>>121436284 >hated his fight because it was goddamn awful Please explain, i thought it was pretty great actually Also >takes on the strongest character in the series yet on his own >stall him for a long time even with the huge difference of power >sacrifice self to save humanity Stop being salty, Netero was based and you're just a contrarian cunt >>121436285 Because he wanted a good fight, not getting killed after his first strike
>>121436371 The issue with names in HxH was a really nice touch. The ants arriving at individuality, Hagya defiantly discards his given name for 'Leol'. It was satisfying to have Meruem for the first time hear that he had a name worth fighting to discover and rediscovering it to then share with Komugi in their last moments. It was so much more gratifying when a Welfin-in-peril whimpered "Komugi", the music swelled, and the world turned on it's head. Those were such memorable episodes.
>>121438181 Honestly, you're pleb as fuck if you found ANYTHING in this arc deep or meaningful.
Seriously, watch or read anything intended for adults and it might fry your brain.
The moment anime attempts being philosophical is typically the moment is turns into shit.
Attempting to bridge the gap between magic users fighting animals that essentially birth what they eat and the real world is just laughable and every single moment of the chimera arc could be MST3000'd
I don't think that. Whatever philosophy there was, was dealt with in a way that didn't seem contrived or convoluted. It was natural to broach such topics especially when you think about survival of a species, a species coming to terms with their own agency in a system that is dependent on a hivemend. And then you have Netero acknowledging the danger of the King's ongoing individual evolution, his juvenile sense of "equality" and what the would mean if he took over. Which is why Netero had an even higher priority to nip it all in the bud. We see Gon's literal and figurative dreadful loss of innocence, coming of age through the true death of somebody important - harboring an mutilating sense of guilt. Friendship has been a staple undercurrent which is a heartfelt motivation to get through a situation as seen with Killua. Shoot in realizing he has courage and conviction, is not a coward and prepares to make his life's sacrifice to buy a few more minutes for his comrades etc. Meanwhile Knuckle had to contend with the threat of the ants and his sympathy towards life. The Royal guards and their different forms of loyalty also proves interesting and worthy of commentary. It's not like name dropping Wittgenstein or Stirner or writers like in PP for the sake of exploring ideas. These "philosophical" ideas were represented through events and the actions of characters. I wouldn't use 'philosophical' since it tends to bring baggage, I'd use 'thoughtful' or 'contemplative'.
>>121438314 I just loved the way it completely subverted every shitty Jump cliché in the span of about 30 seconds. >Ultimate threat to human kind is stronger than a peak human that has trained his whole life >Peak human has flawless strategy but ultimately loses because humans are not above nature >This does not however speak for the collective achievements of human kind and there is no living organism that could withstand a 50 megaton nuclear blast >The army could have just rolled in at any time and steam rolled the ants If this was any other shitty shounen series Meruem would have brushed off the blast and then got his ass handed to him by Gon.
>>121438416 It's hamfisted in that, in the anime, and to a lesser extent the manga, they have a narrator explaining most of what's going on, leaving no room for interpretation, in the most hilariously stupid way.
It doesn't give itself room to be contemplated, because it tells you exactly what to think, reducing all thoughtful impact it might have.
It's like reading the spark notes of a particularly good novel that tells you exactly what you're looking at, rather than coming to any conclusions of your own.
In theory, all of that sounds nice, but the execution isn't up to it.
>>121438479 >narration leaving no room for interpretation.
It's hard to see how that's the case the case. I and most people who are bothered enough to write and discuss hxh could do so beyond the level of a recap of events as partly done by >>121437658 or here >>121438416. There are novels out there and films that have that kind of all-seeing narration but that doesn't hamper worthwhile commentary on it because it doesn't dictate our own reaction and how we draw our conclusions since there are various things we react to. One of which is how much of the story itself provides enough to comment on and what those very elements are. You have two complaints here: >The moment anime attempts being philosophical is typically the moment is turns into shit. and execution (narration). I am concerned with he former with respect to the series. You say that the narration leaves no room for the former, but I just feel it does. HxH can have the same level of treatment, whatever is said can be further developed or elaborated upon and interpreted. If you can't draw conclusions beyond the relaying nature of the narration in the manga or anime - it might just be that some story elements and their set-peices don't preemptively resonate with you emotionally enough to comment on and that's cool - everybody has their poison. I myself don't mind the narration neither am I enthusiastic about it. Whatever was supposed to come across, came across for me to be able to discuss things about ti at length.
>>121439158 It didn't resonate with me, that's true, because I can't bring myself to care about those themes, but I still don't believe the depth is even near some great contemporary films namely by Charlie Kaufman like Synecdoche, New York.
I watch something like this, and don't get me wrong, I get everything that's happening, but it baffles me how people can take those things as deep or meaningful compared to so much more out there. It feels like they're either completely ignorant of better.
I do think that the narration ruins it. It was used so little before, but it even went as far in the Chimera Ant arc as to explain flat out what characters were thinking, right after they said what they were thinking. It's completely and utterly unnecessary and ruins the flow and I just can't take it seriously when it's holding my hand to complain about nuclear weaponry.
It becomes laughable, and I suppose if you don't mind it and don't find it laughable like I do, well more power to you.
I loved everything up until about the time the queen dies mind you.
>>121439972 Hunter x Hunter has been flipping from light-heared to mature arcs since the beginning, and you're point that media targeted to children can't cover mature themes or be mature and thoughtful in any way is retarded.
>>121439674 >but I still don't believe the depth is even near some great contemporary films namely by Charlie Kaufman like Synecdoche, New York. >>but it baffles me how people can take those things as deep or meaningful compared to so much more out there.
That's perhaps the problem right there. I don't think those with a high but sane appreciation for hxh would ever use that sort value judgment in their evaluation of it hxh. If an anime/manga/comic has transcended the stigma of its medium as to be compared with the more artfully "tasteful" works of literature or cinema, then I can see the justification for those value judgements being deployed. HxH may be praised as subversive and deep at various points but it is no Grave of the Fireflies or Princess Monokoke or Maus in terms of their cultural clout. Even in more relative terms it never gets proactively compared to like 'Monster'. However within the culture of the manga/anime medium, among the multitude of titles that start with the same vast adventurous premise as as HxH, or even just standard solidly rated works, hxh has qualities that makes it a stand-out. People praise it within and appropriate framework, scope and context.
>It feels like they're either completely ignorant of better. Personally speaking, I'm not. I like to believe I'm well-read as well as cultured. Here's hoping you'll take my word for it and take that into account in future discussions when considering the type of people who praise it.
>to explain flat out what characters were thinking, right after they said what they were thinking. Which one is it? Are you complaining that the narration leaves no room for "deep" interpretation of the events and actions or that the narration paraphrased the internal dialogues is pointless. Because the latter definitely doesn't preclude the former from happening nor does it mean that it the serious themes explored during the completed arcs were at all pretentious as they may be in other shows like PP.
>>121439674 >It didn't resonate with me, that's true, because I can't bring myself to care about those themes, but I still don't believe the depth is even near some great contemporary films namely by Charlie Kaufman like Synecdoche, New York.
Why are you comparing chinese cartoon's to your MATURE and DEEP "contemporary" films? Your argument doesn't even make sense, if you stopped being an autist and comparing it to irrelevant shit, you'd see why it's good.
>>121441982 I like both for different reasons. Pariston is the perfect foil - a totally spherical rat-bastard. Cheadle is admirable and you can trust and rely on her to try and at least do the right thing. Leorio is in good hands.
>>121435457 Netero is awesome. RIP. He goes with all the GREATS OF OLDMANDOM - Muten Roshi, Heihachi and Jinpachi Mishima, That One Guy From Bleach With Ryujinjakka, Jiraiya-sensei, and Sarutobi, Hiruzen!
>>121452129 The anime didn't cover it, but there were some of those hunters with him the enitre time, that can turn invisible. They were also the ones, who were examining the Hunter exam while staying unnoticed the entire time. Read the chapters from where the anime finishes, and you'll get your answers.
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