Who are you going to vote tomorrow, fellow spanish mates?
>>78663481
Unidos Podemos
>I always wanted to visit Venezuela
The one that is willing to give us our gold back.
Psoe
>>78663481
I'm probably not going to vote, since I'm not a liberal.
.>La heteropatriarquia
Vote is secret.
>>78663481
C's i guess... Psoe and Potemos no way, so it's the only "decent" choice.
>>78663481
Ciudadanos.
Unidos podemos of course it's the only logical choice
When are you guys leaving the EU, or atleast take in the traitorous Gibraltar?
>>78663705
No way, we give it to the Soviet Union
>>78664073
>>78664187
>ciudadanos
https://m.youtube.com/?#/watch?v=nTkkkpNsvYc
>>78664229
>traitorous Gibraltar
Even after this show, the leaders of Gib have vowed to stand with the UK and reject Spain.
>Podemos
Ok tier
>PP, C'S
Shit tier
>VOX
Ok tier, a bit better than Podemos
>PSOE
lol
>>78663481
when did the canaries move to the mediterranean
>>78664465
They should be inside a rectangle, as Alaska and Hawaii in US maps
Since when are there Podemos supporters on /pol/?
>>78664351
Dude Gibraltar are just 30k andalusian spaniards living on a tax heaven. They're just dumb andalusians believing they're "british". They're a laughting stock. There's nothing patrotic or imperial about you having gibraltar. It's not like the falklands, which are genuinely british. When we close the fence they'll scream for a spanish flag in seconds.
Communists
>>78664341
Ty for the argument commie.
>>78664613
>since when are there dissenting opinions in my echo chamber
Genuinely wondering why PP isn't the top pick for /pol/. I thought this was a right-wing website.
Isn't Podemos the SJW party?
>>78663481
Give it to me straight Spainbros, Is Spain going full Venezuela?
Say hi to your new Prime Minister
Pablo Iglesias
-Is a fan of Cuban and Venezuelan Socialism
-Jokes about Christmas yet praises Ramadan
-Advocates for Open Borders vows to tear down the borders in North African enclaves
-Vows to never wave the Spanish flag broke that promise to appeal to more centre leftist
-Previous political party afflictions are the young Spanish communist party
Wew Lad
>>78664613
since /pol/ has been raided by SJWs and jews
>>78664678
I'm not complaining m8, I'm just surprised to see it, given all the shitposting the left gets
>>78664652
I'm the cook
>>78664613
Let me explain it the best I can. Most Spanish are bluepilled as fuck. The most bluepilled of all votes PP/C's believing they're "right wing" or something.
On the other hand, "rojos" aren't as bluepilled but they are dumb low IQ fags, they're like in a middle term, let's say purple-pilled (the colours of Podemos, preciselly).
As sad as it sounds, Pablo Iglesias is the most similar thing we've had to a new José Antonio Primo de Rivera since 1936.
Spain is this fucked.
Podemos es un puto cáncer, no sólo en si de donde viene sino las personas que están dentro. Ni siquiera se sienten españoles. Votar a Podemos es votar contra España, contra el pueblo español y contra todo lo que representa un oportunidad para salir de la mierda. Porque si estos rojos ganan, entonces si que nos vamos a hundir más en la mierda. Esta pandilla de subnormales, encabenzados por Iglesias un mal imitador de Lenin.
>>78664831
Sorry m8. It's probably that young Spaniards (ie the type on /pol/) care more about their futures than SJW boogeyman and immigrant memes.
>>78664726
Don't know man, it is sad to see our Iberian neighbors to self destruct like that.
We currently only have two factions: eurocucks ("center right" PSD and CDS, "center left" PS) and full blown Marxists (BE and CDU).
The only thing preventing us from going full Podemos is that we already spent all the money on gibemedats since the 1974 revolution so now we have to suck EU cock for that money instead.
>>78664875
Votar a podemos es votar a Chávez
>>78664726
No. Spain is just one decade behind you. Podemos is just the SJW full retard phase. We're gonna end like you probably, balkanized but out of the EU.
>>78663481
I hope nationalist Spain wins.
I'll send you some troops so they can get experience.
>>78664772
...Christ
>>78664351
Doesn't matter if they don't join. They are not going to leech us anymore. They will starve to death when we close the fence.
>>78664947
and what future could be brighter than a socialist one
>>78663481
Cara al sol
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xe_mzj5TjgI
>>78665109
The worst thing is that all of it it's truth.
>>78665129
If only Britain had some boats. Oh well.
>>78664772
sounds like Trudeau
>>78664834
Being Portuguese, I know how it is having a party spectrum totally shifted to the left.
>>78663481
>voting for general elections
>in Spain
>in 2016
Si es que no aprendeis muchachos. Va a votar LPM de del coletas.
>>78665273
I'm not defending our PM or anything, but that doesn't even compare to Trudeau. Its just a meme.
>>78664626
>t. delusional Spaniard
Sure pham.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gibraltar_sovereignty_referendum,_2002
>>78664875
LOL
I guess Catalans and Bascs will vote Podemos then
Visca Catalunya
Spain, if you don't vote in an anti-immigration and euroskeptic party I'll be extremely disappointed.
>>78663481
>he fell for the elections meme
Hopefully they can't form a government again and the army comes to put everything back in order.
>>78665507
You're retarded. What part of "when we close the fence" your little anglo brain couldn't process. You out, we can have borders. Inglés retrasado de los cojones.
>2016
>EU
>PIGS-country
>voting
Yeah nah mateys don't even bother. Go for a run/to the gym/to the range to do more usefull stuff and prep yourself
>>78665528
...do they really have that?
>Everyone in Europe seeing the light of european brotherhood, nationalism and fight against globalism.
>Except for Spain voting fucking Chavez supporters
What the fuck
>>78665616
As if you will have the cojones to close it, you will leave it open like your ass
>>78665765
No.
>>78665209
Again, the only thing I care is that they won't jew us anymore. Their economy is 100% based on tax evasion and illegal tobacco traffic.
Gibraltar is "independent" from UK economically because of delocalization. They are alone.
>>78665528
They won't, they barely have refugees, all their famous parties are leftist as shit.
>>78665528
There none like that.
>>78663481
PP
Is Guerilla raiding this thread?
>>78665511
Not even a meme
>>78665576
Exactly. In Spain we DESPERATELY need a military dictarorship, borders, and fix our shit. Questiong being, is our military command still uncucked enough?
>>78665816
God, I cannot wait until your people gets their independence and put a fence there too. A few decades of Sharia law will make you reconsider your beahaviour in the future.
>>78664351
EU>Britsharias>ASSPAIN
t. Llanito, fucking stupido brit
>>78665816
They will desu. Spain gains nothing from open border.
>>78666052
>>78666131
Yeah, that's what's making me wonder.
>>78666052
>military dictarorship
Tbqh I think only the army could bring salvation to Western Yuro countries
>tfw catalan
>tfw no party I can vote is all in for STOPPING THE FUCKING ILLEGALS AND RAPEFUGEES
>>78666121
> He thinks they have a say in it.
No EU gov would want to cross the UK
Well, unless it's Podemos
>>78665470
THIS.
He's full on commiecuck, tardeau is just an average bluepilled faggot that got nepotism'd hard.
>>78666052
> God, I cannot wait until your people gets their independence and put a fence there too. A few decades of Sharia law will make you reconsider your beahaviour in the future.
maybe, but at least we can laugh while Spains fail hard
For the international people around, truth is, not a single political party here is worth voting. None.
Spain will be in the EU until the EU falls apart as not a single party seek sovereignty, 'cause they don't know we've lost it in the first place. And that's the terrible fate of my country, this shithole of ignorance.
It's just fucking sad.
>>78666381
No Trudeau is a lying cunt who know all the things he is pushing are bullshit. He's just your average lying politician who cheats everybody. Have you ever noticed that the people pushing for the breakup of the family by promoting gay marriage and trandgenderism are exactly the ones who have a perfect family. They know whats good and whats bad
Yo estoy en C's, estoy bastante molesto con lo que entiende Rivera por regeneración, y de vez en cuando me descojono con Girauta, que parece que está todo el día de boda, sólo le falta una copa de champán. El caso, es que creo que voy a tratar de presentarme a las primarias par haber si echamos a Rivera. Es muy poco agresivo con Iglesias y vaciló demasiado con lo del PSOE. Creo que se está empezando a vender, sobre todo después de verlo yendo y viniendo de esas galas, y programas de TV.
>>78663481
g-guys i wanna move to spain.
what its like there
>>78666300
Vote pro independence parties, Spain says they will build the fence for us
>>78665616
>close the fence
>all the newly unemployed poorfags in La Linea chimp the fuck out
>>78666532
Soy el de antes, ¿alguien me puede decir por qué parece que estoy en Rusia, cuando estoy en Galicia? Me aparece la bandera de Rusia.
>>78666533
don't.
>>78666476
Sure I don't doubt that'll be all your joy, Catalanbro. But remember, at the end of the day, Castilla always wins.
>>78666587
Yeah probably, but what they're gonna do, join the UK too? Kek. They're here forever.
>>78666367
>EU gov
UK left the EU. Therefore the Spanish/Gib border decisions belong to Spain now. Like Ceuta and Melilla.
>>78664700
>pp
They flooded the country with 5 million sudacas and moros in two legislatures m8
Theres not a single political party worth voting for in this hellhole of a country.
>inb4 someone says vox
>>78663481
Podemos if you're retarded.
>>78666633
Tienes un troyano como una catedral.
Can any of you spain bros give me a short summary of the options you have available and their current popularity? Maybe some link?
>>78664214
>>78663670
Hope this is a joke.
>>78665797
Spain is and always was leftist-oriented
Only Franco was the change, and because of how shit he was he has cucked whole spanish right for a century
>>78664976
And that's not good.
>>78666633
Galicia es legítimamente tierra rusa.
Read the programs. educate yourselves. You will find options in extra-congressional parties.
Such as:
http://www.p-lib.es/
>>78666732
He knows first hand.
>>78665293
Qué asco dáis los emigrados votando en masa a la escoria Podemita, vosotros que no tendréis que sufrirlos. Si estáis trabajando en países como los Países Bajos, Alemania or Reino Unido no es porque sean países precisamente socialistas, putos ignorantes engañados.
>>78663481
Keep in mind something, the big 4 parties will down their knees at the EU
>>78664657
Have you seen the teeth on that motherfucker? Is like he has a pathological fear of the dentist
>>78664834
>Pablo Iglesias is the most similar thing we've had to a new José Antonio Primo de Rivera
Kill yourself. Primo de Rivera was a great man, intellectual, loved Spain and the spaniards. Pablemos is a swedish-tier cuck that actually hates Spain. Everytime he says something patriotic you can see in his face how is he lying.
>>78663481
Null
>>78666835
>He felt for the jewish marxist propaganda
I thought you were smarter, Poland.
Podemos of course
to assure that the EU falls, we need to sacrifice one country. we will be martyrs my brothers
Wittiness me
>>78667164
You mean like Greece and Syriza? it's useless
>>78667037
Of course.
Los catalanes y los vascos, aunque en general todos españoles pero, sobre todo los primeros, están ciegos.
Cataluña no tiene, ni ha tenido nunca justificación secesionista. El problema son esas putas treinta o cuarenta familias catalanas que llevan manejando el tinglado allí desde hace siglos, y cada vez que el gobierno central no les da lo que quieren para seguir viviendo del cuento, se montan lo del separatismo. A los catalanes no hay que hacerles ni caso, son españoles pero... No sé parece que se han vuelto gilipollas, aún de lo que ya lo eran. Y si no que se lo pregunten a Espartero, que se fue por la puerta grande, le acabaron con el humor. Y el acabó con Barcelona, recibieron lo suyo por tocapelotas. Los gallegos si que podríamos rajar del gobierno pero, nosotros si que somos patriotas. Nos han tenido años marginados en infraestructuras y servicios, ¿y nos hemos quejado?
>>78666788
>PP
Center, but try to pass as a right party. Very corrupted.
>PSOE
The same as PP but slighty less corrupted.
>Podemos
Commies.
>Ciudadanos
Center-left trying to steal PP's votes, won't win, will pact with PP.
>IU
Left, won't win, will pact with Podemos. The one in fault for the Orlando shooting was the heteropatriarchy.
>>78667146
JA would have killed Rivera, Mariano, Sanchez, Abascal, etc., but would have drink a coffe with Iglesias, that's for sure.
>>78667164
witness*
>>78667217
the EU right now with the brexit and the refugees is by far more unstable than back then. not the same
>>78667355
>Ciudadanos
>Center-left
What?
>>78667355
>PP
>Center.
>>PSOE
>slighty less corrupted.
>>Podemos
>Commies.
>>Ciudadanos
>Center-left
please, don't vote tomorrow. And don't reproduce either
Could somebody put in his vote a Costanza face? I wish someone does it and appears in the news.
>>78667355
Oh my... I wish you luck cause it seems you'll need it. Hope people aren't retarded enough to go full on Venezuela with Podemos.
>>78667416
They're socially liberals. Just like PP
>pro abortion
>pro gay marriage
Etc. They're only "right wing" economically, and even in that matter they're extremely moderate.
>>78665146
exactly comrade
>>78667493
>PP
Right winged
>PSOE
Centre-left
>Ciudadanos
Centre-right
>Unidos Podemos (IU+Podemos)
Left
>>78664834
http://www.rebelion.org/noticia.php?id=71850
Yeah,the person that said that the concept of Spain was none existant and fascist, and that shits on all of our symbols is the reincarnation of a nationalist.Fucking kill yourself alredy
>>78667374
>the EU right now with the brexit and the refugees is by far more unstable than back then.
and we need to vote the most pro refugee party? Even Pablo Iglesias doesn't want to leave the EU
>>78667460
Implying he was wrong.
>It's like you want to destroy our country.
>>78666533
Fuck off we are full
>>78667576
You have literally no clue of what José Antonio thought, don't you? And I'm not even saying that they're similar. But José Antonio would have killed all these españolistas casposos that envolves themselves in the rojigualda flag but promotes their liberal globalist jewish agenda like PP, C'S, VOX.
>>78667658
Nobody is anti-Eu or anti-refugee ya dingus. it doesn´t fucking matter
>>78667484
If I get repeating digits I print a Constanza face and put him in my vote.
Kinda reminds me of the guy who put a chorizo.
>>78667576
>and that shits on all of our symbols is the reincarnation of a nationalist.
Also José Antonio considered nationalism as romanticist degeneracy. Please educate yourself so you aren't a useful idiot of the right wing.
>>78666835
>Spain is and always was leftist-oriented
No.We were the paragons of irtue once
>Only Franco was the change, and because of how shit he was he has cucked whole spanish right for a century
He dindu nuffin wrong
>>78667493
RARE
A
R
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>>78666540
I'm going to vote >ERC only for tarda
>>78667790
I am sure a hell that you know nothing about Rivera, mainly because he was a nationalist, while Iglesias doesnt believe in nations and wants to destro his own.You are just a dumb cuck that wants to pass himself as an intelectual
>>78667790
José Antonio and the Falangists were a bunch of "rojos patriotas" that didn't have any clue of how the world and the economy works.
It wasn't until the Falangists were kicked out of power by Franco and the more "economically liberal" right took control of the situation that the Spanish Miracle begin to happen and we raised our economy from the dirt, and without selling our country nor flooding it with immigrants.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_miracle
>muh raza cósmica universal
>>78666499
Any nationalists/ fascists/ nazis?
>>78663481
U.Podemos
Because I want to see this country burn
>>78667363
>And then shoot him when he goes full commie
>>78668216
Not relevant ones.
>>78667899
JA was nationalistic you dumb piece of shit.
>>78666533
Big country, lifestyle depends entirely on the region you live in. Some regions look and sound like entirely different countries.
>>78663481
COMMUNIST UTOPIA
this time it'll work, I swear on me mum's loif
>>78667905
Spain ONLY works when our leader isn't democratic, but the biggest, evilest and meaniest motherfucker all around.
>>78668188
>>78668348
Yeah you literally have no fucking clue. Educate yourself:
http://www.hispaniainfo.es/web/2012/03/30/patria-la-gaita-y-la-lira/
>>78668206
>Unironically speaking about the "Spanish miracle"
End thyself, my goy.
>>78666633
Putin se anexó Galicia ayer mientras todo el mundo miraba hacia UK.
>>78668393
>democratic
Democracy doesnt work, unless most sovereingty is assinged to unelected officials.
>but the biggest, evilest and meaniest motherfucker all around
When did we have this kind of leader? I can just remember Peter the Cruel and he was deposed pretty fucking fast
>>78668418
Fuck off.
ETA
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>>78668537
Isabel, Pelayo, Cortez (not political, but you get the gist), etc...
They where always fighting random shit and it worked.
>>78668418
How does this prove that he wasnt a nationalist dumb fuck? In fact at the end he claims that nationalism is needed, just misinterpreted.How can you be this dumb?
>>78668718
>Isabel
How the fuck was he evil? SHe even gave the natives human rights
>Pelayo
How is he evil?
I would vote for the La Falanga. Than again Castillans are cucks and hopefully Catalonia secedes.
>>78664700
>Glance into /pol/ no more than once a year
>Check Spanish politics thread
>Realize that Spanish politics are so fucked that even in fucking /pol/ Podemos has a considerable amount of supporters.
What a time to be alive.
I mean Vox ain't gonna get shit, but I actually expected a considerable amount of support for them here being the retarded right-wing choice of sorts.
>>78668905
>Pelayo
defeats muslim invasor, that means he's 10000% eviiiil according to today's perception
>Isabel
Kiked kikes out and muslims too, AKA evil.
>>78668603
Oh I thought you were talking about the other "spanish miracle", the one of the Ansar goverment. My bad.
Yes I don't deny that the National-syndicalism ideology was really green economically speaking.
>>78668822
But he doesn't, the specific distinction between Patriotism and Nationalism is a fundamental key on the Joseantonian thought. The whole "Nation" is a liberal-masonic concept of the Anti-España forces, that then spread in the local Nationalisms. Spain itself cannot have a nationalism because it's again its own nature as a union of peoples in a common destiny.
>>78664700
they are so corrupt that its not even funny anymore. Think about hillary levels of corruption but all over the party
>>78669036
>defeats muslim invasor, that means he's 10000% eviiiil according to today's perception
>Kiked kikes out and muslims too, AKA evil.
If you go by liberal logic, then you are right, but those people were nothing close to evil.The fact that Isabel's death was mourn for over a week, should tell you something
Somebody explain the ideology of the Vox party?
>>78669225
Liberal conservatism.
>>78664700
> Causes the biggest financial debacle in the history of the democracy by mismanagement/corruption of the local saving banks and wonders why they are not top pick.
>>78668957
de Rivera can suck my dick
>>78669182
I was going by the liberal perception.
>>78663481
Unidos Podemos.
South CCCP incoming
>>78664875
>Sentirse español
>Con la vergonzosa cantidad de mierda que lleva saliendo la ultima decada
Casi prefiero que no gracias.
>>78669225
Thrump would feel at home there, if it wasn't for the fact that most of them look like mexicans
>>78669063
National syndicalism puts the interest of the nation above anything else, while Iglesias would hurt the people inside his country,to look good, like taking refugees when there are homeless in the country.They are nothing alike.
>>78669334
Is he for mass immigration and pro-EU?
>>78668997
What's wrong with Podemos fool?
Spain is so very fucked right now that it needs a political cleansing. Out with all the hidden Francoists and Falangists.
It would be immensely satisfying to seeing them disposed of by Iglesias .
>>78664371
>Falling for the VOX meme.
Anon I have bad news for you.
>>78669225
National catolicism and economic libertarian
>>78667363
I think you're right.
Pablo Iglesias is actually the most intellectual-oriented of the four major candidates, whether you like his ideas or not. He even supported the right of the citizens to own guns (way before he entered into politics though), which is pretty contradictory with the European left. I respect him.
>>78669488
Podemos is a spanish hatin cultural marxist party. They are basically like green in Europe. Hate native culture and praise savage muslim one.
Inglesias even said Spain should apologise to Islam.
>>78664772
>>78665109
>>78665206
No, the worst thing is that if you did that for every candidate to prime minister there would be a massive amount of shit in every direction, half of it still related to Franco in some way.
And at this point I'll take shit unrelated to Franco than shit related to Franco any day of the week tbqhfam.
I mean at least this guy is actually a good politician and knows how to talk, worst case scenario? We get interesting politics.
>>78669464
Kek
>>78669472
Eurosceptic and against muslims and the islamification of europe
>>78669516
How are the two even mutual?
>>78669488
The last thing we need is a dumbass communist ruining even more our economy and dividing Spain in two sociopolitical blocks.
>>78669662
Than if Falanga is to man for you, than let Vox at least get a seat in parliament.
>>78667355
>>Ciudadanos
>Center-left trying to steal PP's votes, won't win, will pact with PP.
CENTER LEFT XDDDDD
>>78669588
>the most intellectual-oriented
Pls he has the easiest and dullest discourse of them all he always brings crap like "If you go to a bar and ask..." or "Poor Senegalese negro, he should stay here come on". Nothing intelectual about what he says, just bland populism
>>78669469
I think Iglesias, Podemos in general, genuinelly cares about the Spanish people as much as he hates Spain as a concept. That's more than the rest of the politicians out there. That simply uses Spain to control useful idiots that votes PP and C'S but sold out all our dignity and sovereignty to enrich themselves.
>>78669516
>National catolicism
They won't even ilegalize abortion in their political program.
CIVIL WAR WHEN
WE NEED TIO CLEAN THE COUNTRY AGAIN
>>78669602
Podemos is the cure to the cancer that is Spanish politics; where the elitists are making themselves rich off the working class.
The fact that even the PSOE does not like Podemos means that they are truly fighters for the common man, not globalist shills.
>>78669588
That's what the media wants you to believe, that he is some sort of intellectual because he is an university teacher, while in fact he is the most retarded out of the four.
>He even supported the right of the citizens to own guns
He just wanted to sound edgy, he doesn't give a fuck about anything, he just wants to be a contrarian, he is literally a fedora.
>>78669697
The later period of Franquism was kind of like that.They are not market fundamentalist, but they believe in erradicating taxes the VAT for example.
>>78663481
Spain looks so weird without Portugal and France in the picture.
>>78669826
Yeah, that was 2 years ago
MAKE SPAIN GREAT AGAIN
>>78669796
>I think Iglesias, Podemos in general, genuinelly cares about the Spanish people as much as he hates Spain as a concept
Taking refugees or allowing illigal migrants to stay goes against the interests of Spaniards.Podemos is just cultural marxism + social democracy.
THey say that they want to ban abortion
>>78669826
>where the elitists are making themselves rich off the working class.
For fucks sake with that bullshit already.
The only thing leftist know is to spout meme discourses like this and others like "muh inequality", "muh gender gap". Without actually knowing what they are talking about.
Fuck off.
>>78667355
>>PP
>Center
Please be underage, please.
>>78669337
(((((((financial debacle))))))))
>>78667151
That chart is so fucking wrong on both sides
>>78670124
What's so wrong?
>>78669998
u wot m8? 2 years ago?
You don't have a functioning government because the shill Sánchez would rather side with Ciudadanos than Podemos.
Any party that is hated by both sides of the political elite, means it is a party for the people.
Vote Catalunexit
>>78667521
>They're socially liberals. Just like PP
>>pro abortion
>>pro gay marriage
That's not being "socially liberals", in Spain that's just being "not politically suicidal"
>>78670190
>Any party that is hated by both sides of the political elite
Podemos is supported by private media, which is already suspicious as fuck.
>>78670190
POdemos have the support of the media.They just want to flood the country with muslims and niggers, and they are quite open about this
>>78669777
He has dull leftist rhetoric when doing public speeches, but watch some epiodes of Fort Apache. He's not dumb at all.
>>78669831
He probably slipped some teenage edginess in there, I give you that.
>>78664341
>shilling in /pol/
What a sad life pudremitas
>>78670190
You don't know shit, m8.
>>78670237
>in Spain that's just being "not politically suicidal
Pro life is like 40-45 % of the population.Don't be a fool
For those not following the Spanish elections, this is what has happened so far.
The PSOE leader spent the whole pre-election period stating that he would remove some of the PP’s laws. Podemos went to the negotiating table, with 10 mandatory requirements, one of which was the election promise from the PSOE, and they PSOE reneged on their own election promise. Which some say is normal, but Podemos are not reneging on their electoral promises, the reason is that they are not seasoned politicians who lie to get into power. The Spanish media is controlled by the ruling party, in this case the PP, and have been painting Podemos as communists or venezuelan socialists, and that Spain will follow Venezuela down the path of autodestruction, that the corruption are isolated cases, when the whole Valencian PP party are under investigation, not to mention cases scattered across all of Spain of PSOE and PP politicians.
Podemos even offered a new approach to allow all parties to have representatives in a functioning government, but apparently, that’s just not enough power for the PSOE and PP to share out.
The PSOE and Ciudadanos evidently don’t want real change, neither does the PP. So until the parties themselves come to terms of the end of the 2 party system, Spain won’t have a functioning government.
>>78670190
Sanchez is a cuck. Not even hyperbolically. He would drop his pants to the ankles and let Pablo buttfuck him violently if that meant achieving power.
And my suspicious is that his wife is the one to blame in all of this. That bitch is almost everywhere he appears.
>>78667521
Totally agree. The left has created this meme that Ciudadanos is far right but they are moderate liberals all the way.
>>78667151
>GDP x%
What does it mean?
>>78670286
>but watch some epiodes of Fort Apache
When he openly talks about Spain's interests like being pro secesionist, because identity, while trying to destroy the identity of the rest of the country? Iglesias is a pseudointelectual moron, and will always be
>>78670286
>teenage edginess
>On a 40 year old
There is nothing more to say about him...
All of the things other parties say about iranian connections with Podemos are also him being edgy.
>>78669826
Importing millions of uneducated Afrikans and muslims is harming the working class because it is lowering their vages. Inglecias is a neo-liberal who hates european values.
Does spain have a nationalist party like SD/FN/UKIP?
>>78666788
ra... rare?
>>78670493
Growth I guess
I'm voting VOX, lads. I know it won't make a difference, but any other option is fucking bullshit.
God save our country.
>>78669918
I see. No wonder why Catholicism is falling in Spain. It is basically protestantism.
>>78670170
>IRPF
>Indirect tax
>GDP 36% or 12.8%
What the fuck does that even mean? It is measured in millions/billions of €
>Ilegal inmigration 6.5 million
Not all inmigrants are ilegal, they are just a minority
>World misery index ranked 7th
I guess the whole of Africa, America, Asia and Oceania is richer than us
>Salaries of gov in Franco era
Terribly high and corrupt
>MPs
comparing pts and € in different years
>>78670602
>ANgola
>Rare
>>78666633
Some rusky is mining bitcoins through your computer
>>78670603
No, that doesnt make sense
>>78670402
>The Spanish media is controlled by the ruling party, in this case the PP,
What the fuck are you smoking? at most TVE is kind of pro-government, private media have been spouting PP corruption cases non stop for the last year, and at the same time becoming propaganda machines for Podemos.
>>78670586
Vox, still too young and probably wont get representation
>>78670544
>Iglesias is a neoliberal
wew lad.
>>78670500
No, Iranian and Venezuelan ties to Podemos are very real. It's just in their global interests to support far-left movements in the West.
About the edginess thing... not an argument.
>>78667031
Too bad the majority of the population is retarded and blue-pilled. They won't vote for anything that doesn't appear on TV.
That's why Hundimos is 2nd
>>78670603
That's not very likely since almost 13% GDP growth seems extremely high for 1st world nation and last time I checked spanish economy was shit.
>inb4 people saying Spain is 3rd world
>>78670714
You are clearly not living in Spain, aren't you?
>>78666041
Now it is
![220px-Ruiz-Gallardón,_Ministro_de_Justicia_(2012)[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/y4IgAVk.jpg "220px-Ruiz-Gallardón, Ministro de Justicia (2012)[1]")
>>78670368
>Pro life is like 40-45 % of the population.Don't be a fool
Arite, you go ahead and tell this guy that ok?
Please do go ahead and write him a letter or something.
>>78670637
>IRPF
>Indirect tax
Indirect taxes existed,IRPF didnt
>Not all inmigrants are ilegal, they are just a minority
Not really.Most of them come iligally and then they regulate their situations once they are in
>Terribly high and corrupt
Nothing compared to the expenses of autonomies + political parties
>comparing pts and € in different years
10000pts is less than 2000 euros a month adjusting it to inflation.
>>78663481
PP, because they are the lesser evil.
I'm just praying that there's enough political stability for a couple of years so that I can finish my degree.
Then I'll leave and this shithole can burn for all I care.
>>78670903
You clearly don't watch TV.
What are the chances of Catalonia getting freedom?
>>78666533
Come in but don't expect to have a job or something related
>>78667031
pero con la mierda de sistema electoral que tenemos, votar a partidos minoritarios es tirar el voto. Solo puedes votar a partidos como UPyDead, VOX y P-Lib si vives en Madrid.
En Pontevedra por ejemplo, o votas al PP o al PSOE o a Podemos o tiras tu voto.
Peor en provincias donde solo salen 2 diputados...
Este sistema se hizo así para evitar que partidos pequeños llegaran al poder y mantener a los grandes, y les va a pasar factura por Podemos llevando un montón de votos en provincias muy pobladas...
>>78666633
>>78668461
Un servidor dalle a benvida aos nosos novos señores rusos
>>78670237
>My party is still Ideologically A, is only ideologically B so people with B ideology will vote for it!
>>78670493
National debt to GDP percentage?
>>78670637
>>IRPF
>>Indirect tax
Well yes, I don't know what they meant.
>>GDP 36% or 12.8%
>What the fuck does that even mean? It is measured in millions/billions of €
What does it matter the what the currency is, its a percentage.
>>Salaries of gov in Franco era
>Terribly high and corrupt
No.
>>78670637
>>MPs
>comparing pts and € in different years
I don't even know what MP refers too here desu
>>78670979
>Arite, you go ahead and tell this guy that ok?
That was PP screwing up, and wanting to appease the majority.He still has lots of support inside PP
>>78671062
Null I would say, in their elections that movement lost
>>78670946
Kawai desu ne
>>78670734
Are they nationalists? Only seem right wing to me. What do they think about EU?
>>78671061
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBN89eRf-1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDFiwI53UM4
>>78670714
Ever read a newspaper?
Do you remember the size of the stink raised by the whole Monedero thing? Which STILL gets talked about?
Do you realize that if the same treatment was given to every party, we would literally have news about corruption 24/7? And I mean literally 24 hours every single day with nothing else showing up on tv.
>>78667232
a los gallegos nos ha dado mucho por culo, pero tenemos un sistema tan rural y tan descentralizado que nos la pela lo que nos hagan, solo queremos tener nuestras tierras y punto.
Ya ves que los únicos que se quejan son los pseudo-intelectuales de Marea que viven en Santiago y Pontevedra. El resto todos del PP.
>>78670714
LOL.
Are you crazy man? Media fucking hates Podemos and the only reason they show any positive coverage is because the common people support Podemos and they don't want to anger them too much.
TVE is sucking the cock of Rajoy and PP. They wish they could sweep the corruption under the rug and ignore but it is too big.
>>78664875
>muh Spain
Nigger I am Spain. I refuse to acknowledge Spain as a set of values of less than two centuries. I fucking refuse to accept corruption and cronyism as a must and I refuse to believe that all those traitors from PSOE and PP who sold us to EU love my country. They should be indicted and Spain should go full French revolution on their asses.
Podemos is not the best option ever, but certainly not the worst. Nothing grinds my gears the most like seeing an army of drones and salvapatrias pretending to love the country they are jewing. That's high treason. Fuck off.
>>78667355
dont forget Podemos is "SocialDemocrata" mate. They are the most moderados.
I fuckin hate them so much, fuckin commie-liers...
>>78666131
Didn't this guys say that Israel killed his son?
Is he redpilled?
Los podemitas sois un cáncer incluso en 4chan
I had to look up Spanish political parties, desu.
Holy fuck every one of them are leftist! They range from Pp liberal "conservatism" , socialists, to full on commies.
>>78671600
Unidos Podemos = IU (Commies) + Podemos
>>78669763
>XDDDDD
Back to meneame, fucking retard.
>>78671212
Eurosceptic. And want to preserve national identity. I would day that they are close to UKIP,except that they are less anti-EU
>>78670248
>private media
Which one?
> Antena 3
PP
> Telecinco/Mediaset
Psoe
> La sexta
Which party was the last one being interviewed by Gonzo in El Intermedio?
So, in sort. Private media doesn't like Podemos
>>78671694
>American talking about political spectrum.
KEK
Podemos ruling party when?
>>78671530
All I expect from Podemos if they get any kind of power is to clean this mess up some.
I know that unemployment is a bigger problem, it's also a far more difficult problem to solve, so that's what I want.
It's kind of depressing that I'm afraid that so much shit will be found that both PP and PSOE might crumble to dust in political terms.
I'm voing for PSOE.
>>78671694
>Holy fuck every one of them are leftist!
Yes. "Right wing" in Europe is still more to the left than Democrats in the us. It's pathetic, this place is fucking disgusting.
>>78670402
>Australia flag
People not living in Spain should not be allowed to vote. You guys don't know what's happening in the country, only follow memes you see in twitter, consume leftist media and don't care what will happen to the country since it won't affect you at all.
Here you can find Iglesias missing Chávez. Look at the dislike bar, the shills doing their job to try to hide it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDlWsNm6fnE
Here Iglesias admits using Iran to unbalance Spain (They accept their money)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHtRcaxydr8
They never condemned the chavist regime and political prisoners in Venezuela
They want to start a referendum in Catalonia and we all know what happens after a referendum just by looking at UK
They want to bring millions of muslims and change the legislation so they can become spanish sooner and have the right to VOTE. I'm not making up this, you can check it in their party program. I know some of you just want to se the world burn, but letting more muslims in will cause an irreversible damage to this country. Look at Londonistan, Brussels or the whole France.
>>78671520
>Media fucking hates Podemos
No. The kingpings that control the biggest media blocks have a channel decated for shilling to Podemos. Podemos was a made up party in a debate programme. It is one of the most artificial parties to exist in our country with Ciudadanos
>>78671062
Who knows. After brexit, everything can happen.
>>78663481
Bildu all the way, may as well trigger spaincucks while we drown with the rest of this joke of a country.
>>78671694
And all your parties are globalist scum. Including Trump.
Now fuck off, this is a thread only for countries with universal healthcare.
>>78664970
PNR is the answer!
>>78671375
Monedero was too radical and they wanted to eliminate him from the party, you are not going to see anything against Pablo on media.
>>78671798
La sexta is literally Podemos central news.
>>78671520
They have been given coverage long before they were a party, remember Pablo was a tertulian on TV before Podemos was something known.
2nd gen dual citizen here, voted podemos even though I disagree with anything communist. Just thought it would be funny considering I wont even be voting in my own countries election. Have fun brothers, enjoy the sunshine :D
>>78671798
>Sexta
>Not liking Podemos
Ffs,they basically created them.
![Chaves-Grinan-Susana-Inocentes[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/eigNZmd.png "Chaves-Grinan-Susana-Inocentes[1]")
>>78671942
>I'm voing for PSOE.
Because you are not the victim of their corruption, right? Thank you retard.
>>78672081
Go to fuck yourself. I'm tired of dual-citizen people voting for experiments since they can easily move to another country if the country explodes. Go to fuck yourself again, asshole.
>>78672050
La Sexta covers Podemos news because it gives audience but Antena 3 owns La Sexta, so it makes no sense saying that La Sexta supports Podemos.
>>78671976
I'm not allowed to vote you baboso.
I follow Spanish politics because I did an assignment on Movimiento 15-M many years ago and I remain interested in the area.
>>78667658
that guy just has to create more debts until geromoney crushes under all the weight of brexit, greece, spain, refugees....
>>78671942
E R E
R
E
>>78672050
>Monedero was too radical and they wanted to eliminate him from the party, you are not going to see anything against Pablo on media.
This. Monedero was Trotsky and was a liability to them
>>78672240
Have you ever watched la Sexta? Have you ever watched al rojo vivo? Have you ever watched la sexta noche?
Podemos was created in there.
>>78672240
>La Sexta supports Podemos.
They basically do. They created them,or do you think that Iglesias founding a party,after being misteriously invited into their programme all the weeks was a coincidence?
>>78671694
Spain could be Sweden 2,0
>>78672219
Is the lack of employment getting to you?
>>78672209
You're welcome communist/fascist.
>>78671976
>People not living in Spain should not be allowed to vote. You guys don't know what's happening in the country, only follow memes you see in twitter, consume leftist media and don't care what will happen to the country since it won't affect you at all.
Hey I mean, they usually get fucked over by the government trying to rig the elections anyway, so don't worry much about that.
Also, have you considered that a great deal of the people who are on foreign countries are there precisely because of the Spanish political climate?
>>78672455
No we are too poor for that.
>>78663481
Please vote PP. We don’t want trash communists below us, stay worthy.
>All this people complaining about the media hating on Pablemos
I don't know if you're so fucking stupid, but when the media really hates something, or when the factual powers don't want anything, the strategy is basically ignore it.
All that media thing talking about Podemos one day after another is just a way to make publicity. If Pablemos has been complaining about the system all this time, and the media of the system criticizes them, they're just playing in the same team.
>>78666788
Angola is Portugal
TAKE MY COUNTRY AS A CAUTIONARY TALE
DO NOT VOTE PODEMOS
>>78672474
Let me guess you live in Andalucia and are half gypsie
>>78672684
Thats too late
We are fucked wherever cames winning
>>78672705
I live in the Basque Country, the only european region in Spain.
¿Nunca te cansas de equivocarte, paleto?
![3523e695b4dbb896956423bf93d32a22[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/We3LmWJ.jpg "3523e695b4dbb896956423bf93d32a22[1]")
>>78672128
>>78672050
> Implying PSOE and PP didn't have media attention for literally decades.
> Implying news never act as propaganda for each of the two parties.
> Implying Podemos has a 1/10 of the influence in traditional media
> Implying La Sexta, which is the supposed supported channel for Podemos are not sidding with PSOE.
Nigger, seems like you don't see El Intermedio that much, isn't it?
> mfw Gonzo ask Podemos followers if they are commies or social democrats
> mfw Gonzo ask PSOE followers who was the culprit in the failed negotation process between PSOE and PODEMOS
>>78672000
Yes, without TV Podemos would have never come to exist. But you can say the same for every other Party. TV is essential in politics. It is just retarded to blame La Sexta for allow space to Podemos when literally every other channel is offering even more space to every other Party.
> What is En tu casa o en la mía, where no Podemitas has ever come
> What is Dos días y una noche, in which PP was the last to be featured, closer to the voting.
> What is El Intermedio, a tv program which also featured interviews to party leaders, the last one being to PSOE, again closer to the voting day.
It is like you don't even try
>>78671976
In my understanding you are to left-wing because you are being indoctrinised since the 70s by anti-franqoist forces.
>>78672024
>this is a thread only for countries with universal healthcare.
So, for shitty uncivilized countries?
>>78671916
I expect them to win but to be forced to stick to cleansing corruption and saying no to EU.
If they don't get much power they won't be able to go SJW mode.
>>78672325
Pablo is a revolutionary commie to the core, only much more intelligent so he changes the discourse to be more appealing. He is basically the anti-trump
>tfw the most intelligent political strategist in your country is a fucking commie
Shit, I mean look at Vox and every other "alternative" party, they are all led by imbeciles.
>>78672474
> You're welcome communist/fascist.
> "Corruption is the best for you, it is ok don't thank me".
Are you, literally speaking, retard?
>>78663481
Falange de las JONS
>>78672684
People can’t understand this, especially 3rd world shittholes like Spain or Greece. Communism can’t fucking work.
Thankfully not everyone here is uneducated yet.
KEK at the options to vote for
you need a revolution my mans
![nos-van-a-dar-pero-bien-la-reaccion-de-a3-a-la-noticia-del-viaje-de-podemos-a-venezuela[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/isjO0eE.jpg "nos-van-a-dar-pero-bien-la-reaccion-de-a3-a-la-noticia-del-viaje-de-podemos-a-venezuela[1]")
>>78672623
> the strategy is basically ignore
And they ignore them shortly after the european elections. But you can hardly ignore a party when it is about to reach n1.
>>78671942
>PSOE
Not a real party. Sánchez is a cuck with no real power and the puppetmaster's goons control the whole thing.
>>78666499
Are you retarded IU always wanted to leave Europe you fuck.
>>78673046
We did have something similar
It was called 15-M and didn't do shit.
>>78673046
Yes
the kang should take over
>>78672999
>3rd world shittholes like Spain or Greece. Communism can’t fucking work.
A fucking lecturing others about the evils of socialism. Manda cojones.
>>78672684
Imagine things like the police of the state showing up at the headquarters of a newspaper demanding proof from a corruption case in the government, with no warrant of any sort, refusing to state who sent them.
Scary stuff I tell ya.
>>78670946
>Filthy español
>Not based CATAKAGE Joan Tarda after he killed Uriol Junqueres with his sonic voice jew-jutsu
>>78673142
They're retarded SJWs now, they almost had my vote until he spouted that retarded "heteropatriarchy" bullshit, they can go fuck themselves, just like the rest of the country.
>>78672240
I watch laSexta every day and I can tell you are full of shit. Al Rojo vivo spends 2 hours every day saying good things about Podemos, interviewing Podemos members and saying PP is corrupt. La sexta noticias gives more screentime to anything Podemos does and only talks about other parties to shit on them. Salvados and el Objetivo is pro Podemos and they only show pro Podemos documentaries and PPs corruption at night
>>78666533
Dude if you have Education or a Degree there is no problem only minimum wage faggots can't get job and bitch about it.
>>78673170
what is your kang like?
the swedish kang is useless but the norwegian one is allright
>>78672859
>Implying PSOE and PP didn't have media attention for literally decades.
And now Podemos is getting coverage as well, which means they are also supported by the system.
>Implying news never act as propaganda for each of the two parties.
News about the two main parties have been just about corruption.
>Implying La Sexta, which is the supposed supported channel for Podemos are not sidding with PSOE.
They support everything leftist.
>muh evil CAPITALISM
>muh CORPORATIONS
>muh INEQUALITY
>>78672999
They never sell communism to the public m8, even if that's the ideology of the leaders.
What they sell is even worse, watered down socialism and cancerous social policies "muh nordic countries muh free shit muh patriarchy we need more refugees A PERSON CAN'T BE ILLEGAL LMAO".
And it's not a matter of education, it never is. College educated people like podemos, just like they like Bernie in the US.
>>78672881
>indoctrinised
Nigger when you get rid of a dictatorship you don't really need indoctrination to make people hate the previous establishment.
When half of the people you know had someone in their family killed by the state and pretty much everybody's grandparents still remember the misery caused by the civil war.
Then you get a "democratic" government with several ties to the regime and a truckload of people that defend it out of interest.
You don't need any indoctrination to make people hate that.
>>78673096
They have been promoted by LaSecta 24/7, before, during and after the european electiones mate.
They have their own channel just like PP has TVE, meanwhile the other ones are bombing us about how bad they are, but in the end they are always in focus.
Btw, you don’t have a good right-wing party in Spain? Like, PP is really the only decent choice? Nothing more attractive? Sigh, fucking leftards.
I mean Podemos doesn't sound that bad right? I-I mean they're for direct democracy so they gotta be good right?
>>78673599
>PP
>Decent
If you are right-winged here you are fucked
>>78673147
>It was called 15-M and didn't do shit.
Because police infiltrated the movement, among other things.
I don't know why people are so scared of Venezuela, we have been dealing with that kind of shit for several years.
>>78672999
That is why Le pen that has the same economic programme than Podemos is the most voted party in France.
>>78663481
Vote Falange
>>78673671
Because of Franco’s heritage? I’ve met a few Spanish in my life, they always complain about your fascism period. IMO it could have been way worse with the pro-soviets communists.
>>78673671
if you are any-winged here you are fucked mate. Every political party here is a joke. It's a reflection of the people, really.
>>78673756
Well, this is actually debated. Front National is divided between two main orientations.
You don’t have an equivalent in Spain? Do you have mudslimes, at least?
>>78673732
In our worst scenario we're not even close Venezuela, that shitty argument "b-but we are like Venezuela now, look at corruption" doesn't work.
Also, 15-M did some good things, but there wasn't "muh evil police" who fucked it, there were all those perroflautas fuckers who dedicates their lives to being SJW as a form of life and haven't worked a single day, they took control of everything because normal people had to back to work and run their lifes.
>>78673481
>capitalism
It was good. Not capitalism at this point.
>corporations
Merchants merchanting. An economic foreign invading force with power over your government. Are you really so much of a cuck that you don't see anything wrong? Here?
>inequality.
I'm all in for a real meritocracy, but putting friends in power and allowing this giant economic scam must end. I'd send big tax evaders to the mines.
>>78673732
>we have been dealing with that kind of shit for several years.
>>78673732
>why people are so scared of Venezuela
Would you rather live in a State that is opressive (actually opressive, no tumblr memes) but you can get food and walk somewhat safely around?
Or in a state that is opressive, you can't find even a loaf of bread and where you have a huge chance of being robbed, kidnapped or killed?
I despise some of the decisions the PP have done but lets be honest, if Podemos doesn't get in power we will be always better than Venezuela.
>>78673962
You Front National is way too socialist, France needs less socialism over all does not matter if national or international socialism.
>>78666633
kek
>>78673837
Because of Franco’s heritage?
Yes everything right-winged its seens as fascist, even wear your own flag, wich is actually dumb
>>78673937
Truth
t. left-winged dude
>>78674015
15 M was our OWS movement. Check out that /pol/ack who was one of the leaders since day one. It's truly disheartening how the radical left ruined the legitimacy of the whole movement.
>>78666633
PUTIN'D
>>78674183
Oh, I see everybody would love to replace the current flag with the republican one.
Maybe, you would have decent national party if Vox and Falange would turn economically left-wing. It should merge with the syndicates. This is the recipe how FN and FPÖ managed to defeat the elitists.
>>78674183
Only liberal uni students see that as fascist. Most people don't care.
>>78674065
At least we have some influent right-winged political groups, not only FN.
>>78674183
As I thought. Like in Germany with nazism, they’re always using the past to afraid people of being proud of their history and their country. I still think that Franco was a better option than communists scums.
>>78672219
No te enfades chavalin :)
>>78674020
I agree with your points and I don't support cronyism or "capitalismo de amiguetes" either, wich isn't really true free market capitalism as it should protect against monopolies by making it easy to compete against them and not giving them privileges. As I always said, the right in Spain is not really a true economic right, neither is the USA a true free market capitalistic nation as it is more a crony plutocracy that only works for the interests of the big monopolies already established.
The problem here is the rhetoric, the leftists in Spain have won the cultural war by 9000% and nowadays the simple word of "capitalism" evokes something negative, which is absurd given that capitalism in its most simplistic way is the basic freedom of doing what you want with your PRIVATE CAPITAL that goes from the tomatoes and potatoes you planted in your garden from your car, bike or home to a big corporation that sells t-shirts. Socialism on the contrary wants to prohibit you from your right to do what you want with your own property.
People just don't understand anymore how positive it is capitalism and how much it is related to individual freedoms, it is sad, really.
>>78672219
Yup, and they’re voting whereas they’re disconnected of the reality of the country. Like in Austria when the expatriates votes changed the results to make leftists win.
>>78674953
Wow, this guy is so fucking right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)#Politics:_individual_rights_and_capitalism
I know you won't vote for Podemos, but I'm worried that populism will do its meme magic and the corruption might change someones vote.
Venezuela "worked" somehow because we had shitloads of oil at +100$ to sustain this shit ideology.
>>78674622
The most funny thing is that they keep using "muh memoria historica" when it comes to talk about the civil war.
Emphasis on CIVIL, as there are survivours who had families on the Republican side (the eternal martyrs) and on the National side (the eternal nazis) and BOTH OF THEM suffered executions and other things.
People like to remember how Carrillo was one of the founders of the current Constitution, but nobody mentions that he ordered the execution of Nationals in Paracuellos.
>>78674622
>had right wing ideologues killed.
>installed the whole Spanish corruption system
>cucked Spain with the US for short-term benefits.
>polarized left and right so badly that we still haven't recovered.
Sure he wasn't Stalin but he was no saint. He forged himself a future from the bottom to the very top and he was either lucky or a very smart one, I give you that.
Here's the catch: name the best leader in Spain after him.
>>78674953
>People just don't understand anymore how positive it is capitalism and how much it is related to individual freedoms, it is sad, really.
And it wouldn't happen if capitalism hadn't been whored to death.
>>78675145
I know right? People are always talking of «Republicans» like they were martyrs of the conflict and fighting for freedom against the evil nazis.
>>78675132
5 years of podemos won't turn us into venezuela. They will force the main parties ti get their shit together next elections and they will make lesser parties rise with "I can do better than Problemos" ideas.
I say chaos is what we need.
>>78675145
Greetings to your leftists from Germany!
Arriba Espana!
>>78675145
What? Carrillo had no role whatsoever in the foundation of the constitution, noone says that.
No one, next week I'm moving abroad.
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