Scanlation thread.
What are you working on?
Scanning my backlog of manga. I'd like to get into editing, but my eyes suck and my monitor isn't that great.
I just discovered GREYCstoration thanks to a kind tripfag over on /w/. I'm most of you all knew about it already; I'm a newbie though. Really useful plugin, though fairly complicated. I'm still trying to find the right settings for these scans.
De-noise then level, or level then de-noise?
>>113266494
Well, I'm pretty new, but I think maybe something like typesetting would be pretty easy for you. You don't need great vision or monitor since the cleaner should've made it all nice for you anyway. You just a willingness to spend a bunch of your free time putting words on the page and picking appropriate fonts/styles.
>>113266602
If it's denoising at 3000px+ then nothing is better than Topaz, really (on the right hands).
>>113267103
Not this shit again.
>>113267008
Well, GREYCstoration is free, so there's that. I haven't tried anything else. Before this I was manually trying to level and blur to remove noise and getting less-than-ideal results to put it nicely.
>>113267103
give, dude!
>>113267150
>Well, GREYCstoration is free, so there's that.
You say that like scanlators buy topaz. Or Photoshop for that matter.
>>113267103
I have no idea what this is or why people respond negatively to it, but it looks cool and I wish I had it. Rotating things manually is easy but tedious.
>>113267103
>>113267215
People respond negatively to it because the faggot never shared the script. A scrip like that could actually work very well for a lot of pages. One example where it would be a bad idea would obviously be spreads but other than that it'd be useful for the most part.
>>113267225
>feed raws into autofeed on scanner
>all straight, all scanned automatically
Who even scans their pages wonky anyway, thats a fucking disgrace.
>>113267315
Flatbed scanners provide higher quality raws than autofeed scanners.
>>113267315
There's no rotation going on. Scanned pages from autofeed scanners tend to be straight for the most part. If the pages were a mess before you put them on the scanner, the scans would be a mess too.
>>113267419
depends on the scanner. mine was over £500 and is high quality, the cheaper ones are horrifying though and are meant for monochrome text documents.
>>113267315
I have a flatbed scanner, sometimes my pages come out wonky because the top cover moves the page slightly when I put it down.
I finished QCing Dumbpire 37 yesterday. Think we're still waiting on cleaning though.
>>113267270
I guess that makes sense.
>>113267194
I guess I'll have to look into that then. Playing around with GREYCstoration a bit more, I finally got some pretty good results and I can even throw them into an action I use for all these pages. Shit's pretty slow on my old ass laptop though. Is topaz pretty slow too? i just assume anything I'm going to try here is going to be pretty slow since they're large files with lots of noise.
>>113267960
Depends on how good your computer is, really.
I'm trying to find some good Pixiv manga to work on, but I have no idea how to navigate to stuff that isn't complete shit. Artists that I like really aren't the type to have a Pixiv, either.
Soon
>>113268016
Yeah, mine is not that good anymore. I think I'll just stick to this since I think I've got it pretty well figured out now, but whenever I get a new machine I'll try to remember Topaz.
>>113267960
My laptop is 4 years old, i3 M330 @ 2.13 GHz with 4 GB of RAM. 600DPI scans are really the only raws that are slow and that's because I set them through more than one topaz denoise. 300DPI are a lot faster. Just a few months ago I was doing 450DPI raws with topaz denoise 5 + surface blur and in about an hour it finished doing all of the preliminary cleaning for 35+ pages. Keep in mind though I had it do more shit than just denoise. What really slowed it down was when I upscaled to 8000px to level shit.
>>113268294
>when I upscaled to 8000px to level shit.
Okay, this is probably stupid question, but what? Why?
>>113268363
It affects the anti aliasing of lines less, I don't remember the exact explanation of why. These were shitty magazine raws though, so it's not going to be the same for high quality raws like tankobon ones or from magazines with amazing paper and printing. I don't have to do that anymore because the magazine switched to better printing so now I can pre-clean in 20 minutes, then level in another 20 minutes, then redraw and burn anything that needs it, and finally downscale and typeset.
>>113268294
Topaz sounds pretty comparable to GREYCstoration then. My setup is pretty similar (less RAM but a decent GPU) and it took somewhere between 1 and 2 minutes to do that page. Still way faster than just going over everything with a white brush which was what I thought I'd have to end up doing.
>>113268294
>>113268532
Also one of the main reasons things would slow down is because I make a separate copy layer of the raw where I do all the cleaning while keeping the raw on the bottom without being touched. This doubles the size of the PSD and so it slows down Ps in some things.
I abandoned my typesetting and cleaning skills to take translating, am I a bad person?
>>113268532
Huh, that sounds nice. I'll have to try it out.
>>113268625
Not at all, translators are lacking.
>>113268625
I'd say translators are more in-demand so that's probably a good thing.
>>113268625
Not at all, you're a wonderful people and I really appreciate what you do.
>>113267103
What exactly is this?
Is it software I can buy somewhere?
>>113268059
This makes me happy, even if twerking is a cancerous normal fag meme.
>>113268824
It's either an action or a script made on Ps.
>>113268858
Ah.
>>113268875
#target Photoshop
app.bringToFront;
var inFolder = Folder.selectDialog("Please select folder to process");
if(inFolder != null){
var fileList = inFolder.getFiles(/\.(jpg|tif|psd|)$/i);
var outfolder = new Folder(decodeURI(inFolder) + "/Edited");
if (outfolder.exists == false) outfolder.create();
for(var a = 0 ;a < fileList.length; a++){
if(fileList[a] instanceof File){
var doc= open(fileList[a]);
doc.flatten();
var docname = fileList[a].name.slice(0,-4);
CropStraighten();
doc.close(SaveOptions.DONOTSAVECHANGES);
var count = 1;
while(app.documents.length){
var saveFile = new File(decodeURI(outfolder) + "/" + docname +"#"+ zeroPad(count,3) + ".jpg");
SaveJPEG(saveFile, 12);
activeDocument.close(SaveOptions.DONOTSAVECHANGES) ;
count++;
}
}
}
};
function CropStraighten() {
executeAction( stringIDToTypeID('CropPhotosAuto0001'), undefined, DialogModes.NO );
};
function SaveJPEG(saveFile, jpegQuality){
jpgSaveOptions = new JPEGSaveOptions();
jpgSaveOptions.embedColorProfile = true;
jpgSaveOptions.formatOptions = FormatOptions.STANDARDBASELINE;
jpgSaveOptions.matte = MatteType.NONE;
jpgSaveOptions.quality = jpegQuality;
activeDocument.saveAs(saveFile, jpgSaveOptions, true,Extension.LOWERCASE);
}
function zeroPad(n, s) {
n = n.toString();
while (n.length < s) n = '0' + n;
return n;
};
This is what a few minutes of googling got me.
>>113269101
Time to try this shit out.
Sometimes I notice that the cleaning in manga I read is done very very poorly, like the cleaner just did some black brush strokes to hide some shit and didn't bothered to level the rest. Well, I gave it some thoughts and came to conclusion that it might be my monitor settings, and I'm seeing shit I'm not supposed to.
Is there a way to check how my end result would look on different monitors?
>>113269202
The way I do it is set brush tool, alt+left click on where I brushed over text, look at the numbers on the left bar, then do the same on the blacks and whites after leveling. If the blacks are all 0 then it should be the same.
>>113269202
No you're almost definitely seeing people being lazy. Black should be black and white should be white.
>>113269202
It is the monitor settings, but it's not a problem with you. It's the editor/cleaner's monitor settings making them think that a dark grey/improperly leveled black tone is actually solid black, so they don't finish it properly. I mean I guess you could adjust your monitor settings to be darker so that you don't see it, but that'd sort of be like asking for a full set of spices to reseason a dish you ordered at a restaurant because the chef forgot to add salt and pepper.
>>113268363
It's to protect the antialiasing and tones.
On the left, leveled at 3000px and on the right, leveled at 8000px. The difference is clear.
>>113269202
Or cleaner's monitors are shit.
I agree with others, black should be black etc.
Currently behind schedule on a title I doubt /a/ reads....? Gundam stuff. It's been a rough few weeks but I found 2 new PSers
For a monthly magazine, Dessert sure has some shitty page quality.
>all of this nonfree software
>>113269858
I forgot my image.
>>113269858
Monthly magazine doesn't necessarily mean good quality, unfortunately.
>>113269317
I see. Well, last question.
Sometimes after straightening out the scan along the panel lines (and these panels are supposed to be straight, I've double checked with ellipsis in the bubbles and other scans) page ends up uneven, so I have to crop off parts of the page. If I were to use distort transformation to fit all the shit into proper rectangle, it end up fucking up screentone in the panes that weren't fitting in.
Is there a trick to this shit or the scanner just simply fucked up?
>>113269909
No. Sometimes you just have to crop a bit of the art.
>>113269939
It pains me to do such thing. Especially if the scans have almost all pages like this.
>>113269909
Unless you're going to redraw all the missing shit you're going to have to crop it.
>>113269479
Wow. I just tried it and you're right. The difference is hugely noticeable too. Damn. Knowing this there's no way I can let myself skip that step now. Only problem I'm going to have with this is that it took a LOT longer to de-noise the upscaled page.
In case it's not obvious what's happening in this picture: bottom layer was scaled up before de-noising and leveling. Marquee shows the cutout in the top layer which was denoised and leveled on the regular sized raw.
Reposting an issue from last thread that got no replies:
I'm pretty much a beginner when it comes to redrawing, and a problem I've been finding is that while I have a drawing tablet, even photoshop's 1px brush is really thick and clunky compared to the manga's lines, and no amount of tweaking with settings that I can see can make it sharper/thinner.
I've also tried:
-Using a stroked pen tool
-Drawing the lines then erasing the sides to make them thinner
Is this an existing problem or am I not using photoshop properly?
>>113270090
You're not supposed to desnoise at 8000px.
>>113270090
Just denoise at 3000, resize to 8000, level, then resize back to 3000, and then resize to your release resolution.
>>113269909
Honestly, I've noticed a ton of books are simply printed a bit crooked to begin with.
If it's on EVERYTHING then it may actually be your scanner. If the arm is at an angle, it can cause the scans to be uneven. It can also be caused if the glass of the bed is sinking in on one side. What happens is that part of it ends up being scanned a bit larger as it's slightly closer and it makes the lines uneven. I'm not sure if that's what you're describing, but that's one of the problems with my scanner.
>>113270090
...I can't tell which is supposed to be better.
I mean, the stuff in the selection boxes might be a bit too sharp but that's definitely preferable to how blurry the rest is.
>>113270134
When I have those issues I just erase the excess with a white brush or with clone stamp tool if it's on tones.
>>113270327
Yeah, the selection is the bottom layer which I scaled up before denoising and leveling. It looks much better. I only just found this denoiser today, so I'm still learning it and I might have over-leveled a bit too. I'm just amazed at what a huge difference scaling it up before doing all that makes.
>>113270471
Just do it like >>113270253 said, there's no need to denoise at 8000.
>>113270134
Use the pen tool instead, then modify the result as you see fit.
>>113270535
It won't make the results worse? I'll have to test that since it would be much faster. I'm doing it in the correct order, right? Denoise, then level. Testing different processes is slow going.
>>113269890
The only shoujo I've ever liked, and I like it a lot
>>113270469
Hmmm, I've tried that but it was quite fiddly, but thanks if there's really no other way around it.
Though in light of what else is going on in this thread maybe I could upscale the page before doing the redraws, I'll remember that for next time.
>>113270647
No, it won't make it worse. The point of upscaling to 8000 is to level it, not denoise, so that the antialiasing and tones will look better as you can see in >>113269479
>>113270693
>Though in light of what else is going on in this thread maybe I could upscale the page before doing the redraws
I tried that once before, it looked like shit.
>>113270578
Is there extra stuff you can do with the pen tool to make the line thinner?
Admittedly I didn't look extensively but don't you have to choose a tool to stroke it with, which would still lead to an overly thick line since the smallest tool is the 1px brush?
>>113270657
Same. I like it enough to really put some effort into it.
>>113270291
I don't have the scans on me right now, but it's something like this. I straightened out by left vertical edge of the panels and then by horizontal edges of the panes using skewing. Rotating ain't better.
>>113270762
Why do you need something skinnier than 1 pixel? Those lines on that hair appear to be thicker than 1 pixel.
>>113269202
That's why I'm afraid to become a cleaner unless I have a nice monitor that's been correctly color-calibrated.
How am I supposed to know? Do I zoom in all the way until I see a grid of pixels, and then check it? Mess with the contrast somehow to make it more obvious?
>>113270827
This would show it better.
>>113267103
Is this making several passes to rotate the image? Seeing it resize several times makes me think it does.
>>113267789
Based, based anon.
>>113270857
That's zoomed in 150%
The two squiggles in the middle are what I get with the stroked pen tool and the 1px brush tool respectively.
There's a pretty clear mismatch with the actual lines.
>>113271210
I'm just the new QC guy. Don't expect much out of me in the form of information. I know as much as you do.
>>113270090Are my scans okay?
>>113271249
Upscale -> Draw -> Downscale?
How the fuck do you even get into cleaning, it seems so intimidating. Are there reliable tutorials (Red Hawk, etc).?
>>113271848
>Are there reliable tutorials (Red Hawk, etc).?
Not at all, all the cleaning tutorials are outdated and no one who currently cleans has made a new one with current software that people use. RH has a typesetting tutorial which is actually pretty good but I wouldn't trust them with cleaning.
>>113271848
Install GIMP, take dropper tool to background, erase ching chong in bubbles.
So hard and scary.
>>113272006
I like you, you should join Crunchy and provide quality cleans.
Wait a moment, you guys level layers manually, without using level layer mask? Is there something wrong with level layer mask?
>>113271848
Simply redraw the entire page.
>>113270134
Perhaps try MyPaint for redrawing.
http://mypaint.intilinux.com/
How hard would it be to get into cleaning raws?
I feel like I want to give back to all the anons who gave me manga.
I've got alot of free time, I'm half decent at photoshop and a decent bit of autism.
>>113272357
Install GIMP, take dropper tool to background, erase ching chong in bubbles.
>>113272357
>decent bit of autism
That's all you need.
>>113272006
>ching chong in bubbles
>in bubbles
I wish it was that simple...
>>113272357
Use your autism, zoom in to 500%, and erase any pixels that would qualify as dust or damage so that everything is even, and then enjoy knowing that literally no one but you will know the difference.
It's rewarding, though.
>>113271284
Oh hey, scanner person. I guess so, but I don't really have any basis for comparison here being such a newbie. I know they're a lot harder for me to work with that the public raws were because I have no idea what I'm doing yet. I think once I get it figured out, the results will be nicer than what we got from when I was using the wrong files for the last batch though. Particularly, the screentones should look nicer and being able to release at a high resolution will be nice too. I was warned about cat hairs. Haven't found any yet.
>>113272387
I use PS CS6 though...
>>113272391
Yeah, sometimes it's rectangles.
>>113272391
Well, ching choing in transparent bubbles is for perverts who prefer higher difficulty setting.
>>113272456
Get CC '14, man. It comes with GIMP.
Do any of you release the 600 DPI png for spreads, etc. for people who want them? I have some Hanashippanashi spreads that I got from a thread a long time ago because the editor was nice enough to post them.
I think that should be done more often.
>>113272498
I don't know what that is.
>>113233018
get on it weebsPlease
>>113270134
Try the pen tool as mentioned - you can make filled-in areas of any thickness you want.
Would someone please picked up World Trigger.
>>113272476
>>113272471
Even in something easy like Nichijou you get text over things and not inside bubbles with a fair amount of frequency. It varies a lot obviously but I'd say on average I usually end up redrawing 10-15 things? It's usually just objects in the background or pieces of people's heads which are no problem. Irregular screentones are the ones that bother me.
That all feels like the easy part compared to trying to learn how to denoise and level properly right now though.
>>113272661
Why are World Trigger fans so impatient? Yeah, they aren't releasing weekly and it's been a while since the last release, but there are a lot of things that get released a lot slower. Just deal with it
>>113272006
>GIMP
>scanlating with GIMP
I never understood why people would do this to themselves.
>>113272803
That's not just WT readers, it's people who don't read manga much and don't know how shit works.
>>113272901
Freetards.
>>113272163
There isn't, it's just a thing of preference. Some people prefer curves layer as well instead of levels.
I do a lot of a doujin scanning but my scanner can't into png, I have a Epson Perfection V37.
I'm trying to improve the quality of my scans a bit. Is there anything better I can do than scan them as jpgs with no compression? I've tried tiff, but there's no noticeable difference when you crank the blacks up really high to check for dust and artifacts.
Pic related is something I just pulled off the scanner.
>>113272543
I downscale shit automatically with a batch action right after I'm done cleaning so I don't save them at original size. If I redraw them at original size that is, sometimes it's actually easier to do them at release size if the space between them is just a pixel or 2.
I've never seen /a/ recommend scanners. Is there not enough of a knowledge base on /a/ for that? If the scan fucks up, it's a difficult road.
What scanners do you guys use? I'd prefer one with multiple light sources.
>>113273035
I prefer scanners that will rescan page on demand and not just disappear into oblivion after initial scan.
I did about 15 scripts on the backlog this week. Almost caught up.
Released around 4 chapters.
Gonna redraw this sometime this weekend.
>>113272965
Doesn't look bad to me, but I'm not that big of a quality whore. I have a Canon Lide 210 and it's fucking awesome.
It's about three years old though, so I might invest in a new one soon.
My scans are always a little dark. Is this just something I have to accept (because I've noticed that better paper produces more level scans), or will it change if I get a new scanner?
>>113273127
>>113273239
Should be just a matter of changing the settings.
>>113273130
Yeah, the scans aren't too bad. But my OCD has been bugging me about improving.
For the paper quality of that doujin I should have dropped the contrast settings a bit more so the grays don't get leveled out.
On a scale from very to not at all, how important is it that you make all the pages in your releases the same size?
>>113273441
Considering it takes literal seconds to set the height of every page equal it's not really a matter of importance. Just do it.
>>113273495
Width should be uniform also I guess, huh? Canvas size rather than image size so I'm not screwing it all up. Guess that means cropping a bit. Oh well. A bit of grass next to a tree is no big deal really.
>>113272965
That's actually pretty good as it is now.
>>113273441
Depends on how much autism you have, I personally don't give a fuck so long as the height is the same.
>>113273495
I think he means that every page is something like 1125x1600 instead of some being 1120x1600, 1118x1600, 1126x1600, etc.
>>113273630
>Width should be uniform also I guess
Nah, that's doesn't really matter.
>>113273669
>I think he means that every page
If that's what he meant, yeah, it's a waste of time to make both dimensions uniform.
Just making all the highest equal is enough.
>>113273755
>heights*
>>113272901
I use it because I don't know a good way to get photoshop without using pirate bay and I'm paranoid about being sued by Adobe for some reason.
>>113273889
You know I don't even remember where I downloaded my CS6 from.
>>113273889
inb4 that Photoshop™ shill comes back.
>>113273889
>I'm paranoid about being sued by Adobe for some reason.
Oh god, what a faggot.
>>113269882
download the trial. its infinite and actually the fullversion.
who buy ps in 2014... get with the times u fat fucking linux neckbeard
>>113274022
What the fuck?
Stop typing like an illiterate 14 year old
Does manga even translate the sfx anymore?
>>113273669
I'm curious as to how you made the page more white and made it look less.......raw?
>>113274631
forgot image.
Not sure if I should erase the sfx in this one
>>113274643
That's what cleaning is about.
![[UTW]_Fate_Kaleid_Liner_Prisma_Ilya_2wei_-_02_[h264-720p][61CC3E20].mkv 000226.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/QBH4ue7.jpg "[UTW]_Fate_Kaleid_Liner_Prisma_Ilya_2wei_-_02_[h264-720p][61CC3E20].mkv 000226.jpg")
>>113274696
Thanks.
>>113274631
sfx are better left alone unless they're plot important. They're usually a pain to clean and sometimes they don't mean anything.
>>113274747
This one comes right into the bubble, though.
>>113274745
On a serious note you can make the whites actually white with the levels tool.
>>113274834
but it means *wink*
>>113274834
If your translator translated the sfx, you clean it and let the typesetter do the magic. Also, redrawing bubbles is easy.
Maybe it's just because I'm new to this denoising stuff and I'm doing it in a probably stupid way, but it actually made a very big difference to do the denoising at the larger resolution. Denoising at the lower resolution, the filter took out most of the noise but also messed up some screentones. At the higher resolution is only removed most of the noise. Didn't really see a different between leveling at the higher or lower resolutions, probably because I'm denoising first?
Took me a while to do the comparison though.
I assume I'm doing something out of order here or otherwise making a silly mistake.
>>113274873
Personally I redraw sound effect like sounds made by characters, such as coughing, laughing and stuff like that. *wink* falls into this category as well.
>>113274631
It's a shame most translators ignore sfx. Many famous manga have spawned iconic onomatopoeia that never caught on with western fans. Think Jojo, Dragonball, Hokuto no Ken etc.
>>113275255
No, it's because your denoising settings are too strong for the resolution you have.
>>113275255
Let me see the original raw.
>>113275341
I just like to imagine that they just can't into Japanese onomatopoeia. Helps me sleep at night.
>>113275341
it's another level of weeb to know what all of them mean
>>113275375
Are you familiar with GREYCstoration? Any useful tips for me? I found very little in the way of documentation for it online so I'm mostly just changing things at random trying to find settings that work.
>>113275516
It's a big .tif so I put it up on pomf: http://a.pomf.se/nazshe.tif
I really appreciate the help, anons.
>>113274839
Man that took me about 30 seconds, that wasn't very difficult.
>>113275646
Not at all I'm basing this on experience cleaning pages.
>>113275646
At this point I think it's either that the program might not be suited for manga or your denoising settings are too strong and so detail is lost. Here's with surface blur + topaz denoise 5. It's kind of hard to lose detail with that kind of page size though, so I'm confident the settings are too strong for the job.
I've downloaded the only raw available (shitty scanned at 1775px) for the newest JUMP in attempt to cleaning the lastest oneshot.
But when I saw the grey, it startled me...
How can I improve them? They haven't tones anymore...
Have you some tips?
>>113276243
>public weekly shounen jump raws
Nothing you can do about it, sadly. Public raws for weekly magazines are absolutely awful.
>>113276181
Speed lines look aliased now, though.
>>113276181
Ah, woops. That was actually a different page that I was working on last night. Same difference really. I get the idea. I'm pretty sure people use this GREYCstoration thing for manga all the time, or at least used to. I guess Topaz is the new hotness though and something I should look into because I like those results.
I'm moving the rips for Young Magazine the 3rd to a different folder, so the previous Mediafire link won't work soon.
https://www.mediafire.com/folder/ub5cokzffka74/YM_The_3rd
Organized by chapter, individual archives. If anyone's interested in some new serializations.
>>113276669
>I guess Topaz is the new hotness though
If by new you mean 4-5 years in use, sure. Before Topaz scanlators used NeatImage.
>>113276842
Ah well, in case it wasn't obvious already, I'm a newbie and have no idea what I'm doing.
GIMP is good enough.
>>113277123
>that awful UI
>>113277169
Corel is worse. Fuck Corel.
>>113277123
That art looks familiar. What are you working on?
>>113277123
GIMP is superior because it respects your freedoms.
However, Windows is still closed source and you are thus being oppressed by using it.
Defenestrate it (which means, either throw Windows out of the computer or throw the computer out of the window).”
>>113277292
It's Iwaaki's debut work.
>>113277376
Time for bed, RMS.
Who is your favorite translator/scanlator, /a/?
>>113277573
Me.
>>113277573
Is this the part where we samefag?
Me.
>>113270827
Hmm, the problem I have is only one of those. So just the top green square and it's because the corner that gets all stretched out is where the glass is sinking in.
It could be caused by there being something wring with/in the track.
>>113277573
Him.
>>113277573
No. As if there isn't already enough ego tripping in the scanlation scene.
>>113277573
The ones who help each other out and share scripts and actions.
>>113277590
>>113277621
Wrong answer, this >>113277656 is the correct answer.
>>113277573
Anonymous.
>>113277573
>translator
Thaifag sucks at English, but he has an special place in my heart.
>>113277573
This guy called /a/non. He's pretty damn awesome. I wonder he manages to scanlate like 100+ chapters in less than a month.
>>113277573
Yuri-ism
>>113277573
As long as they're humble enough and contribute, /a/non.
>>113277573
Daiz.
Since all(or enough) of you are in the same thread I've wanted to thank you all for the tireless and thankless work you do to keep me moderately entertained.
>>113278095
You better donate for raws next time, faggot, or I'll take my thankless work hostage.
I randomly found scans of Barefoot Gen v5. Never heard of this Open Library initiative before, but it looks like they work with Web Archive.
Also, who uploads scanlations to web archive? I mean, seriously. That's just bizarre.
>>113278095
if she didn't want to be kissed why didn't she just close her mouth or bite brown elf's tongue
I just fixed my HDD but I have to restore bunch of shit.
...Fuck, and in the end, I didn't proofread anything for the dump...
>>113278095
>thankless
The download numbers are the thanks.
>>113278317
>elf
She's a grail, anon.
>>113278625
This.
Or even the people reading on readers.
I just want people to read the shit I do.
>>113278750
>188.3k views
I consider all of these thanks.
>>113278750
The one thing I dislike is when some group take my scanlation and retranslate to their native language and does shit job at editing.
>>113278876
and don't give you credit for it.
I had one too many of this.
>>113278876
>mfw spanish groups straight translate my JP -> ENG TLs
Fuck dude, if I didn't know Spanish I probably wouldn't mind but their TL is awful word for word shit that looks like it just went through GoogleTL
>>113278967
>"No puede ser ayudado"
Worse than Hitler.
>>113278967
>translates friendship as AMIGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>113278926
>>113278967
I don't really give a shit.
To belittle everything:
>muh credit
>muh epeen
Once it's on the internet, it's out there. I'm okay with people taking my releases and doing them in their own languages in some country that I've never heard of. I'll never look at them anyway.
>>113278926
Who the fuck cares about the credit, I do my shit anonymously.
>>113278967
I blame my curiocity for checking up how bad is Russian scanlation scene. It's like watching anime with Commie shitsubs hardsubbed by Funimation.
>>113279100
I'm >>113278967
My problem isn't epeen, people can do whatever they want with the shit I upload. My problem is the word for word translation. It bothers my autism.
>>113279127
>>113279100
I'm just saying they shouldn't be going around and suggesting they made the scans and did all the editing themselves. It's pathetic and a huge pile of shit.
>>113279207
Why do you care about what anonymous BRs do with scans that you posted online?
>>113278095
It's not thankless at all. I'm just a scanner, but since it's the only thing I can do to contribute, I do it. Giving something back when you take something is fundamental.
>>113278876
I don't even mind that. It's when shit SECRET CLUB mentality groups use my scans and then hide the result under passwords and join only groups that I become annoyed. Fuck man, I don't even ask to be credited just share them. That's the entire point of why I scanned them, so people can enjoy it.
The whole 'you must felate us thiiiis much to be allowed to read the things we don't even have copyright on' attitude is shit.
>>113278967
The worst is reading English TLs that are so shittily translated it's like Google Translate.
Translation isn't just taking words from language and putting them into another. You're not a walking talking dictionary. Anyone can do that shit.
Translation is a goddamn artform. You translate meanings, not words. What are they trying to say? Why are they saying what they're saying? Who are you translating these words for? And how do the cultures differ?
If you're not thinking about all that shit, you're not a good translator.source: getting my master's in Japanese translation
>>113279274
Go back to scanlating TL-fag, you have a backlog to finish.
>>113279272
I hate making forums accounts. Even worse is where your account has to actually be approved. I'm kind of sorry for whoever actually cares about the BL scene.
>>113279265
like I said, I don't care what they do with it. I just had a demented past where I ripped and scanned raw, and there were few groups that took donation jars and shit and made it look like it was all their work.
They're not just lying to me, they're lying to everybody. That's just wrong. That's all I wanted to point out.
>>113279350
I've only seen similar shit on jcafe24, where you have to make a fucking introduction post about yourself to be able to download raws.
Is there anything good there anyway?
>>113279455
Nope
>>113279455
Dengeki Daioh and Comic Alive.
>>113279274
>Anyone can do that shit.
The sad thing is that a lot of people can't.
>>113279455
Used to be great. They die then come back then die again, I stopped caring about it
>>113279350
Forums accounts suck, but the really terrible kind is LiveJournal scanlation groups that have requirements like
>You must have an active personal journal for X months
>Your account must be at least X years old
>Write an essay on why you want to join and why you should be allowed to read our scans
Fuck those guys. I actually got stuck in a situation where one group used the raws I scanned, and then didn't approve me to join their secret club because I had just created an account and didn't keep a diary. I wasn't allowed to read the scanlations for my own fucking scans.
>>113279455
That's the only place where i saw raws of this hosted.
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=35219
>>113279455
Be happy, it used to be 10 posts back when I made my account now you just have to make 1 and then you're free to download forever.
>>113279350
>BL scene
Or the chinese scanlation scene.
>>113279534
Yep, sounds like a significant portion of chink scanlation.
>>113279534Hetalia?
>>113279274
If you take that too far you become Commie, though.
I genuinely do enjoy learning small things about japanese idioms and anecdotes from manga, and if they were replaced by western approximations rather than translated literally with a tl note then you don't get that small bit of culture.
>>113279484
I dunno.
I had a guy apply for my group once, somehow did a good job on the translation test.
Then he couldn't do a five-page ecchi one-shot within two days. I asked him what the issue was and he said he was having a hard time looking up kanji.
Found out that he was looking up every individual kana/kanji and then plugging it into different translator programs. That's why it took so long.
Had to revise my TL test after that.
>>113279553
That's never going to be done, is it?
Got nine volumes of Special Stage a couple days ago, finished reading through the first volume today trying to get a feel for it.
Gonna start scanning it tomorrow morning since there aren't any already available anywhere, fellow aut/o/bots might like this one. There are a whole lot of two page spreads too, looking forward to doing them.
>>113279607
Holy shit I remember reading that story awhile back. Still find it hard to believe someone would do that.
>>113279645
I asked hox and he said he'd work on it eventually.
Translators/scanlators tell me your opinions about the "unspoken/Unwritten rule" of not stealing your manga/project.
>>113279645
Maybe. It got dumped not that long ago.
>>112017197
>>113279714
If they haven't released it in 2 months, it's up for grabs.
Still nice to ask if they want 'help' first.
Don't fucking take my shit if I released something just this week.
>>113279553
Guess now's the good time to ask whether the link of Radio Heads raws is still alive there. Please tell me it is. I can't believe shit just disappeared from the web.
>>113279714
It began back in the early ages of scanlation when very few shit was translated. The point of it was that since there was so much manga one could work on yet very few groups to work on shit it would be a bad idea for people to work on the same thing. It's still about waste of resources, but eventually it evolved into an epeen kind of thing as well.
>>113279586
Agreed. It can be surprisingly enjoyable to learn these little things.
>>113279754
I thought it was 3 months. Or 6, I can't remember anymore.
>>113279274help me translate something anon TL
>>113279714
It all comes down to epeen. Either another group grabs the project because they want in on readers/ad money, or the original group gets buttmad because someone else decided to work on it as well.
Disregarding epeen, if the group is slow as hell or is doing a poor job, go for it. Who fucking cares.
>>113279776
>but eventually it evolved into an epeen
It was a good case ruined by faggots, so sad.
>>113279714
I follow the mangaupdates requirement for considering a group as inactive. If it's been abandoned for longer than that, then it's fair game.
>>113279755
http://www.jcafe24.net/index.php?topic=28505.0
This? Dead link. I'm sure someone can scan it though.
>>113279869
At first it was speed groups who were hated. Kind of funny that now speed groups are the more prominent ones and the tankobon only quality ones are the smaller amount.
>>113279714
There are a couple I've been sitting on for awhile. Honestly, I think I'd be a little irked at first if they got taken from under me, but if they can actually do a better job in a more timely manner, more power to them. If it's half-hearted, that'd motivate me to get off my ass and actually do them myself. Win-win either way, in my opinion, but I think most people wouldn't see it that way and would instead throw a big shit about it.
>>113279714
A year is far more than enough. And yet groups still do it and lash back anyways. On the other hand, an overnight group who does like 3 chapters in a week and then dies is far less preferable than a slow as fuck group who will, one day finish the series honestly.
>>113279583
No, though about 3/4 of what I scan is faggotry and someone did pay me to buy and scan a Hetlia book for them. But that was, against what I know about the series, just regular old dude on lady action.
There's something about fujos and attention whoring I will just never understand. It's not all of them, and I've worked with some really easy going, friendly groups but god damn if there's not a disproportionally large amount of drama around BL/shoujo scans compared to the rest. Even yuri doesn't escape unscathed.
>>113279578
Yeah, I've noticed they are pretty similar. After a few years respite, English fujos are back to water marking things again. At least it's not as bad as China yet. Yet.
>>113279714
I translate whatever the fuck I want. Of course if there's another group translating it then I wouldn't hesitate to link their work in mine.
>>113279916
Just like anime then. Everyone rushing to edit CR scripts but only a few bothers with BDs.
>>113279938
>>113279578
Does that make Chinese fujos the worst of the worst?
>>113279916
War, has changed.
>>113279938
Don't remind me.
I approached one TL once over the fact that the project maintainer was using different language scan rather then the native language, so I pointed to her about how her translations felt off, and so I offered to do joint project, since my group was doing the project and we had better quality scans.
Bitch flipped shit at me and started yapping "WELL, HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY TRANSLATION, THOSE WERE DONE BY ME, THE TEAM LEADER" and bullshit
I don't get fujos.
>>113279908
As I said in recent manga thread, I don't just want to ask someone to spend money and scan it if no one is interested in reviving dead scanlation. I just feel bad for asking to do such thing if I don't even know moon.
>>113279714
I wish someone would steal my project so that I wouldn't have to work on it anymore.
>>113267225
So guys, anyone got this script?
I do like 10 pages a day, mostly doujin and h-manga; the script I have is a miss or hit, not actually useful. But this looks pretty neat.
>>113280055
Jin, is that you
>>113280125
I bet that's FKMTKrazy.
>>113279938
Oh man don't remind me of the chinks, they still can't properly use topaz.
>>113280120
No, it's just some guy reposting his own custom script and refusing to share to get a laugh. Pay no mind.
>>113279832
no.
>>113279586
That's why you have to be careful. You don't replace 'itadakimasu' with 'rub a dub dub', that's just injecting your own humor into it. I usually do something like 'let's eat!' or 'let's dig in!' because that's something we in a Western culture might say before eating.
You have to take your audience into consideration. Are you translating for an audience who's been through this shit before? Then they won't mind an "itadakimasu". Want it accessible to people who haven't read it? Use a translator's note, or use a Western equivalent.
Also remember that you don't have to say exactly what the Japanese is saying. If someone's complaining about another character and says something like "so childish" in the literal translation, you don't have to leave it sounding so weird. You can do anything from "Grow up!" or "You're not very mature." or "How old are you, five?", as long as it's true to the tone of the character.
A good translator thinks about all this shit instead of just miming what the Japanese has said. If I could punch every translator that wrote "Don't make such a complicated face"...including me when I first started out, fuck
>>113280212
If Google TL is good for one thing, though, it at least does close-to-correct romanizing.
>>113280212
>"Don't make such a complicated face"...
What's wrong with that, I hear it all the time IRL.
>>113280212
Also, if you're a TL and can't find something in a dictionary, don't fucking make shit up.
Google the word. Literally. You'll find blog posts and other people using it.
You can also use "imi" or "to ha" after a word to search for other explanations, either from JP dictionaries or JP Yahoo Answers.
You can't translate something accurately unless you understand what's being said.
How can I help? I have free time and a scanner, nothinhg fancy, it's a canon pixma (~$80). Also, do non english groups normally translate from english to other languages?
>>113280039
>>113280190
You don't understand man. I was digging for doujins last night and the scan quality kills me inside. All the replies from Chinese fujos about how great it was with their little smiling emoticons, it hurts.
>>113277278
This is why I still use Jasc Paint Shop Pro 9 instead of Corel Paint Shop Pro X or whatever it is now.
>>113280446
I cannot even begin to explain everything that it's wrong with this.
>>113280446
>with their little smiling emoticons
Hey, hey now. You're insulting the people of the early internet age and scanlation with their fancy IE5.
