>>121258025 Where you expecting one? PS3fags would rather have pretty soulless sprites than R07's expressive midgets. Also unlike Higurashi Umineko has +100 amazing tracks, would you really want to have voices over worldenddominator or ressurectedreplayer and ruin the moment? Of course not.
Original sprites are more expressive and the simplicity of them actually allows you to project more realistic qualities to them whereas the PS3 ones look like generic anime cut-outs. Also the backgrounds are more immersive since they're actual 3D places with a filter on them instead of weirdly angled stiff drawings.
The voices themselves are actually pretty fitting but the scenes flow better when you read at your own pace instead of waiting for the voice cues. Overall I'd highly suggest going with the originals first. Plus you have more custom Openings with the originals than you do for the PS3 ones.
PS3 sprites or bust, the voices are great as well. People saying the voices cover up the music are stupid, you can still hear the music perfectly fine. Most of the reason people like the original sprites is just because that's what they are accustomed to, and it's become Stockholm Syndrome. Use the PS3 sprites with the voices, the voices were even picked out by Ryu himself. Ryu wrote Umineko with voices in mind, so not using them would be like spitting in his face.
>>121259097 Don't forget that the filtered photos are photos of the actual island. I thought it was cool as shit that the island actually existed. I thought the photos were just stock stuff and that the island was just a made up one at first. The PS3 backgrounds just don't compare.
Now I'm kind of sad that I didn't get to experience it with voice acting. Then again reading it when it was translated and arguing about it on /jp/ until the next episode was out is what made it so enjoyable.
I have really mixed feelings about Umineko. The parts where they argue with red and blue text are really cool, but I hate how the solutions to the murders are never explained. Battler arguing with Erika over closed rooms and stuff was the best part, I wish it had more of that and less bullshit padding it out.
>>121258091 >would you really want to have voices over worldenddominator or ressurectedreplayer and ruin the moment? This. Also, don't get me wrong, I like Ohara's voice, but for the PS3 Umineko's dialogs she made way way waaaay too many fucking dramatic pauses! I ended up skipping a lot of her lines.
Honestly the whole thing is already incredibly long as it is, if you decide to listen to all the voiced lines, it will take you twice the amount of time.
>>121259097 > Also the backgrounds are more immersive since they're actual 3D places with a filter on them instead of weirdly angled stiff drawings
Are you damn kidding me, you're beyond retarded. And the vanilla sprites aren't anything original. They just have more deformed faces you obviously don't see everywhere. Erika is ltterally the same but less detailed/well done and with not as much poses as the ps3's.
Also, Goat Kun and Lambda are 100 times better in the ps3 games.
>>121259229 >actual island There's no such thing as an actual Rokkenjima! That picture you posted there is a western Mansion in Tokyo and same goes for the exterior and interiors of the main family house.
Now I don't know if the few pictures of Niijima were actually taken at Niijima, but most likely they weren't.
>>121259296 >huurrrr I disagree so you are retarded We're all just arguing opinions, dickface. The goats looked way better in the original since they look like normal men with huge goatheads which is way spookier than the HUEG marvel comics-esque super goat men.
Does anyone have the pictures mocking how retarded the backgrounds are in the PS3 versions?
>>121259391 Let alone the fact that photos aren't adapted for all the Meta stuff or night/rain modes, and that they're just a lazy way. Why the fuck would you use photos with drawn sprites ? Yeah, because doing so requires way less work, that is all.
>>121259433 >>121259404 The goats are strong magic creatures. That's simply way more logical that way, and because Ryukishi can't draw muscles for shit. Just a reminder that most changes are logical, it's the same as in Higurashi with Shion's and Takano's clothes that weren't adapted for summer.
>The ps3 expressions are great and there are way more than in the vanilla.
>>121259325 I'm pretty sure Umineko puts forth that there is an answer and you can reach it if you put enough effort into understanding the story and its characters. This also implies you might have to change some personal views you have in order to do this, and some people are too prideful for that. Just see the reaction of every anon every time Yasu is brought up.
And the thing is, people take the whole "truth doesn't matter" out of context in a petty attempt to derail the message of the story. That was directed to Ange (the only person that truly deserved to know what happened, not the goats that were unrelated to the whole thing and only wanted the truth for self-satisfaction), because Ange was in a spiral of self-destruction and knowing what happened would be the cherry on the cake for her, since she had given up on living and Battler wanted her to move on and stop looking for justifications for her hatred of Eva. In Ange's case, it really was for the best she'd move on and forget about the whole thing, since it would only lead her to destruction.
>>121259708 Well, those people are pushing their shitty niche opinion on everyone else while saying it's the absolute truth. Same as the "lol 480p filtered photos are better than hand drawn backgrounds" or "SOULEEEEEESS" for the sprites when it's plain stupid >>121259200
>>121259565 Except Higurashi animu is one of the worst adaptations ever; it miss the point of the story and overdoes the horror in a stupid way. Not to mention that is full of QUALITY and it lacks the awesome music from the sound novel.
>>121259966 No, I'm not talking about myself. Read the first arc in vanilla and swapped for the rest of the serie without hearing much opinions. It's simply that I keep hearing those vanilla only fags shouting everytime because muh original and it's just cringe worthy.
>>121259989 If you don't read the VN then you miss the perfect timings of many of the songs. Also not a few songs have a significant meaning simply because of the scenes they are associated with. If you just read the manga you miss out on that.
It's like listening to 2hu songs without ever having played the shooter.
>>121259708 Voices distract you from the music or don't let you enjoy it to the fullest. And Umineko's music is too damn good for that. They set up the ambient in a rather nice way too. And like that other anon said, it can be annoying waiting for the voices to kick in between each line to keep reading. I don't know about you but it was easier to read Fate/SN with the voices off than waiting for every voice to finish its line before moving on.
And personally I like it when I'm reading and I'm imagining the character's voices and then checking out later how they actually sound like with the VAs. Or reading with the original sprites simply because they're the ones R07 made himself and while at the beginning they feel weird they slowly grow in you. You can see the guy actually put effort into it.
>>121260016 >She instantly became a better and happy person after that. Did you forget the part where she tried to commit suicide an it took the entire Ushiromiya family to convince her that it was worth living after that.
>>121260168 >then you miss the perfect timings of many of the songs
You'll ALWAYS miss out things if you don't read a support idiot. Best is obviously to see everything to have the full experience, but doesn't matter what is the one in first. Besides the anime obviously.
>>121260180 >Voices distract you from the music or don't let you enjoy it to the fullest. And Umineko's music is too damn good for that.
No, they don't.
> And personally I like it when I'm reading and I'm imagining the character's voices and then checking out later how they actually sound like with the VAs.
Hey, know what, you should also remove the music, so that you can also start imagining which could be played in the differrent scenes. Or wait, remove the sprites and backgrounds too, it's also more fun to get to imagine how the places and characters look.
I read the first half with voices and PS3 sprites, and Chiru vanilla. Loved them both, but the voices definitely enhanced my enjoyment.
>Beato's laugh >Beato's voice in general
I loved the OST and the voices didn't distract me from enjoying the music. There was a point where I played worldend constantly everyday, Ep 3 with the Rosa/Maria scene wasn't any worse due to the voices and worldend still stood out.
>>121260350 >No, they don't. They can for some people, you can't blame them for that.
>Hey, know what, you should also remove the music, so that you can also start imagining which could be played in the differrent scenes. Or wait, remove the sprites and backgrounds too, it's also more fun to get to imagine how the places and characters look. Have you ever read a book that isn't a picture book? Also why are you so butthurt about someone's opinion? I never said OP should do that, I'm just stating my reasons to do it.
>>121260151 >>121260244 She committed suicide in EP4 as well, when she didn't know the truth. Ange had been dysfunctional and depressed for 12 years and all because she followed fantasies like "it's all Eva's fault" and "I can meet my family again".
Clearly learning the truth was the only way to get her out from that hell. As risky as it was, the alternative still led her to her death. And telling her "no your family was happy happy" simply could never work.
>>121260287 >read a support What? It does matter what you read first because the details of the story and spoilers and truths about characters are only learned once. It's better to uncover those things alongside their accompanying music for the full impact.
>>121260502 >Ange had been dysfunctional and depressed for 12 years and all because she followed fantasies like "it's all Eva's fault" and "I can meet my family again". Witches' Tanabata practically says she could have moved on with Eva and led a happy life with her, but her obsession with the truth ruined it all. If she had let go since the start the whole war against Eva wouldn't have happened. Also her hatred of Eva isn't a "fantasy", Eva was actually willing to make a family with Ange, but after Ange rejected her she lost her shit. Ange couldn't let go of her family and move on, that was the start of her downfall.
>She committed suicide in EP4 as well The scene in which she jumped off the building? She knew there was a net. And the scene with Battler has more to do with the meta world than the real world.
BTW the manga version of EP8 sheds light on a lot more stuff than the VN does, and several ambiguous points are clarified. R07 himself confirmed that it's all stuff that he asked the mangaka to add and therefore it's canon.
Could somebody translate this tweet? 新しいものに挑戦するっていいですね！ 今月は有意義な打ち合わせが多く、僕も新たな気持ちでまた明日から頑張ります！ 発表したいこと山ほどなんですが、まだまだ色々内緒でごめんなさい！（；＞ｗ＜）でも、今日も竜騎士は頑張って執筆してます！ もう少し待っててね、おやすみなさい！（竜） If Google translate is right, it says something about Ryukishi writing.
>>121261274 I'm not saying she should have forgotten about them. Is understandable she missed her parents. But she wasn't completely alone, and Eva didn't hate her until she made clear she wasn't going to be her ally. She had the chance to be happy, but threw it away in order to search for a truth that was going to amount to nothing, and only led her to a life of pain and loneliness.
Is a bit unfair to say this because she was still a child, but she basically brought it upon herself when she decided to reject her only ally in order to cling to the truth. Eva is not a saint either, and is wasn't fair the way she treated Ange the following years, but at least she had the intention to move on with her at the beginning, something Ange herself lacked.
>>121261710 To be fair her beloved son and husbands were among the victims. Besides the fact she just comes on the island one time every years and that everything happened because of a fucking pack of bombs that were already on the island for a long time.
Something as simple as her just being the bad guy is plain stupid.
>>121261516 well, it's a shitload of work to do something like that. That's nothing you could do in a few days. Still it's a shame, the sprites are there, and programs for making your own VN too, it's not even that complicated, just a massive amount of writing.
>>121261526 >Eva was terrible and she triggered all of this by hiding the truth. Ange wasn't interested in the truth until she wanted it to prove her hatred towards Eva. She couldn't accept Eva as her new family and that's when Eva lost her shit. They make a huge point that Ange is hoping she'll get something out of the truth, when in reality she won't
And, to be fair, the story made a point that the media was also bad for harassing Eva in a matter that only concerned, if anything, to the police and the people related to the victims. The whole thing with the witch-hunters was that they wouldn't get anything from opening the catbox other than patting themselves in the back for being oh so smart for solving a huge murder case.
>>121261907 Well then, is a rather cheap logic if you ignore Eva's madness that followed having her son and husband killed. Also is not good to make assumptions without proof.
>>121261526 >We are connected because we are aunt and niece. But, we are also connected in that I have lost a child, and you have lost your parents. >And we cannot trick ourselves into thinking of each other as replacements for our lost family. >Even so, I think of you as my own child. >So if you......could allow that, then I'd like you to think of me as your mother, and I want you to rely on me for whatever you need. >Eva had hugged Ange as she said that. >To the young Ange, Mom was Mom, and Eva definitely wasn't. ......However, she understood the the meaning of those words, and the affection verging on sorrow.
>"If you wish, from the bottom of your heart, for your real mother to return......then you musn't give the position of mother away to somebody else so easily. If your real mother loses her position as your mother, then she will never come back home."
>"Ye, ......yes, Witch-sama. ......Eva oba-san is Eva oba-san. I will certainly never call her Mom. I won't think of her as Mom."
>Ange-chan, if you ever remember how to smile........please show me too. >I feel that if we do that, we'll be able to remember how to smile even more.
>"To one who wishes for their family to return, such as you, pain and sorrow strong enough to lift that wish to the heavens are necessary. >......Until that day, you mustn't show your smile."
>"You mustn't feel happiness. You musn't feel joy. .........You must never forget the sorrow of losing your family. ......And stay away from the demon who will try to make you forget that, who will try and decieve you. .........Ushiromiya Eva will try and crush that resolve many times with her sweet words. But you must never listen to them, alright...? Eva is a demon who will try and steal away your family for all eternity. *giggle*. No, she actually DID STEAL THEM AWAY."
>"M, my resolve won't be broken...! Until my wish is granted, I certainly will not listen to Eva oba-san's words...!! So please, grant my wish, Witch-sama...!!"
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