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>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
>http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/VC.IHR.PSRC.P5
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
There is no sound argument as to why you would allow guns if you compare american homicide rates to european. The US is one of the most uncivilized countries regarding firearm related deaths among all first world countries.
>>76752035
Americans can protect themselves and you cannot.
>>76752302
Not an argument.
Homicide rates would skyrocket if we lost our guns. The only difference would be that the US government wouldn't report it because they'd be the ones doing it.
>america
>first world
>>76752379
you're right it's not an argument, it's a fact, americans can protect themselves, their property, and their family.
>>76752035
how do we ban guns
>muh need for defense
Maybe it is american's low IQ that leads to these high death rates?
>>76752035
Give a rest, Achmed.
Americans aren't going to disarm themselves just because black and hispanic gang bangers like to kill each other for sport.
>"Looking only to official criminal records, data over the past thirty years consistently show that the mythology of murderers as ordinary citizens does not hold true. Studies have found that approximately 75% of murderers have adult criminal records, and that murderers average a prior adult criminal career of six years, including four major adult felony arrests. These studies also found that when the murder occurred "[a]bout 11% of murder arrestees [were] actually on pre-trial release"--that is, they were awaiting trial for another offense."
>"The fact that only 75% of murderers have adult crime records should not be misunderstood as implying that the remaining 25% of murderers are non-criminals. The reason over half of those 25% of murderers don't have adult records is that they are juveniles. Thus, by definition they cannot have an adult criminal record."
http://www.guncite.com/gun_control_gcgvmurd.html
>>76752950
Calm down ham planet you don't want a stroke
The Second Amendment has no place in modern society. When America got organized as a country, they wrote a fairly radical Constitution with a radical Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom to the radical American masses. There’s too much personal freedom. When personal freedom’s being abused, the State, the only entity deserving of power, has to move to limit it. The National Guard fulfills the militia mentioned in the Second amendment. Citizens no longer need to protect the states or themselves.
>>76752035
>There is no sound argument as to why you would allow guns if you compare american homicide rates to european
Sure there is:
SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
>>76752035
Why is gun violence more important than any other kind of violence?
Be sure to compare ALL violent crimes per capita, regardless of the weapon used.
Then you can make the determination that most of Europe has more violent crime than then the US as a whole.
Also, immediately after Australia banned most firearms, there was a significant rise in violent crime.
When you think you might get shot, you tend to not rob someone.
>>76752035
Really makes you think...
>>76753126
>second amendament
That shit is 200 years old, it has no relevance at all in 2016. Americans need to update it.
we need guns in europe. america has a problem with guns because muh niggers and you are a faggot OP
>>76753064
Not an argument.
>>76752035
>be European
>get stabbed or bludgeoned to death
>>76753126
>t. Harper
Fuck off man, you're making us look like Californians.
>>76752379
Yes, it is.
Americans being salty and not making valid arguments like always
>>76753164
First two articles are on total homicide rate. Only the third article shows gun related rates.
>>76753325
He's right though. Second amendment is stupid.
>>76753209
>magna carta
>that shit is like 800 years old
>no place in modern society
This is how dumb you sound.
>>76753313
You are 5x more likely to get killed on american soil than in my home land.
>>76752788
No it got scrapped by fucking gypsies
>>76753126
So if I'm in a wheelchair and someone wants to rape me, what do I do?
Get raped? Are you saying handicapped people deserve rape?
By the time the cops show up, Jamal is already pulling his pants (not all the way) up. I'd rather just shoot him, thanks.
>>76753420
It's a lot less stupid than the one that gave women a right to vote and the one that created feral farm equipment.
>>76752035
I will never turn in my weapons if liberals want them they can pry them from my cold dead hands.
>>76753366
None of the statistics support banning guns. We've been loosening gun restrictions for decades now. The murder rate is half of what it used to be. Violent crime is nearing record lows. All while doubling the number of guns and making it easier than ever to carry them.
Of the 8,000 or so actual gun murders, 80% are gang related and overwhelmingly take place in places where democrats have banned guns.
Outside of the ghetto, America is safer than any place in Europe.
We're not banning guns. Get over it.
>>76753595
You shifted from guns to handicapped people to defend your stupid point somehow. Stupid american as always
There is no correlation between firearm ownership and violent crime. OP posts "intentional homicide rate" and "firearm death rate" next to each other to create the illusion that the two are connected, but this is not the case. Any cursory examination of the data will illustrate this. There is no statistical argument for gun control whatsoever.
Good so stay in Germany, nobody is holding a gun to your head(not that they could) and making you move here
>>76753554
And yet that doesn't bother me.
Let's play the which one of us gets to vote in America game. I'll give you two guesses. Ready, set, go!
>>76752035
Silly Hans. The only reason we need as Americans is the Second Amendment.
That's literally it.
"but muh children"
"muh mass shooting"
"muh suicides"
"muh gun murder"
Are all literally irrelevant because owning firearms is guaranteed by the second amendment. There is no sound argument agaisnt guns in America.
>>76753370
I'm not talking about homocide.
I'm talking about total violent crime. The prevalence of guns reduces the total amounts of violent crime. The banning of guns increases the amounts of violent crime.
Example: Australia, UK.
There's a town in Georgia that mandated each homeowner had a firearm. They have one of the lowest rates of crime in america.
Why do other countries care so much about what we do in america?
>just want my country to leave other countries alone
>other countries cling to every domestic policy with bated breath
Fix your own country before you worry about america.
Keep guns out law bombs?
Just globally. Let's have a habbening so you can finish your wank fest.
>>76753554
Give it a few years, those rapefugees will even out the numbers. Also, you have like 1000% more home invasions and burglaries per capita.
>>76752870
>muh low IQ
Maybe it is America's niggers that lead to these IQ rates?
>>76753719
This. Violent crime has been on the decline for decades. Gun crime too. Only an uninformed fool would say otherwise.
>>76753897
Maybe it's just Americans being stupid?
>>76753736
Not an argument. You'd be leaving the weak, unable, and disenfranchised to the wolves with no chance of personal safety.
>>76753719
Its funny because we are generally safer now more than ever but the media has people thinking that we are in constant danger.
>>76753811
>And yet that doesn't bother me.
I am not interested in an exchange of personal opinions.
>>76753857
I have a gun, I'm still a dumb cunt that doesn't understand stastical survival rates of a species doing nothing about exterior threats on a planet that also had the exact same event happen previously, yes pew pew a gun, you're all fucked anyway because you ignore the fact the banks is actually doing this, it's not a joke. They will just fuck off and you will die, and all you kin eventually. Yep awesome.
why do europeans care so much about what we do in our country?
stay obsessed you muslim rape magnet slimebags
>>76753990
You take the worst case to defend yourself like before. But that's never the case.
>>76752035
Guns are outlawed in your country. So mind your own business Merkle.
The US is not part of "we are all Brussels". Most of the US population wants nothing to do with massive international government bodies comprised of non-elected fuck heads.
So please fuck off. I don't want to ban your lederhosen.
>>76752035
>no sound argument
subjective
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.
>>76753126
You're right. I am now a #fuckingapoodlefortrudeau
>>76752035
No.
>>76754045
>we are safe
You can overdose on mcdonalds easily
>>76753201
Urbanization is a thing, you can't just look at this and say it doesn't help, there could be more factors at play.
America literally is eat shit and die, fast food and wars.
>>76752035
Kill yourself you fucking piece of shit.
Actually that would be an insult to shit.
>>76753325
>A FUCKING LEAF
still more American than anti constitution faggots
>>76754198
That's why it's Jew hq.
Israel is the overseas op.
>>76753554
0.0001%*5 =0<1
Answer my question, how would you enforce a ban on guns? How would you implement it?
>>76754257
Qualify as proper Jew in Israel, move to America. Dance at 9/11.
>>76752035
Liberty or death.
ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ
>>76752035
guns protect the first amendment you kike
>>76754346
Drones n tanks duh hehe
They just use Christians and Muslims in war and much prophets lol! That's why they are the only 2 with prophets.
>>76754067
Red herring.
>>76754122
Red herring.
>>76754124
Red Herring.
>>76754128
Ok, obviously I define a lower death rate to be better. Agreeing on this premise shows that america is worse compared to europe.
>>76754217
Ad hominem.
>>76754264
Red herring.
>>76754346
Emulate european gun law system.
>>76754424
Red herring.
>>76754346
They cant I could make guns in my back yard. Shit I could even make gunpowder and ammunition in a pinch. If guns were outlawed I would start immediate mass production just to supply people who were willing to resist.
>>76753126
>Bill of Rights, giving a radical amount of individual freedom
The right to bear arms was pre-existing in English law. The second amendment merely reaffirms its standing.
It's perfectly possible to repeal the second amendment. But first show me any instance of the crime rate being brought down by the passing of a restriction of gun freedom.
I usually get Australia as an example. If that's true, just point out to me on the graph where the law changed everything.
>>76754061
Then why make this thread that is about nothing but your opinion?
Woops, I dropped this fact here on accident. I sure hope nobody observes it and learns from it. That would be terrible.
>>76754346
by killing everyone on list starting with jews,nigers,sandniggers...
>>76753209
Oy Vey! Its the CURRENT YEAR!!!
>>76752035
can we ban subhuman krauts from posting so that they dont infect the rest of the world with their self loathing self hatred of their own race, country, and culture.
>>76754564
Quantifying empirical data is not a subjective opinion.
>>76753126
>such thing as too much personal freedom
>only state deserves power
>second amendment has no place in society
>citizens no longer need to protect themselves
trudeau? is that you buddy? better start putting out that fire with your african workers soon
>>76754488
Oh, so you just want to centralise guns in the hands of the obviously always benelovent government. ok kid.
>>76754071
Well, that's the point.
Nobody uses a gun in the best scenario. Inherently, there's a danger to yourself in order to use a gun.
The weak, old, women, and generally anyone that can't physically defend themselves benefit the most from owning a gun.
I'm not going to let you strawman a bunch of rednecks and gangbangers as gum owners.
>>76754488
there is no argument to be made, come and take them you eurotrash pile of shit, i dare you.
I cant fucking stand the American philosophy that a gun is a tool for defense. No it isn't. A shield is a tool for defense. A helmet is a tool for defense. A gun is designed specifically to deal fatal damage to a person. It's not a tool to incapacitate or disarm someone, it's made to kill. If you're worried about defending yourself carry a stun gun or a peppery spray. If you seriously think that everyone who commits a crime in which the victim might feel the need to defend themselves; petty theft, muggings, carjackings, should be executed on the spot then you're a disgusting human being. This is America's problem. Violence is so engrained into your culture that you can't even entertain the idea that a criminal is also a human being. Instead you opt to murder them. If you want to address crime, you fight it at its root. Systematic corruption, wealth inequality, racism. These things drive people to a life of crime. When you shoot a criminal dead you more than likely create another one.
>>76754727
*benevolent
>>76754706
Are you actually crying about people posting opinions here? Because I've been posting facts for a while now and you haven't said anything.
>>76754693
man a jew-paid-guy psot shit on /pol and you argue with him ...
>>76754722
Nice ad hominem faggot. Meanwhile you have no argument. Idiot
>>76754488
That isn't a red herring Hans. I have been to Germany, it is quite nice. I live in the US it is also quite nice.
Let's keep them separate. You live the way you see fit, and we will do the same.
Keep pushing the globalist bull crap and America will eventually BTFO the UN and you will truly be overrun by Turkroaches in a violent conflict. And we will not care.
>>76754706
>There is no sound argument as to why you would allow guns
This is your opinion.
>>76754834
There is no correlation between poverty and crime, friend. Your understanding of crime is faulty. I don't have the data on me, but look it up.
By the way: A shield and helmet will never protect you from a gun.
>>76754834
Offense is the best defense. You think the Secret Service should carry around shields?
>>76755002
>>76755018
You just proved his point retards.
>>76754834
Enjoy being raped by Muslims. You will never take my guns from me so long as there is life in my body. Gun ownership is a right self defense is a right and rights cannot be taken away.
>>76752035
>The US is one of the most uncivilized countries regarding firearm related deaths among all first world countries.
Then stay the fuck out faggot. Don't use American products, don't visit our websites, and mind your own shitty business. Enjoy sucking the cocks of your Muslim overlords.
>>76755106
Edgy
>>76754834
What if a criminal is holding me at gunpoint, what do I do? Should I have deployed my tactical riot shield and armor before going out in public or should I bring out my taser or pepper spray?
>>76752035
>2015+1
>still feeling guilty
poor germs
>>76753595
plz get me some article about some wheelchair getting raped
>>76752035
The U.S. does not have a problem.
We have a nigger problem.
Not black people, niggers.
I challenge you to find any crime-o-graph that tracks black perpetrator crime that does not directly correlate with gun violence. Take the statistics from any nation, state, county or city, take their violent/gun crime, then set it next to their proportion of black/brown people.
Black people from anywhere shoot other people, especially other black people, a LOT. Brown people from the Americas tend to stab more, while desert brown people shoot and explode more.
White folks, generally, got all the killing out of our systems a while ago, it seems. Few predominately white countries deal with gun violence and general fuckery as much as non-white countries. Look at Paris, as the black and brown rises, the shootings, rapes, and explosions get worse and worse.
They vent out from the shitholes they created because, hey, who wants to live in a shithole? The issue is, they are the same violent, stupid assholes they were back in wherever, so they shit up wherever else they are. Rinse, repeat, until everything is shot, burned, dead, or whatever.
Don't sell guns to black people, any of them, at all. Don't sell guns to brown people, any of them, ever. Watch gun crime take a fucking nosedive. It sounds racist because it is. Unfortunately, it's also true.
Wanna stop people being shot, don't argue with the fucking gun, stop the shitdick pulling the goddamn trigger. And that shitdick is, 75% of the time, a nigger. Sorry, there it is.
>>76755105
About his point that victims who risk death should risk it more in order to increase the safety of their attacker, it's just - what's the word.....
>>76754749
You obviously turn a blind eye to my arguments. I cannot force you to anything.
>>76754727
If the government doesn't become a militant tyranny (every european country) and data can show that fewer guns lead to a higher homicide rate than yes.
>>76754978
I don't care if america will change. My arguments state objective facts.
>>76754854
No, but the problem is that personal opinions have no weight.
>>76755168
Another red herring.
>>76755135
>Don't use American products
All your achievements belong to Jews
>don't visit our websites
4chan is a remake of 2ch, made by a Jap. 4chan has its servers in Germany.
>mind your own shitty business
Trying to ban opinions like a stupid fat loser
https://youtu.be/8Q1cw-vbScI?t=14m7s
lel
>>76754834
>systematic corruption, wealth inequality, racism
>implying it's not IQ and child abuse
>>76754834
It's a deterrent. The US states with the highest percentage of gun ownership have the lowest rate of gun related murder.
>>76755018
>>76755002
>>76755144
>>76755106
>>76755263
You can live today without the fear that you are in danger and need a gun to protect you. The United States has the strongest and most technologically advanced army and police force in the world. They will certainly be able to protect their citizens from any other threatening nations and terrorists. There is no one that you need to control or intimidate with a weapon. Hopefully America will finally pass common sense gun control laws. Supporters of the second amendment and its traditions continue to say it is necessary because we need to defend ourselves from the government. If the government becomes tyrannical it is the people’s duty to take it back. This was a very relevant cause when America was trying to run from King George’s overpowering governance. The founding fathers wanted to ensure their government does not take the form of the one they just escaped from. Today Americans do not need to fear the tyrannical rule of kings. In fact America has a government on the complete opposite side of the political spectrum as a peaceful, unbiased free democracy . Besides even if you were to attempt to attack the government out of bigotry, hate you would have no success. Your FN Smithson Weston assault gun is peanuts when your when fighting F35's, strykers and M2 Bradleys. The founding fathers certainly did not anticipate the types of weaponry accessible today. American society has evolved since the eighteenth century and it is time their gun laws reflected it.
>>76752035
I would ban them for people like OP
fyi Europe has a shitload of guns in private hands
>>76752408
>romania
>calling other countries third world
Live in house, gypo scum.
>>76755387
You can't ban blacks but you can ban guns to avoid that.
>>76755462
>filename
confirmed bait, this entire thread was an epic ruse.
good job everyone, give yourselves a pat on the back.
>>76755349
>My arguments state objective facts.
No they aren't. Nothing leftists like you espouse is objective fact. Its all about hating white people.
>>76755349
>if the government doesn't become a dicatorship
You mean like every government ever on earth, you dumb cuck? USA gov CANNOT disobey the democracy or they will be KILLED.
>>76755593
>whoever disagrees with me is b8
>logic
>america
This is why all Europeans think you're stupid.
>>76755512
You can deport them, so yes, you can ban blacks.
>>76754834
>Systematic corruption causes crime
>>76755462
>Trust the system to protect you
How do you manage this cognitive dissonance?
>>76755349
You don't care if we change. So this is just a SJW virtue signaling thread?
Ok Hans lil buddy. Yer a gud Boi. We all think you are a sweet compassionate person.
Pic for cuddles
>>76755349
Tell me more about the weight of personal opinions while completely ignoring all of the objective facts I've been posting. Then proceed to call out everyone except for those posting facts in an effort to delude yourself into thinking that you're arguing. You're like a chihuahua running around in a tiny pen, pretending that it's going on a walk.
>>76755261
http://wtkr.com/2015/12/24/disabled-man-robbed-by-two-armed-men-in-his-house-for-presents-and-cash/
http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=95129
http://www.timesofisrael.com/2-palestinians-suspected-of-raping-disabled-israeli-woman/
http://miami.cbslocal.com/video/10954291-police-mentally-handicapped-miami-beach-woman-raped/
It's like you're not even trying.
>>76755263
So Brady saves Reagan in an act of courage. and then becomes an anti gunner? kinda sad senpai
Making laws against something hurts people who follow them
Criminals don't give a fuck about laws
They'd just make a high powered knife launcher anyways
>>76755512
You can lynch them tho.
Can't lynch guns
>>76755748
All you said ITT was "HURR BLACKS DO THE KILLING" but you fail to understand that you can't get rid of blacks, therefore crime but you can get rid of guns.
>SHALL
>NOT
>BE
>INFRINGED
seems pretty clear to me
>>76755512
Reflect on this quote, mongrel.
>>76752035
Then we're at our military's mercy with no chance of fighting back if our country goes wacko. That's a terrible idea.
>>76755462
You do realize the 2nd amendment isn't to protect against criminals, right?
Nor is it for hunting.
America has the most powerful military in the world, so we need a powerful citizenry to protect ourselves from tyranny.
This is why the 2nd amendment was made.
>>76755902
And you have yet to explain why we should ban guns.
>>76754834
>if you want to address crime, you fight it at its root. Systematic corruption, wealth inequality, racism.
This is under progress since beginning of mankind. Until then I safely carry a Glock with me, because a shield won't safe my life in a CQC situation.
>When you shoot a criminal dead you more than likely create another one.
Absolutely disgusting opinion. As an act of self-defense everything appropriate is justified. Therefore if somebody is charging at me with a knife to go for my life I won't hesitate to draw my gun.
>>76755913
Try thinking before resorting to fairy tales. Deluded redneck
>>76755902
Of course. You focus only on the one graph that you think you can beat. You ignore all the other graphs because you're afraid that it will make you look bad. How pathetic. Stop shitting up the thread.
>>76755902
Its easier to get rid of blacks than guns.
>>76755357
Ugh a stinking Romanian. Please do not talk to me or any other of your American masters.
>>76756106
>Mark Twain
>fairy tales
What?
>>76752035
look at the numbers again and compare them without suicide by gun numbers in there. some1 is gonna off them self, gun or not they will find a way. numbers are fairly similar with that of uk knife, etc deaths
>>76756077
To lower the crime rates. It has worked in any country.
>the envy is real
>>76752035
Oh keep getting cucked by Muslims.
>>76752870
Hahaha yeah, it's not like a pop of 300 million+ has anything to do with it. And its obvious that most of these homicides are committed by minorities. What can we do with all these chimp outs?
>>76755462
Get fucked faggot
>>76755902
We would have to build the wall first. Many if not most guns used in crime are Asian made knock offs smuggled across border from Mexico.
Then we would have to raid the homes and comb the streets of the ghettos to collect those guns. This would be a 24/7 slaughter of good little Mike Browns getting blasted for resisting.
After all of that many gun owners might turn in their weapons.
>>76755758
none of those are wheelchair rape but the second one...but since the victim was mentally challenged i doubt she could have a gun anyway?
>>76756113
What is this image? I don't even have this on my hard drive. This isn't what I chose to post at all. The image I selected was more or less like this one. Weird.
>>76756032
It was made for the security of a free state, this includes security both from external threats, like invading armies, and internal threats, both from the government and petty criminals.
>>76752950
>>76753064
>>76753736
>>76753948
>>76754935
I fucking hate gypsies so much, replying to every comment about how it isn't an argument and when someone does present facts and sources he just takes a shit on the floor.
Germany should keep firearms registered with a weapon permit but legalize homemade energy weapons if you can mathematically demonstrate that you built one. This will keep unlicensed nuclear accelerators out of the hands of Alfa-Kevin, Abschaum-Mehmet, Unterschicht-Kai-Uwe and Wut-Sören.
>>76756286
Are you stupid? Read the whole thread moron, you can't do anything about minorities to lower crime rates but you can take guns away to lower crime rate.
I think it has more to do with the nigger rate than the gun rate
>>76756357
>could have a gun
>could
I think you mean "should", friend.
>>76756265
>American
>White
>Europeans
>Black
This is some real cognitive dissonance mate.
>>76756448
>but you can take guns away to lower crime rate.
>implying this is gonna disarm CRIMINALS
>>76756448
You can deport minorities. You have a tendency to ignore people that blow holes in your arguments.
>>76756206
It has not. Try again.
>>76755387
This is interesting, do you have a graph showing total homicide rates?
firearm related homicide rates: (per 100 000)
Whites in germany: 0.07
Whites in the US : 1.39
~20x higher risk to die to firearms. Another supporting argument for america being more uncivilized.
>>76755491
Red herring.
>>76755646
>Showing statistics is not objective
LMAOing @ your personal opinion
>>76755680
Define dictatorship. Maybe we have a miscommunication due to different semantics of that term?
>>76755743
Being interested in arguments =/= virtue signaling. I don't care if my country is more civilized than america. But it is a fact that we are (according to my premise stated before)
>>76755748
The fact that you try to defend personal opinions invalidates your incoherent post.
>>76755963
What are you talking about?
>>76756191
Total homicide rates for americans are higher.
>>76756272
Red herring.
>>76756286
>And its obvious that most of these homicides are committed by minorities
This is true relatively-speaking (>>76755387), but its higher than ours if we adjust for race (see the beginning of my post).
>>76756206
Give me one example of a country passing gun laws and the crime rate going down as a result.
Puerto Rico has tougher gun laws than the US, and they have a much higher crime rate than the US in general. It's not because it's full of Puerto Ricans, is it? I mean that would explain why people from PR are more likely to commit crime, but it doesn't fit in your narrative.
>>76756537
Everything in your picture is at least 100 years old. No relevance to what these guys said.
Average police response time in New Orleans was 79 minutes. National average is 11 minutes. When I lived 7 miles away from town it took them 30 minutes.
No fucking government agent can protect you in those time frames. Only you can.
>>76756448
>You can take away guns to lower crime rate
As evidenced by no data ever.
>>76756669
How to implement "gun control"?
>>76756631
You can't deport minorities idiot. I've told you to think instead of resorting to fairy tales. It's not 1800 anymore, you're not going to deport anyone.
>>76752035
Not sure if bait or merkel level retarded. Probably both.
Ohai, we have a lot of guns per capita, yet we don't have the same problems the USA has.
If you remove gang violence and niggers from the gun homicide statistics in the US we'd be tied with them. I think the Americans were sold a horribly defective product in the slave trade. They should just return it and demand a refund. That would take care of large chunk of the problem.
Every single thread we get americans wanking over your precious guns and every time you get BTFO by logic and reason. "hurr durr i'm skeeter and I need muh guns 'cuz my dick don't work too well"- that's what you sound like to me. Emasculated, insecure little cowards who need a deadly weapon by your side at all times to feel like you're in charge. Come to the 21st century already, there's no need for ANYONE to own a gun in a civilized society. It's not the wild west anymore.
>>76756669
Of course I do. It was the first thing I posted in your thread. Why did you ignore it? You don't seem to have any problem responding to literally every other post in the thread.
>>76753741
>>76756417
You're evidence is nothing but American propaganda for American sheep. Post all the fake sources, numbers, statistics you want. No one cares. No one will listen. Because we know the truth: that you firearm owners are nothing but the next terrorists waiting to happen and I can't wait when the government shots all of you terrorists down
>>76752035
suicide rate vs firearms
>>76756669
>Red herring.
Yeah keep telling yourself that as thousands/millions more come in.
>>76752035
we should outlaw homicide too!!!
oh wait...
>>76756669
>the fact that you try to defend your opinions invalidates your opinions
Nice Kafka Trial, asshole.
>>76756537
oh dont take me wrong, i dont care even if you give a gun to every single of your people, it's just that the wheelchair rape never really came to my mind as an excuse
>>76756265
Definitely this.
>>76756690
>Teddy Roosevelt and Gandhi shouldn't be considered because they're old
Are you suggesting that guns have changed too much since then, or something? How absurd. You probably don't know anything about guns to begin with.
I am one of the most dangerous people in California.
>>76756397
Sometime when you post at approximately the same time as someone else on 4chan, it switches your images. It's a known bug.
>>76756875
Yeah the moment you do try to take away our guns, the gun owners/shopkeepers are gonna riot.
>>76752035
Firearm-deaths vs firearms density in population
>>76756822
Checked and I like you Watch, you are a good guy.
>>76756144
>America not getting shit on by Israel, China or Saudi Arabia.
This picture reeks of cognitive dissonance and a superiority complex lad.
I am ashamed at how many fellow Americans are getting this buttchaped over obvious b8.
Congrats OP
>>76756900
>Kalashnikovs
USA has such shit guns they have to steal from Russia
>>76756669
please refute
>>76755296
A simple meme or lol will suffice, but I assure you that, while it's not the cleanest argument, there's no evidence to refute it.
>>76756690
>At least 100 years old
That's the current dalai lama on the far right.
>>76752035
were do we stop? banning knifes too? forks? sharp sticks? bicycle tire?
guns should be allowed everywhere.
>>76757029
Not guns, the way they're being used and the reasons they're being used. Society behaves differently. It's just a matter of time before your guns will go away, whether you like it or not.
>>76757116
Bin the Knife Britbong.
>>76752035
EU homicides through external force
1500 legal firearms deaths in 10 years. Incoldes suicides (60%+)
>>76753126
>No place in modern society
It does, though. It's proven that even a bunch of goat fuckers can fight back against the US Military's full force in Afghanistan and Iraq. In the event of the US declaring marshal law, we'd definitely be able to fight back. They wouldn't bomb American citizens, and they wouldn't have a fighting force because most of the military would defect in the first place. Ask a veteran what their political beliefs are.
>Radical
Because of radical tyrants, we wanted individual freedom.
>Too much personal freedom
Says who? You have no right to say someone else's freedom is too great. The state does not have the right as well. The only person who has the right to say they have too much freedom is the individual. And individuals have the freedom to move to somewhere with less personal freedom.
>National Guard
No. The National Guard is a federally sponsored, state funded militia. It does not cover the militia in the 2nd amendment. USC Title 10, I believe, ranks all able bodied male citizens as members of the militia.
>>76756967
Yeah, sure. I just hate hearing people use words like "allowed" and "could" when talking about guns. Like "Why do you think you should be allowed to own a gun?!" Since when was it a matter of me being allowed to own anything by anyone?
>>76756900
Why that amount? Are you planning a Militia? Tell me anon! My arsehole begs for answers.
>>76752035
If you exclude niggers , American homicide rates go down to Switzerland levels.
>>76757283
Red herring
>>76757297
Red herring
>>76757229
Explain in concrete terms what has changed.
>>76752035
US problems: Gun crime with illicit firearms.
You are a stupid piece of shit german. A huge stuipid piece of shit and I hope you die violently by the hand of some shitskins stabbing you to death.
Fukcing faggot.
>>76752035
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>>76757242
Reminder that Gun Control is a Great idea if you applied it to niggers.
If you put all firearm related deaths together in a single group. And ignore the fact that a large portion of it is actually self defense (not homicide.) then maybe you could have an accurate calculation of crime in America.
Also consider that police in other nations aren't well trained. Yet alone, share these statistics of crime in their countries. Who would you rather police your town? A veteran FBI agent... or Pajeet from Poopistan?
Yeah right (rolls eyes) there is less crime in those parts of the world. There are less *SOLVED* homicides in other countries therefor its less violent.
>>76755492
STFU SCUM
>>76756816
Because we can't deport 100,000,000 people, but we can take 300 million guns. The cognitive dissonance is staggering.
I guess when your country has already been taken over by Muslims you don't understand why you would need a gun. We're trying to prevent that, get it? Enjoy rahmadamadingdong or whatever.
>>76757385
I was genuinely explaining my thoughts in response to another person's opinion. How is that a "red herring"? Or are you accusing my compilation of formal statistics of being a "red herring"? Which is it, sophist?
>>76757415
Leaf my friend, we wish it was that simple.
>>76757486
>If you put all firearm related deaths together in a single group. And ignore the fact that a large portion of it is actually self defense (not homicide.) then maybe you could have an accurate calculation of crime in America.
That isn't true at all. Firearm homicide makes up less than 0.1% of all homicide.
>>76757502
A hand over is much cheaper than fighting in court for years and plane tickets. Big words don't make up for stupidity.
>>76757309
We been a militia since the beginning. Fuck off.
>>76756357
Yes, yes they can.
Only ex convicts have their rights taken.
Ignore California laws for this example.
>That assblasted gypsy who's replying to every american in this thread
>>76756411
Preaching to the choir, friend.
>>76756875
Waaaaah I'm a Syrian refugee who wants to invade America but I can't because of their stupid independence. Kill yourself Mohammed. Or come here.
>>76756873
>>76757272
Congrats you win this thread.
>>76756802
Emulate our political system in this regard.
>>76756928
Google is just 2 seconds away, famlam.
>>76756945
>Personal opinions have weight in debates about statistics.
Ayy.
>>76757131
>please refute something that has been brought up without any evidence
Yea I am going to refute it by not giving any evidence as well.
>>76756839
Total homicide rate of america is higher. It doesn't matter what weapon is used.
>>76757317
Whites in US : 1.39
Switzerland : 0.23
Not even close to the truth.
>>76757403
Ad hominem.
>>76757685
Just send them back the same way they came here, on a fuckin boat.
>>76757403
I thought aussies were good at bants.
This is just plain savagery. I like it.
>>76756931
sure bud
>>76752035
>wants to argue about guns
ARE YOU SURE YOU WANT TO ARGUE WITH ME
I DO HAVE A GUN AFTER ALL
>>76756822
you're a troll or retarded
>>76756830
>logic and reason
Sure buddy. This is really evident in your graphic.
>>76757385
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>>76753209
Sorry guys, but it seems that my cleaning lady stopped cleaning.
>>76757297
well its a fairly dangerous item, strictly designet to - well - kill stuff, so i dont think asking for some standards is insane
>>76753209
THE CURRENT YEAR!
>>76757486
Self-defense is still homicide.
All murders are homicides but not all homicides are murders.
>>76756537
FUCK TEDDY ROOSEVELT! Don't use that racist asshole as an example.
>>76757953
I said earlier you should think instead of resorting to fairy tales.
>>76756900
Average arsenal on /k/.
>>76757949
Ok, no evidence. So what is this
>>76757317
Are you saying that there is 0% correlation between race and violence? That the upswell in violence in every single location in direct proportion to the amount of brown/black people is just pure coincidence?
>>76758021
That burger looks pretty disgusting.
>>76756967
I was making the point that firearms benefit the infirm more than anyone else.
>>76757949
Why on earth do you rant about "personal opinions" while actively ignoring the statistics that I've presented to you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Do some reading. You need it.
>>76757949
>Emulate our political system
Would you like us to spread our asscheeks for the immigrant jew too? Maybe lube it up to make it easier for them to fit in, y'know to help them integrate. :^)
>>76757949
How are you going to take them, Fritz?
>>76752035
you must have the freedom to protect yourself and your community. an unarmed populace will be enslaved by an armed government, quit being stupid
>>76757844
oh i see, didnt know that. so even if you are psycothic you can buy a gun? just asking, i really dont know murican law
>>76758239
Your statistics are bullshit everyone thinks so
>>76757915
I was clarifying to you that the second amendment was written with criminals in mind as well as the government.
>>76752035
Fuck off guilt cuck
We need gun laws like burgers in the EU to protect our assholes
>>76755462
No you cannot. I have had 2 home invasions and one attempted car jacking in the past two years its very likely had I not had a gun I would be dead now.
>>76758087
THIS IS WHY WE BOMB MIDDLE EAST, SO YOU HAVE ENOUGH CLEANING LADIES. WHAT THE FUCK GERMANY? NO MORE PROTECT FROM RUSSIA OR POLAND FOR YOU.
>>76758120
>ID = JuE
>>76752035
You're a faggot. Get lost, you limp wristed, dickless bitch. The worst thing whites ever did to themselves was convince themselves that "muh disarmament" was somehow a good fucking idea.
>>76758460
You get lost small dicked loser
Most firearm deaths in USA are of niggers as a result of nigger violence. This helps curb nigger population growth and ease taxpayers' obligations to housing niggers in prisons. How can you argue against this?
>>76758104
That's different. When you use a word like "allowed" or "could", you're implying that the right to ownership is being given to you by the government above you. As though to say that you're "allowed" a chocolate bar or something. I'm not being "allowed" anything. I'm naturally procuring it of my own volition.
>>76758309
Yes, most states do have a rule about being involuntarily institutionalized and losing your rights though.
>>76758150
>fairy tales
We have much bigger boats now. I'm sure it's hard for you to imagine since you live in a poor shit-teir slav country.
>>76752035
>Make Guns Illegal
>Buy them illegally
>Start selling them to my fellow man (even criminals because I don't have to give them a background check; not like I care anyway)
>Guns are still in circulation
>Make bank
>Laugh at people like OP with naive ideas, and also thank him for making assholes like me rich.
So much for your plan there, OP.
>>76758319
>Official statistics about homicide presented next to official statistics about gun ownership
>bullshit
There isn't anything more I could do for you. You denounce factual data as "bullshit" for no reason. You refuse to learn.
>>76758509
>Butthurt gypsy
>>76758209
Stating that defending personal claims by stating personal claims is rigorous and sound is wrong.
>Cognitive_dissonance
Re-read my post and ask yourself that. Maybe you missed a very important message in my post?
>>76758353
Ad hominem
>>76758460
Ad hominem
>>76756830
Look at all those memes
That whole post is not an argument it's just insults
If your father would have taught you a thing about guns you would know they demand respect they are not a toy but they are not death machines no matter what you say or see they are not, your eyes are glazed over by the media and your own perception on guns you feel just because you don't need one Noone needs one
Not everyone lIves right next to a police station and even if you did you are still not safe even if you dialed before someone broke into your house
The world is not a safe place we are all lured into this ignorance that we are safe in our homes and in our cars because of the systems we have in place to prevent crime.
You need to take a step back and look what you are saying
Trust the government?
With all this shady shit that is happening right now?
Simply call the cops?
How well is that going to work for me when I only have seconds to react and the cop is a minuete away
The only person you can depend on is yourself you can not depend on someone else especially when it's your life
>>76758509
Enjoy never knowing the awesome feeling of having a perfectly legal, semi automatic handgun in your nightstand before you go to sleep. Find your nuts, and quit submitting yourself voluntarily to disarmament. It guarantees that you will be a cuck until the day you fucking die.
War on Drugs? Job well done, right?
Lets get the War on Guns started!
>>76758643
Learn what? That guns don't defend you but give you a fake confidence boost that makes up for your small dick?
>>76758689
You're going to take the firearms how?
>>76755105
The reason people don't attack secret service agents is because they know they are armed. You know the old the best defence is a good offence argument. Just because you might feel the need to pull a gun to defend yourself doesn't mean you have to shoot the person. If they stop threatening me I don't shoot. It happens far more often than not 99% of the time when someone legally pulls a gun in self defence nobody ends up dying. Civilians are five times less likely to shoot the wrong person in an attack.
>>76758689
First reply was meant for >>76758239
>>76756417
That's romanians for you. They are always going to shitpost how inferior you are compared to them and when you bring up a proper argument the just out meme you ,and later they lie (mostly themself) how the brought up valid arguments the memeing bozgors.
Or just going to bring up Trianon.
>>76758805
By emulating european gun control policies.
>>76758328
My apologies.
>>76758075
You're right, they are ridiculous excuses to own guns, but I'm not pro-gun myself. The arguments in the pic are simply supposed to illustrate how deluded gun weenies are.
That german is a leftibrainwashuniversity cuck. That's why he keeps writing "ad hominem".
Fuck this idiot. He is jerking off every time he writes "ad hominem".
He would lick his own asshole, like some cat if he could.
>>76758766
Cuck confirmed. If you really think that that's all gun ownership comes down to, then you should definitely drink a nice bleach cocktail and put your pathetic cuck genes right out of existence.
>>76758620
>HURR DURR LET'S MAKE DRUGS ILLEGAL SO NO ONE CAN BUY DRUGS
>NOW THAT THERE'S A LAW AGAINST BUYING DRUGS NOBODY WILL HAVE THEM
>>76755462
>You can live today without the fear that you are in danger and need a gun to protect you.
Can tell you have never lived anywhere near the suburbs or just haven't been to the US in general. Here in Illinois going to anywhere south of Chicago or the suburbs of Chicago without taking main streets or stopping for more than a minute or two is asking to get robbed. Hell, the suburb I live in is relatively peaceful and we constantly have robberies and burglaries.
>>76758689
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>>76758869
What about me, OP (>>76758620)? What happens when people like me decide to capitalize on the new black market that is formed? Maybe I'll land up selling a firearm to some Kraut who would kill your family with it, in a home invasion/burglary. Would I feel bad? No, I'd feel alright at the fact that I'm making money.
>>76758689
Ok, final question, how brown are you? Be honest now.
>next you'll say 'I was only pretending to be german!'
>>76758723
My father taught me about guns he also tough me to defend myself if necessary because by the time you call the cops you could easily already be dead. A gun is a tool nothing more if you are scared of them its on you. Taking the right of legal owner ship away will only disarm law abiding citizens and make them targets of criminal violence. If your father failed to teach you this then he wasn't much of a father.
>>76758548
fair enough
>>76758516
uhm you are questioning the words? sorry since english isnt my native language to me they look all similar but yeah im not talking about your human right to have something, but how this right would also endanger more people. Chocolate bars arent (usually) used as weapons, that's my point...gun have only a purpose, to deal damage to something, whatever it is.
>>76758934
You should drink water instead of soda
>>76758885
Helsinki pussy.
>>76758869
Good luck. We've yet to be 100% cucked like all of you. Now go get your wife ready for Ahmed's cultural enrichment.
>>76758869
How will you take the guns? Who will physically confiscate them?
>>76758689
>>76758809
You're the one who's missing important messages. I've shown that there's correlation between firearm ownership and violent crime. The burden of proof is on you. If you can't refute my data then fuck off.
>>76758869
That is impossible. The only reason EU can have such strict gun policies is because all of the guns were consolidated after the war.
America has guns EVERYWHERE. You could implement the most strict gun policies nation wide and it will do absolutely nothing. No one will willingly give up their guns.
>>76758994
You would be making money, but you would also contribute to the homicide rate.
>>76758994
Red herring
>>76759002
Ad hominem
>>76759037
Your father was a faggot
>>76759113
Ad hominem
>>76758766
If that's the message you see from factual comparisons of crime statistics, then I think you need therapy.
>>76758952
I know, right? Good thing there isn't a Heroin or Meth epidemic in this country since that shit is illegal.
>>76759059
Bleach tastes better than both from what I hear. You should give it a whirl.
>>76752035
I saw a thread earlier about a 17 year old Norweigen girl who defended herself from a rapist with pepper spray and is getting charged for it. Fuck that. If a pack of muzzies start some shit over here I can simply shoot them in the face and be justified in doing so. Same with dindus or mexicans.
>>76758620
op btfo
Guncucks aren't real men, since they need the gun to do the fighting for them. I assume this is what the average gun owner probably looks like(which also indirectly explains murrikan obesity problems: guns -> fatness).
>>76759295
>>76759299
You keep posting quotes that are over 100 years old addressing an issue that takes place right now.
>>76758869
Americans aren't going to just roll over and turn them in.
Maybe you guys should worry about cleaning up your own shit.
>>76759295
that quote doesnt support your point at all because no one is talking about a fear of guns you underage closet case
>>76759143
They wont. Any attempt to confiscate guns or outlaw them will result in massive civil unrest. The local sheriff where I live has already come out and stated outright he would not enforce a law banning gun ownership or confiscate guns.
>>76758514
Cause shut the fuck up, that's how.
>>76759045
I really am questioning the choice of words. I didn't realize that English isn't your first language. There's an implicit suggestion with the word "allowed". It's implying that you're given permission by someone. I don't agree with that implication at all.
>>76759188
I encourage you to re-read my post again as I am pretty sure you are missing my message to you.
>>76759214
>>76759441
Emulating implies having the same state of society as well the same state of politics.
>>76759308
I know, right?
After the Federal Government did such a good job in their first war against inanimate objects, the second war against even more inanimate objects is surely going to go even better!
I can't wait to live in my drug-free, gun-free society!
>>76759396
Cool story, Achmed.
>>76759254
Ad hominem? More like add some more brown dick to your wife's pussy. You do understand that if someone is using a gun to defend themselves they are being attacked? Do you care more for the life and well being of the attacker that of the victim? Cuck logic, I will never understand it.
>>76759412
>Thomas Sowell
>over 100 years old
Wew.
>Confirmed for ignorant gypo faggot
>>76759254
Nice retort speaks to your character and intellect. Obvious troll is obvious.
>>76759575
More ad hominem. Get lost fat loser
>>76759542
American society will never be as cucked as Europe.
While you were sitting on the internet whining about America, we repealed some more gun laws.
>>76759254
>>76759002 (You)
>Ad hominem
>>76759037
>Your father was a faggot
Oh my christ that's fantastic, keep posting you beautiful gypsy bastard, i'm willing to bet you see zero issue whatsoever there.
>>76759443
I was suggesting that he has a fear of guns in the post that you're responding to. Perhaps your autism was getting in the way of understanding that. Don't worry, buddy, I'm a kind man. I'll give you another chance to take a stab at me. Could you please start by attacking the formal data that I've presented? Nobody in this thread has bothered.
>>76759211
We're ganna build a wall and keep you out too gesepe
>>76759625
>anything that disagrees with me is a troll
>gun owner logic
>>76752035
How about you compare all violent crimes with any kind of weapon per capita instead of this biased faggotry.
>>76759412
Ok. We'll send all the niggers in the US, and all the muslim arabs in Western Europe to Romania. Then we'll see how much you want to own guns.
>>76759542
If there's a message that I've missed, then tell me. If you cannot, then don't expect me to know.
When are you going to face the facts? I'm tired of seeing you use mental gymnastics to pretend as though nobody has refuted you.
>>76759542
>same state of society as well the same state of politics
What does that even mean? You have such a small number of guns in your country because a giant fucking war was fought in it. It was then occupied by multiple foreign nations. By the time the gun control policies came into effect, there were barely any guns to confiscate.
Confiscation of guns in America is an impossible feat. Attempting it would shatter this nation like no other.
>>76759728
giuseppe*
Look at missing persons flyers. Those are non-gun related homicides. Actually they'll never be considered murdered unless a body is found.
And yet we're supposed to believe in the myth of socialist utopias with little to no *REPORTED* instances of crime in these countries.
>>76759746
Has nothing to do with what I said.
>>76759412
Take my guns wadda yang ganna dew bout muh ass salt roc
>>76759647
You just dodged my question, accused me of ad hominem and the committed it yourself. Sad. Answer the questions.
You do understand that if someone is using a gun to defend themselves they are being attacked?
Do you care more for the life and well being of the attacker that of the victim?
>>76759734
You are obviously retarded or trolling. I will never give up my right to carry a firearm nor under any circumstances will I comply with any law requiring me to disarm. If you want to be defenseless that's on you I plan to survive and defend myself like always.
>>76759903
You'd know how to spell that wouldn't you eurocuck
Thanks for the fun
- [r9k]
>>76760041
>I will never give up my right to carry a firearm
now that's what I call edgy
https://youtu.be/_XZvMwcluEg
>>76752035
the world can afford to lose a few yuppies.
fuck you
guns are great.
>>76760038
We can tell you don't live anywhere near feral niggers.
So how is it living in daddy's multi-million dollar home in a gated community?
>>76759254
How about this argument? When do the gun grabbers stop? What restrictions will be sufficient? How many western countries that have enacted strong gun control still have unrestricted laws on self defence? Why does most of europe have restrictions on the use of non lethal weapons like pepper spray? What is so dangerous about air rifles that they must be so heavily regulated? There is a percentage of the population that has an abject fear of weapons and will never be satisfied in the pursuit of banning them from legal ownership. In america we call these people liberal faggots. On 4chan we call the (you) and OP. Furthermore there is an even more subversive group willing to capitalise on these people to expand the power and dominion of big government. We call these people Jews.
>>76759412
Ah, a Romanian inserting his opinion on American quotations and values. Someone who will never understand our culture and ways of life is attempting to interject his own irrelevant opinion in our ways of life. Also, founding fathers anticipated automatic firearms. Google "Pickle Gun".
>>76759554
I know, right! Remember prohibition? Fuck me, my anonymous friend. We were so smart to ban alcohol in this country (almost) 100 years ago. Now nobody is kissed by the deviant lips of alcoholism, in this great and glorious alcohol free country.
>>76760154
You're welcome, I guess. But you seriously need to up your bants game. An aussie in charge of this thread would have us steaming and shooting each other in rage.
This thread was just mild.
>>76760185
>this cucked you are okay with not having a level playing field or the upper hand if your life is ever threatened
>>76760256
I'm defending our right to own guns you dumb fuck. Now go buy one and kill yourself.
>>76759412
ITS THE CURRENT YEAR!
>>76760185
Nope its a statement of fact. I am so glad I don't live in your pussy nation.
>>76760269
This is pretty true
You have to be fucking 18 to buy plastic knives
Fuck me dude if I was that cucked I'd want to revolt
Ohave wait no guns so you can't lmao
>>76759728
kek illiterate faggot im in another continent you can rest easy
>>76759965
I thought Gypsies liked freedom. Why are you so afraid to be free? The math suggests that gun control laws have no measurable effect.
>>76760575
When are you planning to be enslaved by the Turks again I want to laugh about it when they brutalize your people, rape your women, and conscript your children. I'm going to make popcorn and watch as you try to throw rocks at them and they shoot you down
>>76760256
Replied to the wrong guy, bud.
>>76757415
Well Memed Sir
>>76756900
Beautiful.
