>wake up
>/pol/ has been infiltrated by statist cucks
>sucking off Trump all day every day
>advocating for more government regulations
JUST
>>69253349
If you have two options and one of them is better than the other one, which one do you pick? None of them?
>>69253349
>>69253349
>wake up
Just how long do you get to do that achmed?
>>69253422
You don't need to shove a 3 foot dildo up your ass to vote for Trump.
Or maybe I'm mistaken.
>>69253422
There are always other options. The right path is usually the most difficult to follow due to such little traffic.
>>69253349
Hey bro..I did the #callbrusels thing..but no one answered. ..if everything okay?
>>69253422
You never only have two options. There are a literal infinite number of things a person can do in any circumstance.
>neoliberals
>lolbertarians not realizing that we are full fascist now
I hope the death squads come for you first OP
>>69253724
Many options; binary outcome
>>69253880
No need, the peaceful moslems will get to him first
>>69254013
Outcomes aren't binary either. They're also literal infinites.
>>69253349
HELLLLLLLOOOOOOOO REDDIT !
>>69253349
/pol/ values memes, racism, and bigotry over liberty.
>>69253807
Dear god is she spitting uncooked egg into her daughter's mouth?
>>69254228
Nice try famalam, but you don't get to downvote my comment and call the mods because I have a dissenting opinion.
>>69254303
it didn't use to be like this
Cant wake up inside
>>69253349
>le /pol/ used to be [insert poster's favorite ideology] meme
kys
>>69253349
>see flag
refugees welcome amirite?
>>69253349
I'm glad ISIS fucked you faggots up.
>>69253349
>be Belgian
>get blown up
>>69254641
>implying that enforcing borders means you have to sacrifice freedom internally
>>69254091
It could be infinitely the same 2 outcomes
>>69254927
how can closing borders and liberal """freedom""" exist under the same shed? liberalism is liberalism, it's not anything else.
>>69254745
Despicable.
>>69254988
If you can repeat time and the exact same circumstances are re-enacted, sure. Otherwise looking forward the outcomes are necessarily infinite in variety - you mix up a single variable (among an infinite) and the outcome necessarily changes.
>>69255149
Are you familiar with social contract theory?
>>69255149
the only reason those two would be associated is because other people tell you they are
>>69255417
it's literally impossible for any european state to close the borders in their current condition because your dear liberals are pushing exactly for the opposite, *theory* indeed.
>>69255857
The same idea applies to the Schengen Zone. The protections within a free society apply to members of it. You would obviously treat others respectfully in peace time, but foreigners do not have a right to come to your country. That is precisely why we form governments. A united group can't be as aeasily defeated as scattered individual houses.
Europeans need to realize that Islam is incompatible with free societies and that people do not have a right to colonize you because they are poor. This shit shouldn't even need to actually be stated, but such is the condition of the world today I guess.
What you do is you sink their boats and shot them when they try to breach your border fences.
I think there may need to be a temporary state of emergency in places like Belgium, France, Sweden, etc. so that you can expel these people, but a free society (or gorup of them that have banded together) can absolutely keep the unwashed masses at bay without having to resort to a permanent police state.
>>69257079
You can work together with people without government. That blatant fact is evidenced every moment of every day.
>>69253349
>Belgium
>not wanting a state
of course
>>69257079
In words it sounds nice an all but, name a single liberal european party who dared to propose any ideas remotely close to this, there're literally none, it's not even an option for them because liberals are self-hating cucks that deserve to be meme'd to death, just look at Sweden, they're what the european liberalism represents. OP is one of these people, if you haven't realized yet.
>>69257765
The question isn't really about mainstream political parties, it's about individuals on an anonymous image board.
And I'm not in any description possible a socialist, leftist or marxist.
You just ascribed that description to me because it makes it easier for you to dismiss me.
>>69257765
I won't deny that may be the case. That doesn't change the fact that an authoritarian regime is not the right solution.
Subjecting yourself to oppression to save yourself from oppression is lunacy.
>>69257988
of course I would dismiss you, just look at what's happening around you and think about what you're trying to propose, pic related is a detailed representation of your mentality.
>>69253349
Fuck off and stop dreaming about nonsense, cuck
>>69253422
>None of them?
Um yeah -revolution, baby.
>>69255149
>don't know what paleolibertarianism is
>don't know who Hans Hoppe and Paul Gottfried are
Honestly the Old Right is the only way senpai. Open borders is a state operation engaged in to undermine our culture and proliferate leftist ideas. I'm fine with freedom of movement and all that, like back pre-WW1, but we need to get rid of the commies first, and there are several paths to take in that respect
>>69253349
I miss Dr. Ron Paul.
;_;
>>69258232
You're talking about European parties.
There are no European parties that propose what Trump does.
My gripe is with people who would be fine with something akin to the Patriot Act even though it does nothing to stop the problem.
The first thing that will be proposed won't be closing of borders, but monitoring of its own citizens.
And people on /pol/ will say it's fine because
>UUUH GO AWAY AHMED DO YOU NOT WANT TO CATCH TERRORISTS
>>69253880
Do you not realize that every group that lead a violent coup were the first ones to get bagged? If anything you're first in line for removal
>>69253349
These people won't smell the fucking coffee until the government has the ability to shut 4chan down for 'spreading extremist ideology' or some shit.
>>69258892
uh we'd rather have the government on our side rather than calling us racist and importing the entire third world
>>69254452
Keep fighting the good fight senpai. We will make /pol/ legit once more, as others have suggested now that we are normie central we need to let the truth fly 24/7
>>69258510
>Open borders
This is problem when people concern themselves solely with economic issues. Economic issues are the number one thing libertarians talk about these days because they are under the mistaken impression that economic liberty begets individual when in reality it is the opposite. Individuals whowho do not understand the principles and responsibility that underlies personal freedom cannot effectively wield economic liberty.
>>69253349
Why did you bomb Brussels?
>>69259018
Why would the government be on your side? The state is always acting in its own interest.
Naziboos are so deluded that they can't see that the history of fascism and autocrats is rife with fools who destroyed their nations in pursuit of their megalomaniacal dreams.
>>69253349
Yes, lets all free the people, LET'S DESTROY THE BORDERS AND BECOME A GLOBAL ANARCHY.
Fuck you faggots. As if fascism wasn't also a popular belief on /pol/. Regulations or not, there's no degeneracy when you impose authority.
Mind you, I'm not an authoritarian, but I think libertarianism breeds degeneracy.
>>69259018 why the trust in Trump? that's unlikely to happen. and it hardly mattered when the government called you racist.
>>69254927
>attack in Paris
>the government says the only way to fix the problem is to bomb ISIS even more, banning guns harder (the guns where bought illegally) while spying on people and still accepting immigrants
Libertarians are the most retarded fucking faggots on /pol/.
Do you ever see any libertarian threads anymore on /pol/? Do you see any /libertarian/ generals?
If there are so many libertarians on /pol/ why don't they do their part and actually start making threads and making their case?
Every single time a libertarian says anything on /pol/ it is always "B-but /pol/ used to be l-libertarian senpai t-trust me I'm an oldfag"
Certified crybabies.
Even fascists have a better footprint here because occasionally you will see a fascist general.
>>69259428
>there's no degeneracy when you impose authority
yeah senpai
the people who will act degenerately will be the ones leading your country
did you forget that oppressive laws carry over into the next election?
Even if a God on earth gets elected to office, the next cycle there will be someone who will fuck you over.
>>69259642
>Do you ever see any libertarian threads anymore on /pol/?
You're in one right now.
>>69259075
I don't really understand your comment. I'm against open borders as a libertarian on the grounds that our current immigration system is designed to import low-skilled labor and people who cannot successfully integrate into our society. And it is also abhorrent that we subsidize it. A problem with full-scale open immigration is that although it will improve the livelihood of everyone on net through division of labor and such, the mission of a state (which is itself unjust) is to protect the interests of its people. So as long as we have a government we should have controlled immigration that favors (in a discriminatory way) Europeans and other Westerners, the intelligent, and those who seek freedom (political immigrants). If we abolish welfarism then maybe we can talk about letting in large numbers of foreigners although we should never make any efforts towards cultural accommodation. You become American or you can flounder in a ghetto
>>69259788
Yeah like I said
>Every single time a libertarian says anything on /pol/ it is always "B-but /pol/ used to be l-libertarian senpai t-trust me I'm an oldfag"
Tell me about the good old days of Paul posting anon.
>>69259642
I'm a libertarian that supports Trump. An immigration program that brings in shitskins that will vote themselves more free shit generally isn't a good idea. Most of them are on welfare too.
>>69259428
>Libertarians haven't been fighting against degeneracy for years
>Reason never published a holocaust denial issue
>Every right-libertarian ever hasn't been called a Nazi or a Neo-confederate
State authority is what you see now, with governments imposing degeneracy upon their people. In a "libertarian paradise" or even remotely libertarian (say Federalist) society/government, the government/state wouldn't be able to impose violations of natural rights. So all of the commies could collectively go to commiefornia and shoot up and abort until they all die out.
>>69259922
>Tell me about the good old days of Paul posting anon.
Or you know, we could have an actual discussion about politics.
>wake (me) up (inside)
>*can't wake up*
>>69260584
>call my name and save me from the dark
>>69259428
Quite the opposite my friend. Libertarianism removes the state net that degenerates and other welfare addicts use to survive. Remove the welfare State and you're left with the survival of the fittest.... And none of these limp-wristed liberal faggots are fit to survive. Regardless of what you consider as "degeneracy", there is nothing more virtuous than self-sufficiency and independence from government. Mind you that these leftist faggots are the most authoritarian people out there.
>>69259887
Sorry. My point was that lots of libertarians these days support open borders because they only consider economics and think lowering wages with third worlds degenerates is fine.
Even if this were true, economic gain doesn't mean much when you are being raped or blown up by these people. The other huge factor that they ignore is that the welfare state is part of reality.
What I was trying to say is that anyone who immigrates has be a good fit. Just because someone will work for a penny an hour doesn't mean you want them in your country or that you will actually benefit from their presence even if you don't have a welfare state. One need only look that the fact that Muslims are 45% of all prisoners in Belgium and 70% in France (they are only 5 and 12% of the population respectively) to know that the cost of their presence (without even factoring in welfare) is not worth any theoretical economic gain.
>>69253807
wtf is going on here?
>>69260386
I understand that libertarians have been fighting against degeneracy for years. But giving too much freedom to people is what causes these fucked up minorities to appear and start imposing their own authority without control.
The problem is when they start being relevant enough to the point that they are the ones choosing the state authority.
>>69260810
You'll never have "survival of the fittest" unless you have anarchy. Social classes will exist and degeneracy will appear regardless of class. The problem appears when some of those most influential social classes start becoming degenerate. Which happens a damn lot.
You can say whatever you want about the state being the one that imposes degeneracy, but that's because degenerate people choose that state. As long as there's democracy along with freedom, degeneracy will always prevail.
>>69262045
Having a libertarian mindset does not mean adhering to or even endorsing the current libertarian movement.
There's priorities, like immigration and values that you shouldn't lose because of circumstances.
Terrorism is not an excuse for losing your privacy. I'm saying this because given the option, a state will always seek to have more power, regardless of the motives. And given the current trend on /pol/, you probably would get called an ISIS sympathizer for not agreeing with it.
Regarding Trump, if he does choose to pass such a law I will guarantee you the tards will be applauding it
>It's only a minor inconvenience
>>69253349
>captcha "WERENGER Post"
Op confirmeed for werenigger
So if /pol going all in for Trump is what happens when Ron Paul can't win, what happens when Trump loses? What happens to the discourse on /pol? What ideology will /pol adopt next after we become disenfranchised yet again?
>>69264374
Shame on you for trying to have an actual discussion on /pol. We don't do that anymore if you haven't noticed. We just post trump memes and get mad about blacks fucking white people. We went full brain dead a while ago.
>>69253349
Go fucking hide in a cave, I'm ashamed you post with the same flag as I do.
>>69253628
The right path also leads nowhere because every libertarian in the US is low energy. Yeb was more bellicose than Paul.
>>69253349
>>/pol/ has been infiltrated by statist cucks
>>sucking off Trump all day every day
>>advocating for more government regulations
/pol/ mostly supports National Socialism, which is by definition statist
??????
>>69253349
Sour grapes, Belgium?
>>69267204
about what?
>>69259679
I guess I forgot to answer you.
So you admit that democracy is the problem like I mentioned here >>69262491 ?
The thing is, libertarianism gives the freedom necessary for degenerate people to surge and to then choose a degenerate leader afterwards.
>>69253349
Fuck off Belgium, you being a cuck is the reason you can't even protect your own people.
>>69267660
>So you admit that democracy is the problem like I mentioned here
There is no perfect way of assigning governance.
Therefore given the choice people should probably be wary of giving more power to the state.
Libertarianism gives the opportunity both for exellence and mediocrity.
Too much regulations encourages dishonest action. So lawful people will be punished and those that know how to play the system will get the spoils.
I'm not even talking about going full libertarian, I'm talking about not taking authoritarian measures in a case where clearly the disadvantages outweigh the gains.
>>69267903
Yeah it has absolutely nothing to do with a government restricting my actions.
>>69269813
>Libertarianism gives the opportunity both for exellence and mediocrity.
And it also gives opportunity for the worst kind of scum to appear and convert people to their cause because of their freedom to it.
I think libertarianism is as bad as authoritarianism when it comes to governance. Equilibrium must be achieved between both. All these liberal left movements are gaining power exactly because the state let them.
I wouldn't mind freedom if people had strong cultural roots which they did not want to defile, the problem is that freedom ends up giving people opportunity to step on such culture and impose their own.
Its exactly because the last few decades people have had no regard for their own culture that they are now letting outsiders step on it here in Europe.
Freedom is pretty, but a balance must be achieved for a civilization to prosper.
>>69253349
All anti statist scum will be crushed under the mighty boot.
Freedom is a privilege. Not a right.
also I support sharia simply because it shits on freedom. And nothing gives me more pleasure than the suffering and enslavement of others
