>”The Japanese animation industry has hit a dead end — it will be tough to escape unless we can make animation without commercial considerations,” Anno said in explaining his support of the project. “It may even be too late.”
>The plan is to make an initial line-up of about 30 animation shorts, an average of five to six minutes in length. The shorts will be made with production support from Khara and distributed on Web and as smartphone aps with technical backing from Dwango.
>Asked about the fourth and last instalment in his new “Evangelion” series, Anno offered no new info about production. “I am definitely doing it, but I have to do this sort of thing as well. I’m thinking that I’ll return to ‘Evangelion’ after I do something different,” he said.
http://variety.com/2014/film/news/tokyo-festival-hideaki-anno-warns-of-trouble-ahead-for-japanese-animation-1201339991/
Yamakan 2.0
Finally, the hero anime deserves.
>it will be tough to escape unless we can make animation without commercial considerations
Those terrible people who buy your products and let you do what you love. It's all their fault.
>Anno is malking sense change
>>115977085
>I’ll return to ‘Evangelion’ after I do something different,” he said.
Is he not even working on it? jesus.
>>115977203
The problem is that when you pander to their already established tastes and there are no risks taken, you end up with a stagnant, dying market, and will eventually deprive those same fans of material they would have already had.
On another note- Anno, are you just trying to get a bunch of people to just do what you did when you were a kid? Diacon IV came out twenty one years ago, dude.
>>115977085
Is this going to end up like that Studio 4C project called Amazing Nuts, where the most popular shorts out of the project were going to become actual anime? (too bad that didn't end up happening.)
>>115977085
>“It may even be too late.”
Does anyone actually like or want shorts? I know I don't. I want a solid story and time to develop it. Not a 5-minute style over substance circlejerk.
>>115977248
A pig that doesn't fly is just a pig
>>115977471
I like shorts, they're comfy and easy to wear.
>>115977259
I understood it as him working on 4.0 right now, will do something else after, and come back to Eva again.
>>115977359
There is a trailer. Look like a hipster shit
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2jsCNtNVEo4
>>115977471
Maybe you should read a book then
>>115977203
Nice strawman, faggot.
>>115977471
I love shorts, shit like Cencoroll and that robot one whose name I can't remember is awesome. They do always leave me wanting more though.
>>115977203
By commercial considerations I'm pretty sure he's talking about the niche otaku market, not children or normalfags or anything of that sort.
Still, with Anno funding this project and Trigger forming a potential partnership with Pixar, it's very likely that they know anime is dying as it is right now, and they know it.
>>115977359
>when you pander to their already established tastes and there are no risks taken, you end up with a stagnant, dying market
What already established tastes? People who like mecha shows? Idolfags? Making mecha shows or idol shows isn't "pandering", it's creating a product to meet a demand. Risks have to be taken to innovate but there's a balance to be struck there, and it has to be on the level of individual companies and projects. Saying you need to be divorced from commercial considerations is typical artist stupidity.
>>115977259
Can you not read? He's saying that he's hoping to do something different after 3.0+1.0, and then maybe return to Eva.
He's entirely right, though. Japan needs to have something that completely changes the industry soon. It's been, what, twenty years since Eva? We need another big project to completely "wow" us again, and get studios to stop doing the same thing over and over again.
>>115977085
>I’m thinking that I’ll return to ‘Evangelion’ after I do something different
Man, at this right we'll never get it.
But it's weird, I'm not sad about that, I rather see Anno work on something new than milk NGE even more
>>115977085
>continues to make Eva
>>115977559
I do. Doesn't mean I want a stupid teaser when I watch my animus.
>>115977085
>The plan is to make an initial line-up of about 30 animation shorts, an average of five to six minutes in length.
So more ignorable shits? Okay.
>>115977203
Anno has always had commercial considerations in his projects, he talk shit about irresponsible people.
Here he is saying that it's needed to do something new, without commercial restrictions as an investment to push the limits of commercial animation.
You need to make some bad independent 3DCG movies before making a commercial series like Sidonia.
>>115977551
>>115977551
Some of those look like fucking eyesores, but there seem to be some really fun ones too. There's also some Evangelion, so there's that I guess.
>>115977259
they really just need to finish and release it while he's gone before he fucks anything else up
>>115977701
Honestly though he is right that the industry is thinking too much of commercial aspects. Few studios are trying to take a risk.
>>115977637
No we don't. I am really fucking mad at the increasing mainstreaming of anime thanks to Crunchy fucks. If I had to give up my memories of anime forever in exchange for unleashing a mass mind-wiping wave that would revert it to a quirky, despised thing, I would do it in a heartbeat.
>>115977551
Funny. A third of those looked like generic shit with typical cute girls as the lead.
>>115977085
>unless we can make animation without commercial considerations
I'm fairly sure that's the way to a dead end. Making shit that's profitable earns the industry money.
>>115977551
Some of that does look like hipster shit, but some of it looks really cool.
>>115977471
Pleb and proud.
>>115977611
Which niche otaku market? The one that makes massive successes of idol shows and actually sustain the industry?
If you don't like the shows that are being made, shut the fuck up and open your wallet.
>>115977085
Anno is truly the Kanye of anime.
>>115977701
Practice making bad 3dcg to make a bad 3dcg show isn't something that should be applauded
>>115977756
Why does it make you mad though?
>>115977819
I thought we all agreed he was the George Lucas of anime. Come on, he can't be two counterparts at once.
>>115977756
what does this have to do with an industry-changing production? I don't like generic mass-market titles either, but a breakout success doesn't need to be one.
>>115977085
We need fucking 60 fps action scenes and less moe shit
>>115977635
I think the claim here is that there isn't a balance- the market is TOO commercial, and it's stifling innovation. He's not saying that the market as a whole needs to be divorced from commercial consideration, but there's a need for people to work on a few projects divorced from commercial consideration to push the medium forward a little bit, and get animator's and director's chops up.
>>115977756
You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. What I mean is that we need studios to start taking more risks, and not just focus on "how much merch can we sell"
It has nothing to do with anime's mainstream in the West. If it helps to dispel your fears, anime will never be as widespread/popular in the West as it was in the late 90s to the early 2000s.
>>115977864
He didn't sell Eva off yet.
The Miyazaki of our times.
>>115977760
You can't make anime without cute girls
>>115977875
>We need fucking 60 fps action scenes
CGifag please go and stay go
>>115977085
>”The Japanese animation industry has hit a dead end — it will be tough to escape unless we can make animation without commercial considerations,”
>Anno, of all people, saying this
That faggot has been milking his cash cow for almost 20 years now
>>115977085
>it will be tough to escape unless we can make animation without commercial considerations
So he ACTUALLY thinks that Rebuild is the better version.
>>115977984
He has experienced the crisis firsthand.
>>115977800
>Which niche otaku market? The one that makes massive successes of idol shows and actually sustain the industry?
Yes. Because there's no long-term future for that. They obviously want to expand outside of that and find a new target audience to cater to, one that doesn't prefer the same regurgitated idol, and harem shit over and over and over again
>Anno Warns of Trouble Ahead
It's like he's the messiah.
>>115977890
>If it helps to dispel your fears, anime will never be as widespread/popular in the West as it was in the late 90s to the early 2000s.
Unimaginably true. It was borderline acceptable then- now it's pretty heavily stigmatized.
>>115977984
Are you retarded? It has nothing to do with him, he's saying that innovation and creativity need to be more focused on, with a disregard for commercialism
>>115977085
It's okay because source material is ninety-nine out of one-hundred times better than animated adaptations
>>115977085
>unless we can make animation without commercial considerations
Faggot, just end writing scenario tho the end before you begin animate, and don't waste time and money on shit when you know you don't have either of them to waste.
>>115978045
Protip: normal people don't want to dish money out for cartoons.
>>115977882
But there are
>>115977984
Implying he wanted too you massive cunt even End of Eva is a massive "Fuck You"
>Destroy his most popular work with pandering and shit writing
>Use the money for saving anime
A true hero
>The plan is to make an initial line-up of about 30 animation shorts, an average of five to six minutes in length. The shorts will be made with production support from Khara and distributed on Web and as smartphone aps with technical backing from Dwango.
What the fuck am I reading.
I was just asking myself the other day, "why are anime originals so much better than adaptations?"
>>115978118
Fuck you
>>115978118
Are you being ironic or legitimately retarded?
>>115978062
It was never acceptable. You were just young and in the culture.
>>115978118
I don't understand. what risks do you faggots want them to take? whenever I hear this it just sounds like they want pretentious shit. do you even enjoy chinese cartoons?
>>115978129
He's a messianic figure. See >>115978129
>>115977800
You know westerners can't do shit to impact the market over there.
To be fair, though, I think when Anno is complaining about "commercial considerations", he means when blatant fan pandering sells the show, as opposed to high quality story telling. Shows where there's a bland, self-insert MC surrounded by pussy and there's a girl for everyone's tastes. When studios put merchandising and lewd art over telling a story that will last. Or when LN's only get adaptations to boost sales for the source. It's a problem in every industry, but in anime it gets worse and worse every year.
Shit, look at VN adaptations. Some go so far to put fanservice over story that they skim over routes in the game just so that each girl wins.
I don't know if there's anything inherently wrong with fan-service for the money, as long as it's not insulting to the audience, but the ones to blame are the Elevens buying the shit up non-stop.
>>115978185
>do you even enjoy chinese cartoons?
No, of course not.
>>115978164
Maybe not acceptable, but I remember there was a huge "japanese culture" craze where everything japanese was automatically hip and cool
It just seems like there's more retards attaching themselves to it now because we have a much more advanced internet.
>>115977893
I thought there are plans for a Hollywood movie out of it?
>>115978185
le epic fun things are fun may may
Yet another example of a director with unlimited budget telling people with limited budget to try harder.
>>115978256
You thought wrong, please try to not take every rumor you see as fact
They are making a GITS movie, though.
>>115978186
Mean to quote>>115978061
If Anno or anyone in the industry is serious about making the next big Eva to revive anime, then I feel the only step forward is to go international. They had their chance in the early and mid 2000's but they blew it then. With Trigger teaming up with Pixar and Anno taking a greater focus in 3D animation, that may be the road they're heading.
>>115978116
They dish a shit-ton of money out for movies though. The animation industry in America is huge off of movies alone.
>>115978288
>They are making a GITS movie, though.
No they're not.
He's write both about the dead end thing and the fact that it's pretty much already too little too late.
>>115977505
underrated post
>>115978185
>what risks do you faggots want them to take?
I only want new IPs. "Risks" could imply using alternative forms of animation, and Japan is batshit retarded at CGI.
>>115978249
>huge japanese culture craze
among kids, and not even all of them then
>>115977085
How many more times do you fuckers want to drive around this same circle until you're satisfied?
>>115978256
There were, and yes Gainax sold the movie rights, but they expired. There's a bunch of concept art and everything. It also had something to do with a split in the company or some shit.
>>115978310
Yeah and that animation industry is mainly filled with family films. Face it, well-adjusted adults won't be watching animation.
>>115977085
>”The Japanese animation industry has hit a dead end — it will be tough to escape unless we can make animation without commercial considerations,”
Says the guy who made the series that had the most commercial tie ins up until that time. And set up the 'commercial industry' anime is running on now.
Also, Anno was bitching about the anime industry being dead back in the late 90s. Before it quadrupled in size.
>>115978310
>the next big Eva
>revive anime
Anime is dead because it doesn't pander to my mature and refined tastes!
I'm pretty happy with how anime is right now, I mean we get a whole lot of crap but there is such volume being produced that there's at least one worthwhile anime every season. There is certainly still innovation in the anime industry.
You can't just ask businesses to stop focusing on commercial success, studios will do what is popular until a director wants to break the mold, then that becomes the new paradigm if it's a success.
>>115978311
Where have you been? Dreamworks is making it. It's going to be a trainwreck.
IBM.
That is all.
>>115978334
>among kids
And the kids now have access to the internet, it's a lesser version of what happened back then, and it's not anything to freak out over.
>>115978350
Anno owns all the rights to Eva now.
>>115978236
Then he should look for a way to get better writers in the industry. A few well-written studio original shows would break the illusion that only LN or manga adaptations are safe bets.
It would certainly be better than complaining about the people who buy BDs and merch as if you could trade in your customer base for a better one.
>>115978407
They don't and there is no movie.
>>115978164
I said "borderline." There was a certain amount of it people would tolerate. They'd think it was weird, but the stigma is way more intense now- I attribute a lot of that to Naruto, Bleach, and One piece catching on hardcore stateside.
>>115978185
Its codeword for more deepfag shit
>>115978236
You retarded.
>Shit, look at VN adaptations. Some go so far to put fanservice over story that they skim over routes in the game just so that each girl wins.
95% of book/manga/vn/game adaptations are shit, anime or no. It's a rule. Commercialization has little to do with it, it's a shitty writers/directors fault and desire to cram everything in one go.
>>115978318
overrated post
>>115978281
I don't think it's like that at all, I think he's trying to say that he understands where the smaller studios are coming from and he wants to help them out by contacting some their directors for this collaboration project. That's it.
Daily reminder that criticizing the lack of ideas on the anime industry doesn't mean to hate cute girls. Everyone loves cute girls on Japan, especially the people working on the industry. Even Miyazaki is an obvious lolicon. The criticism isn't about girls wearing miniskirts, it's about lazyness and lack of inspiration
Enough talking Hideaki. Put up or shut up.
>>115978116
That's why Pixar movies keep breaking records. beating out live action films.
>>115978310
>They dish a shit-ton of money out for movies though. The animation industry in America is huge off of movies alone.
The animation industry in America is hardly 'huge'. Its basically 3 different companies publishing and producing all the animated titles. Which are mostly done by Korean/Japanese animators anyway.
To add to this, the only reason movies do so well in America is because of massive advertising. They spend well over 200 million dollars advertising every new Disney/Pixar/Dreamworks movie. Then break even on the box office sales. Its the DVD/Blu Ray sales which bring in all the money. Its basically an investment.
And even then, what is all that advertising aimed at? The Hollywood actors who do the voices for characters. Not the unique story or animation itself.
It all started from Beat Takeshi
>"I hate anime and even though I truly hate, like, Hayao Miyazaki's work, I can recognize how great anime is just by the amount of money it earns.
http://kotaku.com/beat-takeshi-hates-anime-and-thats-okay-1651169963
Inb4 kotaku, actually it has better translation than ann
Oh fuck everyone head for the hills!
Anime is dying!
Again.
This shit is getting so old.
>>115978116
Thats the issue
>>115978515
>>115978515
>>115978515
This is the problem. Not cute girls, not fanservice, not adaptations.
>>115978487
I don't know, in my mind the stigma was even deeper back then with ultraviolence and hentai.
>>115978561
No one is saying it's dying. Anno is just saying it'll hit a dead end as far as quality goes. There's just a lack of good writing in the industry, and an abundance of shit taste in the market.
>>115978516
> lazyness and lack of inspiration
This, pretty much this.
I don't even know how bad those concept makers' ideas are nowadays, but they are mostly shit that wouldn't sell because they are clearly uninteresting, like Genei wo Kakeru Taiyou.
>>115977085
>anno in any way an authority on anything other than being successful as a hack writer
>>115978553
>And even then, what is all that advertising aimed at? The Hollywood actors who do the voices for characters. Not the unique story or animation itself.
Its so sad how Hollywood even controls the animated industry in America.
>>115978383
>had the most commercial tie ins up
What is Gundam
>>115978520
Like Tomino's any better anyway
>>115978515
I don't know if i want to punch the right guy because of what he said or because his retarded face
>>115978399
>Anime is dead because it doesn't pander to my mature and refined tastes!
>mention the American animation industry in my post, which focuses on children and families
Talk about poor reading comprehension.
>>115978378
Your point? It's different from the usual pandering fare and a fairly big-budget, successful movie could provide enough cash to fund their own independent projects.
>>115978438
The problem is only LN or manga adaptations are a safe bet because the audience doesn't give a shit about anything beyond jerking-off. Even original shows are full of pandering and safe choices in an attemp to attract the otaku yen.
Anime is stuck on a vicious cycle of late-night cartoons made by otakus and consumed only by otakus. The solution would be going back to the casuals but the primetime is full of J-dramas and variety shows and they're already struggling for maintain the ratings because the audience is tired of the same shit over and over again
>>115978520
>implying anyone's going to take him seriously anymore after G Reco
>>115978621
So what's the fix, eh? They our a ton of money into things consumers probably WON'T pay for, and haven't been proven, and magically turn a profit?
Those people with shit taste are the only ones who matter in the grand scheme, anon.
>>115978621
As opposed to when?
>>115978666
>>115978665
Tomino and Gundam deserve huge credit for keeping anime relevant as a whole. They are definitely a contributing factor. If Gundam didn't exist, neither Japan nor the USA would be as much into anime as they are.
>>115978685
I want to punch you because you're a namefag.
>>115978621
>There's just a lack of good writing in the industry, and an abundance of shit taste in the market
That sounds like every industry, honestly.
>>115978685
>I want to punch someone for liking things I don't like
You've succinctly summarized this thread. Thank you.
>>115978185
>what risks do you faggots want them to take?
Ping Pong
>>115978780
And that's why anime is dead.
>>115978665
The amount of crappy merchandise tie ins that came out for Eva made Gundam look insignificant.
Yes, Gundam was made to be a tie in to a toy line. But the point was, Eva had 100x the merchandise of Gundam (or any other anime up to that point). It pretty much set the standard for future shows which didn't make money off of DVD sales, but royalties off merchandise.
>>115977756
>My interest that was never obscure is getting more fans
Absolutely pathetic wannabe hipster shit. No better than the losers who stop listening to bands once they go big. Go find a new edgy hobby big daddy.
>>115978799
I proudly carry my nickname, because i don't fear expressing my opinions.
>>115978696
My point is that there is no 'new target audience' for these novel projects, not in the grand scale. The only people who are willing to dish money out for animation are the obsessive idol fans and maybe families.
>>115977745
I've kind of noticed it and been tolerating it a bit for a while, but it's just become really blatant in the last year and a half or so I'd say. I find it's mainly Aniplex pushing this sort of hyper commercialized model with trying to make all these big budget blockbuster style over substance shows with plug in x commercially popular staffers like Gen Urobuchi, Sawano and Kaijura adapted at y currently popular studio like Madhouse, SHAFT, ufoTABLE, Sunrise etc. using Z popular LN/VN license.
We also seem to get like a seasonal Monogatari entry as well out of them now because it's guaranteed easy sales regardless of content and effort level. It kind of gets old pretty fast and they're just so blatant about the commercial intent it kind of bleeds into the shows themselves and any enjoyment I might get out of them. Even if I kind of like some of those people, studios and franchises I prefer them in small doses as opposed to like...I don't know...ALL THE FREAKING TIME with constant commercial promotions and in your face blanket advertising.
>>115978817
The only reason that shit sold was because of Yuasa, the same reason why Cross Ange would ever sell (muh Nana Mizuki).
>>115978875
Holy shit, where did you come from?
Please get the fuck >>>/out/
>anime is dying
I don't know how many of you youngins were even around in the 80s, but I can tell you that anime is being produced at a rate greater than ever before. They wouldn't be making so many god damn new anime if they didn't sell.
>>115978780
Keep making good anime and people's tastes will accustom over time. Sort of like how Hollywood pushed cape films. Now everyone goes to the movies to see shitty, tasteless Marvel drek no matter how bad it is because they've become accustomed to it.
Shame that the anime industry is so divided that it can't even afford that.
>>115978870
>No better than the losers who stop listening to bands once they go big.
Usually the reason bands "get big" in the first place is because they deviate from their original formula that made them obscure, obviously that would alienate old fans.
>>115978310
>the next big Eva
Eva was a product of its time and it was hardly groundbreaking concept-wise even then, pandering mostly to otakus (the early/first otakus, but otakus nonetheless).
If anything we should be looking to/for a new Satoshi Kon in anime going forward.
>Anno or Eva mentioned on /a/
>guaranteed 500 posts
Like shooting autists in a comic book store.
>>115978952
What they really mean is they want more "mature" and "creative" anime i.e. pretentious deepfag shit
>>115977756
That's not really the problem so much as companies scrambling to try to pander to these idiots and empowering them while kind of neglecting the traditional fanbases of anime more and more. It's also still pretty despised at large if not moreso now because it's living up more and more to the stereotypes people always used to attribute to it because it's basically catering to braindead idiots more and more and becoming increasingly simplistic in the kinds of stories the shows try to tell and how it goes about telling them even as the budgets are increasing and shit continues to look flashier and flashier.
>>115979001
>the most influential and popular anime of all time
>not ground breaking
This is what a significant portion of /a/ actually believes.
>>115978952
They know perfectly well it isn't dying. They just don't like what it's turning into. These threads are thinly-veiled complaints about "moeshit" by the people who think trigger is a good studio.
>>115978952
Are you mentally challenged? The point isn't that nothing is being made, it's that what is being made is generic shit we've all seen a thousand times before
I think you're going senile, gramps.
>>115978448
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_in_the_Shell#Live-action_adaptation
>>115978845
Hurr durr
It's ok for gundam to make 10+ sequel to selling toys.
>>115979001
I'll just keep watching Junichi Sato shows. You know, a guy who has been working on series since the 1980s and is still going strong now.He even worked on the storyboard for End of Eva.
>>115978666
Come on, Tomino has ALWAYS done what he can in his power to tell a story he wants regardless of the obsessive fan market and his shows don't pander to the lowest Japanese man. Even if his story telling in a bit unorthodox, Tomino just doesn't give a shit about the fans and keeps pushing himself ti keep making anime
>>115978823
>it's dead because it profitable
>it will be alive when it become financial failure
If you give creators too much freedom without any restrictions, you won't get better product - you will get shit, or nothing at all.
>>115979001
>Eva panders to otakus
Except it doesn't. I don't get why people keep pushing this idea.
>>115979063
I like moe. There's room for moe, the issue isn't moe. It's that there isn't ANYTHING fresh, so it's all stagnated shit we've seen already.
Another nutjob crying because people don't like what he likes
>>115978962
>Keep making good anime and people's tastes will accustom over time.
>over time
>time
>MONEY
Also, Hollywood never pushes jack shit. Marvel figured out the perfect superhero blockbuster formula, and it sold like hotcakes. Everyone (including Marvel themselves) has been aping that formula ever since, and it's been working.
An industry will never change its consumers. Ever.
>>115979032
Better than slice of life that's devoid of anything.
>>115978784
America and the rest of the western world does not give a shit about Gundam and never has.
If anything, American networks broadcasting the stuff over here on childrens' channels like cartoon network are the ones that you should be thanking.
>>115978962
Capeshit is the anime equivalent of haremshit though.
>>115979069
>It's ok for gundam to make 10+ sequel to selling toys.
No one even implied this.
>Hurr durr
Good summary of your post.
>>115978809
I will put the blame on Aniplex-Ponycanyon-Kadokawa-Lantis domination in the anime/manga/LN industry.
>>115978952
He's not talking about anime dying, if you didn't notice. He's more concerned about mass-producing shit that currently sells. All cheap LN adaptations for no other reason but to milk money from desperate otaku, without any effort to do anything else.
>>115978780
People will pay for good content, period. Problem is, the people with shit taste consider tits, ass, and moe. Those people are in the majority. But it's not like that is THE ONLY thing that will sell. A recent example, SnK is selling pretty well and doesn't have much fanservice in the show itself. Yeah, there's some fucking sketchy merchandising, but the animators and writers of the show are giving their all trying to make a good, loyal adaptation.
If you gotta sell daki's of the cast or something to keep the show afloat, so be it. But the integrity is in making the show itself.
>>115977637
Well speaking just about Japan they're pretty much enraptured with Love Live but I don't really think that's the solution. Some people might argue that that franchise was Madoka but I'm still not sure. Others seem to argue that Gen Urobuchi is the solution to all of animes writing problems but I personally find him far to one dimensional and prone to quitting on projects mere episodes into writing the scripts to be much of a positive influence.
>>115979001
>eva panders to otaku
You're a fucking retard, Eva tells otaku to go fuck themselves, and Anno laughs when they still don't see that and keep throwing money at him
>>115979089
IT'S OKAY WHEN TOMINO DOES IT
>>115977085
Fuck you Anno. You shat all over Evangelion. I don't give a flying fuck what you think. You are a hack like George Lucas.
Sell Evangelion to someone who can actually do some good with it.
>>115979059
>the most influential and popular anime of all time
Gee, did you come up with that yourself or was fed that shit by the marketing team(s)?
>>115977085
The fucking irony.
Anno's fucking Evangelion franchise management is the main culprit of the current state of anime industry. what the fuck is he warning people about? what a piece of shit
>>115979167
Are you seriously implying SnK is a good show?
>>115978515
god the right guy is total husbando materia
I'd love to cuddle with him every night, feeding him his little girl bullshit while I suck his japanese mashmallow dick.
>>115977373
>No Global Astroliner Gou anime
Still mad, fuck everything
>>115979194
I found the retard, guys
>>115979032
>creativity is a bad thing now
Jesus Christ.
>>115979126
>liking SoL
I'm still in favor of a non-Japanese company taking everything inherently good about anime and co-opting it into something new. It's pretty clear they're beyond saving, but the medium doesn't need to die along with their shitty, untalented industry.
Can I say that I absolutely agree with him and that I'm really excited for this without you guys calling me a hipster?
I'll have hope if that tag-team project between Pixar and Trigger actually ends up being something PG13. If not then both industries will continue to remain stagnant in their own ways.
>>115978496
>50+ hour of story to read
>Very Little to no Gameplay
>Longer than a Book/LN and most manga
>Main selling points are the possibility of dating and or fucking the cute girl on the cover and the feeling of loss
>Tragedy in the final acts are guaranteed
>Long and Truncated story telling due there formats
VN's are the worst things getting adapted hands down
VN's are for shitty people with lots of time to waste and are basically lower than scum so a good amount of the /a/ user base
>>115978944
>We also seem to get like a seasonal Monogatari entry
You retard or just idiot? Monogatary had commercial success and people begging to animate all novels that left, and they getting what they asked.
>>115978784
>Gundam
>Keeping anime relevant
Gundam has only been relevant to Gundam fans. That's like claiming Star Trek kept American TV relevant for 40 years.
>>115977471
Nigga well animated shorts are great
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byAfC5yW_hw
>>115979178
I felt that Madoka was just trying to be the next "Eva", so to speak. I don't think it really changed anything other than show that there are still original ideas.
>>115979236
Did you think the Star Wars Prequel movies were good? Did you think 3.0 was good?
I rest my case.
>>115979214
It wasn't brain numbingly stupid in terms of it's themes.
Simply because you think shonen and all the tropes that come along with it are of a lesser quality does not mean the show is bad. Try to be a little bit objective.
>>115979214
It's pretty good, but not great.
Lots of flaws, not in my favorites.
I'm glad anime will never pander to DEEPfags and casuals. Go watch your Western garbage.
>>115977551
Looks all pretty interesting.
Suddenly I am about to regain faith in Anno.
>>115979190
But Tomino hasn't pandered to the fans, in fact, he hates them.
What's there for him to do.
Now that I assume Anno has done this to gain money witht eh rebuilds, I guess he never became a sellout and just wanted to imporve the industry from within by going with the flow and redirecting it while Tomino goes fully againts it
>>115979134
>>115979069
Gundam is Gundam. It is an unstoppable behemoth and can do whatever it wants to. 2013 was a record year for Gundam profits and this is a nearly 40 year old series.
Gundam is no offense or thread to anime. If anything it's helped the industry as a whole by keeping foreigners interested. Don't bite the hand that feeds you.
captcha:Gunduckckiodat
>>115979185
How is Eva telling otaky to go fuck themselves exactly?
>>115978496
This. Take a look at Eva manga spinoffs. I dont know what were they thinking when they hired this bitch for IM2nd
>>115979116
>>115979185
"Pandering" is probably the wrong word. "Appealed" is what I meant.
>>115979103
You're right. My penis can't wait for LN adaptation # 55354545, with the same plot I've seen 20 times this year, the same character designs, the same characters but with diferent names, the same VAs (even if they're new VAs, they all sound the same), the same development and a hook for next season.
>>115979032
Your opinion is prove that currently the industry write for shit unless it's harem/comedy/romance
>>115977551
Looks great to me. I'm all for Anno serving as a patron of new anime.
>>115979313
>hur durr it HAS to be Japanese
No, it doesn't. You could probably direct a competent anime at this point seeing as you've most likely seen enough to know it's inherent qualities.
>>115979032
You must be a very stupid person.
Unfortunately people will always refuse to step out of their comfort zones when it comes to anime.
Because there's so much anime out all the time, the likelyhood of something pandering specifically to your taste are pretty high, you're never really put in a situation where you have to branch out and try something new or something you may have never considered before.
Kyoani fans only watch Kyoani shows
Moefans only watch moe shows
Action fans only watch action shows
DEEPfans only watch DEEP shows
Hell there's some people who only watch adaptions of their favourite manga/VN/LN and people who only watch original shows.
Nobodies willing to take a risk with their time and money watching a genre, director, studio that they're unfamiliar with or refuse to associate with for whatever reason just as much as studios are unwilling to take any risks.
>>115977471
No way, shorts are a great avenue for interesting and quirky ideas that wouldn't make it to the screen otherwise
>>115979308
The Rebuilds aren't good, you moron. That's the point. The Rebuilds are a massive troll by Anno to make fun of all of us for not being able to let go a decade later.
>>115979351
Did you not watch End of Evangelion?
>>115979318
And here's the proof, that /a/ has been taken by tumbr/MAL faggots.
I mean, if Naruto threads weren't enough evidence for you guys.
>>115979130
I live in America. Almost everyone at my college knows what Gundam is. I doubt many know what any other given anime series is.
>>115979313
Stop denying it, you know dam well that collaboration is the future and that Japan will have to convert to 2D if they want their animation industry to survive.
>>115979358
Boohoo. Go watch your Parasyte and Ping Pong and stop bitching about things other people enjoy.
>>115979237
Isn't one sympthom of autism to hate new things?
I'll be called a troll or baiter here but do we need more anime/manga that's exactly like SHingeki no Kyojin.
Decent story and characters that anyonecan understand and enjoy but the big deal is that it doesn't pander to anyone yet it sells like hot cakes even in Japan
You guys are fucking stupid if you can't see that anime as a creative form is becoming increasingly homogenized and pandering to one particular taste palate. That is equal to the form dying, creatively.
>>115979404
Are you serious?
>>115979384
"anime" literally means japanese animation, though.
>>115979393
I'd say the peak is at around 150 shows, after that it's a lot more fun to just watch what you want.
>>115979393
>people will always refuse to step out of their comfort zones
Not really.
>>115979178
Wanted to add that some people might argue this season at least that Fate/Stay Night is that big next generation cutting edge show, but when you really think about it, the bar none most popular anime this season is a remake adaptation of a decade old eroge VN (since made just a regular VN admittedly) that features characters and story arcs most of the people watching it are likely already very familiar with and have been for about a similar amount of time as the franchise has been around and thus are mainly watching to see their favorite scenes adapted with a modern cutting edge look, sizable budget and the 2D/3DCGI blend animation style that is currently defining this era. This Fall season, the season that is supposed to be when the industry really brings out all of it's big guns, ideas and really starts pouring on the budgets, that show is considered to be the absolute best the industry can do by a considerable margin by many people. Just removing any and all fanboyism from the equation for half a second that's pretty damning for the anime industries ability to generate new content and not rely so much on past success and surefire hits.
>>115979403
Is that what you honestly believe?
You are a tool.
>>115979065
>The point isn't that nothing is being made, it's that what is being made is generic shit we've all seen a thousand times before
>everyone who watch anime seen everything I've seen in those 20 years
>and if they don't and being underage newfags, they should watch all those I deemed as masterpieces before they were born.
I thing you should stop watching anime and quit /a/.
I don't see harem as a bad thing. The problem is when it's always the same premises. We're lacking in variety.
>>115979439
>convert to 3D**
>>115979457
It just means less newfags. Can you say that is a bad thing?
>>115979404
Remember when /a/'s boogieman was Gaia?
>>115979354
How? By having 3 different flavor girls/mechs? That's something all people enjoy. Otaku aren't the only ones who like having waifu wars.
>>115979457
That is the same for every form of media.
>>115979442
Parasyte has a pretty typical plot though, it's just well-executed
>>115977551
>Looks promising
>Classical music in the background (Händel?)
Is the master back?
>>115979473
>"anime" literally means japanese animation, though.
The Japanese aspect means jack shit if we're being honest.
>>115979536
>wubstep
>well executed
Whatever, Im glad the manga industry is in better shape than ever
>>115979536
also same with Ping Pong
>>115979493
I think you should go get ready for bed, you have school in the morning.
>>115979491
Tell me what the "Curse of the Eva" is, then. It's Anno laughing at all of us as we keep giving him more money to destroy Evangelion. In that sense, you could say I love the Rebuilds not as films, but for what they represent.
>>115979456
Even though SnK is a shitty show, it does it right when it comes to pandering to a widespread, international audience.
AKA we need more Cowboy Bebops, FMAs, Big Os and so on.
>>115979589
B-but Yuasa...
>>115979358
That's your problem. And you should watch some other type of anime one in a while.
>>115979405
Not him, but funny. Hardly anybody around me knows what Gundam is (outside of a few who heard of Wing). I blame the poor marketing by Bandai.
>>115977085
well fuck man we have endless rehashes and anime is pirated the world over so fuck it let it burn... When was the last original anime?
>>115979584
>implying I was talking about the anime and not the manga
The plot is well-executed
>>115979456
HELL NO, especially because it was enslaved by the idea of "if you can't beat them, join them", and then the absolute lack of action in the latest chapters.
Isayama cannot into balance, and he'll be a slave to the editors who want to cash in on his successful manga.
>>115979130
Except for that time Gundam Wing exploded and, along with DBZ, basically made Toonami
>>115979560
Fuck the master. basically he's saying to make sellout even the authorial shorts
he's just the biggest bitch of entertainment
>>115977085
>>Asked about the fourth and last instalment in his new “Evangelion” series, Anno offered no new info about production. “I am definitely doing it, but I have to do this sort of thing as well. I’m thinking that I’ll return to ‘Evangelion’ after I do something different,” he said.
So, he asked 30 independent animators and gave them money to make some weird shit without trying to be commercial success.
And then he is gonna take the best ideas and men to make the most epic evangelion 4.0 possible.
How can this go wrong? This guy is really going to break anime again.
>>115979506
Frankly, I'd much prefer it if we had a wider variety of shows in terms of plots and themes with varying styles, like we did around 6~8 years ago. Things really felt creatively free just that short of a time ago, but since then something happened, and now we have endless harem LN adaptions.
>>115979512
He's using MAL as boogieman, of course he doesn't remember, he wasn't here.
>>115979658
Thats not even a sentence.
>>115979403
You really are reading too much into it. Rebuild is another cash cow by a hack who got lucky and is trying to keep his shit relevant. And even if Anno wants to pretend he's above it all, at which point do you turn into the thing you try to mock? The fact is that he is feeding the otaku obsession as much as the generic light novel adaptations.
>>115979600
>AKA we need more Cowboy Bebops, FMAs, Big Os and so on.
Fuck you casual scum
>>115979405
I guarantee more people at your 'college' know what DBZ, Sailor Moon, Pokemon, Eva, Naruto, Cowboy Bebop or Fullmetal Alchemist are.
Anime fans know Gundam. But people who don't even know what anime is know what DBZ, Sailor Moon and Cowboy Bebop are. because of Toonami/Adult Swim.
>>115979624
Cross Ange
>>115979595
Don't project so much, edgy manchildren.
>>115979600
>AKA we need more Cowboy Bebops, FMAs, Big Os and so on.
please no
>>115979130
You're fucking joking right? Gundam is one of the few anime that non-japs even care about, along with DBZ, cowboy bebop, bobobobobobobobobo, inuyasha, yu yu hakusho, one piece, pokemon andavatar.
>>115979442
People are saying Parasyte is anything but mildly enjoyable? The only reason I'm watching it is because Madhouse is doing well with the animation.
Ping Pong was much better.
>>115979673
That guys probably wasn't here either.
I've said that statement tons of times, and I wasn't here.
>>115979276
>You're shitty and lower than scum because I say so.
>>115979610
Everybody knows that the plot was pretty standard for a sports manga. People liked it because because the characters were well-exposed and the directing was good. If you think Yuasa had any significant degree of control of the plot you're retarded.
I'm calling dibs on bike girl already, have a good feeling here.
>>115979393
you might as well say the restaurant industry is dead because picky eaters can get away with ordering chicken fingers everywhere they go
>>115979473
>"anime" literally means japanese animation, though.
anime is actually a shortened form of 'animation' first coined by the French and borrowed by Japan.
I know what you mean, what we classify as anime is a show produced in Japan. But the term itself isn't Japanese. Just like the term 'Loli' wasn't a Japanese invention. Its based on a term coined in Europe after the book Lolita.
>wants to see anime made without commercial considerations
>the guy who made the fucking Eva rebuilds
>I only watch pretentious shit and everybody else should
This thread in a nutshell
>>115979600
I'd kill for another Big O and FMA but not Bebop, let it stay asleep in the last decade.
Thread like these really show just how much filth is riddled throughout /a/.
If you prefer anime to stay as it is and enjoy watching the same shitty moe series every season, you're a part of the problem.
>>115979404
the main proof is people here still like evangelion.
>>115979738
I'm saying people only liked Ping Pong because of Yuasa's name.
>>115979755
Yes, the questions we must ask if Anno's savior project is to succeed are: which is best girl and merchandise when?
>>115979214
It's a solid no-bullshit dark fantasy series with a good OST and occasionally awesome animation. Compared to other shonen nonsense with zero world-building and anything-goes nerd bait character designs like Akame la Kill it's absolutely amazing. But hey, whatever makes you feel superior to those "plebs" /b/ro.
>>115979672
Shana, Toradora and Index sparked the interest in light novel adaptations. I wouldn't call it "the beginning of the end" because there are light novels that were adapted earlier than the three like the Lost Universe (Slayers, for example). It's just that adaptations nowadays are taken from works from Syosetsuka no Narou (e.g. Mahouka).
