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Why are Americans scared of socialism
>>68688933
If America becomes socialist just remember that tens of millions of American exiles will be landing in Europe on makeshift rafts
>>68688933
It doesn't work in a multicultural nation. Even though every homogeneous society has its own deadbeat. the risk doesn't outweigh the reward as they say.
>>68688933
>povertyinusa.jpg
Now show a picture of the same time period in the Soviet Union.
Socialist or libertarian policies would work fine here if we were all white... or acted white.
Tell me, how many times can a Government redistribute wealth?
>>68689454
well 50 million americans lives in poverty to day the middel class i mostly gone and workers have to work 2-3 jobs to get by
>>68689990
Stop spreading communist propaganda
>>68689990
American "poor" people are still better of than the average human.
>having a tv, smartphone, car etc.
>poor
>>68689990
We just need to scrap or atleast fix NAFTA, get rid of the laws that make it hard for small business's to thrive and make it easier to obtain business licenses that don't make you jump through too many hoops since Large corporations are afraid of competition who can't squash it or buy them out of business. The Democrats like the Clintons and Republicans like Mccain really fucked this country on that with trade so they could use Corporations like Walmart as a Ubiquitous way to keep track of the economy.
>>68688933
Europe
Be socialist
Be arrested for speaking out
Get blown up
>>68688933
die commie
>>68689295
There is no such thing, nor has there ever been, such thing as a "homogeneous society."
>>68688933
Socialism can solve the problems with food, belongings and property throughout the world. But Americans - people are greedy, they want to usurp everything (that is why they are not loved around the world).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFVHivN3yU4
you got a little taste of socialism with ur free fire department and police it aint that bad is it?
unless you are the owner of a insureanc company, you would think that free heltcare is a good thing to?
>>68692097
Every Country looks out for its own self interest. Even Russia. Just because America is capable of feeding the entire world doesn't mean It's our job too get screwed out of trade just so we can look like the father figure.
>>68688933
Why are socialists scared of economics?
Socialism is only feasible when there are zero shitskins.
>>68691743
How?
>>68688933
We have too many niggers and spics that only take from the system. If everyone put in, then socialism may work, HH.
>>68690339
It's not propaganda, and what does Che have to do with it?
>>68692097
yes, they still belive in the american dream, that one day they strike it rich.
that is what capitalism wants you to belive.
>>68691743
Japan, North & South Korea to name a few.
>>68690510
That's not true at all. Some areas of the U.S. look like they could be from the third world.
>>68689093
Nice cherry picked photos. Ignoring the fact that CUba has higher life expectancy that USA and millions of Mexicans are fleing capitalist Mexico into USA and millions of Africans and central Asians are fleing into Europe from capitalist nations.
>>68691743
Sweden circa pre-1980s
>>68692532
Ebin meme
>>68689454
>Ignoring the fact that Russian Empire was poor shithole with iliterate population and Soviet Union had to survive civil war and imperialist invasions.
>>68688933
We watched what it has done to everywhere it has been tried, I would be ok with National Socialism not the Jewish Marxist type that liberals love to push.
>>68692846
Don't bother bringing up that point. Most people here are brainwashed to think that any good statistic about Cuba is propaganda, even if it comes from international researchers.
>>68689759
You're a Fucking White Male!
Because it's for the feeble and weak-minded, and we share the planet with MANY of those.
White people have demonstrated that they can make a capitalist or a socialist system work.
Shitskins have demonstrated that they can't do either, but at least they can exist in a white-run capitalist system without causing the entire thing to collapse.
>>68688933
Because every single time it has ever been tried, it has failed in a most spectacular fashion.
>>68693197
norway works fine dosent it?
Socialism is evil.
It is universal slavery.
Everyone is a slave to everyone else.
>>68693090
YOU'RE FUCKING A WHITE MALE
>>68692818
All believe in something. The Jews, like Hitler, killed millions of people for ideological reasons. The dream of providing the world with affordable food, clothing, medicine, protection and the real estate - is not the worst.
>>68693273
Not for long. You're going to follow Sweden and the rest of Western Europe into the third world muslim shithole.
>>68688933
Because we live in a timeline where McCarthyism and the Red Scare happened. Also billions of deaths thanks to totalitarian socialists contribute.
They're scared of socialism because they're dumb.
And they can't have it anyway, because they're too dumb for it to work.
Socialism doesn't mean what it used to be. The government isn't going to take over all the means of production or redistribute their properties. That's what the rednecks still think.
More and more americans don't even have any properties anyway, they mostly have debts.
>>68693197
Every time it was tried it eliminated poverty, increased avarage life expectancy and made coutry more or less economicaly sufficient.
Not even once when it was tried it was left alone in peace. ALl the socialist countries have been invaded, bombed or have been isolated by capitalists.
>>68688933
Pure socialism has never been achieved. People look after their own interests, and because of that socialism will never work as the ideal paradise it is presented as. It is a nation killer. That's why I couldn't stand it if America went down that path.
>>68688933
We have about 5x your population in just niggers and they would all have to become contributing members of society. Socialism can't work here because the welfare state is just too huge.
>>68693197
Even though it lasted for several generations?
>implying any kind of political system "works"
>>68693438
when did they do this?
in soviet union the people lived like animals, with no rights.
>>68689093
not to mention that the world would then have to find someone elses' money to run out of...
>>68693458
Joseph McCarthy was the Paul Revere of the 20th century. He raised the alarm about communist subversion and he's been vindicated by history.
>>68688933
Because we fought it for 70 years while y'all in Europe masturbated behind our defenses?
>>68693360
You just defined crapitalism
>>68693446
Socialists policies don't have anything to do with it. Mass migration (duo to US wars) does.
Why the fuck did USA bomb Libya? Gaddaffi warned Europe what will happen.
Why invade Afghanistan and Iraq. Why arm ISIS?
>>68693504
you're a fucking nigger.
>>68693458
>billions
http://youtu.be/kOnIp69r6vg
We're attached to South and Central America.
>>68693630
>let me tell you about your country
Meanwhile USA has biggest prisoner population in the world and NSA is spying on you.
>>68693765
hahahaha ebin
>>68693438
The dream of providing the world with affordable food, clothing, medicine, protection and the real estate - is not the worst.
When did they ever work towards any of this?
>>68693727
>You just defined crapitalism
No he didn't
>>68688933
It has been proved various times that nobody should give free moneys to the people, just because. Most take advantage of that and begin to bend the system to their advantage. People don't work and the system kills itself.
>>68693846
Good for you, do what ever you want, your will has no value to me foreigner.
>>68693888
hahahaha retard
>>68693727
Because Obama wants to help create an islamic caliphate. Gaddaffi and Assad were roadblocks.
Don't blame America for that muslim piece of shit. He stole the election with organized fraud.
>>68693912
>capitalism is evil.
>It is universal slavery.
>Everyone is a slave to to the 1%
>>68694062
>It is universal slavery.
>Everyone is a slave to to the 1%
That's communism/socialism
>>68693938
>It has been proved various times that nobody should give free moneys to the people, just because.
I know, right.That's why I am communist, because no rich kid should be given free stuff just because he was born into rich family whose dad is oil tycoon.
>>68694062
Voluntary exchange ≠ slavery
>>68688933
A socialist killed William McKinley, that's it. And then after we passed legislation against anarchists who were mostly socialists.
>>68694217
Force = slavery
soviet union?
>>68693846
>USA has biggest prisoner population
So?
>>68694062
Same as socialism, only difference is that under capitalism the "slaves" can actually have decent lives.
>>68694173
>given free stuff
It's his dad stuff that his dad earned. He could do whatever he wants with it.
>>68693630
Read The Old Testament...
In the USSR people lived, gave birth to children, had the best education in the world, had the most powerful army, didn't go hungry and free of charge received apartments. With regard to the property, it was (from all over Eastern Europe), but it was to small (the country has had to spend big money to protect independence from the West).
>>68688933
Because then you'd turn out like us.
You want to become a shithole like us, America?
>inb4 better watch out next time you'd be 'gettin' on a damn plane, fool'!
>>68694274
Because people in Africa, Latin America and parts of Asia have decent lives under crapitalism, right?
>>68692320
>you got a little taste of socialism with ur free fire department and police it aint that bad is it?
Civic departments are not socialism you fucking 1/2 sweded
>>68694368
Not even you believe that load of bullshit you just wrote
>>68688933
Socialism's endgoal is communism. It's never enough, it must control and pacify society. And fix all perceived wrongs.
>>68693907
show me the soviet union building homes for people.
52,711,375 houses?
142,754,098 people
Soviet Union/Founded
Image result for founding of soviet union
December 30, 1922
Dissolution of the Soviet Union/End date
Image result for end of soviet union
December 25, 1991
>>68694435
>implying spics, niggers, and gooks can make stable governments
>>68688933
Socialism doesn't work when half your country are niggers and fat useless amoebas.
You know what?
FUCK EUROPE
LET EUROPE BURN
USA OUT OF NATO NOW
>>68688933
Not scared. We just believe in every man's right to take care of themselves and make their own choices. Freedom to succeed, freedom to fail. Both are part of a free society. If you take away one, you will lose the other.
There is a reason why Americans have invented by n large, the vast majority of the modern world. Its because everyone is able to do whatever the fuck they want upto and including failing terribly.
If you take away the ability of people to fail, then you will take away the motivation to succeed.
>>68693846
Although we could delve off into the obvious nigger problem with jails it would be somewhat obvious to have a higher prisoner population if a single states we have has a higher total population than your whole entire country.
>>68694368
The Central Intelligence Agency says Soviet military spending is between 115 billion rubles and 125 billion rubles - the equivalent of about $200 billion
>>68694660
Or when you have to pay for your own defense
>>68694173
Nornally the rich guy will give you money in exchange for a service, like in a job.
In other systems the goverment give you money for reasons as being a woman, being part of a minority or other reasons people in general as assholes and will take advantage of those systems. It's happening in Mexico who copied the idea from european countries and it a complete waste.
>>68688933
Because the rich capitalists run the country and keep everyone afraid of whatever they don't like. It's disgusting but nothing will change without drastic action. Bernie Sanders would try his best but the way the government is set up, he wouldn't be able to truly change anything.
>>68694274
>decent lives
There are no organic foods? To hurt because of this, obesity and cancer? In America still execute people and spying on the whole world. Because of American greed Europe is suffering from millions of immigrants.
>>68694565
>Ignoring the fact that Russian Empire was backward
>Ignoring the west backed civil war
>Ignoring WW2
>>68688933
America already is a socialist country, what the fuck do you people want?
Bailouts and depressions are a socialist function, this is not debatable.
>well that's because private business and 'cronyism' in government exploited it.
Oh and I suppose that corruption would just magically disappear if there was no private business. Sure.
Also all the people in that photo are niggers, surprise.
>>68694827
Russian Empire was not backwards, ww2 affected Germany and Japan more, the losers, Russia received tribute from Germany for ww2.
>>68694750
>Nornally the rich guy will give you money in exchange for a service, like in a job.
No, he will take most of money you earn and give you part of it. The goverment will protect him from you and the media will brainwash you into thinking that there are no alternatives.
>>68694494
In 1920 year entire economy and the military of Germany is under the control of England and the United States. Germany 20-s - the poorest country in Europe. How Hitler was able to seize Austria, France and Poland? Who gave money to Hitler? The answer is simple - England and the USA.
It was beneficial to send Hitler to war with Stalin. 4 years, Stalin single-handedly crushing the Germans. Stalin asked the US and Britain to open a second front (5 times!). England and USA refused. "Allies" landed in Europe when Stalin could cope without them.
I want to notice that England promised Poland protection and a Declaration of war to Hitler. If so, why did England not have landed in Germany in the 41st? Hitler would not have been able to divide his strength on two fronts.
The answer is simple, England and the USA are war criminals. They started the Second World War, supplying Hitler with money and promising that do not attack Hitler when he attacked the USSR. Lend-lease - is a child's excuse. The percentage of military "aid" was very small (7% in 1942, of the total share of weapons in the USSR).
All your government are hypocrites and liars, they need to be judged. Under Stalin, all the Nations lived peacefully, had no problems with blacks and Arabs (Stalin was Georgian, Khrushchev was Ukrainian, the USSR never had any problems in the national plan). Why in Europe and the United States the Negro is the problem? The answer is simple - it is profitable to the American government.
Why lives NATO? NATO was meant to "protect" Europe from the USSR. The USSR collapsed, NATO still exists. Your government lied to us again, now you will not sleep quietly in their beds, you will experience fear. You know that we don't trust you and building up military power. You know that all your provocations, we will give the answer.
>>68694676
kek
You ARE NATO. fucking murrica retards, you don't understand geopolitics at all!
>>68694368
>didn't go hungry and free of charge received apartments
If you had paid the unoffical dues to the people who decided the allocation of the "free" stuff.
>>68691743
It's Denmark's homogenous nature that actually allows it to do well with socialism, however, even that won't last forever.
>>68694732
>The Central Intelligence Agency
>says
>>68688933
with socialism people no longer have the opportunity to become rich, and just remain as a fucking worker from the age 15 till the day they die.
>>68695054
Let's see your socialist systems survive when the U.S military stops protecting you from Russia and you have to spend some of your own money to protect yourself
>>68694506
>Update
Socialism's end goal is imperialism and nationalism, Marxism is civil war.
>>68695010
>Empire with 20 percent literacy was not backward
>Germany and Japan more.
Japan only received two nukes and Tokya was bombed, after that free gibs, meanwhile all of Eastern Europe was destroyed.
Germany was a little bit bombed, but still less that Eastern Europe.Germany where war ended, Eastern Europe is where it took place.
>>68688933
Because I want to live on the merit of my own work, and not share that wage with non-workers.
>>68694368
But the west spent the same if not more money, and the average quality of life was far higher.
>>68695216
Mr. Gorbachev said military spending this year would be 77.3 billion rubles, equivalent to $128 billion and nearly four times the nominal defense budget. He said the budget had been frozen since 1987.
''I am announcing this real figure to the congress,'' Mr. Gorbachev said. Renews a Promise
>>68695303
me me me me thats america for you
>>68695045
Stalin offered Britain aliance in the as early as 1938.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
>>68695260
Let's see you defend your economy from the Saudi oil.
>>68695216
Yes that is what he typed out
>>68695293
You're retarded and brainwashed, I'm not even anti socialist, but more realistic.
>>68695045
So where does the Great Depression and the collapse of our economy fall into your conspiracy? Did we just spend all of our secret money being the Jewluminati instead of feeding our citizens or something?
>>68688933
Because capitalists have trained them to from birth.
Observe: >>68689093
This retarded nigger things "socialists" are responsible for mass third world immigration to the West when it is very deliberately the rich capitalists doing it so they can have 1st world slaves.
Guess what you fucking retarded faggots? You've got the definitions of capitalism and socialism ass backwards. If it's not voluntary, it CAN'T BE socialism by fucking definition. Capitalism, on the other hand is by nature coercive and forces itself on people against their will. Christ even your fucking governments are capitalist and you're so fucking stupid you think they're socialist. Taxation is LITERALLY a result of capitalism. In a true socialism, what would be the point of the government needing currency? Governments tax because they have to pay everyone for the basic maintenance and operations of running civilization - FUCKING LITERALLY CAPITALISM YOU RETARDS.
>>68695036
Woah you are a stubborn one maybe we come from two very different contexts. Maybe you've seen such a system works, in a equalitarian society with almost no minorities and no corruption, but in other places we have other issues and in some cases the private sector is a good choice to make money. In fact working in a private scenario the goverment is super dangerous against bussines with the fear of being taken over in case some idiotic law.
>>68695293
I'm all for building homes, building factories, getting people to work, education etc.. but not for fantasy Marxism.
>>68695521
Nice arguments. Me being brainwashed into liking idiology that people are programed to hate since the day they are born, very nice indeed.
>>68695356
>far higher.
Paid medicine and paid education, wiretapping. No, not above, just USA gave you the opportunity to spend money, but in the USSR it was all inclusive.
>>68695575
This is the bullshit I'm talking about.
![600px-GermanImports_USSRPerCent[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/KR5QY3P.jpg "600px-GermanImports USSRPerCent[1]")
>>68695045
>How Hitler was able to seize Austria, France and Poland?
>The answer is simple - England and the USA.
ayyy
>http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3404101270.html
>"To support its war economy, Germany needed raw materials—oil, manganese, grains, and wood. The Soviet Union needed manufactured products—machines, tools, optical equipment, and weapons. Although the USSR had slightly more room to maneuver and a somewhat superior bargaining position, neither country had many options for receiving such materials elsewhere. "
>>68695411
>Mr. Gorbachev
>an American agent or a traitor as Trotsk...
>>68695808
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3223834/Stalin-planned-to-send-a-million-troops-to-stop-Hitler-if-Britain-and-France-agreed-pact.html
>>68695575
So you blame capitalism for all your problems
ok please don't post your garbage moronic views with my flag
thank you
>>68695720
The US gives free education and subsidized medicine for the poor. Even factoring that in, the west still made more on average.
>>68688933
Because I'm a productive citizen and I don't want half my income stolen to support degenerate whore single mothers and their bastard niglets. Socialism is literally government imposed cuckoldry.
>>68692841
How many niggers live in those areas, again?
>>68695911
That guy is a Marxist and Communist not a socialist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RmHTte8jRLk
>>68695946
In the USSR it did for everyone. =)
>>68692818
That happened to my parents in America. They're not super rich but they both worked on minimum wage to get through college and now they live very comfortable lives.
>>68695720
Why did the Soviet Union gulag its own citizens for having a different will?
>Why are Americans scared of socialism
Because they've been trained to.
>>68696154
ccording to the government’s estimates, five million people are homeless in Russia (3.5% of the population), one million of whom are children and 50,000 of whom live in Moscow (IBT, 2014). It is not clear whether these numbers include four million “invisible people” (those who do not possess registration or “propiska”). Winters are especially problematic for homeless people in Russia – in Saint-Petersburg alone, 1,042 homeless people died in the winter of 2012/13
Nice words don't mean anything only actions.
>>68695800
What? That you're fucking retarded and can't grasp basic definitions like "capitalism" and "socialism"? Tell me oh fucking genius what economic system do you call it where you have to exchange currency for goods and services?
Then give the definition of socialism.
I'm sure you'll at least fail the latter.
>>68695911
>So you blame capitalism for all your problems
If by "my problems" you mean literally EVERY PROBLEM ON EARTH, almost. I blame human nature for that. But capitalism is a large part of it.
>ok please don't post your garbage moronic views with my flag
>Facts are opinion
>BUT MUH FUCKTARD BRAINWASHED OPINIONS ARE FACTS THANKS GET OUT NOW
God damn you people are loathsome in your degree of abject retardation. Get sterilized you low-IQ cunt.
>>68696029
No, I'm not, and you're both fucking stupid. And both marxists and communists are socialists, retard (although not purely so).
>>68695045
We gave y'all enough food to feed 1 million soldiers at any given time. You think you could have even fought Hans otherwise, Bлaдимиp? Fuck off, kike.
>>68696256
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BexkpaK_j5Q
TL:DR
GUlags were leftovers from Russian EMpire. Gulgas were banned in 1950's. All the countries had labour camps. USA still has labour camps.
>>68696485
>A socialist with a U.S flag calling anyone low iq
>>68696443
You know that Russia has been capitalist for 25 years now. Don't blame Lenin or Stalin for homelessness in Pu's Russia. There were no homeless in Soviet Union.
>>68695808
>The Soviet Union needed manufactured products—machines, tools, optical equipment, and weapons.
To explain the sale of machine tools to build the most powerful army in Europe - brilliant. How much is 1000 machine tools and 6 million soldiers?
>>68693504
He is right
>>68696759
How do you know?
and did magical capitalism destroy houses?
>>68691743
Switzerland is 95% ethnically Swiss. The rest are other white europeans. That's a homogenous society if I ever seen one.
>>68696847
>and did magical capitalism destroy houses?
>he thinks people are homeless because of lack of houses.
Capitalism is responsible for the fact that people have been thrown away from the houses or can't aword to buy ones.
>>68695903
>Recently uncovered Russian sources
Another addition to the series featuring such classic uncoverings like:
>"How General Zhukov went to consult Brezhnev: new chapter to the memoirs found under his desk!"
Besides, papers only stand before the relevant events happen. If hindsight reveals that the USSR was pumping resources into Germany as hard as it could, then obviously these "We wanted to save everyone but Evil West stopped us again!" documents are bullshit.
>>68697035
Capitalism prevents you from distributing houses?
>>68697036
>Ignoring Proxy war between Soviet Union and Germany in Spain as early as 1936
>Ignoring the fact that Hitlers ally, Japan invaded Soviet Union as early as 1933 and only stoped attacking after Khalin Khol in 1938
>>68697170
ya, it actually kind of does. Otherwise you get a housing crash
>>68696637
But I'm not a socialist.
>Hurr if you not like me you X
Dysgenics was a mistake. But I see that American education is hard at work.
By the way. More than half of Americans receive public benefits now. And the wealth gap is basically back to robber baron levels. How's that capitalcuckery working out for you?
Also, why are conservatives so fucking lazy?
>>68697315
let it crash.
Because of niggers. Niggers ruin everything.
>>68697315
Every citizen deserves a regular house.
>>68688933
I can give you 40,000,000 reasons why.
>>68696256
>The exact numbers of prisoners in the Gulag
>no (even now)
Historians claim about five million people (more in Siberia not to settle, few roads and camps). American prisons are no better than the Soviet one. Read about Trotsky. His men took positions at the top. They were even in the NKVD (Yezhov), their fault was punished many people. Stalin did not like the work of the NKVD, he was cleaning the rotten structure.
Every youth should get paid trips around the world.
Why do you need to show a picture of America 80 years ago for breadlines? There are breadlines right now in Venezuela.
>>68697257
>ignoring the lovely parade they had in Brest-Litovsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfzJEXZWPfE
Also an interesting thing to watch:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VD11igF7seE
>>68697535
I really don't care, I am not Russian nor conquered by the USSR, their concepts of good and bad don't concern me, you're on your own.
>>68697573
Communism isn't socialism.
>>68697391
But if we did that then the people might be demanding full on communism
>>68697698
Then don't write about something you do not know.
>>68697729
Only Fascism is socialism and follows its purpose, increasing the welfare of the people.
>>68688933
Because we have had the best quality of life and equal to or higher PPP to any class of any country on the planet without it, even the Scandi countries that have it "so good" by giving 55% of their paychecks to the government.
>>68697848
Why? it would reduce communism, what will communists get people to kill and die for, bigger t.v looted?
>>68697571
>America and the UK destroyed this so they could have the privilege of saving kikes and destroying themselves
Well done, angloshits.
>>68697989
30-35%
>>68697989
this is false, socialism is superior, marxism and communism has nothing to do with socialism.
>>68697639
>>68697639
Soviets had to play along because otherwise they would be fighting two front war.
So lt's see
1933 Japan Starts attacking Soviet Union
1938 Khalin Khol
1938 Stalin offers aliance to Britain and France
1936-1939 Proxy war between Soviet Union and Germany in Spain
But muh-muh small parade.
JUst admit you don't understand Geo Politics.
>>68697474
People don't have the right the breath. They have to earn that. Preferably at the minimum-cubic-foot of-oxygen wage
>>68698216
I just want to be left alone, you want the world to carry you :^)
>>68698083
You forgot the extra 20% payroll tax on top of your 30-35% income tax, Olaf.
>>68698111
Limiting personal freedoms and freedom of choice are not superior to anything. Not only this, you're charging people more for the exact same product whether you use it or not. The only thing false is the fact you're presuming objective superiority over a system that has overcome socialism in EVERY SINGLE WAY.
>>68697573
There are breadlines RIGHT NOW IN AMERICA. And shit like this is increasing every single year because the rich simply will not quit raping the economy in the ass while their faggot cheerleaders, the lazy conservashits, preach their gospel.
>>68697639
>ignoring the lovely parade they had in Brest-Litovsk
The Americans did not cooperate with the Germans? =)
Stalin offered Poland a defence against Germany - Poland refused (believed the promises of England). Stalin decided to divide Poland the Germans, and signed a contract with them.
>>68698379
Being of my race and a worker makes you deserve that.
![AErrolMorrisDiasappearingswithStalin[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/vEk0f9E.jpg "AErrolMorrisDiasappearingswithStalin[1]")
>>68697535
>Stalin did not like the work of the NKVD, he was cleaning the rotten structure.
The man who personally signed orders to purchase turbines for electrical stations was "unaware" of the NKVD?
The master of conspiracy unaware?
And Yezhov wasn't the only "rotten" one. Before him there was Yagoda. After him was Beria, the curator of the Mayak nuclear plant/disaster.
Bad people, one after the other, each supposed to be a "cleaner" after the previous one.
A genius leader of the people and somehow he keeps "accidentally stumbling" only on these "bad ones"?
Hahaha!
Why do you even bother, just say you agree with his methods and stop acting like an arab bazar trader trying to sell a dog as a cat.
>>68698416
>2009
>The height of the recession
>Right now
Whoops
>>68698422
>The Americans did not cooperate with the Germans? =)
I don't know, is there video of them parading together after annexing a country in a two pronged attack?
Besides - count the Polish officers who survived German captivity and count the ones who survived Soviet captivity =)
>Stalin offered Poland a defence against Germany
Yeah, those offers really were a bargain.
>>68698516
>I know nothing of politics, the post.
>>68698416
a lot of mexicans what a fucking surprises
>>68695575
im sorry libtard but capitalism plays towards human will and greed. take a high school economics class and you might learn something. until then lurk more and dont be a fucking ignorant faggot
>>68698379
It's a false dichotomy, because I don't believe in non workers being of my nation.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jS4pmfLWiz8
>>68698111
Fuck off JIDF.
>>68692846
I bet it's because they're less obese. I know for a fact that nobody brags about Cuban healthcare.
>>68689990
In America if you don't have two cars and a tv the size of one you're in "poverty."
>>68698131
>1938 Khalin Khol
>otherwise they would be fighting two front war
Kek. Before you accuse others of lacking awareness of Geopolitics, maybe you should understand the concept of "time" first.
>>68698820
>building houses for everyone is communism
good goy, no where did I say the workers wouldn't be paid.
>>68698405
>Limiting personal freedoms and freedom of choice
That's NOT SOCIALISM, you fucking moron. THAT is CAPITALISM. Holy shit this world is totally lost. This can only end in flames if most of the population is so fucking brainwashed it can't tell one thing from its opposite.
You don't even fucking know what socialism is.
>>68698777
Lots of Whites too. America is nearly minority White. What's your point?
>>68698806
>plays towards human will and greed
Yes... I don't see how your comment refuted mine.
"Socialism is not a scary word!"
You're right, but neither is feudalism. They're both still dumb ideas.
Bug off.
>>68688933
Socialism is workers ownership of the means of production. The US is founded on classical liberal principles (i.e. Life, Liberty, Pursuit of Happiness) and because of this, it is inherently capitalistic. That, coupled with the Red Scare (#1 and 2), leads to many, if not most, being scared of Socialism.
>>68698044
Ok, so now we know where your failing in understanding of socialism is.
>>68698516
When was Beria, the number of prisoners has decreased more than 30%. In the USSR, before Beria, was a strong work of U.S. agents and Trotsky. If the foot gangrene - you must remove, otherwise you will die. When you remove the gangrene, you're touching healthy tissue - is unavoidable.
>>68698416
How do they get bread for free in America?
>>68699109
No, you're just a retarded Communist.
>>68693273
Europe doesn't have to provide for it's own military for the most part, it leans on the U.S. for it's defense (see NATO). If all of these socialist utopias in Europe didn't have the U.S. military in their corner things would be quite a bit different.
>>68698968
The hell are you trying to say?
That Japan didin't invaded Soviet Union and only stoped after Stalin and Hitler signed their little threaty?
>>68692758
famous communist, praised by millions of entitled privileged children
>>68699017
>take my money by force to pay for a healthcare system and college for others at a higher premium than before the government fucked it up
>not limiting my personal freedoms or my freedom of choice of opting out of said programs
You don't even know what fucking freedom is you braindead sheep. You want to elect your "socialist" pinko candidate? Go ahead. You'll lose 12% of your paycheck ANNUALLY and even compared to current college tuition and insurance premiums between 21, the average age of career entrance, and 63, the average retirement age, you will lose 2% of your annual earnings FOR SOMETHING YOU ALREADY FUCKING PAY FOR. Jesus Christ. I don't think you people to ANY research AT ALL and you slam others for "lack of knowledge" while being completely incapable of basic fucking math and freedom of choice because you're a fucking imbecile.
>>68699126
>"When you remove the gangrene, you're touching healthy tissue - is unavoidable."
>"When cutting wood, chips fly"
But that is what "gangrene" used to say. :(
>>68698974
Build houses for every white, that's 200 million houses, the rest are to be deported.
>>68699198
Ha, jokes on you, you're a troll
>>68699359
He is a Communist not a Socialist, a Socialist wouldn't bring in more people.
>>68699504
>a Socialist wouldn't bring in more people
Horse shit. Open borders are a prime aspect of socialism. Always have been, always will be. National Socialist, maybe. Socialist? No.
>>68699414
Are you trying to say that only in the Soviet Union were affected innocent people? Study the history of the middle ages...
>>68699610
Not even Socialism, tell me how it's in the economic interest of a socialist to bring in more people.
"capitalism destroys what socialism made rot" Sibylle Berg
>>68699754
Freedom of movement allows for better allocation of labor and thus economic improvement. Sometimes I forget people like you don't actually understand basic macro theory.
>>68699202
americans we get it you got a military,But that is the only thing you got, and you may i ask who we need protection from?
>>68699243
Don't write him, he is idiot.
>>68699895
How is it in the economic interest of a socialist to bring in more people to share resources with and not killing them and taking their land.
>>68688933
>>68699779
>writer, playwright and teacher.
>very authoritative opinion...
>>68700099
No shit Communists want Socialism to be tied to Communism, it's the only way Communism can exist if there isn't a true socialist state.
impossible for communism to exist from socialism.
>>68694368
Is that a fact? My grandmother fled Russia toward the end on WWII because the didn't have any fucking food. She had a younger brother die of starvation. You take this bull shit somewhere else because it flat out isn't true. For the sake of the people living there now I hope it has improved, but I know it living conditions were total dog shit for a long long time.
>>68699754
To get more people to do the bullshit work that you don't want to do. The difference is that with socialism you got to actually pay them
>>68688933
I don't want all my money going to a bunch of uppity niggers.
Socialism works in all white or asian countries, because everyone puts in.
It's a flop in multi-cultural (nig/slime) countries, because they take more than they put in with taxes.
>>68692846
Cubans don't suffer from overeating.
Lmao
>>68700075
>take people's resources
>have no way to extract them because you killed all the labor
Even Hitler wasn't this stupid. It's almost as if he realized what the Spanish and Portuguese figured out in the 16th century or something: You don't kill your fucking labor source.
>These ideas, on taking precise shape, gave birth to two principal currents: Authoritarian Communism and Anarchist Communism; also to a number of intermediary schools bent on finding a way between, such as State Capitalism, Collectivism, Co-operation; among the working masses they created a formidable workers' movement which strives to organise the whole mass of the workers by trades for the struggle against Capital, and which becomes more international with the frequent intercourse between workers of different nationalities. The following three essential points were gained by this immense movement of ideas and of action, and these have already widely penetrated the public conscience:
[1] The abolition of the wage system, the modern form of ancient serfdom,
[2] The abolition of individual property in the means of production, and
[3] The emancipation of the individual and of society from the political machinery, the State, which helps to maintain economic slavery.
>>68700250
you mean taking work and wages+resources from the socialist?
>>68700295
You're retarded.
THIS IS A MOVEMENT! WE WILL NEVER SURRENDER TO THE VIOLENCE AND THREATS FROM THE FASCIST LEFT. THE WORLD NEEDS TRUMP, RIGHT NOW!!!!! https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=a3n45oqSwOI
>>68693504
Who cares whos first? They brought their country into bankruptcy spending the people's into that shit.
>>68700210
Country is fighting in a biggest war of all time.
One woman flees because of lack of food because the country is fighting in a biggest war of all time.
Somehow proves that communism doesen't work
>>68700412
>history is retarded
Wew lad. Keep squirming little worm.
>>68700457
Who gives a shit about what ONE idiot said?
>>68693504
Space X, the privately owned space company, are doing supply runs better than Russia and their technology is significantly better
>The problem became obscured in various ways. When speaking of Communism, most people think of the more or less Christian and monastic and always authoritarian Communism advocated in the first half of this century and practised in certain communities. These communities took the family as a model and tried to constitute "the great Communist family" to "reform man,". To this end, in addition to working in common, they imposed the living closely together like a family, as well as the isolation or separation of the colony from present civilisation. This amounted to nothing less than the total interference of all 'brothers" and "sisters" with the entire private life of each member.
>>68700210
>My grandmother fled Russia toward the end on WWII
>end on WWII
She arrived in the US on a canoe?
In the USSR there was little food in the Second World War, but it is not the fault of the USSR, it is the fault of Hitler and the USA (Stalin 5 times asked to open a second front, but the Americans opened it only in 44-m).
>>68700615
No, you're just completely defeated.
Are you telling me you owning all of Mexico empty is lesser than simply annexing mexico with all its people
>>68688933
>why don't Americans want socialism
>he asks as the European Socialist Union is on the verge of collapse
>>68696596
>Gulgas were banned in 1950'
Tell it to Solzhenitstsyn, who was in the Gulags until 1964.
Never read Gulag Archipelago, I take it?
>>68700700
Or the fault of Jews looting you all then leaving to israel, stupid slave.
>>68693458
>billions
This ideology is pure
>>68700535
You realize that the survival of the USSR was completely dependent upon grain shipments from the US and when the US cut off these shipments in the Carter Administration the entire Eastern Bloc suffered massive food shortages and constant price increases for food, correct?
>>68700714
Unless you have the population to create enough labor to fill Mexico, then yeah, it's annexation is fucking worthless to you. It's fucking stupid. Why do you think the Spanish and Portuguese turned to nigger slaves? Why Hitler didn't just murder all of the Poles? You are a special kind of stupid if you think otherwise.
I don't want to work hard so a bunch of retards can smoke weed all day.
In a socialist society, I wouldn't do shit.
>>68700457
Seriously this i beyond fucking retarted. Millions of people voted FOR preservation of Soviet Union.
Millions of people still miss communism.
No one wanted any 'perestroika'!! No one want's any crapitalism.
http://www.politicsforum.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=145614
>>68700457
the irony is that he would have never been able to dedicate his life to playing chess without communism
>>68700785
>Or the fault of Jews
>Or the fault of Imperial Germany which helped Lenin and Trotsky.
>>68700874
This is about the economic interest of you the socialist not of the capitalists, it is in your economic interest to kill to take land and homes.
>>68699743
>Study the history of the middle ages...
Can't compare "the holy, the paradise, the undivisible" with anything civilized in its own time?
Maybe you are right. "The king(secretary)" issuing general amnesties to entire "years" of criminal prisoners at once was indeed a strange relic of the past.
Most of the revolutionary books were written in the prisons of the "middle ages" Tsarist Russia.
Not much came out of the prison of the workers paradise.. Not even letters.
25+5 without permission to write - what a lovely invention.
But it gave benefit to the Russian culture. All that lovely prison language and customs flowed into the general culture. Now they say mat is a core component of Russian language.
>innocents
Tupolev, Petlyakov, Korolev - just chips from cutting the wood? = )
Sure, Giordano Bruno got burned. But the USSR was supposed to be an improvement over those times. If all it could achive was "as good as the inquisition" then it truly was a letdown of the workers hopes and dreams...
>The bourgeois thoroughly understood the advantages of partial Communism combined with the almost unlimited freedom of the individual in respect to consumption, and in all these institutions for a fixed price per month you will be lodged and fed, with the single exception of costly extras (wine, special apartments) which are charged separately.
>Fire, theft and accident insurance (especially in villages where equality of conditions permits the charge of an equal premium for all inhabitants), the arrangement by which great English stores will supply for 1s. per week all the fish which a small family may consume, clubs, the innumerable societies of insurance against sickness, etc., etc.. This mass of institutions, created during the 19th century, are an approach towards Communism with regard to part of our total consumption.
>Finally, there exists a vast series of municipal institutions - water, gas, electricity, workmen's dwellings, trains with uniform fares, baths, washing houses, etc. - where similar attempts at socialising consumption are being made on an ever increasing scale.
>>68700874
You do not need labor to fill Mexico.
>>68698083
Fucking lying low income scum. 56% for me. Anything over 100k is taxed 56%.
>>68700874
Nice sources.
ALso nice ignoration of the fact that Most of Sovie Union was ice cold tundra and USA has some of most fertile lands in the world.
>>68700812
>60 million in the Gulags.
ЛOЛ, In Yakutsk lives of 300 thousand people...
>>68700736
>Europe
>Socialist
O i am laffin
>>68688933
You end up with a lower class and an upper class, not a great middle.
>>68700535
We didn'the have people starving to death in the US. To the best of my knowledge that wasn'the going on in England either and they were getting the shit bombed out of them. My families story may be anecdotal but you can'take convince me it was isolated.
>>68700125
>writer, playwright and teacher.
um, I actually think YES
>>68701109
Prove it. You've done no such thing. I've given reasoning based on macro theory why you're fucking stupid. You've done nothing of the sort.
>>68701176
>millions of gallons of oil, precious metals add farmland gone to waste because of some idiot
Yeah, you need labor.
>>68701207
http://www.world-grain.com/News/News%20Home/Features/2013/7/The%20inside%20story%20of%20a%20groundbreaking%20trade%20agreement.aspx?cck=1
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1980_grain_embargo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_trade_of_the_Soviet_Union
The Eastern Bloc, particularly Poland and Ukraine, had some of the most fertile farmland in the East. To repeat myself: You're a counter-factual marxist shill. Fuck yourself.
>>68694747
Depends on whom you are defending against.
>>68699017
I am FORCED to pay pension, healthcare and social security. By law. I do or I go to jail. I am not free to kill myself if I want to and save my own money for myself. Anything I earn, not matter how hard I work, is redestributed. I can not give my sons what I earn or what I want, because the state takes it away.
How is that not stealing? How is that not tacking away my freedom?
>>68701002
>No one wanted any 'perestroika'!! No one want's any crapitalism.
Protip: "Perestroika" started before Gorbachev, regardless of "wishes". There was simply no other option.
Andropov and his fellows recognized that "expansive economics" had hit the wall it always does.
The idea of "let's plant as much land with potato as possible" failed to "let's try to get the best yield out of a fixed amount of land".
>These forays into Communism differ from real Communism in many ways; and essentially in the two following; [1] payment in money instead of payment by labour; [2] the consumers have no voice in the administration of the business. If, however, the idea, the tendency of these institutions were well understood, it would not be difficult even today to start by private or public initiative a community carrying out the first principle mentioned. Let us suppose a territory of 500 hectares on which are built 200 cottages, each surrounded by a garden or an orchard of a quarter hectare. The management allows each family occupying a cottage, to choose out of fifty dishes per day what is desired, or it supplies bread, vegetables, meat, coffee as demanded for preparation at home. In return they demand either so much per annum in money or a certain number of hours of work given, at the consumers' choice, to one of the departments of the establishment: agriculture, cattle raising, cooking, cleaning. This may be put in practice tomorrow if required, and we must wonder that such a farm/hotel/garden has not yet been founded by an enterprising hotel proprietor.
>>68701420
>We didn'the have people starving to death in the US.
Yes because the USA was bombed as much as Soviets. ANd winters in USA are as cold as in Russia.
>>68701448
No you do not need it, you would be richer not using any of the oil then having it fully populated.
>>68700700
No smart ass. She fled to Germany, of all places, and managed to get a job on an American army base. It's how she met my grandfather, he was in the Army.
>>68688933
This picture was taken in the aftermath of the 1937 Ohio river flood. It's a line of people waiting for relief after their homes were destroyed.
But dont let that get in the way of your commie bullshit
>>68701636
>You would be richer having none of the resource that you annexed the area for than having the resource that you annexed the area for
This is literally the definition of stupidity.
>>68701633
nobody wants communism you retard
if you really want everyone to share, then you start.
go make a bunch of money, and give it all away to lazy morons.
or are you just hoping that everyone else works hard and gives you the money?
>>68701448
>Tangible effects of the embargo were negligible, with the Soviet Union simply acquiring grain from alternative sources in South America and Europe
>>68701122
>Tupolev, Petlyakov, Korolev - just chips from cutting the wood? = )
Read about the sentences for which they were convicted. Tupolev had large resources, but did not perform the task (the money goes - no technology). A few years in the camp refreshed his mind... He wasn't shot, he left all the credit. He lived a peaceful old age.
>>68701549
That's just your opinion.
>>68701801
Read a book once in a while.
>It will be objected, no doubt, that it is just here, the introduction of labour in common, that Communists have generally experienced failure. Yet this objection cannot stand. The causes of failure have always to be sought elsewhere.
>Firstly, nearly all communities were founded by an almost religious wave of enthusiasm. People were asked to become "pioneers of humanity;" to submit to the dictates of a punctilious morality, to become quite regenerated by Communist life, to give all their time, hours of work and of leisure, to the community, to live entirely for the community.
>This meant acting simply like monks and to demand - without any necessity - men to be what they are not. It is only in quite recent days that communities have been founded by Anarchist working men without any such pretensions, for purely economic purposes - to free themselves from capitalist exploitation.
>The second mistake lay in the desire to manage the community after the model of a family, to make it "the great family" They lived all in the same house and were thus forced to continuously meet the same "brethren and sisters." It is already difficult often for two real brothers to live together in the same house, and family life is not always harmonious; so it was a fundamental error to impose on all the "great family" instead of trying, on the contrary, to guarantee as much freedom and home life to each individual.
>>68688933
>all those nicely dressed colored folk
America at its peak
>>68701801
>communism means that everyone pays into a welfare state
>communists are just lazy
I take it you have never read a page of Marx?
Climatic and geographic factors limit Russia's agricultural activity to about 10 percent of the country's total land area.
United States 16.6%
3.806 million mi2
Russia
6.602 million mi2
>>68702007
How is it not in my economic interest to enslave you?
>>68701633
See England. Not as cold but bomed a hell of a lot worse for as small a country as it is.
>Besides, a small community cannot live long; "brethren and sisters" forced to meet continuously, amid a scarcity of new impressions, end by detesting each other. And if two persons through becoming rivals or simply not liking each other are able by their disagreement to bring about the dissolution of a community, the prolonged life of such communities would be a strange thing, especially since all communities founded up to now have isolated themselves. It is a foregone conclusion that a close association of 10, 20, or 100 persons cannot last longer than three or four years. It would be even regrettable if it lasted longer, because this would only prove either that all were brought under the influence of a single individual or that all lost their individuality. Well, since it is certain that in three, four or five years part of the members of a community would wish to leave, there ought to exist at least a dozen or more federated communities in order that those who, for one reason or other, wish to leave a community may enter another community, being replaced by new comers from other places. Otherwise, the Communist beehive must necessarily perish or (which nearly always happens) fall into the hands of one individual - generally the most cunning of the "brethren".
>>68701447
She knows the economy? She knows politics? She knows the history of the world? She was engaged in infrastructure development? No, Oh sorry...
>>68701420
The United States and England had vast resources it could tap into after the war to prevent that. Honestly it sounds like wealth redistribution to me.
Your family simply migrated to the more successful socialist economy of the time. Which then quietly removed the very systems of economic security that your family came here for. And on top of that, fooled YOU into believing otherwise. lol
It's in my economic interest to kill people and take their houses, long live marx.
all i have to lose are my chains and bourgeois morals.
>>68702102
Exploided the colonies, received aid from the US and generally was less damaged than Soviet Union.
>>68701843
ON THE SOVIET UNION, Meanwhile in the rest of the Eastern Bloc that had their food siphoned by the Soviets:
In the 1970s Poland's government raised food prices while wages stagnated. This (and other stresses) led to the June 1976 protests and subsequent government crackdown on dissent. Groups like the KOR and ROPCIO began to form underground networks to monitor and oppose the government's abusive behavior. Labor unions formed an important part of this network.[7]
In 1979, the Polish economy shrank for the first time since World War II by 2 percent. The foreign debt reached around $18 billion by 1980.[8]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solidarity_(Polish_trade_union)
>>68702274
Holy shit, you're insane.
>>68688933
BECAUSE IT'S A SYSTEMA THAT DOESN'T WORK FOR AMERICA IDIOT, IT'S OBVIOUS, IT WORKED FOR THE POOR GERMANY AFTER WW1 BECAUSE THEY WERE IN BANKRUPCY
>>68696887
Switzerland has one of the highest muslim population. Thei national footbal team is almost all muslims
>On the other hand, it has been proved to conviction that work in common, Communist production, succeeds marvellously. In no commercial enterprise has so much value been added to land by labor as in each of the communities founded in America and in Europe. faults of calculation may occur everywhere as they occur in all capitalist undertakings, but since it is known that during the first five years after their institution four out of every commercial undertakings become bankrupt, it must be admitted that nothing similar or even coming near to this has occurred in Communist communities. So, when the bourgeois press, wanting to be ingenious, speaks of offering an island to Anarchists on which to establish their community, relying on our experience we are ready to accept this proposal, provided only that this island be, for instance, the Isle de France (Paris) and that upon the valuation of the social wealth we receive our share of it. Only, since we know that neither Paris nor our share of social wealth will be given to us, we shall some day take one and the other ourselves by means of the Social Revolution. Paris and Barcelona in 1871 were not very far from doing so - and ideas have made headway since that time.
>>68688933
its probably because socialism didnt make us the most economically powerful nation in the world, but it did make the rest of you faggots so weak
fuck off gommunist
>>68692982
>that whole pic
LMAO
holy shit are all Lithuanians this retarded?
>We have so often demonstrated that State Communism is impossible, that it is useless to dwell on this subject. A proof of this, furthermore, lies in the fad that the believers in the State, the upholders of a Socialist State do not themselves believe in State Communism. A portion of them occupy themselves with the conquest of a share of the power in the State of today - the bourgeois State - and do not trouble themselves at all to explain that their idea of a Socialist State is different from a system of State capitalism under which everybody would be a functionary of the State. If we tell them that it is this they aim at, they are annoyed; yet they do not explain what other system of society they wish to establish. As they do not believe in the possibility of a social revolution in the near future, their aim is to become part of the government in the bourgeois State of today and they leave it to the future to decide where this will end.
>>68702020
Dimensions the USA and dimensions of Russia... In tsarist Russia the tractors were not, they appeared under Stalin...
>>68688933
>Why are Americans scared of socialism
Those black Americans in that pic had a higher standard of living than blacks in Africa.
Literally, every group does better in America than in their home countries. Jews do better in America than Israel. Hindus do extremely better in America. Blacks do better. etc.
>>68702091
Your economic interest is the very problem. Under capitalism whether you consciously know it or not, all the decisions you make are driven by material and financial drives. In the ideal communist society, there would be no state, no money, no private property (that is factories, farms, mines etc. Owned by a few wealthy individuals, not homes toothbrushes cars). The desire to oppress via wages, is fueled by the need for wealth in capitalism.
>>68690510
This. Literally every nigger in America walks around with a $600 smart phone.
>you are now aware that back in 1940 the Soviet government started allowing showings of the American movie The Grapes of Wrath which is about poor people to show the horrors of American capitalism before banning it because Soviet average joes were amazed that poor Americans had cars.
>>68702320
Lose argument
Aguse others of insanity
>Britain didnt steal from colonies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bengal_famine_of_1943
>>68688933
Because government is very inefficient at managing things. With that being said, crony capitalism needs reset, cartels, duopolies and monopolies are rampant. Creating small and medium sized businesses have too much of a barrier to entry. Price gouging your new competition is seen as a strength not an unethical practice. There is plenty wrong with both systems.
>>68702450
Nice arguments.
>>68693727
How do wars in the ME FORCE socialist countries to take in refugees?
Maybe its the fact that socialist countries are all bleeding heart "we must help everyone also our birthrates are shit and we need to import millions of people to keep this ponzi scheme afloat for a little longer"
>>68688933
Why are you too scared to jump in the tiger enclosure?
>>68688933
Jewish socialism (communism) is not the same as Aryan National Socialism
>>68702591
I want to oppress, it's in my economic interest, you have bourgeois morals, only your economic interest is of importance.
>>68701871
>Tupolev
>The money goes - no technology.
And this demands a prison sentence?
A technical development direction proves unperspective - time send those involved to prison? Do you consider this normal practise?
And "money goes" wasn't his only charge. Apparently he had spare time to espionage, sabotage and work with the Russian Fascist Party.
>He left all the credit
After "the Man" had died, though. Tarnishes that "humanism" a bit. And he lost a lot of his colleagues.
>>68702292
>in the 70's Poland had some problems it later overcame'
>It is related to grain embargo that took place one year in the 80's
>>68702007
>>68701936
communism is a pipe dream. It relies on the fact that everyone cares about each other and will willingly work together. never going to happen. The only thing that WILL ever happen is authoritarian socialism, where there is an elite class that controls the government, central bank, and distribution of wealth, and a HUGE lower class full of people who would rather live under capitalism.
That's why people refer to the USSR as communist. Communism doesn't exist.
dont' assume people are less educated than you just because they are capable of seeing the trees for the forest.
>>68701299
Oh and our middle class now is simply flourishing.
>>68702591
I want to take the crops of the producer, I want to take the homes of the builders for myself, I want to take all the means of production for myself, it's in my economic interest, stop with your chains.
It is often used to create a slave-state. Refer to history.
>>68702591
sharing my food is not in my economic interest, sorry bourgeois scum.
>>68702937
And that is exactly why you abolish the state, the government, and the banks, all they do is fuel a new kind of class antagonism.
>>68701936
>That's just your opinion.
Sure, that's why they frantically started to reshape the economy. Because of my opinion in the future.
Anyway- shove a bust of Lenin up your ass.
>>68703149
I want to enslave you to produce my cars, my economic interest.
>>68703149
yeah abolish the state, the government, and the banks, and then what happens?
people want protection and security, so they organize and create their own structure, police force, courts.
Oh and then people don't know how to exchange labor, so they create money, and they need a place to organize the exchange of money, so banks pop back up again.
And then what do you know, government all over again.
The only way to have anarcho-communism is if everyone agrees to kill anyone who disagrees, which in itself would lead to a form of government.
Leftists are retarded.
>>68703258
Why enslave people to make cars when cars, and the production of them is slowly becoming more and more automated? In fact why enslave people to do any work that machines will be capable of in a few short years?
>>68703178
Who cares what Gorbachev did? No one liked him.
And feel free to shove bust of one of pic related up yours.
>>68702954
I'm aware it isn't, but do you really think socialism is the answer? Bring production back to America. Ditch the illegals working under the table. Ditch H1b replacement workers. Make America Great Again.
>>68703384
because I like having slaves, it gives joy to me, same thing wealths purpose is for and why you desire it.
>>68702903
If there is a war for survival, then Yes, this is normal. Tupolev worked at the prison ... (to whom I write, you surrendered without a fight...).
>The USSR.
>Shot or put in prison "the best shots".
>1941-th year.
>The USSR has the best heavy tanks KV-1.
>4 years alone will stand against the best army in the World
>Saves the world from total annihilation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qxx9l5IHwTc
>>68702591
>Under capitalism whether you consciously know it or not, all the decisions you make are driven by material and financial drives
You stupid fucking gook. That is evolution. Humans are driven by self interest because that helps self preservation. Self preservation means propagation of the species. The very thing we humans exist for.
As we are rational beings, we realise the more means we have, the lickelier it is to survive. So we take more for ourselves.
You are literally asking humans to abandon self preservation. Stupid fucking moron.
>>68703149
Me and this guy >>68703258 are gonna gang up and subjugate you to be our slave. 2>1 and we can keep that tread going until your utopian anarchy is driven to despotism.
>Understanding liberty in this sense - and we doubt whether a larger and at the same time a more real definition of it can be found - we may say that Communism can diminish, even annihilate, all individual liberty and in many Communist communities this was attempted; but it can also enhance this liberty to its utmost limits.
>All depends on the fundamental ideas on which the association is based. It is not the form of an association which involves slavery; it is the ideas of individual liberty which we bring with us to an association which determine the more or less libertarian character of that association.
>This applies to all forms of association. Cohabitation of two individuals under the same roof may lead to the enslavement of one by the will of the other, as it may also lead to liberty for both. The same applies to the family or to the co-operation of two persons in gardening or in bringing out a paper. The same with regard to large or small associations, to each social institution. Thus, in the tenth, eleventh and twelfth centuries, we find communes of equals, men equally free - and four centuries later we see the same commune calling for the dictatorship of a priest. Judges and laws had remained; the idea of the Roman law, of the State had become dominant, whilst those of freedom, of settling disputes by arbitration and of applying federalism to its fullest extent had disappeared; hence arose slavery. Well, of all institutions or forms of social organisation that have been tried until this day, Communism is the one which guarantees the greatest amount of individual liberty - provided that the idea that begets the community be Liberty, Anarchy.
>>68703433
National Socialism, deport all the non whites, bring back all the production, start building factories, houses, and projects, start conquering land and deporting the conquered elsewhere.
Guys lets all jump on the socialism bandwagon, what could go wrong? Soviet Union was very strong, no one starved that is only Western pig capitalist propaganda, Stalin is my daddy I want a strong Georgian Arab to rule over me and my shit little country called Lithuania cause no one in real life likes me, pls daddy socialism take care of me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOBFMMbUFI8
>>68703149
What if I just bash your head in and take your shit? No state to prevent me, and I have the strength and or charisma to sway the group my way.
Guess it sucks to be you.
>>68702652
Berniefags want us to go back to the dark ages.
They keep complaining about income inequality, even though the poor keep getting richer in absolute terms.
>>68703629
get everybody back to work and exterminate marxism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wELrtx8NxoU
>>68688933
Yes because look at the track record of countries that tried to come socialist. USSR all but went into the crapper, people fucking starving to death and breadlines. Look at North Korea where has free healthcare (which is a joke), everyone has a job (well connected people get the easy jobs), if no one wants to work everyone will starve so they have forced employment and hard labor camps, free this free that.
These socialist commie shit never take into account that people are inherently greedy. Everyone wants resources, food/water/shelter. People are also inherently lazy. Why do work if everything is promised to you?
>inb4 north korea isn't socialist cause they have a dictator
Yes because countries are headless states like headless chickens with no one at the helm to make the tough decisions. Even communes, the big decisions are made by the most powerful influences in the group (people with the most pull and the most friends).
If socialism and communism is so great, why not join a commune? Get assigned to some job you don't want to do cause food (everyone starves) and land taxes aren't paid if you don't do work. Everyone will want the easy jobs. That's why the commune leave rate is high and most liberal commie socialist fags won't even join one in the first place.
>The questions to be put are usually of voluntary elaboration (by scientists, statistical societies), and the work of statistical bureaus consists today in Distributing the questions, in arranging and mechanically summing up the replies. To reduce the State, the governments to this function and to say that, by "government", only this will be understood, means nothing else (if said sincerely) but an honourable retreat. And me must indeed admit that the Jacobins of thirty years ago have immensely gone back from their ideals of dictatorship and Socialist centralisation. No one would dare to say today that the production or consumption of potatoes or rice must be regulated by the parliament of the German People's State (Volksstaat) at Berlin. These insipid things are no longer said.
>The Communist state is an Utopia given up already by its own adherents and it is time to proceed further. A far more important question to be examined, indeed, is this: whether Anarchist or Free Communism does not also imply a diminution of individual freedom?
>As a matter of fact, in all discussions on freedom our ideas are obscured by the surviving influence of past centuries of serfdom and religious oppression.
>>68703464
>>68703547
And what happens when you have enslaved a significant number of people, and they outnumber you and your group of slavers? What happens when they gain access to weapons? What happens when your circle of slavers doesn't have a group of individuals willing to die for you?
What happens when people realize they don't want or need someone like you?
>>68703364
>people want protection and security, so they organize and create their own structure, police force, courts.
Have you ever thought, maybe (just maybe), that a big reason we have crime is for the exact reason that people are poor?
stormfaggots are tragically ignorant
>>68703833
Socialism is just giving shit, not changing or destroying any systems of production, owners still exist etc..
>>68694165
I don't think those words mean what you think they mean.
But I guess living in an information bubble can make that happen.
>>68703514
>self preservation.
>build a Palace for himself
With this money you can build an apartment and split the remaining money between the hunger strikers. To save more people.
>>68703956
????
the reason we have crime is because nobody cares about other people.
I want your shit and there's nobody to stop me. Say goodnight, nerd.
>>68703966
we just want everyone to have jobs, a home, and for the taxes to be used for the betterment of the nation.
>>68703819
>back to work
>>68703433
I don't want socialism, just some socialistic influence. Why are we afraid of more affordable healthcare? More affordable education? Even with "good" insurance I can't afford to go to the doctor because my deductible is high as fuck. Meanwhile in other first world countries you can get surgeries cheaper than an MRI over here.
Yet cucks like you sit here and blame the poor and illegals when folks are profiting from what makes the middle class poor and these same folks are convincing you not to blame them (even when they're making enough for several lifetimes off of you) blame over poor people.
It would cost more to build and maintain a wall than what illegals costs us.
>>68703902
>And what happens when you have enslaved a significant number of people, and they outnumber you and your group of slavers?
Rome would happen. I.e. we would rule for fucking centuries until the barbarians overhtrow us. Because the slaves fear us. Because every slaver society in history has been overthrown by an outside foce, not the slaves.
Basically proving Marx and his proletarian class strugle to be bullshit. The workers never revolted, ever.
>>68701016
what do you mean?
>>68704166
Get those jews the fuck out of my country.
race and nation is the first priority.
>>68703902
Then you can break your chains and create your utopian dream land once again for it to be susceptible for the cycle to repeat itself. Liberty requires eternal vigilance. Anarchy doesn't promote liberty, it promotes a power vacuum that is susceptible to human nature of greed and dominance. What do you have to curb that very real desire?
>>68704025
I dont care about other people and would rather see them die. What now, Russki pochol?
>Communism is capable of assuming all forms of freedom or of oppression which other institutions are unable to do. It may produce a monastery where all implicitly obey the orders of their superior, and it may produce an absolutely free organisation, leaving his full freedom to the individual, existing only as long as the associates wish to remain together, imposing nothing on anybody, being anxious rather to defend, enlarge, extend in all directions the liberty of the individual. Communism may be authoritarian (in which case the community will soon decay) or it may be Anarchist. The State, on the contrary, cannot be this. It is authoritarian or it ceases to be the State.
>Communism guarantees economic freedom better than any other form of association, because it can guarantee wellbeing, even luxury, in return for a few hours of work instead of a day's work. Now, to give ten or eleven hours of leisure per day out of the sixteen during which we lead a conscious life (sleeping eight hours), means to enlarge individual liberty to a point which for thousands of years has been one of the ideals of humanity.
>This can be done today in a Communist society man can dispose of at least ten hours of leisure. This means emancipation from one of the heaviest burdens of slavery on man. It is an increase of liberty.
>>68703629
Jesus Christ no. Go outside anon.
>>68704240
You too belong to inferior race. Negroes are not Aryans...
>>68704302
Go be Communist somewhere else we will see if it's good.
>>68704092
>we this
>we that
In socialism, you don't get to speak for everyone. There is no leader. Everyone and their mamas have their own opinions. Nothing gets done.
>>68704330
Yes, anon YES.
>Communism, being an eminently economic institution, does not in any way prejudice the amount of liberty guaranteed to the individual, the initiator, the rebel against crystallising customs. It may be authoritarian, which necessarily leads to the death of the community, and it may be libertarian, which in the twelfth century even under the partial communism of the young cities of that age, led to the creation of a young civilisation full of vigour, a new springtide of Europe.
>The only durable form of Communism, however, is one under which, seeing the close contact between fellow men it brings about, every effort would be made to extend the liberty of the individual in all directions.
>Under such conditions, under the influence of this idea, the liberty of the individual, increased already by the amount of leisure secured to him, will be curtailed in no other way than occurs today by municipal gas, the house to house delivery of food by great stores, modern hotels, or by the fact that during working hours we work side by side with thousands of fellow labourers.
>With Anarchy as an aim and as a means, Communism becomes possible. Without it, it necessarily becomes slavery and cannot exist.
>>68704217
Check out the overthrowing of Hippias and Cleisthenes' rise to power. It doesn't happen often, but sometimes people get sick of the patricians' bullshit.
>>68704441
In Socialism there is leaders, you're speaking of Communism.
>>68704217
First
>Rome fell because of the barbarians
Second
>The workers never revolted, ever
So the Bolshevik revolution, the Chinese revolution, the Cuban revolution, the Knights of Labor, Harlan County, Yugoslavia, the AFL, none of these EVER happened?
>>68704292
What if I were to tell you that "human nature" changes based on the conditions humans are placed in?
>>68704293
If they die - they will come to your house. In addition, how many talented scientists can emerge from these dying people? Maybe in 30-40 years, they will solve all the world's problems...
>>68704535
>patricians fighting amongst one another
>"working class overthrowing their masters"
And even if you did succed, then what? The next bigger guy comes and bashes your brain in to steal your shit.
Humans are not altruists. We are egoists. There will always be people who want more. Communism is a pipe dream.
>>68704617
None of those were worker revolts, fidel castro is not a worker and neither are the party members.
>>68703469
And we finally arrive at the conclusion that, in the opinion of the casual ruposter, human resources management with the scheme of "cattle" was in fact a genius policy by Stalin and not an "accident" by Yezhov or whoever at the moment held the Nagant.
Now if your kind could just straight away say what you actually think instead of going about this long circle of
-nothing bad happened
-something bad accidentally happened
-something bad willingly happened,but some good also
-it was all actually a good plan
You would be alright to talk to. Why have this wierd fetish of pretending to be the Russian foreign ministry, who can't say things because of diplomatical reasons?
>>68704735
Not arguing for communism, the result there was direct democracy. Just saying, sometimes the people with no say and no stake in anything DO get sick of being kept down.
>>68704753
Really, the union members protesting the conditions of their labor, none of them were revolting? The prole working in a Moscow factory, who then marched, and fought with other workers, he wasn't revolting. Denial of the facts does not change them.
>>68704617
>bolshevik ""workers"" revolution
the bolsheviks were jewish outsiders who wanted power.
>>68704617
>Bolshevik revolution
German funded, even let Lenin through. Else it would have been some reform here and there.
>chinese revolution
Which one?
>cuban revolution
Outside revolutianeries funded by the USSR, not the people.
>yugoslavia
Genocidal maniacs fighting for race, where the fuck do you see "labourers fighting the oligarchs"?
>
>>68704712
What if I just dont fucking care and am a selfish asshole? What if 90-% of people act like me (which they will)
>>68704617
What if I were to tell you that "human nature" changes based on the conditions humans are placed in?
Prove how you will get rid of me or any future person to want to dominate others, people who have existed in all of the history of the species since the first living cell.
My friends. You see communism only from the point of view of requirements, but not from the point of view of survival. After a few hundred years on Earth would be 20 billion people. All they want to eat, want to clothes, want to live in the apartment. Capitalism will not solve these problems.
