So, /pol/, was there ever a time when Muslims were a respectable people? I just watched Kingdom of Heaven and it left me wondering where all those kinds of Muslims went and where did the shit-stained mongoloid Muslims of today come from.
Help me out
That was liberal propaganda. They were always barbaric warlords.
>>77867180
This movie was before the bullshit attacks started happening in Europe though
>>77867068
middle eastern people became barabarians when the US started bombing innocent opium farmers, stealing iraqi oil,toppling innocent leaders, and generally destabilizing the whole region by funding terrorist groups
>>77867068
Kingdom of Heaven is slanted to be very pro-Muslim, it's not historical
>>77867491
Makes sense
>>77867586
and how so?
>>77867586
>pro muslim
where the protagonist is a christian fighter
neh
>>77867662
I'm no expert, but check out this series:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOFrB743PgE
>>77867068
Yes, before 1000bc
>>77867586
The only pro-Muslim sentiments I got weren't actually pro-Muslim but a respect for Saladin and his command. The man apparently war honourable for his time, him and Richard had a mutual respect for one another, more than anyone two differing factions should.
>>77867068
Muslims invented the slave trade.
Arabs like the Barbary Pirates practiced the slave trade 700 years before white people practiced the slave trade.
>>77867968
Exactly
>>77868012
>Muslims invented the slave trade.
nope, that'd be blacks themselves, africans were the first ones to enslave each other.
and barbary slave trades were only made to catch POWs during ottoman wars
>>77868012
Slavery predates history itself.
>>77867968
>>77867792
Watch real crusades history on youtube. Some serious red pilling.
>>77867968
Saladin wasn't noble or anything at all, that's a myth
>>77867068
you are right actually
we are getting dumber in every century
>>77867269
Uh, no. Ever heard of ever heard of The Baytle of Tours and the dozen battles before it in the West? And the Byzantine-Arab Wars in the East? This is if we are excluding everthing including and past Yarmouk.
>>77868145
i'm already enlightened on the subject
>>77868181
Yet the Lionhearted spoke kindly of the man.
Obviously you can't know for certain how someone behaved when all you have to go on are medieval writings. I've heard and read throughout my life that he was indeed honourable for a Muslim so that's my take on it. I can't prove anything.
During the height of the Islamic Empire, there were extremely benevolent to outsiders and welcomed them in the exchange of scientific knowledge and goods. Then, at some point, fundamentalism took hold and now the former empire is one giant shit show.
>>77868435
>tunisia
>anti-christian
Big surprise there
>>77867068
This movie is full of muslim propaganda, I can't remember all but there's a muslim grabbing a globe stuff in the end, very subtle.
>>77868181
on the contrary, many history sources tell otherwise
unlike richard, saladin was a man of honor
>>77868534
Or should we say
>Muslim
>Anti-Christian
>>77868513
What was the cause of this transformation though?
>>77868566
I think you're thinking of when Saladin picks up a cross and puts it back on a table as a sign of respect
>>77867180
True. Look up the Baytle of Hattin, Saladin was viciois as hell. He gave commands to execute Templars on sight and refused to ranson them.
And the Siege of Jerusalem was all bullshit. After it was captured the citizens were "ransomed" for their freedom. Pretty much noone could afford it, so almost everyone was enslaved.
The few that could afford a ransom (the very rich) were kicked out with nothing and most were attacked not far from the city.
Only a very lucky few escaped, and did so by taking a ship to Byzantine controlled Cyprus.
>>77867269
Muslims invasion of Europe has been on going for thousands of years...See the ottoman empire.
>>77868617
>>77868585
We could still make Tunisia something that St. Augustine would be proud of
>>77868435
>wikipedia as sources
you ever bother to check the sources wikipedia itself uses? 90% of them are fucking trash, dead links, or literature that is out of print and impossible to find
trying using real historical sources if you have a point to make
>>77867491
I promise Iraq would of been as rich as Dubai if they never got invaded
>>77868632
A lot of factors. Invasions from every directions, philosophical ideals changed (a more literal reading of the Quran), and the fall of rationalism
Personally, I think the Islamic peoples flourish under a strong, secular leadership and falls to shit any time that's disrupted.
>>77868106
>barbary slave trades were only made to catch POWs during ottoman wars
Good one, Tunis. Do they actually teach kids that shit over there?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbary_slave_trade
>>77867068
Pre-Islam Arabic people were reasonable and advanced cultures.
Things only went to hell once Zoroastrianism got the boot and Mohammed took over.
>>77868106
Slavery predates written history. What he was referring to was Arabs/Muslims were the first outsiders to enslave blacks, which isn't true. That would be the Egyptians.
Muslims were the first outsiders to enslave sub-saharan blacks, though.
>>77867068
Those Muslims were the conquerors. They had pride, wealth, and power. Today's Muslims are the conquered. They have despair, poverty, and subjugation.
>>77868970
Arabs were never Zoroastrians.
>>77869026
Implying Greeks, Romans and Germans never enslaved anyone
>>77868970
This was 600 years after Muhammad. Islam has always been about spreading the faith by the sword with unrelenting fundamentalism.
You have to watch out for abrogation of the Quran though, the most recent Suras created are the ones that directly relate to Jihad and the various justifications for it.
>>77867068
Here is your clue.
>>77867068
they kicked the tar out of invading australians in turkey once
>>77869213
So the Ottomans should've controlled those territories or what?
>>77868452
Because you don't belittle a man that has bested or equaled you. You don't say what a weak savage or fool a man is that is your rival. It makes you look like an idiot.
It's that way for every competition. Saying some guy is a shitty athlete and then he beats you implies tou are even shittier by tour own account.
Read up on Saladin the Kurd when he took of the Ayyubid dynasty. The most negative things written aboit him came from his subjects in Egypt.
>>77869051
>They had pride, wealth, and power.
UAE is the biggest importer of Ferraris every year at 1500 units. The first is USA at 2000 models shipped
>>77868452
>Yet the Lionhearted spoke kindly of the man.
Soldiers always inflate the prowess of their enemies.
Look at Erwin Rommel, he was a good commander but the allies inflated his legend far beyond his accomplishments simply because doing so made them look better for beating him.
>>77869399
>comparing warfare to sportsmanship
Wew laddie.
>>77867068
Never. Kingdom of Heaven was made by a jew and is rife with historical inaccuracies and took every chance to portray the Europeans as niggers.
>>77869159
What part of "slavery predates history" did you not understand?
Where did I say those other people never partook in slavery?
You reading comprehension sucks because I was commenting on which foreigners started the African slave trade.
Kingdom of Heaven is pretty abysmal when it comes to historical accuracy. It's more like low fantasy loosely based on history.
>>77869553
Romans where in Africa and they traded Africans
>>77868890
Never. Lived there for almost 4 years. They have an oligarch problem just like everywhere else.... the ability is there but the sandfleas have a genetic predisposition. It prevents them from having self control. Of any kind. Seen young males raping dogs in the streets. It's only gay sex if you're in love. All the lolifags would love it over there too... all desert niggers should die.
>>77869517
>refuting nothing I said
Wew laddy. Competition is competition. You do not bad mouth your equal or someone that beat you.
Kingdom is a shit film, filled with inaccuracies. If you are taking history lessons from a jewllywood film, you need to hand in your /pol/ card.
>>77867068
>So, /pol/, was there ever a time when Muslims were a respectable people?
No
>>77868636
The conquests you listed were merely political and had nothing to do with religion
>>77868890
This
>>77868534
Now you are resorting to name Calling and such? Give an argument or begone.
>>77869664
I do know there are a bunch of historical inaccuracies; I'm just asking about the morality of early Muslims compared to that of today's
>>77869645
There is no evidence that Romans had a slave trade with sub-sahara Africans.
Africa=/=black.
The first evidene of sub-sahara slave trade comes from Muslim Timbuktu.
>>77869543
europeans were the niggers of the world before they got lucky and figured out how gunpowder works.
before that it was a never ending torrent of btfo by the people around them.
hell, they cant even reach china before the muslim does.
>>77869799
[Citation needed]
>>77869656
I'm not trying to refute what you're saying, bud.
>>77868889
In my experience Wikipedia deletes the shady of dead sources and replaced them with [citation needed]
>>77867491
The Middle East except for the small strip of land on the Mediterranean that the Romans controlled has always been barbaric
Ask Julius Caesar even he took one damn look at that place and said "I sure as hell am not going in there"
I don't know if it's genetics or the facts of living in a desert that makes everyone insane but almost EVERYTHING that is screwed up in this world originated in that fucking desert
>>77867068
>left me wondering where all those kinds of Muslims went
They beheaded the whole prisoners after the battle. Where is your kind people?
Also
>falling for the hollywood propaganda
No, muslims have always been bloodthirsty savage idiots. They just used to be somewhat competent at it unlike today.
>>77869859
>citing the absence of something.
Cite me the Romans were involved in sub-saharan slave trading.
The evidence of Timbuktu being an area for slave trade as early as the 10th century is there, just google. That's the reason Timbuktu existed, it was a trading post with sub-sahara Africa for ivory, slaves, and other things.
>>77869651
Wrong, under saddams rule Iraq could've had a high HDI and standard of living since that was the governments #1 priority.
>>77869328
Only 8000 Australians died. 86000 Turks died.
>>77868632
The main cause of Islam transforming into what it is today is Gengis Kahn and the Mongols. They basically rolled over the Islamic world and burned it to the ground. Islam never really recovered from that.
>>77868636
you know what I always find wierd?
Most of the crusades occurred in Israel
>>77870163
aussies were just backup forces for the brits
the turks still win.
dont ever try to attempt pest control again. youre just not very good at it m8
>>77869446
And the UAE isn't a hot spring of terrorism. Places with lots of terrorism are places that are war torn poverty infested shitholes like Iraq, Afghanistan, and Syria right now. People aren't violent because of stupid religions, they are violent because they don't have opportunity and are poor. Thats why poor nations are more likely to be aggresive look at history even white nations like Germany after they got fucked by world war 1 and were in the shitter went with Hitler and started wars they couldn't win. If you are not poor you are less likely to be violent or commit crimes, because if you do that stuff you have alot to lose. Germany won't start invading poland now because they don't want to lose all the wealth and comfort they created, rich people won't rob banks at gun point because they'd rather not go to prison. If you are poor though, there isn't really much you can lose, but there is a chance you can gain something. So why not attack the wealthy and take what you can to be better off?
>>77869976
Again, wrong, North Africa thrived under Carthaginian and Ronan rule, it also had God tier agriculture.
Pre islamic Middle East thrived in literature especially poetry.
The Arabs also generally had good achievements in medicine, literature, and maths, sociology, and a bunch of other shit
>>77870296
Israel didn't exist at the time
Nah, Islam was always fucked.
>>77870291
This makes a lot of sense. Thanks anon
>>77869213
>Wahhabis (Saudis)
So how the fuck did that little "country" in the middle of a fucking desert become Saudi Arabia again?
>>77870291
You need to read some of their earlier stuff. Abu Bakr and Omar (or Umar) were no different.
You have good leaders and bad, but to act like Islam was always peaceful or never warlike before the Mongols is wildely inaccurate.
>>77869391
The Ottomans did control them for centuries, and Islam was developing in a strongly liberal, modern direction.
When the Ottomans fell power in Arabia was split between the Rashids, the Hashemites in the Hejaz, the Wahhabis in Riyadh and a few other minors. The expected outcome was either a Rashidi Arabia or a continuation of that multi-polar status quo.
Instead the 'Anglo-americans' intervened, ran the Hashemites and the Rashids out of power, and effectively handed it all the Sauds, who were the sponsors of the Wahabbis, who are still the official keepers of religion in Saudi Arabia. They've used the Hejaz and the oil money to build their schools and send their preachers throughout the muslim world. They revived concepts like takfir which had been rejected throughout the muslim world for a many centuries, and their doctrines are at the heart of AQO and Daesh.
>>77870410
This. Parts of the middle east were great until islam came and fucked everything up
>>77870335
Hows the Ottoman Empire doing these days roach?
>>77867792
>who has claim? All have claim!
In response to who should own Jerusalem.
Yeah no. The protagonist was basically a fucking atheist.
>>77867068
I'm this close to converting.
Someone give me some good reasons why not.
Because i have trouble finding another path in life at the moment.
>>77870791
The last 2 parts of my posts were talking about after-islam arabia
>>77870814
Invading germany.
btw im not a roach, im a locust. Come have a war with us so we can give you a third day off.
>>77870079
Saddam had gold everything... Baghdad was exactly where I lived. Just outside the main palace and the perfume palace? Slums. Granted it wasn't as bad as the southern tip of the city, like Al Yusufiyah, or Sadr City.. but still. Saddam wasn't doing shit for the people. The sunni minority had the power of the rest. All because of hoarded wealth. Not that it matters. Fuck all of em.
>>77867068
The people in this thread will tell you it's liberal propaganda. That's only half true.
The type of Islam that infects this world is almost completely the product of Saudi Arabia. It is allowed to export its virulent form of Islam because it is an ally. But make no mistake, all Muslim problems we have can be traced back to Saudi Arabia.
Since you come to /pol/ you probably already know that secular middle eastern regimes (Sadam/Gadaffi) and Shia countries (Assad/Iran) are no where near as bad as our media try to tell us they are (or were anyway). They are hated only because Saudi Arabia hate them.
Fuck Saudi Arabia, seriously.
>>77870970
If it suits you, go right ahead.
>>77867068
Is that a movie by that atheist moron ridley scott who claims to hate religion yet keeps making religious movies?
>>77867491
This, my based North African boy.
Thanks God Americans are literally ending their existence now. Another 50 years and they will be under the extinct species category.
>>77870497
US Jews trading military might for oil. Print more Seymour! money money money.
>>77870970
Go talk to a priest about your problems
fucking sandniggers have always been animals ever since their quran was made.
Before that they were pretty much as animalistic as poo in loos.
>>77871131
>the type of Islam that infects this world is almost completely the product of Saudi Arabia. It is allowed to export its virulent form of Islam because it is an ally. But make no mistake, all Muslim problems we have can be traced back to Saudi Arabia.
>all Muslim problems we have can be traced back to Saudi Arabia.
This, fucking this, than you so fucking much
>>77868435
yeah sure tunfag. anything to get fucked in the ass by another bearded faggot right?
>>77867068
Occasionally they become non observant for a while. Like some of the Balkan ones now.
It doesn't last.
>>77867068
https://youtu.be/DhlvJ7jyYBg
Watch this video and see how "kind" they were. Literally ISIS tier.
>>77871131
>>77871317
Both of you are retarded and should probably consider suicide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhZe7eZK4dw
>>77870970
You will fucking die. Either by the hands of the far right, or by the hands of muslims who do not believe in your conversion.
I know Id' gut you with a fish knife for even considering joining Islam.
>>77871317
Surah 9:5?
>>77867068
You might want to check this out.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOFrB743PgE
>>77867180
It's true
I'm a Catholic and I took a 2 semester course of Islam as a general education credit, and all I learned is that it really is religion based on violence
Mohamed was a self proclaimed prophet who was mostly a warlord rallying villages and smiting anyone who opposed him
It tries to preach about love but in practice it's mostly about rooting out non Muslims and using woman as sex objects
>>77871544
Btw see the comments how the mudshit are proud of it and how the spanish cucks and europeans cuck try to defend this. People never change, the scum will always be scum.
>>77871131
The problem is that all Sunnis have little choice to go along with it. They get to pick one of four Fiqhs, they're all pretty close to the shit the Saudis are preaching.
Muslims often reform their way of life, but they rarely reform their doctrine ... so it keeps coming back to the same medieval shit.
>>77870970
If you can't see the reasons why not then I hope someone shoots you so they can finish your path properly.
>>77867068
No, Arabs on the other hand were very intelligent and excelled in science. But then Islam spread across the Middle East and North Africa and fucked the desert up.
>>77871669
>joins far right
>gets beheaded by muslims
>join muslims
>implying i get all that shit you just spout out on an anonmymous imageboard
gee whiz i wonder if i should listen to keyboard warriors thats too much of a pussy to show their fat acne ridden faces that thinks repeating digits is a sign of a wish come true
kys dude
>>77871706
Read the whole sura. And research the context.
>>77871641
Literally everything that guy says is because of Saudi Arabia. Before Saudi Arabia got influential Islam outside of the shit holes was a meme, like Christianity is in the west. The dominant philosophy was pan-Arab nationalism, not Islam at all. Saudi Arabia single handedly through funding groups like the Muslim Brotherhood and fundamentalist schools abroad caused a revival of fundamentalist Islam.
>>77871641
Woah shit niqqa you expect me to watch all that shit? Tldr or gtfo
>>77872170
>Literally everything that guy says is because of Saudi Arabia.
You're a goddamn retard, he hits it over your head that ISLAM is the problem. Nice try though, Muhammad. Maybe watch the brief and read the book.
>>77871131
Just because Saudis are the worst doesn't mean the rest of the muzzies are any better if they PRACTICE ISLAM
It is the cancer worse than christianity and about as bad as the jews.
The fucking book is written, it should be destroyed.
I never thought I'd actually want a book to be burned until now
>>77867068
literally everyone on Earth was this>>77867180 before the end of WW2
Muslims were powerful and garnered a certain respect among humanity of the past as they also possessed a modicum of care toward non-religious knowledge just as everyone else did. in the Middle East and Africa they developed in a way that no other culture did and promoted prosperity for niggers(nigger Africans were Muslim and all the meme kangs empires were thanks to Arabs, though ultimately when Arabs left all the black kingdoms collapsed as evidenced by today).
Muslims were too strong, so they remained barbaric instead of continuing the path of knowledge as all the weaker factions did(whites and Spaniards of Europe and Japan[China by this point was dealing with Mongolian recovery for hundreds of years already up until today and literally every other faction didn't matter and still don't])
this is why we hate them today. they are relics of humanity's past that won't fuck off, among Africa and parts of China and South America
>>77872245
>tl:dr
>Islam is a shit
>>77868585
My favorite story about Richard The Lionheart is when he killed all those Jews before departing for the Crusade.
>>77867068
>So, /pol/, was there ever a time when Muslims were a respectable people? I just watched Kingdom of Heaven and it left me wondering where all those kinds of Muslims went and where did the shit-stained mongoloid Muslims of today come from.
Kingdom of Heaven is postmodern, anti-Western bullshit.
1) Israel
2) American Imperialism
3) Wahabbism
4) Oil
5) Retarded British borders
6) Turks
7) Iranians
>>77870410
>medicine, literature, and maths, sociology, and a bunch of other shit
Anything good that came out of the middle east was from the Persians.
Islam was founded on warfare.
>>77872359
What is that picture trying to convey? schizophrenia or something? I can't geather anything intelligible from it
Give a reasonable argument or git
>>77869155
He's right, you're thinking of the Persians. Goddam Iran is bro tier
>>77872593
Some of them were Muslim Persians, others were North Africans, others were gulf Arabs
Do some research
Islam was founded by a literal pedophile. He fucked a 6 year old. No there was never a time they were respectable.
>>77872795
I've already pointed you to all the information you need, just because you go "ugh too much for my mental capacities to handle" doesn't mean I'm not giving a reasonable argument.
On the contrary, I don't have to argue anything because it's FACT Islam subverts and infiltrates to impose Sharia and justifies Jihad.
>>77870296
Entire purpose of the crusades was to secure the Christian/Jewish holy lands for pilgrims. The Knights Templar were basically armed escorts for pilgrims
>>77872795
Im assuming you are Tunisian ?
People in Morocco, Algeries, and Tunisia always say this, Islam is peace etc, The young non-jihadis say this aswell, Mohamed would never do that ! he wasnt a warlord !
Same as we christians in our countries say "crusades never happend bruh" converting people to christianity or death didnt happen either
Take the redpill
>>77867068
American, British and French interventions fucked the Middle East up.
>>77873026
The best these literal subhumans can defend that is to say "Oh no no no, she might have been 6 but he only fucked her when she turned 9."
>>77873128
You fucked yourselves up with your batshit insane religion. I'm fucking sick of you slimes trying to defend Islam on /pol/ of all places.
>>77873026
Wrong.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kkCafvuB-Vo
>>77873461
Indoniggers and Mudlaysians rarely cause problems for the world because they were left alone.
>>77873461
Islam is not insane at all.
>>77873076
Islam doesn't mean peace, it means submitting yourself to God. Which is the same thing in all religions
Also, all the waes Muhammed conducted was to defend his people against faggot pagans.
>>77871669
>>77872282
Thanks for the support.
Consideration is just that, consideration.
What exactly do i gain from people that gives me shit like this.
Where the fuck is the love?
>Got problems? Go fuck yourself.
Thanks
>>77873670
>waes
Wars*
>>77872282
Wrong reply but whatever.
>>77873670
Not the same at all. Christianity is much more voluntary in nature than Islam's "THIS IS HOW THINGS ARE, ACCEPT THEM"
>>77873670
PFffbahahahaha
Wrong answer, rather then wrong reply
oh well, see you soon ahmed, Got a warm bed for ya.
>>77873540
They aren't Islamic states and sort of resemble democracies. Islam itself is the problem.
>>77873656
>>77873670
>taking a Muslim's word on Islam when you can skip the middle man and go directly to written material made by Muslims, for Muslims
The only people you can fool are the dumb ass liberal progressive faggots that gobble up all of your bullshit.
>>77867068
Their religion comes from lucifer himself, they never had a chance to be respectable people.
>>77873656
Islam is not insane but is archaic as fuck to follow in Modern times.
Hudud, unable to touch dogs,death to infidels and eating pork are all outdated in the 21st century.
Islam needs to reform and the Quran revised.
>>77873796
I've noticed lately that there are two Norway shitposters. The one that defends islam. and the gay one
>>77873922
>Malaysia isn't an Islamic state
>sort of resemble democracies
>what is T*rkey
>what is Yemen
>what is Egypt
>>77874034
>I've noticed lately that there are two Norway shitposters.
I've noticed this as well. If I didn't know any better I'd assume he's some swine using a proxy but I'm not so sure.
>>77873846
That's exactly how Christianity and Judaism are though. All religions like this are cancer. If your religion demands worship, it is cancer. Period.
>>77874083
Yet they're all pledged member states in the OIC (literal Muslim Brotherhood)
>>77874179
Christianity provides reasons though
>>77874179
Christianity and Judaism don't demand conversion, why would they?
It's not like you can get your neck cut open for leaving either of the two.
>>77874226
So is Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei
>>77873990
You cannot revise the Quran and the current year is not an argument.
>>77873922
It's really pathetic that you keep these types of pictures in your hard drives and use them to "debate" people
Also, not an argument
>>77874127
It was bad enough with the Indonesian faggot trying to do his nightly Shitslam threads. Now we have a reincarnated bananafag and a dozen real shills.
>>77874312
I'm not saying they aren't, but Malaysia, Indonesia and Brunei all have their own problems like any other Islamic state would, because it's fucking Islam. At least Malaysia has some semblance of religious freedom, but there's no freedom from Jihad.
Don't kid yourself.
>>77869976
The Romans had no concept of Abrahamic religion at that time though.
>>77873990
Pork is bad for health, something something parasites.
Also islam doesn't hate dogs, it just says that they can't be kept inside the house because they're unclean (which is true because they drool alot and eat their poop and leave fur around the house)
>>77874397
Like I said again, I don't have to argue that Islam in and of itself is a terrible, backwards shitstain of a "religion." Especially when you're going to even read or watch what I'm posting.
>>77874576
Just listen to these people. Literal subhumans.
>>77867068
As with all nice things that are ruined you can blame the jews
>>77867068
Saladin died, and the ayyubids were replaced by the Mameluks
>>77873846
Sounds like you don't read your Bible fampai
http://www.alternet.org/30-most-violent-exhortations-bible-torah-and-quran
>>77874363
>Revision of an Archaic holy book to suit the conundrums of the modern era is Heresy!
>We should all be living in the 15th century and Globalization can only work if everyone is Sunni Muslim!
>Pork is still dirty meat!
>Can't touch dogs because of a fairy tale!
>Heretics and Infidels must pay Jizya tax, convert or be killed!
There's a limit to conservatism but holy fucking shit if Islam doesn't reform, every Muslim would be radical reactionaries and those who are """liberal""" or """moderate""" would be killed.
>using maymays to prove your point
ISHYGDDT
How does anyone sane defend or even worse follow such a disgusting religion?
>>77869921
I'm an international engineering student here in a uni, transferred from another uni in the UK, and in both unis, when writing a report or article, we can not use wikipedia as source because it is unreliable.
That is for the same reason as >>77868889 said.
I am, however, still not sure about the crusades, as I do come from a muslim background and I kept on reading stuff here on pol and it's made me question a lot of things. >>77868435 doesn't really help with the confusion.
>>77874713
I didn't say Christianity wasn't violent. Some denominations are, others aren't. Mine (Catholic) is more violent. Doesn't change the fact that it's still voluntary
>>77874428
>At least Malaysia has some semblance of religious freedom
Lmfao please tell me more about my region. Truly you are an expert in geopolitical and religious issues in Southeast Asia.
>>77874730
Globalization is a meme.
>>77874713
>Leviticus
>isn't even teached in Christianity anymore
Even so, Christianity and Catholicism when through reformations. Nobody teaches to cut the heads off apostates, nobody teaches that homosexuals should be killed, nobody teaches the blasphemer should be slain. Unlike Islam, punishments are given by God when your day of judgement comes.
>>77874363
>what is abborgation
>>77874784
How the fuck did pewresearch manage to question 1.5 billion people?
>>77875037
Not a revision of the Quran stupid leaf.
>>77867068
You're an idiot. The movie was pure propoganda. Saladin was going to slaughter every Christian in Jerusalem, by his own admission, except the frisson commander od tje xiry threatened to destroy every Muslim holy site and kill every Muslim inside the city.
>>77867068
This nigga here from the mummy movies
>>77875105
he was a badass
>>77875067
These countries hold a census of the current opinions of the peoples living in their countries. These "people" being muslims.
>>77875211
I'm guessing atleast.
>>77874830
"Everyone arrogant enough not to follow my word MUST be put down"
Dunno about u senpai but this sounds like it's compelling all Christians to go and kill heathens
>>77875211
No they don't.
>>77875067
>>77875078
Just fucking kill yourselves, honestly. You're wastes of resources, have a shit religion and you should feel bad.
>>77874921
Your region is a gay as fuck Muslim breeding ground, congratulations.
>>77875013
>Globalization is a meme
t. comes from an artificial state that fuels and endorses globalization through Qatar Airways, Oil and buying over football clubs.
>>77867068
Kingdom of heaven is a cuck movie
see
https://www.youtube.com/user/RealCrusadeHistory
>>77875248
No idea what you're referencing, Catholics have more than just the bible as authoritative.
>>77875295
That is just economics. Our culture is the same. Globalization is a meme because you want to turn everyone into Americans and complain when people say no.
>>77868585
>unlike richard, saladin was a man of honor
Saladin was a man of honor when it suited him, The chilvarly is a meme created by crusaders, amoured by some noble foreigner meme, and post saladin mythification of the man by muslims.
Do study how he rose into power, he was a very cunning and a brutal man at the levels of sociopathy.
A very similar case is El Cid, where a warlord who regularly switched sides and butchered muslims and christians alike, later on became an hero.
>>77875088
Meh he could have do that after they surrendered, but rather he did lowered the ransom again and again and again.
It was a PR move he had to legitimize his rule and moreover had to convince folk that he was BETTER. Crusaders killed you but I will not was just public relations as the man had no remorse in killing muslims (how he rose into power, how he supressed the rebellion in egypt etc)
A lot of the medieval characters were far less religious, far less virtious and far more pragmatic than people actually think.
>>77875248
>using Old Testament as evidence
>>77875290
>Southeast Asia
>Mudslime breeding ground
>literally only 3 states out of 10 are Mudslime majority
Please tell me more.
>>77867068
dictatorships, and Wahabbism, and the Muslim Brotherhood have sent them back to the stone ages.
>>77875290
Someone's sure mad
Also, Not an argument
>>77873960
This is the same argument used by muslims. That the jews and christians corrupted their books by adding random stuff into it, and as a result corrupted their lives. The whole point of Islam is that Muhammad is the last prophet, after all of the abrahamic prophets, and they have great respect for Jesus and Moses and about 144000 other prophets.
So how do you argue against that?
>Your religion has been corrupted by Lucifer himself. You were too weak to be respectable people
>>77869976
Rome always wanted to conquer Persia and Afghanistan and India, both to one-up Alexander and to control India, which is where they though their Chinese silk came from. It was the shitskin Arabs they didn't want.
>>77875013
You're a meme.
>>77875507
Thanks
>>77867068
>was there ever a time when Muslims were a respectable people?
no
>>77875425
>i-it's only 3 of the 10 states
>>77875458
>still believing somebody has to prove Islam sucks
>>77875351
You have to see it from my point of view. I have no problem with Muslims in my country the same way I have no problem with Christians and Jews.
Only difference is I learnt that Islam is fucking Archaic as fuck and should be revised for a more spiritual way of getting closer to God and at the same time living side by side and respecting other people's religion.
>>77875373
>Ho! But we don't follow it anymore! It's only for Jews!
Then why don't you remove it from the Bible?
>>77874034
I clicked on the wrong thread. which is why i wrote wrong reply.
I'm not defending anyone here.
>>77875366
>far less virtious and far more pragmatic
That's true
>far less religious
This, not so much.
If I recalled correct even during golden age of the Islamic rule, the only section that is golden is the main Mediterranean sea part of the old empire. One which the Arab does not rule bu the Turk and same with the Persian part.
Short answer why current Islamic world is shit:
Arab
>>77875600
Are Cucknadians really this fucking dumb?
Besides, Singapore refuses any refugees from Syria while your degenerate government welcome them with open arms.
Congratulations. Between both our countries, at least my country realizes the threat of Islamic radicalism and terrorism and has been clamping down on Mudslimes since the 90s.
>>77867068
The problem was Genghis Khan.
Before the Mongol invasions, Islam was split between hardcore theists and moderate scholars. The moderates lived in Baghdad and were obliterated by the Mongols. Islam hasn't recovered since.
>>77875627
You don't need to. Christianity doesn't double as a political system and it certainily doesn't dictate what is acceptable and what isn't. Sins are absolved by God, but Muslims act as the sword.
Sharia Law is for fags with no sense of personal freedom and freedom of thought.
>>77875790
>I have no problem with Islam
And I'm sure they have no problem with you either, buddy :^) Why don't you go take a nap? You sound cranky and tired.
>>77875841
You don't even know what Sharia means, so you?
I'll let you research that yourself
Fucking leaf
>>77875067
>what are sample sizes
>what is margin for error
>how does polls work hurr durr they didn't ask everyone how can they know what everyone thinks
Polling is a science, it's well established and has mathematical rules. At this point it is very accurate as long as you follow those rules, and Pew is one of the best. Their methodology is all included in the Global Attitudes Project on their website which preformed the largest and most professionally done poll of the Muslim world to date.
People hate these polls because they expose things about Islam that completely conflicts with the narrative put out by the left because in most of these Muslim nations there is incredibly high support for Sharia law, very high support for stoning for adultery, and very high support for the death sentence for leaving Islam to name a few. Like were talking 75-90 percent support for some of these things in nations with 100 million plus people. It's all been linked here thousands of times. I've had posts removed on reddit dozens of times that only included polling data while trying to redpill people. They hate it more than anything because Pew is apolitical and well respected, so they cant say "right wing think tank!!" etc. So the mods just delete it.
>>77875373
stupid fucking catlicks - the TEN COMMANDMENTS, you know, the one which we got our morality from is from THE OLD TESTAMENT. You can't just cherry pick the Bible cause you want to eat shrimp or worship idols or cannibalise Jesus or whatever the fuck you degenerates do.
(Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. - Matthew 5:17)
>>77876026
I have, moron.
So why don't you tell me what you think I should believe Sharia Law to be?
>>77875637
You probably are one of them so I don't care. I still hate Norway because of you fuckers
>>77875920
Literally not an argument.
>they have no problem with you either
They don't. The Singaporean government and our secret police made sure of that.
But look at Canada. A fucking joke. Reminder that if you kill your enemies, they win.
>>77876079
The Ten Commandments aren't carried out by human beings on human beings.
You are judged by God and God alone.
The Quran is the direct equivalent to the Ten Commandments, only Sharia Law prescribes ALL Muslims to defend their faith by carrying out the wishes of 9 year old fucker Muhammad.
>>77876115
Buddy, learn what Islam is before you go spouting off bullshit you don't understand.
>>77876030
i've had dozens of lefties reject it even from pew because they didn't want to believe it.
but i've also noticed moderators will delete that stuff even if its just link to those studies
>>77876079
You can't even interpret the Quran yourself, you have to go by the preconceived opinion of Muslim "scholars."
Literal dogshit tier religion.
>>77876289
Most Muslims don't actually know anything about their own religion, no surprise that all they can do is try to mock you
1. Saladin was a Kurd, not a Muslim. The only 'good' leader Muslims ever had wasn't even Muslim. kek.
2. The main character was pushing for multiculturalism. Nobody was like during the time. Everyone was xenophobic and hateful of other races.
3. Muslims were never 'just' rulers. If you mean pay the jizya or die, then sure, and often get persecuted by extremist muslims, yes. There was no 'golden age'. Their golden age was them conquering Christian and Byzantine lands and raiding and killing everyone else and putting Europe into the dark ages by stopping our trade ships to Eastern Europe and enslaving and attacking us. They also destroyed any texts from the library of Alexandria that didn't go along with their religion -etc.
>>77876217
You're supposed to defend Christianity too you cucked catlick leaf.
>>77874576
vaccums, dental health treats, and drool? really? grow a pair and deal with it. Also pork only has parasites if YOU DONT FUCKING COOK IT RIGHT. Modern society wasn't mean't for you mudshits. If you practice islam, then you are a natural problem. I have to admit though. You are good at bringing out the worst in others on purpose
>>77876030
Except that the "stone and cut people's hands" doesn't even exist in Sharia
Now I've got a little history lesson for ya
During the Muslim times, it stopped raining for a couple of years, so the agriculture basically , everyone gotad and started thieving each other, so this faggot caliph, had to take extreme measures, which were Sharia law you are talking about
In other words, the infamous "Sharia law" is not viable in modern society and was only created temporarily to fix Arabia during the food shortage.
>>77876393
With words and faith, not beheadings.
Try again. God doesn't want you acting on his behalf, his job is to judge us on our death day.
>>77876289
I live and interact with Mudslimes everyday you fucking idiot.
Malays aren't as radical and angry as Arabs and Pakis. Learn the fucking difference you tool.
>>77867068
>May 14, 1948
this is when muslims started hating the West, because the west supported land being stolen from the people and handed over to merchants.
>>77876504
>Except that the "stone and cut people's hands" doesn't even exist in Sharia
Top kek, don't go out lying about your own religion you slimy little worm. The entirety of the Islamic faith and ALL Islamic scholars agree with the punishments prescribed by the Quran and the Hadiths.
>>77876540
isn't there still plenty of terrorism in malaysia though?
>>77876540
Islam IS radical in its very nature you half-wit.
>>77876091
Sharia law is everything from prayers, to fasting, to all other tents of Islam,
it's not the "hurr cut a man's hand for stealing" stuff(which is bullshit btw)
>>77876407
What makes a religion fit for "modern" society.
Are Hinduism Buddhism or Christianity more rational
>>77876637
No no no, it's not terrorism it's Jihad. It's alright for them.
>>77876712
Christianity is fit for modern society because it's true
>>77876695
Then why do nearly all OIC states follow Sharia law and prescribe punishments laid out in the hadiths and Quran?
>Sharia Law doesn't just dictate killing you moron, it dictates my entire existence and the way I live my life
If that was supposed to be a point against me you just went the wrong way.
>>77876785
>because it's true
based on what?
>>77876407
Read more on health issues caused. By Pork (it's more than just parasites)
Even if you cook it properly
>>77875248
>probably googled "Bible" and found this. There are two Testaments, ya dingus, and you just fucked up big time because you were too lazy or ignorant to differentiate between the two.
>>77876349
I once had a guy start screaming it had to be a lie because "EGYPT IS SECULAR!" after I showed him the support for Sharia, death sentence for changing religion, stoning, cutting off hands for theft, etc in Egypt.
After you show them the stats most people on reddit usually argue sample size can't be representative, then after I show them how sample size and margin for error works they say that the people must have been afraid to answer honestly because they didn't want to say the truth on the street then I link them to the part in the Pew breakdown where it explains all questions were asked privately, in the persons own home, by researchers fluent in their language.
After that the mods usually just delete all the posts.
Just like the Obama administration announced today they will release the transcript of the Orlando shooters call to the news stations, but with all the references to Islam, jihad and ISIS removed and deleted;
>http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/06/19/lynch_partial_transcript_of_orlando_911_calls_will_have_references_to_isis_cut_out.html
>>77876954
The answers it provides.
It's the only religion that's both a religion and a philosophy
>>77876662
You gotta go back, Akmed.
>>77873497
nigger you're wrong, embrace it. Your dear prophet raped a 9 year old
>>77867491
Based Tunisia. I just finished learning how to make the crochet stitch that bears your country's name.
>>77876626
Wrong, we study this in sixth grade religion studies.
I'm surprised that this isn't common sense by now.
>>77877061
>I'm Akmed even though I'm against Islam
American education, ladies and gentlemen.
>>77877091
He doesn't have to embrace it in front of kaffirs, that's counter-productive to Islam.
>>77877037
Lie
Many religion have philosophical traditions
>>77876637
Tbqh the only terrorism I heard of in Southeast Asia is extrimist Buddhists
>>77867269
>This movie was before the bullshit attacks started happening in Europe though
Muslims have always been savages
>>77877165
Yeah, but they're deficient
>>77876842
Sharia law only dictates religious practices, Islam is not supposed to tell you how to live your life.
Nice reading comprehension
>>77877016
>e Pew breakdown where it explains all questions were asked privately, in the persons own home, by researchers fluent in their language.
can you link that?
Muslims btfo
>>77876712
I don't think any religion is tolerable sometimes but islam is the worst fucking one
>>77876993
doesn't change the fact that it won't kill you to eat it. Every kind of food has some possible health issue idiot. Not a fucking argument. Just an excuse to be a barbaric degenerate
>>77877122
>>77877191
The only way a Muslims can debate is just to say everything is wrong and just to straight out lie.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsArto3UVT0
>>77877313
Why are you even telling me this? I'm well aware of your disgusting religion, these MIDF tactics don't work on me. At all.
>>77877091
Wrong, read the thread, I debunked that in an earlier post
Islam in Persia when it had Persians was okay. Arabs took over and ruined everything, including the ol gene pool.
>>77877256
Ok
explain how the fuck the trinity is logical
>>77877448
>disagrees with Muslim scholars
That's haram. Muslims aren't allowed to interpret their own book.
>>77876504
>Except that the "stone and cut people's hands" doesn't even exist in Sharia
Stoning is in the hadiths, that's why it is part of Sharia;
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rajm
>stoning is mentioned in multiple hadiths[8] (reports claiming to quote what the prophet Muhammad said verbatim on various matters, which most Muslims and Islamic scholars consider an authoritative source second only to Quran as a source of religious law[9][10]) and therefore most Muslim and all Sunni and Shia schools of jurisprudence accept it as a prescribed punishment for adultery[2]
As for cutting off hands for theft, it's directly in the Koran and indisputably part of Sharia;
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudud
>Quranic verse 5:38
>As to the thief, male or female, cut off his or her hands: a punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime: and Allah is Exalted in power.
>>77870349
The UAE isn't a hotbed of terrorism because the princes rule with an iron fist, the only kind of rule muslims understand
only based muslim is a dead one
>>77877339
Your posting a pic of Saudi Arabian (see: wahabist pieces of shit)
>that video again
Didn't I tell you to give me tldr or gtfo?
>>77877339
muslims are just bearded sjws, only difference is the muzzies have bombs
>>77874428
There was never a terrorist bombing here tho.
>>77877566
You and your Saudi scholars cam succ my dick
Maliki sect master race
>>77877545
God the Father = The Logos, basically what deists conceive of as God
God the Son = the bridge through which the infinite God interacts with finite humans. Both are linked through God made human.
God the Holy Spirit = that which intervenes in the lives of everyday people
>>77877327
Sure;
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-appc/
>>77877667
>this is how a Muslim debates
>this is how a Muslim lies and bullshits about Sharia Law
>this is how a Muslim commits a haram act by lying about the Hadiths and the Quran itself
>this is how a Muslim ignores Muslim scholars, which is also haram
Thank Allah for Taqiya, am I right?
>>77877662
this
>>77877588
>rajm
Rajm is originally a ritual in the pilgrimage rajm-al-shaytaan (stoning satan)
>hudud
Read the earlier posts
>>77877743
every form of your cult is degenerate.
No true scotsmen fallacy you nigger
>>77877764
I'm not asking what they are
I'm asking how can they be the same person and not the same person at the same time
>>77877743
>tells Islamic scholars to suck his little wrinkle slug
Allah is going to slap the shit out of you so hard. I hope you're remembering to make it clear to Allah that you're only lying because you feel persecuted by the kaffirs.
>>77877855
oh yeah, best is when i link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QQ2QevndGLg
and they still make excuses because that's "only" a few hundred of them
>>77877667
>oh look it's this argument again
>>77877861
You're asking me to follow the teachings of a deffirent sect, you're aware of this, right?
Also, why the fuck do scholars even exist? The Quran is easy to interpret, we did that shit in first grade
>>77877995
I showed a bunch of liberal friends that video.
>t-they're just extremists
>Islam is peaceful!
>>77877964
That specifically is due to revelations we've received. But some pagans, like Plato, also conceived as God as being of three essences yet one
>>77877448
Nope, I saw that post, but if you had a brain you would see that no one is buying that shit.
>>77878115
Ok
whatever makes sense to you
>Also, why the fuck do scholars even exist? The Quran is easy to interpret, we did that shit in first grade
>Allahu Akbar, I once again apologize to you great and merciful Allah. Allahu Akbar. There is no god but Allah, and Muhammad (PBUH) is his messenger.
>>77867068
we decided to counterbalance soviet incursions into the region by providing arms and funding to ultra-conservative groups
Soviet Russia pulled out and now those groups are in control.
People think this means we need to accept refugees as repentance.
It's really dumb logic.
>>77877907
How is this a fallacy? It's a deffirent whole section of Islam there is no fallacy here
>>77878032
This guy has been lying the whole thread. The only facts he's used to back up what he is saying is "personal experience", not one proper source. Don't believe what he says, do the research for yourself.
>>77877991
Lol ok
>>77867068
>Muslims
>A wondrous people ever
If they had no respect for the Qur'an and didn't look up to Mohammad then they would stand a chance to be great.
>>77867491
>US made the middle east barbaric
Put down your 9 year old fuck boy and read some respectable unbiased history books. The middle east was culturally and technologically behind - always. On the occasion that it was better than the Europe of it's time, that's because Europe was a hell called the dark ages - It's not because the middle east was any better than usual. Islam has fucked up every country it takes over.
>>77878072
Making you all the less trustworthy.
Practicing islam makes you an enemy of humanity.
I don't want my kids around the ideology that murdered my best friend and continues to kill others
>>77877903
So you are just going to pretend that I didn't just give you direct links with dozens of references, many of them Islamic scholars, directly refuting what you just said including a direct quote from the Qur'an which is the basis for it in Sharia law.
Okay then.
Too bad for you this isn't reddit or the mods would just delete>>77877588
>>77878032
Those are shia pratices, and I'm Sunni not shia
>>77867068
> What happened to Islam
You can thank the Mongols.
>>77878418
>believing this postmodernist garbage
>>77878418
And the inbreeding. The Muslim world is never getting "fixed." Either contain it, or blow it the fuck up.
>>77878393
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twelver#Dissimulation_.28Taqiyya.29
http://tanzil.net/#16:106
You seriously can't fool anyone in the modern age. It's actually embarrassing to watch this.
>>77878393
>Those are shia pratices, and I'm Sunni not shia
Do you fuck goats
>>77876385
>1. Saladin was a Kurd, not a Muslim
Please tell me that this is a joke, that kurd is a race, not a religion.
What the fuck I'm mad now.
>>77878365
And I already told you to read the thread (your arguments have been answered by multiple people)
>>77878288
That's the same thing feminists and jews use to say "they're not the same as us! they're not fems or jews!"
You can't be trusted, EVER
>>77878319
I've done plenty. I'm sick of these people coming here with their anecdotal evidence, still pretending that islam is anything other than a death cult.
>>77878393
AGAIN LOGICAL FALLACY. You fucking mongrels will say anything to get us to trust you but your shit doesn't work anymore.
>>77878365
he's a muslim apologist, with his head up his ass. Don't bother debating with muslims. It ALWAYS goes something like this
>make claim about how islam is shit religion
>muslim dumbfuck: "islam is peace!111!"
>show fucking verses from Koran/Hadith literally advocating violence and barbarianism
>muslim dumbfuck:"No, not THAT islam"
its just a perpetual no true scotsman >>77878393
You can never get them to admit their religion is shit
>>77877061
>Islamic jihad til 1897
Nice taquiyya we all know that that shit didn't end in 1897 when its very clearly ongoing
>>77878560
It's the Kurds,m8
>>77878539
> Mongols sacked the Islamic world
> HERRR GUYS! THAT HAD NO IMPACT ON ISLAM!
>>77878566
No I fuck pigeons, does that count?
>>77878687
fucking this so hard.
I need a drink, I hate debating with muslim subhumans
>>77867068
I've heard that Saladin was actually a respectable and skilled leader who did have some commendations for his allies, though that of course didn't stop him from being a ruthless fighter that wanted to expand outward.
Islam itself was always barbaric, though. It's just they were once fairly scientific and advanced barbarians.
>>77876557
Islam has hated the west since its inception
Nice taquiyya Muhammud
>>77878743
30%-50% of Muslims world wide are inbred. The Muslim gene pool is fucked.
>>77867068
>I just watched Kingdom of Heaven and it left me wondering where all those kinds of Muslims went and where did the shit-stained mongoloid Muslims of today come from.
Muhammad.
Pagan Arabs were bros, had no prblems with christians and jews. Muhammad murdered them all or forced them to convert to Islam. Muslims have always been shitty bandits in the desert
>>77878801
>conveniently ignores my post >>77878563
It's been nice knowing you, Ahmed. Say hello to your pedophilic dicksucker of a prophet (piss be upon him.)
>>77878779
>muslims literally destroy the knowledge they have available to them (see the Library of Alexandria)
>hurr we'd be KANGZ and CALIFFS n shit if it weren't for dem MONGOLS
>>77878671
So you're telling me, if a sect of Christianity has something bad, I can use that to smear on deffirent sect of Christianity?
>>77867068
Saladin was only chill because he understood the West, and didn't hate it.
>>77879040
It's in the Quran, fuckface.
16:106
Kinda weird how you ignored this, huh? >>77878563
>>77879040
Tu Quoque logical fallacy. No one is talking about Christianity. Try again
>>77878924
I already told you I'm not a Shiite, just like you follow your own sect of Christianity, if illow my sect of islam
>>77869987
i'll disagree with a little of what you said there, they understand the quran a lot better now, they understand how to invade, infiltrate, lie and kill. Think about it, they do not fight in a field, they use immigration laws to get in and deal massive damage. Your own laws protect them. One armed 'militant' kills how many civilians? That is efficiency in warfare. Warfare has changed my friend, and bombing them to hell in their own country is literally pissing against the wind. We have been invading and the war is taking place on our soil, fighting isis on their land is a distraction.
>>77879182
>It's in the Quran
>Sunnis can also practice it
Did I mention it's in the Quran, which is the literal word of Allah? You're not going against the word of Allah, are you?
16:106
>>77878801
>No I fuck pigeons, does that count?
What's the point of sunni and shia?
Isn't sunni like 90%, and they hate Shia?
Shia is more peaceful, no?
The fuck is up with your religion, achmed?
Convert to Christianity please.
>>77875836
>moderates
>>77879275
It was a political difference between Muslims. Islam isn't just a religion.
>>77875651
islam is the problem my nationalist Chinese friend
>>77879146
Mate, that verse tells you to hide your faith/religion under persecution.
Did you even read it?
>>77879372
If kaffir are going against the Quran and calling you out on it that IS persecution considered by Islam and all Muslim scholars.
Can you just kill yourself so we can deal with one less of you pedophile sympathizers.
>>77879275
Shias are special snowflake hipsters that believe they are the true Muslims (but in the same times the worship idols which ruins the whole point of Islam lol)
No I'm not gonna convert to a religion that says earth is six thousand years old
>>77875351
RARE
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>>77879498
Nope persecution is when someone holds a weapon at your throat.
Being yelled at on the internet isn't persecution
>>77879538
>but I will follow a religion that says Muhammad went to Heaven on a winged horse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHvxiQbQ37I
>>77879040
don't change the subject. The fallacy meter is through the roof.
>>77879637
so by your logic omar mateen practiced persecution via islam at Pulse? good to know
>>77874827
Wait
Islam lets women fight?
>>77879637
Nope, there's a difference between persecution and somebody threatening you with murder.
>>77874484
No but they did know about Jews (and later its cuck cousin Christianity) Also Arabs were batshit crazy even before Islam which is why they didn't want to go there
>>77879834
Dictionary definitions say otherwise
>>77873960
And your religion comes from Jews. Possibly worse than lucifer
>>77880114
Just give the fuck up, honestly. We know and YOU know you're not fooling anybody.
>>77880114
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/persecution
>>77880114
>using the dictionary as an argument
>>77880149
Fuck off JIDF
>>77879783
"Miracles"
These thing can very well happen
We are so invested in biological science that we may genetically engineer winged horses, leaf
>>77880316
Top fucking kek.
>>77880204
There's really no reasoning with these animals.
They only understand lying and violence.
>>77880114
You sill haven't justified my friends death at your religions hands
>>77880204
>I couldn't find any rebuttal so I'll insult you
Ow
>>77880275
OK, dictionary definitions are wrong but yoy r right wing conspiracy theories are right
>>77880413
>You sill haven't justified my friends death at your religions hands
Religious extrimists which YOUR government has created and funded.
>>77880507
>uses the dictionary as an argument
>when it's used against him it's not an argument
>>77880605
When arguing, it's essential to define your terms. If you need the dictionary to do this, you've lost
>>77879372
>""""""persecution"""""""
This is the number 1 Islamic buzzword lie. Your definition of """"persecution""""" is looser than an 80 year old pussy
>>77880605
fallacy, your ideology is what THOSE EXTREMISTS FOLLOW. This is your religions fault no matter how much you try to lie
>>77880673
You don't understand what sarcasm is, do you?
>>77880696
>it's not okay to use dictionary terms
Wut
>>77880758
Wrong, that's why we had this whole thread, read it.
>>77880605
>spreading the most boilerplate pro Islam lies imaginable
>>77880413
>friends death
Shit mate I was away from this debate for a bit and didn't know it would get this deep my condolences for your loss
>>77880854
>I was just joshin bro
>>77880228
>>77880961
I have and the point still stands.
Your death cult killed my friend.
You are all liars and charlatans.
You stand on logical fallacies, strawmans, and tenets of deception.
You are everything I hate and the fact that you try to justify the death of someone I loved only makes me wish you were dead even more.
I truly hope I get the chance to kill one of you someday and we'll see how you feel.
You fucking piece of shit
>>77881315
Yeah i just read it, How does Oxford definition differ from my definition?
>>77881133
It's appreciated.
I shouldn't be getting this personal but these apologists upset me almost as much as the ideology itself.
>>77875627
The bible quite literally means "the library", there is a reason why it is comprised of books.
The bible is not one book, it's 66 seperate books that are divinewly inspired and need to be interpreted in their own way, the one you're quoting from was on the history of the jews and the laws they imposed on themselves, as christians we obey gods laws, and the laws of the land, not ancient tribal laws.
In other words, 10 commandments or bust, god will judge us, not men.
>>77881426
Because your a fuckoff sandnigger and it's the fucking Oxford dictionary.
>>77881324
>I refuse to read the thread and arguments and keep telling myself what I like
Good for you
My condolences for your loss however
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