>average japanese consumer base
social game? what's that?
That's the western market by large as well.
You can go here to complain about it:
>>>/v/
>>118618793
Such is the life of the master race in Japan?
>>118618839
An orgy.
>>118618873
They actually get it better than us, they still get boxed releases. For us everyone including indy shit does everything digital only.
You can leave it to Yuichi Nakamura for the great speeches.
>average white dude otaku
>>118619262
>Revealing your powerlevel
Normalfags
>>118619068
why would you want a box?
I like playing games, not collecting boxes.
>>118619365
You would understand if you were older than twelve.
>>118619365
Because you have actual ownership that way, you humongous retard. If you're just gonna download the game you may as well not pay for it.
I want to be able to use my games in 10 years from now on without asking for a stupid permission over the internet.
>>118619451
I'm probably older than you.
Not everyone is a retarded junk collector.
>>118619262
doesnt he live in germany
why hasn't he been caught yet? its not illegal to have drawn pedophilia aka lolicons but he can still get shit for it aka spend time in prison and pay many fines
>>118619458
The presence or absence of a box with a disc in it has absolutely nothing to do with DRM you humongous fucking mongoloid.
>>118618870
PC games outsold console games this year. Get with the times Grandpa.
>>118619458
>Because you have actual ownership that way,
No you don't.
>>118619262
>>118619511
Please keep that retard out of /a/.
>>118618793
This was probably one of the best episodes in the show, if even only to hear Nakamura talk that long.
>>118619458
this is a non-issue for 99.9% of the population
>>118619458
>implying I don't have my 3tb steam library backed up on SSDs
>implying I don't be the one with all the marbles when the internet dies
>>118619534
Online DRM are only recent, the reason they exist in the first place is because of accepting faggots like you. You fucking idiots ruined video games.
Well, at least I get to spend less money that way.
>>118619568
Unless there is some sort of online DRM, yes you DO.
>b-but muh copyrights
You let yourself get fooled by jewish semantics like the idiot you are. Not owning the trademarks and characters names and whatever doesn't make you copy of the game magically non-existent.
You cant install steam backups without an internet colection.
>>118619689
The only ownership you have is over the disk, not its contents. You have a limited right to use those contents.
You do not own the game.
>>118619775
Are you retarded or something? It's like exactly what I'm saying. It doesn't even remotely mean that you can't use it whenever wherever you want. That's what ONLINE DRM are here for. Online DRM is the cancer that killed ownership.
I don't care if I don't "own" Mario if I can PLAY Mario.
>>118619568
go to your police station and say you have lolicon, let me know how everyone around who you classify as "retards" treat you afterwards dear autist
>>118619876
>It doesn't even remotely mean that you can't use it whenever wherever you want.
It means that for example if you want to use a crack to get rid of disk-swapping you effectively lose the right to play the game.
Sure, nobody's going to notice. But if we are going to be illegal we may just as well pirate the game and skip the CD.
>I don't care if I don't "own" Mario
Then stop arguing over ownership.
>>118619879
What are you trying to say?
I want you to stop posting images of that attention whore. That's all.
>also, being a lolicon is not inherently illegal. Only acting on those urges can be.
>>118619952
You're one massive retard for trying to argue over semantics like that.
You have a disk with a game on it, you use it to play and it just works. You can even sell it, and whoever uses it after buying it from you have it working as well, that's ownership, and no amount of that shitty nitpicking of yours will change that.
/v/------>
>>118620033
i didn't post any pictures you fucking paranoid autist
go to your police station and tell them you have masturbated to lolicon and you intend to do it
let me know if they give you 5+ years in prison
>>118619879
>you have lolicon
hahaha oh wow
>>118620055
>that's ownership
Over the CD, yes.
>You have a disk with a game on it, you use it to play and it just works.
Or you have an account with a game registered. You use it to play the game and it just works.
All you are missing is the right to sell the game.
>>118618793
How disgusting.
>bullying people for playing PC games
Is it just me or every east asian country is shit in it's own way?
lolicon is banned in Sweden
what do?
Japanese actually PAY to go to Monster Hunter meetups and play LOCAL multiplayer with each other. There are strict rules against exchanging friend information with one another at these meets and playing with them online. You will get kicked out and blacklisted if they find you doing this.
Wanna play local multiplayer on Monster Hunter without one of these meets? Good luck, nobody will fucking play multiplayer outside of these public social meetups, even if you're just on the train or something and start up a multiplayer room. If you see someone with a multiplayer room open on the train and try joining, chances are you'll get kicked because they're playing with a friend they actually know and not you.
Pokemon is kind of an exception to this rule, for whatever reason. People battle and trade with randoms all the fucking time, and you'll get streetpasses like fucking wildstorm over there.
>>118620086
What are you on about?
Seriously? What brought this up?
Are you retarded?
>>118620192
>Or you have an account with a game registered. You use it to play the game and it just works.
Till they decide that you don't have the right anymore.
>>118620086
>masturbated to lolicon
Masturbating to grown men isn't illegal, you dumbass.
>>118620216
No it isn't.
Look up the words you use.
>>118620192
>Or you have an account with a game registered
That's online DRM. For that you need an internet connection. So you're not just missing the right to resell, but.. here it comes: ownership. Since you see, you have to ask for permission just for installing, if not even just playing as well.
Try to follow just a little.
>>118620286
lolicon falls under child porn here just like in australia, new zealand and other numerous countries that specifically banned "lolicon"
look up the fucking facts before you quote me, i got a feeling people like you act retarded to get spoonfeed on a daily basis
>>118620259
Or your CD breaks or isn't supported any more by current hardware or operating systems.
>>118620297
>here it comes: ownership
You are repeating yourself and you are missing the point.
CDs don't come with ownership over the content.
>>118619458
>hording disks
>not saving .isos to an external hard drive
I think I'm going to literally vomit.
>>118620338
Reread this line:
>Look up the words you use.
Lolicon doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>118620353
>You are repeating yourself and you are missing the point.
Stopped reading right there. I don't really have the ability to deal with hypocrites.
>>118620405
please put on a tripcode so i can filter you altogether and never take it off
>>118620338
>lolicon falls under child porn here just like in australia, new zealand and other numerous countries that specifically banned "lolicon"
What a retard.
>>118619451
flan, no. No, really. No one likes boxes
>>118620422
Nice escape.
>>118620442
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=lolicon+definition
>>118620422
Hes right. At no point do you ever own the contents of the game. The data is never yours. You're buying the right to use the data. The fact that you do so through a disc transfer is a semantic.
No one cares since I can just pirate it anyway and do whatever the hell I want but you are factually incorrect.
>>118618793
im gonna need sauce for that
>>118620564
The time you have spent formulating this post could have been spent on image searching OP's pic and find the source.
>>118620564
Found it using reverse image search.
Apply yourself.
>>118620617
>>118620646
The time you have spent formulating this post could have been spent on telling me what is OP's pic.
>>118620523
Says the guy who just repeated himself like three times with bullshit like you don't own "mario means you don't own the game because you can't sell it saying you own mario le xD"
>>118620561
>Hes right. At no point do you ever own the contents of the game. The data is never yours
That was never denied. What is said is that as long as you can't use it without physical restrictions (like a required internet connection), you own the the damn thing, because you can do what the hell you want with it, including it's main function which is playing it. You can sell it to someone else and he'll have just the same abilities. That's ownership. The ownership over the data has absolutely no relevance in that equation since the only time it would matter was if you were to copy the data for use in your personal commercial project.
>>118620693
I don't care if you find the source though.
I want you to not try this again.
>>118620693
I derive great sexual pleasure from not giving you an answer, but you gain nothing.
>>118620711
>>At no point do you ever own the contents
>That was never denied
>you own the the damn thing,
Where are you going with this?
This is why casuals are scum.
>>118619451
Not him, but you are clearly a manchild if you think boxed releases are a good thing. They prove nothing and are essentially a waste of space. They are obsolete, the only reason japs still get them is because their culture has problems keeping up with the technology, refusing to let go of the past. Just look at how fax machine is still used there.
>>118620760
No seriously, you should stop this shit.
Here are facts for mister I can't get over my very own semantics.
1. I have cd
2. I use cd to play
no hindrance so far. I own the game (hurr durr you don't own mario because u not nintendo).
3. I sell the game
4. I can't play the game, I transferred ownership alonside the cd.
5. can't play the game because I don't own it anymore.
Find a rebuttal to that, faggot.
op here
what the fuck happened to the thread
Do you not realize restrictions can be placed on a disc just like they can be placed on any piece of data transferred over the internet.
How old are you? Do you not know what serial keys are? Do you think DRM was invented in the last decade?
>>118620881
Are you actually shitting on fax machines? Let's see you come up with a more effective way to transfer physical documents over great distances.
>>118620911
It turned into /v/ is what happened.
>>118621018
Those are timeless. They don't require an internet connection at any moment.
I'll take the days old serials anytime over that digital trash.
>>118620896
Take for contrast this.
1. I have CD
2. I use CD to play
3. I lose CD
4. I continue playing the game because my right to play is still being acknowledged
5. I wipe my hard drive
6. No problem, just download legally and continue playing
Seems to me that I have more ownership over the actual game than you. You have the right to sell it (and you wouldn't if they had been able to think of a way to stop you sooner), but I can actually play the game independently of the CD.
Regardless, neither of these two instances are actual, legal ownership.
For all practical purposes, having it registered online is better because it's unlikely that giants like steam will stop working before your CD does, unless you put your CD into a safe because you don't actually want to play the game.
In which case, why bother?
>>118621131
>turned into /v/
It was /v/ from the OP.
>>118621155
You haven't made an argument as to how thats superior to digital DRM in any way. Its all the same thing predicated on the same absolute legal truths. You're just getting worked up because "muh box".
>>118621159
>5. I wipe my hard drive
>6. No problem, just download legally and continue playing
>Seems to me that I have more ownership over the actual game than you.
>For all practical purposes, having it registered online is better because it's unlikely that giants like steam will stop working before your CD does
I almost spit my drink.
>2014
>mobile games
>mfw I have no face
People actually use Steaming pile of shit? lold
>>118621249
Well, I don't need an internet connection. I don't need to go ask for the permission to use it to anyone at anytime. But you're free to deny this. You're the one servile idiot here, I just warned you.
>buying games in any form
It's less of a hassle to pirate and it's free.
The only time I have to deal with Steam is when people buy me games as gifts (I have maybe like 5-10 games on Steam)
>>118621344
Actually I just pirate it and store it on an external because i'm better than you at something I apparently care far less about. I don't even have to pay the initial price for the thing.
Honestly, buyfags getting upset and throwing hissy fits about the hoops you have to jump through are hilarious.
DRM has always been restrictive and has always been present. You just want some hideous box with shitty screenshots on the back with quotes from some playtesters with some stupid code you have to enter for some reason thats beyond me.
>>118621344
Instead you rely on your little heap of required passwords and aging CDs.
You have an internet connection anyway.
>I don't need to go ask for the permission
Semantics. Entering a 30 digit password on your computer is barely different from logging in on steam, other than requiring an internet connection.
>>118621253
CD don't last forever
>>118620564
>>118620693
the source is log horizon
>>118621527
Having an internet connection isn't something stable. And it's not just on the connection you're relying? You're also relying on the host's health and will.
>>118621647
Because your publisher overlords sure do.
>>118621679
>You're also relying on the host's health and will.
We've been over this. You ignored it.
>it's unlikely that giants like steam will stop working before your CD does, unless you put your CD into a safe because you don't actually want to play the game.
>In which case, why bother?
>>118621656
thanks m8, fuck the other two autist.
>>118621679
>Having an internet connection isn't something stable.
Shit like what Diablo 3 and SimVille are pushing is beyond the boundary of the acceptable, I will grant you that.
But you will have little difficulty downloading a game.
>>118621647
Nothing lasts forever.
All things are impermanent.
>>118621726
>We've been over this.
>steam will never die!
Yeah, we totally went over that concern. Publishers never die, digital games bought on PS3 won't have to be bought again when the PS5 will be out, etc. Absolutely no problem here.
>>118622172
>>steam will never die!
Nice strawman. I never said that.
A little more than a decade ago, I bought Baldur's Gate 1. Then I bought it again, because one particular disk broke. And yet again, because this stupid disk was way overused for the game. (disk 3, I believe?)
In total, I have purchased some 4 versions of BG1 over the course of just 2 years. Two of which illegally, admittedly, so maybe those sets was simply more prone to failure.
How old is Steam now?
>>118622401
11 years. Of shitting over PC gaming. Valve single-handedly enabled online DRM and DLC abuses on PC. before half life 2 it was marginal at best, but valve had to take counter strike hostage to build itself an armour of cocksuckers.
Where were you when it all started?
>>118622533
>11 years.
So it survived a lot of CDs.
>Where were you when it all started?
Playing the BG trilogy.
>>118622584
>So it survived a lot of CDs.
Not mine. Don't hold your CDs responsible for you rubbing sand over them.
>>118622686
We'll have this conversation again in a few years when either your CDs are fucked or steam is dead. I've memorized the name you're posting with so I'll know who to laugh at.
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