>AK47 is powerful, but inaccurate
>NATO guns are accurate but less powerful
when will this meme end?
>ak47
>actually an akm
>modern russian military using "ak47's"
>the ak74 is a krink/aks74u everytime
>>321483330
the AK47 is less accurate though, only the modern variants improved the accuracy.
>>321483330
The AK is very inaccurate, being a gun made in the 40s and all. It's accuracy has been compared with the M16 many times and found to be lacking.
![[SMC]_Sailor_Moon_S_96(R2_DVD.H264.AAC)[7F1B875C].mkv_snapshot_13.40_[2015.07.05_14.59.54].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/xVaAx5W.jpg "[SMC] Sailor Moon S 96(R2 DVD.H264.AAC)[7F1B875C].mkv snapshot 13.40 [2015.07.05 14.59.54]")
>>321483330
>NATO guns
>>321483330
when you stop taking game so seriously you fucking neckbeard nerd.
>>321483930
FAL, M16, M4, AUG, G36, SCAR, ACR.
All are infinitely more accurate and ready than an AK.
>>321483590
>m4 does substantially less damage than an m16
>>321483330
>7.62
>not more powerful than 5.56
>>321483330
Reminder that Russians basically ditched the AK design in favor of a near-5.56mm more accurate "NATO-style" rifle decades ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=547BKysByqM
>tfw 5.45 is better than a battle rifle round
>>321484067
There is no family of guns called "NATO" guns you ignorant noguns pleb.
>>321484260
AK round (762x39), sure
AK design? nigga r u retarded?
>>321484328
>guns used by the North Atlantic Trade Agreement
>guns used the Warsaw Pact
>>321484378
Ak74, the current issue RGF Rifle is 5.45
>>321484328
Who said anything about families, you dumb hillbilly?
>>321484260
>ditched the AK design
Pretty certain the AK74 is an AK design. That's why it has AK in the name.
>>321484474
Yeah but no. It uses near NATO caliber 5.45mm bullets.
>>321484067
Isn't the FAL basically the good version of the AK47?
>Used in similar abundancy
>Fires the NATO equivalent of the AK's 7.62
>Is more accurate
>>321484189
It would be embarrassing if someone posted wound cavities from terminal ballistic tests.
>>321484574
The internals are pretty much identical.
>>321484583
More like a bad version. 7.62x39 is a much smaller round.
>>321484574
>5.45
>NATO caliber
Very wrong.
>>321484453
>guns used by the North Atlantic Trade Agreement
>North Atlantic Trade Agreement
>>321484702
>The internals are pretty much identical.
Holy shit, you're an idiot.
>>321484702
>bad version. 7.62x39 is a much smaller round.
Please stop saying words.
>>321484574
You can get 7.62x39 AKs.
You can get 5.45 AKs.
You can get 5.56 AKs.
They are all AKs. Changing what they're chambered in does not make them any less of an AK.
>>321483330
>Inner Sphere mechs look like trash cans
When will this meme end?
>>321484838
FAL isn't even really an assault rifle, it was initially supposed to use an intermediate cartridge but muh NATO standards, muh big boolits.
>>321484583
The FAL is extremely inaccurate when fired above semi-auto
Can somebody explain why the FAL has that crazy stock?
How do you use the sites and shoulder the stock at the same time?
Why is the stock so curved upwardly?
Why is the stock 3 feet long?
>>321484626
7.62 is sure deeper
>>321483590
You do know an akm is literally a catch all term for any AK modernized right? You do know that an ak47 that fires 7.62x39 can be considered an AKM for the simple fact of it having a muzzle break right?
Your not some COD europoor who only ever held a airshit replica correct?? Tell me I'm right here, I don't want you to seem like this much of a dumb bitch.
>>321485082
What are you, some kind of manlet with short arms?
>>321484583
7.62x51 is much larger than 7.62x39 senpai
>>321485086
I wish I could educate you.
But I feel it would go above your ability to understand.
>>321484067
this to be completely honest family
why they continue to spam the AK-47 meme and shit on these guns is beyond me
If you shoot someone with a gun they're probably going to die. It's weird how games act like there's a significant difference between AK / M4 / shotgun type weapons. Especially how they act like shotguns are melee weapons. What a fucking meme.
>>321485010
7.62x51 is better than 7.62x39.
>>321485082
I don't see anything wrong with it
>>321485045
>anything
>regularly used above semi-auto
>>321485214
If you're tall, then tell me how you break your neck to make your head level with the sights while shouldering the stock.
>smaller cartridges are less powerful, but more accurate
>larger cartridges are more powerful, but less accurate
When meme is end??
>>321485335
I'm aware of this but the FAL is beyond shit tier at that. Like, worse than the AK47
>>321485316
For a DMR or GPMG? I guess. For a supposed assault rifle - a relatively light weapon with full-auto option? It's shit.
>>321485045
Full auto is for suppression.
>>321485082
there is nothing wrong with the length or positioning of the FAL stock.
this post is b8
>>321485332
Some FALs have stocks that curve upwards. Why is this?
>>321485425
For an assault rifle there are better options for 7.62x39.
Like, almost anything.
>>321485294
>implying every one of those nato plastic toys hasnt been spammed in every modern war game
>when only a handful of games portray the warsaw weapons correctly
>>321485424
Nobody uses full auto except squad gunners friend.
>>321483813
No they didnt you little retard.
The AK47 isn't inaccurate it just has a vastly shorter effective range and later models didn't do anything for that, it improved the control slightly but not much else. I love my AK but I wouldn't trust it past 150yrds.
>>321485534
>I love my AK but I wouldn't trust it past 150yrds.
What an awful shot, you shouldnt even own a weapon.
>>321484583
I know your funposting and I still got triggered... Here's your (you)
>>321485515
>For an assault rifle there are better options for 7.62x39.
I assume you mean "then"? Yeah. I mean, Russians did switch for 5.45 eventually. The point is, 7.62 NATO is even worse in that role, so there's no way FAL is a "better version" of an actually successful assault rifle.
>>321485510
go to your LGS or gun range and ask if they have a FAL of some sort, questions like these can only be answered once you hold them for yourself.
or watch a video of someone shooting one, I dunno
>>321485150
Sorry buddy, you're flat out wrong.
AKM was an actual designation for the stamped reciever version of the AK47. The reciever is what's important. That only applies to 7.62x39.
>>321485432
I know what the fuck it's for but when a RPK is more accurate than your battle rifle, that's shit design
>>321485432
That can't be right. No one is going to suppress you for very long with with a 30 rd mag and a 750RPM fire rate.
Full auto is for lethality.
>>321484453
>ak design
>/////AK///// 74
>>321485723
5.45 is an improvement, but, not much of one desu.
It's really just a necked down 7.62x39.
>>321485628
>I don't know what effective range is
I have my SCAR16s if I ever wanted to do some real work but if im running around my ranch or woods and want a good rifle I can bear around I'll grab my AK.
>/v/ pretending to know things about guns
>>321485150
>You do know an akm is literally a catch all term for any AK modernized right?
Not really, it's identified by a slant cut muzzle brake, stamped reciever, 45 degree gas block and ribbed dust cover.
Compare it to an ak10X series rifle like the ak103 which has a smooth top cover, ak74 style muzzle brake, 90 degree gas block and foldable stocks and you can see the difference.
>Your not some COD europoor who only ever held a airshit replica correct?? Tell me I'm right here, I don't want you to seem like this much of a dumb bitch.
You're trying way too hard to pretend to be some firearms guru and you seem to be projecting a bit too much my man.
>akm is literally a catch all term
You really don't know shit, sorry to say.
>pic is my ak"m" ;^)
>>321485839
>ranch
You mean your slightly bigger than average back yard
>>321485771
>Full auto is for lethality.
>>321485828
see
>>321484326
fuck tard
>>321485839
>scar 16s
Okay friend, I believe you.
>>321485534
The AK has bad sights and it's barrel literally curves when you see it fired in slow motion. It's inaccurate at all ranges.
>>321485941
Well it sure isn't for suppression. Not with the reasons I listed.
>if you shoot in semi-auto your TTK will lose to faggots who hipfire at full-auto
Then why even add the option.
>>321485771
Full auto isnt legal
Stock over 30 isn't legal
XD
Guess what, in the military, with full auto versions they can use ~more than 30 bullets~
>>321484626
>53gr didnt do anything
WOW WHAT A SURPRISE
What a shitty chart.
>>321485532
the AK-47 is a meme weapon because for some reason it's better than it actually is even though a lot of guns do a better job. Sort of like Derrick Rose.
>>321485920
Enjoy not having any ammo in 5 years you special snowflake
>>321485975
Decent AKs get around 2 MOA with good ammo and a good shooter.
It's not the world's most accurate weapon but it's innaccuracy is massively overblown.
>>321485958
What now fuck boi
>>321486223
Because that's how much the fucking projectile weighs you donk.
>there's people who unironically participate in caliber war arguments
>there's people who unironically and wholeheartedly think there's any noteworthy terminal ballistics when you compared 5.56,5.45 and 7.62x39
>there's people on this very board who perpetuate this stupid dickmeasuring circlejerk like a bunch of schoolboys that don't even own guns
>there's people right the fuck now that do not consider things like how comfortable they are with shooting a gun and being proficient in using them
If you're really that worried about which boolet duz mure dumige, you're a really terrible shot and it's completely irrelevant when you're riding a guy down with a full magazine.
>>321486310
I have 15 spam cans, don't worry about me famo.
>the only 5.45 that exists is surplus
>>321485150
>You do know an akm is literally a catch all term for any AK modernized right?
/k/ here...good power bait bruh.
>>321486126
They don't, though. Most FALs use 20 rd box mags and most 5.56 rifles use 30 rd mags. All are full auto. The full auto is for putting more bullets into people. Not suppression. You can't use full auto to suppress with 20/30 rd mags.
>>321486223
>WHY AREN'T YOU COMPARING NON ARMOR PIERCING AMMO AGAINST ARMOR PIERCING 5.45?
Faggot.
>>321486432
We're on /v/, friend, not /k/.
>>321486394
>not spending 300$ more to get the gun in a caliber that actually matters
16s does nothing a good AR-15 wont do.
>>321486394
those boot stocks always look so funny.
Since we're on the topic of guns, can anyone explain to me how the bullets actually feed into this gun? I'm curious about the mechanical aspects of it.
>>321486457
not even bait, some people are actually this retarded.
>>321486432
>there's people who unironically and wholeheartedly think there's any noteworthy terminal ballistics when you compared 5.56,5.45 and 7.62x39
There's measurable differences.
>>321486598
feed into the barrel*
AK47 is cheap and good
NATO guns are expensive and gooder.
>>321486398
who's this semen demon?
>>321486598
The answer is that it was designed by people who weren't thinking about how it actually functioned, just how it looked.
>>321486558
The kid in the Honda talks shit about my ferrari
>>321486432
>using clown caliber
>>321483330
They need to contrive a difference in the weapons so kids will use them differently in games.
>>321486598
Like any other pistol? Isn't that a magazine under the grip?
>>321486126
are you from califonia.
full auto is legal in most states.
>yuros have nogunz of note and are cucked to shill Russian slavguns
my sides
>>321486728
i think the original gun had the clip fed through the front of the trigger guard just below the barrel. would that have made more sense?
>>321486432
>loose the argument
Y-you guys are dumb for even discussing this!
Stay classy kid
>>321486394
That foregrip looks uncomfortable.
What's the objectively best assault rifle today?
>>321486598
It's based on a Fallout 2 gun, which had a magazine in front of the trigger guard, except I guess they didn't want to make an unique animation for this one (though they did for the SMG) so it has a mag in the grip, except the grip is so curved you have to question how the hell does it work. VIDEOGAMES.
>>321486865
because the grip is curved the clip doesn't align straight with the barrel or am i wrong?
Also how does this gun work?
>>321486991
Europoors need not reply to a thread about guns.
>uncle has like 75 guns and wants someone to talk with and show them to and shoot with
>don't know guns but want to learn
how do I not say something dumb
teach me /k.
>>321486991
They're not, actually.
>>321486998
There isn't one, objectively. There are a whole lot of different weapons that do just about the same thing and it comes down mostly to personal preference.
>entire thread of people who've never fired a gun commenting on minutia and trivia in an attempt to signal how well read and experienced they are
>>321486998
SCAR. It's super light. It can work underwater. It's reliable. It's accurate.
>>321487104
"Teach me about your guns."
>>321487161
Not everyone, just most of them.
>>321486954
I'm still waiting for your retort.
Please continue, I really don't want to "loose" this one!
>>321486998
There is none. But it can be agreed that the ak and ar15 both share a large amount of aftermarket and pretty much peak in performance and practicality.
There is no definitive "best" gun. No question. Each gun has their pros and cons and it's up to you in order to figure out what works for you and what doesn't. It's completely up to your preference.
>>321487161
Yes.. And?
It's a good exercise as to how intelligent you can be for those 99.9999999% of things in life you haven't experienced directly but have done your homework on
>>321487104
Lurk /k/, watch handcock45, join a real gun forum, read a few gun books.
>>321486998
gas piston AR
>>321487104
If your uncle's a cool guy, he'll just help you learn.
Make sure you tell him you're not a pro with guns.
Or just take me to your uncle and I'll shoot his guns with him.
>>321487104
"Your memes. Give them to me."
Russian weaponry > USA weaponry.
>>321487036
PPsh is such a great shotgun in that game!
>>321487104
"Hey uncle I want to learn guns please teach me."
>>321487276
That's like saying go to /o/ if you want to learn about cars, or go to /v/ if you want to discuss video games. This webpage is the last fucking place to actually get information unless you want to sift through 1 good post and 100 others acting like tools.
Go and do research on gun forums that aren't full of retard hicks who can't go 1 second without mentioning the 2nd amendment, all you want are answers not lectures.
everyone is going to have a different opinion
>>321487306
>Or just take me to your uncle and I'll shoot his guns with him.
>>321486223
>>321486396
>>321486542
ADDED:
52.5 grs is the weight of the 5.45x39 FMJ, non AP ammo.
It is being compared to other forms of ammunition that are not armor piercing.
Also:
An armor piercing round is DESIGNED to expand LESS and stay in tact.
So for armor piercing rounds, a NARROWER permanent wound channel is typically expected.
>>321484453
It's North American Treaty Organization (NAMBLA), you fucking dumbass
>>321487404
they have a lot of meme weapons though
>>321487036
when u shot it pushes the shell back
>>321487186
IIRC the assault rifle SCAR was found to be sub par in testing but the battle rifle SCAR was goat.
>>321487603
You recall wrong fuk boi
>>321487569
>not allowed to have pistols with stocks in the us
>>321485534
>implying you would ever need to fire a weapon other than to look cool
>>321487569
cool so I can shoot an animal and start cutting up the meat instantly
>Thompson/M16/M4(depending on the era) is incredibly versatile, powerful and well-rounded for any task
>start off with 300 rounds, can burn through that in a matter of minutes, forced to use AKs/Nazi Guns because it's the only thing with any ammo available
The Uzi is PURE FUCKING SEX i fucking love that gun and every time it's used in Video Games
>>321487732
>this is what liberals ACTUALLY believe
>>321487186
>>321487603
>>321487678
The last I heard about the SCAR, field strip was a bitch and recalled jewelers tools.
Not gunsmithing assembly. Regular field stripping.
>>321485839
>SCAR16s
>>321487825
That's the civilian legal semiautomatic version.
What's the problem my man?
>>321487780
>wanted a full size uzi because ofblack ops
>hold a select fire one one at a gunshop
those shits are surprisingly heavy
>>321487823
>recalled
HURRRR
Required.
>>321486954
>>loose
>>321487780
Fuck off jew
>>321487823
Are you a retard? I honestly want to know before I go and BTFO of you and find out I rekt a mentality challenged kid. I'd feel bad.
>>321487797
hes right. even if you have a ccw that doesnt mean you should put yourself in situations where you would have to use it.
retards like you think you are hot shit and wish you could shoot someone, while responsible people with brains realize they buy guns knowing the odds of actually using one in self defense is slim.
>>321484935
>/k/
>having guns
what a dumb image
>>321487276
>Join a real gun forum
>Implying /k/ isn't the realest.
>>321487541
>NAMBLA
>North American Man/Boy Love Association
kek
>>321486126
>Stock over 30 isn't legal
topkek, m8. Also full auto is legal, it's just hard as fuck to acquire since it needs to be NFA registered before 1986
>>321487763
>The TP-82 pistol (Russian: TП-82) was a triple-barreled Soviet firearm that was carried by cosmonauts on space missions.
>It was intended as a survival aid to be used after landings and before recovery in the Siberian wilderness. The upper two smoothbore barrels used 12.5×70 mm ammunition (40 gauge), and the lower rifled barrel used 5.45×39mm ammunition. The pistol could be used for hunting, to defend against predators and for visible and audible distress signals. The detachable buttstock was also a machete that came with a canvas sheath.
>>321488034
>"I put in a seat belt because I hope to get into an accident"
This is what your liberal engineered straw man sounds like.
I know you love getting cucked so its hard for you to fathom but those of us who want to defend ourselves and our loved ones don't dream about the day.
>>321488020
>Are you a retard? I honestly want to know before I go and BTFO of you and find out I rekt a mentality challenged kid. I'd feel bad.
This is information I learned second hand.
I meant to say required, by the way.
If the SCAR's Field stripping isn't retarded, that's fine, and what I heard was wrong. I'd love to know more about what's involved. Someone else said there was a thin metal liner inside as well.
Can you confirm or deny?
>>321487823
https://youtu.be/tAMsNipVpI4?t=3m41s
so hard
>>321487404
space race was about rocket tech, moon landings were secondary PR fluff
>>321487404
>first
>first
>first
We're the ONLY ones on the moon, faggot.
>>321487271
>he's never shot a gun
>>321488271
no you fucking faggot, i live in south dakota dont try to act like a fucking tool. you are the type of retard that should go through a mental evaluation and are the type of people that make up shit on the internet and like to act tough about how you would shoot all of those le niggers that would break into your parents house.
you use a gun in self defense if you directly are threatened with your life, a situation you should try to avoid in the first place
now fuck off kid
>>321488243
cool memeguns russia
>>321488365
Well shut my mouth.
Feel free to call me stupid then.
That's cool, I will watch that whole video later. His videos are always really informative.
>>321488332
>pop out two take down pins with your thumb
>slide the trigger group forward and off
>slap off the stock
>pull out the recoil spring
>slide the bolt carrier back
>pop out the charging handle
>slide the entire bolt carrier out.
You have literally field stripped the entire SCAR 16 & 17
>>321488442
Oh I skimmed it
yes I've shot a gun but there's plenty of people who never have who know more than dipshits who have
One week on /k/ and you'll know more than 90% of gun owners frankly
>>321488464
>being self reliant is a mental disorder
Liberals ladies and gentlemen
>>321488537
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzPUQC0xMYs
>>321488628
Very cool.
Thanks for bearing with my dumb.
I also didn't realize it was a short stroke piston.
That's kinda neat to see that.
>>321488858
>call you for being a fag
>LOL LIBERALS XD
holy shit, go back to /k/ where everyone will play along, my state most likely has better laws than you so you arent going to strike a nerve
k now that I've seen a gun with a meat cleaver built in can someone recommend me a gun with a razor or perhaps a tire iron
>>321488858
>self reliant
You know that in tests 9/10 times owning a gun makes the situation worse because most people aren't actually willing or able to use it properly. You may think you are, as do most people that own them for self defence. But odds are you aren't.
>>321488464
>you use a gun in self defense if you directly are threatened with your life, a situation you should try to avoid in the first place
I own guns and I don't see the problem with this.
However.
Saying:
"You only shoot guns to look cool" is also silly.
DESU:
It's fun to go shooting, or hunting, or any sporting activity. You target shoot to learn how to shoot and get better and more proficient. And there's really no other way to get better than to do it. You're dangerous to yourself and other people if you own a gun and you're not proficient with it. So learning to shoot it and how to use it properly is important.
Having fun while you do so doesn't mean you're a bad person.
>>321489194
>it's scary, you should just bend over and take it.
Okno
>>321489194
>You know that in tests 9/10 times owning a gun makes the situation worse
Not according to the british home office.
>>321487036
Like this
>no gun with built in flask
>>321489353
But...where does the bolt go?
>>321489218
to be fair, i didnt say that, i came in after that post.
i think gun nuts are fucking retards, and yes there is a difference but whatever. i love shooting and guns are fucking cool, but i sure as shit dont want to have to shoot a person
>>321489353
but how does the barrel rotate?
>>321489118
>k now that I've seen a gun with a meat cleaver built in can someone recommend me a gun with a razor or perhaps a tire iron
>with a razor
Gochu familia
>>321483330
Rhodesian Bushmaster > Slavshit
>>321484626
Ballistic gel is not an accurate representation of a body, it is just a consistent medium for comparing different bullets. What a bullet does to a block of gel is very different from what it does to intricate layers of flesh, bone, fat, sinew, and fluid filled cavities.
>>321489489
Anywhere it wants. It's a quantum bolt.
>>321489118
How about a knifegun?
>>321489353
ah, the tommygun
heck of a shotgun
>>321488635
>One week on /k/ and you'll know more than 90% of gun owners frankly
I'd agree with that. I actually browse /k/ a lot. I won't say it's my main board, but probably my second most visited. /v/ being my third.
Anyway, while I agree if nogunz do their research, they can learn a shit load and learn more than some hasgunz, but actually holding a firearm in your hand, working the action, and putting a round through it will help their knowledge greatly.
I dunno, there's just something about actually doing it instead of just reading about it that helps your understand it better.
>>321489645
Is that a Webley revolver?
>>321489525
I was thinking about that while looking at the image.
Despite the animation never changing (and lets face it, this is bethesda they have no fucking idea).. there is clearly a key on the front and you crank an internal spring with it.
Or something. I mean there's a key right there to turn it nothing else makes sense. But Bethesda doesn't have any clue how guns work. The hammers don't even move in FO4, pistols just jerk backwards when you fire.
>>321489710
>thompson is the only gun that takes drums
The FO3 shotgun design is fucking retarded though, don't get me wrong.
>>321489603
Absolutely true in every respect.
I COULD be wrong, but that may be a test from a pig cadaver.
>>321487504
Fairly sure those are courtesty cadaver tests. Likely pig.
Likely.
>>321485387
The entire point of that curvature is so you don't have to break your neck. Maybe you haven't realized but your head is in fact above your shoulders. Well, maybe not yours...
>>321489578
>he actually took the time to tape his mouse to his gun, write a note, take a picture, and upload it
Not him, but I'm impressed, guy.
>>321489725
What's your first
Aks are outdated shit.
Anyone still using them is probably an outdated shit with a boner for Soviet bullcrap or a terrorist.
The M4 is light years more efficient on a battlefield.
>lightweight
>easily handled/less recoil
>advanced scope/more accuracy
>grenade launcher attachment
Goddamn you fags are pathetic for bonering over outdated shit.
>M-M-MUH AKS!
fuck off already. It had its time but we are more advanced now.
Fun balance and tradeoffs are more important than realism.
Next question.
>>321489935
>but we are more advanced now
Go on.
>>321484626
>5.56 explodes inside you
Does this actually happen in human targets? If it does is it more lethal than 7.62x39?
>>321489932
10 bucks says /pol/
>>321489974
Have you told your parents that you're gay?
>>321489935
I bet you like Fishguns too faggot
>>321490056
You just triggered the tumble argument..
>>321490056
Fragmentation, not explosion, yes and yes. If it happens is highly dependent on bullet construction and velocity.
>>321486083
It's for attaining fire superiority through suppression, once their heads are down you can relax your rate of fire.
There's a reason why every squad has a belted weapon and riflemen rarely if ever switch to auto bro.
Someone send this thread to /k/
>Be from a redneck family
>Have a few shitty handmedown guns for shooting possums and snakes more than anything.
>Confused by all the gun fetishists who never fired a gun or spend all day fanboying particular calibers.
Y'all are weird
>>321489935
>be M4
>get jammed
>>321490040
you noticed how even Russia doesn't use the AK anymore?
Yeah, the human race has moved on...its time for to you aswell.
Next you'll tell me how cool the Tommy gun is...lol.
>>321486551
>implying /k/ isn't terrible
>>321489932
/pol/
I swear it's for the actual politics, not the stormfag stuff. After the elections we'll see where I end up.
Ah who am I kidding, it's an anonymous imageboard. GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW 14/88 HEIL HITLER
>>321490092
Like it was hard to guess, senpai.
>>321489935
You don't buy an AK for operations where you can go back and sit in an FOB afterwards. You buy an AK when you need a gun that you can abuse to hell and back and still have it work like you expect it to work. The fact it isn't advanced is it's biggest selling point.
>>321490056
It fragments while 7.62x39 sorta sails.
5.56x45 vs 7.62x39 is really overplayed
Also bullet type largely takes into account, there's a difference between m855, m193 and more premium shit like smk and hornady tap
>>321490056
>Does this actually happen in human targets?
Based on pig cadavers:
Yes.
>If it does is it more lethal than 7.62x39?
Again, based on those same tests?
Yes.
5.56x45, while not TECHNICALLY a frangible round, fragments while inside soft targets when it reaches a certain velocity. Past a certain distance, this obviously becomes less reliable. How far is really a point of contention.
>>321490232
>tumble argument
This is a thing?
Oh god.
>>321490294
> If it happens is highly dependent on bullet construction and velocity.
You forgot barrel length in some cases. the mk262 works better and has a better "window."
>>321490425
You don't buy an old AK* I should say.
I'm sure the newer ones like the 102 or whatever it is are perfectly competitive guns for their task.
>>321490383
Russia still uses their AKs, anon.
>>321490380
>>321490425
>>321489935
People who don't know anything about guns
>>321490416
God fucking damn I owe that other guy 10 dollars
>>321490397
It's autistic but the level of knowledge is definitely a LOT higher than /v/ in this matter. That's like being smarter than a retarded child, but still
>>321490459
In reality, I'd say the main advantage of 5.56 is that less weight = more boolits you can carry, all things equal.
I still prefer 7.62 though because I like fucking around and watching cinder blocks shatter when I shoot them.
>>321490536
longer barrel = more velocity.
>>321486998
Factory probably a SCAR or that AR clone from HK. Maybe just maybe the new MTAR.
With aftermarket options a DI AR15 (or AR10) will beat all of them on performance and price.
>>321487303
Nah, gas pistons don't belong in the AR15. Enjoy your carrier tilt, weight gain and accuracy loss.
>>321490536
>tumble argument
>This is a thing?
>Oh god.
mention 5.45 on /k/ and you will usually see this. I own an ak74 and can confirm this is a thing among other akfags
>>321490675
>I still prefer 7.62 though because I like fucking around and watching cinder blocks shatter when I shoot them.
That's good on you. You know what you like
>>321486998
The fish gun.
>grandpa use to only have hunting rifles and shotguns.
>visit for christmas
>he now owns a ar-15, some sort of ak-47 variant I'm not sure about, and 4 handguns ranging form .22 to .45.
>ask him if he thinks somethings going to happen.
>"Something is bound to happen anon."
Not even worried. Wondering if he'll let me shoot them with him.
>>321490671
Find me a better cheap, durable gun than the AKs (well, technically Norinco type 56s mostly these days but still)
>>321490831
Take that back you whore
>>321490794
What's the best caliber to create sex toys
>>321490916
He's right though, sounds like a cool guy.
>>321490594
People hunt with aks.
yes, really.
Do they work?
yes, really. 7.62x39 is pretty similar to .30-30
A very popular deer round.
So using that round on deer is fine.
>semi autos on deer?
Most states allow this.
>what about magazine capacity?
You use a smaller magazine.
If you get caught with a magazine on your person, or even in your vehicle the DNR will take your kill.
Possibly your gun.
And possibly your vehicle
And possibly your license. Not obeying all hunting regulations will get your royally fucked in all sorts of ways.
>>321490945
An M4
>>321490794
>unzips
>>321490993
Well, you can presumably hunt with whatever you want (with varying degrees of wasted meat and legalities I'm sure but I'm not really a hunting person)
I'm largely talking about military application.
>>321483330
Korobov was here
AK47 is shit
Why do people who know they've never handled a firearm and lack general firearm knowledge always act like they know everything about them? The ignorance in this thread makes my head hurt.
>>321490983
.50bmgand I mean sticking the entire cartridge in your assand wear a condom because lead is a safety hazard of course
>>321490993
>If you get caught with a magazine on your person
larger magazine.
The state determines how large of a magazine capacity you can use.
Some states say 3 rounds.
Some 5.
some 10.
It all depends on your state's legislature.
I don't know of any states that allow 30 rounds, but - that's something else.
>>321491039
>M4
>cheaper than a type 56
>>321490991
I dont' blame him. It was just fucking surreal when my grandmother was showing me the glock he bought her. She opened up the case and sat it down of a tilted pile of books while she was looking for the ammo in her desk.She use to be certified crazy as in she went to a mental hospital when she was 30.And now she has other mental problems like narcolepsy.
>>321491169
It's underage and noguns (see anyone connection from australia or eu) with nothing of substance to actually contribute so they resort to pedantic shitflinging and autistic shitposting.
It's the same on /k/ but to a lesser extent.
Anyone worth a shit to discuss guns with is already past that shit along with caliber war bullshit.
>>321490794
Speaking of 5.45:
What's the price tag on 5.45 these days?
I can't imagine it's very good after the whole obama speech time to freak out.I have a weakness for .22LR. I'm sorry(I'm not sorry.)
>>321491169
Movies, TV and video games lead people to believe they know more about guns than they really do. They build up a cognitive bias about this and genuinely start to assume they know more about guns than most people. Teenagers do this a lot.
>>321490945Mosin Nagant
>>321489853
>I COULD be wrong, but that may be a test from a pig cadaver.
Very clean and consistent drawings of a cadaver then.
Problem with cadaver testing is that no two bodies are the same and the way the bullet goes through all the flesh, bone, etc is different every single time as well. It's a great way to test the efficiency of a round on its own but it's lousy for comparison unless you shoot a shit ton of pigs and use the data to average the most common wound patterns of each round.
>>321485010
What are you talking about, FAL round is slightly smaller than .30-06 which is a rifle round. Standard 7.62 nato is probably hotter 30-06 just has a slightly longer case but 30-06 just started to come around at the start of smokeless powder and 7.62 went through way more testing and standardization. FAL was a good attempt at a repeat fire detachable box magazine style weapon, AK's were just a simpler design that had way more industry geared toward making it.
>>321485082
yeah that's a crazy long stock been a while since I looked into fals I think it's just because it has part of the firecontrolgroup in it or something or to hold onto the receiver it doesn't have a recoil system in it like an M16 to explain why it's really bulky haven't seen a fal disassembly in a long time don't remember. I don't even wanna know how much that thing weights, carried around and slept with an M16 enough times to think fuck this thing is heavy I bet my forefathers had it worse with full sized rifles, then i found out m16 is 8.8 pounds unloaded fucking m1903 bolt rifle is pretty much the damn same. FALS look heavy as fuck though.
>>321489935
AK was a good design there really are not that many semi rifles like it, it's old but it works. It just has shit for tolerance specs which is why the parts move well under bad conditions but the accuracy is bad. M4 is a good weapon I really like it but there is talk of replacing the gas system which is nearly identical to the AK with one that is identical to the AK.
>>321487471
I hear this "4chan is where enthusiasts get together to shitpost; you won't actually learn anything here" opinion a lot, but I actually disagree. When you baby newbies they get bored and quit, and the specialist forums you're talking about are full of their own agendas and prejudices that go unchecked because their moderation is less lassez-faire than 4chan. Better to tell him to lurk /k/, refine his bullshit detector, and use it as a jumping-off point for actual research.
>>321483590
>>>/niggertwitter/
>>321491562
Is it time?
>>321491562
It's a shame that nuggets have been going up in price. Not sure why - probably something to do with strife in ukraine or some shit.
I'd just hate to see them go the way of SKSes where they've gone up a couple hundred bucks over where they should be.
>>321483330
As soon as 7.62 stops being a larger and harder to control round than 5.56.
Just don't tell devs that Russia has used its own 5.56 round for decades.
>>321491467
I bought 2 crates one for ~$450 and another for $340 iirc last year from some dude so I paid ~22cpr and ~16cpr.
You'll usually find 7n6 surplus for ~25cpr now which I don't find to be all that worth it now. It's the same price as modern production 7.62x39 now.
>mfw was going to buy 6,000 rounds the day before it got banned from import
>mfw everything was gone in a blink of an eye overnight
>only held back not buying it because didn't have an ak74 at the time
>>321491784
Meant Russia has been using 5.45, my bad.
>>321489974
This desu senpai.
>>321491856
>game has russian military with ak74's
>uses 5.56I really didn't care, mgsv's gun customization was pretty neat
>>321491658
Stop posting, you noguns fuckhead.
>>321491758
What price are they at now?
>>321491732
It's always time.
>>321491843
>5.45x39 banned from import
Ok I seem to have been out of the loop for a while:
Why?
>>321489935
>Ak74
>slightly heavier
>much less recoil
>much more reliable and durable
>ergonomic grenade launcher which loads much faster
>folding stock
>can accept anything anything an M4 can with a railed receiver
nigga you don't even know
>>321492029
calm down autismo
This thread is filled with the same fags that start Fallout threads on /k/, isn't it?
>>321489194
>in tests
You mean like those rigged as fuck ones where a person who has literally never held a gun before is given a 15 minute brief and shoved into a "mass shooter" scenario where they are directly singled out and eliminated immediately?
>>321492034
Well I haven't seen any in stores for some time now and online they're started to get up into the mid 200s (+ shipping/FFL fees and such, of course). Gone are the days of 100 buck nuggets
>>321492034
Should I get a mosin?
>>321492052
to my knowledge
>some retards (radom) break the unspoken rule: don't fucking make a 7.62x54r "pistol" or 5.45 "pistol" or you will get surplus import banned
>border patrol informs the atf about this
>atf then does tests to verify if 7n6 is armor piercing
>atf is a host of mental gymnastics like having rules of "armor piercing pistol ammo cannot be imported"
>anything larger than .22 caliber in diameter with a steel core, able to be fired out of a "pistol" is to be banned
>5.45x39 isn't even .22, it's a hair smaller
>5.45x39 isn't even armor piercing in the first place
>lolno ban it anyways lmfaobecause reasons
tl;dr atf is dumb/corrupt and will shoot your dog
>>321492034
>>321491732
Forgot to post:
>>321492495
they are like a $100. You're acting like this is a huge decision.
>>321492125
Let him be a jerk if he wants to be. I'm not trying to be 100% accurate just giving a generally difference these are a lot of separate topics and they're somewhat dry to study individually.
He's sort of right about me being no guns, I probably should buy one of my own to practice instead of just using the issued stuff.
>>321492709
>they are like a $100
Have you been living under a rock? They haven't been $100 in almost 2 years.
>inb4 my uncle's buddy's dad's shop still sells them for 3 farts and a tic tac
>>321492495
I had more fun shooting some guy's m44 than any of my guns (slr107 not pictured)
And immediately regretted not buying one instead of my ar15 as my first gun, now that the cheap mosin ship has sailed. And ammo availability decreasing and prices rising doesn't make it that worth it as it used to now.
Trust me, mosins are fucking fun
>>321492540
>Not already having one.
>>321492931
Whoops.
>>321492495
>>321492931
Despite growing up with a dad who loves to hunt I was never that interested in guns. Always computers instead. Never too late to start though.
has assault rifle design peaked? what innovations are left?
>>321483330
The AK47 uses a 7.62x39mm round which is much larger then the average round in most NATO rifles. Plus the ak47 lacks all the anti-recoil tech that NATO weapons do.
>>321486991
It's not. The ergonomics of using a rifle aren't really intuitive. If you look closely at operators or competition marksmen using weapons, they look like retards.
That particular style of grip at least somewhat compliments good form. The straight one people are used to seeing is cheap and only for retards trying to look cool. It's also extremely impractical for shooting prone.
C-grip master race.
>>321493415
In my opinion, yes they did with the ar and ak.
>what innovations are left?
I think bullet technology and maybe caseless ammo will be the next thing then energy based weapons. But for now, cheap and widely available ar15's are really fucking up there.
>>321493635
>then energy based weapons
Fucking never. Ballistics for life.
>>321483590
>AK47s
>They're all actually Norinco 56s
they'll put electronics in guns to correct for wind drop and recoil
Like in cameras to autofocus, etc.
>>321493580
>anti-recoil tech
Please go on, I'm dying to hear you explain this.
>>321493728
>then smokeless powder and semi automatic weapons
Fucking never. Flintlock for life.
Weapon technology is always advancing. I'm not saying it's going to be possible in only a few years, maybe centuries. But then again, whatever it is, its going to have to be big to actually warrant a huge change in every armed force's arsenal.
>>321493835
this is already a thing, somewhat
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSw4XMOzk4I
Nikon and Canon should try making guns
>>321494098
Energy weapons vs. projectile weapons is a much bigger change.
>>321493415
Bullpups
Cased telescoped / caseless / plastic case ammo
Bigger boolets
Deprecation of assault rifles and intermediate cartridges as powered armor finally arrives
Directed energy alternatives
>>321494685
You heard him, get to work!
>>321494794
>tfw you will never live long enough to see how far weapons technology has advanced
>tfw you will never buy a chemrail gun from the gunshop and disintergrate bricks with it in your backyard on a friday afternoon
>>321494794
Really bullpups is about the furthest you can go right now, with the amount of money the US has to spend i'm sure they could make something good.
>>321495047
bullpups are actually shit
>>321485407
when vidya learn to accept that firearms aren't balanced for gameplay purposes.
>tfw I've wanted a .22LR or whatever is cheapest for target practice
>tfw had depression before
it's tough alds
>>321489578
oh my
>>321495512
>.22lr
>cheap
do I have some news for you
>>321495512
Having depression does not necessarily preclude gun ownership in the US.
Where do you live?
>>321495512
>can't enlist, buy a gun or even be a rent a cop because i had a suicide attempt when i was 14 on neopets
off to college for me lads
>>321495631
It's still the cheapest.
>>321483330
the kalash is p much the best gun ever made so of course a vidya needs to do tradeoffs to balance shit. get over it
>>321495748
but doesn't make it worth it
>>321495805
I think I saw you on /k/.
It's threads like this that make me wish 4chan had it's own board dedicated to weapons.
Wouldn't that be cool?
I still have an AUGboner even if it's not the best.
>>321486394
nice airsoft, tranny
I don't give a FUCK what anyone says.
This shit was kinda overpowered in source. People could just run around the corner, land two body shots and you would die from 100+ in 2.
I know AK's have godly headshot accuracy but when you play full rotation for hours you start to realized the M4 was fucking bullshit
>>321485975
All barrels curve wtf
>>321487404
Who fucking cares, we all lost, we don't give a shit about space anymore, at least nowhere close to what we used to.
At this pace we are never gonna explore the galaxy before we consume this planet, all we can hope for is more Mars robot landings and more small space science/experiments right outside our planet.
>>321483813
an AK, like nearly any other firearm, is only as accurate as the shooter. if your sights are properly set up, and youre firing with flawless technique in a sterile environment, you're generally going to hit what youre pointing at.
When it comes to vidya, the
"accuracy" aspect usually refers to how likely you are to hit something when firing full-auto from the hip, which means it is chiefly dependent on the weight of the firearms, the cartridge used, and the weapon's method of managing recoil
>>321494794
bullpups are trash
bigger boolits won't work because people have already been immunized using smaller boolits
powered armor would not be issued to every soldier and wouldn't replace regular soldiers, just like tanks and jets did not replace ground troops.
energy weapons are the flying cars of weaponry
>>321486394
>forward angled grip
I bet you grip that forward angled grip really tightly.
>>321483330
It's fairly true to life. 7.62x39 will punch through concrete easily, .223 won't.
>>321495805
>>321495631You're trying to convince people to stop buying .22LR aren't you? Sly puss.
>>321496237not really, it's not worth buying if it's 8-10 cents a round in my opinion
>>321487404
The moon was the finish line, I don't know what kind of races you participate in, but generally the first person to the finish line is the winner.
>>321496159
Size of hole > depth of hole.
A person is generally not deep enough that penetration is required past 30 cm.
>>321492540
is this a picture for ants
>>321496282
I've not had a problem getting rounds for less than that.
Right now prices for EVERYTHING guns related is high due to panic buying.
Panic always dies down though.
>>321496106
In Counter Strike, 'Accuracy' is the first shot accuracy when fired from a standstill. 'Stability' is how accurate it is when moving. 'Recoil' is the accuaracy loss the results from rapid fire.
In general, guns in CS are 'accurate' to a point, but the bullet can veer off by a degree or two, resulting in a miss at longer ranges despite the mouse cursor being directly over the target.
>>321496470
People are panick buying right now? Over what?
>>321487768
Only because the amount the player shoots is unrealistic.
7 magazines (210 rounds) is, by doctrine, considered a full combat load for an infantry rifleman with an M4 in the US Army. I personally carry 9 magazines on my kit.
>>321496598
Obama said, "we should have an assault weapons ban!" in a speech because of that shooting in wherever.
People always freak out afterwards thinking, "ARMAGERD TIME TO STOCK UP ON TWENTY BILLION ROUNDS OF AMMO"
>>321496656
Well, most infantry riflemen don't personally kill hundreds of people every mission.
>BAR has different damage than the M1 Garand which has different damage than the M1919
>they all fire the same cartridge and have the same barrel length
>>321496656
>I personally carry 9 magazines on my kit
Every vet I've talked to that was actually seeing combat carried a minimum of 12 on their person. One I know carried upward of 18.
>>321496862
lol scrubs
thought we teach soliders how to aim but I guess not!
>>321496862
I could fit 12 onto my IOTV pretty easily, but it probably wouldn't be comfortable.
I've never deployed myself but I pretty much emulated my SGT's kit, and he's been deployed 3 times. He only has 9 magazines easily accessible, the rest he keeps in his assault pack.
>>321496947
I'm not sure if you're trolling or just fucking retarded.
>>321497139
>He only has 9 magazines easily accessible, the rest he keeps in his assault pack.
That was how their kits worked. 18 mags guy would keep most in his backpack.
>>321484726
he said near nato. not nato. fair mistake tho, i thought the same thing
>>321496656
It's not about being realistic or unrealistic. Realism is fine for a true military simulator.
I wasn't playing Medal of Honor or Call of Duty to be realistic. I was playing those games to butcher fucking Nazis.
It's not like competitive balance has to exist in single player or even make sense, nobody would blink about there being some reliable source of ammunition for American guns(or barring that, the player just carrying thousands of rounds) in a video game.
>>321497250
Oh well I'm talking about readily accessible, you need a minimum of 7 magazines by doctrine, I don't consider my assault pack readily accessible.
>>321497139
just seems like if you in such an intense firefight you really had to blast through 270 odd rounds without a single chance to stop even long enough to do anything, you probably are...in a bad situation
>>321497250
You mean he just didn't tape the others to the Mag in the gun, helmet and boots?
>>321497576
>hey lets tape all these mags to areas where they are prone to damage, dirt and simply getting lost
>>321497553
Or you're a marine.
>mfw this whole thread
i shouldn't have left /k/
how will i sleep
>>321497139
Quick question, since you might know:
in certain Call of Dutys, you can have a perk to duct-tape two magazines together. This allows to reload rapidly. What's the downside in real life? Harder to aim? Harder to carry? Would the bullets fall out of the upside-down cartridge?
>>321497553
>you probably are...in a bad situation
This happens.
It's the army.
helping
>>321497763
Dirt can get there, also if it's a metal mag and you hit it on a hard surface you bent it. Plus yeah, it's bigger than a regular mag.
>>321497725
You could tape it to the guts of your enemies that you've made fancy belts with
>>321495683
>Neopets
Go on.
>>321490056
5.56 tends to just go through and through, unless you get bone
>>321496110
>bullpups are trash
you are behind on the times senpai
>a guns effectiveness is the only relevant thing!
Typical no guns posters.
>>321497972
this tbqh
No actual substance in terms of discussing guns other than babby csgo
>>321497876
This is largely correct.
However it fails to take into account when bullets tumble end-over-end, at one point, the bullet can be entirely vertical and traveling through the target. Making a wound cavity effectively as wide as the bullet is long.
Also, certain bullets (5.56x45 m262) will fragment upon impact in soft tissue and create a MUCH larger wound cavity than would be normally possible by just tumbling.
>>321497961
noooooo. No no no, No. Please, do not spread misinformation.
>>321497972
>>321498115
>look at me, I'm superior
>>321497876
Forgot to add:
This "destructive trajectory ballistics" is called, "terminal ballistics."
bullets have 3 stages of ballistics. Internal, external/exterior, and terminal ballistics.
Internal ballistics is what happens in the barrel.
Exterior is what happens in flight.
Terminal is what happens after the bullet impacts the target.
>>321497829
which bases itself on the doctrine of support. if your the LAST man standing, and theres no one there to even cover you as you dig down in a backpack, the situations gotten so fucking fubar, an extra 60-120 rounds wont help you. youll blast through those as well......and be the last man standing with no ammo. verse the other team of x people with x rounds, x being more then 1
dont get me wrong, id be the 18 mag plus guy, but not because i think the last 60 will save me, but so i can go down i a hail of gunfire and not empty clicks
>>321498294
>look at me, I cant take into account global issues and different variants in socioeconomic situations to come to a more complex conclusion than "MORE CALIBER BETTER GUN LOOK AT ME TUMBLE"
>>321498148
>noooooo. No no no, No. Please, do not spread misinformation.
He's right though. Green tip ammo tends to go right through people.
>>321498381
don't reply to him, he wants you to participate in his shitflinging session
>>321498435
m855 =/= mk262.
>>321498507
>m855 =/= mk262.
I never said it was?
>>321498435
>>321498603
>He's right though. Green tip ammo tends to go right through people.
This is dependent on velocity and ultimately barrel length. A full length m16 barrel will. m4 will not.
>>321498603
m855 is not fielded in m4's anymore. mk262 is. m855 were having problems fragmenting properly from m4's shorter barrels due to the obvious reduced velocities and had a muzzle velocity of 2600 as opposed to 2800 from m16 length barrels.
mk262 can fragment at this speed. m855 does not.
>>321498301
>>321498148
if you observe the webm closely youll notice the wobbling "bullet" actually slows down to demonstrate the damage inflicted in the short amount of time that it enters the penetrated object
thought it isnt obvious since the video doesnt point that out
but i do agree various (wind) forces on the projectile can cause the it to be completely vertical
>>321490397
/k/ is better than this infinite shit hole
ITT: 330 posts of 'i've never fired a weapon in my life'
>>321496110
m16`s were trash...when they came out. it took quite a while of bug testing and stream lining to get them where they are today.
not saying bullpups are assuredly better, simply that they have had far less usage and study applied to them then the current platforms which have decades of live testing ( and fixing ) under their belts.
it just irks me when people point out fixable flaws on early bullpups, like the m16 was perfect the second it walked out the damn door. if its so good, why isnt it exactly the same as it was back in the 60`s?
>>321492004
>The AK-102 is an export version chambered to fire 5.56×45mm NATO ammunition.
come on now, senpai
>>321498781
>A full length m16 barrel will
>m855 is not fielded in m4's anymore
The story I was told firsthand was from a marine during the initial surge in the early 00's so he would have been using an m16. He mentioned talking to some SOF friends he had and they gave him what I guess what mk262, it fits the description he gave.
>>321498381
>>321498456
How about you contribute some actual meaningful discussion instead of just passive aggressively smugposting
>>321498789
>but i do agree various (wind) forces on the projectile can cause the it to be completely vertical
I'm talking about terminally.
Entering vertically would be keyholing and not ideal.
I'm talking about entering the targert fully horizontally, and tumbling all the way end over end after it impacts the target.
>>321487276
it's hickock45
>>321498849
>it took quite a while of bug testing and stream lining to get them where they are today.
Only because a bunch of bureaucrats changed specifications at the last minute, loaded it with fouling ammo and spread propaganda that it was a self-cleaning rifle. Stoner's original design was just fine.
>>321498827
ive fire 3 rounds before, guess that makes me qualifiedfull auto m4? obviously didnt get to go full auto, but MAN, the recoil vidya games imply guns have is WAY fucking off. i almost fell forwards anticipating it
>>321499123
sure, dosent change it was shit and needed to unfuck itself with a few decades of use proving stoners design as solid.
maybe one day we will look back at some unadopted, never used bullpup and go "yeah that was the ticket, but assholes who shit on the new design and wouldnt give it a chance..."
again, im not arguing bullpups are better. just they are little itty bitty babies when it comes to testing and streamlining. if you want to compare them really, you need to compare a 15 year design with another 15 year old design. not to a design that had 50 years head start.
>>321498984
M855 is sometimes improperly called armor piercing.
It is indeed an armor piercing round.
MK262 is relatively new:
In point of fact, this information is actually outdated.
MK318 is already replacing mk262 as of 2010.
I need to get on top of this better.
From what I understand, mk318 fragments out of even a 10.5 inch barrel and has increased velocity.
>early 00's
this makes sense, as the army didn't contact the government for a more effective round until 05 based on information from iraq.
>>321483330
It's true idiot. it isn't a meme.
>>321499430
>It is indeed an armor piercing round.
I am indeed retarded.
It's not armor piercing.
>>321499430
He was a Scout Sniper. Basically it went like this.
>inna sandbox
>clearing building
>enter room
>raghead grabs rifle and tries to take it
>start shooting
>they pass right through him making neat little holes
>not hitting anything vital, would take hours to die from these
>finally catch the bone in his elbow, half ripping his arm off
>he lets go
>shoot him more
>continue on
>>321499305
>again, im not arguing bullpups are better
Well I guess I'm not the guy you were originally arguing with because I believe as a concept it is superior, it's just the execution isn't up to par yet.
>just they are little itty bitty babies when it comes to testing and streamlining
I think the big problem is that the people designing them are going too cheap and end up with a bulky action and length of pull which negates the benefits of a bullpup somewhat.The Kel tec RFB, RDB, Desert Tech MDR and the new MTAR are all huge steps in the right direction. The new AUG is pretty nato aswell and Polan is designing this.
>>321499708
And the Russians made this which is all kinds of bad ass (flip a switch and change a mag and it shoots underwater)
>>321499637
This sounds typical of what would happen with shorter m4 barrels and the m855.
Basically what's happening is there is a very bright flash at the end of the gun, due to a lot of unburned powder. The powder is still pushing against what is essentially nothing by the time the bullet leaves the barrel. There isn't enough time for the bullet to "keep getting pushed" by the powder by the time it leaves the shorter barrel. This causes the velocity to slow down far more than what is intended and there's a lot of wasted energy in the cartridge being blasted out the end.
The long and short is:
The millitary found the m855 not working in CQB rifles, which is what most fighting was done in iraq. I dont' doubt your story even remotely.
>>321499708
New aug
>>321499708
yeah, i guess we were on the wrong page, my bad. i think bullpups have a real good chance of being the future. it just makes sense we time and use will battle harden its design till we get something really, really nice. might not be good enough NOW for use, but soooooon....
also that shits kawaii as FUCK
>>321485975
Does not help that the stock is curved downwards when aligning it with barrel causing more elevated upwards momentum than if it were built in "straight line"
>>321499984
Yup, m855 frag velocity is 2700 and the CQBR fires is slower than that
>>321499708
Reloading while in a prone position with a bullpup seems like it will cause a problem. Despite that, they need to work on how they're going to fix the trigger issue.
Essentially, how all bullpups work at the moment, there's the obvious problem with the trigger being disconnected with the actual firing mechanism and bolt - meaning you have an action bar that has to push backwards against where the "actual" trigger is.
>>321499984
>Basically what's happening is there is a very bright flash at the end of the gun, due to a lot of unburned powder. The powder is still pushing against what is essentially nothing by the time the bullet leaves the barrel. There isn't enough time for the bullet to "keep getting pushed" by the powder by the time it leaves the shorter barrel. This causes the velocity to slow down far more than what is intended and there's a lot of wasted energy in the cartridge being blasted out the end
Yeah sure, whatever. But what does any of that have to do with his story where the issue is that the round is just poking holes through the guy and being a marine he would only have an M16 which is a full length rifle.
>>321500282
Marines are issued m4s.
>>321500362
>Marines are issued m4s.
Not in 2003 you fucking retard.
>>321500412
Most certainly so.
>>321500103
I don't think the issue is battle testing I think the issue is that the big weapon developers are unambitious and cheap as hell when it comes to designing their shit. The FN2000 was made for export to third world nations for example and is way bulkier, inaccurate and trigger heavy than necessary. I could talk shit about the AUG and Tavor but they have just been updated to good and great. Smaller companies are already making way better stuff though.
>>321500459
No. Marines don't get fancy new shit until after the army is done getting their fancy new shit. Marines used M16's broadly up until a couple years ago.
>video game guns
>>321500185
That momentum works against the weight of the rifle cancelling out recoil you doofus. Also the straight line of the AR15 is shit selling point because either you hunch hard to get it in inline with your shoulder or you end up with the stock barely on your shoulder and the boreline way over.
>>321486897
>had the clip fed
>the clip
>clip
Why would you hurt me in this way?
what kind of Rooty Tooty point and shooty can I get for $400 max
>>321483330
ITT people who know nothing about guns getting mad at other people who also know nothing about guns.
>>321500730
5 mosins
>>321500538
>>321500282
>>321500538
Then I really can't be certain.
It could be due to the close range of the ammo.
That is my best technical explanation.
>>321500282
It looks like that was already answered, but I'm not the expert
>Unburnt powder
>Bullet isn't travelling as fast as it should
>Slower bullet = Less killing power?
>>321500730
60 nuggets
when can I buy one of them surplus Colt 1911s?
>>321500779
>being even worse by shitposting
>>321500789
Try maybe 2.
>>321500817
You should stop trying to explain things you don't understand. The issue is that green tip has a steel penetrator inside the bullet that doesn't work very well against something soft and squishy like a human.
>>321500824
Doesn't apply because the gun in question was an M16 with a full length barrel. So the amount of unburnt powder would be negligible.
>>321500789
>>321500836
I feel my legs squatting on their own~
>>321500269
The trigger will never be as good but there are plenty of new bullpups with decent triggers.
>Reloading while in a prone position with a bullpup seems like it will cause a problem
Seems is a keyword here. Reloading is never quite as quick or comfortable with a bullpup but more than doable for a trained soldier.
>>321500824
Out of an m16 - the powder would be fully expended.
It's possible the range was too close and caused the bullet to travel so fast it just ripped through before it had a chance to slow down in the tissue and fragment.
Again, hopefully latter rounds won't be a problem.
>>321500945
Only the tip.
>>321501080
well, the CURRENT designs will never be good. maybe some day we will be working on electronic triggers and what not?
note: not saying electronic triggers are reliable or worth a damn currently
>>321501127
>Only the tip.
Which is plenty to go right through someone when you're practically pushing the muzzle against them.
>>321500945
>Try maybe 2.
Have prices really gone up that much?
>>321500668
:^)
>>321501216
Yes.
>>321501136
>the CURRENT designs will never be good
They will never be as light but there are bullpups with crisp triggers already I don't know what you're complaining about unless your definition of good is super strict.
>>321501203
Fair enough point.
But I posit that it is not armor piercing.
The ATF on the other hand...
Well.
Hope you have some stocked up.
>>321501283
Are we running out of nuggets?
>>321501362
Yes, Russia trade embargoes.
>>321501306
oh shit my bad, i wrote that incorrectly
>the current designs MAY never be good
>>321501127
The greater the velocity the greater the chance of fragmentation. It's a very interesting phenomenon. Not sure where the blog is now but a man was hunting coyotes and looking for as flat as he could get with 40 grain 20-250 if I remember correctly and the rounds just vaporized on the animals at ranges closer than 100 yards and just ripped thru beyond that range. Same principle of whether or not rods from god would actually work or if their own force would just cause them to vaporize on impact.
Nah but real talk, what's the current best reliable, bulk producible rifle? Is it the M4?
>every gun has a safety
>guns that eject from the left
>every plastic black pistol is a glock
>reusing the same gun with a different paint job(Walking Dead Season 1)
>AKs are more powerful
>you can buy explosives and rocket launchers at the gun store(GTA series)
>lazy ass gun mechanics
>there isn't a least one wacky/out of time weapon like the Musket in GTA 5 or the LeMat revolver in BLOPS
>no gun modifications/customization
>>321489353
Maybe its gas operated?Would that even work for a shotgun?
>>321501579
Aha, found it.
http://www.rmvh.com/20-250%20-%20Bullet%20Selection.htm
>>321501579
>>321501696
.17 HMR is similar.
I'd post the image of the exploded bunny head but I fear /v/ may have a conniption.
Well which one is it?
>>321501585
>complaining about GTA being unrealistic
are all the people of /k/ similarly retarded or are you special among them
>>321494707
We already have laser weapons that work well, it's just making a battery that lasts long enough to be practical in the field without the whole thing being a mounted system.
We could do limited stuff with plasma too if it wasn't for power source limitations.
>>321501781
Depends.Who am I kidding. You could beat a man to death with the mosin and still it would shoot.
>>321501781
ak to be honest family
>>321501781
Mosin due to being mechanically simpler and not susceptible to dust when the bolt is closed like the AK is.
>>321501462
Ok I can appreciate that still I think that shit has sailed. It's just that armies are slow (and cheap) about replacing weapons so all the bullpups in service are old and mediocre designs with very poor triggers. The AUG trigger upgrade has made it decent (I think it's 10 lbs and crisp now). The new MTAR trigger is supposed to be great for a bullpup. I don't know about the new Singaporean rifle but it is probably as bad as a legacy bullpup.
The new MDR has a really good trigger by any standard capable of a crisp 3 lbs. A factory m4/m16 is 6/7 lbs. It's been done. Bullpups have caught up in all but price and admittedly battle testing. But again, militaries are slow and cheap.
>>321501664
It wouldn't. The bolt has nowhere to go.
>>321501789
Are you fucking kidding? Of all non tactical games GTA is one that should be getting the very basics right. Otherwise you might as well be playing Saints Row or Just Cause.
>>321502091
jesus anon GTA isn't crime simulator, it's a wacky criminal-themed game
and yes it is similar to SR, SR just takes the wackiness up to eleven
>>321501837
>it's just making a battery that lasts long enough to be practical in the field without the whole thing being a mounted system.
It's not just the battery that needs to be scaled down. There are no good handheld lasers unless you count permanently blinding people.
>>321501737
I still can't bring myself to like rim-fire cartridges. Seems pointless with so many other options.
>>321502150
What the fuck is even going on in the picture?
>that backwards dust cover
>that utterly destroyed case
Besides that, you'd have to put that there on purpose in that position.
There are a bunch of ranges around my city, thinking of going shotting gun. Is there anything I should know beyond common sense? Any etiquette?
>AK47 has a fuck ton of recoil
>bolt action rifle has 0 recoil
>>321502150
I don't think that's a jam senpai, pretty sure that thing had an out of battery detonation.
Can you actually use your own gear in combat?
I know storys where families send bullet proof vest to their memeber in Iraq because the standard army issue was fucking shit.
But how about guns?
My uncle for example works as policemen in germany, he is issued with only a single magazine for his P99, even after the attacks on Paris a few weeks ago.
>>321502302
>if you get hit using any other weapon your aim is shook about
>if you get hit while scoping through a bolt action it barely moves
>bullpup is less accuate and reloads slow but has better hipfire
BAAAAATTTTLLLLEEEEFIIEEEEEELLD!
>>321502329
No it didn't, that pic is staged as fuck and is some custom one off to begin with.
>>321502254
Ask if a range master/officer could give a new shooter general advice. If they are an asshole about it then leave and go to a different range, it's also easier to just have an experienced friend go with you to be your instructor until you can learn on your own.
>>321502352
20 shots... more than enough to kill anything that moves
>>321502302
Recoil is caused by the ejection of casings, dumbass.
>>321502418
>tf2's sniper
>wearing a backpack makes you take more damage but have no flinch when hit
Pretty dumb game desu
>>321502519
You mean Newton's laws right?
>>321502329
>>321502243
Left side is the front.
This is an ejected case that, as it was ejected, it flipped (which is normal) and jammed itself between the receiver and dust cover (not normal)
The AK jams.
Another such (common) jam is when the case does not travel far enough to clear the receiver, and the bolt slams shut on the case.
A stovepipe.
>>321502352
There's a bit of leeway about accessories for combat arms on deployment in most first world nations and in some even a weapon on rare occasions. Don't count on much though because they want to keep the logistics as simple as possible (for good reason).
>I know storys where families send bullet proof vest to their memeber in Iraq because the standard army issue was fucking shit.
This is specifically because the military went too war unprepared and basically the military allowed their soldiers and their families to pick up the slack. Nowadays you can't even dream of picking your own body armor unless you are truly hot shit and the commander loves you or actually high speed low drag.
>AR/16 is better than AK
>Guy pulls out a brand spanking new M4A1
>Guy ignores 70 years of AK development and pulls out a 70 year old AK47
>Grandpa performs beyond any expectation
Amerishits on suicide watch.
>>321502475
Thanks anon
And if I had a friend I wouldn't be here asking about it tbqh
>>321502518
Not enough for fire superiority if they shoot back
>>321502701
To be fair the original batches of AK47s and AKMs were fucking nice. All the specs were perfectly harmonized. Then they they tried to go cheaper...
>>321502719
You in Texas? Also google range etiquette or what to know as a new shooter, 4chan should not be a reference whenever possible.
>battlefield
>ads
>shoot full auto
>barrel starts stretching like a thrumpet more and more with each shot
>ends up being as accurate as hipfire
Is this correct?
>>321483813
The gun isn't inaccurate, it has more kick, it's heavier, and the bullet is heavier. That means it's a bit tougher to control, but it's an accurate gun in most cases. That being said, in a logistical sense, smaller rounds are almost always preferable.
All this talk about guns make me want one, but in order to get one I have to be member of a silly gun club and even then I can only get a pistol/revolver and have to lock it inside a silly weapons locker.
Alternatively I have to get a hunter's license and still lock that badboy rifle up in a weapons locker.
>>321501981
oh yeah deffo. like that other guy said, stoner made a fantastic gun and the suits shit on it. then it took them a few decades to unfuck it to get it where we are now. im sure theres a pretty decent weapon out now, ( debateable if its better the current non-bullpups, but im not arguing that ), but you cant blame the military for wanting to stick to tried and true on top of the fact theres a lot more infrastructure behind the older tech then the newer tech
>>321484328
Anything produced by a NATO nation in 5.56 would make that category. You're a retard if that's not instantly what you thought of when he said NATO guns.
>>321503073
>5.56 is the only cartridge NATO uses apparently.
>7.62x51
>game has a fire selector switch
>switch to full giggle mode, squeeze off one round
>switch to semi auto, squeeze off another round
>it sounds fucking different
literally dropping every game that deos that
>>321502958
>You in Texas
Yes, north Houston
Spooky guess
>4chan should not be a reference whenever possible.
Of course I'm not gonna gobble up every bit of info blindly, but there's no harm in asking
>>321503020
>but you cant blame the military for wanting to stick to tried and true
Yeah but when they keep whining about wanting a new rifle and not trying the new bullpups the argument loses a lot of credibility
>theres a lot more infrastructure behind the older tech then the newer tech
Yeah that's true, the new bullpups are made by smaller companies. Not capable of supplying an entire military.
>( debateable if its better the current non-bullpups, but im not arguing that )
I'd say yes if the gun is out of the box and price is not a factor. If equal price then an AR15 with aftermarket parts might edge out the MDR or RDB depending on how you factor weight and length.
>>321503191
>handguns have slow capped fire rates
>>321483813
The AK has been less accurate becauseNo one really takes the time to use the leaf sights correctly and to their full potential.
>>321503420
Is there anyone that actually prefers leaf sights on rifles?
>>321503420
>Leaf Sights
Fucking what?
>>321503191
>being a dummy
>not realizing the fire selector switch changes how the mechanism works slightly, creating a different sound
>>321484328
It's a term to refer to firearms whose designed rounds are either the 5.56x45mmNATOor the 7.62x51mmNATO.
>>321503209
I don't mind going to the range with you at some point then, this is as long as you are kempt in your appearance and don't have the social skills of a troglodyte. Add me on steam and we can set something up at a later date if you want.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/
anti-matter
/
>>321503018
You can take it out for "dissassembly" and "cleaning" though.
>>321488051
I've never been to /k/: the post
>>321483590
>two guns shoot 5.56
>almost identical barrel length
>different damage values
>45acp dealing less damage than a 9mm
/k/arabiner get out
>>321489645
Looks sexy as fuck.
Impractical, but sexy.
guns are for nerds
>>321503420
It's mostly
>weapons are usually used by sandniggers or zipperheads
>they never properly zero it and just walk it in
>barrels may be corroded or shot out
>possibly using 10+ different types of ammo in their mags
And yes, people bitch way too fucking much about leaf sights sucking and seriously need to git gud
>>321503520
I don't mind them at all, they're pretty much a poor man's reddot and are great for shooting at close ranges.
>game doesn't accounf for there being a round in thr chamber when reloading
>6 cylinder wheelgun
>shoot once
>reload
>he reloads the whole cylinder
>>321483330
Never, because gun stats in games are nonsense on purpose.
Now shut the fuck up and enjoy your shotguns that only shoot to the edge of your limp dick.
>>321503763
but im six inches soft senpai
>>321503547
This thing. People call it a leaf sight. People usually don't know to dial it to the appropriate range of their target, and that's where the "HUR DURR AK ONLY GOES OUT TO 300 YARDS" meme originates. Each of those numbers is in 100 meter increments.
>>321503520
I personally prefer them, but then again I always prefer more open irons.
My eyes are autistic and don't like peep sights.
>>321503661
two barrels? wtf, how does that gun look when assembled?
>>321503816
Forgot image.
>>321503846
what are you doing
>>321503923
>can't differentiate retardation and poor b8
it's as if I'm on /k/!
>>321503834
I want to pet that cat.
>>321503846
The upper 'barrel' you're thinking of is the gas tube.
>>321503815
Prove it
>>321503396
>mfw they dont in some games
>mfw the m1911 in bf3
>mfw faster dps then a carbine m4 or ak-47 su at under 7 meters
>if you could click the fire button fast enough
>mfw completely disregarding my primary and using the m1911 in hardcore servers
>mfw ended up meeting another guy who was the worlds best m1911 player, with 10,000 odd kills or something crazy
>mfw how good it felt to waste motherfuckers with it
>>321503661
How's that built in scope?
>>321503587
steamcommunity.com/id/anti-matter
Corrected, steam is weird with ids.
>>321503692
There's that too, but they've unjustly had that reputation before the Soviet Union collapsed and all the Soviet AKs started flooding the black markets.
Also the M16 was designed to be ultra-reliable and you didn't have to clean it so often. But the gubmint cheaped out on the buffer spring, so the end product ended up jamming everytime a speck of dust got in it, or if the bolt carrier group got a little dirty.
>>321504093
It isn't built in, but it uses that wacky-looking claw mount and it's solid as fuck. It's held zero for a while, now.
Wasn't cheap, unfortunately.
>>321504157
They also told soldiers in Vietnam that it was self-cleaning and issued different ammo than it was designed to shoot.
>>321491039
you do realize that the M4 is strictly a goverment/ LEO/military issued carbine right?
>>321483330
ITT: nerds try and talk about guns and predictably fail
literally all of you shut the fuck up, none of this shit matters. A fucking assault rifle in a battlefield role is to literally put lead down range. Actually hitting something comes somewhere near the bottom of the list, well after things like positioning and command & control.
>>321504016
Was it before BF3 or BF4 where if you clicked too fast on a semi auto it would lock up? I remember the G3A3 getting nerfed from being a 3 hit kill on normal so I used the m1911 in close combat instead which worked great sometimes but it was hard not clicking too fast and managing ammo.
Maybe they fixed it later but I'm pretty sure it was BF3. First thing I did was grind out the G3A3 in coop. I was kinda pissed when two months later they slashed the required points by like more than half and suddenly everyone was running around with the thing.
>>321504223
I meant the AUG
>>321504252
Only the designation, you can get AR15s just like it.
>>321504223
What did they give the gooks? I imagine there isn't a lot the M16 would eat.
>>321504273
Then why aren't we all using open bolt SMGs then senpai?
You sound buttfrustrated that you don't have anything to contribute.
>>321504273
>blah blah blah I post from the basement and still try to play the holier-than-though, better-than-though card even though I'm too much of a fucking fatbody to even be military
At least add to the conversation you degenerate, not contract from it.
>>321504384
Ah. You can detach the barrel. It's meant to be quick-detach.
>>321504441
China gave them more than enough SKS's and Type 67's to count
>>321504298
it still locked up in bf3, but that specific rate was so low i dont think it was feasible with just clicking manually. you could get it VERY fast with a macro and it wouldnt lock up, but yes, its true, there was a limit. i think a macro could get you upwards of 2000 rpm before it stuttered, but dont quote me on that, its been quite a while
>>321504502
>Ah. You can detach the barrel. It's meant to be quick-detach.
Yeah but it's stuck to the barrel no? Also I was asking how it performed.
>>321504619
What's stuck to the barrel? English doesn't happen to be your first language, perhaps. What do you mean? There is no second barrel. Are you perhaps thinking of the bolt/operating rod/gas piston group, or the receiver group?
>>321504549
>but that specific rate was so low i dont think it was feasible with just clicking manually
> i think a macro could get you upwards of 2000 rpm before it stuttered
I'm a little confused. I remember that the m1911 had an RPM of slightly over 200 and it was hard not to click too fast. Are you saying that with a macro to click super fast you could break that limit and somehow spray bullets?
>>321504705
he was asking you about AUG's scope
>>321504705
He's talking about the AUG scope, which no isn't attached to the barrel.
>>321504705
The scope is attached to the barrel isn't it? So you can't switch it for a different scope without swapping the barrel, or am I mistaken?
>>321504705
is this yours
>>321504786
i could be completely and utterly fucking wrong, i wont deny that. i thought you could macro that shit to some insane rate but it appears im talking right out of my ass? i am certian tho your dps with it was higher then the m4/ak-su, tho. maybe im thinking of the an-94?
>>321504862
It's the foregrip that's attached to the barrel not the scope.
>>321504862
>>321504860
Oh fuck I'm so dumb I looked at the picture and it's built into the receiver.
That's worse really.
>>321504705
HOW DOES THAT IN THE PICTURE SCOPE PERFORM?
>>321504871
oh yeah im wrong. 2000 rpm at 7 rounds is like 215 milliseconds for a clip. thats your average reaction time alone
>>321504502
>that mangled brass
>>321504840
/shrug
I'm drinking. It's a good scope. 3x magnification.
>>321504860
see >>321504860
Not attached to the barrel, and I'm able to remove it entirely from the receiver group if I so wish. Won't be any time soon.
>>321504871
Yes.
>>321504971
Works really well, shame I can't get a good image of how it looks. It's the donut of death with a crosshair. Would rather it just be the donut, though I'm not complaining. Performs admirably.
>>321505021
Mangled brass is from image related, not the Steyr. Shooting them both in the same lane.
>>321504871
>i thought you could macro that shit to some insane rate but it appears im talking right out of my ass?
It was probably some other gun. I remember being on the receiving end of some insane M9 spam.
>maybe im thinking of the an-94?
The an-94 had the super fast 2 round burst. Lower total output than full auto but you could get it on target from much farther away.
It's funny because the an-94 and m1911 were the weapons I used (after I gave up on the G3A3). I don't know jack shit about any of the other weapons.
>>321504484
Because a 9mm SMG doesn't have the range to engage a man sized target effectively at 500 meters without serious issues. Its like taking the 20% hit ratio for an M16 in combat today and dropping it to 5%, the AR is obviously a step up, but the difference between an AK74 and a M16A2 doesn't matter for shit, they do exactly the same job in exactly the same roles.
>>321504502
ad hominem, the whole point is that it doesn't fucking matter
>>321505046
>I'm drinking
That makes two of us
>and I'm able to remove it entirely from the receiver group if I so wish
Oh that's cool.
>Performs admirably.
Neato. I'm always wondering about built-in/semi-built in scopes because I've hear some awful things about some and then you have a rifle that sucks if only because of the scope.
>>321505097
Is that caused by that weird fluted chamber those things have? I've never understood why fluted chambers are a thing
Which has more players, BF:BC2, BF3 or BF4
PC.
>>321505014and i just said clips
>>321505117
yeah, i was completely wrong. i think the 2000 rpm was the rough average of macroing the 1200 rpm mode of the an-94, but dont quote me that either. i played a heap of that small 16 player deathmatch/tdm version of the level with the canals and usually just went m1911 as primary and carry a shotgun or carbine of sorts as secondary. symtecs stats, no matter how i looked at it, showed me the m1911 was better if you could just consistently fire and aim decently. outside of that, the an-94 was my game. hated the m16, even if it was supposed to be the best in theory.you could force the game into 1 fov, and use a bipod. so when aiming from the hip, you were zoomed in farther then the best scope, but when you ironsighted you could walk around normally. scored some 1.2 km shots with this. you could not imagine how mad people got when they realised i was hipfiring at those ranges. exploiting it, yes, but heh. had some fun with that
>>321488380
Russians actually had vastly superior rocket technology (NK-33), but didn't have proper testing facilities, so instead of just testing engines etc, they would build an entire rocket and see if it actually worked, if it blew up, they would build another rocket with whatever went wrong fixed and rinse repeat.
The NK-33 is still the best rocket engine in the world today in terms of efficiency and the Merlin 1D is the only engine with a higher thrust to weight ratio.
The US didn't have comparable rocket engines for what the Soviets built in the 60s for 50+ years.
>>321505241
>calling ad hominem when your original post was ad hominem
You're terrible at this.
>>321505248
Some built in scopes are crap. From what I am to believe, at least. I cannot say, the only one with a built-in scope that I've used is my AUG. I can say without a doubt that it is not crap. Integrated scopes are my fucking jam, though.
>>321505264
There's a LOT of pressure going on when the cartridge is fired. Can't say I know exactly, though, sorry. Mangled brass is caused by the very forceful ejection of cartridge casing and immediate slamming of its side against the receiver.
>>321505241
>Because a 9mm SMG doesn't have the range to engage a man sized target effectively at 500 meters without serious issues.
So it isn't just about slinging lead then, doofus.
>but the difference between an AK74 and a M16A2 doesn't matter for shit, they do exactly the same job in exactly the same roles
By that logic you can argue that the difference between the M16 and M4 doesn't matter for shit, because they are even more alike, but the US military thought the difference mattered.
>>321500067
That is a very sexy piece of plastic.
>>321504156
Well I sent the request
>>321505375
>showed me the m1911 was better if you could just consistently fire and aim decently
It's true except for pre-nerf G3, but I found it very hard to not click too fast under pressure.
>the an-94 was my game
mah nigga, an-94 did everything I wish the G3 had done.
>you could force the game into 1 fov, and use a bipod. so when aiming from the hip, you were zoomed in farther then the best scope
lel
>>321505520
>Integrated scopes are my fucking jam, though.
Yeah I've always loved the concept but it's scary to think a rifle may end up entirely ruined when the company skimps on just that part.
>>321505784
I whole-heartedly agree with the logic on this. There have been examples of a few loosing their zero constantly.
>500+ post gun thread on /v/ and not a single butthurt anti gun shitposter to be found
This was a good thread.
>>321505724
guess i didnt play post-nerf. you could also force the game into resolutions of something like 128x64 or something. the chat box took up the entire screen. but dat 800 fps....
>>321505923
hey man we are talking about fictional guns, not real baby killers
>>321506013
We've been talking about leaf sights, China flooding the black markets with shitty AK clones, and gooks unjustly giving AKs and M16s a bad name.
Where have you been?
>>321506013
Did you read the thread? Most of the posts are about real guns and there are tons of people posting pictures of their guns.
>>321505909
I remember hearing terrible things about the integrated sights on the G36. Before that I thought they were the coolest thing ever. And the concept was quite forward thinking but HK was cheap as shit with the G36.
What a POS though. An AR-18 clone whose only selling point was using polymer for almost everything and yet it wasn't lighter or cheaper than an AR15 and less accurate and reliable, losing zero and eventually melting if using the wrong ammo or simply fire more than two mags.
I had the same thing with the FN2000. It could've been so cool, instead it was cheap, bulky, inaccurate and originally had a shitty scope built in.
>>321505949
>guess i didnt play post-nerf
No you did, the m1911 was the best post-nerf. The G3 was better like for 3 months after release. I'm not sure symthic even existed at that point.
>800 fps chat box
Serious shitposting
>>321506240
Isn't the built in G36 scope the one that was giving soldiers radiation poisoning from the tritium in the reticle or something? I vaguely remember reading some article about it years ago.
>>321506240
Chinese rifle with bullpup overbarrel airburst capable 20mm and remote display capable optic. Supposedly accurate to 1k+. I'm jelly frankly.
>>321506451
The only news I've heard on that series of rifles is that firing too many rounds threw the barrel off because the heat would warp the plastic around it or something.
>>321506240
>>321506504
huh, they managed to make OICW look non-retarded
it's actually kind of adorable now, like a fat puppy
>>321506451
I have never heard of that. I don't thin the G36 scope used tritium.
>>321506616
Korea has made an actual OICW albeit still bolt action.
>>321506550
Yeah they made the entire receiver out of plastic. Still more expensive than an alumium AR15.
>>321506616
Oi fuck you m8
OICW looks like some fuckin Judge Dredd shit.
>>321507076
I'd believe as much. Aluminum is cheap as fuck.
![TP-82[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/GsJ8L4o.jpg "TP-82[1]")
![s640x480[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/iFJvpVt.jpg "s640x480[1]")
