>Sasaki Kojiro
>some inconsistencies in his story
>therefore, not real
>King Arthur
>can't even be placed on a single century due to anachronisms in his legends
>totally real, was also a little girl
Makes perfect sense.
Nasu is bigger fan of western mythology and history than eastern mythology and history. Why does this surprise you?
Fate will be so much better if saber was graham chapman
Being able to cut a swallow with a sword is impressive in real life, but trying to hype it up in the Nasuverse where every other object in motion is breaking the speed of sound it isn't very impressive.
Nasu apparently read a bunch of stuff about him probably not being real, so he added that into the story.
>>118127627
Well, it's just a matter that Arthur existed in Fate's universe while Kojiro apparently didn't. The legends being remembered and consistent or not doesn't matter. Of course, it's completely arbitrary.
>>118127627
>Monty Python reference
Dont take a chunni eroge that serious.
Why does kojiro kills swallows?
What did that poor birds do?
He said he have been killing them for decade, then he must have killed like a million of em
´He probably wasn't real and most likely made up to hype overrated musashi.
>>118127627
The Fuyuki Grail can't summon oriental Heroic Spirits because it's based on occidental knowledge (european magi).
>>118128073
I just started the UBW anime and am unfamiliar with the series. Is Saber being King Arthur the most chuuni thing about Fate or does it get worse?
>>118128821
I don't understand how that's chuuni, more like just dumb.
>>118128821
Shirou is the white man.
>>118128946
How is "this hot girl who I summoned as a servant and totally bang is also a mythical king from a foreign country" not chuuni?
That's literally the definition of chuunishit.
>>118128821
>Is Saber being King Arthur the most chuuni thing about Fate
You find that specifically chuuni, but not summoning legendary heroes altogether?
>>118128073
Fate isn't chuuni at all
>>118128756
I still call bullshit on this- it makes no sense to only be able to contact that part of the Throne.
>>118129004
I disagree
>>118129129
It's painfully chuuni.
It makes people think how could it would be to trace swords from thin air and play pretend.
>>118129004
Chuuni doesn't mean things you don't like
>>118129004
Chuunishit is a meme that doesnt actually mean anything
You assume that this information is about what is factual within the real world, not the world that Nasu constructed.
In the Nasuverse, Saber was summoned because the Holy Grail contacts the Throne of Heroes, inconsistency is impossible because the legend doesn't matter in a certain sense.
Caster's unusual summoning basically just empowered a ghost to Servant levels. The actual ghost receives the memories of the real Sasaki, but they aren't his because the guy himself isn't Sasaki.
>>118129129
Is this nigger serious?
If Saber got summoned in todays britain, would she be weakened instead?
Keep in mind that is full of muslims with different set of beliefs and all brits are cucks ashamed of their heritage.
>>118129004
Chuuni refers to the phenomena of a certain time period ion a child's life where they want to establish something special and unique about themselves, but being a child and lacking anything unique, turn to obnoxious behaviors or retreat into fantasy.
This behavior is for some reason exceptionally prevalent in japan, thus the term "chuuni."
>>118129004
That's no where near the definition of chuunishit. You might as well say every porno ever is chuuni if you're going to say that of all things is chuuni.
>>118129273
>Pathetic Celts
>Implying they are human
>Inbred Saxon faggots
>>118129129
>this anon
Fate have magic, mages, heroes, mytologhic names and weapons, swords, bows, especial attacks, samurais, harem, kamen raider, etc..
>>118129273
Sup /pol/
Get out
>>118129321
It's not about the sex part.
It's about the fact that the author created this character who is SUPER SPESHUL AND CAN USE MAGIC and is also THE LEGENDARY KING ARTHUR
>>118129273
>Saber face when
>"I died for this"
>>118129361
Dont make fun of them, they lost their mother land.
>>118129356
Not to mention out all of the people in the world fucking Japanese teenagers are supposed to be the masters of these thousand year old mythological heroes. That's what it makes it the most chuu2.
>>118129273
Yeah.
But could be worse. What about Swedish legends in Sweden?
>>118129425
That's all the more reason to make fun of them.
>>118129273
If she disapproved just because of their heritage, wouldn't that make her a racist?
>>118129401
Well, imagine Charles Martel.
>>118129425
So they're literally Jews now?
>>118129393
The crux of that definition is that they're NOT. She's not some girl pretending to do these thing's, she's actually seriously someone who was a magic king and all the baggage that entails.
>>118129273
>Keep in mind that is full of muslims with different set of beliefs and all brits are cucks ashamed of their heritage.
You're mistaking Britain for Germany
Or just London for Britain
>>118128756
Still makes no sense. Why do European magi have zero knowledge of even the most famous Eastern heroes, but know about ones like Angra Mainyu, or Rashid ad-Din? Also if the Grail's summoning ability is based on the knowledge of European magi, how can it summon someone like Emiya - who doesn't even exist yet and never took credit or was recognized for any of the deeds he did in life?
It sounds more like Nasu is pulling arbitrary rules out of his ass, because he realizes the nature of location bonus means Eastern heroes are obviously too OP in Japan.
>>118129527
>A ruler from just post roman Britain
>racist
You don't say. Though it wouldn't be in quite the same way as a modern racist.
>>118129393
Shirou is trash though. He has as many magic circuits as an average human and they're of really low quality. The only reason he has any abilities is because of Avalon changing him into swords. And all of the servants are magic bullshit by definition, it equals out by all of them having broken skills.
>>118127996
Considering that sasaki was a normal shitty human with no powers whatsoever, yes its impressive
>>118128073
>>118129198
>>118129356
>>118129231
Not him, but you don't know what that word means.
>>118129393
>It's not about the sex part
Then why would you specifically mention the sex aspect of it in regards to the work being chuuni?
>>118129625
Isn't Germany relatively closed compared to France or Britain?
>>118129576
>named attacks
> secret weapons
>magic
>muh ideals.
FSN is chuuni-enabling VN.
It's the kind of thing a kid will watch and play pretend with.
>>118127627
That always bothered me, like fuck, why do people even like this game anyway?
And why not take it to /jp/, why oh god why?
Assassin is real.
Sasaki Kojirou is not real.
>>118129748
There is a chance that Sasaki Kojiro existed.
But he was most likely not the most famous swordsman in Japan.
Musashi never faced the toughest ones.
>>118129731
Your definition qualifies an enormous number of things as chuunishit, including something like Fist of the North Star.
>>118129650
>He has as many magic circuits as an average human
Wrong, average humans don't have magic circuits. Even just counting magi, you're still wrong: Shirou has 27 circuits, and Nasu said average magi have around 20. You're right about them being poor quality though - they can only carry about 1/10th of the mana Rin's can.
Shirou is basically a lot like Kerry in that he can never really aspire to be anything beyond an average magus when it comes to traditional magic, but he has an absurdly strong specialty that he could become a very deadly opponent.
>>118129748
Assassin is a geist that received the possible potential memories that would constitute the Spirit of Sasaki Kojirou, including the fact that he factually did not exist in the Nasuverse.
So yes.
ITT: delusional fatefags try to convince themselves their series isn't chuuni
>>118129563
>now
>>118129731
hue, here's another person who mislearnt the meaning of the word "chuuni" from watching that one show a while ago about the girl wtiht he eyepatch.
By your warped definition, everything that strays even slightly from normality is chuuni.
>>118129730
It's exactly the opposite.
Germany has had 8 muslim children born per 1 German child in 2010 I think.
If German nationalism won't have an insurrection (and it won't soon because a bloo bloo we were nazis so bad so sorry ;_;) you can expect muslim uprisings and caliphates by 2030.
>>118129004
Is your next post going to be about how you were just pretending to be retarded?
>>118129886
>from watching that one show a while ago about the girl wtiht he eyepatch.
Another?
>>118129812
And nobody here says it isn't.
JOJO is also chunnishit.
>>118129636
The guy he quoted is retarded.
It can't summon Eastern Servants because the Holy Grail is a Western concept. Though that's just a bullshit excuse Nasu gave so Uro wouldn't use some OP nip/chink/who gives a shit Servant.
>>118129902
You eurofags are hilarious. Your Islamophobia is so strong you make us Americlaps look like saints, and we just released a 500 page report about how we raped and tortued Muslims for over a decade. Bravo.
>>118129988
Then your definition of chuunishit has lost it's credibility of being bad-defining, because things that are good and also easily qualify as chuunishit.
What about being chuunishit makes a thing bad, under your definition of chuuunishit?
>>118130004
Who would be the Eastern Servants?
>>118129902
That would be impressive, as Muslims make up only about 4% of the German population. It's what Hitler would have wanted though, he thought Islam was a strong religion that suited the Aryan race.
>>118129978
You did that on purpose.
>>118127996
>Being able to cut a swallow with a sword is impressive in real life
He breaks laws of physics. His Tsubame Gaeshi is a fragment of the Second Magic, even though it's not even magecraft. It's not "impressive". It's levels higher.
>>118128184
>He said he have been killing them for decade, then he must have killed like a million of em
He can only kill them after mastering the technique which took a decade you baka
>>118127627
Didn't Miyamoto Musashi totally kicked Kojiro's ass?
>>118129902
[citation needed]
>>118129731
It's an 18+ eroge targeted at adults. Even when you take the sex scenes out its audience is still mostly adults.
Cause when you actually sit down and read it you realize that the bulk of the novel is actually very slowly paced SoL scenes laced with foreshadowing and building anticipation. UBW, the most action packed route, has maybe 10 major action scenes, compared to the dozens of cooking, talking, and school scenes used for fleshing out characters, background, and foreshadowing.
Basically any kid who sits down to read F/SN looking for action (or sex) is going to get bored halfway through the prologue once they realize how long the story is and how much exposition it entails.
>>118130113
chuunishit isn't inherently bad.
>>118130084
You have no idea what the Euros are facing. America was always heterogeneous.
Europe, on the other hand used to be homogeneous. It is much harder having a great country in a heterogeneous society.
>>118130186
>Spend ten years trying to kill a swallow
It would have been easier if he knew their air speed velocity.
>>118129852
Fuck vanilla Shirou, CG Shirou is where it's at. Prana supplies the size of the Holy Grail and UBW with a basically infinite source of fuel. He could rain A rank NPs and have them break on impact
>>118129748
I thought it was the other way around
>>118130205
Congrats, you've successfully turned "chuunishit" into a meaningless buzzword whose connotations are random and arbitrary.
>>118130205
Okay then, it seems we can both agree that under your definition of chuunishit FS/N both qualifies and isn't necessarily bad by any means.
Are we in agreement?
>>118130323
>you've successfully turned "chuunishit" into a meaningless buzzword
It always was though
>>118130325
Seriously, no one gives a shit.
>>118129886
The tone is what sets chuuni apart from stuff like battle shounen. FSN has a more dark atmosphere and takes itself very seriously within the actual narrative. Not to mention all the power ups and shit. Chuuni takes on similar qualities from shounen, except aimed towards older teens and adults, hence the darker and more serious tone. A lot of the time it comes off as ridiculous, with shit like 11eyes being one of the most extreme cases of poorly written chuuni.
>>118130323
Gundam is my favorite chuuni work. I am the gundam!
>>118130202
It's an 18+ eroge targeted at adults with a childlike mentality. Everything about it screams childishness. The setting, the characters, the plot.
Everything.
>>118129988
You don't know what chuuni is.
If you're saying children will imitate it, then maybe they would, were it not a japanese porn game.
>>118130205
>chuunishit
Jesus christ, stop
>>118129731
So LOTR is chuuni also?
>>118129273
Anglo-Saxons are literally her enemies. Bongistan would be fucking glassed.
>ctrl+f 'chuuni'
>35, now 36
>>118130421
No, because it's not urban fantasy harem shit.
>>118130421
>Implying it wasn't
>>118130192
No one knows for sure what happened or if they even fought.
>>118130171
Why did he need to break the laws of physics to cut a swallow? Surely it's not THAT hard. I mean when I was a kid my grandmother would tell us that if we salted the tailfeathers of a bird it would become our pet to keep us occupied, and after a couple months it gets a lot easier to follow their movement, even if you can never actually catch them. So it seems possible at least.
>>118130378
>>118130355
>It always was though
>sets chuuni apart
You don't know what it is, but you keep using that word.
My god, it's like I'm watching cancer develop in slow motion. The board's going to be flooded with retards spouting "it's chuuni shit, lol", as the holidays begin in earnest and all the kids come here.
>>118130378
Wow I have never seen anybody talk this much out of their ass before. I can't even begin to count up all the things you just blatantly make up on the spot or just talk about like it's an established fact.
Like how you casually try to assert the existence of definite "chuuni traits" and a "chuuni genre" based on tone, even though this is all BS made up by you.
Basically what you're doing here is trying to universalize your own opinion about what is "chuuni" is by using works that you've already claimed to be chuuni to prove your definition.
Your entire argument is circular.
>>118130363
Evidently two people give a shit, ergo you are wrong.
Please stop acting irrationally over an internet imageboard dedicated to the discussion of anime.
>>118130157
Is that a sword for ants?
>>118129721
It's Chuuni. Problem is that Japan calls pretty much everything with an unrealistic setting "chuuni" nowadays. They are much worse than we are with their buzzwords.
>>118130502
>The board's going to be flooded with retards spouting "it's chuuni shit, lol"
How are you posting from the past?
>>118130443
>lore
>hidden weapons
>muh ideals
LotR is chuunishit or at the very least chuuni-enabling. We already established that any amount of fantastical elements makes for chuuni.
>>118130378
According to this OP/Naruto/HxH are battle shounen, meanwhile bleach is chuuni.
>>118130502
Just sit, relax and enjoy the ride
>>118130415
Realta nua and the anime are all-age versions of the VN.
I'd be surprised if ufotable actually goes and makes HF with h-scenes.
>>118129731
It isn't chuuni, then - you're saying it will have an effect on a child's development. A lot of things do that, and in this case, there's a handy adults only tab on the cover to stop that from happening.
>>118130585
Nobody abuses that word to the extent that that guy does.
>>118130560
Tell enlighten me what chuuni is and I'll tell you why you're wrong.
>>118130498
It's said that it's impossible to cut swallows in mid-flight. And was based on that that he had to develop a skill to make three cuts at the same time.
Fate /Stay night is actually a deconstruction of chuuni.
It takes a wannabe segi no mikata and puts him throught the hardship of actually being one.
>>118130406
>childlike mentality
Yet very few children actually like F/SN. If it appeals to a "childlike" mindset then why aren't there more children reading the all ages version of it? There are kids who do, but they're outnumbered by adults. Are you seeing how this doesn't follow? How it makes no sense to say it's targeted to people with a childish mindset when actual children for the most part do not like it?
What you're doing here is basically using "childish" as a buzzword to slander something you don't like without actually thinking about what the word actually means.
I suggest you find better words to describe your opinions instead of ones that make you look like a fool.
>>118130692
>sperging this hard about someone using a buzzword in a way he doesn't like
You're much worse than he is.
>>118130567
It's an archer thumb!
>>118130756
>/a/ is one person.
>>118130747
Manchildren arent adults.
are we getting raided by plebbit? I thought everyone knew games like fate and dies irae were maximum chuuni.
>>118130855
Just like how everyone knows shounen is a genre right?
>>118130700
For starters chuunibyou is used to describe behavior in people, their mannerisms or taste or sensibilities, it's not a genre of entertainment. A person can be chuuni, an anime can't.
Next, you're trying to make it sound like there are universal qualities all chuunibyou possess, so that you can claim certain shows or games or novels are inherently chuuni, but this is not the case. Chuunibyou is widely applied to any kind of adolescent pretensions or delusions. A kid who tries very hard to act like a "mature adult" by only drinking black coffee, reading high brow philosophical texts in public, dressing in an exaggeratedly proper fashion, and opining on politics and moral issues while frowning on "low brow" entertainments is also a chuuni just as much as a sperg who thinks he's the chosen one and has a 50000000 year old demon imprisoned in his left nut or whatever.
Last, just because many chuunis do like a thing doesn't make the thing bad or "inherently chuuni," because chuunibyou is about the person's attitudes and behaviors, how they approach things.
>>118130804
Gonna have to explain to me how you reasoned out F/SN's fans being manchildren, cause from here it looks like plain old circular logic BS.
Basically you define the fans of F/SN as manchildren because they read F/SN and then try to say F/SN is intended for manchildren because that's who reads it.
Never mind the fact that you're just operating on a typically biased no true scotsman version of "adulthood".
>>118131049
>chuuni people exist
>it totally doesn't make sense to refer to anime who appeals to such people as "chuuni anime"
>>118131183
Stop falling for such bait.
>>118131219
I'm just gonna link back to the post you quoted so you can read it this time, since I don't want to retype everything I just said. >>118131183
There, hope you actually get something out of it on your second read through.
By the way, how is it possible Saber and Diarmuid both recognize each other? Surely one must have lived before the other.
>>118131285
Whoops mean that for >>118131049
>>118131219
K-On is chuuni. It makes me dream of being in a light music club playing awesome music about how fun fun things are.
>>118131219
Alcoholics exist.
It totally doesn't make sense to refer to anime watched by such people as "alcoholic anime."
>>118131219
You completely missed the point of everything in that post. You have to be a troll.
>>118131285
>I'm just gonna link back to the post you quoted
>links to a different post
Is this some abstract postmodern kind of trolling?
Prove king author WASN'T a little girl!
>>118131405
If he was a little girl, how could he berry his dick?
If he could not berry his dick, how could one berry one's dick like king arthur? How would that even be an expression?
>>118131365
If it's made specifically to appeal to alcoholics, then yes, it would make sense. Are you gonna object to the term "children's anime" now, because children are not a genre?
>>118131490
>children are not a genre?
No, they're a demographic, and yes, they exist.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_anime_and_manga
You're move.
>>118131490
But things chuunis do aren't "made specifically to appeal to chuunis," because as we have already discussed anything could appeal to a chuuni depending on his worldview.
>>118131312
They magically gain that knowledge once summoned by the grail.
>>118131525
Alcoholics can be a demographic too.
>>118131490
Again, read >>118131049
And realize your attempts to create a "chuuni genre" are inherently BS. There are many chuunis who actively despise anime and manga as part of their chuunibyou. They consider it "beneath them" along with other forms of "plebeian" entertainment (TV, mainstream movies, mainstream fiction novels etc).
So tell me again how there are anime made specifically to "target" this varied group of people whose interests and tastes commonly are at polar opposites to each other?
>>118130498
Swallows and wolves are mean motherfuckers in Nasuverse. Remember when Zerker was mauled by wolves? A++-ranked strength.
>>118130192
He bashed his head in with an oar after he distracted him by making him super mad with his swagger
>>118131490
Did you even read >>118131049
What makes an anime chuuni? Why would X, Y, and Z be an example of chuuni anime, but not A, B, and C?
When did being chuuni become a bad thing?
>>118130192
Sasaki Kojiro is the #1 jobber in all of japan.
He was literally only there to make musashi look good.
>>118131754
It's a strain of "Mature anime for mature people such as myself" mentality that bashes chuunibyou. Basically pot calling kettle black.
>>118131675
Did that happen in Germany? It should have because I'm pretty sure wolves have been extinct in Japan for like 150 years. And even then Japanese wolves were wimpy compared to European ones.
>>118131049
>it's not a genre of entertainment. A person can be chuuni, an anime can't.
That's a narrow way of thinking. Descriptors like this are used in Japanese all the time. For example denpa can be used to refer to someone who is mentally deranged, but the term can also be used to describe literature, films, etc. It's the same thing with chuuni.
>Chuunibyou is widely applied to any kind of adolescent pretensions or delusions.
I'll agree with the fact that there are many facets to chuuni. But in reference to entertainment, it usually involves magic battles, teenagers obtaining some power from some ancient god or spirit, references to ancient mythology or history, things borrowed from Western culture, etc. Hell, if you check the Japanese definition for it you'll find these common traits.
Like you said, chuuni isn't inherently bad like everyone makes it out to be. Just take a look at Dies Irae and Muramasa. They are considered chuuni among both Western and Japanese fanbases along with Nasu's works, but they are also highly praised.
>>118127627
I'll bet Saber likes African Swallows
>>118131888
>But in reference to entertainment, it usually involves magic battles, teenagers obtaining some power from some ancient god or spirit, references to ancient mythology or history, things borrowed from Western culture, etc
Anon, this is called stereotyping, it's done for the purposes of making fun of a topic. Yes, those are things that a lot of chuunibyou are into. But so what? Are you going to call drinking black coffee a chuunibyou trait? What about reading Dostoevsky or Kant or Nietzsche? Learning dead languages? Wearing jewelry? Why are only some things "chuuni things" because chuunibyous like them and others aren't?
Is it because urban fantasy anime/manga/LN/VNs are safe targets that are already scorned for other reasons while others are things "proper adults" do?
Yes, I know there are tendencies among chuunibyou to gravitate to certain titles more than others, but you're selectively ignoring those that don't fit your predetermined opinion (or the satirist's opinion) about what a stereotypical chuunibyou is.
It's pure arbitrariness.
Holy shit the adaption is as dull as the VN. One would think they would trim the vast amounts of nothing happening at all.
>>118132127
Ufo said weeks and weeks ago that they were planning on adapting every bit that they could. The anime is completely fanservice.
>>118132127
It's not "nothing happening," there's always stuff going on. If you aren't paying attention then you clearly don't care about the story, characters, or setting. So just go watch the DEEN movie of UBW since it's exactly what you're looking for.
>crams in every fight possible in a span of 90 minutes
>skips over exposition, characterization, and world building, including playing the opening credits over the prologue scenes
>rearranges events to make the story lurch from one fight to the next almost nonstop
There you go, F/SN: UBW minus all that wearisome dialogue and character development.
>>118132328
>It's not "nothing happening,"
Yes, it is. The VN has gross pacing issues. You could skip half of it and not really miss anything.
>>118128756
>Gilgamesh
>western
>>118132414
>known in the western world
>not western knowledge
Reading comprehension.
Does children = chuuni, and if it doesn't then what about being chuuni makes it bad?
Why are there no american heroes?
There are heroic spirits from the 1800s like okita.
>>118132409
You'd miss a lot of worldbuilding and foreshadowing. Those things may not be important to everyone but some people like them.
I don't remember, but was it said what Rin used as her catalyst for EMIYA?
>>118133249
Her pendant
