This has probably been posted a million times already so sorry if it has.
"This was a man that we gave plenty of options to to give himself up peacefully and we spent a lot of time talking. He had a choice to come out and we would not harm, or stay in and we would. He picked the latter."
Has this set the precident of "do what we fuckin say or we'll fuckin bomb ya"
Fuck due process just kill anyone because we can.
How the fuck was this legal? What are the legal implications this has made? Don't get me wrong this guy deserved life in prison/capitol punishment but after the courts have convicted him.
Soon it might be that when the speed trap predator drones also notice someone breaking the law they'll just send a hell fire instead of a ticket.
Bump?
C U C K
>>80380373
It's not legal.
Shocking how "accepted" this has become after 24 hours.
Local news reported "bomb robot" like a common occurrence.
Hopefully some outfit will sue specifically for bot usage and prevent bomb robot future.
It is legal.
Cops have legal authority to kill you if you are a threat to life or property. That is why they carry guns.
Dude killed people and they could have used any method to bring them down.
>>80380373
Probably had something to do with killing police officers, or threatening to bomb the city.
>>80385099
No more dead cops!
>defending niggers
LOL how fucking cucked can you be
>>80380373
Man shot 12 people, shot at people trying to talk to him, and said he had a bomb.
So they decided that it was too much of a risk to capture him since he might have a Deadman switch, and they couldn't snipe him.
>>80380373
shut the fuck up you pussy
>hurr just go into the parking lot and get shot one by one by super soldier nigger who just said he planted bombs everywhere hurrr
fuck off
>>80385410
This. By bomb robot or by gun, the point is they killed the fucker without putting themselves in further danger.
>>80385099
>>80380373
they didnt resit arrest or smoe petty shit, the guy was an active shooter who murdered multiple people, its legit to take them out if there is no other recourse to stop him
>>80385410
This is the reason. Are you just supposed to let him go and kill more white police officers?
THIS IS THE PHOTO DA MEDYA DONT WANT US TO BE SEEIN! YOU THINK IT BE A COINCIDENCE DAT HE BE BLOWIN UP A BROTHA?? NAH CHECK DIS SHIT PHAM OF HIM JUST A FEW WEEKS AGO. SMDH FAMMM. STAY WOKE.
>>80385410
police don't shoot to kill, they shoot to neutralize the threat. that's why they aim for center of mass and not the head. i don't think is semantics, either.
they sent JIHADBOT9000 in there with the sole intention of killing him. there's no way they put in a bomb thinking "this will stop him."
>>80380373
Your post pretty much answered your own nigger tier rant. shit lord.
>>80380373
>Has this set the precident of "do what we fuckin say or we'll fuckin bomb ya"
I think you'll be fine as long assuming you don't shoot a bunch of people.
>People actually protecting these nigger snipers in Dallas
>Bitching about a bomb being delivered by a RC robot
I swear to god /pol/ has the biggest nigger loving cucks on the face of the whole internet.
>>80386130
He'd already killed multiple people. He was armed to the teeth. If they tried to take him he would have tried to kill them. So they said, "nope, we're not risking any more lives".
This wasn't a drunk hiding in his house, this was a man who was a clear and present danger to them.
>>80380373
You're a fucking idiot
How do you function
>>80385571
BLESSED BE OUR SKYNET OVERLORDS
>>80385410
>threat to life or property
Srs anon? Many government officials believe if you just own a gun you are a threat to life and property. Driving a car too fast is a threat to life a property. Using words or having opinions that people don't like are a threat to life and property.
I'll agree that what a said is on the boundaries of things but a large number of people and many laws consider what I said to be threats to life and property.
Maybe I'm mistaken or don't have all the facts (part of why I made this thread) but was he still putting shots on target while negotiating and holed up in his building?
Just because you kill someone or attempt to kill someone does not give the police authority to immediately kill you. (this is not exactly relevant to this case but extremely relevant to your claim) you can legally defend yourself in a senerio like this.
>>80382883
>>80385617
>>80385681
>>80386676
>People different than me don't deserve rights.
Yeah fuck off with that I would hold the same opinion of this shit regardless of race.
>>80380373
Pedo mafia need to start setting precedents and rolling out the 100% loyal robot law enforcement before the entire U.S. population becomes self radicalized lone wolves
>>80387185
>People different than me don't deserve rights.
>The very same people that commit over 50% of the crime in the US
Oh fuck off nigger lover. Like they deserve ANYTHING from us. If they are so threatened then they can return to Africa.
I think people are just freaking out about the possibility of this tactic being used for situations that don't really require it. They aren't considering the reality of the situation that the officers were in, that the end effect would be the same no matter the cause of it.
And so they freak out about drones and robots and police controlled explosives without giving any real thought to the escalation of methods and technology and the situations that require them. They only give half a thought to those things when CNN or FOX or MSNBC shoves it towards them and forces them to react to it.
>>80385617
> Defending concept of inalienable rights
FTFY
Just like Boston, no sane man would defend the actions of these people. It is the reactions and their implications that make us nervous.
You want me to say i dont care if police officers die? ok. Its not my primary concern. Peace officers arent drafted, they play a vital VOLUNTARY role in a society. If you want to ensure nobody can ever get hurt ever again prepare to lose the ability to do a great many things.
Due process exists not to coddle bad people, but because "bad" historically gets decided by the state. And the state has a long long long history of sometimes deciding people thye disagreed with were "bad."
Its a frog in a pot situation; there is a slowly lowering threshold of summary execution and morons like BLM are missing the point entirely.
I don't care if you're a "terrorist."
I don't care if you're a murderer.
I dont care if you just slit my wifes throat.
I may want to kill you.
But not police, police taking military action makes them soldiers.
Soldiers take objectives, neutralize targets. There's dozens of perfected strategies developed by the military to accomplish hundreds of mission types. Policing is not and never will be one of them.
>>80385486
>>80385650
>>80386713
Maybe I don't have the facts correct. If he was still actively shooting and actively attempting to kill (e.g. not just threatening to have a bomb) then yes prevent him in your manner of choice. It was said that police sharp shooters couldn't get a shot on him. Which, again maybe I'm missing something, means that he also cannot get shots on police and is not CURRENTLY a threat.
I don't think that the police should have rushed the building either and gotten shot or bombed. That's fucking dumb for the people who think that. It should have been treated as any other negotiation between police and a gunman in which the police typically can wait because fuck it they get paid either way and have food and water.
His motives to the shooting are irrelevant although I openly disagree with his reasons for it.
>>80387672
This is my issue. I'm not convinced (yet) this situation called for it. I'm against the militarizing police forces to an extent. I'm believe that this tactic could very well be abused and has a decent probability to be used again if there isn't some government condemnation of the practice. "We know there is a drug cartel leader with several armed men in this house we can send officers in harms way or Wall-E the house."
>>80387110
Kek I'm nabbing this
>>80389286
>It was said that police sharp shooters couldn't get a shot on him. Which, again maybe I'm missing something, means that he also cannot get shots on police and is not CURRENTLY a threat.
He was shooting at people, and it was hours of trying to talk to him to surrender. in a armed standoff at some point the police will make a call to eliminate the person who a general threat, even if they are holed up in a house and not shooting out.
Due to the fact that he claimed to have a bomb, they were worried that he would explode on death, and kill more cops. So they used a robot .
>>80380373
>but after the courts have convicted him.
courts are liberal circuses. the nigger would have walked away a freem man because judges are nothing but cucked libs. Any nigger with a gun should be shot on sight.
>>80380373
THEY LITERALLY SAW HIM COMMIT A CRIME, therefore he can be arrested, he resisted arrest violently. I don't get your reasoning ?
>>80389550
This is the problem with allowing the militarization of the police. If we give them the means to act as a standing army on US soil they will justify increasingly militaristic methods for 'neutralizing' threats.
This is how you end up with crowds of people machine gunned and burned alive by the hundreds, a la Egypt. We are heading towards an Egyptian tier military police state.
>>80389707
That doesn't entitle the police to blow up buildings and shit in pursuit of killing him before he become an immanent threat.
>>80380373
What's the difference between this and sending in SWAT to shoot his ass down? That's usually what happens in these situations, but now we realize we don't have to risk any innocent human life. Someone is holed up with a gun and has already threatened the public? You can't just let them go. Are we supposed to spend millions of dollars on a massive perimeter and wait them out? Fuck that shit. No matter what people think, a human's life isn't worth that shit, especially some worthless turd of a human being's. Give them a chance to surrender peacefully, and if they refuse, send in Johnny 5.
>>80380373
There is no Due process in war faggot. What happened in Dallas was all out war. You will never understand until you experience such a situation yourself
>>80389826
Anon, you are barking up the wrong tree. Police have terminated active shooters for decades with whatever means they have.
>>80380373
>active shooter attacking law enforcement
>they kill him with a bomb strapped to a RC toy after he repeatedly refuses to stand down
>waah let me make a bait thread
>>80389826
>crowds of people machine gunned and burned alive by the hundreds
I see nothing wrong with this as long as its niggers and liberals.
>>80390009
>what happened in Dallas is war
Yeah that's pretty clear.
We are in a martial law scenario.
SOON
>>80385099
>It's not legal.
Says who? Where does it say law enforcement isn't allowed to blow someone up? This isn't the first time a criminal has been blown up. They're just as dead whether you shoot them or blow them up.
>>80388972
Thank you. You said it better than me.
It's ducked what that guy did and again he pretty much deserved death in my opinion but unless he was still actively attempting to kill the police do not get to issue that sentence.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plummer_v._State
>>80389550
Please cite 1 or so semi credible source that says he was STILL firing at police or others. I haven't read that anywhere yet so it's not that I don't believe it is just I haven't heard it. Again you do not lose due process because you commit a crime. You can be stopped from from actively killing someone but it is different than being executed without due process because of a crime.
>>80389987
He had killed five, and shot 12 people, and was still armed with a rifle and claimed to have explosives.
How much more of a immanent threat does one have to be?
>>80380373
A weapon to surpass metal gear...
>>80380373
This is race war. He could have been a PORW but he decided to die for his cause.
>>80390114
Martial law or not, it doesnt matter to me. Ideology, the Rule book, your faith, that ALL goes right out the fucking window when you hear that supersonic crack.
>>80390072
Permitting their means to expand beyond a certain limit will mean crossing the red line between law enforcement and occupying force.
It is in our constitution that there shall never be a standing army in the United States, and this is exactly why. Tyranny becomes the only method of public governance in force.
>>80390167
After Mr. Johnson was cornered on the second floor of a parking garage, negotiators spent hours trying to get him to surrender, Chief Brown said, but he “told our negotiators that the end is coming and he’s going to hurt and kill more of us, meaning law enforcement, and that there are bombs all over the place in this garage and downtown.”
“The negotiations broke down, and we had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect,” the chief said. “We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?_r=0
>>80386130
>police don't shoot to kill, they shoot to neutralize the threat
No, you're retarded. It's called "lethal force" for a reason. Because it's lethal. Otherwise it would be called "neutralizing force". The point is you stop using force once they're no longer a threat. If they're still alive then so be it, but if they're dead well that was the point.
>>80390005
The difference is one is attempting to apprehend someone and executing them. The former is typically a swat team tries to arrest, suspect resists violently, is stopped which is different than executed, and is then arrested. The latter is killing without due process.
>>80380373
Why is this a problem?
How else do you suggest resolving this situation?
>>80390389
>they should have shot him in the leg
>>80380373
ITT: cucked americans justifying their hard on for authority to tell them what to do. You are naive and ignorant of history and human nature if you don't think that allowing police to robot bomb won't affect ppl other than niggers. I've only had a few iteractions with them, but your police are fucking insane power crazy thugs. And you fucking worship them! "Yes sir, no sir". "Oh well he didn't do exactly what he was told / told the cop to fuck off so he deserved it." Fuck me. You know you paid the cops' salaries, right? They are supposed to work for you. Give me 6 cops Benny Hilling round a suspect any fucking day rather than fuckwits with weapons and insecurities.
>>80390367
>“The negotiations broke down, and we had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect,” the chief said. “We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was.”
This never happens by the way. There was no gunfire from the parking garage before they decided to bring in the remote explosive. The entire thing was streamed live on periscope.
>>80390341
A active shooter who killed five people, shot 12, and fired at police after negoations had started is not a "Expansion of limits"
if anything, Dallas Police were professional and did their utmost to talk to the man to surrender.
>>80390376
"due process" is a liberal code word for "let niggers off scot free". Due process is and always will be a leftist tool of white genocide.
>>80390502
Sorry anon, there was gunfire and flashbangs going off hours after the shooting. So fuck off on your false flag narrative.
>>80390517
I mean the actual armaments available to them, not the metric by which legitimate deadly force is determined.
>>80390372
You've gotten it ass backwards dude. Every training course ive been to and everything ive seen is shoot to stop. Its called deadly force because its likely to end in death but the goal is to stop them, dead or alive.
>>80390009
Like you have right?
Kek.
War. Moron; ive never been and dont expect to know better but i'm pretty fucking sure an active shooter doesn't take us to war.
Now police are definitely behaving more and more like their precincts are war zones, and that in itself is a good topic for conversation.
But this hero worship action movie fantasy that its a war-zone out there? Utter bull. People are mad because this moron snapped, but we can deal with that as a people. People die, life has tragedies. People are also mad that more and more it seems rather than adhering to the spirit of the law and the idea of policing a nation of free men and women, Police are withdrawing from culture and developing their own. Yes this is an extraordinary situation, yes he probably needed to die right then and there. But how did it come to this? How did police wind up thinking up a strategy to deploy a bomb?
I don't know the right answer to any of this.
But i do know that exclusive club oorah tripe like yours doesn't have a place in our country.
Criminals hate the idea of robotic law enforcement because you can check their programming to see if they have "systemic bias" or not. Better to keep that unfalsifiable
>>80390661
What false flag? I'm saying the cops are lying about 'negotiations breaking down into an exchange of fire'. That does not happen after he flees into the parking garage.
I seriously doubt they even attempted to communicate with him once he was cornered in the parking garage.
>>80380373
We already went through this with that gorilla being shot in a zoo a while back. Can we just agree that all types of monkeys deserve a bullet when they chimp out and move on with our lives?
>obvious educated chimp here
>>80390376
>The difference is one is attempting to apprehend someone and executing them.
Uh, no. If they send in SWAT to shoot their ass down the intent is to kill them. If the dude drops his weapon and doesn't die then that's all well and good. In the future, I'm sure these suspects will understand what the robot is and the robot will have a camera and the criminals will have a chance to drop their weapon and throw their hands up in the air.
Either way, the point is that we don't owe criminals every single chance to take them in alive, especially when this involves risking innocent human life. THEY decided they were going to die by not surrendering.
Anybody that thinks differently is absolutely retarded or a child.
>>80390376
>The difference is one is attempting to apprehend someone and executing them.
No, the difference is whether you're sending a SWAT team in to execute them or a robot.
Cops to take suspects into custody alive, but unless there's live hostages in the situation, nobody is sending a SWAT team into a room with an armed nutcase expecting the suspect to be alive afterwards.
Killing by Remote Control: The Ethics of an Unmanned Military
Bradley Jay Strawser and Jeff McMahan
A new powerful military weapon has appeared in the skies of world and with it a new form of warfare has quickly emerged bringing with it a host of pressing ethical questions and issues. This book brings together some of the best scholars currently working on these questions and provides timely and important arguments on many of the most significant and previously unexplored areas of this recent debate. Essays range from broad theoretic questions regarding the moral permissibility of killing by drones to specific examinations of particular uses of unmanned weapons such as their role in counterinsurgency operations, humanitarian interventions, and their controversial use in “targeted killings.” Some scholars engage remarkably vexing issues such as what happens to classic military virtues such as bravery for the warriors who fly remotely controlled drones from complete safety, half a world away from the combat in which they operate. Others wrestle over the future of such technology and whether “autonomous” weapons should be allowed to kill human beings. All of the views presented are given wide berth to contest, dispute, and provide sharp critical scrutiny and analysis to these contentious questions.
>>80390719
You justified the use of bombs in your own post. nice.
>>80391045
cont.
If you think that regardless of the method chosen
>killing is killing
you might be a fucking degenerate
>>80390980
>Cops to take suspects into custody alive, but unless there's live hostages in the situation, nobody is sending a SWAT team into a room with an armed nutcase expecting the suspect to be alive afterwards.
They wouldn't usually send them in at all unless they had a good reason to. SWAT usually sets up stand offs with cornered targets for HOURS before flashbanging the fuck out of them and rolling through blitzkrieg style.
>>80390719
You're arguing the fine details instead of looking at the bigger picture, faggot. This dude was a threat and they stopped him. No where in the use of deadly force does it say you absolutely need to do everything you possibly can, even risk additional human life, in order to take this suspect in alive.
>>80380373
The problem with libtards like OP is they have never encountered real life.
They only know the totally controlled, thought control experiment, as illustrated by the monday morning quarterbacking above.
Real life is open ended and combat is about possibilities rather than links in a pre-ordained logic chain.
>surrender peacefully
>no
>ok
>boom
whats the problem here? The suspect was an armed felon who had shot 5 police officers dead minutes later, and he refused to surrender
how can you operate proper cause? you attempt to peacefully restrain him your going to get a few more officers dead from an old sks, whats the alternative, just walk away from the corner where the suspect is located?
>>80391049
I agree with the use of the bomb. The intent was to disarm any possible ied and disable the suspect. It did.
>>80386676
Boot licking cuck
>>80380373
The guy said he had a bomb. They handled the situation in the safest way they could.
>>80386130
they aim center of mass because headshots are cowadooby shit.
>>80390812
This. Did they just eat donuts until the robot batteries were charged? Of course they tried to talk to him and of course the murderer was an unreasonable guy.
>>80385099
it was a self defense bombing
>>80391316
>>80391266
Blowing up undetonated explosives is a bad idea unless you know how powerful the explosive is.
GIven that there were like five cops huddled directly under the window that exploded about 20 feet over their heads if the guy really had high yield explosives on him they would have probably accidentally killed themselves.
That is primarily why I don't think they ever thought for a second he had explosives in the first place.
>>80390702
Deadly force was appropriate in this case. The method is no more "OMG" then using a tank to ram a building or any other police tactic to kill someone who is a threat to the community
The main issue is now they cannot use robots to talk to a suspect, as a suspect will shoot hte robot
>>80391130
>>80391045
Why don't you cry about the Javelin rocket launcher faggot.
>>80390901
criminals / suspects - same thing right?
I know in this case it's obvious, however people have proven not to be cool when you give them the power to summarily execute "criminals"
>>80386130
Center of mass is most likely to hit. Biggest target. Also happens to have the largest concentration of goopy soft livey organs you need to live that will make you stop hurting people if they are hit.
Also tends to make you stop living if they are hit.
Not always but usually.
>>80390812
and I am saying you are full of shit. Take your conspiracy theory elsewhere.
>>80391553
>a jury was needed to prove he killed those people
>>80390901
Swat teams are not sent in to kill. They are sent in to stop which is way fucking different m8. In self defense cases (which to justify intentional lethal force is required for all) you cannot execute someone. You can legally shoot to stop which might mean a mag dump. Might mean a mag dump from several officers. But once a person is down and no longer moving/a threat the shooting typically stops. If you can't see how that vs driving a bomb in to kill someone is different then you are absolutely retarded or a child.
>Let's see if we can end this peacefully
>I have no intention of surrendering. I am not interested in stopping, ever. You will not stop me I want to kill as many white cops as I can
BUT WHY DID THEY KILL HIM?!
>>80389286
>Maybe I don't have the facts correct. If he was still actively shooting and actively attempting to kill (e.g. not just threatening to have a bomb) then yes prevent him in your manner of choice.
Yes you don't have all the facts. After the shooting stopped, they managed to get in contact with him and negotiated for a couple hours. During this negotiation he declared he had no intention of stopping or giving up, and that he was going to continue to fight.
So he was still an active threat and declared he would continue being an active threat. The cops did what they had to do.
>>80380373
Easier to blow him up than risk more lives trying to apprehend him.
>>80391553
No, an armed dude that has killed people and stated he will kill more is not the same. We "summarily" execute these people all the time. How we're becoming so retarded all of a sudden and acting like these people deserve all our love and attention is beyond me. I understand this dude was probably a lot of people's hero though, so that probably has something to do with it.
Because the suspect had threatened that this was what would happen if the police tried to apprehend him, that he had explosives rigged and ready to go.
Honestly this is just a grenade with "legs", has the US ever used an explosive grenade to end a standoff? if so its not a precedent.
When will there be mechs for law enforcement, or at least in the military?
>>80391553
A jury was not needed to prove he was a threat that needed to be stopped because he specifically stated he was.
>>80391553
Swat is not used for regular cases, this is case of active shooters, hostages, and so on.
Even in the UK if someone has shot 12 people and killed five, and the suspect cannot be arrested, the police will after a time frame when they view negotiations are fruitless, Will use lethal force to eliminate the danger.
>>80385721
>This. By bomb robot or by gun, the point is they killed the fucker without putting themselves in further danger.
We pay them to be in danger, better they die than the nations laws go up in smoke.
>>80391687
https://www.periscope.tv/SkylineAgency/1OyKAlDVrloxb
You can find the whole thing there bud.
Not that you aren't an obvious shill.
>>80392022
No law was sacrificed.
>>80391905
They've dropped a bomb from a helicopter on people before. Not quite the same, but close enough imo
>>80391744
>Swat teams are not sent in to kill. They are sent in to stop which is way fucking different m8.
You really are retarded and have no understanding of these situations. Please stop talking, preferably "neutralize" yourself.
>>80391905
This.
PHILADELPHIA, May 13— A state police helicopter this evening dropped a bomb on a house occupied by an armed group after a 24-hour siege involving gun battles.
A 90-minute shootout this morning came after a week of growing tension between the city and the group, known as Move. Residents in the western Philadelphia neighborhood had complained about the group for years. The only known survivors from within the house were a woman and a child.
that was 30 years ago.
>>80390463
This- pig worship is a stage in the death of a civilized society. The fact that it's taken hold of one of the most unregulated parts of the internet that embodies free speech indicates just how bad things have gotten.
>>80391883
>How we're becoming so retarded all of a sudden and acting like these people deserve all our love and attention is beyond me.
People are still freaking out that the cops did it by attaching a bomb to a robot. It only takes a couple minutes to figure out that whether it's by bomb or bullet, dead is dead. The cops just used a way that wouldn't expose their guys to return fire. But the people who are imagining a legion of death robots ramming through their door and exploding in their living rooms can't make the intellectual leap.
>>80390742
..War. Moron; ive never been and dont expect to know better
Stopped reading here.
>>80392174
That shit was also grossly criminal. You shouldn't try to use what happened with the MOVE people as 'precedent'.
>>80390389
The problem is in the United states we have a right to due process like many other countries. In the US it is not constitutionally legal to kill someone without due process. It is legal to kill in defense of yourself or others who are actively in danger. My personal issue is that I'm not convinced this was in defense of people currently in danger. They should have continued with just setting up around him. Again he has no food or water his options are limited.
>>80390454
Dank memes friendo I'll see you in /k/
>>80391939
Real MadCat when ?
>>80385410
This, they could have cooked him like fried chicken if they wanted. Once you go on a killing spree you are open game for any method to take your ass out.
>>80386130
There are 2 key differences:
>The suspect had not surrendered, so it could be argued that lethal force was the only option to stop them
>The robot was more of a remote control car, so in reality it's just a tool like a gun.
If the robot was not directly controlled and somewhat autonomous, that would be different.
>>80391691
Reading comprehension problems much?
I said in this case it is obvious he was the criminal. You fucking moron.
>>80391883
I’m not saying he deserved love or any other strawman. I’m arguing that you are so busy shouting about the fact he was clearly a nigger who deserved to die, that the consequence will be an even greater slide in to a police state. I really wonder whether you even see it? Have you interacted with police in say Europe? Your police are fucking nuts. There is evidence on numerous cameras that you cannot trust them with guns, yet you are like “oh well it’s just a different method” when they bring out a fucking robobomb to kill.
>>80392345
>My personal issue is that I'm not convinced this was in defense of people currently in danger.
He specifically stated he wanted to kill as many white cops as possible and that he had no intention of surrendering.
>>80390463
Didn't know there were many based brits out there. I do figure with all the fucked laws and big brother sit you guys have though you must be over there. After the brexit I should have guessed there were more.
>>80392353
Terran Hegemony when?
We have to let them do their job, they do an unbelievable job.
https://youtu.be/09ZkpIJkvZA
>>80392528
Wanting to and actually being capable of doing so in his current circumstances are two different things.
>>80392294
Because they're niggers, White trash and communists that aren't in total control of the state yet. Apparently we have far too much garbage in our country.
Nice try at diverting the attention away from the real issue, cuck.
This is no different from when a hostage-taker refuses to negotiate and gets a bullet through his upper lip.
>>80389286
>Maybe I don't have the facts correct. If he was still actively shooting and actively attempting to kill (e.g. not just threatening to have a bomb) then yes prevent him in your manner of choice. It was said that police sharp shooters couldn't get a shot on him. Which, again maybe I'm missing something, means that he also cannot get shots on police and is not CURRENTLY a threat.
No dumbfuck, it means the snipers could not find a clear shot because he was behind cover/concealment.
>>80380373
It's completely legal because the police had no fucking choice. You can't negotiate with someone who has literally made it his purpose to murder you. You can't talk to a mad dog.
He only had 2 solutions: Death or complete surrender. The time for talking was over.
And also, would you have been willing to "negotiate" with the nigger that just shot 11 cops?
>>80392095
https://twitter.com/RobertWilonsky/status/751301318388559873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/RobertWilonsky/status/751301318388559873?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
https://twitter.com/FOX4/status/751302996680585217?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
Fuck off , next you will say Sandy hook was faked.
>>80392686
>wants to still kill whitey
>send cops in, several gets blasted before he gets dropped
>send based robot in, no one gets hurt, criminal gets his just dues.
Why is this even a topic?
Killing is killing; be it with a gun or a bomb via a robot.
>>80390463
>you pay their salaries
Yes I pay a portion of their salaries. I am not majority shareholder, thus I do not have authority to do as I wish. If I own a piece of Disneyland in the form of a stock I can't go around telling employees what to do.
What's up Durell?
>>80392528
>fuck em if they threaten something we don't like send in the bombs
http://dailycaller.com/2013/07/02/second-teen-spends-months-in-jail-for-video-game-threat/
>>80392503
>that the consequence will be an even greater slide in to a police state.
Technology is advancing. We finally have bomb robots and can use them. Like I said before, in the future criminals will know what the bomb robot is. If they choose to shoot at it they can get blown up. If they drop their weapons and surrender the bomb doesn't have to be detonated. Nobody said the police need to "fight fair", and violent criminal lives don't matter.
>>80380373
He was an active shooter and they killed him... Thomas Jefferson would have done the same thing.
>>80392686
The fact that he did kinda proves he was capable. His weapons and ammo proved he was capable. He was armed and ready. He was given the option to surrender.
Mind you I'm of the mind that police are heavy handed enough already.
>>80386676
I for one welcome our new Necrontyr overlords
>>80392168
>No law was sacrificed.
They executed a man to save themselves, they are not executioners, they should've put themselves in the line of fire and risked death to put him on trial.
>>80392503
If you have a active shooter, white, black, brown, yellow, red, who refuses to negotiate, you gonna get killed or if you unlucky, somehow survive 20 bullets in you.
If anything, they waited a long time before deciding to use lethal force.
>>80391502
Ironic that on a mongolian bbq recipe trading forum you pointed to the former infantryman who trained with the javelin missile.
It's not the matter of distance but the fact that using x method to kill y person in an z setting is up for debate.
in a non-war situation you killed an armed individual on american soil.
>>80380373
>capitol punishment
>>80392913
You are comparing online video game threats with someone who actually had a gun and shot and killed 4 people at that point. Or was it 3 dead by then.
I can't recall. There isn't a comparison here. He was 100% a threat.
At least it wasn't a dog again.
>>80392839
Also
>Claims to have put bombs all over the city, so he has most likely booby-trapped himself and the parking
Rushing the sniper like in Call of Duty would have been suicidal. The LEOs had already seen a dozen of their brothers get shot, they weren't about to risk their lives to appease the BLM parasites who want them dead anyway.
>>80392834
Also, the live TV you could hear flashbangs going off.
>>80391242
tell me all about the daily occurrences of police officers blowing up suspects with robots in this real life of which you speak
It's a first for me but then again i'm a cocooned libtard from a non country
>>80380373
>muh slippery slope
Dont forget to prep the bull faggot
>>80393015
>They executed a man to save themselves
At this point you cannot be serious.
>>80390376
>The difference is one is attempting to apprehend someone and executing them. The former is typically a swat team tries to arrest, suspect resists violently, is stopped which is different than executed, and is then arrested. The latter is killing without due process.
You get due process in court, not while holed up with a weapon firing at cops in a parking garage.
I have to say that the simplistic and child-like world view of so many people never ceases to astound and petrify me. Most of you dumb motherfuckers think this shit works like a video game.
This is real life shitbirds, not your momma's basement.
Yes, it sets the president for don't go out and murder people or we'll kill you with fucking C4
Due process should not exist for those who murder people without cause, especially cops
>>80392966
Holy fuck we live in the same nation? This is sooo cucked it's not even funny. Let's just put cameras all over because criminals will know they will get caught. While we're at it let's monitor all communications in the world for potential criminals I mean fuck it it's like like you'll ever disagree with the government. Let's place speed traps all over to make sure that criminals will know that speeding will result in a ticket. We have the technology let's use it to ensure that the government has all of the power.
>>80393015
No anon. If someone is using lethal force vs. ANYONE, police under the law have the right to use lethal force to stop them.
Hell, me and you have the right to use lethal force to stop a direct threat to life. There is no legal obligation that police must die to obtain a shooter alive. Never has been such a obligation.
>>80392782
I'm surprised it took this long for someone to point this out to this obviously sheltered and naive cunt who has no idea how anything works
>>80393118
Yet both didn't have any bombs which the police were so worried about.
>>80386130
>police don't shoot to kill
Officers are trained to only shoot to kill
It's in their contract and the laws of the US government. You cannot shoot to maim, they are to fire their guns with the sole intention of killing.
Any type of shooting to incapacitate is done by SWAT
>>80380373
There was a long fucking standoff, that guy was determined to kill more and they finally decided on the best way to stop him.
At some point think smarter not harder needs to apply.
>>80392808
And what if he had hostages? A bomb robot would have been out of the question then so the pussy police would have had to find a different solution.
>>80393450
>Mass surveillance is the same as one robot engaging an active threat because they both use electricity and the wi-fi
Yeah, nah, you're retarded.
>>80393710
I think they were pretty worried about him shooting people up too. The shooter whose name I forget already.
>>80380373
>hey I just killed 5 people on camera in a large crowd can I have some due process?
>>80393710
How about this. Next time someone has shot 12 people, killed five, and claims to have a bomb, we will send you since you are so sure they don't have a bomb...
The KKK needs to start building bomb drones that kill niggers at random.
>>80386676
Thats because we allowed plebbit cuckugees to enter, we need to build a wall
Before that only trolls would act like this, now there are actually people here who believe nigs aren't scum
>>80391950
That's not relevant, what's relevant is the conflation of suspects/criminals and allowing your police to decide when they’ve proven they can’t be trusted.
>>80391969
Yea sure. But as above.
>>80392231
That's what I just don't get, I really don't. We hate the police here and they're fucking honestly fine compared to the US.
>>80392575
Yea our freedom of speech (lack of) is absolute bullshit.
>>80392888
It'll hurt less if you ask them to use lube. If you're happy to be a complete cucked bitch to ‘authority’ so be it.
>>80392966
>and violent criminal lives don't matter.
Your post missed my point yet made it again for me – you can’t trust the police. You are turkeys begging for Christmas. Oh no brave police please save me via any means necessary from these scary niggers - or from anyone you decide is a ‘violent criminal’ -.Despite your police and human history having proven you can’t give people that kind of power.
You live in a police state and you worship the ever greater slide in to it. From Europe we can see how much you worship authority, and how out of control it is.
It’s the fucking principle you should be concerned about, not the fucking dead guy in this case.
>>80380373
He waived his right to due process by not complying with law enforcement in a deadly engagement. You're a fucking idiot with no better solution. Kill yourself, OP.
>>80393847
That he didn't have any hostages is probably the reason why they elected to let R2Dindu allahu snackbar the situation.
But that's an interesting idea. Let's do that. How about you take hostages and shoot up a few cops and see what they come up with. I'm curious to see how they wax you.
>>80386676
>Complaining about people wanting to protect rights that could otherwise allow the governmnet to abuse the system should they become meaningless
Sounds like you're just another retard
Why didn't they just use a net gun or toxic gas to knockout the shooter and take him alive?
>>80394077
>That's not relevant
That is the primary factor when determining when lethal force is justified.
"Are they a threat?"
Answer here should be obvious.
>>80390742
>I am a retarded civilian the post
>>80393874
I think they were also wondering if he actually had planted IED's all over Dallas, if they didn't take him out he was going to be able to possibly remote detonate with a cell phone, and that was why he was stringing them along in negotiations.
>>80380373
Fuck off you fucking fuck. Same as a sniper bullet, which would have been fully justified for this subhuman piece of filth.
Although I would have preferred public crucifixion for this beast.
>>80394077
>your police to decide when they’ve proven they can’t be trusted.
Who said we can't trust Dallas PD?
>but all cops are evil!
Nah, m8. See around here we respect officers because they have to deal with scum everyday so we don't have to.
>>80391242
Hahaha hahaha you think I'm a liberal? That's a fucking great one mate. Since you don't understand that political views are not a line but more like a plane I'll assist you.
https://www.politicalcompass.org
>>80394326
It seems moot to me since it was obvious he was a threat.
>>80380373
>>80385099
What the fuck are you talking about? How is this remotely not legal?
He's barricading himself in a parking garage with a rifle shooting at any cops he can see. He was still actively exchanging gunfire with them and not surrendering. They could have leveled the entire parking garage if they needed to.
I am being 100% honest when I say it perplexes me how stupid some people have become, and you should be culled from the population as soon as possible. We don't need people like you dragging us down.
>>80394077
>>>80391969 (You)
>Yea sure. But as above.
That is not remotely involved in this case. The only question was if he was the only shooter or there was others.
They have guidelines that they followed that have been approved as policy by lawyers, and elected officials. The Dallas police force gave the man more chances to surrender then required under the policies. And then following those policies they eliminated a clear and present danger.
KILLING A DEADLY CRIMINAL WHO CHOOSES DEATH OVER COMPLIANCE IS NOT AN INFRINGEMENT UPON YOUR CIVIL LIBERTIES
YOU DUMB FUCKS
HE WAS A SNIPER WITH MILITARY TRAINING
YOU DUMB FUCKS
HE WOULD HAVE WENT ON TO KILL MORE, AND THEN YOU'D BE BITCHING ABOUT THE POLICE NOT DOING MORE TO STOP HIM
YOU DUMB FUCKS
KILL YOURSELVES
why didn't they just build a wall around him?
>>80394077
>It’s the fucking principle you should be concerned about, not the fucking dead guy in this case.
And I'm completely okay with blowing violent niggers up, especially if they refuse to surrender and make it known they intend to go out shooting. We already shoot them.
>>80394461
Here's the precedent, op.
If you are violent and a threat.
If you do not comply with police orders, they will kill you. Yes.
Does that make more sense?
>>80387185
Are you baiting or really this fucking stupid?
If you are serious you are retarded on a level which precludes discussion, and just need a smack on the mouth.
>>80393847
The police would then be obligated to at least attempt to save the hostages if possible. They're not going to execute hostages if they can help it.
And before you call them pussies, I want you to honestly answer if you would have personally went to arrest the shooter. And what is your knowledge of police doctrine and tactics?
>>80394108
I will leave that to the niggers.
But this tactic won't work again. Even niggers won't fall for a mobile phone on a robot again.
I just hope the next one actually does plant the bombs and has a dead mans switch.
By the way, how would blowing him up prevent the detonation with a dead man's switch? Dead is dead.
>>80389286
Yeah you are missing something. The fact that you're a giant faggot. Just start transitioning already, little fag.
R2DINDU REPORTING FOR DUTY SIR
he killed a bunch of cops, how the fuck did he not deserve to die? seriously just fucking kill him and get done with it
>>80394736
Good question and excellent points.
A dead man's switch though generally means you have the switch in your hand and when you release (because you can no longer hold it because you are dead) is something generally visible.
It's not hard to see he didn't have a deadman's switch.
>>80394736
>By the way, how would blowing him up prevent the detonation with a dead man's switch? Dead is dead
to set off a deadman switch requires electronic compentents that are going to be likely to be rendered inoptional in Milliseconds, before they can fire off the command to explode.
Secondly, if he DID have a deadman switch that went off, no police would be close enough to be wounded or killed in the explosion.
>>80380373
He was holed up, armed in a building which he had free reign to move around in. What do you suggest they do?
>>80394290
Civilian is some sort of curse to real military men yeah? Look bud I'm not impugning your ballsiness or service. The point was police activity should not resemble military action. That and calling you a moron for asserting this situation is war. Especially since you should apparently know better. Maybe I'm full of shit? Maybe you're a liar. Maybe it doesn't matter. I put my opinion out there. What's yours?
Cop shoots him, he dead
Robot blows his ass up, he dead
Who cares if they shoot him or blow him up, the end game is still the same.
>>80394702
No I wouldn't have gone to arrest the shooter. I would have sent a SWAT team to do so. You know, like they have done for the last 50 years in america.
SWAT teams risk getting shot. It is what they do. You can't start blowing suspects up remotely to try and remove any risk.
Are we going to have robots doing traffic stops next?
America is now so cucked that there is no way back. Let me ask you this.... If this suspect was holed up in an unknown location in your area, would you come out with your hands up like they did in Watertown?
>>80394702
You have little understanding of US Law if you think there is any requirements for police to attempt to save hostages.
I'm not calling them pussies. If I was on a swat team with a good reason to go in yes. Since the shooter had extremely limited means to do anything with limited ammo, no food or water. You can literally wait a few hours at most ~72 and it's over. Police doctrine is not the same as law so it's mostly irrelevant.
>>80395137
SWAT would have just shot the motherfucker too, he made it abundantly clear if he was going to go down he was going to go down shooting.
>>80395060
>The point was police activity should not resemble military action.
The suspect kind of forced that scenario on the police wouldn't you say? He was attacking in a military manner, this was not a call for Adam-12.
>>80394736
Blowing the son of a bitch up on OUR terms.
>>80395137
>I would have sent a SWAT team to do so. You know, like they have done for the last 50 years in america.
>SWAT teams risk getting shot. It is what they do.
Don't take this the wrong way, but, SWAT doesn't do that. SWAT is even more heavy handed than the police. Police have shotguns and handguns. Police have MP5s, ar15s, automatic weapons. They're not called special weapons and tactics for nothing. They're the heavy hitters of the police. They're not called in to arrest people.
They're called in to destroy them.
>>80394964
So what your saying is his threats of bombs are not a threat to police and they didn't have to bomb him? Also your dead man switch idea is dumb because it can easily be made so that the remote sends a sign and upon being interrupted then it triggers the explosive.
I wish defending murderers and thief was a criminal offence, you people are degenerates
>>80395200
Blow your brains out, idiot. Not a single person on earth needs you. Anyone that thinks they do is clearly going to be let down when the time comes.
>>80395137
Anon, SWAT does not arrest armed suspects.
SWAT kills armed suspects
>>80395241
Great. SWAT would have earned their wages then.
SWAT are there exactly for a situation like this. If strapping C4 to a robot is now the new way of doing it then SWAT are no longer needed.
>>80380373
Do you have an actual video? Do you have something proving there was actually a standoff? Why would the cops give a shit if he had no hostages? Cops will not be this easy going after you've taken out a bunch of their friends.
Cops most likely captured him, tortured him for hours then shoved a few grenades up his ass and let it rip.
>>80395338
So let them do their job and don't pass their work off to a robot.
The guy was in a parking garage hiding in the corner. A parking garage is nothing but a cement bunker with good line of sight inside the garage. Everyone knows it would be hard to storm a bunker. Thus the robot. People who don't want to be shot are not stupid.
>>80395399
Great. Glad SWAT will be earning their money in future and not pussying out so that a robot can do it instead.
>>80395338
I'm guessing you meant police have handguns and shotguns. Swat has mp5s, ar15s, and automatic weapons.
Which is true, but police cruisers are almost always equipped with ar15s (I've actually never seen one without) some of which are automatic.
You are ducking stupid if you think swat don't arrest people. That's about 95% of what they do is serve high risk search/arrest warrants.
>>80380373
Why are there 16 year olds on this board?
>>80395367
>So what your saying is his threats of bombs are not a threat to police and they didn't have to bomb him? Also your dead man switch idea is dumb because it can easily be made so that the remote sends a sign and upon being interrupted then it triggers the explosive.
No,
WTF are you thinking?
I am saying they they used a bomb due to the threat, as they did not want to risk a cop being close to him if a bomb went off.
You "Bomb goes off if it doesn't get a commandl" is stupid as that how you blow yourself up as soon as the command gets interrupted for any number of reasons.
Deadman switches SEND a command to detonate, but if the switch is destroyed in a bomb blast it can't send it.
>>80395529
>>80395742
>>80395624
I refuse to believe that you aren't fuckin trolling
>>80395200
I didn't say they were required by law, sorry if I implied that. But with the entire nation watching DPD would have had a an even worse nightmare on their hands if they had killed hostages to boot.
And your waiting out scenario would have worked if DPD had complete knowledge that he was trapped and had no supplies. But they didn't. And letting this guy go would have risked more lives.
>>80395137
>No I wouldn't have gone to arrest the shooter. I would have sent a SWAT team to do so.
So you complain about the government power but rely on government power. You might want to examine your thinking.
If you contribute nothing to an endeavor what gives you the right to dictate how that endeavor is carried out?
>>80395296
Then call the guard. Show people that police have a job and so does the military. Ucmj and roe aren't civilian statutes.
Not professing to have the solution. But the lines are blurring every time something like this happens. People should have faith that a cop is a cop and a soldier is a soldier
>>80395529
>>80395624
>>80395742
In this situation, they could get away with a robot and a single bomb.
In the future they may use more robots.
Less humans being put in harm's way.
It's possible that remote operated machines could be used in more LEO roles.
There will probably always be a need for SWAT teams but it may be less and less necessary, hopefully. Who knows.
>>80395624
There job isn't to die when a method to eliminate the threat exist that does not require the risk of them dying.. Dallas police felt it was too much of a risk so just bombed him.
By your logic SWAT only needs baseball bats, after all, who cares if they die, send in enough swat team members and they will get him.
>>80391497
>threat to the community
like you, antisemitic white nationalist extremist??
the threat is either current or it is not
if it is not current, then deadly force cannot lawfully be applied by law enforcement
only a judge can order an execution, dummies
this type of thread reveals how few people have reached the moral maturity to understand that giving a State the power to kill without due process is retarded
they should live in muslim countries desu
fkn retards
even muslim is prosecute people without executing them
guess what, if nigga shooter was currently threatening the lives of citizens, not just as verbal threats but in current action, then the pigs would have informed us of that
but no
they plainly admitted they executed the guy because "they saw no other choice"
well yes there is always the choice of waiting the cunt out
but i guess they wanted to end that
and they murdered a citizen outside of direct danger being posed by him
they had him contained
and prevented from harming people, didnt they?
if they didnt, they'd have said so.
abject turanny exists because of the majority of retards who dont even frown at it, like you cunts ITT
>>80395784
They don't arrest armed suspects who have already fired on persons.
>>80396021
And you will come out of your own house with your hands up like a goog goy, whenever the police robots demand it.
What a utopia you are going to be living in.
>>80396044
Are you autistic?
Of course he was a current threat to the community, he just killed five people, shot 12, claimed to have bombs, and was still shooting at people. They tried to negotiate with them but he shot even after the negotiations started.
>>80395784
No I get you.
>>80396166
I don't plan on shooting up any police in the near or distant future.
>>80396023
When the boston bomber was in the boat, he wasn't remotely blown up. He was known to have guns pressure cooker bombs and had already blown up downtown Boston and killed police officers.
Why the difference in tactic?
>>80393015
They didn't execute him. They took out an active lethal threat.
>>80396280
The people of watertown hadn't shot up any police. They just lived in an area where the suspect was thought to be.
>>80396317
>Why the difference in tactic?
Perhaps they didn't have a shiny new robot they wanted to try out.
Maybe robots don't float gud.
>>80395909
Jesus Fuckin Christ, another armchair cop, I have had my fucking fill of you idiots the last few days.
TJ Hooker, CSI, Law & Order, NYPD Blue ARE NOT REAL LIFE.
Look up Posse Comitatus Act dipshit. Fuck, why did God put so many stupid people in the world at one time?
>>80380373
>Has this set the precident of "do what we fuckin say or we'll fuckin bomb ya"
no you fucking retard. this was self defense regardless of the method employed.
>Fuck due process just kill anyone because we can.
he killed officers. he was at the time shooting at more officers. he refused to surrender. due process is irrelevant when the police are practicing self defense.
>How the fuck was this legal?
because when your life or that of another's is put in mortal danger, you are justified in using any means necessary to neutralize the threat so long as it doesn't endanger bystanders.
learn how self defense works you fucking retard
>What are the legal implications this has made?
NONE
>Soon it might be that when the speed trap predator drones also notice someone breaking the law they'll just send a hell fire instead of a ticket.
you are literally retarded. usually, no one is being threatened in a traffic stop.
>>80385099
you are retarded
>>80386130
>police don't shoot to kill, they shoot to neutralize the threat.
ITS THE SAME THING YOU FUCKING RETARD
they shoot center mass because center mass is easier to hit.
if you are shooting at police, they are trained to keep firing until you you are physically incapable of shooting at them, that usually means YOU FUCKING DIE.
shooting to injure gets cops killed and no department is stupid enough to do this.
>>80389286
you're problem is you don't understand the fucking law.
>>80380373
is it legal? dunno.
is it right? hell yeah. fuck that piece of shit.
>>80380373
>>80380373
What does due process have to do with it? The law entitles the police to take him in by force. That is due process. He refused to go in peacefully, so he went in in pieces. His choice. Police did nothing wrong.
>>80392022
What is the material difference between intentionally killing a suspect via robot and via SWAT sniper? The latter has been done so many times in situations where a suspect posed an immediate that to others and refused to negotiate. No crocodile tears then about muh freedom. So how is this any different?
>>80396434
Pretend I'm dumb. What's watertown got to do with this?
>>80386130
This person is extra dumb
>>80396317
For one thing, he surrendered within a hour and he was not barricaded in to prevent him from being sniped.
>>80396641
I don't think I need to pretend.
>>80396317
Because he gave up and most likely BPD didn't have a robot readily available?
Has there been a ban declared on logical thought that I missed? Fucking hell.
>>80380373
>Do what we say or we fucking bomb ya
When you are actively shooting at the cops, uh NO SHIT?
Are you saying the cops shouldn't have the right to defend themselves? No one would be complaining if a sniper put a bullet between his eyes, people are just having an emotional reaction to "le bomb robit xD"
>>80396476
Wat? Touch a nerve? There something special only a cop would know about being a cop?
Just my opinions sempai I've lived long enough to form them. I'd be happy to hash em out with you once your blood pressure drops
>>80396748
Then don't and let's keep going anyway.
I'm ignorant of watertown entirely. I'm not going to put on airs and I'm not going to insult you.
>>80396525
yeah this pretty much
>if any of this is even real
>>80396778
This
This would be an non-issue if it was "Police used a sniper to take him out"
>>80396777
Look, I live in the relative paradise that is the UK. None of this directly affects me. It is your anus that will be raped by this robot police force in the future, not mine.
I am just trying to help you out.
>>80392231
>pig worship is a stage in the death of a civilized society.
>100 years ago people respected law enforcement
>everything got along just fine and the nation was stronger and more unified
>now edgy teens complain that the police wont let them get their cummies
>nation is in a slow collapse
YOU PART OF THE PROBLEM YOU RETARDED ANARCHIST PIECE OF SHIT.
>>80395909
>Call the national guard for one guy
This is how you show the population that society is about to fall apart.
>>80396936
You enjoy your CCTV cameras and not being able to defend yourself from muzzies with a knife anon.
>>80396810
>There something special only a cop would know about being a cop?
I dunno, what do you think? Is there something special about being a nuclear physicist only a nuclear physicist would know?
>>80396510
I'll agree fuck him he was a piece of shit for shooting officers irrelevant to what he was upset about.
>>80396478
If you think shooting to kill vs shooting to stop is the same you have no concept of the law.
Also since you have a great understanding of the law cite were I am incorrect
>>80396258
>past is current
okay
>was still shooting at people
source?
>>80396936
Again I'm not in favor of the police being overreaching but there's really no reason why this is anything but cut and dry that the guy was here to kill people, wasn't going out peacefully, was given every opportunity to go peacefully, and refused every chance even after going on a rampage.
>>80397008
Good. Clear actions with clear consequence. Maybe we'd take shit seriously. An APC with POLICE stencilled on it is still an APC. If were deploying guard to settle violent situations people will start to think there's something wrong with the people in charge.
But that's absolutions and wishful thinking. I know
>>80396525
Yes police can take him into custody by force. They did not. The blew him up with a bomb. Attempting to arrest someone and blowing them up are different things.
>>80397157
You haven't cited any laws sorbet, anon.
>>80397194
>was still shooting at people
>source?
The Dallas PD. They said they moved the robot into position during the negotiations, negotiations broke down and he started shooting again, they activated the explosive to take him out.
>>80397194
After Mr. Johnson was cornered on the second floor of a parking garage, negotiators spent hours trying to get him to surrender, Chief Brown said, but he “told our negotiators that the end is coming and he’s going to hurt and kill more of us, meaning law enforcement, and that there are bombs all over the place in this garage and downtown.”
“The negotiations broke down, and we had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect,” the chief said. “We saw no other option but to use our bomb robot and place a device on its extension for it to detonate where the suspect was.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/09/us/dallas-police-shooting.html?_r=0
>>80397109
Yeah because america doesn't have CCTV kek
We have just showed how uncucked we are by voting for brexit. America is officially now the most cucked nation on earth.
When muslims attack the US it isn't even admitted. CNN lightens their skin and claims they are just angry young men.
>>80385099
While it seems like it was appropriate to use a method like this to stop an active shooter I am going to worry about these kind of tactics being used in the future.
If this shit doesn't scream the beginnings of a police state I don't know what does.
>>80396936
You realize that most LE remote robots either have or are capable of being fitted with a shotgun or other firearm. right? This has been true for years and they have been used literally hundreds of times and no one has batted an eye until now.
And they have been used to shoot suspects.
>>80396478
>he was at the time shooting at more officers
source?
>>80397331
^any laws either
fucking phone
I'm sure this won't be abused, just like tasers never were.
and I'm sure all the drones police forces are buying up won't be abused either
>>80397275
Generally something is VERY WRONG if the Natl Guard is being called in. Texas is probably the least likely state to call in the Natl Guard, their state police are some of the best in the world, and they are rightfully wary of the Federal government policing the streets.
>>80397409
Multi news outlets that heard the flashbangs and DallasPD
>>80397232
Perhaps he was mentally ill. Are we going to robot bomb ill people too?
>>80397141
Sure. Plenty. But it doesn't take much to understand the concept or the goal. I'm not throwing detailed policy at you. Just general chat interpretation. A police force is meant to keep the peace and display authority to a population. In essence. A military is designed with entirely different motives.
Just basic thoughts man. Banter. Nothing personal. If I'm wrong tell me what you think
>>80397275
No, you do not call in the national guard unless the local PD cannot handle the situation.
Dallas PD was professional and dealt with it exactly how it should be handled.
>>80386130
>getting shot in your vital organs is better than getting shot in the head!
Do you think real life is like a video game where you have a health pool
>>80397401
But anon, >>80396926 >>80396778 >>80396629
>>80397396
>Yeah because america doesn't have CCTV kek
It's not all over the fucking country. Some cities have it, as voted by their representatives. Most cities don't, because the Federal govt doesn't get to just decide to put up CCTV cameras like in Britain.
>>80397392
>we had an exchange of gunfire with the suspect
insufficient
the cops shoot, the nigger shoots back
or do you mean to tell me that the cops were not under cover?
>told our negotiators that the end is coming and he’s going to hurt and kill more of us, meaning law enforcement, and that there are bombs all over the place in this garage and downtown
so that's enough to get suicided by cops now?
mere words?
>>80397406
Sauce?
>>80396478
To add
>people are not getting threatened in traffic stops
You understand in recent history that the police have utilized a literal tank over a $200 tax? And guess what. The person they were after didn't owe the tax at all! In fact when doing the investigation several places told the police the tax was not owed. As result 76 injured and 6 killed.
Police are just doing there job though right?
>>80397528
If that mentally ill person
>Shoots and kills people
>Has barricaded themselves so they cannot be sniped
>Claims to have a bomb on them
Sure.
I don't care what most of the retards in this topic say, I'm pretty sure police officers are NOT allowed to kill people using explosives.
If they are allowed to do that, then why don't they carry grenades on their belts? Anytime there is a shootout and the suspect barricades himself somewhere they just lob a grenade at the fucker if they needed to.
But they don't. It's because they're supposed to take people into custody using a reasonable amount of force. You'd have to be an idiot to support what the police did in this situation.
>>80397668
I would have thought you would have been for CCTV cameras, what with you being so pro law enforcement. Aren't they a good thing?
>>80397528
So are rabid dogs.
They can't help that they're rabid. They'd done no wrong in being rabid and diseased. But they're dangerous as a result of it.
Ill or not, he's dangerous. If he can't help it and he's ill, then it's a tragedy and his violent outburst was just the result of him being dealt a poor hand. But we can't let him do as he pleases as a result of it. He's just as dangerous as if he wasn't ill. The consequences have to be the same in a fair society.
>>80397157
http://www.odmp.org/officer/420-trooper-mark-hunter-coates
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FraE77l4fI
even if you put five rounds right over a guys heart he can still fucking shoot and kill you.
they are trained to shoot to kill, anything less will and HAS gotten officers killed
>Also since you have a great understanding of the law cite were I am incorrect
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.9.htm#9.31
self defense makes zero distinction in method
LEARN THE FUCKING LAW
>>80380373
OP, See Waco Ruby Ridge and every single other person who has not listened to the government.
Remember your rights are there to remove Tyrants, just because some dumb fucking black guys think that the police are tyrants doesn't mean much.
Now, if they were going to kill the politicians and were successful at it, thats A-OK down there.
>>80397842
I'm pro law enforcement, not pro Orwellian police state. Use of a robot with a bomb as a last resort to take out a suspect is not the same as constantly being surveilled everywhere you go.
>>80397528
Police and news outlets report he showed no signs of mental illness nor had any history of it.
Is it really so hard to believe that someone got so angry at the perceived injustices carried out by another race that he used violence against members of that race in retribution? Whites are accused of doing this every day.
>>80397679
The terrorist was shooting at the cops trying to negotiate with him you imbecile. So the cops fired back to keep him pinned down so he did not move to a location that he could shoot more cops or civilians.
>>80397707
If you really think the police have no responsibility to at least try and apprehend then you deserve the country you will soon get.
>>80397835
>I don't care what most of the retards in this topic say, I'm pretty sure police officers are NOT allowed to kill people using explosives.
In specific situations they are allowed to. Other means to end the threat, from negotiations, shooting, sniping, and so on have to be eliminated first.
>>80397994
They did try to apprehend him. He didn't want to surrender, he wanted to kill as many cops as possible.
>>80397503
State guard then. But I get what you're saying. Yeah it would be overkill. Maybe swat would be preferable. Even though they're more military than police at this point.
I think what I'm hung up on is machines killing people. When we talk about danger it's couched in empathy because every cop is a human and so are the suspects.
But when the cop is hardware. How does the public identify with thier mission? How do departments talk about violence and risk? I'm worried this is removing the police from the community that I guess in my ideal world they're a part of.
>>80380373
>Caring about a cop killer
>Who announces he will try and kill more cops and is still shooting at cops
There's your problem. Cops had the perfect test subject for their Allah Ackbot dropped into their laps and weren't going to pass that up, so of course people aren't going to condemn the idea since any other action would be risking the lives of more people.
>>80397978
In that case a non overstepping police force stays under cover while figuring out ways of neutralizing the shooter. Killing the shooter remotely would only be justified if he was still shooting at civilians.
>>80385571
BLESSED BE OUR SKYNET OVERLORDS
>>80380373
Sorry I can't give a shit about a violent criminal.
>>80397308
>Yes police can take him into custody by force.
not when he's shooting at them fuckface.
>>80397409
even if we assume he wasn't shooting, it would still be reasonable to assume that he could open fire on officers and get them killed which would have still justified the bomb droid.
you are making a moot point.
>>80397835
A woman wrote this
>>80397970
So if this gunman had managed to get away and there was no CCTV in downtown dallas to provide any clues then he would probably get away scot free. I am surprised you would be happy with that.
Or perhaps you can't see the laughable double standard in defending killer police robots but criticising a camera.
>>80397994
If a person has killed persons and is refusing arrest, and they try to negotiate with them and they refuse to surrender, the police have no reason to risk their lives to take the murder alive.
>>80397679
Nice reply. Do you move goal posts often?
>he was still firing at police
>PROOF?
>here's a link with proof
>INSUFFICIENT WHAT, SO BE WAS STILL FIRING AT COPS MEANS HE POSED A THREAT?
>>80398107
So did the boston bomber but they apprehended him.
>>80398111
>I think what I'm hung up on is machines killing people
Practically speaking its no different from someone shooting him from across the street. It's not like its the first time robots have been used to kill suspects anyways, its still a human in control of the robot, too. It seems like they didn't have any other options of getting to this guy without many more cops dying, and they improvised as best they could with the materials and tools available.
They can't just storm the building, they have to assume he wasn't lying about having the building rigged with explosives.
>>80398164
Statistically: The longer the standoff goes on, the more dangerous and deadly it becomes.
>>80398238
>CCTV is the only way to apprehend a suspect that got away
You can't be serious.
>>80398250
What are SWAT teams for then?
>>80398304
The Boston Bomber DID surrender in the end, at least one of them did.
>>80397705
1) police don't have access to tanks. it was probably an APC or an IFV
2) you are pulling a strawman case where the police were obviously acting outside their authority. if you feel the police are overstepping their bounds, SUE THEM.
>>80398395
I didn't say that.
>>80386130
>there's no way they put in a bomb thinking "this will stop him."
Killing him did stop him though
>>80385099
GRENADES IN 30
>>80397555
>Sure. Plenty. But it doesn't take much to understand the concept or the goal. I'm not throwing detailed policy at you. Just general chat interpretation. A police force is meant to keep the peace and display authority to a population. In essence. A military is designed with entirely different motives.
>Just basic thoughts man. Banter. Nothing personal. If I'm wrong tell me what you think
You are wrong. A police or Sheriff's department is charged with enforcing state and local laws and ordinances, crime prevention and answering calls for service at the basic level.
In this situation there is no difference between if a cop had shot the asshole or used the robot, it is a distinction without a difference -It's like saying that there is a problem because the officer used a select fire AR-15 as opposed to his sidearm, because only the military is supposed to have select a fire weapon (untrue by the way, law enforcement is authorized to use them too).
>>80398304
Being able to apprehend on particular suspect in one scenario does not ensure that all suspects are apprehendable in all scenarios.
I am not challenging you but I am curious to know how you might have tried to end the scenario.
>>80398421
Special Weapons and Tactics.
The name is self explanitory, in my opinion.
>>80385410
>arguing with trolls in a troll thread
Shine up.
>>80398309
You're right. But this was massive exposure of the tactic. And in this specific instance I agree it was likely the quickest option.
Unlikeable opinion inc.
But if people aren't at risk, what reason will we have to measure our actions.
When we dropped bombs on MOVE people were shocked and there was some discussion.
This is playing out just like I as worried it would. Cops are heroes niggers are bad vs kill pigs and bootlickers deserve the rope. Neither has a point to make or an idea about what to do about the fact that we are more and more trusting lethal force to a non-human and substituting a member of the citizenry to perform police actions.
I can't tell you what we should do. But I'd like to hear thoughts.
>>80398250
they dont have to risk their lives: they can contain the shooter, prevent him from harming random people then wait to find an opening to neutralize him reasonably safely.
what i'm getting is the Dallas PD didnt want to wait.
For donuts maybe.
i'm not making this up
the official statements give no reason for the robot bomb except "we found no other solution"
they dont say he was still shooting at civilians
of course he would shoot at the cops sieging him, but the cops can stay under cover instead of acting like tyran licking bitches and take out a citizen.
what if tomorrow it's a white sovereign anti tyrannic state bastard that gets taken out by a bomb robot?
what will you say now?
nigger shot cops, should be arrested, not shot unless to neutralize a _current_ threat.
if the cops spent 4 hours sieging him you can bet they were not under direct gunfire all that time
they had cover
they werent getting sniped anymore
they chose to take him out
that's a military action as anon said, not a police one
you are bootlickers and you're gonna regret it once the cops turn on you
As far as I see it, using a bomb robot is pretty much a more safe, albeit expensive, way of tossing an explosive grenade to take out a hostile target.
I have no qualms with using explosives against mass murderering terrorists who refuse to surrender and are eager to kill more people. As long as the explosion has zero chances of injuring anyone else nearby.
What the morons in this thread can't see is the bigger picture.
They have just used a robot for the first time to kill a suspect. Doesn't seem so bad on the face of it but eventually those robots will be at your door to take your guns. And you will hand them over like good slaves.
>>80398164
Incorrect, it justified if he still posed a current threat to officers or civilians.
>>80385571
BLESSED BE OUR SKYNET OVERLORDS
>>80398421
SWAT teams are literally for engaging heavily armed suspects and killing them if they don't surrender.
>>80398694
How many times do I have to repeat that I would have sent SWAT in to apprehend/kill him. That is what they are for. If they are no longer needed then disband them.
>>80397835
Reasonable force required to stop the threat, the type of force is never specified because if can be a baton a knife, or a damn explosive if that is the only option.
There is no prohibition on the use of explosives by law enforcement, breaching charges, flash bangs and stinger grenades are used all the time.
I swear, the myths people believe about being a cop I could just about fit in the grand fucking canyon.
>>80399002
So, then, quick question.
If if had been SWAT who used the robot and the same result...?
>>80398967
Oh you mean exactly this situation then.
>>80398820
He was a crazed soldier. Not a civilian. Live by the bomb, die by the bomb
>>80399103
Then I would call them pussies too.
>>80398634
I don't disagree with you... in fact I'm having a hard time telling the difference between what we said.
Police keep peace (enforce laws/statutes) and answer calls for basic assistance (display authority to the public I.e. show them the state has thier back and is trustworthy.) The distinction is not the weapon either but more the motive. We tried to police two different cultures for 10 years with a military. Didn't work. Night and day difference I know but the point is military tactics and motive are different from law enforcement.
How much?
Should it change?
How?
Dunno.
>>80398164
Maybe over there in surrendermonkeystan
>>80398421
Swat teams are used for
- Hostage situations
- reacting to bank robberies
- evenets that need rapid reaction
- arresting high risk suspects who may or may not be armed
However, there job is NOT to arrest suspects who are armed and shooting at police. If they had a line of sight they would use a rifle to incapacitate the person. Since there was no line of sight they removed the threat vie a creative way.
>>80380373
that's now how due process works, retard
>>80397895
We are just about saying the same thing m8 I typically browse /k/ not /pol/ only came here for this topic. I know that shooting someone does not immediately stop and is often far from it. Going for vitals is what is needed to stop which if hit will regularly kill. You can mag dump 3 mags into a person and if they are still a threat then I fully agree to continue to shoot. If you shoot someone 3 times they go down don't move you finish mag dumping because they are still breathing reload and dump again because they are still breathing is killing someone unjustly. Which is shooting to kill not to stop. Your claiming that cops shoot to kill which is ducking dumb because no one is trained for such.
I didn't say how someone is killed in self defense matters I'm claiming this isn't self defense.
>>80399170
But if they had been able to use a sniper?
>>80398257
yes him firing at the cops isnt enough
i did move the goalposts
the siege lasted hours
him firing at them meant just deterring the cops from charging him
by that point the cops had long found cover
it was a standoff
they chose to break the standoff by executing a shooter that was merely defending himself and resisting arrest by that point
see the point?
both parties were entrenched and under cover
noone was risking getting shot except by leaving his cover and assaulting the other party
that's when they thought it legit to send a bomb bot
it's not.
that's a military action, not a LE one
>>80398812
if the robot decided to blow itself up on its own accord, you'd an actual point.
but it didn't. it was for all intents and purposes an RC car with a camera and a bomb strapped to it. the biggest actual ethical concern in this case is how much of the budget it used up.
>>80398820
he was heavily armed, in a secure location, and refused to surrender after hours of negotiations.
what the fuck did you want them to do? starve him out?
you see, this is why we don't respect you europeans, you're all a bunch of pansies with no grasp on reality.
>>80398353
yeah because the parties become more willing to take risky moves
>but hey why wait this time? we have a bomb bot!
let's bomb the fucker!
>i'm sure the amerimorons whont give us flak over this gross breach of due process
>they're so braindead
>>80399342
Why would I object to them using a sniper?
>>80398820
>they dont have to risk their lives: they can contain the shooter, prevent him from harming random people then wait to find an opening to neutralize him reasonably safely.
>what i'm getting is the Dallas PD didnt want to wait.
Incorrect.
They will contain the shooter, and will negotiate till the commanding officer views that negations are not going to result in a surrender (or release of hostages in a hostage situation). They do not have to wait for days. Since he began to fire once again after hours of negotiations, it was deemed that negotiations were fruitless.
There is NO requirement that he has to be a threat to civilians to use lethal force.
>>80399551
I'm curious why you object to one weapon over another.
>>80399109
But how SWAT teams deal with a case like this is a sniper shot. they where unable to snipe him.
they only go in if there are hostages.
>>80399359
>yes him firing at the cops isnt enough
Anon, it is.
>>80397662
Bombs and bullets are different things, anon. So what could be the equivalent of Police setting up sniper positions? Police setting up mines and explosives in various areas?
What could be the future of policing?
> Safe resolution
> Letting off C4 in a multi-storey concrete parking garage.
Pick one, morons.
Since when is letting off explosives a good option. Are they allowed to blow up any building doing this? What if it is your house.
>>80399526
Not understanding what due process is.
This is not about due process, it about lethal force, and continuing to shooting at cops will result in lethal force being used.
>>80399755
It was empty, there was nobody inside.
>>80399185
The motive was to eliminate the threat. He said he had IED's planted all over Dallas, I'm betting the negotiators began to wonder if he was stringing along the negotiations in order to remote detonate them, or was waiting for some other planned diversionary attack to take place somewhere else in the city.
You cannot think in vague or simplistic terms in a situation like this, you have to consider all scenarios as plausible at the very least.
>>80398309
>they didn't have any other options of getting to this guy without many more cops dying
it's called waiting and sieging
the guy had limited food and water, didn't he?
>>80399755
C4 can be precisly controlled to only go where you want it. Just a dab will do ya.
>>80399652
Are you suggesting that c4 is a weapon that police carry?
>>80399755
Anon, the amount of C4 they used is not going to do more then cosmetic damage to the building.
>>80399002
they couldn't apprehend him you fucking retard. he was refusing to surrender
>>80399109
1) he was in a very secure location which would have put SWAT teams in unnecessary danger
2) if he had hostages, they would have sent in a SWAT team
why risk more lives when you kill him with a robot?
>>80399170
>pussies for taking the least risky approach
you should seriously consider suicide you massive faggot.
>>80399891
After doing some simple googling:
They did in fact send in SWAT during this altercation.
So the robot was SWAT controlled.
>>80399519
>you see, this is why we don't respect you europeans, you're all a bunch of pansies with no grasp on reality.
FUCKING THIS
>>80399948
>they would have sent in a SWAT team
They did.
Waste of tax payer money to take this guy to trial.
They had him cornered. He was obviously guilty of murdering police officers, in Texas no less. Would have been express lane to death penalty which was given the fastest lane.
It doesn't matter if they used a robot or not. It was probably remote controlled by someone which is the same thing as a gun with 1 degree of separation.
Obama already made it ok to drone American citizens, this is the reality we live in.
>>80386130
>that's why they aim for center of mass and not the head
nobody aims for the fucking head you fat fucking burger. stop taking cs literally
>>80399853
It not how it works. Just like your cops went into St. Dennis to shoot at terrorists.
when the commanding officers rule that the suspect is not going to surrender peacefully, they can use lethal force to remove the treat. there is no requirement for them to wait days for a surrender.
>>80399519
Sure a man had the controls. But who was on the scene? A suspect and a machine. That's what people experienced and that's what will develop.
I'm not slippery sloping, just asking how that changes or effects the relation between the population and it's police force
>>80399891
Swat and bomb control have C4
>>80399898
>Anon, the amount of C4 they used is not going to do more then cosmetic damage to the building.
I am willing to bet is was a nigger rigged breaching charge of some sort, maybe with some added shrapnel.
>>80399844
Valid point. Again I conceded this was probably the quickest resolution with the least immediate risk. (Even with explosives involved)
Interesting tangent; do you think this will negatively effect future negotiations involving robots and exchanges with suspects?
>>80399853
Sure.
Let's give him a few days.
I'm sure that a longer standoff is better than a shorter one.
>>80400230
More likely to be a disruption charge from the bomb squad, but still about the same amount of C4.
>>80399258
shooting until the threat is no longer a threat is effectively the same as shooting to kill.
>I didn't say how someone is killed in self defense matters I'm claiming this isn't self defense.
this is self defense and its defense of another you moron. read the statute.
if you reasonably believe your life or that of anothers is being threatened by deadly, you are permitted to meet said force with deadly force as well by whatever means necessary (as long as bystanders aren't threatened) until there is no longer a threat.
the police acted in self defense and were entirely justified, you're just an idiot that doesn't understand how self defense works.
>>80400309
Yes, would you trust a robot getting near you?
>>80400309
It may encourage future shooter to surrender earlier or suicide quicker if they get cornered. They now know that the police are going to go nuclear on them, so to speak.
>>80398883
agreed
it was a standoff though so he wasnt posing a current threat to the officers
>>80399002
this
or if you dont want to risk your SWAT team, you WAIT.
whatever happened to waiting and sieging?
apparently that nigger's life was worth less than officers waiting for him to make a mistake or run out of resources.
>>80399201
actually we have SWAT i saw being praised and envied in threads about that Dallas nigger
>>80400230
Just duct taped a few handcuff keys on there. Lol
>>80380373
It's not that strange if you think about it. Even potus bragged about 'predator drones'. He was talking about terrorists but he was addressing everybody.
Same thing here. Submit, do as you were told or we will send a robot to kill your ass. Like the atomic bombs in Japan. Look what we got world, now shut the fuck up or we will glass your shithole country.
>>80400510
God Bless America
>>80400309
No, I think this was a highly unusual situation and the DPD determined that waiting any longer was just not an option. Too many bad things could have happened if they did not, remote detonation at any number of crowded locations, another assault by his cohorts someplace else in the city like a theater, crowded dines etc.
Then what? They were stretched to breaking as it was.
>>80400487
>it was a standoff though so he wasnt posing a current threat to the officers
He was a current threat, he was actively shooting at officers and refusing to surrender his weapon.
>>80399002
Swat kills suspects, normally with a sniper shot.
If they cannot do a sniper shot, they will use other methods, including a robot.
The only time they "Go in" to a location is to secure it or rescue hostages.
>>80399519
>what the fuck did you want them to do? starve him out?
yes.
as long as he posed no direct current threat, taking him out wasnt justified.
did he have civies in line of sight?
werent the cops under cover?
that's a standoff.
you dont jump bunkered offenders unless they can hurt people.
notice i'm ok with them using a bot if that's the case.
that's just protecting people.
>>80399755
>Since when is letting off explosives a good option. Are they allowed to blow up any building doing this? What if it is your house.
if a heavily armed criminal was shooting at police and refusing to surrender, then yes, the police would be justified in sending a c4 robot into my house to kill him.
the lives of officers are more valuable than private property.
ask for compensation after the fact.
>>80400710
This, this is so far from a normal situation.
>>80399519
reality is that police isnt allowed to execute people who pose no direct threat.
the shooter was contained, or prove me wrong.
>>80400844
>he posed no direct current threat,
But he did, he was shooting at officers
how dense can you be
>inb4 civilians
The threat does not have to be to civilians, it can be to officers.
>>80400499
Whatever works -Maybe a few emptied shotgun shells
>>80400701
KA-POW!!!!
>>80400963
He was shooting at officers. As shown in this thread. Shooting at officers = Direct threat
>>80400963
>prove me wrong.
ONUS
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>>80400066
>just asking how that changes or effects the relation between the population and it's police force
the police have historically done far worse with little effect on that relationship, i seriously doubt this will do anything.
>>80399586
ok but he wasnt being a threat to cops either as long as those stayed nicely under cover as they had been for 4 hours
so? still justified to take him out?
on what grounds?
he was contained, was he not?
at great manpower cost, but contained.
>>80400445
I understand what your saying. I don't want to defend a cop killer as I have friends and family leos. I don't have intentions of demonizing cops and I don't think the cops should be punished at all for this. I do think that the practice should not be continued of using bombs to stop a possible threat. I understand how the law of self defense works. Which is different than the intent. If it is legal to use bombs to stop threats over time what is required to be considered a Bombable threat will lessen. It's a slippery slope argument but it is also one that has been demonstrated throughout history to persist.
Do you not see the issue?
>>80399722
even if they're safely under cover?
not just under cover but also free to leave said cover safely.
i.e. not under direct threat unless they charge him.
>>80400963
We already have, numerous times idiot. Go surrender to someone and shut the fuck up about things you understand nothing about.
>>80401147
Due to ricochets (Concrete building) , yes, even under cover they were in direct threat.
>>80400062
well that sucks
that means that the shooter had lost his rights as a citizen by that point
this should never happen in any circumstance, except war which has its own codes and processes.
>>80401304
you seem to be under the impression that bullets do not ricocet off concreet, or that cars provide 100% blockage of bullets.
If he had not fired at cops they would of continued to talk to him.
>>80400770
Tough calls all. I still maintain its flirting with the militaries purview, and people notice that.
I don't have a solution to offer so I won't critique dpds actions. But it's a tactic we should look into more. As well as maybe vets and why they're killing themselves or apparently close to snapping and going Rambo downtown. .
Appreciate the banter. Gotta head to work, glad it's not all shitflinging.
Have a good one
>>80401520
If anyone poses a direct threat to your life, you can use lethal force in the US.
A active shooter has all the rights in the world. He just had to say "I surrender" and he would of had every bit of due process in the world.
Instead, he kept shooting and had to be killed as he was going to kill or maim more.
>>80400844
>as long as he posed no direct current threat
he did you retard
>did he have civies in line of sight?
he would have they waited for the day to start back up like you are suggesting
>werent the cops under cover?
bullets have this nasty habit of going through shit
waiting just runs the risk of putting more people in danger especially if he actually did have bombs planted around the city. neutralize the threat as fast and with as little risk as possible, anything else could get people killed.
>>80401579
MIlitary never gets involved in police matters outside of major riots. Even in the worse case you would have the FBI team handling it.
