Welcome to the Queen Decim! Please take a Seat.
You sell wine?
So that bug business didn't work out huh?
Are you an albino?
>>119676359
Can I get some redbull before playing?
Does the first episode feel not as fresh when you're already full aware of what to expect? I guess to people who never saw the one-off episode it feels entirely novel, but the surprise and shock is definitely long gone here.
>>119676885
I saw Death Billards, and I loved episode 1 just as much, if not more.
>>119676533
>>119676359
Are you Chris Hansen?
>>119676572
You're going to void
>>119676993
I just hope the rest of the show doesn't have to go through a dozen more "omg we're dead" revelations.
>>119676359
Thank you.
So.. do you guys have video games here?
>>119677480
We already know episode 2 isn't going to be like that.
>>119676359
Do you serve crack or heroin?
>>119677608
This is a licensed Bar and not a drug Palace for Drugs please visit the Hells Fury Bar
>>119676359
The corpses are fake and are just there to scare them out and play the game? what happens if they don't play it?
>>119676359
He mentions that this place is for couples. Will the rest of the show be about stupid relationship problems too?
>>119677690
Billiards wasn't, they were total strangers.
>>119677690
The places are for people who die at the same time. Watch Death Billiards now.
What if 3 people die a the same time what happen?
>>119677690
>He mentions that this place is for couples
No, for people who die at the same time.
They don't have to be related.
>>119677690
He mentions this place is for thoses who dies together at the same time.
If the word "couple" has been used, it was maybe mistranslated or misinterpreted.
>>119677690
Are you autistic? he never say that
Ready for character development next week?
Worst show of the season. Absolutely contrived bullshit solely to be as edgy as possible while pretending to be about something.
They just happened to forget stuff and remember stuff at the exact time it would be horrible/sad/tragic/gory/edgy/etc. The afterlife test just happens to be this gruesome and pointless 2v2. The solution to the puzzle just happens to be incredibly obvious (so all the viewers can seem smart that they figured it out straight away) yet the characters are so stupid they don't even think to ask more than a question or two before starting.
Edgemaster barman character design.
Bullshit "so edgy" revelation after "so edgy" revelation.
Characters acting completely stupid and irrational both before the timeline starts and during the episode. Completely random shit like going bezerk and trying to stab her (cause it's edgy and we wanna be about dark things like death and hurting eachother).
Oh it just so happens to hit the bullseye because he interupted her, oh wow.
Every single thing that happened in the show I thought "If this thing happens next I'll be really fucking pissed" and then that thing happened, and it kept happening till the end of the episode.
If the subsequent episodes are anything like this one this'll easily be the worst anime of the season.
>>119678351
All that edge and we don't even know what the show is actually about because they were more concerned with attracting the "whoa, so gruesome, edgy games involving human lives and suffering via completely contrived metaphysics that don't even make sense in-universe, SO COOL" crowd.
>>119676359
Give me a Gin Tonic or three.
I feel like I'll need a lot of alcohol.
>>119678351
inb4 this is edited as copypasta for every episode
Shirley Temple. Make it as frilly and sweet as you can. I can't stand the brute taste of alcohol.
>>119678351
Jerry springer anime version
>>119678351
>buzzword:the post
![[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_01.10_[2015.01.11_18.51.57].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/e80lxDE.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01 [720p].mkv_snapshot_01.10_[2015.01.11_18.51.57].jpg")
She going to be best girl right?
>>119678351
And to top it all off, just for that icing of extra edge... the loser is stuck in samsara, and the winner goes to purgatory (or possibly worse, depending on interpretation), fucking great. I just love arbitrarily dark shit like this, especially when it pretends to be deep.
>>119678733
>Shirley Temple
You some sort of girl, faggot?
>>119678351
Most retarded post of the day
![[FFF]_Death_Parade_-_01_[354391BE].mkv - 0001.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/r8YHQs1.jpg "[FFF]_Death_Parade_-_01_[354391BE].mkv - 0001.jpg")
>>119677844
He used the word "pairs" which sounds like two people in a relationship.
>>119678897
That's just the subs being wrong.
>>119678760
Jerry springer anime version fills the retarded quota but they decided to add in arbitrary suffering, corpses, blood, forced torture of loved ones, and 'good endings' that include experiencing eternal nothingness to fill the edge quota.
>>119676359
C-can I kiss you
>>119678897
Watch Death Billards
>>119678853
Yeah it's retarded because it points out why the anime I like is completely fucking contrived and stupid and possibly the worst written anime this season.
>>119678897
>>119678929
I think he means in the case of a couple dying at the same time they'll be put to the game instead of random two strangers. The conflict between the couple during the episode maybe was intended to really draw out each other's true colors.
>>119678797
>the loser is stuck in samsara
He gets another go-around in the cycle, he's as stuck as ever.
>purgatory
The winner gets to die for good.
>>119678985
Every thread about Death Parade should just put a fucking link to Death Billiards at this point. It shows how the games don't have to hurt your body, Decim's sympathetic side, how the pair doesn't have to know each other, how no one can die in the bar, etc. People are missing out
>>119676885
It wasn't as good as Billiards but it's not bad so far. I think people are overhyping it a little for only one episode though.
>>119679016
why you mad though
Is the OVA canon? We have heaven/hell there and a bartender refusing to disclose the outcome.
>>119678897
Pairs sounds like two people, not a couple. Definitely wishing more people would just watch Billiards to understand what's going on.
How come there isn't any anime or manga about a female protagonist having an all male harem? I get to see all this bullshit and stuff with the guys, but where's that stuff when it comes down to women?
Where's the polyandry?
The whole mysterious emotionless bartender in a mysterious extra dimensional bar that people somehow wind up at has been done a thousand trillion times.
>>119679153
you must be new
Japanese have no concept of heaven or hell, or divine punishment like we do.
It's all about muh ancestor's honor and that stuff.
>>119676359
It irks me that I always mispronounce Decim as "decim"al and not dekim in my head.
>>119679153
You don't watch much anime, do you?
>>119679150
Maybe in the first episode it's different since his boss (loli) gave him the okay to disclose the outcome.
>>119677836
They go to a theme park.
>>119679153
There is an entire genre dedicated to it, numbskull
otome
now stop being a butt
>>119678351
>tfw you will never end up at Queen Decim
>>119679054
>The winner gets to die for good.
From information in the first episode alone, all we get is 'void' which could be purgatory, worse, or-- yeah, just straight up death. Best result is death? Fuck yeah that gets my suffering hard on going.
>>119679206
>or divine punishment
Yes, they do. It's not divine as much as natural, but it exists. It's called Karma. There's also Naraka for the worst.
>>119676359
what happened to exterminating those bacteria thingos
>>119679410
They're all dead anyway, they're not going back to life as the humans they used to be.
>>119679410
Well, you could also be reincarnated as a cockroach or something.
![[gg] Anime Mirai 2013 Death Billiards 720p.mkv_snapshot_20.44_[2015.01.11_14.12.55].png](https://i.imgur.com/TTrMsCK.jpg "[gg] Anime Mirai 2013 Death Billiards 720p.mkv_snapshot_20.44_[2015.01.11_14.12.55].png")
>>119678897
>>119678929
>>119678955
>>119679018
Everything was predetermined, the games, the match up, everything. The whole purpose is to bring out the players true colors. If the only way to show one's true colors is to be with a stranger or someone they know (if they die at the same moment, of course) then so be it. It'll making judgement easier.
>>119679081
I think watching Death Parade ep1 then Billiards might help before watching the rest of Parade.
>>119679358
No, things like diabolik lover or ouran host club are not harem. I mean actual polyandry. Not even one.
All I see is a bunch of guys being cockteased by a cunt that can't just say, she wants them all.
>>119679150
>>119679259
I can assume there are some inconsistencies but it is nonetheless canon. How he doesn't say who goes to the void and who goes to reincarnate in Billiards and vice versa in Parade might just be change to leave out any left over questions floating over the course of Parade airing.
>>119679379
Someone post Sinon grenading herself and Kirito.
>>119679410
Best result for "void" is buddhahood, which is a pretty neat payoff for winning a wanky game.
>>119679206
There's an entire realm in the cycle of Samsara dedicated to punishment.
>>119679150
>heaven/hell
We don't know what "heaven and hell" refer to.
It could be buddhahood and samsara or just the God and Hell realm.
>>119679691
Just like every harem out there
>>119679691
So just like every normal harem?
Shounen and shoujo aren't all that different.
Good luck finding one with real multiple lovers. And one with a good ending is just never happening because Japan fucks up everything good.
>>119679479
Man, Death Billiards gave me some deep thoughts to think. Poor guy though, died and didn't see his kid grow up
![[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_02.12_[2015.01.11_18.21.49].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/k3npy2A.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01 [1080p].mkv_snapshot_02.12_[2015.01.11_18.21.49].jpg")
What does this mean?
>>119679468
>>119679458
Considering that literally every aspect of the show is completely contrived and they don't seem to care about the metaphysics making sense, the end result could have been literally anything.
There is no reason other than edge to make it something 'dark' like being stuck in samsara or 'true death'. The winner could have gone to heaven, or a more fun purgatory at least. Or they could explicitly point out that they're stuck in samsara, but they're going up the chain, perhaps.
How are you suppoed to enjoy a show where literally every 30 seconds they introduce a new, completely contrived, completely bullshit fact or occurance, that you have to accept without any thought for the setting and everything that is happening to be reasonable.
>>119679691
Give me a call when you find it then. No, really. Post it, cause there's no such thing.
>>119679865
>>There is no reason other than edge to make it something 'dark' like being stuck in samsara or 'true death'
But true death isn't dark at all, you'd know that if you knew a little bit about buddhism.
Bartender meets Jigoku Shoujo: The anime
>>119679864
Nothing, this show isn't about things. You should only really watch this if you love shit like Saw except (somehow) even more contrived.
>>119679989
Literally all fiction is contrived. You can think of better buzzwords to troll with.
>>119679206
you are fucking retarded. Shinto is literally "please don't smite us" the religion.
>>119680058
If you don't understand what contrivancies are with respect to writing and world building then you shouldn't comment. Your 'all writing is equal' bullshit is just that.
>>119680154
Not all criticism is equal either, and yours is particularly vague and buzzwordy.
>>119679864
>Greek architeture
Maybe from where she came from? Are they all deities from various religions?
>>119680238
Don't reply to such an obvious troll. His shitposts will be deleted eventually.
>>119679864
The small one is so ugly.
Typical for otomobait anime.
>>119680238
>and yours is particularly vague and buzzwordy.
This is a great line coming from the person dimissing criticism with phrases like 'vague' and 'buzzwordy'. I mean really...
Contrived has a pretty solid definition within the context of writing that almost everyone understands and pretending it simply means 'absolutely anything which is deliberately created in any way' in this context is pretty disingeuous.
![[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01 [1080p].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/uGzNPwZ.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01 [1080p].jpg")
>>119679864
>>119680252
We could be on to something.
>>119680517
Is this Buddha or something ?
Watch characters we introduced you to in 10seconds go through horrible shit solely due to utter stupidity and a towering stack of completely unexplained coincidences piled on top of each other just so we can reach the distilled nectar of suffering at the end... all while we're expecting you to care for these randoms you don't know anything about and have not shared any time or growth with.
>>119680775
Could be. I'm looking for the clues of the other 'gods'.
![[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/akh2u7K.jpg "[HorribleSubs] Death Parade - 01.jpg")
>>119680252
Any hot blooded cat god from some religion?
>>119680517
If she is a different god then why is she making up the Buddha there? (Top set of arms).
Because this show doesn't give a shit and is just trying to be cool.
>>119680775
Looks more like one of the Hindu wankers.
>>119681034
His symbolism seems to be very lotus based though, the top part of his hair resembles it
Lotus imagery as well as the numerous arms all point to Buddhism for him
>>119681017
>If she is a different god then why is she making up the Buddha there? (Top set of arms).
They're all friends there, pal
>Because this show doesn't give a shit and is just trying to be cool.
Isn't Kancolle cool enough for you? Leave us alone.
>>119681017
>he's still at it
>>119679864
>>119680252
All i can think really is that she is a type that sings in a Theater Opera and i think she resembles Orpheus
>>119681102
>>119681102
Overly many arms is more of a Hindu thing, though.
>>119681157
There's not too many arms though. The hindu one have like a thousand.
>>119681130
Could very well be. I'm thinking all the staff are gods/daities from differents religions across the world/time.
>>119681157
Hold the phone you might have something here, though Hinduism's Lotus is all but identical to Bhuddism's:
>
In Hinduism, the lotus (Sanskrit: padma) primarily represents beauty and non-attachment. The lotus is rooted in the mud but floats on the water without becoming wet or muddy. This symbolizes how how one should live in the world in order to gain release from rebirth: without attachment to one's surroundings.
>gain release from rebirth
>>119681208
They tend to have anywhere from 6 to 6000.
Besides, Siddhartha, the one who'd make the most sense in this context, is a really bland guy.
Enough with the theories, will there be more suffering and emotioinal breakdowns? This show seems like it might get really Elfen Lied-like, does anyone know from the manga?
>>119681208
>>119681102
Guanyin is a banging chick, not an old man.
>>119681288
>This symbolizes how how one should live in the world in order to gain release from rebirth: without attachment to one's surroundings.
Except both the guy and the girl were fucked up people who lived shitty lives, the girl was released from samsara just because she won. There isn't really anything deep going on here, it's just a gruesome game show, enjoy it for what it is.
>>119681333
b8/10
>>119681333
>does anyone know from the manga
>manga
>>119681308
The guys are on to something in this thread. Though we don't know yet if it's buddhism or hinduism , could be any of them.
ITT: /a/nons who know nothing about religion speculate about the religious symbolism in a for-fun anime.
>>119681554
You're still here? Go away.
>>119681554
>/a/nons who know nothing about religion
That's pretty damn wrong.
>>119681469
Yeah we're definitely onto something. One thing we know for sure. There are definitely hints of religious type thingies in this anime. Great detective work.
>>119681004
Were there cat gods in old egypt?
>>119681554
>/a/nons who know nothing about religion
If you don't know shit about religion then you should consider going back to highschool
>>119681595
Who the fuck are you talking to?
>>119681611
People are literally making up shit about Hinduism in this thread and pretending it's some kind of sage knowledge they've figured out through years of study.
Yeah, buddhism or hinduism, whatever, could be any of them, all the same right?
is this kaneki 10 years from now
>>119681792
Ginko: The Wild Years
Let's ignore him, alright? It's embarrassing to keep replaying to such low level bait.
>>119681766
>Yeah, buddhism or hinduism, whatever, could be any of them, all the same right?
There's people with loads of arms in both, namely Buddha Guanyin in Buddhism and Vishnu in Hinduism.
More things point towards Hinduism, since Guanyin is a chick.
If you think Hinduism of any kind is at all similar to Buddhism of any kind then you're a fucking idiot.
>mfw Decim's VA also voices Naotsugu from Log Horizon
>>119681961
>If you think Hinduism of any kind is at all similar to Buddhism of any kind then you're a fucking idiot.
I dunno.
Buddhism lifted the idea of samsara straight from Hinduism.
All religions in that area have heavily influenced each other, sorta like Christianity incorporated many, many paganistic rituals or how the Romans made the gods of the ones they conquered part of their pantheon.
>>119681946
If you even knew a little bit about Hinduism you'd know that reincation isn't direct and doesn't work anything like Buddhism's samsara. Also Vishnu is almost always only depicted with 4 arms.
Speculating on this kind of thing with what amounts to, at best, a vague knowledge of global religions, is just asking to be ridiculed.
>>119681846
Clearly that is Walter C. Dornez after he was killed in his vampire form and had his soul trapped between Heaven and Hell. Strings prove it.
>one episode aired with a single character
>everyone won't shut the fuck up about what religious connection the other completely undeveloped characters have in a show that's obviously mixing a whole bunch of shit together
There are better things to discuss than trying to see who read a Herman Hesse novel that one time in high school.
>>119681658
I can only find lions. Female ones.
As for the greece thing, reincarnation was popular in greek philosophy, no weird conspiracy there.
>>119682152
I read a Peter Handke novel back in high school.
I don't know why anyone would say anons do not know about religion, athiests learn about multiple religions just to argue with people of faith.Sorry for shit post, I really do like this show so far.
>>119682152
Yeah, we should obviously be discussing whether or not a Machida Yuuki even exists for the 308th time, that sounds productive
>>119682152
>There are better things to discuss
I'm tired of waifu wars and for once I don't want to know what any armpit smells like.
>>119676885
They probably did that so that people didn´t feel lost by not having watched the short.
>>119682249
Atheists are also self-righteous wankers who only learn about religion so they argue with it, instead of actually being interested in the way it shaped the various cultures around the globe.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2015-01-11/death-parade-twitter-account-shares-key-animation-videos/.83141
>>119682399
>Atheists are also self-righteous wankers who only learn about religion so they argue with it
That's not important, the point is that they know.
>>119682399
I think you misunderstand me, anon. I'm not defending them, I was actually going for an insult. My belief has always been that atheists are largely made up of angry children/manchildren who's parents were religious nuts.
>>119676885
Everything was pretty obvious from the get go, so it wasn't that surprising. I mean it was called 'death parade' and every little happening led directly into the next thing is a very obvious way. I'd not seen this other episode thing and the only thing I knew about the show was the title when I started watching it.
That being said, it was recommended to me by a friend whose tastes I know, so I expected it to be pretty suffering/grusome heavy. I think I would have seen everything coming with just the title though. Actually probably even without that, they hold your hand through the first ep pretty tightly.
Question: who is the audience of this show?
Is this like Cowboy Bebop, to sell abroad? Because I don´t see it making much money in Japan.
I loved the first episode, but it still boggles my mind that they made a TV series like this in times like this.
>>119678351
Nice, I'm saving this copypasta.
So green's bang is shapped like a bolt. Any genki thunder god? Did the mayans like pircing?
>>119682709
I dunno, but I love it because it reminds me a lot of the Death series from Discworld.
Mort, specifically.
If 'winning' is getting released from samsara then what do you get from best end? A blow job?
>>119682838
I don't even understand this, I thought the husband was reincarnated, and the wife was soul-destroyed
>>119676885
I was expecting the game to play out entirely differently since I wasn't expecting extreme human desperation due to having seen it in Death Billiards already.
I got desperation again.
The fact the game was darts was a real kicker to me too, I was expecting the you can hit the other person's dartboard thing to come into play in the self sacrifice sort of way, not the haha I can use your darts way.
There was potential for beauty, but it was just human ugliness in the end. I hope that not all of the games end up being like that.
>>119682919
That's probably it.
>>119682921
I hope they just abandon the games and instead go into exploration of their purgatorial world. Otherwise it'd be the same shit every week, with new terrible people playing games connected to organ pain.
>>119682921
It was probably the same because since it's a TV anime, some people may not have seen Death Billiards, so they probably started off with what made the original known.
>>119682919
Wife was released from samsara which is basically the best thing in buddhism. Yet they're clearly both horrible people who lost the game (since the solution was very obviously to not to play via discards, they should be tortured for their stupidity).
So if you actually win what do you get? Get to be a death parader like them? Get a blow job?
>>119682955
>probably
But you don't know for sure. No one does.
>>119683039
What made the short become unique was the mostly unexpected turn in the old man's personality, and then seeing he was thug. It felt like a really good story that should have only been told once, and only worked once by leaving the end open.
>>119683014
Since they have so many side characters, hopefully it will probably be something different.
>>119683014
>new terrible people playing games connected to organ pain.
Sounds fantastic, give me 50 episodes of that.
>>119682709
Once in a while studios do anime that don't are realy targeted to a certain audience. I mean, although they are companies that need money to survive, they still a creative industry, they make shows for fun sometimes. I would say for each 90 commercial shows they make 10 just for creativity reasons
What I want to see:
1.Someone really refusing to take part int the game and its consequences.
(I know they end up hanging like butchered cattle, but they are dead anyways.)
2.Someone staying calm until the very end.
>>119683044
If they guys are right and we get a deconstruction (I hate this word) of religion anime, that's the most likely ends for the souls.
>>119683132
The tripe known as Kaiji already exists.
>>119683163
What I want to see:
1. People not being fucking retarded and actually finding the solution that is staring them directly in the face that every viewer figures out immediately.
>>119683163
>2.Someone staying calm until the very end.
Wasn't the old man calm as fuck in Death Billards?
>>119683136
Also a failed anime is not as big of a financial risk as people think it is.
>>119683041
Where did it say that though? I feel like this is all speculation. At the end of the ED the guy even said something like " The husband will be reincarnated, and the wife will enter the void"
>>119683163
the old man in Death billards was chill
I haven't been this excited/interested in the next episode of an anime in a long time. Feels good.
>>119683225
what solution?
if you mean try to kill the others you are a fucking moron
So tell me whats with the book about?
>>119683282
They used the word for nothingness which is exactly what being released from samsara is. If they have samsara but also have some other void type thing that's different and maybe hell and heaven as well then they're just doing random shit for fun and who cares about anything they say.
>>119683163
I thought the things hanging behind the bar were puppets, didn't they do a cutscene to what they looked like in the ova?
>>119683041
>since the solution was very obviously to not to play via discards
I really don't know where you get that from.
Or why do you think the game has a solution for that matter.
>>119683163
I want to see two people play the game who are completely cooperative. Or a kid playing against an adult. That'd be fucking cool
>>119683339
Maybe I was wrong to say every viewer figured it out immediately... but I didn't realise there were viewers that still don't know the solution even after being directly told it in the episode itself.
the old man in Death Billiards is operator as fuck, he almost rekt the young guy
>>119683404
Don't be too hard on yourself when you realise that what you feel so proud for having figured is completely wrong.
>>119683163
For the first thing, I doubt they actually hang up souls in a freezer, it's just a close analogy. The bartender never directly says that they'll get hung up in a freezer. It seems more like you'll just be stuck in purgatory. Your soul stuck for all eternity.
For the second thing, I'm fairly sure it's probably not all that uncommon since we see it in Death Billiards. It'd probably just be a thing they take into consideration for arbitration.
What I'd be interested in seeing is a person who figures out they're dead before the game even takes place. And then tries to dissect the very nature of the establishment.
That and some combination of accepting purgatory, I wonder if that's how people get their jobs at the Queen Decim.
The black haired girl at the end seemed new to it at the very least.
>>119683381
Even if you're stupid enough to not immediately spot this solution... the butler outright suggests it to them.
If they pull off the trust test and just botch every throw right from the start they automatically tie... since it's obvious from the start that bad things are going to happen if you lose this is the very very obvious solution. It's pretty disappointing if you couldn't get this from the moment you saw it was darts with limited shots and he gave you the rules... but if you still couldn't see it after being told....
>>119683404
It's not like there were anime that you had to read between the lines, right? I mean, that eva-something was a totally blowout.
>>119683275
>>119683285
Ugh, I must rewatch the episode then. I already forgotten the most of it.
But didn't he lose his temper at the end?
>>119683225
I don't see this Queen Decim as a place were you can win anything.
Did you even watch it? Machi was the winner of the game.
These little games are nothing but a mean to draw out the inner conflicts that had them troubled before they died and let the participants have a 2nd chance to solve them before they ultimately cease to exist.
Brah, they are dead, they can't win anything.
>>119683353
I'm just saying that it felt like the girl was the one who got fucked, while the guy continued his existence in another life. Personally, I'd view being taken of of the cycle to be a fate of the worst kind.
>>119683507
Who feels proud, this is basic shit here. Almost every kind of show with games like this (a lot of shows) have solutions exactly like this. Good end is trusting eachother enough to go for the 0pt tie, or to not betray eachother, etc.
>>119683512
>Your soul stuck for all eternity.
That doesn't sound bad compared to the alternative, annihilation.
>>119683565
>But didn't he lose his temper at the end?
He never did, even when he was fighting and after he came back from being dead, and also gave the other guy his elevator spot to give him a second chance at life. Old man had everything he ever wanted.
>>119683598
Thats because you're not a buddhist.
>>119683565
>I don't see this Queen Decim as a place were you can win anything.
>Machi was the winner of the game.
Uh, okay.
>>119683664
Ah, good. Guess this is it for number 2.
>>119683664
No, the old man took the spot the husband did, which was reincarnation. The guy took the white mask, which the operator stated was the void.
>>119683607
But this isn't a show about who wins or loses the game.
The game is just there to provide the right context.
That is the basic shit.
The game and results don't matter and are predetermined from the moment the contestants enter the bar.
Even if you manage to reach a tie, it doesn't mean anything.
>>119683711
This is all assuming it has to do with Buddhism, and isn't some algamation of different pieces of religion.
>>119683711
Well, officially she won the game, but was it even important?
I'd say no. She gained nothing from it.
>>119683780
The game does matter, it's to serve as a tool for judgement, which was brought up by the operator guy at the end of the ED.
>>119683780
>Even if you manage to reach a tie, it doesn't mean anything.
So you're literally saying all the games played are meaningless? That the outcome literally doesn't matter and doesn't say anything about any of the characters? That two people working together to go for a tie so neither of them loses would be just as good/bad as what was put on display in Ep1? That they wouldn't be judged differently based on their trust, love, cooperation, etc?
Am I being fucking trolled here? Is this guy still fucking here?
Man, never thought purgatory is bar and St. Peter as a bartender playing some death games
>>119683711
>Thats because you're not a buddhist.
>>119683598
>Personally, I'd view being taken of of the cycle to be a fate of the worst kind.
That's because you're viewing Buddhism from a secularized western perceptive, despite common belief nirvana isn't annihilationism; Buddhas are immortal and eternal.
To the people talking about winning, clarify your definitions. You're all obviously all on very separate pages.
In the Darts game, there was the possible outcome of a tie. Neither player was smart or savvy enough to immediately realize it however. On average, most people aren't mechanical and cold thinking INTJs who dissect game mechanics and outcomes first thing.
If such an outcome were to happen, then there would be no conflict in the first place. A different decision on where their souls would go would've most likely occurred.
However, not every game can be tied in. Eight Ball is not a game you can draw in. The game keeps going until the eight ball is sunk.
All in all, winning or losing isn't the purpose of these games, merely how the players play in response to hearing their "life" is on the line and the organ shenanigans.
It might even be that the roulette for the games isn't random at all. That the darts game was chosen for the couple for the extra possible outcome of pure cooperation since they were a couple.
We simply know too little right now.
>>119683893
>So you're literally saying all the games played are meaningless?
>That the outcome literally doesn't matter and doesn't say anything about any of the characters?
>That they wouldn't be judged differently based on their trust, love, cooperation, etc?
Welcome to the paradox of free will, which has tormented theologians for as long as the idea of predestination has existed.
What did the old man tell Decim at the end of Death Billiards?
>>119683870
>The game does matter, it's to serve as a tool for judgement
It matter in the way that it makes it easier to judge people when they put their lives on the line.
But the result of the game itself is meaningless.
>>119683893
> That two people working together to go for a tie so neither of them loses would be just as good/bad as what was put on display in Ep1? That they wouldn't be judged differently based on their trust, love, cooperation, etc?
Just because you cooperate/find a loophole to get a tie doesn't mean you'll be judged positively.
And I think that one way or another something is fated to get in the way of any attemps (just like how the husband suddenly became scared and then missed his throw)
Everything is made so that you'll reveal your true self, you can't game the system conciously.
>>119684108
Some games you can tie, but they're so completely simple that I don't see how you could attach some kind of logic to it, like air hockey. The most trickery you could set up in that are own goals.
>>119684165
Nobody knows.
>>119677480
Then it would be Bartender meets Jigoku Shoujo.
why doesn't the girl with the skirt have that cross on her pupils like the other staff do?
>>119684142
>Welcome to the paradox of free will, which has tormented theologians for as long as the idea of predestination has existed.
There's no paradox...
>>119684206
>Just because you cooperate/find a loophole to get a tie doesn't mean you'll be judged positively.
>And I think that one way or another something is fated to get in the way of any attemps (just like how the husband suddenly became scared and then missed his throw)
>Everything is made so that you'll reveal your true self, you can't game the system conciously.
In which case the entire show is pointless and the criticism of contrived writing is spot on. You're literally telling me nothing matters because it'll just be artificial contrived without any explanation.
>>119684367
>In which case the entire show is pointless and the criticism of contrived writing is spot on. You're literally telling me nothing matters because it'll just be artificial contrived without any explanation.
No it is not.
Did you even watch Death Billards? There's a character that does a rant like yours and the bartender answers him.
>>119684294
neither does the old man
>>119684471
How is it not? Anon is literally saying that the actual game doesn't matter, contrivances will happen to get the desired outcome and they'll be judged accordingly. The game is therefore not at all genuine, it's just smoke and mirrors, there is no chance for redemption, only judgement.
You could literally skip the game and have the guy announce the results of their lives and explain why they got the judgement they got. At least that would be more engaging to hear character's life stories rather than a single moment in someone's life with characters we've known for a half episode.
If that's the case then why should anyone watch this show at all? Since it's all about the games and the games don't matter?
>>119684294
1. This is a prequel
2. She's just an attendant
>>119684212
Doesn't have to be complex shenanigans to tie. Trickery is unneeded. Just the will to go for it. The couple in the episode however didn't even consider it. Which makes them a bit stupid, but still.
It is the very act of both players cooperating and playing passively that will create the tie outcome if it is possible. In the air hockey game, both players simply need to wait for time to run out. In a ping pong game though, there would be no such option.
In the case of the darts game, what was really telling was that the bartender actively suggested playing passively after the husband confronted him. Instead of keeping a purely observatory stance. He was actively looking for what they would do in the end.
On the line of thought, there was also a third possible outcome. Self-sacrifice. Well a fourth as well, sudden betrayal. Depends on who goes last. A winning player who has the last dart could throw his dart at the other's board, or a losing player with the last dart could just go for the win right at the end suddenly stealing the game.
Considering how few and vague the rules are I'm pretty sure you could cooperate/tie/both-win almost every game they present no matter the game. If you go into the game assuming the usual standard rules then, one, you're stupid, and two, you're going to end up dying or killing your loved one.
The only real point of the bartender guy pointing out the tie strategy was to explicitly tell it to the viewers. There was literally no reason for him to mention it, and even lots of reasons why he shouldn't (interfering with the test). So to pretend that the tie/cooperation strategies won't be important in this series at all is a bit of a stretch. If it's just supposed to be a bunch of games with human suffering a loss left right and center then they wouldn't hint at this stuff, he just wouldn't have said anything because it would be superfluous.
>>119684631
>How is it not? Anon is literally saying that the actual game doesn't matter, contrivances will happen to get the desired outcome and they'll be judged accordingly.
The players still have the possibility to change the results, they don't have the possibility of doing whatever the fuck and game the system, but they can change the original predetermined result.
THIS IS CLEARLY SPELLED OUT FOR YOU IN DEATH BILLARDS.
The young guy changed fate by knocking out the old man and his rant at the end probably played an important part on how he was judged.
And in Darts Machiko was always meant to win the game (hence the 360° no scope bullseye at the end) but her rant at the end clearly changed the judgment.
>>119684789
There are many games literally impossible to tie in.
Billiards, specifically Eight-Ball, is one of them.
>>119684789
>you're going to end up dying or killing your loved one
This show isn't about people in relationships being judged against one another, the married couple wound up in it together because they died at the same time.
This could be a really good series if they:
1 - Focus on characters who we care about instead of one shot characters introduced in the episode they are 'removed' in.
2 - Explain the metaphysics/contrivances satisfactorially.
3 - Get significantly less predictable in the storytelling from Ep 2 on.
>>119684910
What are the word for word stated rules? You're speaking as though all the normally agreed upon rules are just assumed. Clearly not the case in this show as they made an explicit point to show that rules not explicitly stated don't exist and moves that don't interfere with the explicitly stated rules are legal.
So do they parade on this series or something?
>>119679081
Also Billiards was better because it was lot more of what the characters did, and how they played the game rather than the bickering of episode 1.
>>119685013
>2 - Explain the metaphysics/contrivances satisfactorially.
Eh, I'm hoping they don't go too crazy with the exposition. Stuff like this always falls flat if it doesn't leave at least a little up to the viewer's imagination.
>>119682709
Look at all the males and their character designs.
Consider the theme of the first episode.
It's for women.
>>119685221
It's one thing if they show magic happening because then you can just go 'Well it's magic'. But they show nothing happening, it's not like he is manipulating their memories, it just happens at the perfect time for no reason. That kinda needs to be explained, if only by 'I was doing magic that the camera didn't see'.
>>119685084
Tell me how to tie an eight-ball game.
You are free to rule out as many rules as you like except for the explicit win condition of clearing out your suit of balls and then sinking the 8-ball.
For a game to exist, there must be rules in the first place.
>>119685320
Break the eight ball.
>>119685253
There's more females in the cast, and their chara design is quite appealing to my manhood.
>>119685213
It's kind of weird how much better Death Billiards is at explaining everything when they're almost the exact same length.
>>119677836
Three people died at the same time in this episode...
>>119685351
The ball is then immediately replaced or the person who just broke the game playing equipment is immediately disqualified and loses by default.
>>119685498
That was an explicitly stated rule was it?
>>119685438
Unborn children get shunted into a different afterlife processing system.
>>119685351
You just crushed your own heart and died.
The other player is now free to push your body off the table, continue playing, and then shove the pieces of the 8-ball into a pocket when his suit is done.
>>119678351
but this isnt A/Z
>>119684789
"Play like your life is on the line".
What if tie means death to you both.
Would you take the risk? You don't even know that other dude, and you are sure to win this game, and if he dies, it's not really your fault, right?
>>119685516
>>119685498
If you're just going to assume this wouldn't have worked then we could just assume that purposely tying darts would respawn the darts 'because there can't be a tie or no-game'. Therefore no game can be tied at all just becasue fuck you.
Y'all there discussing symbolism, religion and shit.
And I'm just here, admiring my waifu.
>>119685628
get in line nigga
>>119685577
This was an explicitly stated rule was it?
If not then I guess drawing in darts would have both their darted by thousands of dart-guns, right? Stop making shit up.
Was asked for a method to tie, it's a method to tie.
If you're going to invent unstated rules to eliminate that specific case then you're not really playing fair. There's no reason to suspect breaking the eight ball wouldn't cause a no-contest, just like breaking all the darts or missing or all the darts. If there was such a reason it equally applies to every other game as well, including darts, and anyone could argue if they hypothetically drawed they would be eaten by rates because fuck them.
>>119685351
That wouldn't make the game incompletable.
A broken eight ball can still be played with.
>>119685798
Gotta break it good.
With the explicit wording though, there could be a thousand other solutions.
>>119679833
>>119685628
How fucked up is she.
>>119685318
I'm content to assume that dying has a negative effect on your ability to remember things, and that the conveniently timed flashbacks represent memories being jogged by whatever's happening in the game.
I don't really need to have the precise mechanism exposited, like you lose your memories when your soul crosses the river Lethe to reach the underworld or whatever.
(That being said, the promo material said something about Queen's job involving editing the memories of the deceased, so we may actually get that spelled out at some point.)
>>119685628
Ugly.
>>119685854
No matter how far you break it, there will still be remains.
You must be able to void the 8-ball out of existence if you want the game unwinnable.
Either that or void the table out of existence.
>>119685874
>I'm content to assume that dying has a negative effect on your ability to remember things, and that the conveniently timed flashbacks represent memories being jogged by whatever's happening in the game.
Thats the problem though. If you assume that is what happening then it's just so completely contrived. Every single little memory jog just happened at the exact right time, and forgetting in the first place worked against them completely. Add in the tussle somehow managing to exactly throw it on the heart, and the random pain managing to throw it on the double eye... and 'Well it COULD happen" just isn't enough anymore. I need some fucking magic at least.
>>119685628
No problem, pal, she's a great waifu.They used to have some hardcore orgies back in old greece though
>>119685910
Even if there are remains how do you play with it? Either it's a no game and thus a draw/tie. Or there is some method of exploiting the way of playing with the remains to get a draw/tie (either destroying them in a way that the rules can't decide what to play with, or destroying it in a way that both players can pot the eight ball).
All of this, however, requires extra unstated rules be introduced.
>>119686081
Take your pool cue, break it in half, use it to sweep the 8 ball remains into a pocket.
Alternatively, ask the Barkeep to fix it or provide a replacement.
There's no reason to think breaking the 8-ball would end the game immediately then and there.
Ultimately, all arbitration would be decided by the bartender.
>>119686081
It's not about winning or losing the game, it's about how you play and I'd say that trying to break the 8-ball would tell something about you as a person.
>>119685791
That's not a method for producing a tie, it's a method for creating a situation the rules don't cover.
The usual procedure for dealing with that is to appeal to a referee or arbiter (in this case, Decim) for a spot ruling. In the case of the destroyed 8-ball, he might declare a tie, but he's at least as likely to produce a new 8-ball and call for play to continue.
And even if my solution is bullshit there are surely many others. If you're read umineko or watched any of the mindgame bullshit or NGNL or any of that you'll notice that writers have a way of thinking of special ways of getting out of stuff that you'd never think of. The idea that "OH it's billiards so they're definitely fucked" is just exactly what they want you to think for when some genius asshole character comes in and solves it with ease.
>>119685980
>I need some fucking magic at least.
The story explicitly takes place in the afterlife. Everything is ALREADY pure fucking magic.
>>119683014
> exploration of their purgatorial world
That doesn't make any sense. You should drop it, this series isn't clearly your cup of tea.
Anyway, the first game wasn't connected to organ pain.
>>119686252
All this prior discussion is moot since a very important point was missed in the first place.
There can only be a tie if there is an explicit rule that defines a tie.
>>119686337
It isn't presented as being done on purpose though it's presented as being random fucking coincidence fucking them over.
If everything is symbolism what does DDR represent?
I'm glad that the next episode looks like it won't be a repeat of the first and the special. It's a good formula for a bit, but it seems like it would get a little tiring if I had to watch a whole cour of it.
>>119686341
>Anyway, the first game wasn't connected to organ pain.
It kind of was, although it was unclear if anything really happened when the balls were pocketed, or the young man was just freaking out and imagining things.
>>119686402
I think anon is laboring under the assumption that achieving a game state that's not covered by the rules must result in the game ending in an indeterminate result (which he further assumes is equivalent to a tie).
As you point out, this is generally not the case unless there's a rule which says, "If something happens to fuck up the game, it's a tie." The more customary result is, "If something happens to fuck up the game, it's a rematch" or "If something happens to fuck up the game, the ref decides how to proceed."
>>119686602
Dancing.
>>119686633
The young man was stabbed, that's why his tummy hurt and eyes blurred.
>>119683185
>Kaiji
>tripe
I hope you're kidding /a/non
