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Rosberg 168
Hamilton 167
Hungaroring in two weeks, then Hockenheim a week later.
amx amd
>>69435385
Poor Ham, all he wants is go fast, man.
>10 sec pen for something that saved you the whole race
>>69444483
thats why they probably did it he could've ended up fourth or even worse if the team didn't tell him
>>69444544
Not true, to be honest. If they had told him that they couldn't explain what "not using 7th gear" means he would have figured out on his own that he had to short shift. Hell, he even said it himself, but was just asking for extra confirmation. The onus of this is all on his engineer telling him without hesitation.
>>69444483
>likely DNF or stuck in 1 gear and finishing out of the points
vs.
>grey area rule breaking that you can argue with the stewards for hours and end up only losing like 4 points
he did pretty well
can't wait for another gearbox penalty for hungary though lmao
here's to hoping Newey/RBR can make a competitive car next season so Max can challenge Hamilton for the championship
that would be ebin
>>69445095
They absolutely will. Maybe not full Merc-tier but the Renault engine should be up to par next season, token system is getting scrapped, and the new cars are downforce demons and Red Bull just happen to employ le downforce god as their main designer.
Unless Newey has gone senile or Renault really drops the ball (which is unlikely now that it's directly affecting their own team as well), there is no reason to think Red Bull won't be even better next year.
Ferrari on the other hand are just choking, all those updates on the engine and all those new parts etc have seemingly not made the car better at all. Merc have barely done anything to their car and they're still destroying.
>>69445095
Amx vs Vetlel vs Choco would be ebin like Kimi vs Juan vs Michael in 2003
Your 2017 World Driver's Champion.
>>69445990
I'd be OK with it, even if it'd mean having to see Dennis's smuggest face.
Isn't Vijay Mallya a full #yolo billionaire?
Why doesn't he just drop a few hundred million just for the team to focus on one year (e.g. 2017) with hugely expanded resources? Or just get a cheeky loan from an Indian bank, doesn't seem that hard.
What's the point of running a midfield team that has no real chance of ever winning without major luck? Better to have 1 year of championship contending/race winning car than 10 years in the midfield.
>>69444483
the penalty was for telling him to shift through the gears which he would have done anyway. not for telling him about the gearbox setting, that wasn't under investigation.
>>69446541
He doesn't have a lot of money now to invest. He closed his airline because it went bankrupt. He owes the Reserve Bank of India plenty of money but he can't be persecuted because of various reasons and loopholes
>>69447163
and now he can't leave the UK or he'll be deported to India and tried for his crimes
Indian government have already seized as many of his assets as they can manage lel
>>69447163
Just checked. He owes $1.3 billion to the reserve bank. He fled the country. Lives in London now.
Fuck that faggot. People like him are the reason lots of people can't >POO IN LOO
>>69447658
Love this self-mockery
>>69447658
just imagine how many loos you could buy with $1.3 billion
>>69448122
i'd bet 1.3 billion
>>69448122
who needs loos when you can spend that $1.3 billion on building more streets to poo on
>>69447821
What self mockery? Nobody likes that faggot here. Lots of bastards like him that don't pay taxes and steal from the people. It doesn't matter to developed nations because they have a higher per capita income and basic infrastructure is in place. We have a huge poor population who need help from the government and the wealthy.
>>69449184
Top kek
Atleat GP2 is exciting this year.
>>69447658
I like him. His mullet is tops, and he doesn't give a fuck. Top bloke I reckon.
>>69446541
Force India is so broke that they had to 3D print their fucking steering wheel just to save costs.
>>69450551
GP2 is like triple A ball. It's not really for the competition.
>>69451307
A what ball?
>>69451307
How many kilos is one triple A ball?
>>69451408
In the USA the minor leagues of baseball are A, AA, and AAA, then the majors.
The minor leagues are to bring along players, but no one cares if the teams actually win.
GP3/2 are the same way. People argue about "this driver had a better record than that driver" and shit but it doesn't matter. It's about learning to race with other cars, maybe some setup/DRS deployment, fuel savings, etc. If you're good you graduate, the actual winning percentage doesn't matter as much.
>>69451627
I get wath you are saying but it's still a lot more exciting than F1 these last few races.
>>69451806
Fair enough. There are people that love watching minor league baseball, too. It can be exciting.
I prefer to watch sports where everyone involved only cares about winning, so I only watch the highest level of each discipline.
Are you watching the Indycar race later, Finnfriend?
Do we really deserve that the ones who are dealing for the WDC are a beta and a tryhard american nigga? The 2005-2010 period was comfy as fuck, and literally nothing happened since then.
>>69452013
Nope but might give it a try
>>69452392
Cool. It has Montoya and Max Chilton and it's a small oval. A lap takes 17 seconds. Chilton qualified very high (4th I believe) which is amazing.
In this discipline qualifying means very little in terms of final standings but it's p. cool.
There will be a thread. I think it starts in 1h 10 mins.
I wonder if any Finns have raced in Indycar? Something makes me want to say Mika Salo gave it a whirl.
I missed the race, should I torrent and watch it anyway or was it the usual MWL borefest?
MADMAXMADMAMXMAMDMAMXMAMDMAMXMAMDMAMXMAMDMAMXMAMDMAMXMAMDMAXMAMDMAMDMAMAMAMAMAM
FUCK CHOCO
MAX WINS
>>69452667
The beginning was pretty cool aside from the SC start.
LOTS of cars went off due to the tricky wet/drying conditions.
>>69452667
It had interesting bits, but since you already know the final result a well-put-together highlight reel would just save you the boring parts.
>>69452537
I could only find some dude called Tero Palmroth. Isn't Montoya an old man already.
>>69452962
Montoya is like 38 but he won the Indy 500 and tied for the championship last season so he's competitive there.
>letting old farts that doesn't understand computers in charge of rules
HAMROSVE_
>>69453455
this desu
>>69452962
Here's the Indycar Thread.
>>69455050
>Be me
>Be Alonso
>Join team with basically independent engine supplier and nearly half a billion in budget
>Get my ass handed to me by some team with a fifth of our budget
>>69455666
heil satan
>>69455666
what do you mean by that satan
who's better, barichello or rosberg?
>>69455666
Checked
>>69455954
I mean Alonso is getting raped every night by Vijay Malaya
>>69445655
checked dubs for >le downforce god
Newey is the king of autists tho.
>>69445814
hoping for this tbqh
>>69452537
Juho Annala drove in the 2008 Long Beach Champ Car race that counted towards that year's Indycar series.
>>69458357
How common is the name Juho? Isn't there a strongman with that name?
brace your shelves lads
/tsu/ airraid incoming
>>69459431
What did you do now, England?
Watkins Glen in F1 when? Charlie was there 2 months ago, so it's basically just a question of the right amount of money entering Bernie's pockets, richtig?
>>69459797
talking about the yuros
poortugal funposting will push /f1/ out of the catalog if we're not careful
>>69460120
i hope not. it's a shit rack. although we could use a northern US grand prix, and one on the western coast as well.
>>69455666
>be Alonso in alternate universe
>stay at Ferrari
>finish 2nd or 3rd in the championship every year until you retire whilst team tries to convince you this year you will have the best car
>retire with 2 WDC and 10 2nd places
>kill self
>>69460560
What's so bad about the Glen?
>>69460735
you can only see one turn and and a short straight from the grandstands. the rest of the track is completely obscured. also Watkins Glen is a shithole. i lived there for three years.
but that's just me. i'm a dirt track fan
>>69460735
it killed cevert
tsuuuu
>>69460120
>richtig?
Unwahrscheinlich. There are many European countries full of oil money that could line up Bernie's pockets much better than some outdated US track.
And if we're going to be silly, Road Atlanta would be much more fun anyway.
>>69460481
Oh, that shit's still going on? Everyone's stopped talking about it long ago.
>>69460575
>be Alonso
>be so delusional that you get buttmad if you don't get a realistic chance at the WDC every year
>because of this you are 'mad' at driving for fucking Ferrari
>go into an obvious shithole team
Should have overtaken Petrov in Abu Dhabi, Oviedo's missile :')
>>69461538
>that shit's still going on?
well not anymore
>>69461581
I wonder how much teams lie to drivers about expected car improvements next season to either keep them in the team or to steal them from another team
>>69461899
Oh, I see.
I dont get why >>>/sp/f1 shows the poortugal thing as well. No mention of f1 in the title, first post or even the rest of the bread
>>69462508
FIlename.
>>69462674
Right. Behind the (...). Thanks. This is the type of thing that keeps me from sleeping.
wew
>Be Nico Rosberg
>Lose 3 championship points because race engineer told you to shift gears in your formula 1 race car that requires the driver to shift gears
>Lose the 2016 world championship to Lewis Hamilton by 2 championship points
wew lads
>>69464501
its as much his own fault for asking how not to use 7th gear
>BBC news at 11 after Euro final
>loads of headlines over Wimbledon, Tour de France, Euro 2016
>literally no mention of British GP
Haha, don't worry. I'm sure in 2019 when F1 goes entirely off free-to-watch in the UK in all forms that F1 will become more relevant again.
>>69464622
He was asking if it was safe to shift through 7th or if he just couldn't shift past 6th at all.
It was a reliability issue, not team coaching. The FIA is digging their own grave with this bullshit.
>>69464501
I want them to lessen the radio strictness
V8 supercars have some pretty good coms talk and I agree with the sky sports commentators that it does give more insight to what's going on. The talk between the drivers and tire choice and track conditions last race was great imo
>F1, nigger wins
>CS Cologne Major, aimlocking BRs win
>Euros, good guys win
Day was saved at last. TSUUUUUUUUUUUUU
Seriously if rosberg botches this 43 point lead he needs to consider retirement
>>69464501
>Be Nico Rosberg
>Lose championship
>>69464501
calling it now
>tfw no matter what happens you will always believe in Nico
He will win
>>69465368
why do people still watch this complete joke? gambling?
>>69466215
I wish he would win but I've lost hope. Cheering for him is pointless.
>>69466215
as long as it doesn't rain anymore he has a decent shot.
>>69466215
is that mana's bedroom
>>69466742
>Japanese girl
>Der Gluckssieger
Does she ship them from Germany specially?
>>69466215
>>69466561
i guess you could say he's a... fair weather fan
>>69466215
Looks like the articles are from a Swiss newspaper.
Mercedes is now appealing the Rosberg penalty and #TeamLH is chalking this up as further evidence of the anti-Hamilton conspiracy.
Hamilton fans need to find their way into the nearest oven.
I saw Sebastian Vettel at the paddock in Silverstone today. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?”
I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and waving his finger in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen World Championships in his hands without paying.
Bernie at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Seb, you need to let me rig those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear him, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When he took one of the championships and started rigging it multiple times, he stopped him and told him to rig them each individually “to prevent any teammate infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After he scanned each championship and put them in a bag and started to say greetings to Maurizio and Sergio, he kept interrupting him by going YABADABADOO really loudly.
>>69467909
so they sell championships to the highest bidder... wow... really makes ya think
Demotedberg
>>69466500
He could totally rock that mustache
Friendly reminder that we are living in the worst timeline
>the feeling of being cucked by a mexican mclaren reject week after week
> getting docked points literally because F1 wants a black driver to dominate
>>69469071
The mexican is at least a mclaren reject, hulk is a nothing reject, just sidestepping all the time.
I feel sorry for him, but he just hasn't delivered or had luck.
>>69469157
Hulk has already achieved far more than perez ever will in racing, it's just that he can't seem to shine like he should in f1
>>69469152
it's more like Merc/FIA don't like rosberg
he intentionally drove into hamilton at austria and never apologized.
>>69469251
>Hulk has already achieved far more than perez ever will in racing
Like 0 podiums?
Are you from reddit? only those suck Hulkenberg's dick this much.
>>69469352
>in racing
winning lemans is better than a few scattered podiums in f1. Read my entire post again to practice your reading comprehension
>>69469431
Do you live through Hulkenberg? Why do you care this much?
And no, Le Mans is not quite as good as said by the drivers themselves.
Even fucking Herbert won Le Mans.
>>69468954
No finger boy on top at least.
>>69461581
>be Alonso
>be at ferrari
>Don't win anything since ferrari can no longer ferrari
>go to shit team
>team stays shit for 2015 and 2016
>2017 get a decent car
>everything starts going downhill mid-season
>finally can no longer take it
>finally turn on radio
>say "Gp3 Car Gp3 Car"
>The ghost of Senna hears my cries
>throws me straight into barriers
>become more potato than schumi
>atleast beat schumi at something
Will they EVER unfuck their "qualification" system in F1?
I think not.
>>69466215
STOP! HE WILL WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP! WE JUST NEED TO WAIT UNTIL HE GETS RID OF HIS FINNISH GENES!
>>69470106
Those times got thrown out iirc
So kys
If I'm wrong I will commit honorable soduku
>>69470275
No, they didn't.
Commence soduku seppuku islandnigger.
>>69470106
The application of rules these past few years have been absolutely garbage
>>69470106
Wasn't it only certain corners they couldn't go outside the line?
>>69466396
Hue
>>69470483
Yea, like the ones depicted in that pic.
>>69470106
>>69470707
It wasturns9,15and18
That is the exit of turn 7.
>>69470981
stop with the facts already you're hurting his brain
>>69471089
>defending "qualifying" outside of the track limits
I would expect nothing less...
>>69471400
But they aren't outside the limits...
It should be more clear what the limits are
(there should just be grass out there IMO) but nobody did anything wrong in qualy
>Rosberg is fucking cucked again.
>>69471639
his own fault
>>69469719
Would take finger boy over Loo Loo wins lol desu
The more hamilton wins the more my sides hurt from the butthurt it causes.
Go for 3 in a row hamilton, do it.
>>69466396
>>69465368
People here watch video games?
>>69471728
No. I want Rosberg to be ahead the entire championship, and then lose out in Abu Dhabi. The butthurt would be unimaginable.
>>69471761
where he is then met on the podium by justin bieber
>>69471761
rosberg and hamilton will crash each other out and double DNF for two more races and then gimi or amx will sneak up and steal the title
>>69471889
so close
>>69458021
>implying Bennis isn't the king of autists
What was rosberg's penalty?
Will hamilturd be given the same penalty when he inevitably does it?
>>69474035
merc had to tell him to avoid 7th gear or else his gearbox would have exploded
>>69450157
I like him, because he 'runs' (or at least, funds) Force India.
I couldn't give less of a fuck about the tax shit.
bit depressed there's two weeks until the next race
>>69474441
>two more weeks for another HAMROSVES race
noice
>>69474441
>2 more weeks
>Hamilton's best track
Might just skip it and instead use the time to pray to Allah that Rosberg doesn't get cucked at home.
>>69474977
Hungary give us meme magic races though
>>69473721
Actually impressive they weren't penalized with 10 places for the next race and 15 seconds on qualy.
>>69474977
at this point all we can hope for for a good race is hamilton having a shit start or a shit qualy and then fighting for first back from rosberg
and every track beign rained on just enough to get the wets out but not enough for SCStart
>>69474341
Have you ever watched this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4id67Xg3c4w
looks kinda fun to dance
>>69469152
they pretty much implemented those rules because rosberg was constantly getting told exactly what to do and how to drive
so in baku hamilton came 5th because he had a problem with his car it was stuck in the wrong mode and he couldn't get it out and he asked over the radio what he needed to do to unfuck his car and they said they couldn't tell him and they didn't (/f1/ called hamilton a nigger for not knowing how to use a computer)
now rosberg has had a problem with the car and he asked a really obvious question about it and they've answered his question instantly telling him something he should already know (that you can shift through a gear you're not supposed to use to get to the above gear or below gear)
>>69474090
But what was the penalty he got for it? 10 second time penalty?
>>69475983
yes. it cost him 2nd place
>>69474341
Filthy congress supporter
>>69475148
Unless some front wings randomly explode again I doubt it will be very magical.
>>69443955
where does /f1/ get their F1 news? the BBC is getting to be as bad as Sky with their HAM worship
>>69477113
>one of the greatest laps of all time
>>69477113
>Safety car start
>One of the greatest laps of all time
I really want someone to just fucking shoot me right now.
>>69477113
>three seconds into the lead halfway into the opening lap
didn't Vettel do this almost every race in the dominant RBs?
>>69477215
yes except vettel is a wet fart
>>69471747
wow you are so mature dude
>>69477113
autosport is far less biased
>>69443955
Alonso was the driver of the race, even with the mistake, you could literally feel how he was better than the rest.
>>69477468
Hahahaha
>just picked a huge booger out of my nose
>>69477546
He was though.
>>69477601
must have been easy with the size of your nose, Ricky
>>69477601
Why sweating Pepe reaction?
Getting a huge booger out your nose is the most satisfying feel
>>69477623
it was really big
>>69477613
All he did the whole race was move backwards
Max and Rosberg where the standouts imo
Both redbull drivers did well too be honest
>>69476858
Not into politics at all m8.
I just don't give two shits about that stuff. I'm autistic as fuck about F1 though, so I don't care about anything Mallya-related unless it adversely affects the F1 team, at which point I'll be rooting for whatever keeps the team alive (and preferably still under Indian owners).
Plus, moving out of the country in a few weeks, so the Congress vs BJP shit-flinging is the last thing on my mind.
>>69477678
>sidf coming to america
not sure how I feel about this
>>69477677
>Both redbull drivers did well too be honest
Ricciardo was clearly slower than Verstappen who even with mistakes and fighting against Rosberg was way ahead.
>>69477917
And both of them were ahead of Ferrari
Is Ferrari JUSTing?
>>69477955
They're probably focusing more on the 2017 car. Right? Right?
>>69477979
They probably should be, RBR and Merc will probably fuck them with the Aero regs
who will keep the thread alive?
>>69478268
I'm always here, little buddy.
Except when I'm not.
>>69477955
Ferrari came back after Spain and Monaco as well. It probably depends on the track which car is 2nd behind Mercedes.
>>69478268
I always have this thread open. It will survive
>>69477903
Pls no bully, Mr. BSA
so lads, is the British GP worthy of downloading?
>>69478414
It's a F1 GP. If you already know who's winning it there's little point in watching it all, just watch the highlights.
>>69478414
Yes, it was MWL but with some good action
>>69464935
Grave's already dug and they're shoveling in the dirt if the most significant part of the competition is about a few words over the radio.
What a joke.
Then again, so are monarchies - but those seem to be taking a long time to die too.
>>69478443
bad thing about the Formula 1 from 2012 till now is we already know who's gonna win the race beforehand, unless some major fuckups take place
>>69478449
I'll download it then, too bored to wait till thursday for the Canal+ highlights
>F1diots
>>69478600
Want to elaborate?
>>69478443
>just watch the highlights
So nothing,eh ?
>>69478414
The pilein into the pitlane was hilarious and worth watching, i mean if you're dieing for f1 to watch maybe download it to watch in the hype hours leading up to next f1 race
there was plenty of funny slip ups on that wet turn 1 which kinda makes it interesting to watch
oh and also the hype around max vestappen cucking rosbeta
>>69464935
hamilton came 5th with a car that could have got him to 2nd in baku because he couldn't use the radio to debug what was wrong with the computer system so he went half the race without DRS
i agree they need to make the radio less strict
>>69478666
no satan
>>69478734
Aw come on, there was some cool stuff happening. Nothing really strictly racing besides Amd and Ros overtakes, but still.
>hire the best driver on the grid
>build him a shit car that can't compete in top 5 even
t. Ferrari
Vettel back to RBR when?
>>69478890
Not any time soon.
>>69478911
Newey to Ferrari when?
>>69478890
It seems like Vettel has lost it,doesn't it ?
>>69479011
no
like ricky, he's just in a rut. They'll both bounce back soon.
>>69479030
But the problem isn't Vettel
It's that Ferrari keep building shit cars and break his gearbox
>>69478890
>best driver on the grid
memes
>>69479142
>butthurt negro
Bottas --> McHonda
Screencap this.
>>69477677
>Rosberg
>Standout
The only thing that stood out about Rosberg was how bang average he is.
>>69479011
everybody said the same thing in 2014
it's Ferrari (Meme Team)
t. Ferrari Fan
Friendly reminder that if you haven't won at Monaco you cannot be considered for best driver on the grid.
Sorry amx and bully fans, it's just the way it is.
>>69445655
>Ferrari hire two drivers beaten by their teammates and wonder why they aren't doing very well.
Missed the race for work, was it particularly good?
>>69479303
grosjean didn't beat Gimi :D in 2013 though.
>>69479235
>amx can't into monaco
>>69479235
Next year will be amx's year
Screen cap this post
>>69479303
>le Ricki is better than Seb maimai
Downvoted. :(
>Where?
>Hungarian Grand Prix
>How Long?
>13 days, 2 hours, 47 minutes and 52 seconds
i'm going to check that damn site every day until it's 3 days away, from when i will check it 2 or more times per day.
Why do we do this to ourselves?
>>69479473
haha mate are you the guy i got that excellent bait.webm from a few threads back?
>>69479473
>>69479452
dumb frogposters
>>69479498
which one
>>69479499
>>69479452
>hungarian gp
it's gonna be another boring race isn't it ?
>tfw you got banned from /pol/
>tfw no gf
>>69479555
Nope, Tricky's gonna unJUST himself.
>>69479673
>browsing /pol/
>>69479673
Same here...
GAS THE KIKES RACE WAR NOW
>>69479697
>dutch posters
>>69479677
ah I see you got dubs
RBR win confirm
>>69479710
Be careful or I'll report you to the Thought Police mate
>>69479673
>tfw i got banned from all boards for doxxing when i did nothing
look at this, fucking look at this
http://www.formula1.com/en/video/2016/7/Onboard_pole_position_lap_-_Lewis_Hamilton__Great_Britain_2016.html
this is the fastest lap round the current silverstone track, its fucking pathetic, its such a shit lap but because of the power mercedes have its automatically the fastest
imagine seb in the merc? imagine the fucking laptime and precision he would be able to do and make it perfect, that i would like to watch
Portugal is a long way lads. Will BritGP be worth downloading once I'm there over probably shitty wifi?
>>69479893
they'll report you to their isp and get you fined for torrenting not even making this up
>>69479893
download it now and watch it during the trip
>>69479932
Costs precious mobile mbits, friend.
>>69479911
Doubt it.
>>69479969
go to a café with wifi or something and download it while you have a soda and watch tv
>>69479996
You don't get it, I'm currently moving towards my destination in Portugal. I'll have wifi there for dl'ing.
Can't see flags for some reason but I'm guessing it should be Spanish by now. We just passed Burgos.
>>69480041
kek my mistake
I don't think there will be any problem downloading it
I just wouldn't do that because it was the most boring race of the season.
Any driver worth a damn would shave all his hair, jizz and get an enema before every race to lower the center of gravity. None of the drivers are autistic enough.
>>69480170
>tfw didnt know what an enema was and searched it
Do people really do this ?
>>69480170
Niki Lauda literally set himself on fire to burn off useless skin, etc. to get faster
>>69480221
Its pretty standard fair in porn industry I think
>>69480170
>not getting all your limbs amputated and installing carbon-fiber replacements
>>69480223
These days burn victims could probably get a carbotanium weave skin graft to reduce skin weight. Is this why refueling was banned?
>>69479893
Fellow dutchfag in portugal here (dont worry, im leaving thursday). You can stream all past races, qualis and such on a website called racing4everyone (or something, i got it bookmarked at home but not on phone). Also tons of other motorsports.no need for download.
>>69480331
t. the portuguese police setting a trap
>>69480221
Enema before anal is pretty much mandatory in Pornywood
>>69480356
Portugese politie hier, gewoon stromen die ongein
>>69480356
stel je niet aan denk je werkelijk dat ze je van je bed lichten om zoiets
is Alonso the ultimate trackbaby
>>69480458
babby*
>>69480331
Whereabouts? I'm a Dutchfag aswell. (Florence one)
>>69480513
Lisbon. It was crazy out here last night, cars honking well after 3am
>all these hidden dutchfags
Just how mad are you aussies right now?
>>69480719
why would they be mad ?
>>69480594
Lel, was in Bayonne which is near the border of Spain. Honks were commenced even there.
>>69480799
because they live in a shithole
>>69480853
yeah i know that but it's just it ? I thought it would be a deeper motive lel
>>69480853
that's only really true if you live in the Northern Territory desu, all the other states and territories at least have some redeeming qualities
How much of an effect do you think next years aero changes will have an effect on Merc's dominance? They've got a bretty gud aero kit, but their engine seems to be their real advantage over everyone else.
>>69480887
Slim. They're not gonna have any budget problems with three years' worth of 1st place WCCs, and the board will be throwing all the cash they want at them to keep up the good job, so it's pretty much guaranteed that they've been developing the 2017 car while keeping up the improvements on the 2016's.
We can only hope that RBR or Ferrari come up with a Brawn loophole.
>>69480887
They don't have Newey. Next year is mad amx's year.
>>69480853
>australia
>shithole
>not finalnd
>>69480799
The dutch think Slicky Ricky is gonna get Webber'd
What they haven't realised is that amx is gonna come up short on points because he'll crash everytim and Ricky will beat him with consistent 2nd's
>>69481098
Ricky is a better qualifier than Max
Assuming the RB is the best car next year all he has to do is not botch the start and cruise to victory
>>69481098
you mean consistent 4th place
>>69461053
Wjat
I had GA tickets for the IMSA SCS race there last week and you can see a good amount of the track from anywhere on the infield. It's really probably not good for F1 though. Seemed kind of like a comfy town though.
>>69481175
>Aussie
>Not botching the start
You're asking a bit much from him there mate.
>>69481175
He is pretty bad at starts tbhonestly, but he's a better driver/overtaker, especially under pressure. He just needs amx to not wreck both cars.
>>69481098
>>69481175
This delusion makes you a pretty special kind of retard
>>69481005
Nah mate, Red Bull is going to win the 2017 WCC. As of Japan, Renault comes with another 20 hp upgrade slinking the power deficit from 40 to only 20 hp to mercedes. That's close enough to bridge the performance gap to the Mercs combined with the better aero. Hamilton may still win the WDC but Rosberg will probably be bullied by the Red Bulls like we have already seen this year and fall back in the points.
>Max Switches to Red Bull
>already earned more points than Kvyat and Ricciardo combined
>this is only his second year in F1
How can anyone sane not believe that Ricciardo and even Hamilton, Rosberg and Vettel are gonna get BTFO when this kid gets the dominant car and more experience?
>>69481296
That's what the British were saying about Button. Actually, they're still saying it. Keep deluding yourself.
>>69481269
only problem with that is that assumes no gains to Mercedes current performance, which will probably not be the case. They make upgrades too you know. That's the problem Ferrari has had. They hype up their upgrades, Canada/Spain/New Season rolls around and they're nowhere close because Mercedes solves their own problems. That's happened the past couple of season, including this once.
>>69481045
I'm Dutch
>>69481342
That explains why you're such a spastic
>>69481342
But you have a Finnish flag?
Are you the betaberg of /f1/?
>downgraded because of radio convo
>can't let whitey win otherwise it would be racist
>>69481324
Button never showed the same level of driving skills as Max.
Max can still improve massively from here on.
>>69481371
>hating someone because he's from a country who's driver you don't appreciate
That's a whole new level of pathetic
>>69481371
Don't be a cunt m8
>>69481386
I don't even know what that means, I live in Helsinki
>>69481400
Dutchposters are spastic. Everytime you guys are here, the threads go downhill. Toothpaste is cancer desu.
>>69481448
Hihi, jij bent boos :3
>>69481448
>Weeeeeeeeeee, people I unironically don't like because their driver is better than mine are posting here
>>69481448
Australians are universally considered the worst shitposters around, on any and every board
>>69481337
Yeah, you're right in that. But the performance gap will continue to decrease slowly. If they can maintain it at 20 hp next year that should be enough. Vettel got 4x WDC with a lesser engine as well.
>>69481489
Nah cunt, our bantz are just high-test and euros can't deal.
>>69481448
Just imagine what could have been if cyka blyat didn't torpedo himself into Vettel right? Now you're stuck with us forever
>>69481534
>bantz
>not acting like a literal retard
>>69481557
U mad jarno mämmilainen?
u still can't handle the bantz?
>>69481493
We'll see what happens to engine comparisons next year. I've been most surprised by the Renault engine's reliability if anything, I thought they'd still have many more technical problems this year.
As for the Vettel years comparison, I don't think its the greatest reference point. Mercedes has actually been ahead of the pack (which includes RBR) in some instances of aero in these dominant years (front and rear wings, brake ducts). That was something Ferrari never really had when they were trying to chase RBR when Vettel was winning all their championships. So while current RBR may have some aero advantage over Mercedes, I don't think its anywhere close to the advantage they had over Ferrari or McLaren in 2010-2014.
>>69481583
>Algerian
>Goatfucker
pick both :')
>>69479673
/pol/ bans people?
how'd you even do it?
>>69481555
Blyat dindunuffin
>>69481557
Have an issue? Here's a tissue.
>>69479673
do like me evade it
>>69480221
>portufags love poopoo on their peepee
pffhaha
>>69443955
Threadly i told you so.
>>69481371
kankerhomo
>>69481607
is anyone else thinking?
hmmmm...mee too
>>69452013
>>69452013
Not trying to come off sounding like a dick, because I get what you're saying, but isn't F1 -not- about winning to everyone?
I mean, sure everyone there wants to win. I'm sure everyone at the track wants WCC & WDC, but every year that's really only the goal of 2-3 guys, and only 1-2, maybe 3 teams. Everyone else in the field is more focused on either podiums, points, or just finishing the damn race lol you can just about expect/predict the general area in the field that every teams will finish in.
Meanwhile, GP2 has a much more even playing field. I know there are performance variances among different teams, but two drivers on the same team with extremely varying levels of talent can literally be in first & dead last, while those same two drivers in F1 may only be a handful of positions apart.
So baring that in mind, I believe just about every driver in the GP2 field goes into every race weekend believing that they can end up as the winner. Vs. F1 where both drivers at Manor, Renault, Haas, Sauber, & Toro Rosse know every race that they won't win. McLaren should be in that group too, but their drivers seem to truly believe McLaren will magically challenge Mercedes upon every upgrade.
>>69481710
>but isn't F1 -not- about winning to everyone?
If it was then only Mercedes, Ferrari and RBR would compete
the rest are literally wastes of space in the current format
>>69481710
>but their drivers seem to truly believe McLaren will magically challenge Mercedes upon every upgrade
They're waiting for next year basically. Hypothetically, Honda will get the shit together next year, and because McLaren is basically the work's Honda team, they should be able to compete with Ferrari/Merc/RBR (who are/were the works Renault team)
Hypothetically Renault's car could/should be good next year as well, but I think they're lacking in Driver talent.
>>69481791
kanker Australie
>>69481814
Speak English mate, your empire failed hard; no one understands your backwards language.
>>69481842
Met je temeijer hoofd
>>69481489
Brits are just as bad with their constant victim complex.
And Dutch plastics who only started watching and joining these threads after Amx became the latest meme driver are outshitposting Straya.
They're fucking ridiculously stupid and ignorant.
>>69481858
>victim complex.
pls germany, there was a constant thread up for days about laughing at england and brits as a whole are shitposted on hard, after brexit for another example
Can't get a screencap like pic related on silverstone stage to increase my mad frog nuttedbutstillsucking folder. Stupid FOM
>>69481765
B-but what about McLelren Honda
t. Ron Benis
>>69481858
>They're ignorant
>>69481885
Brexit is the ultimate end result of your victim complex though.
>baw our country is shit
>its the EUs fault!
>get BTFO
>everyone laughs at you and your economy
>baw why are they laughing at us
>it's everyone else's fault!
Kys my man.
>there are europhiles in this thread, right now
>>69481858
yEAH
>>69481985
lool memes xD trump lol
>A German
>Thinking he is ANY different from a Dutch person
lol literally the same kind of cucks with the same language but in another dialect
>>69481997
you are mad haha
i can't wait for offseason /f1/
Its hard to have a discussion with all this fucking nationalism
Official /F1/ Poster Powerlevels
Nick>Rare Guernsey>everyone else>POWER GAP>Toothpaste
I forecasted the amount of points after Silverstone
>>69482100
S-senpai rated me above Dutch posters!!! Uguu~ did you finally notice me??
Don't bully!
>>69482134
>forecasted
Silverstone was yesterday.
So who do you guis genuinely think is the best driver currrently? As in: who would win the DC if the cars were all equal?
Spamfilter: you can't pick ham or ves.
>>69482156
He's Dutch, some retardation must be accepted.
>>69482168
Vettel in the Merc would lap Hamilton every race
>>69482156
Yeah no shit, this forecasts the amount of points the drivers will obtain for the rest of the season based on points obtained this season including Silverstone
>>69482174
(You)
>>69482196
You're so fucking dumb holy crap.
>>69482196
Oh, I get it now. You should put a bold line where fact ends and forecasts start.
And maybe use two different colours for the RBR drivers.
>>69482241
Yeah it's a bit of a mess, kjnd of ran out of colours too.
>>69482168
Ricciardo
>>69482134
You do know linear extrapolation is pretty useless in this scenario right
Hell, look at Hamiltons season so far. That's evidence plenty.
>>69482156
He posted it a few days ago. But I dunno if anyone saved it. Most likely he changed it.
>>69482168
ALO obviously
>>69482187
So wrong desu. Vettel's form has dropped. This year he's been crap and whingy, or run his own race in 3rd. Kyvat proved that Vettel forgot how to drive properly in China.
>>69482168
Without a doubt, Jensen Button.
He beats his teammate every season
He won a hard fought 2009 WDC in an underperforming car
He put on the best drive in F1 history at Canada in 2011
He now drives for F1 heros, Mclaren
He puts their struggling car in the points every race
>Britians will defend this
>tfw you get banned from /pol/ but still manage to start a race war in /f1/
>>69482168
Vettel or Hamilton would probably be at the front if the cars were all the same. But since Vettel can't into wheel to wheel racing, they'd have loads of crashes and Alonso would win the championship.
>>69482168
1. Alonso
2. Vettel
Power Gap
>>69482168
If the cars are shit, Alonso.
If the cars have EBDs, Vettel.
Otherwise, Tricky.
>>69482300
>race war
>basically Australians vs Colgate
Keep deluding yourself.
>>69482277
Sure, I'm using Double Exponential Smoothing to smooth the results and forecasting a bit.
But it's just something I've written for Computer Science courses using a more applicable data set. I thought it might work on F1 data.
>>69482403
Apply it to how many shitposts come from all countries in a thread over time.
Count all AUSposts and Dutchposts as shitposts.
>>69482357
>He think it isn't a race war
>>69482168
Alonso
look at the 2012 season
>>69482168
1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Vettel
4. Ricciardo
5. Rosberg
6. Vestappen
7. Raikkonen
8. Perez
9. Button
10. Bottas
11. Sainz
12. Magnussen
13. Grosjean
14. Hulkenberg
15. Kvyat
16. Massa (r.i.p. ;_;7)
17. Wehrlein
18. Haryanto
19. Nasr
20. Ericcson
21. Gutierrez
22. Palmer
>alonso
>still good
end this meme already
>>69482168
1. mdmax
2. jos verstappen
3. everyone else
NL NL NL NL NL
>>69482730
2ndberg has no place that high up
>>69482168
Jense took DC away a long time ago
God fucking dammit Rosberg step it up and win this championship. Hamilton's engine penalties are going to help but Rosberg needs to win races AS WELL as those upcoming times he'll outscore hamilton for his grid pens. I want to believe, but I just don't.
>>69483041
Thing is right, and get this;
Rosberg is shite.
>>69482168
Hamilton
>>69483041
>implying they wont sabotage Rosbergs gearbox every time Hamilton gets an engine penalty to even things up
Just watched the race.
Why the fuck did they start under sc?
Is this how it goes? Just a tiny bit of rain means sc start now?
Fucking hell, starts are the most exciting part of F1 for fuck's sake.
>>69482876
>>69483214
Rosberg's only weakness is wheel-to-wheel racing, which I admit is pretty damning, but he's demonstrated he can be just as fast as Hamilton in both race and quali. Barring Silverstone, Rosberg's wins this year have been more dominant than Hamilton's, and re: quali, Hamilton is likely the best on the grid over one lap. I think he easily would out perform 3/4 of the other drivers if they were put into the second Merc against Hamilton
Also, he's generally an intelligent, dependable, consistent, and precise driver (inb4 Austria), which does count for a lot despite not being flashy traits.
>>69483537
This always cracks me up
>>69483571
You forgot rain
rosberg is the absolute worst in the rain
whereas hamilton is senna-tier
>>69483451
because they're pussy bitch coward faggets who are more worried about manors car fixing budget than providing entertainment to the viewers
>>69483733
>hamilton is senna-tier
He's good, but he's nowhere near as dominant as Senna and Schumacher used to be in the wet.
I'd put him as Jean Alesi-tier in the wet. Well above average but not GOAT-tier, much like Alesi was whenever it rained.
>>69483733
(Rustled guy from above)
This is my main concern. Hamilton is fucking insane in the rain, Rosberg is dogshit. A couple more wet races and Lewis could walk it to the championship.
>>69483571
>Rosberg's only weakness is wheel-to-wheel racing
Which is the majority of the point between teammates. If Rosberg was pitted with Vettel as a team-mate, Vettel would easily win, despite both of them being terrible at wheel to wheel. Rosberg is average in his own race, and terrible fighting other cars. He's not fast, and when conditions change, he's worse.
The only reason he is where he is, is because dumping him to gain a better driver would piss off Hamilton, and Hamilton is basically half the demographic Mercedes want to sell to. They're clearly eyeing up replacing him with Wehrlein or Bottas, if Lewis doesn't walk to the next best team.
>>69451256
And yet they still outperform better funded teams like Renault, STR, HAAS and even half of Ferrari this weekend.
>>69451256
kek what the fuck
>>69482168
ves
>>69482286
Is this bait?
>Was beaten by Hamilton, beat Alonso in a meme season with 1000 place grid penalties in the worst McLaren of all time so it doesn't really matter, only really destroyed second-rate drivers as teammates like Barrichello, Magnussen, McLaren-era Perez
>underperforming car
>Brawn GP
Best car on the grid by miles, first races of the season were cruise to victory and it was the best car until the point they stopped developing it
>Best drive in history
Meme race, crashed into his teammate, if you're last like 3 times because of your own fucking around then it's obviously not a great drive even if you finish first
>McLaren a shit
>Button doesn't even score points every race
why did i reply to this
>>69483946
>outperform
Nigger what, they just lucky to get the Merc PU
>>69483733
>>69483813
Hamilton is certainly above average in the rain but he really isn't so good its hard to comprehend. Senna and Schumi both were so exceptional in the rain that they made everyone look like a joke. Hamilton's performance in the rain recently is inflated because he's compared to Rosberg who can't drive in the rain at all, like one of the worst in the rain out of anyone on the field.
The only true post-classic era F1 rain masters are Schumi and Senna.
Verstappen is also showing quite a bit of promise in the rain (not that he needs any more hyping). Of course the Red Bull seems to be better in the wet than Merc but the fact that he was battling and considerably faster than a Mercedes at all is remarkable in itself. And it's not like Red Bull had a "wet setup" because it rained 5 minutes before the start of the race and no team was expecting it.
I don't know if Bottas and Massa are literally the worst wet drivers ever or if its just that the car is somehow just completely incapable of wet conditions for a 3rd year running.
>>69484430
The fact that they're even occasionally straight up better than Ferrari should not be acceptable under any circumstances. The difference between the Ferrari and Mercedes power units really isn't that drastic anymore anyway.
Plus Force India seem to be consistently better than Williams this year as well so I think it's fair to say they are doing a great job with the resources they have.
>>69484638
>The difference between the Ferrari and Mercedes power units really isn't that drastic anymore anyway.
Yes it is, you fucking faget
>Ferrari qualifying in 3rd place with +2s to Mercedes
>hurr not much difference
Foreskindia don't outperform shit. The Merc engine does.
>>69484331
It actually makes alot of sense. It weighs less, and costs alot less then the CF the rest of the teams use.
And apparently the weight of the wheel makes it harder to turn or some shit, hence why Williams have the screen in the bulkhead.
why is betaberg such a drybabby
>>69484692
It's mainly because the Ferrari is basically a Brick. The engine is rumored to be more powerful the Merc, but the aero is more drag then downforce, so they suck in corners, and can't get as fast on the straights.
Also it seems to wreck gearboxes lel.
>>69484721
Maybe he likes a loose rear and prefers to sacrifice downforce for straight line speed.
>>69484794
and it can't turn on tires as well as the others
how can than the most well-funded, historically significant team with the most seasons and experience in F1 mess up like that?
>>69484794
even if it's true that the engine is more powerful, it doesn't mean that's necessarily better. probably the mercedes engine is better at getting the power to the wheels, ferrari had big problems with that (especially 2014) the last couple of seasons, though it looks better this season. I believe the electrical engine side has a lot to do with that
>>69484794
There's a reason they tried to buy Newey. Shouldn't have let RB outbid them. Fucking Austrian Jew.
Anyway I doubt the Ferrari is more powerful, the current Merc develops 1000hp...
>>69484818
>Maybe he likes a loose rear
Seems he likes them dumpy and flat. Could be loose, depends if she lets Lewis get up in the butt.
>>69484849
Historically they suck. They had to pull in the best of the best to win the Schumi years. Ferrari as a company have been working on accidental success, and brand awareness since the start. It's literally why Lamborghini exist.
>>69484525
Williams just can't seem to make a car that works in the wet. To be honest Williams struggle to make a good car anymore.
>>69485048
Williams, McLaren and Ferrari should probably just exit the F1 eventually.
>>69484692
The Mercedes engine is probably marginally better, but it isnt TWO SECONDS a lap better. Even the Honda isn't two seconds slower just based on the engine alone.
The point is that Ferrari have many other problems that makes them shit that isn't anything to do with the engine. Red Bull make do with a much worse engine and are now consistently beating Ferrari even with the flaws of the Renault.
Ferrari's problems off the top of my head
>can't get tires into the right working window ie cant heat them up properly
>too draggy of aero without having that much downforce
>still a shitty front end that isn't as direct as drivers want
>gearboxes
Red Bull and Mercedes look to be on rails and Ferrari is always searching for the grip even in quali. The "on rails" is exactly the type of car both Vettel and Gimi excel with, with a very pointy low end.
>>69485048
I think they lost alot in the early-mid 2000's and they haven't got it back. The entire era where they had Maldonado they were just on life support. The switch to Merc PU put them back at the top end, or top of the midfield now, but I think they need to become a semi-works team now to really compete with the top end all season long.
>>69484430
>>69484692
>muh PU
Force India have outperformed Williams at the last few races
Stop being a butthurt little Kraut
>>69485222
Perez has outperformed Betaberg at alot of the last few races in terms of driving even.
>>69485048
They were so confident in the beginning of the season lol. They moved away from their straight line rocket philosophy and tried to become Merc 2.0 and just ended up with a shitty draggy car that isn't particularly good at anything.
Should have just gone with the low drag/low downforce "fuck Monaco" style of car. It seems like they retained all the negatives of that car whilst making everyhing else also worse and the top speed nowhere near as dominant.
>>69485172
Williams has been a joke for a long time. They will probably fold once Frank dies and no one has the "passion" to run a shitty team anymore because its so expensive and unrewarding. They were decent if not amazing in early 2000s but haven't been good since the JPM/Ralf era. Totally lucked into the recent results by choosing the best power unit and benefitting from the colossal failures of at least 3 teams that are on paper meant to be in front of them (Red Bull, Ferrari, McLaren). Now they are just going back and McLaren will be in front of them eventually and they'll literally be Sauber tier
>As well as showing his appreciation for the British fans at Silverstone, Hamilton was also fulsome in his praise for the circuit. It was, he believed, “bigger balls” that made him quicker than Rosberg through Silverstone’s fast corners.
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/jul/10/lewis-hamilton-british-grand-prix-silverstone-nico-rosberg
>>69485303
I'm talking about the cars, not the drivers. The Force India car is very good, sometimes better than the Williams, which is a pretty big achievement for a team of their size
But yes Perez is very good. It would have been pretty cool to have seen him replace Kimi at Ferrari in my opinion. Kimi is an all time great but he clearly doesn't give a shit any more.
>>69480170
>this and laxatives, dehydration used to be standard for horse jockeys.
>>69485320
They should and probably will jump ship into the Honda PU when it gets good.
>>69485354
The Sky commentators mentioned that he doesn't seem to give a fuck when he's in Ferrari. He was mad good at Lotus, but he just slacks in the Ferrari now.
>>69485354
>>69485438
>clearly doesn't give a shit any more.
yet still outscores Vettel (who tbf has had some bad luck)
>>69485563
That's because bad luck and also because Vettel is clearly shit.
>>69485438
I hope another team do start running Honda soon because it will benefit McLaren and I want to see them do well again.
Exactly he's stopped caring now. Probably because he knows he's at the end of his career, and he knows his car isn't competitive enough to get the wins / WDCs he would like to get. So he just thinks fuck it, let's just enjoy the money while it lasts.
>>69485563
Has there been a single race this year where he's outperformed Vettel without Vettel having bad luck?
>call vetlel shit for years
>f1 defends him
>finally everyone agrees he's shit
>>69485706
>Vettel wins everything at Red Bull
WTF i hate Vettel now!
>Vettel moves to Ferrari and gets a few plucky wins in not the best car
>WTF I love Vettel now!
>Vettel at Ferrari but struggling more because of reliability and arguably worse car
WTF I hate Vettel now!
Vettel is literally bandwagoning: the driver
>>69485706
I don't think he's shit, he outperforms Raikkonen.
His car is shit.
>>69485706
I'm pretty sure most of the ausposters noticed ages ago. Becuase Webber, and especially because Tricky Ricky.
>>69485783
>mfw I always liked Fettle
>hating Vettel
Literally asking for more Nicos and Niggers
You're the reason F1 is dying
>>69485828
>>69485960
Vettel is based. Funny how everyone seems to now rate him the best on the grid even though back at Red Bull he was an undeserving carbabby
He is very good but I don't think he is the best on the grid right now
>>69485960
Nico's are good
One won LeMan's and the other one is hilariously embarrassing.
>>69485960
Vetlel wins lol almost killed the sport
>>69485823
Yet Vettel still managed to BTFO Wobbler for four consecutive seasons.
>>69486012
So you hate him because he's good?
>>69486031
>good
Car babby
>>69486122
That is the name of the game though, it's always been like that. Most of the time the WDC isn't the best driver but the one with the best car, you can only ever really compare team mates.
>>69486122
Firstly, this: >>69486184
Secondly, explain how Wobbler came 3rd, 3rd, 6th and 3rd in those four seasons.
>>69486031
Basically because Webber can't start. Every time they went wheel to wheel, Webber was clearly more in control, and most of the time when Vettel overtook, he let Vettel go past. Even Horner admitted several times that Webber just let Vettel go, otherwise they would have crashed.
Webber wasn't that good, but the fact that Webber got the backup strat, and had more reliability problems, still holds a lap record or two, and was generally competing with Vettel, proves that Vettel wasn't as good as the hype suggests. What it does prove, is that the Schumi-Strategy works to market the driver and the team, and win races.
>>69484818
>Maybe he likes a loose rear
So did Schumacher, though
>>69484818
>Maybe he likes a loose rear
Lol
>>69486327
I'm not saying Vettel is one of the best drivers of all time. But I am saying he's not "shit".
He's still one of the best drivers on the grid at the moment. Top 5 at least, I would say.
>>69486324
>14:88 am
jej
>>69486564
1. ALO
2. HAM
3. RAI (when he tries)
4. RIC
5.... yeah you might have a point
>>69445990
Please let it be so
>>69486122
>>69486327
Cry me a river anglos.
>Gap to Rosberg now 1 point.
Some of you are okay, don't go to Hungary.
>>69485706
Vettel is the second best driver of all times (after MSC), sorry muhammed. :)
>>69486657
No, just no.
>>69486741
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CU5PGtjOev0
Confirmed babby
>>69486745
real smooth
thanks a lot
now what the fuck do I do
>>69486834
Be a good Hungarian and don't disciple me :3
>>69486834
Stay away from Bieber bois garage and you'll be fine.
>>69486657
Raikkonen might have been better in his prime, perhaps. But he's not right now.
Also I'm reluctant to try and rank them because I think a driver's success depends on a few things - their talent, the car they happen to get in, their confidence, their age (younger drivers are hungrier and take more risks, but obviously are more inexperienced), the psychological battles they have with their teammates, etc.
Just like any other sport really, they find a run of form.
E.g. if you put Alonso, Hamilton, and Vettel all in the same car for a year, I wonder what would happen. Their success would depend on the personal battles between them really. But all three are very competitive drivers (even Alonso in his old age is still very competitive) so it would be great to watch. I reckon all three would win races though.
bump
>>69486980
RAI in Lotus was mega. That team was basically shit, and he still put in some ridiculous drives. Monaco in 2013 was ridiculous, hence the argument he just slacks in Ferrari's.
I would say RAI, HAM and ALO are top tier, and VET is an unknown quantity. He was crap vs RIC in the RBR, and the current Ferrari is hard to quantify. Going off base logic, he was great with the NA RBR, but I'm sus that he just had the best car, and a submissive team-mate in WEB. I would say both RAI and VET's forms are equal, but for different reasons. RAI just doesn't give a fuck, VET is having trouble with the shit car, and I think, having a teething period with learning how to race in the field. He whinges and sulks alot.
>>69486980
>>69487276
I have no fucking idea what Kimi's deal is. When he says he wants to win he's not lying. He does want to win every race, but just sometimes doesn't even seem to try.
What changed between 2013 and 2014? Well the 2012-2013 cars were a lot lighter. Maybe he just excels with the type of cars he's used to driving all his career, light, high downforce etc. He seems to finally be adapting to the new formula but even then he is occasionally just nowhere. And yea he is lazier than other drivers but its not like he straight up doesn't try because what would be the point.
Maybe the technology has become so advanced and the setup so intricate that he simply doesn't naturally understand the cars anymore and his "natural talent" doesn't give him any sort of edge anymore. I can't even remember the last time I saw him drive like he used to, attacking the corners like crazy and really pushing aggressively.
It's weird because if he had retired after 2013 people would have said wow what a great comeback, really showed he could still race with the best. Had he retired in 2014 people would have used him as an example of droppping off with age until the end of time. If he retires now he would be "pretty good but not the same as the old Kimi". And with all of this, I don't think he has changed as a driver at all. He is still as good as he was at Lotus or before his first "retirement".
It'd be interesting to know what others think about his performance and why it fluctuates so much
>>69487445
>he is lazier than other drivers
He's been trying to change that now. For most of his career, he didn't drive in the simulation and never did track walks, for example. Now he's doing both. After he botched the start at Monza, he practiced the start procedure like 1000 times in simulator. Maybe too little, too late.
>>69487501
he did get beat by a child twice now
Does rosberg deserve to win this year? Does he deserve to be beaten for the third year in a row, and probably never winning a WDC?
>>69487501
High chance Ferrari invited him to a meeting about re-signing, politely asked him to use the sim and do trackwalks, and then talked about young driver tests.
>>69487276
>VET is an unknown quantity.
Top mad australian. By people who actually know the sport, you know like actual F1 drivers he's ranked way above RAI.
Even in 2009 before he had a single WDC he was ranked the 26th GOAT by other F1 drivers.
http://f1greatestdrivers.autosport.com/?driver=26
>>69487699
the latter
>>69487271
Nice crash.
>>69487881
This
Don't get why Straya is so butthurt about Vettel, must be a Ric shitposting thing.
Vettel is the fastest driver on the grid, and 3rd fastest in history, maybe 2nd. Senna is 1st and it's a coin toss between Schumi and Vettel.
>>69487699
>deserve
quit with this bullshit
if he outscores Hamilton, then he's earned it. it is literally that cut-and-dry
>>69483451
Merc probably made them do it so they don't have to risk losing their positions in the rain.
>>69484394
He can beat anyone when the team actually gives him a car that doesn't have massive understeer.
>>69487881
Again, people ranked Button high, and same with various other drivers in the last 16 years. Vettel is hype, the same way Verstappen is hype. Hype doesn't equal performance, and looking at Vettel this year, he looks poor and his performance is poor. Verstappen and Ricky likely to make RBR overtake Ferrari in the WMC before the seasons out.
>>69488009
>Straya is so butthurt about Vettel, must be a Ric shitposting thing.
It's the aftertaste of Webber actually. Ricky is clearly better then Vettel. Everyone knows this.
>>69488067
No he isn't.
>Vettel is hype
>4 consecutive WDC
What a naive meme spouting retard you are.
>>69488067
>people ranked Button high
I'm not talking about "people". I'm talking about actual F1 drivers. You are incredibly stupid and arrogant for thinking you know better about F1 drivers than actual F1 drivers. If that survey had been done today he would probably be top 15 instead of 26
>Vettel is the fastest driver on the grid
So what does that make Ricciardo?
>>69488100
For four year of dominance we kept hearing from his apologists 'just wait till he gets a different teammate, then he'll prove himself.' He didn't. Even now, he's barely beating an old man who's stopped trying.
I know four world championships sounds impressive, but repeating it enough doesn't excuse his consistent mediocrity.
>>69488100
>McLaren going to shit
>Williams on life support
>Ferrari the only competitor, with a shit car
>20+ sec lead before first pit
Wasn't hard. Anyone that could have launched the car properly could have done it.
>>69488136
>You are incredibly stupid and arrogant for thinking you know better about F1 drivers than actual F1 drivers.
Prost Grand Prix:
Constructors Championships 0 (best finish: 6th, 1997)
Drivers Championships 0
Race victories 0 (best finish: 2nd)
Podiums 3
Pole positions 0 (best grid position: 3rd)
Jordan Grand Prix:
Constructors Championships 0 (Best finish: 3rd in 1999)
Drivers Championships 0 (Best finish: 3rd in 1999)
Race victories 4
Podiums 19
Pole positions 2
Fastest laps 2
Engineers>Drivers when it comes to determining who's a good driver.
>>69488100
I do think Vettel is very good, probably one of the greats when he retires but his Red Bull days, half the field could have done what he did in that car.
He was paired against an extremely shit Webber chokelord and very clearly had the backing of the team as well. Those cars were so good from 2010 to 2013 and he almost managed to throw away the title twice.
You could throw someone like Nasr or Ericsson into those Red Bulls and even they would have come out of it with at least 1-2 titles. Similarly if Vettel never got those GOAT machine cars he would never be rated so highly by anyone and probably wouldn't be driving for Ferrari currently.
>oceanicfags this delusional
Truly the biggest shitposters when Aquafresh leave.
>>69452303
>'05-'10 comfy
>complains about lewey lewey
Did you forget '07-'08 being Hamania?
>>69488354
Don't worry, their caretakers will give them their meds soon and put them to bed.
Then you and I can continue making out :3c
>>69488297
>Engineers>Drivers when it comes to determining who's a good driver.
HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAH You're even more stupid than I thought.
1. You're NEITHER an engineer or a driver so your opinion is still worthless
2. No, engineers>Drivers when it comes to building a fast car, obviously.
3. Jordan IS a driver, he's NOT an engineer. You just BTFO'd your own argument
In closing, retarded casual fan think he knows better than literally everyone who's actually qualified.
>>69488268
Christ, Vettel had ONE off season, so what? Lewis had a shit season as well, in 2011. Does that mean Ricciardo is better than him too?
You're right that 4 WDCs isn't the full picture when that Red Bull was so dominant but he still had to fucking win those championships and he did so, comfortably beating his teammate who was still a very good driver
And look at Ricciardo now, best driver on the grid isn't he? Oh no wait he's being beaten by an 18 year old who's only been open wheel racing for two and a bit seasons
Get the fuck over youself
The general has taken a big turn from comfyville to trashcity in the last few weeks. I personally blame Mercedes and that one Poortugal poster that is actually for real mentally retarded.
>>69488749
I always blame blue flags
>>69488533
Jordan was a crap driver though. Prost was much better, and his team was garbage. And also my point was that Jordan's team was less garbage, but still garbage.
>retarded casual fan think he knows better than literally everyone who's actually qualified.
Drivers aren't qualified. Just because they drive, doesn't mean they can objectively judge the performance of another driver. Unless they can understand the data of a driver that the pitwall gets, they're basing it off the same inaccurate variables we are.
Consider that Sky employ Damon Hill, Martin Brundle, Johnny Herbert, Anthony Davidson and Paul Di Resta, and they're all diamonds for Hamilton and Button. Are Hamilton and Button the best drivers in the field?
>>69488785
>Consider that Sky employ Damon Hill, Martin Brundle, Johnny Herbert, Anthony Davidson and Paul Di Resta, and they're all diamonds for Hamilton and Button.
>The British F1 coverage focuses on the British drivers
GEE WHAT A SURPRISE
Daily reminder that there will never be another GP as comfy as the first Baku GP
>>69488785
There's not a single person involved in F1 in any way that thinks "Riccardo is clearly better than vettel", I don't even think you could get RIC himself to say it.
You're just plain stupid and arrogant, and there's no use talking to you since you literally think you "know better than everyone who's actually qualified"
>>69488297
>Anyone that could have launched the car properly could have done it.
So why didn't Webber do it eh?
reminder that 2018 will be his year
>>69488866
They actually rate both of them high relative to other drivers, especially Button. Even Palmer. They could be hyping them just because the demographic is mad for it.
>>69488908
Again, how are drivers qualified? They're just looking at onboards and track times, and hearing what the Engineers tell them. It seems you're just romanticizing the role of the driver, and salty that I said RIC>VET.
>>69488964
Webber sucks at launching, straight up. Probably why he does well in WEC where they use running starts desu.
>>69489059
>Again, how are drivers qualified?
>There's not a single person involved in F1 in any way that thinks "Riccardo is clearly better than vettel"
>involved in F1 in any way
Not only are you retarded, you can't even read your own language properly
Finally fucking there, what a journey.
> no wifi
>>69489030
It's a shame his father won't be around to see it
>>69489059
>They could be hyping them just because the demographic is mad for it.
Christ that WOULD be a surprise wouldn't it. It just so happens the drivers they rate are the ones their audience want to hear about! What are the odds?
How the fuck are you this thick? I know Aussies are descended from criminals but this is just taking the piss, surely
>>69489097
So basically, you backpedaled lowkey, and you're calling me out for it?
Driver's opinions on other driver's don't mean shit. Engineers is what counts bruv.
>>69489119
The salt is real.
Are you all mad that Slicky Ricky and the Frog are gonna wreck shop next year, and until the reg's change?
Not my fault that VET is hype and bandwagon.
>>69489185
>Engineers is what counts bruv.
And there's not a single engineer in F1 who thinks "Riccardo is clearly better than vettel"
You're just plain stupid and arrogant, and there's no use talking to you since you literally think you "know better than everyone who's actually qualified"
>>69489030
2016 - German F4 & Italian F4
2017 - FIA Formula 3
2018 - FIA Formula 3
2019 - GP2
2020 - F1
I remember the days when Aussie shitposting was just bullshit being spewed ironically.
>>69489216
>There's not a single person involved in F1 in any way that thinks "Riccardo is clearly better than vettel"
>And there's not a single engineer in F1 who thinks "Riccardo is clearly better than vettel"
No one in F1 actually would say anything as final as that. Everyone's mad polite/PC. Is there any sources for 'Riccardo is worse then Vettel'?
While I've got you, how did you dumb cunts fuck up SAAB? I mean, our cars were always trash, but what the literal shit? China is basically fixing the mess you made with Volvo too. Do Swede's even get cars, or are you all just bankers?
>>69489325
>No one in F1 actually would say anything as final as that.
How fucking new to F1 are you? There are hundreds of people from F1, both former and current who rate drivers each year. They even make yearly polls like this one
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122079
I just don't get what kind of brain you must have when every single qualified person disagrees with you and you still doesn't change your mind. I assume you browse /pol/ or /x/ too
>>69489227
>not winning F3 in his first year
If he has enough points to qualify for a superlisence, no point going to GP2 as his name carries so much weight and interest that if he does well in F3 or GP3 he will get picked up by F1
Then again we don't really know if he is a Ralf or a Michael yet
>>69489185
>Driver's opinions on other driver's don't mean shit. Engineers is what counts bruv.
I don't know why the flying fuck you think this when you have no evidence for it whatsoever. And showing that Alain Prost, dumb fuck Frenchie who lucked himself into some great cars, can't run a team doesn't prove anything
>Are you all mad that Slicky Ricky and the Frog are gonna wreck shop next year, and until the reg's change?
No, I like both of those drivers. You're just thick as two short planks mate.
Is MotorsTV dead?
>>69489462
Ah so Lewis _is_ the best driver?
And pic related is also confusing.
>>69489505
Ralph wasn't that bad either pls no bully ralph ;_;
>>69489462
>http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122079
>2015 AUTOSPORT TEAM PRINCIPALS' TOP 10
>5 Daniil Kvyat (69)
how the mighty have fallen
>>69489566
Hang on, Massa is higher then Vettel.
This is starting to make sense....
>>69489566
What's confusing about it? It's a list. I start with 1 and ends with 10. Basic maths.
>>69489566
It rates them per season retard, not overall. Vettel beats Ricciardo by a huge margin in every season except one, which is completely expected since Ricciardo beat him that year. Obviously Vettel is held in much higher regard overall, by engineers, drivers, TPs, whatever.
The only people who don't are retards like you with no qualifications at all.
>>69489566
>confusing
they are rating drivers based on that season's form, not for their career, dummy
>>69489566
>2014
>cherry picking Vettels off season
>Some Australian in the middle of the night/early morning is this fucking mad that his favorite driver and Australias only F1 hope is getting his hype shattered by some 18 year old frog
calm down mate, you'd think you would be used to it by now after enduring the flourishing career of Mark Webber.
Guys calm down I'm trying to enjoy my holiday here.
>>69489750
>Holiday in the Netherlands
for what reason?
>>69489462
>>69489566
>Team Principals
You know, I think I'd take the opinion of some delusional Aussie over that of Arrivabene or Kaltenborn tbhfam
>>69489750
How big is MAX in the Netherlands? How big was he before his first victory?
>>69489566
>Vettel had one off season so he's bad lelelelel
Please kill yourself
>>69489764
Probably the weed 2bh pham
>>69489798
>>69489764
Im in Portugal, just using mobile phone for internet.
>>69489706
>mad
I'm fucking laughing and drunk, you see how many (you)'s I've got? Like, shit. Everyone's so defensive about the off season Vettel had. So far, in top-tier cars, it's been 1 vs 1. And this swede nigga is trying to argue that no-one would say Ricardo is better then Vettel, and then backpedaling everytime. Like, he provided the 2015 Team Principal survey, and I rebuffed with the 2014 survey, and it's all 'oh vettel had an off season'. Renault engines had an off season in 2015 but I've not even bothered to bring that up until now, and I'm still getting (you)'s while typing this.
The only reason I'm mad, is because it's 6:30am, I'm off my face, and I have to wake up at 11am.
>>69489791
>implying Arrivabene is a bad
>>69489848
Enjoy your buttrape
>>69489791
No bully the Maurizio pls
>>69489908
>laughing and drunk
>middle of Tuesday night
Jesus, dude stop. You're exposing yourself as unemployed.
I saw a ferrari f430 the other day.
It was parked on a busy beach road.
How much fucking money did the owner have to not give a single shit where he left his crazy expensive car. It would make me paranoid.
Also, kinda made me feel like a pleb. Being a ferrari fan without actually owning a ferrari.
>>69489916
Got my sis with me for protection
>>69489932
He's so fucking manly.
In the real way a man is manly, none of that "hurr punch a bear"-reddit shit
>>69489979
it doesn't matter. i doubt most ferrari owners follow f1, espeially here in Murrica.
>>69489979
Imagine you saved half the money you spent on food instead of throwing it down your pie-chute. You would now be way less fat and had enough money to buy Ferraris to keep things in as well.
>>69490002
What city?
>>69490002
Good plan, they will rape her first so you can run away
>>69489932
this is now an Arrivabene thread
>>69489706
continuing, but Max is scary desu. More so in the Aussie GP because I'm scared he'll crash into the wall where I am.
>>69489942
We have no government, it's all good. Unless we have now. Likely we'll have another election before the year's ou anyway so the years basically a piss up. And I run a home recording studio, so I'm only unemployed to the taxman.
>>69490069
What product is he using for his hair?
>>69490048
Amarante currently. Moving up to Porto next week.
>>69490056
Lel, they are all lazy manlets here with no real muscle.
>>69486829
Also lowkey KVY>VET even
Unless this year is an off year for Vettel, again?
>>69490422
lmao
Also lowkey KVY beat RIC in points last season if you forgot ;)
By this logic, Kvyat who is now getting destroyed by Sainz (who in turn got beaten by Verstappen), is a better driver than Ricciardo. Therefore Verstappen would be a whole 2 tiers better than Ricky ;)
>>69490742
>Verstappen would be a whole 2 tiers better than Ricky
tfw he actually is
>>69490781
>>69490742
see
>>69490096
I don't think you understand how real the frogphobia is.
Let's settle this once and for all
Senna vs Prost
>>69491000
Nice trips.
Piquet.
>>69491000
Piquet
>>69491000
Prost. The stats speak loud enough and anyone who cannot accept Alain's superiority is either Brazilian or brainwashed. Also, Prost was legendary for most, if not all of his career, whereas Senna's pre-McLaren performance mostly falls under "meme racing".
>>69491000
Mansell.
>>69491000
Senna is a meme.
why are german drivers such carbabbies?
>>69491144
why are american drivers so shit?
>>69491144
>>69491211
Both dubs, both right.
>>69491211
>implying
>>69491251
Damn, you're right.
Well it's still 2 +1 honorary vs 1 +1 honorary WDC against you guys.
>tfw I like amx and ricky
It's not fair that I'm going to have end up rooting for one when Red Bull sort their shit out next seasons and we end up with another Vettel v Wobbler.
>>69491000
I prefer Prost. Senna is arguably the fastest ever over one lap though (Jim Clark notwithstanding since its hard to judge pre-1980 drivers given the limited footage available)
but here's a webm of Senna holding off Prost, though
>>69491350
now that's podracing
>>69490096
He's using olive oil and cigarette smoke for his hair.
>>69491000
>rooting for le brazilian maldonado
Prost is much better
>>69480356
The portugese police couldn't even find a 3-year-old in the middle of a tourist area, what hope do they have?
What's the Haas team up to? Podiums soon?
>>69491819
>hass
>podium
top kek
if haas gets one podium ever, i will actually apply for citizenship to this shit country
>>69492159
Why can't americans/anglos into the spelling of that word?
>>69492296
Like, is it a h-ASS joke?
>>69492159
You can have mine
>>69491819
With an angry frog and a mexican...No.
>>69492296
I'm with you, but they just implied they aren't, so...
>>69492555
That's true for these particular ones, but I've noticed this before with other anglos
new thread when
>>69489030
Hearing Curry Tits wants to put Schumi into the car for next season for his comeback. But going to be difficult to fight for a race seat when there's nearly a dozen signed drivers one of them being Bianchi.
>>69492621
Well, to be fair famaladingdong, I'd say it's because they learn "by ear". So in their head this/these you're/your, should have/of, and so on are sounds and not so much written words, hence these being common mistakes. I started making them too after I started hanging out in the english speaking side of the internet back when I got internet at home (2005).
>>69492739
Interesting, and that can certainly be the case. Still it's an american brand (though granted, not an english word) wich is written out extremely large on the sides of the Haas cars. I would have guessed that for an F1 fan that would somehow register if only on a subconscious level.
What should I have for dinner lads
>>69493131
Fresh fish crumbed and pan fried
Home made potatoe wedges oven baked with a drizzle of olive oil and a couple of cracks of salt and pepper
Fresh garden salad with balsamic vinegar dressing
>>69493131
McDonalds
>>69493131
Cheeseburgers
>>69493255
>>69493252
More or less had these for lunch lol
>>69493240
I'll ask my mom if she can make this tonight, sounds delicious anon!
>>69493131
A big brown dick
>>69493131
SURE DEODORANT
Rocky >>>>>>>> Roscoe and Coco
>>69494044
He also has a dog called Bailey
>page 9
new thread pls
>>69494044
Just realized we haven't seen hamilton's dogs in public lately. Has he been beating them out of frustration?
>>69494174
I's say he ate them out of pure anger desu
>>69494146
What a weird setting for Nico and Lewis to pose for a picture in.
>tfw we'll have mini massa vs mini montoya vs mini kimi in years to come
No new thread pls
let /f1/ die with dignity
>>69494417
>tfw Sebastian Wheldon wins the Indy 500 and Felipinho Massa winning the F1 title in Brazil with Felipe in the pits breaking down
Would cry/10
>>69494472
if /f1/ dies does bernie die too
>>69494417
and mad amx will have killed himself before any of the three have won a karting championship
>>69494482
>reminding us of poor Dan Wheldon
Oh god why ;__;
>>69494569
Don't cry anon. Save it for when he wins.
SOMEONE MAKE A NEW THREAD OR THE NEXT /F1/ GENERAL WILL BE AN AMERICAN ONE
>>69495025
yo stop shouting I'm right here man
Here have your stupid thread
>>69495128
>>69495128
>>69495128
>>69495128
>>69495128
>>69495139
no thanks i don't want that one
>>69488058
Why is Jenson so adorable/likable?
>>69489581
I'd say that Ralf was probably nearly as quick as Schumi, but his ego, and the pressure I think really fucked him up hard. He was never able to replicate, nor maintain his pace.
>>69495169
Because he has the best media PR people making him seem like he is an alright guy.
He is the biggest of cunts.
>>69495160
>Not wanting Nico
![crying-baby-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/fYAdIIS.jpg "crying-baby-1[1]")
![arrivabene-[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/4PH9GJK.jpg "arrivabene-[1]")
