>tfw realising deism is true
>tfw realising Gods are just metaphors for the values a society holds
>tfw realising the west will stay cucked until it shakes off the shakels of christianity and return to a nature based warrior religion exclusive to their race and culture
Christianity is a religion made for women and that worships a god which is a woman
>>73550417
Deism is all fine and good, but i prefer to remember the face of my father.
Also
>why the fuck would they cast a black man to play a guy whose religion revolves around remembering the face of your father?
>>73550417
t. Abdullah Muhhamed bin Akbar al Salim
>>73550417
you don't even know what deism means you absolute moron
Worship a foreign god, adopt foreign values and people
>>73550814
I do
>>73550724
>>73550814
Hispanic Catholics I bound as usual
You animals are as bad as Arab Muslims
>>73550693
new testament women cant speak in church. google it
women cant have short hair google it
god is described as a man with skin like polished bronze and hair like wool in the bible. old testament
>>73550417
I think you may be thinking of Cosmotheism.
>>73550832
>Zues
>White
>>73551130
No I mean you don't have to believe in the jew God, who told pope francis to bring refugees to europe to fight global warmimg, to believe in a deity in whatever sense
>>73550417
I think your view of Christianity may be a bit skewed, brother.
>>73551604
No it's not and I read more than half of those
>>73551739
Which half? All of them are vital.
>>73551604
Christianity was a cult that just happened to be in the right place at the right time.
It caught on because it allowed women and slaves to participate in prayer more than the other religions of the time did. Women then convinced weak willed men to convert and the sheer number of slaves gave them strength.
Instead of helping rebuild the Roman Empire. It instead decided to aid in its destruction. Including the burning of the library of Alexandria and many other areas of non Christian knowledge.
>>73550717
I was a big Stephen king fan but now I'm done with that faggot. I knew he was left wing but he's taken it too far.
>>73551018
>hair like wool
White as wool, not nappy like a nigger.
>>73551848
Bible, Mere Christianity, Descent of the Dove, Borthers Karamasov. Not half I admit but "An exorcist tells his story doesn't seem very important
neopaganism is as cancerous as any religion
>>73551604
>recommending the summa
holy shit dude whoever made this is fucking dumb, the summa is way too fucking dense for a layman to get through
>>73550417
Hello Brother
>>73551848
>All of them are vital
This one is even MORE vital. And totally refutes anything on your list.
>>73552166
Give it a read. Even if it doesn't convince you, it will at least give you something to think about.
Why do Christians and other folowers of the Abrahamic faiths get so absolutely assblasted when others follow different religions? It's strangely unique just how angry they get when you don't agree with their religion.
>>73552552
The dumb ones among, this includes you. Always think there's just some little piece of information missing from people. And that if they found it they'd convert
>at least give you somthing to think about.
This is exactly what I mean. The idea of God you put faith in is so incredibly simple.
The fact you think someone needs to read many many books to grasp it, fills me with a sickening feeling. It disgusts me.
Anyone who put enough time and thought into it, could create a book equal or superior to the bible
RISE.
>>73552974
>the dumb ones among ***you***, this includes you...
>>73552820
Because they are religions which were specifically made for women, those who feel wronged, and the extremely dumb. The Jews changed it to actually benefit them. But they're all still horrible. The Christian idea of the garden/heaven on earth is such a pitiful one
>>73553362
I don't remember claiming it would magically convert him, only that it would give him something to think about.
>>73550693
Yeah, that's why original sin is all women's fault.
>>73553583
Looking at the indents on a particular pebble could give me somthing to think about.
Christianity is an inherently flawed religion
>>73553889
fine... have it your way.
>>73553697
So your idea of heaven on earth is a place where
>you don't compete
>you don't question
>you don't build or advance
>you don't have children
>you just sit around all day
???
>>73551018
>god is described as a man with skin like polished bronze and hair like wool in the bible. old testament
WE
>>73552038
God is Aryan Master Race
>>73550417
It's true, cousin.
HAIL THE HORNED ONE, ORIGINAL GOD OF OUR EUROPEAN PEOPLE
>>73554058
WUZ
>>73553944
>muh book burning
When did I say I was a nazi?
besides that, what does that even prove? How is that at all relevant to what we're talking about? Is that really all you've got?
Jesus Christ you are one dense brick
>>73550417
The west already rejected Christianity, and embraced atheism and nihilism which is what has ultimately cucked the west. A return to Christianity and Christian values is the only way to make the west great again, not with your barbaric heathen idols.
>>73550832
A god named Pele?
Mithras is the real deal gents
>>73554415
Not an argument.
>>73554525
If people only think there is this life and no punishment for their actions, they are going to be the worst degenerates possible.
Evolution is just a Jewish trick like Marxism.
>Better buy that Harley now Goy, or you'll never have it, after all, that's what loans are for.
>>73554036
Not my idea.
But in that situation it's like being an animal or something, you don't know any different, so it really isn't bad or anything.
I'm just saying that Christianity is very much not a feminist religion. Under strict Christianity women should sit at home, keep house and shit out babies. Most pagan religions have more roles for women than that.
>>73554770
You're right and I agree with you on that.
I just think it's a bit too easy for it to slip into what we see today. It's rules need to be a bit stricter. Not like islams, but enough so that it doesn't get feminized like it has (in America at least)
>>73550417
I know the Christian God exists
>>73554717
I'm all for putting the fear of God in people. They need to fear and/or be shamed by somthing. But do you really believe:::
>Evolution is just a Jewish trick
>>73554927
That's why we just ban women from voting and send all foreigners home. If you're skin's not White, better take flight!
If women start bitching at us like they did last time we'll distance ourselves for a while, going to the gym 5 days a week and Juicing 7. We'll do the most rigorous weightlifting and strength training exercising, maybe even mixing in some road work and hitting the bag. Then, after about two months of non-stop training and gains, we'll go up to the continually shrieking cunts and with all our might, back hand them, even charge it up for like 5 seconds.
>>73550417
>his government runs a program to help shitskins meet with German women
>every religion thread on /pol/ made by Germans makes it more clear why this is the case
>>73554770
It understands Gender roles Read Ephesians 5:22-33
>>73554717
Evolution isn't Jewish, however neo-Darwinian theory is flawed in few ways. But Christianity is an expansion to Judaism, which stems from Canaanite paganism. Essentially Europeans have been cucked into believing in the Jewish deity Yahweh (The Warrior God), and told that they're original culture and deities were demonic. The idea that Christianity is going to save European culture is hilarious seeing as how the religion killed off European culture over a thousand years ago.
People would stop being degenerates if there was an authoritative, objective basis for morality that is protected by the state. No country in the West has that, seeing as how the institutions of science have replaced the old institutions of theocracy.
Example: Don't believe in neo-darwinian evolution in its entirety? Heretic.
Believe in spirituality and God/the Gods? Crazy Zealot.
Dialectical Materialism has fucked this world big time. We are balls deep in the Kali Yuga.
>>73550417
>return to a nature based warrior religion exclusive to their race and culture
Enjoy never advancing or leaving the woods.
>>73555514
>neo-Darwinian theory is flawed in few ways.
How so?
>>73555514
Darwin was a Kike.
Little known fact.
I ain't never seen a fossil or a frog turn into a bird.
>>73555890
are you serious or bait
>>73552820
>Why do Christians and other folowers of the Abrahamic faiths get so absolutely assblasted when others follow different religions?
because those "different religions" either divide our front against the threat of Islamic expansion or seek to claim the society and civilization created by Christian men and then white-wash Christianity from the picture as if this system spontaneously arose on it's own.
I think you'd be a little annoyed too if someone tried to take credit for your work.
>>73555999
Some cultures just cant seem to live together, maybe God, at the tower of babel confused more than just language?
>>73555993
Finches evolve into other types of Finches.
That is the only observable fact.
Otherwise a Jew points to an obviously fake dinosaur "fossil" in your textbooks and calls it education.
Dude I thought you were Redpilled Man.
>>73550417
The Christian Church is the only organization that has ever effectively suppressed jewish influence you stupid german cuck. your entire country is full of cucks because you abandoned the church and you're getting what you deserve, your bullshit neopaganism won't save you.
>>73555715
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium
Basically if this theory, "Punctuated Equilibrium" is true, then there's a huge problem because this theory presupposes that there are singular morphologies possible in certain species which destroys the entire foundation of evolution. Latimeria for example is a species of fish that remained the same form with no changes for over 100 million years. That theory was to explain that problem, but ends up creating another one. And then there is ATP and the idea that a cell can evolve ATP (which gives cells their energy) without having it in the first place.
I don't know, maybe someone can explain this shit better. But I do know that the universe had to have come from an immaterial force.
>>73550832
>Tyr
>having two hands
>>73556332
I am i just thought the way you said it was an absurd way of putting it, you know like the crocoduck
>>73555999
Triple trips, but you're full of shit. Roman Catholicism is the true wolf in shitposting cahoots deus vult fiki fiki.
>>73555514
>But Christianity is an expansion to Judaism, which stems from Canaanite paganism. Essentially Europeans have been cucked into believing in the Jewish deity Yahweh (The Warrior God), and told that they're original culture and deities were demonic
>Jewish deity
Ludicrous.
You acknowledge that Judaism stems from Canaanite paganism but where does Canaanite paganism come from? The Canaanites were nobodies who were influenced by their stronger neighbors.The flood legend of the Bible goes back to at least the Sumerians, who were neither Jewish nor Semitic.
These things are far older than Jews and in all likelihood share the same roots as the European culture that the religion supposedly killed off "over a thousand years ago".
>>73556412
>Just cuck my religion up senpai
>>73556575
What I mean is that evolution over thousands of years is impossible to prove, it's a simple Jewish lie.
>>73556723
I don't remember saying anything about Roman Catholicism....
>>73551604
>Toma din Aquino
I knew it's the fucking shitskins that spread the Christcuck cancer on here.
>>73551604
>KJV
lol
>>73556814
all i know is God created the world, how long it took and wether he used some process is his to know, unless we discover it, but im cool with the young earth model
>tfw realising the west will stay cucked until it shakes off the shakels of christianity and return to a nature based warrior religion exclusive to their race and culture
We should all run around and butt fuck each other in the forest. We just need to revitalize Christianity
>>73556915
/Pol/ is a christian board guy with an absurd world view, leave
>>73557015
Some good old reformed theology
>>73556814
>>73556332
>>73555890
People like you should be exterminated.
Christianity is better than Islam because it's more compatible with science.
You and those like you wish to turn Christianity into a replica of Islam.
>>73556957
>but im cool with the young earth model
See>>73557208
>>73550417
http://pastebin.com/xMQ9wAwW
God is true. Mans ways aren't.
>>73557208
Is the Bible your ultimate Authority?
>>73555376
You mean the government of which pastor's daughter Angela Merkel, head of the Christian Democratic Union, is currently the chancellor?
>>73557552
>it's Christian if the label says so, goy!
>>73550417
>>tfw realising deism is true
did you just realise that hans after being jewed into it for decades
>>73556412
>The Christian Church is the only organization that has ever effectively suppressed jewish influence
>effectively
Give me the power the church had at its peak and Jews wouldn't be an issue nowadays.
All Christianity has produced is failure. We're in shit times, we'd be stupid to go back to something that failed.
>>73551990
Women aren't even allowed to speak in the church you dolt.
1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
Christianity is very explicit when it states that women are to be subservient to men,
Ephesians 22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything
Women are to submit to men in everything, so says The Lord. Your vile pagan fetishes give women far more power than true Christianity ever would, even elevating them to the level of deity.
>>73556780
>These things are far older than Jews and in all likelihood share the same roots as the European culture
[Citation Needed]
>>73557068
/pol/ is a politically incorrect board. Nice try subverting it though, you honorary kikes.
>>73554770
Part of the reason that Christianity has so few rules for women is that half the book is devoted to Paul who hated women (might have been gay) and even says it is better to never marry and never reproduce.
In the 50% non-Paul books women are given virtually no role. Mary for instance has no speaking lines we know virtually nothing about her character except for that she objected to Jesus's ministry (to which Jesus said something like "you're not my real family"). Other women are few and have even less roles.
Women have a much larger role in the old testament although it's still pretty sparse.
Pagan religions had female divinities to discuss the roles of women. Women are often associated with life or nature representing child-birth, they are also often wraithful Goddesses such as Kali to represent the a mother's ability to be harsh. (also the whole Harmony of Opposites thing where life and death are two halves of the same)
>>73551018
>god is described as a man with skin like polished bronze and hair like wool in the bible. old testament
Wrong if we we would see god's true form we would get destroyed
>>73555999
The Abrahamics all more or less say "our way is the truth, fuck you if you believe anything else". A lot of other faiths either don't claim exclusivity and/or are inclusive of other faiths.
>>73557624
>it's not Christian if I don't agree with it
No true Scotsman somewhere else, Pablo.
>>73556812
>Implying I'm a filthy Catholic
>Implying we haven't rejected these Roman degenerates and their ways for centuries
>>73557933
Is a Somali a Scotsman if he calls himself one?
>>73557842
You know the christian God exist, but you suppress him in your unrighteousness.
>>73558005
Nope. How are they not Christian? Every major church does similar shit.
Or is your speshul snoeflake one the one true church? If so, it should be obvious why - go and convince the big ones.
>>73558080
>You know the christian God exist,
No, I don't know that. Is it time again for your retardation circle wank?
Christianity is an alien religion bottom-line. You can talk all you want about the great scientific discoveries and achievements that Christian men have accomplished in the past, but it doesn't change the fact that European men and women were brutally forced into accepting Yahweh, a foreign god, as their savior. Not even an Odinist or whatever, just telling the truth that people don't like to hear.
Also, the idea of Christianity being used to repel Islam is quite funny, seeing as how the religions are both Abrahamic and have a lot in common with eachother. Christianity is feminized beyond belief, just look at evangelicals in America who would sacrifice their children in the name of Israel (le greatest ally and holy land)
>>73558142
They don't follow even basic Christian principles. No surprise Merkel comes from a Gestapo East Germany background
>12016 year of Holocene Era
>believing in sky daddies
Shiggy diggy
>>73558299
>They don't follow even basic Christian principles.
Like "love thy neighbor" (they promoted that refugee shit with Nachbarschaftshilfe), or "help the poor"?
What about the parabel of the sheep and the goats in Matthews that basically condemns you to eternity in hell if you don't help "least of these brothers and sisters of mine"?
>>73558193
Lets break this circle once and for all, if i could give you evidence for the Christian Gods existence, would you worship him?
>>73558465
"Your neighbour" means your actual neighbour, not some abstract political experiment.
>>73552974
>Anyone who put enough time and thought into it, could create a book equal or superior to the bible
then create it , a book bought by billions surely is worth someones time
>The dumb ones among, this includes you. Always think there's just some little piece of information missing from people
agree with that no matter what a atheist tells a christfag he wont convert
>>73550417
Why contradict yourself with that last line? Yes, God is a metaphor some people take literally. But it's a functional system that instills important moral values within society and disassociates people from hedonistic, immoral behavior.
>>73557866
>A lot of other faiths either don't claim exclusivity and/or are inclusive of other faiths.
and how many of those faiths went on to create empires that dominate the world?
Intolerance is a virtue, it builds strength.
>>73558983
I know God exists!
>>73558635
>Who is my neighbor
The Parable of the Samaritan answers that question.
WHO IS MY NEIGHBOR?
http://www.christianlibrary.org/authors/Grady_Scott/neighbor.htm
Then Jesus turned the question on the lawyer. "So which of these three do you think was neighbor to him who fell among the thieves?" (verse 36) The lawyer was forced to admit, "He who showed mercy on him." Jesus then said, "Go and do likewise." (verse 37).
Sometimes we get so involved in "religion" that we forget that we have an obligation toward others. The whole essence of religion, James tells us, is to show compassion on those hurting and keep morally pure (James 1:27). Who is my neighbor? Any person who is hurting. Any person in need. Anyone who needs the saving news of salvation. Jesus tells us that if we love and show compassion on only those who are our friends we really are not doing what God desires. "For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so?" (Matthew 5:46-47)
Do you know someone who is hurting in their soul? Try to help them with healing. Do you know someone who is hungry? Do what you can to feed them. Do you know someone who is outside of Christ and lost? Show them the saving message of salvation. Remember, every human being in need is our neighbor. Do you love your neighbor? (Matthew 19:19).
>>73558983
You humans. So full of yourself. You are awake, over a minuscule amount of time, and are so arrogant to think you have it figured out.
Make no mistake, you will meet our Lord soon enough.
>>73554525
show any proof that this cucking is chrisfags fault, no you have no argument , a few decades atheism fucked shit up, rather the christfags held control for 1400 years
>>73559150
I hope he's a merciful lord in that case. He made me after all. I'll answer for my sins and receive any punishment rightfully given to me.
>>73559150
>you will meet our Lord soon enough
>soon
>S
>O
>O
>N
Here is that word again.
>>73558570
>if i could give you evidence for the Christian Gods existence, would you worship him?
Sure. Go ahead.
>>73554058
>>god is described as a man with skin like polished bronze and hair like wool in the bible. old testament
cmon bro i dont even like christianity and i know thats in revelation not OT
>>73559078
If that is your bar for it, only a few.
>>73559272
I don't have to show you anything nigger. Christianity was doomed from the start.
>Humble thyself
>Kneel before the Lord
>Turn the other cheek
>The meek shall inherit the Earth
>Taking this slave morality shit literally
Might as well worship Lord Kek.
>>73559420
so how could i logically or scientifically explain the existence of God to you. What would it take to prove that God exists on your own standards?
>>73559078
>Intolerance is a virtue, it builds strength.
So that's why Westboro is the largest, fastest growing church in America.
>>73559496
Christianity is a religion of slaves used to more easily control slaves...It is absolutely mind boggling to me how blacks especially dont see this.
>>73550417
I'm not sure who is a bigger retard, you or leftists.
>>73550417
The first two? I don't know...
The second half of the last one?
>return to a nature based warrior religion exclusive to their race and culture
Yeah, I can get behind that one.
>>73559784
So what does being non-Christian free you to do besides masturbate or something else that's pathetic?
>>73559585
I take it that you can't provide evidence for the Christian God's existence and try to win this with sophistry. Anything else? Because even for the standard you've set in our previous conversations I'm disappointed now.
>>73559585
>You can't therefore God doesn't exist! XDXD /meme
People who look will find an answer. AN answer, maybe not THE answer. But THE answer is unimportant, it's what your answer does for you and your morally-upstanding life.
>>73559273
You are on the right track. It is the desire of our Lord for all men to return to Him. Repent of your sins, abhor evil and love the Lord your God with all of your heart, mind and soul.
We will celebrate together when His Kingdom ascends, and we take our place as Repairers Of The Breach.
>>73559934
Thanks bro. At the very least I appreciate that Christian attitude.
>>73551018
>god is described as a man with skin like polished bronze and hair like wool in the bible
So christians DO worship a nigger. Topkek
>>73554256
GODS
>>73559891
Its kinda hard to prove to someone something they already know,
logic presuposes truth, and truth presupposes God, but unless you can admit you have absolute certainty of anything, your would view is absurd.
>>73550717
>remember the face of my father
please don't remind me of that cringe worthy shit
>HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN THE FACE OF YOUR FATHER?!?!?!?!!
every fucking page
>>73560025
so you want to Go to hell then?
>>73559496
see now this is no argument. It is right in your eye and still you are to blind
>mfw all these shilling attempts by JIDF on this board
>>73560025
The Lord wants to give you the desires of your heart. Judge yourself worthy of the gift of eternal life!
>>73560130
>I take it that you can't provide evidence for the Christian God's existence and try to win this with sophistry.
The fact alone that you switched from evidence to proof speaks volumes.
Like I said, I'm surprisingly disappointed. You're even reverting to your usual truth dunce we went over 4 times already without you being able to provide sufficient answers.
>>73559863
0/10 Either that or you are genuinely a retard...Which is it? Poor troll attempt, or mentally challenged?
>>73560310
Ill help you. Start with Ivan Panin. See how far the rabbit hole goes...
Remember, keep it secret, keep it safe.
>>73550832
truly a brilliant argument :^)
>>73560310
Can your world view account for absolute truth?
>>73560404
You being a vague faggot and telling me I should read over 20 books is pretty pathetic.
Are go going to tell me to "just google it, gawd it's literally 2016" next?
>>73560209
Here is the classic Christian Jewry.
>Do you consider yourself a good person?
>Yes? Do you [insert normal Human actions]?
>You do? You sound like an awful person.
>Do you agree? You do.
>Do you want to be a good person? You do.
>Do you know how loves you despite you being a horrible human being?
>Jesus
>Did you know Jesus died for you despite never having meet you?
>Doesn't he sound like a good person? He did that for you despite you being literally Hitler.
>Why are such a bad person when Jesus loves you?
>Emotionally gullible apatheist: "I love you Jesus. I want to be a good person."
>You don't want to go to church every Sunday?
>Why do you hate God? (ala God's Not Dead)
>You fail to believe in God
>So you want to go to hell?
>You don't pray.
>So you want to masturbate to hentai lady boys while listening to Mein Kampf on audio cassette tape?
>>73556332
And they keep printing the "ontogony recapitulates philogeny" lies of Haeckel in school books in America. A guy that had his credentials revoked for endless lies supporting Darwinian evolution.
Allahu Akbar
>>73560658
If you don't want to learn, don't be surprised when you end up with stupid opinions
>>73560489
>"I take it that you can't provide evidence for the Christian God's existence and try to win this with sophistry."
>Can your world view account for absolute truth?
No it can't. And neither can yours without circular logic.
>>73560658
Well, seeing how I cant send you any files retard, what do you propose? Should i just type out 200 pages of proof?
Take your inadequacy-ridden corpse and go get validation somewhere else :^)
>>73556549
Tyr lost his hand, he wasn't born without one.
>>73556812
>catholic cuck pope = all of christianity and christians
>Wat?
>>73560800
If your opinion is smart you'd be able to defend it without sending people on a quest to read over 20 books by some Russian that lived almost 2 millennia after the relevant events of your faith happened.
>>73560816
>Should i just type out 200 pages of proof?
You evidently don't even manage one post, I doubt you could type out 200 pages.
>>73560808
is that an absolutely true statement?
>>73557775
>christianity
>failed
>>73559496
Found the fedora tipper
>>73560971
>is that an absolutely true statement?
No, it's a relatively true one unless you go and provide how you can know absolute truth without having to rely on circular logic.
Which, considering that your whole basis is "I know because God revealed it", is going to happen like it happened the last 4 times.
How do you know it was the Christian god that revealed it to you and not Satan or Allah or Brahma or you yourself? :^)
>>73560967
If you weren't stupid you'd know that some concepts take time to explain
>>73560967
>give me prooofs
>lol faggot dont make me read
>>73560995
Yes, it did. The jews are in power and the mudshits hold over half of the land that used to be under European hegemony.
>>73561126
I suppose you think mathematics is relative truth?
>>73561126
You cant say anything about what im gonna say or anything about my world view, and it is the Christian God
>>73550417
>tfw realising the west will stay cucked until it shakes off the shakels of christianity and return to a nature based scientific religion exclusive to their race and culture
ftfy
transhumanism > *
>>73550417
>>tfw realising deism is true
Yeah, scary shit, the universe is alive and the more you understand this the more your life feels like a chthonic novel.
>>tfw realising Gods are just metaphors for the values a society holds
Yes, more or less, polytheism is about recognising traits or values or virtues commonly associated with gods and allowing them to manifest within worshipers of specific gods. It's actually kind of shallow against monotheism.
BSG is your best source for understanding polytheism as a westerner, since few Indians in the west take Hinduism seriously and most of them are crypto-monotheistic Brahmins anyway. The Brahmin caste has basically all the teachings that are important to monotheism and they never rate one god above another.
BTW, watch BSG with subtitles, the apotheosis stuff is deliberately subtle. Only doctor who makes it so obvious it's kind of obnoxious.
>>tfw realising the west will stay cucked until it shakes off the shakels of christianity and return to a nature based warrior religion exclusive to their race and culture
No.
Becoming a warlike culture again would be regression, or degeneration. No thank you.
The west needs revelation, unfortunately its already there out in the world of information, and the message just isn't getting through. We are as much part of the universe as the universe is part of us, we are it and it is us. We are all humans with a similar agenda, with similar reactions to stimuli.
Basically, we are all the one true God together. Search within yourself for this truth.
>>73550693
Perhaps it simply took a woman to cut through the war glorification and realise it's shit? Maybe only a woman could clearly see how universal pacifism would make life better?
Women, especially Scandinavian women, were of course the first to convert. To get their mentality or "why" I guess, watch a few Iben Thranholm videos. Yes, she's a sophist, but it gives you the right impression.
>>73561258
I love you in a christian brother way right now
>>73561165
>I can give you evidence that the Christian god exists
>you can find it in one of the over 20 books of this Russian that lived almost 2000 years after Jesus
All it shows is that you can't defend your own opinion. It's sad, but that's Christians for you.
>>73561136
I'm sure you can make a tl;dr if the evidence is obvious and you've understood it truly.
friendly reminder that christianity is an inclusive, meek and cuck religion from the middle east, that brings a slave morality for people who want to be conquered
go pagan, even if its atheist pagan (yes it is a thing) or go home, fight for your people and your race
>>73561334
Romans1:18-22 pagan, what do you have against the God who you know exists
>>73561352
All who believe are my brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers. Do not worry brother, occupy the Kingdom until His return.
>>73560691
They did so until 2002 i think while it was a confirmed hoax for 100 years. their defense is they did not have anything better
Time for /pol/ to see Symbols of an Alien Sky.
Heaven was literally close to the Earth.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7EAlTcZFwY
>>73561258
>I suppose you think mathematics is relative truth?
Mathematics are just a tool we humans created to understand the world.
If you can mathematically prove god, why don't you do it?
>>73561276
>You cant say anything about what im gonna say or anything about my world view, and it is the Christian God
Why don't you answer my question then? :^)
>>73561498
Are you familiar with presuppositional apolagetics
>>73561471
Islam says we're all born muslim. Who's saying the truth now? :^)
>>73561246
>jooz in power
Yeah sure they are behind everything even you
>lost territor
Yes but if it wasnt for christianity more european territory would have been lost
>>73561602
Ive shattered your world view, you cant know anything to be true, why should i argue with you, you know God exists, the fact that you contradict your worldview trying to debate me, shows you know Romans 1:18-22
>>73561709
Are you a muslim?
>>73561602
Ill mention Ivan Panin once more. Math is not relative. one object added with another object is two objects. There is no disputing that. Your "just a tool" allows us to communicate right now, over vasts distances IMPOSSIBLE without math. And not just any math, the CORRECT ABSOLUTE math.
By the way, Ivan Panin was an atheist.
>>73561713
>"jooz"
Dropped.
>>73561400
Stop being lazy
>>73561799
>Ive shattered your world view,
You haven't.
>you cant know anything to be true
Well yeah, I said that here already: >>73560808
Why do you never answer my question?
>How do you know it was the Christian god that revealed it to you and not Satan or Allah or Brahma or you yourself? :^)
>>73561833
>Are you a muslim?
No, I'm not. But why aren't you?
>>73561855
>Ill mention Ivan Panin once more.
And I'll mention once more that if you have to rely on >20 books of this guy to prove your point, instead of proving it yourself, your point has to be either pretty shitty or you're too stupid to do it yourself.
>>73561934
>I'm the one who's sending you to read entire books instead of defending my point myself
>but you have to stop being lazy
Kek
>>73561986
Yes he has. :^)
See >>73559585
>logic presuposes truth, and truth presupposes God, but unless you can admit you have absolute certainty of anything, your would view is absurd.
BTFO
>>73562114
All I have to do is claim I do have absolute certainly, like he does, and then say something that contradicts him.
Let's do it, for shits and giggles: God just revealed himself to me and told me you're all wrong. This is the truth.
Now what?
>>73561986
>How i know
Romans 1:18-22
>>73562312
A cat is a cat-like creature.
Is what you do every time you reference the bible as proof of what it says. You are literally using the word in the definition of the word.
Therefore, you are either Trolling or a complete moron to think you can use as evidence anything that comes out of that book as evidence that it is true.So which is it? Are you trolling, or are you a moron?
>>73562312
We already went over that, according to Islam you're a muslim.
Which one's right now?
>>73562111
Again, your own self-hatred has consumed you. You want proof of God, validation on an image board. Do you not see what you have become?
Do you really think it does not take half a lifetime to discover what you greedily want in a few sentences? I will not toil for you.
As long as you live, you have a chance to make the path straight. Just remember, that pain that keeps you up and night, the sinking feeling you get thinking about evil things in your life.. can be vanquished.
The Comforter will make you whole again. All you have to do is believe. You dont have to join a church, you dont have to tell anyone.
Ill prove it. After you step away from your computer, go into your room, shut the door. Ask Jesus to come to you. Ask him for comfort. The key is, you have to believe he is listening.
I promise you will feel something.
>>73562505
Evidence presupposesproof,proof presuposes truth, and truth presuposes God. but unless you can admit you have absolute certainty of anything, your would view is absurd.
>>73562518
Are you a Muslim?
ITT: people who haven't done philosophy, ever
>>73562505
>are you a moron?
He's a protestant.
>>73562580
>The key is, you have to believe
There goes your absolute truth out of the window.
>>73562694
>Are you a muslim?
No, I'm not. But why aren't you?
Remember when I said something about retarded circle wank? :^)
>>73562793
what are you trying to prove maan
>>73562659
I can, and I do.
Next question?
>>73562787
Reformed Christian (calvinist to be exact) are you born again?
>>73562793
I owe you nothing. You owe nothing. And nothing is what you will become. You have judged yourself nothing.
>>73562872
>what are you trying to prove maan
That he's talking out of his ass.
>>73562793
I will debate with a muslim about his world view, but unless you are one, i wont debate you over the truth of islam.
>>73562939
>talking out of ass intensifies
>>73562945
is that an absolutely true statement?
>>73561539
I kind of like this.
It's almost like a hint from the universe that at one stage in your personal existence you were all of those things. I feel this is the time the nature of rebirth becomes obvious, what you are is an actor, or a cosmic mask, and what's important are your reactions, both mental and physical. That's what makes you a real person. But someone with the same body (genetics) as you as well sad all the knowledge you have will react in a similar if not superior manner. By the law of probability, there will be beings born with similar DNA to you, with similar levels of hormones and chemicals, and if knowledge itself is worshipped/treated as sacred (which it is amongst people who take the 18th century enlightenment seriously), this future being knows everything you know and more.
This is the true nature of rebirth. The anti Christ is a deliberate mistranslation. Anti does not mean against in this case, it means many, because there is the potential for many humans to have similar bodies to Jesus and reading the Gospel ensures you have his beliefs.
As per the prophecy, I have proven that Jesus has risen, resurrected and has come again.
>>73561471
That's totally a misquote.
I only believe in one God, it's the laws of universe as its mind and all the matter within it is its body. If it seems I have something against it, that's untrue, I simply think the challenges this world has given me I was expected to fail at. I think God would rather I struggle than become a decadent atheist, which I feel unfair. All the atheists in my life are so successful and seemingly lucky, in fact the one atheist I know who became Christian later became less happy and less lucky the more she believed.
These are our truths, take them or leave them. I began my religion on an anonymous image board for a reason: our religion will be without prophets or leaders. We are the many, we are the prophecy of the legion.
>>73562778
Maybe because this is a theology thread?
>>73563012
You're missing the point. I was using that Islam example to prove that your argument doesn't inherently work and without you being able to tell which one is right, you or the muslim, you talking about absolute truth is retarded.
All I want you is to be consistent, lad. I wouldn't give you shit in every thread you show up when you would just leave it be at "just believe" - because that's your entire foundation.
>>73561855
youre right that mathematics isnt relative, but it is conceptual. there can be no "absolute" measurements conducted on physical objects, (see Mandelbrocht's work on fractal geometry), therefore we must apply arbitrary approximations to everything that can be measured. We stop measuring when we get tired of doing it or when our instruments will no longer discern the scale. as a result, even our most advanced mathematics can only show us what is "roughly" true or what is partially true, as there is nothing that intrinsically makes the number 2 for instance or a particular measurement the reflection of material reality apart from our own acceptance that it is in fact worth that value.
>>73563109
Sir you are believing in an idol. the Christian God has reveled himself to everyone, please beg God for repentance. and put your trust in Jesus?
>>73563070
>is that an absolutely true statement?
It is, God has revealed it to me: >>73562311 :^)
>>73563193
is that an absolute statement? you know God exists, get on your knees and beg for repentance, and put your trust in Jesus!
>>73550417
>a nature based warrior religion exclusive to their race and culture
that's not even a white thing m8, don't know what you're on about. Maybe for a few nordic cultures.
I'm Irish anyway and the monk tradition existed prior to and was adopted by Christianity.
>deism
Why would existence not be continuously maintained by the creator? On the contrary God breathes life into existence continuously, moment to moment, not only at creation.
>>73563313
Which God?
>>73563275
>unironically using "Sir" on the internet
>>73563200
there is a material limit to how small or large something can be
>>73562778
ITT: a canadian who thinks his cursory reading of philosophical texts has guided him to the truth.
ITT: a cuck who doesn't understand what philosophy actually is and the purpose to which it should be applied
>>73563400
See >>73563313
Why aren't you worshipping Kek? He gave me dubs >>73562311 and trips >>73562111 and I know that he's the god that revealed the truth to me.
>>73563440
>Which God?
See above.
>>73563654
You have proved my point, you had to abandon your agnostic/atheistic worldview to claim absolute truth? and the Idol award goes to......
>>73561334
>Basically, we are all the one true God together.
Close, but no. Humans are connected in ways that you can't see, that much is true. But we are not God.
You're trying to mix reincarnation beliefs like from Buddhism or Hinduism with monotheism. This is where you're going wrong. You still feel powerless over death. One day when humans stop killing each other, they will become scientists and destroy death.
The true meaning of rebirth/reincarnation is being brought back to life in a future that has changed so drastically you can barely imagine what it will be like. And this is only if you happen to die before that happens. It's possible you won't die because you'll live long enough to see people being brought back from the dead.
>>73563534
[CITATION NEEDED]
Im not going to get into a maths discussion because i'll get slammed in 3 seconds. but my point is that the material limit is something that we cannot yet measure accurately, and until that technology exists our mathematics will always be limited and approximate. There is also quantum effects to take into account as well which kind of tips the chessboard over on this whole topic.
>>73550417
It feels good knowing people understand what you understand.
>>73550417
Glad I'm not the only one here.
I've been laughed at for merely suggesting a return to old religions.
>>73563808
>you had to abandon your agnostic/atheistic worldview
I never said I was agnostic or atheist, I've corrected you on that several times now.
Whose absolute truth is now true? Your idol talk doesn't work because Kek already has revealed to me that you're wrong and he even gave me trips when I called out his name, which is more prove than you can provide :^)
>>73563950
You worship a false idol
Romans 1:18-22
You still know the christian God exists, beg for repentance, put your trust in Jesus.
>>73561334
>BSG
Battlestar Galatica?
>>73564087
>Your idol talk doesn't work because Kek already has revealed to me that you're wrong and he even gave me trips when I called out his name, which is more prove than you can provide :^)
And again with that Romans 1:18-22 argument, while ignoring the muslim question. Why aren't you a muslim right now?
>>73564268
Are you muslim?
>>73563275
That is not true.
My only intention is to argue in favour of a provable God, that's the challenge atheists have given us: what they want is one provably existent God. That's what I gave them.
My words are my revelation that I give freely without any coercion or any expectations of glory, I'm anonymous and even when this religion flourishes I will remain anonymous. I have refused the position of prophet, as I feel unworthy. Literally take it or leave it, but I have a relatively difficult to rebut argument that: God exists, some Christian prophecies have come true, that there is a form of life after death.
Again, take it or leave it. I'm a fundamentalist in this new religion purely so the rest of you have someone to put it in words for you.
And pure monotheism is never idolatry, I can't imagine how my monotheism could be purer.
>and put your trust in Jesus!
Idiot.
Jesus is one Google gospel search away and there's the best representation of his mind. I am closer to Jesus than I have ever been.
>>73563440
There is only one God.
>>73563851
Death will never be conquered, only contended with, imagine becoming a 500 year old fossil. Yes, I'm mixing a crazy load of beliefs, eastern, western, Muslim, Jewish, Christian and some beliefs that came from fiction.
I'm glad you understand the science/theology thing I'm trying to do. Basically we should always let science take precedence and should even model our beliefs around our current understanding of the natural world. For instance, it's imperative that you believe in evolution and the big bang and even cosmic inflation. You must in order to understand this new belief system.
>>73564125
Yeah.
Take care, analyse their beliefs very carefully, skeptically. And Gaius Baltar is "the" human whilst six "the" cylon. It's hard to explain, but they're kind of like the best representations of their species, giving them a sort of godlike or angelic status.
Again, I use lots of sources. I don't post this frivolously.
>>73561334
>Basically, we are all the one true God together.
This Heresy.
Claiming that each human is actually a God negates the meaning of the word God. Giving every child a "champion" ribbon at the school sports day is the equivalent, it only serves to dilute the meaning of the word.
>>73561334
It's not really a warrior cult, the Vikings were only war like because they lived in the cold u farmable north, they raided to survive, and once they found a home that they could cultivate they general settled down and were even less violent then the other Europeans.
>>73564455
you read like a mentally ill person, tbqh, no offense to mentally ill people.
>>73564353
Remember when I predicted a circlular argument?
No, I'm not, but why aren't you? They claim you're born a muslim and that you know that Allah is real too. You should be a muslim by your own standard, yet you aren't.
>>73550417
The cuck is right!
I must sacrifice non believers, rip their heart out for the sun god!
>>73564455
If you could prove that the Christian God exists, with evidence, you are putting God on trial, and the skeptic the Judge, and that is an insult to him, because he is the Judge
Most Atheists, even if you did prove God to them, they would not worship him, because they hate him in their sinful nature, so it doesnt help me to help them, because i am commissioned to make deciples of christ, to help people get saved, not to have a theoligical evidence match!
>>73564694
I told you, i will debate a muslim on this, but you are not a muslim!
>>73550417
Women and children believe in god(s)
Men believe in science and reason
>>73564745
As a Mexican you have likely have Spanish ancestors, and native ancestors.
Do they Aztec gods or the roman gods speak more to you? What OP is saying is the gods are representative of the values we hold dear to our culture. If your culture takes more from the cultures of the Aztecs, you don't have to literally believe that there is a pantheon of Aztec gods, but rather there is a pantheon of Aztec values given personification. They don't want your sacrifices if you don't want to give them.
>>73564790
>If you could prove that the Christian God exists, with evidence, you are putting God on trial, and the skeptic the Judge, and that is an insult to him, because he is the Judge
Why would you suggest to have evidence for the christian god here >>73558570 ?
>>73564790
I don't want to worship a being that kills humans without a second thought. That punishes us for all eternity for not worshipping him, even if we are good people.
If God is real, he is a bad God, and the abrahamic religions are nothing more than a death cult.
>>73564848
>I told you, i will debate a muslim on this
But why? It's like you're evading answering that question, just like you're evading answering the other one: How do you know the truth?
>>73564994
I didnt present any though did i? you know im doing this because i want you to Go to heaven right?
>christfags are cucks
>fedoras are cucks
>we wuz vikings n shit are cucks
i don't know what to believe anymore
>>73564492
This is what leads to polytheism. You can be Aphrodite and I'll be Ares.
My cosmological argument is akin to oneness in Buddhism. Understanding what I'm implying is about understanding your place in the world.
>>73564568
Human sacrifices at the blot.
In BSG Kobol is an evil place that habitually practiced human sacrifice, before abandoning it they even sacrificed the leaders of their tribes. Jesus said not a single drop of Christian blood should be unaccountable for, because a Christian should never shed Christian blood.
No, the pacifism of Christianity was just as important to Nordic peace as agricultural trade.
>>73564674
I know.
Anonymity has its advantages too, I'll sit right next to you at a pub and you'll never know it's me. On the other hand, what if I told you that you were conditioned to believe true believers are nuts? All those Hollywood movies and TV shows with religious extremist terrorists...
I'm simply a relatively intelligent believer.
>>73564790
Or perhaps I'm serving God's will as his mouthpiece against this modern intellectual fashion of atheism? Atheists require dialectics and arguments, this is why a theology based purely in faith fails them.
>>73565074
if you are an atheist/agnostic, can you say what you define as Good is just nothing more than your opinion?
>>73565154
Now you understand what Nietzsche went through.
>>73565134
>I didnt present any though did i?
Are you seriously spinning this into a good light? Holy shit, this is hilarious.
>you know im doing this because i want you to Go to heaven right?
That heaven is as real as the muslim's one or Valhalla.
>>73565260
Your works wont save you. they and you know the Christian God exists Romans 1:18-22, beg God for repentence, and put your trust in jesus, and if he grants you repentance, you will have eternal life that will never be taken away from you ever ever ever, if you die at any point after that, you are going to Heaven.
>>73565285
It's not opinion, it's the natural order. Pack animals don't often kill members of there pack, and we are pack animals.
It's human nature to not harm your family/pack. Some of our values came around from religion, but it's so ingrained in our culture we don't need the fear of God to follow some of it.
Our natural rights to life liberty property and the pursuit of happiness won't go away when people aren't afraid of God.
>>73565309
I was testing to see how hardened your heart right?
>>73560681
>So you want to masturbate to hentai lady boys while listening to Mein Kampf on audio cassette tape?
only if it's read by Henry Kissinger.
>>73565513
>they and you know the Christian God exists
Why aren't you a muslim? :^)
>>73565585
And you know this with absolute certainty?
>>73565124
Nah jesus is like god , if you know me then you also know the father
many verses confirm thiis
Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will never pass away. 32But as for that day or hour, no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33Be on your guard and stay alert! For you do not know when the appointed time will come.…
>nor the Son, but only the Father.
imagine jesus sitting at his father throne when is the end father when is the end. boys are turning in to girls when is the end father when is the end
>>73565612
>I was testing to see how hardened your heart right?
You're neither a muslim nor a worshipper of Kek, your heart [is] just as hardened as mine.
>>73565652
since you cant account for absolute truth, Cheese pizza runs fast under the bridge :^)
>>73565679
As certain as I know anything.
I know that the gods of old would teach us the same values as the Christian gods, without forcing us to be afraid of something. We would do it because it is good for society to be a good person.
>people who prefer paganism over christianity in a religious setting are literally LARPers
Nigga, if you can't into common sense and morals without sulking up to some semitic god, you might as well place yourself in Africa and try again evolving.
>>73565791
Is kek the God you get Angry at when a relative dies, you fail a test, or life isnt going your way?
>>73565260
I like the sentiment but I cant get on board that i am actually One with some of the people around me, nor would I want to. Certain people exist that I find myself completely opposed to, no even trying to be edgy, everyone probably knows what I mean. This is what makes me throw away the synergy thing, even though its kind of nice.
I dont think true believers are nuts because I dont think anyone actually truly believes. Any such people are usually locked away. In us all is the seed of doubt, the church has simply taught us that this doubt is our greatest sin, which creates a guilt cycle, pulling people back week after week and creating anxiety and neurosis. It is in fact this doubt inherent in most of us which hardens people's faith and creates a perpetuating cycle like waves crashing on a beach.
ask yourself this, anon:
Do you sin?
If yes, you know that you don't truly believe. Same goes for every believer who sins. If I KNEW without shadow of a doubt that a sin could land me in flames for eternity i'd literally cut my penis off. No worldly pleasure could tempt me, instead, we all sin because deep down we know that it cant be true how they say it is.
>>73565812
>since you cant account for absolute truth
But I can, have you forgotton >>73562311 ?
>>73565861
And you know that with absolute certainty?
>>73565939
No, why would I get angry at Kek for something natural or something I personally fail at?
Do you get angry at the christian god for that? Becuase that's pretty infantile.
>>73565950
Im sorry i forgot you traded worshiping yourself to worshiping an idol
>>73565999
As well as I know anything man.
You can't just keep saying that as if it's some deep sentiment, it means nothing. Do you know your Yahweh exists with absolute certainty? You have no doubt whatsoever? Because that would make you naive, and more than a little stupid. Nothing is certain, except that you are conscious.
>>73566088
So kek isnt all powerful or all knowing?
>needing the idea of god or gods to be good and productive as a man
I'm not even an atheist, but you are the bane that holds back the future and our place in the universe. The cognitive dissonance I witness from you type of people leaves me stupefied. Simply stupefied.
>>73565945
>i'd literally cut my penis off.
cutting your penis off would also land you in hell
the bible got that covered . No cheating with this test
>>73563862
i'm not sure I need a source.
if something exists it has a mass. Therefore it is measureable at least theoretically. There is a line between the physical and metaphysical.
>>73566131
I know with absolute certainty that the Christian God exists!
>>73565706
John 8:57-59
“You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"
Romans 9:5
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
>>73565999
Anti Antichrist detected
>>73566224
theyve thought of everything
>>73566098
Your idol talk doesn't work because Kek already has revealed to me that you're wrong and he even gave me trips when I called out his name, which is more prove than you can provide :^)
>>73566165
Let's say he is. So what?
>>73550417
we're going to enter a golden era of philosophy and evidence based conclusions. we'll most likely pick up a belief system like the one you're preaching about. just wait
Christendom is a bitch religion.
>>73566246
Then you are naive. To know anything with absolute certainty is no different than deciding that you know everything, and no new information can change what you know. If you believe that then you are a lost cause and it's not because you are religious, but because you do not think. I know plenty of great, incredibly intelligent religious folk, but all of those people have absolutely doubted their beliefs, and through those fires decided to continue believing.
Religion is a belief, not a fact. You must always question your beliefs, or you will never learn anything.
>>73566371
Is kek the God you get mad at when a relative dies, you fail a test, or when things arent going your way?
>>73565289
Nietzsche was a coward who believed in the same dark, cosmological God that I do. He was coward for only alluding to it as the void, he was a coward who used atheism go create an air of edge.
>>73565074
People like you wouldn't believe in God even if you lived in paradise. You'd point to faraway problems and say "that's why God doesn't existw."
All God has to give is tough love. I'm sorry if this convinces you not to worship it, but guess what, my God doesn't give a fuck.
>>73565513
Did you know that by continually implying I'm sinful to discredit my ideas is a form of ad hominem? You are exactly the reason atheists absolutely can't believe in God, they hate you and your kind so much they fear becoming you and prevent this by rejecting the very possibility of God.
You are a false prophet, seemingly preaching faith but actually promoting disbelief through your actions.
I'm only here to post that God exists and that your soul is immortal, it has always existed and will always exist.
>>73565706
Jesus was a man made divine through the word, his good news is that all who believe can attain what he did. Jesus could only be born divine if and only if it were fate that he made his revelation. I'm not sure I believe in destiny.
>>73565945
I have sinned, of course, moderation and the middle path is a difficult fine line. I have doubted too, my faith would be weak if I hadnt.
But I don't believe in unforgivable sin.
And I know accepting oneness with those horrible people is difficult, it's simply a means of promoting pacifism. It's as it is in Islam, to kill your brother is to kill yourself. These ideas aren't meant to be easy to swallow, it's meant to take years to come to these realisations, doubt and initial rejection is normal.
Always remain skeptical.
>>73566273
I AM WHO I AM, is the most powerful phrase in the entire bible. God told Moses to tell the people he was God, exactly as I'm telling you.
>>73566453
*pacifist religion.
I'll never understand how Christians reconcile their belief in Old Testament shit (Judaism), defend their attitudes and actions with Old Testament shit, and then pretend Jeebus is standing above their shoulder silently nodding in approval.
>>73566498
I know the same way you do, Revelation from The God who everyone knows exists Romans 1:18-22
the only difference between me and you is that i am the one who is following him.
>>73566519
See >>73566088
Why do you always repeat yourself?
>>73566243
i have no rebuttal except to say that this "mass" we assign objects is entirely dependent on how much work we feel like doing and how many decimal places we feel like putting in place. we have to stop somewhere, and we usually do. this is what limits our mathematix. i dont believe that objects are just infinite or something, just that our measurements are limited by practicality. im talking more about decimals as the limiting factor not the object itself
>>73566658
>I know the same way you do, Revelation from The God who everyone knows exists Romans 1:18-22
You should be a muslim if you apply that standard.
Why do you always repeat yourself?
>>73566542
Romans 1:18-22
What does it say?
>>73566542
You asked me if I would worship him.
A eternity, that is, infinite punishment, for a lifetimes, that is finite sin. That is wrong. To think that God would send anyone to hell for all time for any crime is despicable, and it isn't tough love. Imagine if a child drew on the walls, so the parent decided the child deserved to be grounded u too he was 50 years old. Would that be tough love?
>>73565706
>>73565706
John 1:14
The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
>and the Word was God.
>The Word became
>>73566714
You already know, why do you keep asking?
>>73566808
Because I want an answer from you that's not disingenuous. Self-reflect for a bit.
>>73566788
The Word became Flesh*
>>73566658
I've already said I don't know anything, so if you know the same way I do, you do not know anything either. We just both believe different things.
>>73566542
i have to fuck off to an appointment but it was a good yarn. i like when mutual faggots can have a chat about this shit without shit getting too emo.
The agents of satan are sliding this thread. God is real. Accept it into your soul.
>>73556549
Nigga, he did exist prior to Fenrir fucking his shit up, you know?
>>73566542
The christian pacifist values such as "turn the other cheek" is the reason the west is getting cuckfucked by mudslimes.
>>73566769
Its not your finite sin, but your sinful nature, you cant enter the kingdom of heaven with it.
You already know God exists, you need to beg God for repentance, put your trust in Jesus Christ, and if he grants you repentance, you will never have to worry about hell John 10:28
>>73566273
2 Corinthians 4:4King James Version (KJV)
4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
that verse is about satan being the god of this world
Your argument is pretty weak vs a verse what literally says that only the father knows the time of the end, not the angels not the son only the father knows when the end is
>>73566930
Did you read the verse i gave you?
If we don't sin, Jesus died for nothing.
>>73566714
He's got your number, anon.
He's asking you because you're supposed to look deep inside yourself and ask why you blame an omniflatulent extradimensional being for everything that troubles you instead of burying your head in the sand and pretending he isn't there.
I know, it's silly, but this is how his worldview works. Peer pressure. He has to sell you the illness before you'll buy the cure.
>>73566975
Listen to yourself.
You worship a being that will have you burn in absolute torment for an eternity if you do not BEG for repentance
You not only believe in this god, but no worship him. You will get on your knees and BEG a being to allow you to not burn in hell. That's evil. If God is real he is evil
>>73566708
well, i guess i'll agree to a truce we seem to have a consensus.
My main argument is supporting my belief that their are limits to the physical realm. I guess it's circular somewhat, but it's my way of viewing the world.
>>73566731
It's an argument against polytheists, which you'd have to be wilfully ignorant to believe I am. I'm simply opening up the esotericism hidden in the bible.
>>73566769
I don't believe in hell. I believe in the resurrection. I believe in the sheer probabilities of genetic reincarnation, just as the Nietzscheans did in Andromeda. Coupled with a society that, say, ensures the people all have a common base of knowledge (say if you assured everyone read the same thick as fuck book), then you have the potential for real reincarnation of everything except episodic memory.
>>73566788
Because as the father is God, as our minds are God, then enlightening words themselves are a form of God.
Indeed, the word becomes flesh when you believe, and you become God.
>>73566969
You realise everyone knows economic migrants are taking advantage of enlightened societies? Westerners aren't dumb, they just don't say what they actually believe.
>>73567076
Jesus died for the truth as much as our sins. The understanding of Jesus' sacrifice must change, since I cannot prove or even argue for the original sin.
>>73567165
if you have an atheistic/agnostic worldview, inst that just Your opinion?
>>73566969
This. Christcucks will enjoy a universal revival among whites if and only if at least one denomination goes full on white nationalist and begins retaking the fucking white continent of Europe from muds.
Until then I and most whites will consider you race traitors faggots and kike tools because what other explanation could there be for whites kissing migrant feet, paying to import muds, and pushing for an it white government policy?
>>73551604
> The Brother's Karamazov
This list might make you an atheist
>>73567165
Imagine if I had power over you, say you were in prison, and I was a guard.
Would it be normal or acceptable for me to make you get on your knees and beg me for forgiveness, or else get beaten near to death every single day? Or would that make me an evil man?
Why should an omnipotent power be held p a different standard? Does might make right?
>>73566969
I'm Catholic, my family is Irish Catholic. I have a nun and priest in my extended family, I have never in all my life heard anyone in any association with the Church advocate turning the other cheek.
>>73567230
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
anyone who suppresses the truth in their unrighteousness
>>73566359
They as in some goat herders ? they are pretty smart
8. Deuteronomy 23:1
ESV
No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.
KJV
He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.
>>73550417
>tfw realising that Germany is the cancer and we can not return to normal life unless we eradicate all Germans. There is nothing I wish for more then to kill me some Germans in the heat of battle. I am erect now!
>>73567165
>You worship a being that will have you burn in absolute torment for an eternity if you do not BEG for repentance
what's the point of having morality if you don't encourage and live it?
>>73567258
In the same way that your belief in your God is just an opinion.
>>73561246
You talking shit about the favorite vacation spots of the first-world militaries?
Deism > any religion ever
How can God expect us physical entities to be certain about something as aphysical as God and the afterlife. Even if Jesus was the true son of God, I can't be certain.
>inb4 you must have faith or burn in hell forever
God is a needy af.
>>73567338
But your beloved vicar of Christ loves migrants more than christians. Catholicisms inability to murder that faggot and replace him with a leader for whites makes it a fundamentally antiwhite religion for muds
>>73567433
I know God exists
>>73567501
I know he doesn't.
>>73567544
can you say that with absolute certainty?
>>73567338
Maybe because you're hypocrites?
>>73567413
Is begging for forgiveness moral? Sounds to me like you need the fear of hell to be moral. If you didn't have the fear of God in you, would you start killing people? Is this deep seated fear of your evil god the only thing keeping you from raping and murdering?
>>73567491
Good point, but no one is listening to him. No one is going to have their opinion changed by him. He has adopted liberal views, not vice versa.
>>73567634
That means nothing. If you can say anything with absolute certainty than that means you don't think or learn.
But for the sake of this argument. I am as certain that Yahweh does not exist as you are certain he does.
>>73550417
>realising the west will stay cucked until it shakes off the shakels of christianity
Lel nietzche posts on /pol/
>>73567689
Works wont get you to heaven? God commanded us to be holy for i am holy, that is an impossibility with our sinful nature?
>>73567776
How are you certain?
The Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil endowed us with awareness of the two, but not necessarily with the capacity to distinguish between them.
Think about that the next time you take unconscious pleasure in knowing that God will torture your ideological opposition in Hellfire for eternity.
>>73567808
I don't want to go to heaven. I don't believe it exists, and even if it did, begging an evil God to go to heaven is something I would never do.
>>73567648
Turning the cheek isn't a Catholic position. You've straw manned yourself an argument.
>>73567689
Prayer isn't the same as begging. It's more giving thanks and a conscious humbling of the self to serve the greater good. It's not a bad mental practice from time to time.
>>73567859
The same way you are certain.
>>73561721
What bible do you read?
>>73567862
Yes and God also teaches us to use our cognitive faculties to recognize the Truth.
If you don't even try you're not likely to arise at the righteous decision.
>>73567862
The pleasure you get from your sin is a gift from God, a stolen gift, when your in hell the pleasure you get from sinning will be gone, because you are seperated from God, you will wish there was a literal fire just so you can feel something?
>>73567906
Prayer isn't the only thing Christians do.
You are so afraid of what God might do to you of out don't grovel and kiss his feet. He is a tyrant and if he existed I would revolt.
>>73567896
You know God exists, and you hate him in your sinful nature, you supress him in your unrighteousness, i want you to go to heaven, but maybe God has hardened your heart, i wish you the best of luck with your life, i really hope you live a long one.
>>73567932
I am certain from a revelation from God, the same one you have.
>>73568180
I don't know God does not exist.
I know only that I exist. To know anything but that is naive and narcissistic.
>>73567937
Niv, NKJV, KJV, but if i have a problem i try to find the greek.
>>73568258
Can you be absolutely certain of that?
>>73568054
You're arguing an absolute inability to gain any sort of knowledge, which isn't useful in this debate. You've basically played your trump card, which ends the discussion but makes you the loser.
>>73568355
Yes. It is the only thing I am absolutely certain of.
>>73568421
How?
>>73568035
Actually I'm afraid of what my soul would become if I indulged sinful behavior. Christianity is a way of life that encourages you to consider the best actions and warns against what happens when you do bad things. In other words cultivating the conscious.
>>73568457
It's logical. I could be disembodied consciousness vividly hallucinating the world, but I know for a fact that I have consciousness. That is all I know though, everything else is just belief.
>>73568523
Works cant save you, you know God exists, beg God for repentance and put your trust in Jesus?
>>73568583
I've always been interested in methodological solipsismlike that. It's what lead me to pantheism.
Have you read the Vedanta? It's interesting because it kinda cooperates those two concepts.
>>73568583
a few posts earlier you said that your existence was the only thing you knew for certain, now your saying you know logic for certain?
>>73568693
i thought you got revelations from kek? are you a liar?
>>73568693
I haven't. I'll look into it though. Thanks.
>>73568705
I have consistently said my existence is the only thing I know for certain. That is the existence of my consciousness.
Now you explain to me how you know for certai how your God exists. Other than "I know through revelations" because that means nothing. It is still a belief.
>>73568807
Kek is so omnipotent that he can both exist and not exist simultaneously.
Can your imaginary friend do the same?
>>73568807
>are you a liar?
I thought it was clear that I was just using it as example from my post here: >>73562311
>Let's do it, for shits and giggles
It's no point to continue it since you're not willing to engage in discussion.
>>73568900
is logic an absolute, or does it only exist in your mind? i think their is still hope for you yet.
>>73568912
are the laws of logic absolute?
>>73569009
Logic only exists in my mind, but since my mind exists and I can prove that to myself, then so does logic.
Again, how are you sure your God exists? Other than just knowing because you know.
>>73569009
>he doesn't know what solipsism is
The fact that you can think of retarded questions like that proves his position.
>>73568632
I already go to church and read the bible you don't have to try to convert me.
>>73568953
im looking at world views not examples, so now your back to your pantheistic tree hugging world view?
>>73569098
ad hominem
not an argument
>>73569086
I know that God exists the same way that you do, revelation, but the difference between me and you is that i am following him and you are not!
>>73569137
>so now your back to your pantheistic tree hugging world view?
I've never abandoned it.
And what has tree hugging to do with it?
>>73569203
fallacy fallacy
not an argument :^)
>>73569086
If logic only exists in your mind, than it is not absolute, so cheese pizza runs fast under the bridge
>>73569063
Good question.
>>73569209
But I don't know God exists.
I've said that, you can't just assume I "know" what you "know". In fact, in saying your only reason for "knowing" is an experience that we have both experienced, and I don't "know" that means that you don't "know" shit. You know what I know, and that is nothing.
>>73569128
Works wont save you, i dont convert, God does, so again you need to beg God for repentence right now!, and put your trust in christ!
>>73569269
But logic has a much stronger argument, as in, it has always been true in our reality, and there is no reasonable alternative to logic, than your "revelations" does.
>>73569338
I can, and in your suppression of the truth, you have created a world view of absurdities. Romans 1:18-22.
Please beg God for Repentance, put your trust in Jesus Christ
>>73569264
fallacy fallacy fallacy
your argument literally was not logical
>>73569448
can Logic prove Logic? no logic is a gift from the God you dispise, when you use it to try and disprove him, you are spitting on him with a gift e gave you.
>>73569602
Fallacy fallacy fallacy fallacy
I thought logic was not absolute?
>>73569564
Alright man, talking to you is annoying enough I'm gonna call it. Keep on believing you are omniscient and somehow know God exists. I'll go on knowing I know nothing.
if God exists, I will literally spit in his face with the saliva he apparently gave me.
Based on the bible, God is a tyrant and is truly evil.
>>73569747
Im not God is, you know he exists
>>73569891
Ok bud.
>>73569835
Based on your opinion
>>73569923
You got it pal.
>>73569564
>you have created a world view of absurdities
I don't know if he has, but many people go their entire lives without acknowledging the ultimate irony.
http://www.philosophy-index.com/existentialism/absurd.php
>Daily reminder that as far as we can perceive about the properties of the universe, it's the process of energy redistribution that brought us into existence, everything we do in the universe is energy redistribution, and it's energy redistribution that will kill us all.
>>73569966
im praying for you anon
>>73569979
and you can be certain of this?
>>73570073
Already addressed.
>as far as we can perceive about the properties of the universe
Were I certain, it wouldn't be absurd.
>>73570132
percieve is the key word, you could be in a mental hospital?
>>73570258
I should be in a mental hospital.
