice.Shamelessly pasting this
>>122381339
>i-its not like i like you or anything, goku-chan~
>>122381419
Was only referring to /a/.
>>122381390
Stupid as well, the MC doesn't have to be mad for the tsundere to be good and retorts can be somewhat exaggerated and unreasonable because that's just how females, especially if they are confused and possibly in love, work.
Mai waifu is best.
>>122381390
>In other words, she should not be a fucking bitchy brat.
For some reason, people like you only think in extremes, that anything beyond saying "it's not like i like you or anything" makes the girl a bitch. To be tsundere is to have tsun.
This is why Kurisu is well liked as a tsundere, because blushing and calling MC a B-BAKA is the most tsun a character is allowed to have before people start crying about her being a bad tsundere because she's a bitch. People love Kurisu because she's one of the most mild, passive, and unsubstantial tsunderes ever created. She's 99.9% dere and 0.1% tsun, so people love what is virtually a tsundere with no tsun.
>>122381888
That's a gross exaggeration for Kurisu. She has a lot more tsun than that. In addition, she has her childish side which is something that's necessary in order to contrast her mature side. That contrast is important to aid in the creation of moe.
Honestly, Kurisu shouldn't been seen as a pure tsundere. She has too much kuu in her to be a purely tsundere. She's a mix, so she's a tsunkuudere, much like Yukino and Mir from AT.
>>122382483
It's been some time since I watched the anime but I don't remember any tsun scenes that go beyond saying something while blushing and maybe pushing him away softly. Her tsun was limited to her not immediately showing her feelings, other than that she's more of a deredere than a tsundere or a kuudere.
>>122382682
I think Kurisu wasn't an archetype, nor a mixture of them. She was a realistic person. The subtlety and complexity of her behaviors is difficult to appreciate if archetypes are what you're looking for.
>>122382682
Aside from pushing Okabe away and acting tsuntsun (which she dies but is so obvious), she initially treated Okabe with mild hostility and saw like him an idiot, among other things. She doesn't have ton of tsun, but definitely more than what you were getting at.
>>122382785
Of course she is. She's popular heroine in Japan for few reasons, being highly talked about as a tsundere was among those reasons.
Best tsundere.
>>122380651
Chitoge is one of the best tsundere, hands down. Way better than bitches like Kirino and Kurisu.
>>122382785
>>122382975
I can more or less agree with that, though I think that tsundere is also about hiding feelings and Kurisu didn't fall in love with him at first sight. I was just agreeing with >>122381888 that she isn't much of a tsundere, like not even close to most other characters people consider tsundere.
>>122380377
Agreeable list is agreeable.
>>122383430
Out of every tsundere posted itt, you somehow managed to post the only one that isn't good.
>>122380215
>>122383625
Well what is your definition of Tsundere ?
>>122383681
Kirino and Misaka were posted, so no.
>good tsundere
>>122383997
Those are good tsundere compared to your girl, Houkifag.
>>122380215
Best Tsundere coming through
>>122384075
Shinobu is a good tsundere. One of the best, even.
YOU WILL LOVE ME
>>122383929
I don't have one and I don't actually care for archetypes that much, it's just that I feel like Kurisu is a bit too little tsun to be called a "proper" tsundere, she definitely has some aspects of one but not enough to be characterized by it. That probably sounds retarded but I can't explain it better.
>>122380651
>Kurisu
>Kirino
>Chitoge
All three are good and I love all three, but I do think Chitoge is better as a tsundere than the other two. It helps that Raku is also tsundere to Chitoge, so Chitoge is allowed a more interesting dynamic.
>>122381191
Cause she's best.
>>122384389
>>122383434
>>122380651
I came here to support these posts.
>>122380215
Who is this semen demon?
>>122383434
>tfw catching up on Nisekoi so I can watch S2 with /a/
Isn't there a gdoc with recommended manga chapters or something?
>>122384148
>Shinobu
>Tsundere
>>122384390
i can't believe kirino married the gangnam style
>>122385129
Kek'd
![[HorribleSubs] Tsukimonogatari - (01-04) [720p].mkv_snapshot_00.25.10_[2014.12.31_13.05.21].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vCTGB57.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Tsukimonogatari - (01-04) [720p].mkv_snapshot_00.25.10_[2014.12.31_13.05.21].jpg")
>>122385033
Do you even watch or read? Shinobu is all sorts of deres, and tsundere (the master/servant type) happens to be one of those deres.
>>122385288
She's all tsun and no dere.
![[HorribleSubs] Tsukimonogatari - (01-04) [720p].mkv_snapshot_00.31.17_[2014.12.31_13.23.35].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/STQ8xaB.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Tsukimonogatari - (01-04) [720p].mkv_snapshot_00.31.17_[2014.12.31_13.23.35].jpg")
>>122385502
Lies. Her words may not be forthcoming about her feelings, but her feelings are obvious to see through, especially through her very actions that are affectionate or shows signs of jealously (despite her insistence of her current relationship).
>>122380567
>>122381390
The main issues with tsunderes is how many of them are egregious Mary Sues who never get held accountable for anything. Even a violent tsundere can be good, as long as the series makes sure to follow these:
1. She has to be able to honestly admit her wrongdoings and feel genuine remorse, without getting off easy with "yeah... sorry. hmph" bullshit.
2. Others need to be able to call her out on her behavior without being restrained by others or vilified by the plot later on. The second a tsundere starts crying at getting told off and the other part is made out to be at fault by other characters conveniently popping out of the woodworks, you know the series is shit.
3. Similarly, the tsundere shouldn't have half the cast rooting for her and forcing her together with the guy every other second. A romance where the side characters all repeat "LOVERS QUARREL" as if it's a mantra when the tsundere and the guy have a serious falling out, and anyone not encouraging the pairing is made out to be a jealous yandere who deserves to suffer alone is forced as shit and plain disgusting to watch.
>>122386470
All these restrictions are silly. Regardless of archetype, a good character develops. That's it. That simple.
>>122386683
Too bad so few tsunderes do, despite being so prevalent and winning so often. Maybe people would have more tolerance for them if there were more series where one sees other archetypes like shy girls, motherly girls and childhood friends win, but ever since Love Hina, it's been about 90% tsundere ends, with the odd harem end, kuudere end or yandere end here or there.
It's saying something when even Nurutu has a more satisfying romantic conclusion than just about the entire harem genre.
>>122386470
What >>122386683 said. Your rules are ridiculous when you force restrictions and believe there has to be punishment of some kind. It feels like you are projecting and seek payback because you personally felt wrong and think there some be compensation.
Tsundere, like any archetype, exist primarily to cater to an arrangement of fetishes people actively seek to fulfill their desires. Good or bad is decided by whether or not the tsundere fulfills a person's desires or not. Some may want to be dominated by a tsundere or may want a tsundere to be very tsun so they can dominate her instead to feel fulfilled. There are those who are in it for the moe produced only by a tsundere. For others, it can be the development a tsundere goes through that makes them feel satisfied, as if they received a priceless treasure after a long and challenging journey for a quest.
>>122383681
True. Houki isn't just good, she is best.
>>122387491
If you want people not to find a character absolutely insufferable, don't have them acting haughty and abrasive without ever getting any comeuppance. That's writing 101.
>>122386683
>>122387491
>trying this hard to deflect the point made about them being treated like they can do no wrong in most series
Compare characters like Asuka and Akiha who are acknowledged as being aggressive bitches and go through as much suffering as they put others through, and characters like Chitoge or Haruhi who are treated like the universe revolves around them. Do you see which side tends to get the most praise, even by people who aren't generally into tsundere?
>>122385836
Not him, but you're retarded.
>>122380377
>>122387673
>comeuppance
>In anime and manga
You sound very new. People normally would never want that unless a girl is a villain who did something bad to the point of irreversible harm without being cute. Save your desire for "comeuppance" for 3D drama.
>>122387945
I don't know what you're trying to get at, but I'm pretty sure I didn't deflect anything in what I said.
Akiha is barely aggressive enough to be compared to Asuka. Her series, believe it or not, isn't popular enough among the masses to have haters gathering under her. Chitoge is mild and more warming in reception than Haruhi and Asuka. Haruhi herself is more amiable than Asuka and Kyon did at one point put her in her place anyways. In any case, Asuka receives more hate than the tsunderes you just mentioned, so what are you saying. With that in mind, to haters, even if a tsundere have reasons that are justifiable or is very cute, so long as they are a "bitch" to them, that tsundere will usually get hate no matter what.
Tsundere a shit. A SHIT.
>>122380377
>asuka
>good
>>122388643
fucking love this flatty
>>122388719
>Not new IP
THK pls. Adults are speaking.
>>122388643
>You sound very new
Not him, but that sometimes happens in anime and manga, even if for comedy purposes.
>>122387945
What you're calling shitty tsunderes are just shitty characters. Tsundere has nothing to do with it.
>>122389056
>sometimes
More exception to the general rule than sometimes. But when it happens, it's either made to set up drama for the tsundere to develop or eventually overcome, or it is for comedy.
If you're suggesting your pic is related, then I fail to see it. That's not what the other anon was getting at when he had "comeuppance" in mind.
>>122385212
That better be pink underwear anon.
>>122384851
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GMAWL2DIRiW26GyNau9MyYzq4BQuuljABdwuMQVZTKc/edit#gid=0
>>122389056
I once saw two Raildexfags argue for 6 straight hours.
>>122389607
Mikotofags are autistic.
>>122390086
Haters who argue for as long, if not more aren't any better.
>>122389457
>then I fail to see it
Read the scene. It is basically 10032 telling Mikoto to stop being such a shitty tsundere in her face, while showing off the present Touma gave to her.
the blue hair girl from daimou
she was tsundere but kawaii as fuck
>>122390316
I know the scene in question well and Miksaka's imouto didn't say anything you implied, especially about being 'shitty". All she did was teased Mikoto about her not being honest with her feelings, and she also was sincerely competing with Mikoto hence why made a move on Touma and further teased Mikoto with the accessory Touma got for her. The scene also had a humorous tone, it is unmistakeably comedy so I don' get why you take that so seriously and negatively.
>>122380215
Fumino needs a /c/ thread
anyone?
>>122388643
>t-tsunderes did nuffing wrong... newfag!
Conveniently ignoring how they're by far the most loathed anime girl archetype, huh? Contrary to what you'd like to believe, tsunderefags are a vocal minority spoiled rotten by all the pandering they get.
>Akiha is barely aggressive enough to be compared to Asuka
>what is the Kohaku route
>what is her smashing a table in KT out of being a sore loser, causing everyone else to think what a bitch she is
>Kyon did at one point put her in her place anyways
He didn't, Itsuki was a faggot who kept Kyon from giving her what she deserved. In contrast, Asuka gets mindraped and Shiki fights Akiha to the death (with her either becoming a mindless husk or losing her love in her own route). Plenty more interesting than an unrepentant bitch being handed everything on a silver platter while all the other superior girls suffer.
>so long as they are a "bitch" to them, that tsundere will usually get hate no matter what.
Exactly, so that's why tsunderes shouldn't be bitches.
>>122389169
The problem is that tsundere is used as an excuse for shitty characters, lazy writing and status quo more often than not. They're great when done right, but just about all of them are terrible excuses for characters who strive to be as cliche and unoriginal as possible.
LN Louise is a sweetheart, but I also liked anime Louise too despite the unjustified abuse.
>>122391283
I'm down, but most of my saved images aresuper lewd
>>122391322
>no best girl
Just as much of an unlikable bitch in the LN, I see.
>>122391836
If it makes you feel better, Siesta is my second favorite girl
>>122391322
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uwHhF92_3s#t=42
>I am so slutty!
Louise summed up in one sentence.
>>122391963
Yeah yeah funny joke haha
Here's your reply
>>122385212
>>122389458
Oh shit, is that official artwork where she visibly doesn't wear any panties? Bold.
>>122392019
You sound a bit mad, Lousefag. Is it because you know it's the truth?
>>122391299
You can't even use "did nothing wrong" meme correctly. Are you sure you're not new? But really, your application of that meme to the argument makes no sense whatsoever. Tsundere being tsun for any reason hasn't been and shouldn't be something that warrants your silly persecution for compensation. If it did, the general concept of tsundere would never had worked in the first place and wouldn't' be as it is now.
Context. Being the most popular and polarizing archetype will naturally attract the largest detractors. But even so, the size of the fandom across the collective mediums is anything but a minority.
Just what are you on? Akiha doesn't compare to Haruhi or Chitoge in being aggressive. even much less to Asuka. To even use an example that had her be yandere doesn't reflect her aggressiveness as a tsundere, which in most routes and in general is not aggressive, but is closer to a kuudere. And to my memory, Akiha wasn't seen as a bitch. The twins and Shiki wouldn't throw such vulgar word and thoughts towards Akiha that way.
>kept Kyon from giving her what she deserved.
Jesus. You are seriously out for blood. Kyon made his point and Haruhi did settled down some. But even Kyon really did hit her, Haruhi who is a force of nature, would let something like that affect her anyways. That's one of her charming points.
>handed everything on a silver platter
What does that even mean? A lot of tsundere struggle in turmoil with their conflicted feelings or go through drama that will earn the relationship that forms at the end of the story.
>suffer
So basically for you a tsundere is only good or better if the tsundere suffers because of their tsun, especially if they're the hostile/abusiveness types. Yeah, you got issues.
>shouldn't be bitches.
I don't think it's hard to see that you are a tsundere hater if you seriously see it that way. Of course to you anything remotely disagreeable will have you scream bitch, and thus you think your hate is warranted.
>>122392680
Yes, now go away
>>122393151
Enjoy your NTR.
>>122393236
She never liked him romantically so I don't get what you mean by NTR.
>>122391963
>teh RIE singing
>Louise being cute
I don't understand, your words and action don't match up. Anon, are you a tsundere for a tsundere?
>>122393511
He's referring to the part in the song where it sounds like she's saying "I'm so slutty".
>>122393018
>the general concept of tsundere would never had worked in the first place
It doesn't, and that's why it's so hated. You only realized that just now?
>Being the most popular
Nice try. As polls have shown, tsunderefags are generally underageb8.
>A lot of tsundere struggle in turmoil with their conflicted feelings or go through drama that will earn the relationship that forms at the end of the story.
Wow, conflicted feelings. Woe be them, huh? Totally makes up for how they tend to (figuratively or literally) fall out of the sky, get shoved together with the guy by everyone else for no good reason all of a sudden, and NTR all the other girls who liked him far before they even arrived and weren't cunts about it.
>Yeah, you got issues.
Pretty sure wanting to see abusive cunts get what's coming to them is perfectly natural. How's that battered husband syndrome going, though?
>I don't think it's hard to see that you are a tsundere hater if you seriously see it that way
Who isn't, with what a blight on the harem genre they are?
>>122393584
>and NTR all the other girls who liked him far before they even arrived and weren't cunts about it.
They should've done something while they had the chance, they deserve it.
>>122380366
how was her treating her brother like dogshit acceptable?
>>122393807
Because he kept coming back to her
>>122393705
Funny with how tsunderefags keep screaming that girls like Yoshida and Siesta are shit just for acting on their love instead of passively letting the tsundere swoop in and take the guy from them.
>>122393835
that doesn't make it acceptable, that just makes him a fucking retard.
>>122393925
Jokes on you, I don't dislike characters just to hate them. I liked Yoshida and Siesta.
>>122393933
Exactly, and therefore it was his own fault for coming back which made it acceptable.
>>122393705
Agreed. Girls who don't act on their feelings deserve to lose to those who do.
>>122394048
It's funny because Kyou got a winning end while Ryou was NTR'd.
>>122394188
>going for the shit end
Ryou's end is the true end of Clannad.
>>122391322
>Siesta crossed out.
>being this assblasted even in fantasy
>>122394275
It was Nagisa actually, Ryou was complete and utter shit
>>122394302
They're actually friends in the novel, that illustration is just what she really wants which is both cute and funnyto me.
>>122393584
>It doesn't
That's your unpopular opinion. And being a polarizing archetype will always mean that it will attract people but also put off others. It comes with the territory, it doesn't mean it doesn't work. The fact it is popular and doesn't need fixing means it has worked from the start.
>Nice try.
Reading comprehension. Tsundere is the most popular archetype that gets created all the time. It's only logical it will have the largest detractors.
>polls
See above. But since you bring this up, I'd like you to prove it with these "polls" of yours that I'm sure will be legit and accurate, right? If you're thinking about 2014's yearly poll then you're going to be out of luck since only a minority are underage. And that poll helps my point about the fandom not being a minority.
>Wow, conflicted feelings. Woe be them, huh? Totally makes up for how they tend to (figuratively or literally) fall out of the sky, get shoved together with the guy by everyone else for no good reason all of a sudden, and NTR all the other girls who liked him far before they even arrived and weren't cunts about it.
Sarcasm isn't proper counterargument. You didn't refute those points.
>abusive cunts
>battered husband syndrome
Go seek help.
>Who isn't
So you confirm it. Your biased and unreasonable hate is truly ridiculous.
>>122393925
>for acting on their love
Wrong. Those girls are hated because they are annoying and get in the way of better girls. Being largely irrelevant and useless doesn't help them win people over either.
>>122394518
>Go seek help.
>literally going "y-you too" when confronted with the fact you're the one with problems
Tsunderefags, everyone.
>they are annoying and get in the way of better girls
In other words, you being spoiled and crying because tsunderes don't always get their way completely. In case you didn't notice, the tsunderes are the ones getting in their way, as they're open with their feelings from the very beginning, while the tsunderes keep cockblocking the guy while refusing to admit their own.
>>122394370
>Ryou was complete and utter shit
Looks like you made a typo. She's spelled with a K.
>>122394919
>Thinks there's something wrong with tsundere and calls them bitches because of their tsun
>Wants tsundere to suffer and get payback for being tsundere regardless of reason to the person they like
>Obviously has no heart and can't into moe
Anyone can see you have mental problems, tsundere hater.
Straw man. There are many harem where tsundere has rivals and don't win. And many of their rivals don't get the same hate. Characters like Yoshida and Siesta receive the hate they get because they aren't to most in the fanbase of their respective series.
Neither Yoshida or Siesta are childhood friends or have had even a decent history with the MC, so your whole complaint for them doesn't even apply to what you're ranting about. Funny enough, Siesta does cockblock Louise often and Shana willingly goes out of her way to compete fair and square, at times she even helps Yoshida when she is at a disadvantage. So, you are shooting yourself in the foot here.
>>122395507
>not liking abusive cunts means you have no heart
This is your mind on tsunderefaggotry. In case you didn't realize, moe is about traits such as shyness and girls who mature over time (note how the kanji means budding, as in a growing flower), with girls who embody that being the complete antithesis of tsunderes, who start with a hard shell and soften over time. Moe is a (shrinking) violet, and tsundere is a rose.
But keep deluding yourself, masochist. Everyone else will be enjoying their genuinely sweet and kind girls.
>>122395906
>implying tsunderes even appeal to masochists
They suck at dominating because they always hesitate and pussy out at the last second. Really, tsunderes are the epitome of mediocrity and half-measures, so it's a wonder how anyone likes them.
>>122395906
>Believes tsundere = abusive cunts
That's your mind on tsunhatefaggotry.I can play your game too.
Nope. Moe is a lot of things related to response to 2D love/attraction/infatuation. Your limited, restrictive definition and antithesis belief is proof you are still largely ignorant about moe. The fact you believe one of the oldest moe archetype in existence that make use of gap moe from strong vs weakness, embarrassment, progression from tsun to dere, and various more somehow isn't moe is further proof of your uncultured and delusional mind.
Nice to see you continue to ignore other points made because you cant' argue against them. I'll take it you concede and have nothing else to say.
>>122396206
>i-it's moe because I say it is!
Sounds like you're the one who's uncultured and ignorant about its origins. You know what character the term moe is commonly thought to originate from? She's hardly a tsundere, that's for sure.
>I'll take it you concede and have nothing else to say.
Nah, it means I'm right and you're not even worth replying to anymore regarding that.
>>122396193
Nigga, do you even Mio or Louise? Tsundere definitely can be made for M and can be good at it if they are designed for such fetish. Most tsundere usually aren't made for M, being abusive doesn't mean automatically made for M.
>>122380377
>>122380859
Asuka isn't tsundere.
>>122396541
>being abusive doesn't mean automatically made for M
It does, however, mean being made for shit taste.
>>122396688
>Dares to insult Mio-sama
How would you like to die, fagget?
>>122396757
The smell of the shit you're posting is killing me already.
>>122396757
Leave now Miofriend, it's not worth it.
I love my waifu. She's more or less grown out of her tsun phase, though it's arguable she was ever tsun at all.
>>122396900
>Dat worst girl
Even God can't forgive this terrible taste.
>>122396946
Alright fine. I'll hold back on the bat. It's time for a nun instead.
>>122380366
This is true, but you posted an awful example.
tsundere ntr ftw
There's no such thing as a good tsundere.
>>122380616
Mikoto is a disgrace to tsunderes.
>>122397210
Yes there is, it's just that the nips are lazy fucks when it comes to characters so we're flooded with hundreds of shitcunts, which is causing the good tsundere characters to slip by you unnoticed.
>>122396418
Is your mental issue making it hard for you to comprehend what you read? No one said anything about moe being originated because of tsundere. And there is no source or accurate origin of how moe (萌える one) came to be, so your empty claim to know about origin being important only hurts by discrediting you. Trying to read off wikipedia or wherever doesn't make you any more cultured than you are not when you have shown blatant ignorance about moe. Words evolve, changes, and expand its usage as time passes. In this case, "moe" expanded its meaning and still is growing to this day as to what it means and how it is applied.
>I'm right
Claiming this despite being unable to refute other points made and admit your mistake when they get pointed out? I'm glad you are digging your own grave, tsunnhater.
>>122397127
>Dat worst girl
Yup, she's right there in your pic.
>>122380215
>>122397210
>Forcing this meme with those charts
Oh hey, it's THK's poor-grade clone.
>>122397374
Mine a shit. A SHIT.
>>122397374
>Generic pink abusive twintail tsundere that only becomes "good" (read: slightly less annoying) when she stops being tsundere altogether
>Good
No
>>122397333
>being unable to refute other points made
Oh, but I already have. What's that, you don't see it? Well, that only serves to discredit you. Not that being a tsunderefag wasn't enough to do that.
>>122380578
>Ranpha
>tsundere
>>122397374
Yep.
>>122397468
>>122397485
Ignore these butthurt Esdeathfags.
>>122397453
Are you that one lone faggot who desperately tries to defend Oreimo? Everyone knows it's a garbage show, bubs.
>>122397374
Describe her for me.
>>122397517
>No link to polls he claimed
>Twisting words and can never back then up when they get addressed
>Doesn't even admit his error about Yoshida and Siesta
>"digging your own grave"
Literally.
>>122397735
Cute, cheeky, and assertive who confessed and took the initiative to date the MC.
Pic worth a thousand words.
>>122397757
Well, if you insist on getting told yet again...
>>122398063
>387 vs 79
>If you're thinking about 2014's yearly poll then you're going to be out of luck since only a minority are underage. And that poll helps my point about the fandom not being a minority.
>Tsundere is above 50 percentile for overall
Thanks for agreeing with me and getting yourself told.
>>122398063
The older someone gets, the more they mature and realize how shit tsunderes are. Simple as that.
>>122398221
>40%
>above 50%
Tsunderefags in charge of basic maths.
>>122398267
>Decrease is consistent to other types
By that logic, every archetype is realized as shit when you get older.
>>122398391
Decrease in percentage you fucking idiot. Are you this bad at math?
>>122398367
>Highest 694
>Lowest 202
Wrong average, idiot. Keep on deflecting though even though you got told.
>>122398486
>Decrease in percentage
No shit. The oldest age group have a smaller sample pool, but the decrease is consistent to other fetishes besides tsundere.
>Come back hours later
>See that THK is at it again
>Someone actually fed him and tried to argue against his autism
Every time.
>>122398853
Post more tsundere. Problem solved.
>>122397374
Agreed.
"Good tsundere" is an oxymoron
Prove me wrong. pro tip:you cunt
>>122399207
Why did best boys have to die?
>>122398486
From 60% to 38% to 24%. That's pretty clearly a decrease by 36%. Basic math.
>>122398541
Try harder, it says 40% right there.
>>122399633
Probably because all boys died except MC and Player 2 MC.
>>122399798
I wasn't talking about the sample pool, retard. I'm saying overall fetish, tsundere is above the average. Out of all the people who voted, 694 is the highest. At 499, tsundere is well above the average.
>>122400361
Alright then, why are women so stronk?
>>122400620
But Suu and aniki were the strongest in night raid, and Tatsumincursio is now at least second in the empire.
There are simply more woman to die.
>>122400870
>Luciafag shitting over other tsundere that are even good
People like you make me hope Rewrite never gets animated lest the fanbase will be ruined by cancer brought by the anime.
>>122400456
Too bad the majority of those votes are still by underage people and newfags.
>>122398853
Yes, it's funny how tsunderefags always try to argue, yet end up failing at it completely.
>>122401228
79 isn't greater than 308. Learn to basic math.
>>122401609
>See >>122397757 >>122398221
It's you who can't argue for shit, THK.
She has to be the absoluteworsttsundere there is
>>122401425
When did I say that? I like Lucia. I don't think she's the greatest, but she's good. But, you're still a faggot for hating other good tsundere.
>people taking THK's whining seriously
Shouting at babies just makes them cry more. If he's going to act like a crying baby about tsunderes, we should treat him accordingly.
>>122402165
>THK
Epic meme
>>122401780
>308
>making up numbers out of nowhere
Who needs to learn basic math again? Also, I like how you pointed to a post that got proven wrong by linking to the very poll you're talking about.
>>122402165
THK can't argue to save his own skin anyways.
>>122402315
>Can't add 355 and 32
>Still deflecting
THK, everyone.
>>122402604
>THK
>THK
Keep those memes comin', /b/ro.
>>122402604
>can't argue to save his own skin
>355+32=308!
The irony.
>>122380215
A dead tsundere.
>>122402895
An abused tsundere.
>>122402759
>Forgetting the 79
THK is this retarded.
>>122391322
>>122402895
>IP count didn't go up
Why are you replying to OP as if you were a new poster, samefag-kun?
>>122402997
>THK
Moar memes.
Tsunderes melt my heart
>>122402968
A tsundere that's bound to lose?
>>122380377
+1 for misaka and kyou
This is the correct chart.
>>122402997
>w-what about 355+32+79, then?! that must be 308!
Is your name THK, then?
>>122403063
>being this autistic
>>122380413
Tsunderes are only good mid or post D obtainment.
Otherwise, they're just ok
Best girl
>>122403170
Pic unrelated, right?
>>122403438
Sort of related I guess, best maid to best tsundere
>>122403264
Those are the bestto make fun of.
>>122403358
>79
>as in the minority that's not being bigger than 308, the majority
THK, I'm starting to wonder if you are a real retard at basic math or if you are just pretending to be a retard. Regardless, you are only making yourself look like a moron who still can't argue. Keep it up.
Best tsunderes are exposed
>>122403530
Bullying tsunderes should be the norm.
>>122403594
Why are you blaming your own retarded mistakes on others?
>>122403710
I agree.
>>122398063
The chart says tropes, but aren't those archetypes?
I love tsunderes
![8lYP0Jc[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/czFbQ96.png "8lYP0Jc[2].png")
Canon
>>122403869
>>122403748
>Claims underage is the minority
>Can't into math and logical conclusion
>mistakes
That's you, retard.
![himi[2].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/2v9ywRz.jpg "himi[2].jpg")
>>122403869
Claire is hot and perflat.
>>122403951
It's a miracle of the universe
>>122403970
When everything that's marginally good is called a miracle of the universe the term starts to lose meaning. I'm starting to think she's not that great.
>>122403951
>>122403970
Claire A SHIT.
>>122404003
She's pure shit, actually.
>>122403910
Nope, that's all you.
![[SS-Eclipse] Shakugan no Shana Final - 09 (1280x720 Hi10P) [3D73200C].mkv_snapshot_17.13_[2015.03.05_20.58.01].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/m0fuIOr.jpg "[SS-Eclipse] Shakugan no Shana Final - 09 (1280x720 Hi10P) [3D73200C].mkv_snapshot_17.13_[2015.03.05_20.58.01].jpg")
>>122403506
Ufufu. I don't know about best tsundere but i do enjoy watching her blow things up.
Tsunderes are only good when they are older.
>>122404017
>There he goes again
THK pls go and stay.
>>122404091
She's pretty good at that
That climax from the movie is great
>>122404054
>Sees >>122401228 >>122401780
I wonder how you're going to get yourself out of this mess.
>>122404137
Fuck off Clairefag. No one wants you here.
>>122403506
>>122404091
>>122404170
Shana is HOT and easily one of the best around.
>>122404227
Actually, no one wants you anywhere in here, THK.
I love all of them
Honorary mention to Aria because she's great too, pretty hot and hilarious
>>122404227
>Implying you aren't outnumbered here
Take your own advice, shitposter-kun.
>>122402968
Does this count as winning or losing?
