Can we discuss WoW and talk about the state of the game? I'm honestly curious about what people think about it past the memes
triggered vanillia fags pretending grinding and 100 days to lv60 is good in 3..2...1...
>state of the game while everyone is just waiting for legion
Literally retarded.
>>345444791
>all 5 major villains have horns somewhere
bravo
>>345444881
It takes about 5 days /played.
>>345444791
Played it when it launched up till WoTLK and basically get tired of its shit. Even if they have legacy server, i won't come back because i am too old for this.
>>345444791
I was a holydin for basically my entire time and I typically PvPed a lot.
My favorite time in the game was during Wrath of the Lich King you could spec deep enough into Protection to get the Avengers Shield or whatever it was called. Basically it was a shield that would bounce up to 3 targets and silence them and put the rest into holy so you had the sacred shield + flash of lights having like 70% crit chance on them. So you gave up mobility for avengers shield and high crit chance flash of lights.
You could also glyph avengers shield so it would hit one guy but much harder so you could intentionally crit someone for 50% of their hp in arena and you would also gem pure stamina as this prot/holy spec since you had a talent that converted 30% of your stamina into healing and as a result you were tanky as all fuck and still healed well enough. This spec sucked in 3v3 if the enemy could pressure since you didn't have beacon or flash but rocked in 2v2 or a very agressive 3v3.
Then Blizzard removed the spec but they didn't just make it weaker they straight up removed the ability to mingle specs with cata and forcing you into a specialization.
Now don't get me wrong I do get the logic behind pruning the talent trees, at the end of the day the majority of the 51 talent points in a tree were shit like 1% less chance to miss, or you regen 2% mana per attack or just passive stuff that didn't really matter. But there is no reason to have made it impossible to vary your character and spec 100% ret as holy or go hunter with like 1/3 talents in each tree.
So what if it's a noob trap? It's a fucking video game not some sort of gate keeper to your life, just let people play how they want to play. If some random ass spec ends up way overpowered then nerf it but if it's just strong then let it be for variety. Hell you could even buff weird specs as alternative play styles. I'd love ele shaman that runs in to auto attack every so often.
>>345445179
wew only about 120hours to get to max level
>>345444791
It's just a boring game, there's nothing really more to it. People don't play it because it's fucking boring not because of SJWs or muh nostalgia or what ever
>>345444791
>2010+6
>still playing this garbage
Wew lad
>>345445570
>>345444881
>...
>tumblr
kill yourself.
>>345446274
>tumblr
?
>>345445179
>It takes about 5 days /played.
Pretty sure the record before BC came out was 6days 20hours iirc.
>>345446336
Get lost, newfag.
>>345446481
Lmao, no one says newfags any more. Get with the times grandpa, this board is ours now
>>345444791
Raiding is still very fun in WoW and I enjoy it. I haven't played in over a year but plan on resubbing for legion. There are still a few classes that I haven't tried yet so I'm pretty excited for that.
I agree with most of the criticisms that people make against it but it's not fucked to the point of unplayability. Besides, there are few worthwhile MMORPGs out right now so I am pressured into choosing WoW for my mmo fix.
I'll be real.
I been hating on the game a lot for a while now. But my autism caused me to come back for the demon hunters.
I got in the beta and its really fun so far. Playing DH is actually pretty dope and class identity is pretty fun for the class so far. Questing is fun so far. It is what you are used to but do have interesting story moments and events.
Articfact weapons pissed me off and still piss me off as a lore fag but mechanically its nice to have something to work towards at max and gives you a tiny bit of decision making beyond your talents.
Still a lot of I haven't gotten to try but as someone who's incredibly cynical of WoW... I been enjoying it. But to be honest I will more than likely be burnt out after a month or so like always but least I'll get my money's worth. It dosnt save wow or anything but it definitely learned from the mistakes WoD made. Except the garrisons which they have a hard on for
And considering with Tokens you can play for free. I don't see why not stick around with that in mind.
>>345444791
>I'm honestly curious about what people think about it past the memes
The lore has been reduced to a parody of itself thanks to the endless vertical progression in the expansions. The world itself may as well not exist because the easiest ways to level now involve never travelling through it. There's no need to be social anymore and is actively being discouraged thanks to cross-server content. Everything is now pay-to-win. All the content is now focused on the endgame experience rather than the leveling (which is actually where most of the fun was in vanilla). It's not a BAD game but it's a shadow of its former self at best.
>>345446439
Joana, during making his notorious guide, reached 60 in 4d20h and while that was with a hunter (arguably the strongest levelling class), there also was a number of handicaps at play (absolutely no grouping up or using player-created items) that should compensate for this effect for any class.
>>345444791
It'sstill the bestMMORPG out there
It hasn't been great since Vanilla, good since TBC, or playable since Wrath.
There's no reason to still be playing retail.
>>345446727
For new players to the game, the world will still be pretty interesting to explore though. Obviously if you are on your 10th alt it's never going to be fun levelling.
>>345446806
>WoTLK
>playable
It was the pinnacle of the game.Also MoP was still good
>>345447029
>WoTLK
>normie expansion
>pinnacle of the game
>>345446738
>reached 60 in 4d20h
It was four days? You sure about that? Could have sworn it was six.
Also I tried leveling a hunter using his guide and it was oodles of fun. It's so gratifying when you're just naturally breezing through areas and running into the perfect bundles of quests that you need. One of the best bits was the route through Stonetalon Mountains and Ashenvale. You end up racing through to SM at like L16ish and visit Ashenvale at ~19, getting the flight paths and doing a handful of quests, visit the barrens in between each of those journeys to do a bunch of other quests and then back to those regions. I can't really do it justice describing it but it's such a bloody clever route.
It's in a fairly poor spot at the moment. The classes are still enjoyable and whatever content comes out is small but still fun to play through. It's a completely different game to its original release with more emphasis on solo content and a playerbase that's too spread out making it difficult to form bonds with other players
Basically it's only a thing you primarily play with friends or people you've known online for years who still play it
>>345447029
>le ebin mass casualization and welfare epics
you can always tell who played the game before wrath and who are wrathbabbies
>>345447154
CALLED IT!
>>345444881
>>345447135
>be 26 years old
>beg for 12 bucks on an online videogame board
holy pathetic batman
Warcraft 3 ruined the Warcraft universe.
When will Dragon and Ogres be part of the horde again?
>>345447221
>>345447214
heere they come!!!
>>345447221
>CALLED IT!
You said triggered. That's not triggered. I am disappoint anon.
>>345447154
>Not liking something because normal people play it
Get lost Autisman, you're no more needed here
>>345447214
>Casualization
>Raids are far more difficult than Vanilla
People fucking clicked in AQ40 and basically stood still to a kill a boss. It was all about gear
>>345446940
There isn't anything left to explore when the game is a 100% linear ride through zones with every mob and object having an obvious purpose and everything interesting and iconic (think of details like Sons of Arugal) being removed. The post-Cataclysm world also is awful in that it doesn't showcase any believable status quo (everything's destroyed everywhere, even when lore-wise it should be months since the Cataclysm eventss) while a new player doesn't have any attachment to characters like Mankrik or areas like Shimmering Flats that might have posed some interest to older players.
WoD is fucking awful in almost every way and it added almost nothing good to the game, it's even worse than cata
>>345447354
he needs to get lost because he said normie, not because he doesn't like wrath
>>345444881
but it was GREAT, leveling was playing the game, nowdays the only thing that matters its "endgame" wich is 10% of the game, but everyone rushes
>>345444791
I've played on and off since Vanilla, but the only expansion I stuck around for was MoP.
I finally quit after about 3 months of WoD because they had changed fire mage enough that I couldn't solo mobs at 100, and doing garrison chores for resources on alts was unpleasant enough that by the time I had finished I was done playing for the day.
I already felt like the time I'd spent in the game was time wasted on bullshit, so I don't plan to come back for legion.
>>345447269
I want Christian Paladins back.
>>345447402
>it's even worse than cata
Whoa let's not go nuts
Dragon Soul was a shitfest
>>345447178
It was 4d20h: http://www.furiouspaul.com/pc/wow/
>My fastest time was 4 days 20 hours and 52 minutes with a troll hunter
>>345447374
People clicked their way through 10m heroic in Wrath
Also wrath naxx was a fucking joke compared to vanilla
>>345447880
What a badass.
State of the game:
Writing and quest design is shit. They need to reign in the humour a bit. Keep in internally consistent like vanilla. They also need to reign in the drama and the dramatics especially since they can't write those for shit either. Stuff like Thrall's wedding or Velen randomly dying to give some literally WHO female acolyte we only just recsued from an orc rape dungeon unlimited power of light. It seems like it's a theme now that every starting zone needs to be bookended by something overly dramatic, aka Jade Forest and Shadowmoon Valley. Don't blow your load at the start, save it and it will be more effective and unexpected like wrathgate. They do this to draw in players so they will keep playing but it just makes them feel like they're wasting time with pointless quests after the urgency displayed in the starting zone.
Music, zone design and concept top notch as always.
Gameplay is utter shit. Every spec looks and plays the same. Best gameplay mechanically speaking was during Wotlk, when cc still mattered a lot, all classes had unique utilities and failing to cc a random trash mob could mean the difference between wiping.
The open world questing is TOO EASY. Reintroduce the threat of death and dying in the real world. This is heavily linked with ability design. Removing class utility but tuning the content to be harder is a recipe for disaster as gameplay will devolve to can I deal more damage to the enemy creep before I deal enough damage to me, instead of finding and using more creative ways to cheat death.
If they continue to strip utility, we'll end up with TSW type gameplay where it's literally just the binary abilities of damaging and healing.
The lore desperately needs a revamp. Stop resurrecting old characters and focus on writing new ones.
I just want official BC and WOTLK servers. I want to be destroyed by the painful nostalgia
>>345448802
>I just want official BC and WOTLK servers.
Why would you want to be reminded of when the series started to show its biggest red flags?
Better:
-Questing
-Raid complexity
-Gameplay mechanics
Worse:
-Community
-Lore (although some of the Broken Isles stuff looks cool)
>>345448064
That's a blatant lie, i was in my server's top1 pve guild and ICC HM10/25 was pretty hard, nobody clicked, some people were Gladiators it was for the best people only
>>345448064
>8 tank 4 horseman wasn't a fucking joke
lol ok then
>>345448943
I don't remember the gameplay mechanics of the time anymore. My nostalgia is just for Outland and Northrend and pre-Cata Azeroth
>>345448685
Apparently a lot of big characters are dying in Legion, and newer characters are filling in.
>>345444881
>100 days
More like a week of casual game will reach you 60 in vanilla.
If you really play the game, you could reach it in half that time.
New title theme is pretty dope
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiRFbU3VoWc
skip to 1:30 if you're impatient
Honestly I played from vanilla to mists. Stopped a few weeks into that expansion simply because I didn't have the time anymore with work. Things are a bit different now and I'm looking at playing again, honestly it being easier to level and get gear is appealing to me because I can't play as much as I did when vanilla and BC were fresh.
So I guess I am the cancer.
>>345449295
>that cancer feel
being pandered to feels good though
>>345449256
>a week of casual game will reach you 60 in vanilla
>Record is 4d20h
>week of casual game will reach you 60
Why bother lying? Reaching 60 in vanilla was tough.
>>345449408
Sure, if you were a buttfucking moron.
>>345448970
Just erase Cata - WoD Lore and things are gonna be fine.
Legion is looking pretty good overall. WOD was a god tier expansion at launch and suffered because of a lack of content being added to it. An issue Blizz has already promised they won't repeat
>BAWWWW ITS NOT A CARBON COPY OF VANILLA SO ITS SHIT
>>345449536
wow nice argument
>>345449701
>WOD was a god tier expansion at launch
Way to discredit your opinion.
>>345449585
Lore was retarded as early as TBC
>>345449408
It wasn't really tough just super tedious
Especially if you were a Rogue, holy shit
>>345444791
It's too easy, everything is thrown at you for zero effort. Cross realm killed any sense of community. The ease of leveling and dumbing down of classes/content (now you can buy max levels) further killed the community because now guilds have no reason to recruit "I'll just hop on my alt NP"
When a new content patch hits everyone and their Mother just plows through it in 2 or 3 weeks and if you miss out, you'd better have gold because you will have to buy a clear to ever see it.
The game has been a complete shit show since the right around the time the South Park episode aired.
>>345449720
>wow it takes longer than a week of playing to hit max level even though it's a themepark game that objectively holds your hand from 1-60 so it's really tough!
Having even a minuscule time investment doesn't make something hard, retard.
>>345449701
Abilities are pruned back to Vanilla's count and some specs, like Retardins, Warlocks and Melee hunters are a joke, which is JUST like vanilla. Vanilla fags should be flooding back for this!!
And did I mention that there's instances locked behind a reputation grind attunment!??
>>345448685
>and failing to cc a random trash mob could mean the difference between wiping.
>WotLK
What are you smoking? Many 5-man "heroic" bosses and most of the trash were soloable for some specs (like prot pallies and blood DKs) in first tier gear, and for groups they were a facerollable AoE-fest the moment you dinged 80. And as far as raid trash goes, besides a few mobs in Ulduar (Magma Ragers, Storm Tempered Keepers, the flower packs on Freya), it's the same story, their abilities literally don't matter and you just AoE them. And none of those non-trivial mobs utilize crowd control.
>>345449408
Technically you're right. If it was your first character, it would take you long time. However with enough alts, you can easily brush through the content and give yourself a 60 alt in a weeks time.
>>345449758
Not op, but it was really good at launch. God tier dungeon and zone designs, and the first two raids were really good. Garrisons may have gotten old fast, but were initially promised a lot more content to be added to them, so I would say the expansion was great at launch.
>>345449701
Blizz also promised to never drag out a raid tier as long as SoO again and look how that turned out.
>>345449817
>It wasn't really tough just super tedious
Yeah that's true, I chose my words poorly.
>Especially if you were a Rogue, holy shit
My first character was a rogue. I know that pain.
>extremely item-dependent
>you want to start fights from stealth so you spend half of the fight sneaking around your opponent
>only compensation for that is sprint
>>345449926
Never understood the logic that more CDs = better game
>how did adults play vanilla, you had to have no life and work only 6 hours a day. Everything in vanilla was a grind.
Anyways I'm 106 and completed 3 areas in legion beta. The game is the same shit. If you bored with Draenor in two weeks then don't bother wasting $65 dollaroos on legion. I warned you
GET DOWN ON THE GROUND AND SHOW ME YOUR TRANSMOGS AND EXPLAIN WHY YOU'VE DRESSED YOUR CHARACTERS THE WAY YOU HAVE
Blizzard made the expansion pricey because they know its shit and they dont intend to put a lot of effort into content. So they want to grab as much cash off initial sales hype as possible for when their sub numbers plummet again.
>>345450223
As a DK, I am honor bound to be as edgy as possible.
Game is ded mechanics wise. Just wait for CoE in 2017
>>345449141
Would be good if death meant anything in this universe. Illidan was supposed to be dead. Bolvar came back, even Uther's ghost returns to talk every year.
In any case I was thinking about new villains and entirely new factions. I miss the days when not all threats were at a global scale. Stuff like defias, gnolls and murlocs.
>>345450357
>Edgy as possible
>Wearing Blood Elf helmet/shoulders/gloves >Using a blood elf weapon
>Not edgy at all
What are you even trying with this man
>>345450223
Waiting til the middle of the prepatch to resub, so I only have an armory pic, but I use the Warlock Tier 6 because of the coloring and the cool wings when jumping.
>>345450471
I need to have green lights on my armor. I don't have a wide selection
>>345448685
>the need less humor
>but also less drama
what do you want?
>>345450357
>Tauren DK
Man fuck this lore rape. Tauren paladins, non Alliance paladins in general. Dalaran a neutral city.
>>345449768
Yeah TBC was fan service.
They should've continue the WC3 storyline as they have done in WotLK.
>>345450558
You have an enormous selection of hilariously edgy armor my boy.
>>345450635
>Lore rape
Tauren paladins are sun druids not Order of the SIlver Hand. No Lore rape has occured
Pvp will be horrible from fromage's perspective.
>Start with poly
>Trained, can't cast
>CC, cast for shit damage
>Trained again, can't cast
>CC, cast for nearly no damage again
>Still trained, can't cast
>CC
>Throw a 3 sec cast time FUCK YOU at the enemy to one-shot him
At least fire and arcane looks fun with all the adhd instants as fire, and being invisible ninja mage as arcane.
>>345450635
>THINGS CHANGE
>ALL LORE NEEDS TO STAY THE SAME FOREVER NO PROGRESSION NO NO NO NO
>>345450739
>Arcane gets to use 3 blinks back to back with no cool down between them.
>Literally a NOPE button
>>345450567
Ever played vanilla? Basically that.
"Murlocs overran my farm!" no humour, no drama, just a simple quest.
>>345450727
It's not so much lore rape as it is WoW writers/developers willing to toss lore aside for the sake of their own retarded needs.
The introduction of "Sun Druids" was brought about by about three paragraphs of "lore." There was no precursor to their existence whatsoever. I'm convinced that the Blizzard devs were tired of having to roll blood elves to be paladins on Horde and just wrote up some shit to let their retarded cow people be paladins too.
Why they never do this for other race/class combinations is what really bothers me.
>>345450442
I think once you vanquish Ragnaros, who was shaped by the titans themselves, you can't really go back.
>>345450727
>people actually buying into this bullshit...
I think the game is still good but most people who would be interested in WoW have already played it by now and once you autism for a year or more on it you kind of run out of things to do, so its natural people quit.
If I had never played wow and I went into it right now with fresh eyes I know I'd find it fun all over again, and theres few games with this much content and potential for hours played.
>>345450901
>GRRRRR ONLY BLOOD ELVES SHOULD BE ABLE TO BE PALADINS I HATE ALL THESE UGLY RACES GETTING WHAT MAKES US SNOWFLAKES!!
Let me guess, you hate Dwarf Shaman and Orc mages too, right?
>>345448685
>When CC still mattered a lot
BC, not WotLK. That entire expansion for me was blizzard/volley spam. It was why I was so excited for Cata when they claimed that the dungeons were going to be challenging again, why I was so happy to see that it was true when it came out, and why it was so much more depressing when they got destroyed in the first couple weeks.
>>345451208
Those first few weeks of Cata were prime.
WoTLK made the playerbase stupid though, so the nerfs were swift and harsh.
>>345444791
Let's just say it could have been a lot better but also a whole lot worse.
>>345450646
They followed up WC2 lore with cataclysm with Cho'gal and Deathwing.
>>345449840
Who are you quoting?
>>345451169
>Missing the point
You can make new class/race combinations. Just don't try to justify the wildly out-of-left-field ones with a mere three paragraphs of "lore" on a website. I could see tauren paladins happening if they had prepared such. As of now they've done dick shit to develop them further and we're all expected to believe that tauren dressed in armor that have distinctly human/dwarf/draenei designs is supposed to be okay.
One of the dumbest fucking things you'll see in WoW as a returning player is a tauren in judgement.
>>345444791
Im about to check the state if the game. I didnt want to spend money on game time so I asked the customer service to grant me some free time to check the pre patch changes and they gave me 10 days for free. I'll either redpill myself or like the changes and resub. Nice touch from Blizz.
>>345446738
no grouping isn't a handicap
also to really show how shit wow leveling was, I should mention that Joana's guide is filled with "grind on the way" because quest xp was so misaligned
What will I play now that they remove rogues Burst of Speed? I think I got too used to it as I use it 100% of all times when I'm not flying.
>>345451593
Demon Hunters with their double jump/glide/dash ability.
>playing a moba that requires you to grind for days before the "real game"
>>345451650
I don't think you know what anything you just said means...
>>345451512
We had NPCs talking about it in game moving away from the moon centered worship focal to Elf worshiping of Elune and instead worhsiping both of the eyes of of the earth mother meaning sun and moon. Mechnically, all paladin abilities are light oriented which jives with the idea of a sun druid.Lore wise, the light is a source of power that literally anyone can use so long as they believe hard enough.
There is nothing even mildly wrong about tauren druids. Now Goblin Shamans? Forsaken Hunters? Night Elf Mages? Thats where shit is a little iffy
>>345451593
druid
>>345451728
>Forsaken Hunters?
Nathanos Blightcaller called. Says you're a turd.
>Night Elf Mages?
More justifiable than tauren paladins given they practiced magic at one point.
>Goblin Shamans?
Fucking agreed.
>>345450107
I don't think the "number of buttons" has any intrinsic value by itself. It doesn't meaningfully alter the room for skill there is in the game (hell, in many ways, having new more powerful tools makes gameplay elements that used to have depth trivial, forcing developers to compensate by adding ever more abilities to raid bosses and players, leading to bosses feeling like a completely arcade-y dance floor clusterfuck while PvP devolves to "cooldown trading", and sometimes devs fail to add anything worthy to compensate and game ends up just trivial, like the state of healing and tanking in WotLK) because almost the entirety of differences between players come from things like minimizing movement and quick target switching rather than getting "rotations" right, and how involved a class feels isn't directly tied to their number of buttons either. In addition, adding or changing abilities can be used as a tool of homogenization, which I think is bad for the game (like every single class receiving interrupts and CC options and what have you).
However, not being inherently bad doesn't mean removal of abilities is good either. Just like adding abilities can homogenize the game, removal of abilities can do the same (removing unique abilities that provide the class an unique role, or removing iconic abilities that's responsible to its distinct character) and much more (for example, "niche" abilities actually do tend to provide the game with depth and room for skilful play since they're not in the automatic repertoire and it takes presence of mind to recognize their usefulness, fluff abilities are responsible for much of the class' identity, a game where not everything has an obvious purpose doesn't feel like an overengineered piece of shit etc).
>>345451930
tl;dr
>>345445570
1-60 is an amazing journey you fucking cuck
The best thing about vanilla is that theres challenging content at every level
>>345451968
-me, trying to understand what Nostfags are bitching about
>>345452018
>impossible to do class quests unless you are over geared or are running with a squad.
>Dungeon loot actually matters because there are no looms
>That long drag to 40 just so you can get the SLOW mount
>Takes literal hours to get a group together so when you're in a dungeon, you stick it out through thick and thin
>That sensation of fighting your way to the dungeon entrance for the first time.
>Takes a month minimum for most players to even reach cap
It was a different world back then
>>345452018
>le challenging content meme
Yeah its so fun fighting normal monsters for 1 minute, then they run away and pull or you have to sit down and drink/eat for half a minute
GREAT content really
wait lets not forget the need to farm consumables for 6hours before any raid
I've been playing on the beta for months. Ask me anything.
>>345446670
same famalam
always take a break between expansions but never dropped one as fast as WoD, didn't even make it to the hellfire patch
not even in the beta but just playing on the PTR made everything feel like it's gonna be better this time
I REALLY wish Artifacts were handled differently though, why not you creating the artifact? why not let us personalize it, I would've loved something closer to what LOTRO has with legendary items without the microjewing
>>345452256
favorite caster?
>>345451208
>>345451308
Man, timewalking Pit of Saron gave me PTSD of that period. I opted to tackle that 2 wipefest trash packs by instructing the dps to follow a marked kill order and single-target, focus-fire while I blow my tanking CDs, but even for that, some players have issue following.
>>345446274
Oh no, a well thought out rebuttal. Better call him a fag for posting an arbitrary picture related to how fucking retarded my post was.
>>345451728
Night Elf Mages and Forsaken Hunters had precedent in vanilla~wotlk but Goblin Shamans, idk.
>>345444791
i liked having a main at lvl 60, a secondary main at 40~, then a couple of alts at 20, with a million things to do
way more fun feeling than having 20 level 100s with nothing to do
>People who played already said it was shit
Pass FFXIV is shit but its fun shit.
>>345452362
New demonology warlock. Feels nice to actually have an army of demons.
>>345452597
Eh, Elves completely fucked the world over with Magic once and are responsible for almost every problem going on in Azeroth right now. I just can't see magic being a wide spread thing their culture would adopt again. As for undead hunters- in most settings. Animals have a natural repulsion to undead. I find it a little sketchy that an undead hunter could tame anything beyond undead and blight pets.
>>345449289
I swear whoever does the music is the only person/group of people who have any idea what the fuck they're doing anymore. The music is consistently good, even in most of WoD. It's the only thing that really draws you back in, only for the shitty gameplay and poor design decisions to drive you away.
>>345452786
>Elves completely fucked the world over with Magic once and are responsible for almost every problem going on in Azeroth right now
That's pretty funny. You sound like a BLM activist talking about white people.
>>345451578
Not deciding to do Blackfathom Depths and spending an hour running there from Stormwind certainly is beneficial in terms of XP. Even if you were summoned to the entrance, it wouldn't be a boost either, at least unless someone has grabbed the quests for you and is ready to share. The same goes with grinding mobs with a player with an inferior contribution to your overall killing speed (although in some circumstances it can be a boost, depending on the classes involved: imagine the boost a warrior gets from windfury and elimination of downtime and what shaman gets from someone who can actually kill stuff when buffed).
However, not everything is shit XP and out of the way like BFD is. For example, Joana's guide tends to skip most elite quests. The quests in Jintha'Alor for example are excellent (they were added mid-expansion but I think the guide was made during one of the later patches), both in terms of rewards and XP (Dark Vessels with original requirement of 10 is only worth it for one party member, though) and being able to do said quests early in a party rather than backtracking to do them yourself several levels later increases efficiency.
>>345452994
The legion literally would not be on Azeroth were it not for elves
The orcs would have never been corrupted were it not for elves.
The dragon soul would have never been corrupted were it not for elves
Literally the only issue Azeroth would have right now if elves didn't fuck us over with magic is that the old gods are still a thing. No Lich king, no orcs, no dragon problems, no alternate time lines, no Garrosh. it's all elves.
are there any good youtube videos that showcase the weird class changes, like melee hunters?
>>345453174
But you have to admit they're pretty hot.
>>345453257
Preach gaming maybe but you might as well just test it out on the PTR or just wait for the patch like, tomorrow.
>>345452750
>liking new demo
opinion discarded, demonic empowerment spam is shit and the imps feel worthless
>>345453462
>not getting the talent that explodes your imps
>>345446546
That's exactly what a salty newfag would say
>>345453545
>you have to take X talent for a spec to be enjoyable
love this meme
>>345453568
>le relic of times gone face
>>345453584
That's happened pretty frequently in WoW buddy. I've always favored melee over pansy caster shit anyway.
>>345452786
Night Elf mages make perfect sense. They were the original super-mages after all, just those that kept with the magic business became naga or high elves. It's perfectly reasonable to expect some NEs to dabble in magic still, they would just be shunned by the rest of their culture. Just like how Warlocks in every single race (except the forsaken and maybe blood elves) are outcasts that nobody likes or trusts.
>>345453912
Anyone can be anything. But characte classes reflect large swaths of society adopting a new way. Elves unanimously hated magic for what it did to them until Cata where someone opened a closet and hundreds of elf mages just fell out no problem. It makes no fucking sense. Orc warlocks? There were a shit ton of them already and at no point in any Horde were they removed. They were always kept around for their power- granted often hated for it.
>>345450223
tfw no transmogs
tfw other characters pointing and laughing at me when i visit a city
>>345447742
Cata was really fun before Dragon Soul, WoD was boring before Highmaul
what's everyone maining in legion? resto druid here
>>345454975
Can't decide. Legion is the first expansion to make me want to play several classes/specs. Some of which I never even considered before. Subtlety Rogue, Unholy DK, Enhance Shaman, Brewmaster Monk. They're all very appealing.
>>345454975
If you aren't playing Unholy DK, Windwalker Monk or ENH shaman. You're doing it wrong
Post things that make your REEEE
I'll start
>log in
>people are chatting with each other
>>345455538
>I have to reroll to the FOTM to be good at this easy ass game
kys
>>345455538
ENH looks like a meme spec with everyone rolling that. I think I might go DK so I can get fast queues as tank and deal good dmg when I need to.
How fun and good are Ret and Prot paladins in Legion? I was thinking of switching mains and the 2 things that appeal to me the most right now is DH and Paladin and I would love the option to tank or DPS.
continued from last thread
WARLOCKS GETTING FUCKED IN THE ASS SINCE FOREVER
>>345455889
Ret is okay. They got some neat new toys and their rotation is slightly more engaging than it was before. Prot was nice when I played it but it had a terrible bug during the few levels I played that made them suffer pretty badly.
Go DH if you want flashy and satisfying visuals. DH tanking is also hilariously simple and your healer can just take a nap or if they're Holy Paladin/Mistweaver they can contribute to the DPS instead.
>>345456042
Because only fuccbois play them.
>>345455321
>>345455538
i want to play a dk pretty bad but leveling is too fucking boring
>>345455837
Be a healer for fast queues. There's a large influx of Demon Hunter tanks
>>345456042
Now that you mention that, isn't Shadow Priest the new kys spec? Can warlocks still commit sudoku?
>>345455823
>>345455837
Its not even about numbers. Mechanically, these the most fun classes to play in Legion
>>345456194
I don't really care that much about flash visuals.
You can all bitch about vanilla on 4chan but I know I was having more fun at level 16 in the Barrens than basically any point WoD. I just wish there was a BC server worth shit since I never got to play that.I'm still considering coming back like the cuck I am since I have more money than I know what to do with and I know I'll at least get a few dozen hours out of it.
Alright anons how did Death Knights end up?
I wanna play some sort of spookmancer and locks got buttfucked.
I'm unironically really excited for Outlaw rogue because I love it thematically, but I'm 100% sure it will be shit due to relying on RNG.
>>345456425
I love everything about Outlaw, even Roll The Bones but the overall damage of Outlaw is really bad.
>>345456202
And yet we're the ones getting a literal succubus brothel in our class hall and the eredar twins as slaves. What does your class gets? A hall that also serves as a dungeon? Being cucked by the Light right at the end of your campaign?
Reminder to open all your Salvage Crates today because after tomorrow the value of all items inside them will plummet.
>>345456393
They are nothing like the Warcraft 2 version. Killing someone with the Death Coil ability doesn't even heal you.
>>345456383
Just go and play, Wow is still a very good game. I imagine like 90% of players starting it will enjoy it a lot. Just because people here meme "theres nothing to do" its not true. I thought so too and was bored and started and im playing like 5 hours every day for two months now. Theres just SO much to do.
>>345456586
>What does your class gets?
Good dps and usefulness.
>>345456425
from what I've played of it the RNG is obviously there but the cool down is so low and the effect is so so often in your favor it's never really an issue.
>>345456393
they say unholy is one of the most complete specs in the game
>>345452948
The art team not working on gear is still on point. Even as shit as Draenor was in wod it looked good, when you weren't forced to look at shitty Orc architecture.
>>345456617
>Wow is still a very good game
stop memeing anon
>>345449817
>>345450087
I was an idiot and leveled up as sub because I made the rogue to have stealth and dammit I am going to use stealth. Finally had a friend convince me at like 52 to go combat and it became so much easier not having to wait on being able to backstab.
>>345456393
Consensus is that Unholy DK is pretty good. With talents you can fight alongside an abomination and a val'kyr. Affliction locks, while rather boring, are pretty tough as well due to the life drain + demon skin.
>>345454975
Sticking to my Fury warrior.
have you people seen the WoW general on /vg/? it's a bunch of pandas and female blood elves and literal shemales attention whoring with selfies and transmogs. I knew the game in its current state is pretty bad, but holy shit.
>>345456318
Leveling in Legion is quicker than any other expansion because it amounts to nothing.
Unless you're a demon hunter, you don't get anything from leveling from 100-110. The only strength progression in Legion is within your artifact weapon which only really begins to level up the moment you hit 110. I don't mind running through the zones in Legion except for Stormheim which really fucking drags. As far as classes fun to play while leveling, Unholy, Enhance and Subtlety were my favorites.
>>345456702
TP portals were still a thing last time I checked. Besides, almost every expansion starts with Warlocks weak as shit only to become among the best DPS as gear piles up. Beginning will suck indeed, but the ride will become smooth later.
>>345456759
(you)
>>345456938
WoW general speaks nothing about the WoW playerbase, it's just that general is just completely full of /soc/ niggers who won't stop shitting up the place.
>>345456938
>playing with 4chan in any game
You had it coming.
How are tanks?
>>345456992
The beginning of Legion will be better for all us Gearwhore specs because they're upping the stat percentage we'll have from the start.
>>345456938
Why do you think WoW threads exist on /v/? /vg/ WoW discussion is a cess pit of failure and faggotry.
>>345450901
I think they should add in gnome druids. Once gnomergon was destroyed by the gnomes in an attempt to reclaim a small group of them swore off technology and made a pilgrimage to moonglade to ask guidance from the druids on how they could about cleansing their home with an even smaller number of them actually learn to be druids.
Telling you right now that after a month in Legion you all are going to be begging for flying. Screenshot this shit.
>>345454975
shadow priest
do rogues still have Fan of Knives? or was it given back to demon hunters?
>>345457180
Could you imagine if the general had proper moderation?
>>345457085
easy toping both heal and dps, theyre broken
>>345457357
Depends on if the zones are designed fucking awfully like WoD's were.
>>345457349
Just give up on lore excuses and add Tauren rogues already, the writing is way past salvaging at this point so they might as well go full retard.
>>345457432
FoN exists for Rogues and Sub gets Fan of Shurikens
>>345457625
BELIEVE IT!
>>345456809
how are frost dks? and most of all, what is the best spec to pvp as a dk in legion... I just love big crits in pvp as a frost
>mfw Subtlety Rogues are still called "Subtlety"
>their new abilities are distinctly calling to the Void which Blizzard is further defining via their chronicles
>Still simply referred to as the "stealthy rogues" when all of them are stealthy
Void Ninjas when
Who else frost mage here?
>>345457946
>Not using frostfire remembrance
>>345457797
Unholy DKs are the king of 1 v 1s. They can kite you all day and its next to impossible to disengage from them
>>345457830
>their new abilities are distinctly calling to the Void
what? rogues have never been a magic class, all the new class lore is garbage.
>>345458204
>rogues have never been a magic class
Sept that part where they have always been a magic class. Most of their magic was related to illusion rather than void though
>>345447135
get a job
will I be able to fly in legion at start or do i need to go achievement hunting again?
>>345458420
They're ninjas that turn invisible, that's not magic that's part of the gimmick. If they were a magic class they wouldn't be using poisons and lockpicks.
>>345457830
>spirit opposite decay
Make sense.
>fire opposite earth
>air opposite water
What?
>undead not being earth and decay
>void not being air and decay
Who the fuck even made this? They don't know shit about magic.
>>345458420
>>345458204
Only subtlety now uses distinctly shadow-based attacks. Assassination goes with the Bleeding/Poisoning approach and Combat is now Outlaw which should just be called Buccaneer since that's what they really. They're the purely physical rogues that use pistols, saber slashes, cannonball barrages and grappling hooks.
>>345455837
I'm salty as fuck as someone who's always had an enhance shaman alt since vanilla it's finny going to have functional AoE and it will be FotM
>>345456393
On the whole we lost our shit talent tiers (most classes did but DKs have had to deal with plague leech and a pointless regen tier for too long).
Unholy is good right now dps wise and mechanically the wounds don't change up gameplay as much as you would think and we don't have orphaned runes now in aoe.
Frost mechanically plays solid but the second from latest tuning patch tore its dick off and with Frost's long proud history of never being good people are worried Blizz wont touch it again after it was good all beta.
Blood for me plays better then WoD but raid blood DKs are salty about having to focus on tanking again after spending all of HFC speccing for multistrike and abusing the shit out of breath.
>>345456615
Is this bait or are you retarded?
I have a full Blackened Defias Armor set on an old shaman for some reason. If I made a rogue on the same realm would that rogue be able to transmog the set?
>>345458519
The only things on here meant to be polar opposites is Light/Void and the placements of Emerald Dream/Shadow lands. Technically there should be another space "Twisting Nether" extended past the burning legion.
But yeah this chart is all kinds of fucked up.
>>345458667
Yes. On any realm. Just be sure to log onto every character you have, each will add their accumulated armor in their inventory/quests they've completed to your wardrobe.
>>345458746
thank you
>>345458553
I know rogue mains are salty as fuck the Blizz mangled sub and made it into an edgelord void ninja but as someone who plays their rogue as a bit of fun I like the spec.
I also like that all 3 specs 'feel' different now.
>>345458126
That skin is cool too, but lava lamp staff a best
>>345456615
Why would they be?
>>345447029
MoP was a very well handled expansion, probably the most fun I've had with the game to date sans the first run of ICC.
>>345458502
>>345458553
I'm speaking strickly lore wise. The explanation in game (Class quest givers) and in novels has always been that rogues add in small bits of magic to their abilities. They are 90% physical 10% magic. When you stealth you are just sneaking around hidden from view. You are literally using illusion magic to hide yoruself from sight
>>345458994
Apparently all the cats I had on my hunters were magical too.
>>345458824
I'm dropping Rogue because I think Assassination is too clunky and shit feeling, Outlaw feels good but the damage is fucking awful and I was never much of a fan of Sub.
>PVP ratings standing
LET ME SEE YOUR OPINIONS AND WHAT DO YOU THINK WILL BE THE NEW RATING IN LEGIONfaggots
>Top Tier
Frost Mages
Frost DK
Prot Warriors
Feral Druids
Resto Druids
Holy Pally
>Mid Tier
Enhancement Shaman
Resto Shaman
Afli Warlock
Disc Priest
Combat Roughe
>Low Tier
Shadow Priest
Survival Hunter
Subtlety Rougue
Mistweaver Monk
>>345459314
>top tier
whatever race has the strongest racial plus whatever class/spec is the most overpowered at that time
>shit tier
everything elsei fucking love how all the people who rolled humans are getting ass blasted because their overpowered racial is getting nerfed into the ground.
>>345458824
I fucking love subtlety rogue and I'll be playing it almost entirely in Legion. I used to play Ret. If you told me I'd be "maining" subtlety a year ago I'd laugh at you.
>>345459191
Agreed with the assassination bit there. Too many clunky dots. They're already in the process of buffing Outlaw damage though.
Which tanks are fun in Legion?
>>345459191
I don't like outlaw, which is no surprise given I never liked combat it always felt to basic for me.
Assassination I don't mind on beta especially given you have something to do now instead of just pooling for mut half the time but I don't get was they shoved 5 dots on it it has to be up there for most dot applications per fight.
Sub just feels fun when you're questing to go void ninja on a pack, it's all the fun of being a DH without the bullshit animation cancelling and you get to press more then 4 buttons.
>>345459556
nothing in Legion is fun
>>345459556
Brewmaster and Vengeance are the most fun.
>>345459116
Hunters use magic as well, yes. Or did you think arcane shot was just a big bullet?
>>345459643
It was a cat exclusive ability that NPC cats also had nigga. I guess spiders shooting webs and vultures eating corpses were also magical?
>>345459548
>>345459590
Is Sub really that fun?
>>345459786
It's the funnest rogue spec right now. Maybe not the most damaging or engaging but they've finally perfected shadow dance and one of their talents give you some extreme survivability. Their animations are also top-notch. Unfortunately they have one of the worst/most uninspired artifact weapons but that's just a nitpick.
>>345459314
>rougue
ayy lmao frost is the best spec as usual.
>infinite cc
>hilarious damage
im curious if feral druids are worth rolling now that rogues are confirmed hot garbage.
>>345460207
>rogues are confirmed hot garbage
source
>>345459786
Ok so I main a DK and my alt is an enhance shaman I like 'spellblade' classes and as a result historically rogues never tickled me because that clearly wasn't what they're about.
Secondly Sub has historically had 'fantasy' issues it basically goes; the pvp spec to shit to the op spec with the strange multistrike mechanic that's broken as all hell.
In legion obviously blade turning has been removed (which is why WoD rogues are salty), and subs has been reworked into the shadow damage spooky magic shadow dancing guy.
Would I enjoy raiding on it? Not really is it fun as shit to sneak into a pack shadow dance and shadow step around nuking the shit out of anyone yes.
>>345460374
If sub doesn't seem fun to raid with then like all the Rogue specs aren't fun to raid with.
>>345460462
Not necessarily. Each rogue is fairly distinct from one another now. Outlaws only flaw is that its numbers need tuning which Blizz is already working on. Assassination is loaded with more complexity than the other two which makes its enjoyability more subjective.
Is rogue really that fucked now? I enjoy playing my main rogue on assassination right now.
>>345457830
>two decades later and Blizzard is still ripping off Warhammer
For people in the beta, how much harder is it for rogues in PvP now that Demon Hunters can see you while you're stealthed?
>>345460986
Warhammer should rip off Blizzard andmake an MMO that doesn't die.
>>345459786
>Is Sub really that fun?
Dom is better desu senpai
>>345461019
Demon Hunters true sight isn't passive. It's a on-use ability that only lasts about 2/3 seconds. If you know what the fuck you're doing you're going to get the drop on them anyway and if you vanish you can just throw an opener on them again.
The problem is that both DH specs are broken in PVP right now. In fact PVP balance is something even Blizzard admits is horrifically unbalanced at the moment.
I feel like they are going in the right direction, but they should demphasive large group play in favor of small group play.
Large group play has always sucked, and limits the complexity of encounters. It also makes it harder to play with just your friends and not a bunch of semi-random assholes.
>>345444791
humans as the main WoW expansion villains when?
>>345448685
>it just makes them feel like they're wasting time with pointless quests after the urgency displayed in the starting zone
This comes up with leveling overall. Maybe it's so because of the urgency factor, but frankly, leveling is a chore.
>>345461058
how did the 40k mmo go? heard it went into public alpha/beta a while ago
>>345461254
There's an alternate universe where we went back in time to stop Varian from making Lordaeron great again.
>>345461254
There have been a few of them. Vancleef and his daughter. Arthas. The dude in SFK. Shade of Aran. Necromancers in Strat/Scholomance.
>>345461249
>and limits the complexity of encounters
That is objectively false, blizzard has admitted in the past 10man modes on raids have constrained raid mechanics because there simply aren't enough bodies.
How is paladin doing in legion?
>>345461402
There's no way Eternal Crusade is going to be an MMO, just a souped up version of Space Marine's multiplayer.
I've heard that the devs got rid of all the useless people and are actually trying to make their game now.
We'll see what happens.
>>345450112
Draenor is only boring because the professions are single-player / Facebook bullshit, and there's no free roam content. Plenty surely still sub just for instanced PvP anyway.
I'm way late to the party, just joined a month and a half ago.
Biggest gripe with the game is the daily shit. Garrisons, daily quests, and time locked progression piss me off. I'd much rather sit down and play for 7 hours one day then 1 hour every fucking day. But from what I've heard legion is only getting worse with this kind of shit, so I'm not sure how much longer I'll be sticking around.
Other than that, leveling is tedious as shit the second time around and beyond. I'd like to see heirlooms give a slightly larger xp bonus or something.
>>345462353
t. 15 year old
>>345462353
buy a lv100 boost..?
>>345461572
>I've heard that the devs got rid of all the useless people and are actually trying to make their game now.
i sincerely hope so
about time someone breaks free from the chains of the early access meme
Anyone that hated WoD but will buy this is a complete shit eater. If you liked WoD (I'm not sure how but whatever) then enjoy.
>>345453174
Ishnu dal dieb my friend!
>>345462806
>Defending facebook game teir time locked progression
>FFXIV expansion comes out.
>All classes have 5 new abilities.
>WoW expansion comes out.
>All classes lose 5-10 abilities, no new abilities are added.
Why is this?
Shouldn't new abilities be a priority in an expansion?
There's no ability bloat at all in WoW. Half the classes have 3-4 button rotations.
It's not like the resources that could go to new skills are being used anywhere else. Legion is looking to be the most barren expansion yet.
I'm just confused why you guys aren't getting something as simple as new skills.
>>345462915
They've added Eldar.
They're unbalanced and missing two classes but hey, it's progress.
>>345463127
What do WoD and Legion have to do with each other?
>>345463372
Fuck off with XIV talk, HW was shit.
>>345463434
They're both World of Warcraft expansions.
>>345463434
>Same team
>Garrison is back
>Content is gated behind garrison missions
IT WILL BE DIFFERENT THIS TIME
>>345463521
You being upset isn't a very good excuse for Legion looking like shit.
Try harder next time.
Gane fucking sucks
>>345463781
lol
>>345463372
>All classes lose 5-10 abilities, no new abilities are added.
This is a lie no class is losing 10 abilities, some specs are innately gaining abilities and the talent trees are set up so you can choose to spec full casual shitter passive or take a whole bunch of extra abilities, even shitty abilities that don't impact anything you don't think about at all and you just press on CD that somehow is more complex because you press a button.
>There's no ability bloat at all in WoW. Half the classes have 3-4 button rotations.
Even if this wasn't false the majority of abilities on your bars in wow have always been conditionals, CDs, utility or something like that Wow has never had 30 button rotations like /v/ likes to imply when they're shitposting about vanilla.
WoD had some good content, but not nearly enough content to justify how long it lasted. I think most of the classes played ok in WoD. In 7.0.3 some of the classes are too simple and/or don't feel good, most of them actually feel pretty great. The content drought isn't over quite yet but in the next 3-4 weeks when we get all of the pre-expansion content the game will be worth playing.
>>345449996
Yea cc in dungeons stopped being a thing after BC. Shattered halls and steam vaults and all those heroics had like 8-10 person pulls that would fuck your tank. When they released magisters terrace or w/e the sunwell heroic was it had huge pulls too.
I know it sounds trivial to sheep x and trap y and sap z then pull. But it added a lot of flavor to those classes outside of pvp. You actually used abilities that were not only for dps.
>>345463639
>Garrison is back
It isn't. Nothing profession related is in your class hall. All you do is upgrade your weapon/send the handful (like 8 max) of minions on 3-12 hour missions. You can quests here that send you out into the field. There is no reason to sit around in your class hall.
>Content is gated behind garrison missions
Only relating to the garrison quest line. When you're waiting the hours for the missions to complete you're out in the field doing the quests there.
>>345464279
cc in dungeons was a thing in cata until they were nerfed
>>345461524
I was referring to five man's. With a small group of people you can coordinate more mechanics than with a large group.
Ten people is too much. I don't have nine friends who play WoW, so that means that I would have to recruit people I don't know, and that means the skill ceiling needs to be lower than it otherwise could be.
>>345463391
>eldar
>unbalanced
just like the last time i played 40k
>>345461537
not bad, ret is more interesting than before and you can change your rotation somewhat with talents, once you get your artifact your rotations seems even smoother
prot is pretty fun, has more buttons than the rest of the tanks actually
>>345464756
Does Ret actually get a buff when a party member dies?
>>345464814
http://legion.wowhead.com/spell=183435/retribution
>>345464814
>WARLOCK YOU ARE FUCKING USELESS SO PLZ COMMIT SUDOKU AT 20% SUCH THAT WE CAN BUFF OUR 15 RET PALADINS KGO
>>345464814
yeah, it's not even a talent, just a passive ability
20% damage increase and 30% damage from enemies reduced for 20 secs
it doesn't say it if has CD
>>345464145
>talent trees are set up so you can choose to spec full casual shitter passive or take a whole bunch of extra abilities,
This has never been the case.
For every tier of raiding there's been a best pick for every specs talents. Just because you can choose the worst possible talents doesn't make it a feature that adds to class diversity.
Just picking all the active talents saying "Wow look at this guys, now I only have a net loss of 3 abilities instead of 8" isn't very impressive, especially when you're taking objectively worse talents to do that.
>Even if this wasn't false
I actually had a bit of a laughing for at that. Did you honestly just try to tell me that any class in WoW has ability bloat? Show me one skill bar. Do it.
FFXIV players are playing with 36 necessary skills and most WoW classes are lucky to have 12 abilities on a hotbar.
>>345464814
It's just a flavor ability but yes, they get a brief damage buff.
>>345465049
I don't see why it would hace a CD.
Probably does not and just refreshes if someone else dies.
>>345465152
imagine if it stacked
>JUST DIE FOR ME BROTHERS I SHALL AVENGE YOU!
>>345447502
This.
I spent most of my time at max level just helping others and running people through dungeons.
Used to do DM runs for 1g per head.
>>345464631
Blizzard is saying that 10man bosses are actually hard to design because the lack of players makes adding mechanics hard, It follows thus that 5man bosses would be even more constrained.
This is why the highest tier of pve encounter has always been 25 mans (now 20) as more players per boss means more mechanics can be added to up difficulty.
Also since you don't seem to know what a raid is it's ok my man in legion there will be mythic+ dungeons which are hard 5 mans for people such as yourself.
>>345465075
its good for pvp
>>345465298
>39 shadow priests and 1 ret pally
>SURRENDER TO FUCKING MADNESS
>>345450058
>you could match the word record pace of 4d20h in under a week
are you fucking retarded
>>345465478
39 SPriests would be the same as 1 unless they staggered the use of Surrender.
Ideally it would be 39 RetPally and 1 Spriest, so when he died they all got a buff.
You know what my problem is with wow? I played since vanilla, I remember having difficulty and loving playing because I would manage to get past it.
Of course there were problems, taking too much time to form a group for a dungeon, quests that take you to the other side of the world and back again and shit.
But it all felt like an adventure at the time, taking the zeppelins, killing elites alone or finding people to kill it with me.
Hell I remember having to CC on every pull of fucking WAILING CAVERNS and even then we wiped for fucking 5 hours before we could finish it.
But at the time I remember having so much fucking fun with that.
Nowadays you don't wipe on anything, its just boring pull shit, kill shit, get loot, get to another easy boss with a gimmicky mechanic, kill boss, get boring loot that doesn't fucking matter.
ITS ALL BORING, EVERYTHING IS BORING, THERE IS. NO. CHALLENGE.
And when there is no challenge, there is no fun either.
The game is dead, I tried coming back on every expansion after BC but couldn't, WOTLK was at least "good", but after that its all downhill.
Just let it die.
>>345465685
Raiding is still challenging
>>345451728
goblin shamans make sense in the lore though. they scammed the elements into binding contracts
>>345465685
There is a challenge, it's just that the challenge is no longer the only option.
Mythic+ Dungeons in Legion can be a little absurd.
>>345465385
>10man bosses are actually hard to design because the lack of players makes adding mechanics hard
This is actually hilarious. What Blizzars are actually saying is that 10 man bosses are harder to mske difficult because there's less padding that can be added. Everyone know that all 25 mans in WoW are made to be clearance by 18-22 good players. The padding is just way more noticeable when you shrink that down to only being able to have 1-2 bad players who are just being carried along and "experiencing the content they paid for".
FFXIV has 8 man raids that require every single player to be performing at the top of their game. One person fucks up? Wipe.
One person not performing at the top of their game? Failed mandatory DPS check.
WoW can't have that because all players need to be able to experience all content.
>>345464969
>alright dude, you are this raids lock, you mission to to CR the first person that dies, then we need you to life tap down to 1 hp and stand in aoe so the paladin can get some higher dps
>>345465669
20 SPriests, 20 RetPallies. Final offer.
>>345465685
t. someone who never tried to progress through mythic raids
>>345465953
theres a bunch of cool stuff they can do now like that. shamans have a totem that rezes people that die within 10 seconds of putting it down. other classes have other utility but i dont play them so i dont really know
>>345465685
I don't understand why everyone has to stop having fun because you aren't have fun anymore.
>2 ret pallys deal 100 damage each
>total of 200 damage
>"die 4 me so i get buff"
>1 ret pally deals 120 damage
wow epic strats /b/ros
>>345465060
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
I said in my own post you can be a full casual shitter and pick all passives or full contrarian /v/ poster and pick all actives just to have more buttons. I never said or in anyway implied either would be optimal, that said it is the case in WoD and will certainly be the case in Legion (by design) that the optimal talents change on a fight by fight basis so there will be no 'cookie cutter spec' on the whole as it were.
I said it was false that classes had 3 button rotations and it is. As for more then 12 abilities see attached that's a non raiding alt I have set up for CMs there are also some spells (like raise ghoul and dark sim) on a hidden bar. The issue here is I'm not claiming WoW classes have more abilities then FF I'm claiming your shitpost is inaccurate which it is.
>>345465060
shamans have a lot of buttons. most of them are utility not dps though
>pallys can buff people with the three greater blessing at once
>you can buff as many people as you like
>there is no raid aoe greater blessing
>pallys enslaved to buff everyone again
at least is a 1 hour buff
>>345466336
>only dealing 100 damage
There are bigger problems here.
>>345466361
FF shitter damage control incoming
>>345466489
>you can buff as many people as you like
Just three people actually.
>>345466489
They can only have 3 up at a time
Activion was a mistake
>>345465938
Heroic 25mans (now mythic 20mans) were never designed so 18 or 15 players can carry shitters. I find the implication that WoW isn't the best in the business at top end progression raiding laughable Blizzard might suck at everything else about an MMO but they don't fuck around with mythic raids.
>>345466689
>not liking yogurt
pleb
>>345466426
>>345466361
>No classes have 3 button rotations.
Yes they do. Combat rogue and enhance the shaman are other notable offenders.
Just because you can put that many skills on hotbar doesn't mean they're all usable or can be worked i to a rotation. Most are, as the other guy said, highly situational.
Show me even one Rotation in WoW that stacks up to a MCH opener. Even one.
>>345466686
Not a problem with 15 ret paladins.
>>345466842
We are talking about Legion, which comes in effect tomorrow.
>>345444791
Hasn't been anything new to do in over a year. There will be lots of new stuff in 6 weeks. Nothing else to say.
>>345466804
>Heroic 25mans (now mythic 20mans) were never designed so 18 or 15 players can carry shitters
Yeah that's why there should so many people offering to carry you through this content with a team of 16-17 people for real cash. Just because your below average group is struggling to progress doesn't mean that it's been perfectly crafted and refined for the highest end players to never be able to have that garbage on farm.
>I find the implication that WoW isn't the best in the business at top end progression raiding laughable
Picture related.
>>345466892
Just because the optimal rotations haven't been 100% discovered yet doesn't mean blizzard has stamped out all faceroll 3 button rotation classes. In fact I'm seeing complaints that it's increased.
>>345467224
So you're speaking out of your ass with hypotheticals
I was actually falling for the Legion hype until I played the PTR. They have dumbed down every single fucking DPS spec in the game to be so easy. I felt like 5 minutes at the training dummy as every single class pretty much made me a master. It was disgusting.
I've been playing FFXIV for a while now, which has the exact opposite problem, every class is becoming way overcomplicated and you have like 3-4 entire rows of buttons that you have to press regularly. I wish there was a happy medium between the two games.
>>345465767
>>345465897
>>345466005
>>345466302
Oh yeah...
>THE FUN BEGINS AT MAXIMUM LEVEL!!!
The journey to max level used to be fun, experiencing the world and shit, not just this e-penis shit of raiding.
Even finding blues back in the day was a cool thing, like that whirlwind axe on Scarlett Monastery, people would keep that into their 40s-50s just because it was cool.
And people who raided back in the days were really something, now anyone can have gear.
I mean fuck, the game lost all of its spirit, its just:
>buy lvl 90 because everything from 1-90 now is horribly boring
>power level from 90-100 because its also fucking boring shit
>get to 100 and do more boring shit to get gear to do more boring raiding to gear more to then FIND A GUILD THAT DOESN'T SUCK AND MAYBE RAID with them
I can't understand how people still play this shit.
Oh yeah, subscribers are in an all time low right? Yeaaah..
>>345467224
> surprised content that came out a year ago can now be done easily
Why do FF shills come into every WoW thread?
>>345467324
>They have dumbed down every single fucking DPS spec in the game to be so easy.
Then you should have no problem getting into and being a part of that world first Mythic kills and getting rank 1 Gladiator.
>>345467404
Sore bottoms.
>>345444881
The sheer tedium of grinding out to 100 now is fucking demoralizing. Where I used to grind a week to 60, it now takes me 2 weeks to 100 because I can't be assed to bother with the grind. Adding ten levels on that is going to be too much.
Of course they won't lower the xp requirements. Gotta sell those level boosts!
WotLK xp curve alone is fucking ridiculous.
>>345467460
Encounter design is a completely different thing altogether. Put more thought into your posts when you reply to me.
>>345466842
>Enhance literally the only spec in the game that actually needed pruning after MoP
>3 button rotation
Nice try but no one's falling for your shit buddy.
That Arms rotation is just plain wrong it also doesn't have any talents and even with 4 piece tier it's still wrong because it doesn't have the CS window modification (kudos for trying to cherry pick the broken shitty WoD arms spec though).
As for my DK bar nothing on the main two bars is situational it's all used consistently situational abilities are on the sub and hidden bars. And again I never claimed or tried to claim WoW has more abilities then FF I only ever said the guys shitpost was wrong which multiple times I've shown to be the case.
>>345467391
Leveling has never been difficult. It's always been the case that you only ever die from pulling too much by mistake (or because laziness)
Leveling dungeons have no mechanics, which means the only way to fail is if you are naked or something.
I'll grant that Heirlooms ruin the feel of looting cool new gear, but they are optional and require a level capped character regardless.
New Wardrobe means finding blues will be somewhat rewarding again, even with herilooms, since you still unlock something.
>>345467391
>now anyone can have gear.
LFR gear is not real gear
>>345467391
Have you thought maybe it's because you are nostalgic about the memories of WoW or that vanilla was your first MMO?
>>345444791
>honestly curious about what people think about it past the memes
just say you don't want to actually know what people think if you're just going to write everything of as memes
>>345467721
>Leveling dungeons have no mechanics, which means the only way to fail is if you are naked or something.
maybe true for 1-70 normal levelling dungeons, but anything post-tbc is going to have mechanics that you're going to have to be mindful of
>>345467391
>The journey to max level used to be fun
Yes. The very first time. In vanilla. Once.
Then it wasn't again until Cata changed everything. Then it was fun. Once.
The first time through each expac is fun too.
The idea that at some point in the game it was always fun to level is completely ridiculous. Maybe it was for you, but thats just your very special snowflake opinion, and means nothing.,
>>345467560
So basically you're trash at an easy ass game.
>>345467819
>Yes. The very first time. In vanilla. Once.
>Then it wasn't again until Cata changed everything. Then it was fun. Once.
Twice on Cataclysm. Vanilla Azeroth pretty much required you to get every single quest done, but Cata Azeroth had (and has) enough zones so that leveling isn't linear, which is a good thing that 60+ zones lack.
>>345467391
>And people who raided back in the days were really something, now anyone can have gear.
right, so anyone, including you, can have mythic gear easily. totally doesnt contradict the rest of your post
>buy lvl 90
its been 100 ever since you could preorder legion
>do more boring shit to get gear to do more boring raiding to gear more to then FIND A GUILD THAT DOESN'T SUCK AND MAYBE RAID with them
or join a guild at step 1 to expedite the entire process
and play on a server with real raiders/high population so you dont have to worry about finding a guild that doesnt suck
also
>claiming vanilla is the best thing ever
>hates modern wow for having to do boring grinds
>>345467224
>Yeah that's why there should so many people offering to carry you through this content with a team of 16-17 people for real cash. Just because your below average group is struggling to progress doesn't mean that it's been perfectly crafted and refined for the highest end players to never be able to have that garbage on farm.
Yeah people are offering carries 14 months into the expansion after the the nerfs and a valour buff and on Tuesday the 40% across the board nerf to HFC. Do you think people were offering carries during progression you fuckwit?
BTW I got 13/13 in October when was the last time you were even in a raid instead of shitposting on /v/
>>345467780
He's just saying he doesn't want to see shit like >>345465685 were its just autistic nostalgiafags whining that vanilla is gone, or FF shills. He wanted opinions based on factual information from people that actually have played the game.
>>345467927
Sorry. Twice in Cata. My bad.,
>>345467819
Why did people bother playing alts then? Autism?
It WAS fun, I remember leveling 5 characters through BC and Vanilla and it still was fun, going through different routes.
This is a fact, you can't argue with that.
>>345452241
>Yeah its so fun fighting normal monsters for 1 minute, then they run away and pull or you have to sit down and drink/eat for half a minute
It actually WAS fun doing this. Its more satisfying to have to take your time and fight smart than just slice through everything all the time
>>345444791
ded
>>345467274
Legion classes have been on the PTR forever now. There are plenty of classes with 3 button rotations. It's been confirmed.
>>345467324
>every class is becoming way overcomplicated and you have like 3-4 entire rows of buttons that you have to press regularly.
That's how I felt at first coming from WoW. Just keep practicing it'll become natural to you. It's like learning a fighting game B&B, it looks impossible at first but once you do it once you can do it forever.
>>345467404
It's actually hilarious to me that you guys try to play off content being so poorly balanced that it can have groups selling clears as it being a year old when in fact that's the most current content you guys have,
Really show just how much the content draught is effecting you guys.
>>345467587
I'm talking about rotations friend. Enchantment shaman was always spam two buttons and use your proc when you get it.
Just because they're removing even more flavour skills doesn't mean that the class was overly complicated.
>>345467743
this, i have similar feelings about runescape but if i go and play that shit today i don't know how i could ever stand the grind
>>345468161
Oh it's you the XIV shitposter. Get a trip so I can filter you because it's impossible for you to not try to shit up WoW threads and enjoy XIV.
>>345468050
I remember not being able to stand leveling more than 2 characters before Cata, and the second I did not enjoy, I just did it because a buddy of mine wanted to play the game and I leveling with him.
Thats a face, you can't argue with it.
>>345444791
It's been.. How many? 7-8 years since I last touched WoW, finished schools, university and I still get sudden urges to resubscribe. I guess that's what drug and alcohol addicts feel like. I can still name most of the abilities from Vanilla/TBC/WotLK
>>345467935
grinding was fun back then, there was a challenge, the loot was fun, making friends was fun, talking shit in the general chat was fun.
every one of these points is null now.
the loot is boring.
there are no more challenging quests or challenging content until max level.
nobody talks to each other.
nobody even wipes on normal dungeons, nobody CCs because its just too easy.
nobody talks to each other at all in the game because theres no need.
all the loot until max level is horribly boring, you get even EPICS ON EASY QUESTS FFS.
get a grip man.
>>345468089
it was satisfying the first 5 times you did it. then it got monotonous and grindy
if blizz added a harder difficulty, more exp option to leveling id support it but jesus christ vanilla leveling sucked dick
>>345468161
Tell me what classes only push 3 buttons. I'll wait. Even BM, the most boring spec in the game, has more than 3 buttons.
>>345468161
>Enchantment shaman
Come on, anon.
>>345468316
>loot is boring
Subjective
>there are no more challenging quests or challenging content until max level.
True, I don't know how it is in Legion though
>nobody talks to each other.
Determines where. When people haven't done the content 10000 times people do talk in dungeons
>nobody even wipes on normal dungeons, nobody CCs because its just too easy.
That is because normal is easy, heroics and mythics might require CC and may wipe you
>all the loot until max level is horribly boring, you get even EPICS ON EASY QUESTS FFS.
What is peoples obsession with the color of gear?
troll or orc monk
>>345468531Blood Elf
>>345468447
Enchantment?
>>345450901
it should have been forsaken paladins
lore writes itself, the light free'd their minds from being scourge
>>345468531
>monk
>playing anything but panda
Le contrarian snoflaek : ^}
>>345468342
If that style of game was monotonous and grindy for you you stopped playing, you didn't whine to the devs until they changed the game into some casual snorefest.
Oh wait
>>345468316
All your complaints are a result of Heirlooms.
Heirlooms are people choosing to make the leveling process faster and easier because they prefer end game.
Can't really get around it in dungeons, but in questing you can choose to not use them and you will have a chance to die.
>>345468623
fuck off autistic midget-man
>345468089
>Its more satisfying to have to take your time and fight smart
Are you a warrior? Are you below level 40?
If yes enjoy an all expenses paid trip to whitehitsvillie no abilities required.
Are you above 40? You might get to hit cleave once or twice per pull.
>>345468625
Don't even start this. There are way too many faggots that insist forsaken can't use the Light despite numerous NPCs, even the most famous priest in all of WoW lore, commanding the Light itself.
Yes. The Light hurts forsaken. A forsaken dedicated enough to the Light would willingly burn himself to serve it still.
>>345468652
No one plays panda you fucking contrarian
>>345468619
not that homosexual just yet
>>345468652
>being a furry fat fuck
no thanks
>>345452241
Yup. Content like that kept welfare tards such as yourself out of raiding.
>price of tokens is going up
Shit I was hoping they'd go down for prepatch.
>>345468089
confirmed for never having played vanilla
>>345468817
>playing out-of-fiction in a story based game because of normie autism
They made ESO for you. Go play that.
>>345468523
>loot is boring
Subjective
its not, because now you change your equips everywhere, it doesn't matter, it doesn't even feel like an upgrade because of it, hence it is boring.
getting a blue used to feel good back in the days, it was fun upgrading your gear, getting shit with effects that mattered.
>nobody even wipes on normal dungeons, nobody CCs because its just too easy.
That is because normal is easy, heroics and mythics might require CC and may wipe you
As I said, challenging content ONLY AT MAX LEVEL, hence, boring.
>all the loot until max level is horribly boring, you get even EPICS ON EASY QUESTS FFS.
What is peoples obsession with the color of gear?
If you can get best loot even without effort, then upgrading your equips don't matter, you won't feel good about upgrading, you won't feel like you had luck or worked towards it, its just bland and boring.
Want to know how to make someone have fun? Put a challenge -> reward that challenge. Its as simple as that.
Nowadays wow doesn't have a challenge and rewards you for doing nothing.
Boring.
>>345468928
They should come down once Legion comes out since more people will be playing.
>>345449701
>WOD was a god tier expansion
I only need to mention followers and the Garrisons existing to discredit that.
>>345468247
I don't hate WoW because I play FFXIV, I hate WoW because I've been burned by it one too many times.
I'm sure most of /v/ feels that way. How many people came into this thread just to say it sucks or "lol ded".
>>345468370
I never said that a class presses 3 buttons, I said that they have a 3 button rotation.
Just because Arm Warrior has some CDs doesn't change the fact that it has a 3 button rotation.
>>345468447
It's hard to respond accurately and quickly on mobile, especially on something as buggy as the IoS10 alpha.
>There was a problem with this page so we reloaded it for you.
>>345469027
>lolicon
>furry
>>345468316
grinding was never fun. if you like grinding, good for you. its entirely subjective. i never leveled alts until cata because i couldnt stand leveling up a second time. the only challenge in leveling was an exercise in tedium. it was incredibly easy to play it safe and take 10 times as long. the only times things got difficult was when you tried to go faster.
loot being fun or boring is really subjective. i guess loot felt more rewarding because you were using shitty 10 levels beneath you gear all the time so getting upgrades felt more meaningful. i would rather have consistently good gear than getting meaningful drops
you can still make friends and talk shit in general chat. i dont understand why people complain about this. maybe the problem is that you play on a server devoid of people. go to realmpop.net and pick the high pop servers. plenty of people to interact with there
challenge is a choice now instead of being forced. you can try to solo deadmines at level 10 for a challenge
nobody wipes on dungeons because nobody pulls enough trash. if you want a challenge pull the entire dungeon at once. again, its a choice.
there is barely a need to talk to people, true. unless you choose to do something difficult, there wont be much to talk about
i never understood why people complained about epics. its just the icon color. the new prestigious and extremely rare items are mythic warforged socketed with a tertirary stat
>>345469186
>I'm sure most of /v/ feels that way. How many people came into this thread just to say it sucks or "lol ded".
>CARING ABOUT WHAT /V/ THINKS
kek
>>345468928
Of course it'll go up, more people buying the token with gold increase the price, it's not like you need gold in game atm, no point of buying a token with money
>>345469186
I was burned by XIV, do you see me making threads in XIV thread shitting on it? No because I don't have fucking autism and I know people enjoy different things.
>All the warlock specs use combo point soul shards
Lazy design.
I'll try all the warlock specs during this pre-patch. More than likely going to be affliction as I have been for years.
At least its a return to form of self healing and being tanky. I can be annoying in pvp if nothing else. Since I play solo thats all I can hope for.
Demo seems like it might be fun after they change demonic empowerment. Don't know when that'll be but it'll happen. That is pure cancer maintenance buff.
I can't get interested in any other classes at the moment. Thats probably for the best since focusing on one character is what I should be doing anyway.
>>345468161
'Enchantment' Shamans have 9 rotational abilities before CDs and talents, it actually boggles my mind of all specs you would choose the one spec that's infamous for being bloated by a bunch of shitty uninteresting, uninteractive buttons you just press on CD as one of your examples of 3 button specs.
When do servers go down for patch?
>>345468089
Go level a warrior and say that.
>>345444791
If they launched vanilla WoW servers I would pay a subscription fee to play on them.
I have no interest in playing anything other than vanilla, every expansion is garbage.
TBC: Shamen and Paladins for both factions, the beginning of Blizzard not giving a shit anymore. Garbage.
WotLK: The beginning of the removal of social elements. Garbage.
Cata: Leveling experience turned to shit, awful mechanic changes across the board, the beginning of the end
Pandaria: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Warlords: Modern WoW, a glorified facebook game.
>>345469337
hes probably thinking of elemental
spam lightning bolt and use lava burst proc
>>345469310
If you are this mad about every other class and non affliction spec you should probably not even resub. Going into an expac pissed about it doesn't really bode well.
>>345457946
>don't have to deal with a retard water elemental that pulls everything anymore if I want to play frost
shit yes
>>345468370
arcane mage has a 3 button rotation and an extra 2 buttons for cds
>>345452256
How is the new pvp system now that gear doesn't matter?
Has it made everything flaccid or has the loss of resilience made things fast again?
>>345469461
>do i fit in guys?
>>345469186
> I'm sure most of /v/ feels that way. How many people came into this thread just to say it sucks or "lol ded".
Sure, that's why we have had WoW threads up almost 24/7 for the last month. A lot of people are interested in returning for Legion. Most of the shitposting in the last 50 or so posts has been from you, unless all of you shitposters like to spam anime reaction images for no apparent reason. If you don't like WoW then that's fine, but its just silly to assume that everyone shares your views, or that your opinions are facts because you feel strongly about that matter. Why not just accept that people are going to enjoy the game regardless of your opinion and move on?
>>345469461
>HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Man, what a great argument.
>>345469386
>He didn't just send himself tonnes of cloth and max out first aid
>Leveling a warrior as your first character
>>345469535
'Pissed' is an overstatement.
Legion is showing more promise on multiple fronts than WoD did.
ok bros
arms or fury?
>>345469659
I'm not that guy but I did pvp on beta.
Shit dies pretty fast. Seems like it's far less common to have hold outs where neither side can kill anyone. That could just be because no one knew what they were doing though.
The gear change makes it more tolerable if you pvp before geared, except the pvp talents are fairly important still so you're still somewhat disadvantaged.
>>345469461
MoP was great you fucking pleb.
It had the best raiding content and they actually tried to do something good with lhe lore.
>>345469659
PVP is a fucking mess right now. Balance is near nonexistent and the dev team has awkwardly had to admit this numerous times. You still get PVP gear (selectively rewarded) and it does help. PVP talents can really change your class around but that doesn't help given you reset them for the sake of prestige and have to slog through the PVP levels all over again.
>>345469787
Everyone starts somewhere, I wanted to play a Barbarian type person when I first started so I picked a Dorf Warrior. What ensued was hell on Earth.
>>345469765
>trying to defend an expansions which is literally an april fools joke made into actual content
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>345469682
this is literally every wow thread
just regurgitating the same meme opinions and arguments to fit in
>>345470000
You're an actual child
>>345470000
thats just the lore. the actual content was good
>>345469809
Every single spec has a neat artifact to get. Tons of specs were completely reworked to be flavorful and unique within their class. And yet nothing interests you out of like 40 total specs except the one you already play.
Thats a bad sign.
>>345469940
Thats what you get for not doing the slightest bit of research before making a decision you are going to have to live with for a long ass time.
A lot of people have been saying that survival hunters are more or less shit in comparison to other melee classes, but are they really that bad?
I was planning on making one for the pre patch and feeling it out but I'm not sure if it's even worth the time.
If they are shit, are MM hunters any better?
>>345470000
>Can't come up with an argument other than Kung-Fu Panda
All your other critiques had something to do with the expansion Anon, put some effort into it.
>>345469260
Friendly reminder that I'm /v/ and you responded to me.
>>345469337
>9 rotation abilities.
No they don't.
Their rotation is Storm Strike > Lava Lash > Unleash Elements > Frost shock.
The rest of the "rotation" is situational and proc based.
That's a four button rotation.
>>345470128
They don't interest me because the archetype of the class isn't doing anything for me at the moment.
I don't even know how most of those classes changed.
If I'm not feeling an archetype, I can't play it consistently.
>>345470153
no class is truly dogshit. they arent top tier though. if you want to get into raiding as a survival hunter, you are fucked. tons of people will be playing them along with demon hunters. there will be too many melees
>>345470126
>>345470169
>mfw people are still ass ravaged over pandaren in their game full of cow/pig/snake/rat/dog/hyena/centaur men.
MoP was a fantastic expansion up until Siege.
>>345444791
The game has no more soul to it whatsoever
>>345470323
SoO was great, it's just not well remembered because of the content drought.
>>345470323
>cow/pig/snake/rat/dog/hyena/centaur men.
none of which are comedic relief joke races
>>345469841
Arms
Everyone came in their pants over fury's animations but at it's core it's just more of the same and the artifact is shit.
Arms might not be the best spec ever but they've at least tried to improve it (not hard compared to Wods abortion) and the artifact perks are pretty cool.
Legion pre-patch notes where?
>>345470432
It had some really obnoxiously designed bosses and was one of the most aesthetically shitty raids made since vanilla.
>>345470453
>none of which are comedic relief joke races
Are you fucking kidding? Tauren are walking jokes. Kobolds are literal "YOU NO TAKE CANDLE" gags.
According to Preach, death knights are the defacto melee dps for Legion
>>345470594
Unholy isn't even real melee, so just frost then? I doubt frost is better than rogues.
>>345470239
Why are you still talking about pre-legion shit?
>>345445570
lol tumblr
>>345470532
H Blackfuse makes it all worth it
>MOP literally saw the largest margin of people quitting during its time simply because of the asthetic and general themes
>Hipsters still defend it.
>>345470680
>Unholy isn't even real melee
Unholy is what is probably being referenced here. It's great in Legion.
>>345470323
>MoP was a fantastic expansion up until Siege.
>implying that Siege was not the best, if not tied with ToT for being the best raid of MoP
>implying that Timeless Isle wasn't probably the most enjoyable implementation of a daily quest hub they've achieved so far
>>345470565
Tauren are walking jokes
I don't see what you mean.
>Kobolds are literal "YOU NO TAKE CANDLE" gags
Alright, I'll give you that. Congrats, Pandaren are on the same level as Kobolds. Maybe they should've stayed irrelevant like them too.
>>345470742
Yeah, but its more a dot and pet class than a proper melee.
>>345470750
The YEAR OF SIEGE was horrific and lore wise Siege was the beginning of the end.
>>345470726
>MOP literally saw the largest margin of people quitting during its time
That would be Cataclysm. MoP had a decline in the beginning but stayed with that number until WoD when it actually increased. Cata just kept dropping every time they released subs.
>>345470239
>Lightning bolt isn't a spell
>Flameshock isn't a spell
>Searing totem doesn't exist
Procs are a part of a rotation and a spell doesn't need to have a 2 second cd to be rotational. The best you're getting out of me is 8 buttons and that's still before CDs and talents either way you're BTFO claiming enhance is a 3 button rotation.
>>345470126
It's not the lore. The april fools joke/easter egg stuff is a meme. Chen was literally a founding father of the Horde in War3
>>345470773
>Maybe they should've stayed irrelevant like them too.
I don't remember a Kobold traveling with Thrall around the Barrens and Durotan and uniting a few wild races like Chen did.
Pandaren aren't that fucking bad nor even the most offensive thing to come out of MoP. WoW transitioned into goofy cartoons before Pandaren came into play anyway.
>>345449701
IMAGE SOURCE?
>>345444791
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2lvCM-vqI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9l5ygxHVteA
Legion's soundtrack is looking good. That's pretty much all I really have to say about it.
No matter how shit the game gets, I can always rely on the music guys to at least deliver.
So what is actually coming tomorrow? Will the invasions be starting tomorrow?
>>345470702
The person I responded to said that WoD Enhancement Shaman was bloated and the rotation was already way to long so it needed to be cut down.
I'm showing him that a four button rotation isn't bloated and doesn't justify abilities pruning.
>>345470726
MOP had the best aesthetic. Only "muh deafwing muh illidan" chuuni kids don't like it
>tfw 20 fucking gb prepatch on ausbong internet
fucking kill me
>>345470993
Legion mechanics such as the Wardrobe and class changes. Invasion and Demon Hunters are 2-3 weeks before Legion launch.
>>345453584
it's basically always worked that way in wow.
The only exception in the past was Warlock and Mage in vanilla.
>>345453545
how does that talent actually work? If you have like 10 imps up at once can you 1 shot people with it?
>>345470830
The year of Siege didn't feel that bad with how much the game had to do at the time, strange enough. Everyone I know has been bored to shit with WoD for months, it wasn't the same story during MoP's endgame.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5aS-WO-Lrls
BRF was unbelievably based
>mythic furnace
>mythic maidens
>mythic blackhand
damn
>>345470954
Warcraft is a goofy series at it's heart. It's not supposed to be taken seriously because it's literally a reskin of fucking Warhammer.
The normie shitters bitching about WoW being kiddy/cartoony are newshit cancer spreaders projecting on the series. Their opinions don't fucking matter and never will.
>>345470993
No. only transmog, class changes, gear updates, removal of old stuff. No "real" new content. All that there will be to do is collect transmog, finish ring quests and other than that pvp or HFC which is now nerfed by 30% damage on all diffculties.
>>345471160
I don't think anyone care argue that WoD's end game was atrocious. Probably the worst of all end games but that's expected given WoD is the worst WoW expansion.
>>345471036
Enhancement is getting more skills.
>>345470919
>>>345470239 (You) #
>>Lightning bolt isn't a spell
>>Flameshock isn't a spell
>>Searing totem doesn't exist
They're technically abilities but they're not rotational abilities.
Summoning a pet isn't part of a rotation.
Refreshing a dot isn't part of a rotation.
And responding to a proc isn't part of a rotation.
>>345454975
Havoc DH, I love the mobility and how braindead the class is.
>>345471279
The raids were good to great
Has anyone tested Mythic Archi on PTR by chance? Is 1orb viable?
>>345471279
WoD was so shit that i spent most of it levelling alts instead of doing the endgame
>>345471309
If you ignore that it's losing like 9 skill than yes.
>>345450223
Should be pretty obvious why i went with the theme i did.
>>345445436
that was also the best spec for that fight in ulduar where you can't regenerate mana.
I agree with you with pretty much everything, launch death knight talent tree was some of the most fun theory crafting ever
>>345470323
I liked MoP, still hate pandren, not as much as i hate neo-worgen though.
Prepatch tomorrow.
>>345471685
>tfw just got scalped of rejuvination glyph for 500g then read patch notes
>there are people that hate Pandaland because it wasn't serious
Since when was WoW ever serious? Whenever it tries to be it just comes off as fucking stupid comic-tier shit.
>>345471813
The funny thing is that Pandaria actually had a lot of serious overtones and introduced a plethora of sinister forces. Most of which were predictably handed very poorly on Blizzard's part.
>>345471813
>Dogyd should just draw Lili forever.
>>345448971
Server third HLK here. I know, I know. Still, the hardest boss we fought in ICC was our shadow priest and a few healers being absolute shit eating retards standing in easy to dodge mechanics.
I remember them dying to Blistering Cold so one pull I showed them that you can literally keyboard turn and strafe out in time and they had no excuse. There are no mechanics in ICC that required keybinding and mouse turning.
>>345471196
it started out as a reskin of warhammer because GW were being the king of all jews
then they made it their own thing come WC2 onwards
>>345471341
>Refreshing a dot isn't part of a rotation
This just in affliction warlocks have a one button rotation.
I should expect this on /v/
>Enhance has a 3 button rotation
No it has 9 rotational abilities before CDs and Talents
>Enhance is a 4 button rotation because dots aren't rotational abilities, searing totem which should have 100% uptime isn't an ability and using LB off maelstrom procs don't count because I said so despite LB being our 3-4 highest source of damage.
This is just shifting goalposts the experience here. I don't get why you're obsessed with enhance why not just use hunter as your example? Or a frost DK?
its a shame they downplayed dps rotations again, something like pic related was interesting in that there was a huge damage difference between a good and bad player
>>345472305
He mentioned several times that he only know stuff because of his friend who plays Enh, so he knows nothing
>>345472305
>No it has 9 rotational abilities before CDs and Talents
Oh, so that's why /v/ is saying enhance is good now.
Because you need a meme mouse and have to memorize shit to use it properly like all the older failed specs.
Any time they experiment against the established paradigm and fuck up /v/ is always there to suck Blizzard off for it. I'm sure Enhance will have the lowest rep now and also end up below the better optimized faceroll specs.
>>345471524
Pretty neat friendo.
I don't think I've ever seen so many people crying how their spec is unviable. Whiny shits.
>>345450223
Guess the class and you'll guess why this is my transmog
>>345472726
>i am locutus of borg, resistance is futile
>>345472480
Plate spinning is not fun in MMOs. Only autists think it's a good idea.
MoP thematically actually fits WoW well better than pretty much every other expansion. Warcraft shouldn't take itself seriously because Blizzard can't write events to occur in a logical way to save their fucking lives.
>>345471524
I like it
>>345467324
Archeage
>>345472768
>Who the fuck are these people
>I bet they never fought in a Colosseum
>Fucking manlet
>I wish I was back at home like a good Presidente
>>345472726
Looks like that dwarven mage from the lore who was actually a brilliant tinker and fooled people into thinking his science was actually magic
>>345472864
oh yes its so vastly more fun to press 1 and occasionally 2
dwarf druids when?
>>345472601
Enhance has 9 rotational abilities now in WoD before CDs and talents.
In legion rock biter is back to replace unleashed elements, Ice shock and flame shock are getting binned to be pallette swapped with flame tongue and frost brand (which is way more fitting) and fire nova is being replaced with crash lightning. Plus it's getting some abilities through talents (LB is only rotational through talents) and doom winds from the doom hammer.
Apparently it's shaping up well in legion.
>>345472863
>>345472969It's actually my destruction warlock disguised as a mage/rune-smith.
>>345468316
And it's now an area Blizzard want to "look at" exactly because the boost eliminates the reason for the leveling process being gutted. They already implimented a nerf to character stats from level 1 to 20.
So... how hard are Feral Druids going to be hit tomorrow?
>>345473247
>tfw losing claws of shirvallah
fucking kill me
>>345473247
Half the specs can barely function without artifacts and nothing is tuned around level 100 so I wouldn't sweat it.
Take solace in knowing most raid fights in legion don't have much target switching.
>>345470513
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/blog/20151961/legion-pre-expansion-patch-notes-7-18-2016
>>345470594
No, it's just the one he liked the most. That's all his melee comparison video was; Subjective.
Blizzard should just copy GW and add a fuckload of abilities but limit the amount a player can use and emphasize them more over gear.I just want a good PVP MMO and GW2 is shit
>>345473247
Every class is going to be shit without their artifacts.
>>345471081
>He didn't start downloading the prepatch 2 weeks ago
>>345449256
I played casually during nost. I only got to level 32 after casually playing an hour or three every other day. Not everyone is willing to or has the time to spend 8 hours on a fucking videogame grinding to get to max level. Its not fun
>>345468312
I remeber spending my highschool years heading home asap and playing WoW. My middle school friends went to different schools so we played WoW together after school. I hated highschool so much WoW helped me not to think about it at all.
>>345473625
>B-but muh poopsock!
>>345471424
>HFC is nerfed with 30% less damage dealt and 40% less health on bosses
>Player damage reduced by 30+ %
Who knows.
>Hunters and Shaman can now equip Mail armor from level 1 (down from level 40).
>Warriors and Paladins can now equip Plate armor from level 1 (down from level 40).
>>345473813
Are they going to add plate armor as quest rewards? Or is this just for the sake of mogging?
So in Legion holy pala's will get a 2h artifact from uther.
Can you actually be a hybrid class (as you were meant to be) in pvp and smite fools with your hammer?
Grinding was fun because it was something like a trophy. You managed to reach max LvL while all the counter strike kids failed and stopped playing. It was like filter which prevented annoying people to play the game for long.
>>345473867
yeah they are
Is marksman any good? Looks better than survival
>>345451169
So you're cool with the race of religious zealots who have ten thousands years of warrior-priest tradition go without a ham handed lore blurb allowing them access to the warrior-priest class, but cows with zero prior history to anything like this getting it first is fine.
Fuck you in your hairy anus.
>>345473867
>>345473939
No. They're converting old mail to plate. Fucking hunters and shamans.
So I've been playing on the beta for awhile. Here are my thoughts, or at least the thoughts on the things that bother me.
Leveling from 100-110 is actually rather short compared to other expansions. On the beta, it felt as though getting to 110 didn't take very long and the zones themselves were a bit short (not counting Stormheim which just DRAGS) but their quest lines were mostly enjoyable. Enemies scale with your level in these zones so you can approach any of them comfortably. To a degree.
I've never cared much for scaling enemies in most games. WoW isn't much different. I've always felt that leveling up in an RPG should make your character become stronger and that the enemies you fought before are more easily defeated as a result of you becoming stronger. There are no talents or skills in Legion to obtain from 100-110 (unless you're a demon hunter) Instead, the majority of your character's strength progress is within his/her artifact weapon which accrues experience through consumable items you can find in chests, rewards from quests and uncommonly on enemies. During your trek from 100-110 these consumables are not given to you all that frequently so when you hit the next level, the only thing that happened is you getting access to another zone of quests with the infrequent visit to your class hall to upgrade your artifact weapon. Once you hit 110 though? Those consumables are thrown at you in a much greater frequency than before making it feel as though the true game only started once you hit max level as far as character progression goes. What's more is that by then you'll have reached the "Artifact Research" point in your class hall, a lengthy process that creates a consumable which permanently multiplies the amount of artifact experience you get from artifact exp consumables. I should mention that my beef with this direction is minor but what was just mentioned isn't the biggest issue, it's what happens when you level up.
>>345473940
Survival got turned into a shitty outdated melee spec
MM is boring as shit and clunky
BM is babby's first spec that is impossible to fuck up with actually 3 buttons.
Let the huntard tears flow free my boy.
>>345474076
Sorry about shamans, but fuck hunters. They deserve to suffer.
>>345473971
Bruh, all you have to do to command the light is believe hard enough. Tauren culture is centered around their goddess the Earth Mother. Both druidic and Shamanistic traditions are centered around her. It arguably fits the traditional idea of a paladin better than existing paladins who worship "The light" which is an energy source rather than actual manifestation of anything. They are sun druids in lore and paladins mechanically.
So yes I'm cool with it and you're just whining because your snow flake ass elf isn't the only horde paladin anymore.
>>345474102
Your enemies scale with you. When you level up, that scaling is based off your ilevel and almost always you will find yourself suddenly becoming weaker than the enemies you were just killing until you get better loot which isn't always available/ This concept that defies a lot of RPG reason. This is my biggest issue with Legion (besides the story) and even then it's not a major one but I thought it warranted writing about. At first this isn't very noticeable as enemies just take a tiny bit longer to kill - Except when you hit max level. The ilevel scaling between you and your enemy upon hitting max level is fairly large. Large enough that I suddenly found my paladin just barely surviving encounters without popping every cool down he had. When you hit level 110 in any other expansion it felt rewarding but in Legion the only reward is more quest lines and what, as I mentioned before, feels like the actual game beginning.
Besides that gripe? I enjoy virtually everything else about Legion. This feels like a step in the right direction for WoW. Legion is the first expansion I've played (Been at this madness since Vanilla, on and off anyway) that has made me want to play alts. I'm not talking one or two on the sides, there are numerous classes I want to max out, so much that I have no idea what to start with. Good work Blizzard.
>>345474102
How hard is it to get an off-spec Artifact? I do not plan on leveling as a Holy Paladin spamming the shit out of Denounce but I've heard it's ridiculous to have 2 artifacts.
>>345474269
Not difficult at all. At soon as you hit level 102 you can start the quest to get your second and 104 to get the third.
>>345474153
no we don't
despite what you think of huntards, every class deserves their chance at fashion
>>345444791
garrisons
heirlooms
cross-realm zoning
whoever has directed this garbage since WOTLK should be fucking fired and blacklisted from the industry
>>345474528
Sure. For every class but Hunters.
>>345474269
This is stale pasta my man. As for your question you get your artifact when you start the second one at 110 and the 3rd on at the end of your order hall quest.
You could level as ret and try and bank power but that would be sub optimal due to orderhall research and your ashbringer would suck balls.
Blizz has gone to some lengths to make levelling as a healers faster and easier though.
>>345474637
why tho
>>345474646
>As for your question you get your artifact when you start the second one at 110 and the 3rd on at the end of your order hall quest.
You sure about this? I've leveled several characters on beta and was granted access to my second artifact weapon quest line as soon as I hit 102 and the third followed at 104. Or is this just a beta thing?
>LE EBIN HUNTER H8 MAY MAY
You are literally akin to the guy who runs around spouting OVER 900 and EPIC FAIL BRO XDDD
The whole hunter trope hasn't been relevant for several expansions.
>>345474791
t. hunter
>>345474791
The sting of hunter behavior still burns even now, anon. I understand the hunter hate.
>>345474791
It was relevant for WoD. The only ranged class that had full mobility for 2 specs, which let them basically get away with anything while being super mobile and having strong survivability that no other class could boast except MAYBE rogues which are melee only. Fuck Hunters.
what druid spec will be the least shit without the artifact?
so when wardrove is added
what tiers should i keep since i can't have all
>dont event have most mop tiers
>bank full
>>345474791
>that time you saw a level 40 hunter completely fucking mana burn a level 60 mage in stv
>>345475093
What are you saying Anon? As soon as the soulbound item is in your inventory you can sell it. It's permanently in your wardrobe regardless of if you actually have it somewhere in your inventory/storage/bank.
I enjoy it, been playing since 2.3.
Go figure
>>345475069
Bear or resto. Balance is the worst. They are basically designed around the moon spells.
>>345475248
>The legion has invaded we have to work together to save all of Azeroth
>WAIT NO THE HORDE/ALLIANCE HAS A TOWER LETS TAKE IT FROM THEM
So fucking dumb
>>345475184
>can't create tiers out of the wardrove, specially tiers
its fucking worthless since the only thing i collect its tiers so it wont save my bagspace
>>345475469
Broken Shores ignited the war again.
>>345475469
You shouldn't take Warcraft's story seriously, besides teaming up every fucking expansion is boring you may as well get rid of factions.
>>345475248
>now i sent you mental messages just right away when you finish a daily mission
best lore ever created
>want to join a proper guild to do some raiding
>it's all NEETs or third worlders trying to sell heroic and mythic runs so they can RMT the gold for more chicken tendies
game is dead currently and if you have no friends outside of it who play WoW you won't have anything to do
>>345475469
Blame Genn for being an asshurt faggot. He attacks Sylvannas when Wyrnn says stop fucking being mad
>>345475631
Not like it matters, Sylvannas is a psycho bitch
>>345475617
I love it, it's a good WC3 feeling. I wish NPCs mouths were more exaggerated.
>>345475620
>One month before the next expansion hits
>HURR NOW IS A GOOD TIME TO START DOING SOME RAID PROGRESSION :)
You're a retard.
>>345475620
What the fuck else do you expect after almost 13 months of 1 raid tier?
>>345475704
Worgen please go and stay go
>>345475631
blame the undead for being literal niggers who deserve to be genocided
>playing Outlol
>>345475990
Everyone thinks she's a psycho that needs to be killed she's a literal Lich Queen
>>345475815
not like its different 1 month after the raid its released anyway
>>345475631
I'm with Genn, those fucking undead shits have had it coming to them. They need to be eradicated off the face of Azeroth.
>>345476043
Translate
Ret or Prot Paladin?
>>345476208
ret for dps and prot for tanking
>>345476073
Pretty much this
>Garrosh is an insane second war lunatic who abuses old gods and drops nukes
>Even HE thinks Sylvy needs to stop
