Polish genocide of ethnic Germans
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OK /pol/, it's time to settle this once and for all.
Every time the topic of WW2 comes up, Stormfags whine about how "Poles murdered the ethnic Germans", and therefore provoked the war. Oddly enough, there is not a single piece of information about this alleged "genocide", aside from some hardcore Stormfag forums - neither on Wikipedia, nor on any other internet database. Most of forums I've looked through, even nationalist ones, disregard this as German propaganda.
So, my question - is there any ACTUAL proof of this alleged slaughter, or can we end this meme once and for all?
>>67784538
>So, my question - is there any ACTUAL proof of this alleged slaughter, or can we end this meme once and for all?
Yes there is, here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Himmler
>>67784538
There's no proof of "genocide" but lots of mistreatement and murder
>>67784538
Propaganda and an out of context quote, very honest.
>>67785477
>There's no proof of "genocide" but lots of mistreatement and murde
Provide it then.
>>67785360
>wiki says its a false flag
Requesting the video of ADL kikes saying they want to control wikipedia to """""""""""""fight anti-semitism"""""""""""""
>>67785599
http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Polish_persecution_of_Germans_in_Poland_prior_to_World_War_2
>>67784538
Oi! mate, never forget the 6 million sauerkrauts.
>>67785644
It''s not a false flag, it's one of the more easily debunked lies of WW2
>looking for proof on ethnic Germans genocide
>on wikipedia which ironically is biggest work of the "engligened"
Jews wouldn't spill a word
>>67785703
I don't see any camps or corpses supporting this.
>>67785789
It's a schwaben shoah!
>>67785360
>cooperation Himmler is a false flag
>sandy hook isnt
>>67784538
>apfelstrudel auschwitz
>bratwurst birkenau
>>67785644
Of course, but Operation Himmler is a confirmed false flag operation carried out by the Germans.
>>67785703
>4 Sources of the article
>The only actual source is German Foreign Office on
Wow, what an overwhelming and unbiased evidence, especially when >>67785360 is taken into account.
Also, let's take at the "atrocities" committed by Poles:
>minority German, was attacked by members of the Polish Reservists Association, and so brutally manhandled that he had two ribs fractured . For weeks he had to stay in bed and was unfit for work.
>an attack was made on several young minority Germans of Piaski in the district of Schwetz. Eckert, a minority German, was so badly injured that he was left lying unconscious. Oswald Frey, another minority German, of Schonreich had several teeth knocked out
Oy vey, what a shoah. Is that your alleged "genocide"? There is not a single mention of the murders.
This is a list of common ethnic discords happening on Polish soil at the time. Nothing unusual, given that much worse things were happening between Poles and Jews or Poles and Ukrainians than just single cases of street fights. No direct organized action was ever taken by the Polish government against the German citizens.
And in comparsion how Polish minority was treated in Germany at the same time - it's a complete joke.
>>67784538
genocide is a huge word thrown around, especially if one compares the "genocide of ethnic germans" to the death toll of WW2 or so holohoax. So i wouldn´t call the stuff that happened in poland prior to the war a genocide.
starting 1920 and onward, the land of ethnic german farmers was taken piece by piece. Also their schools were closed down (german language was also made illegal? not sure). so up to the point of 1939 the living conditions worsened steadily so that the german were made to feel unwelcome. this peaked right before the war, when poland mobilized against danzig (nearly 400k citizens, 95% german) and also against germany. Goebbels told the media not to report any happenings in poland so that the german population wouldn´t get mad at poland, they wanted peace after all (inb4 dindu nuffin).
So what happened in the end in poland wasn´t a planned genocide, it was just lots of murder (ranging from 1000-80.000, the 80k of course way overestimated). These murders were done by the polish population out of hate for several reasons:
>british intelligence had infiltrated the polish public and armed a militia and produced anti german propaganda. so weapons and hate given to civilians
>anti german and extremely imperialistic propaganda given out by the polish government, either via print media or radio (polish government thought this will go well because britain said "we´ll help you" knowing full well that they couldn´t do shit to really support poland)
>on purpose, the brits pushed poland to agitate germany so that the war starts. the brits and US even knew of the german-soviet pact to split poland (was signed 2 weeks before the war, the pact was of soviet origin, not german) and still didn´t tell poland because they knew: if poland knows the soviets and germans will come if shit starts, poland will negotiate and no war starts.
Here's a better question. Who the fuck cares? Who cares? Fuck off with nazi bullshit. Nazis have been gone for 70 years. They are never coming back.
What do you want, do you want white people to have a right to exist, or is your life long goal to clear the name of papa Hitler?
Both Liberals and Alt-Right should be mocked for bringing up Hitler. There's no difference between you people and some old fart who thinks he saw Jesus on a piece of toast.
Give it a rest.
>>67787412
you stupid fuck, history runs in circles, learn from it.
>>67787121
>No citation
Also
>>british intelligence had infiltrated the polish public and armed a militia and produced anti german propaganda. so weapons and hate given to civilians
Kek, that sound like some serious tinfoil stuff.
>>67784538
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
>>67787121
In the end it was full retard propaganda by the polish government and precise propaganda by british intelligence that got part of the polish population/armed milita so mad that they started killing germans. It was no planned genocide or stuff like this, it was "just" murder.
the polish propaganda was constant and peaked right before the war. Even one day before it started, august 31st, they told that the invasion of germany started and berlin will fall within 2 weeks. newspapers also printed maps of new borders, dreaming of a french-polish border at the elbe and even a polish-japanese border at the ural.
If someone would have told the polish government the real strength of germany and soviets and would they have known british intelligence is influencing the masses trough planted agents and weapons, shit would have went differently. they probably would have went for peace with germany and an alliance against the soviets which would have forced britain to take a peaceful stance towards germany.
in the end, through false or withheld information by the brits (and also US), poland was baited into giving in to it´s imperialistic desires and was sacrificed as a means to start the war. britain knew full well that they can´t help poland and that it will be overrun rather quick.
>>67784538
>ending memes by posting on 4chan
You must be new here. All you can do is create memes, memes cannot be destroyed.
>>67785808
you've never seen any camps or corpses in real life, and all pictures can be photoshopped. So nobody has ever been murdered.
>>67784538
>"Poles murdered the ethnic Germans"
i have never heard of this before
>>67787624
>>67787121
based hans
>>67786672
>Wow, what an overwhelming and unbiased evidence, especially when >>67785360 (You) is taken into account.
He's an literal idiot.
>>67786672
>The only actual source is German Foreign Office on
>Wow, what an overwhelming and unbiased evidence
And post war victor propaganda and kangaroo trials are unbiased in your mind?
They had the documentation,the images and invited foreign press to some of the more gruisome scenes.
That wikipedia article is the most easily debunked lie in WW2, they didn't even use the "Gleiwitz incident" as propaganda, it's pure horseshit
>>67784538
Poland dindu nuffin he was a good boy
Bromberger blutsonntag didn't happen. Poles just visited bromberg church.
>>67787624
>part of the polish population/armed milita so mad that they started killing germans
>Still no citation
Also
>the polish propaganda was constant and peaked right before the war
As a response to the German propaganda directed towards Poland.
The fact is: Hitler demanded a part of Polish soil. Poland refused. Hitler started the war. That's the whole story. Britain didn't "bait" Hitler into invading Poland, it was his own personal decision.
>>67787799
A myth goes on neo-Nazi forums like stormfront that Poland (government) killed about 60,000 Germans civilians on its soil prior to Germany invading Poland... Like seriously >>67785360...
>>67786534
>implying both sides weren't trying to false flag each other so they wouldn't be punished when the guns started going off
>>67788020
>Bromberger blutsonntag
Lol, more Poles died in Bydgoszcz than Germans, and this incident was instigated by Germans, again, part of Operation Himmler.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
>>67788056
Not a myth.
Get back to /r/shitwehraboossay
>>67788056
dont you usually post with "Poland" name? I see you everywhere when theres polish history mentioned.
>>67788017
>And post war victor propaganda and kangaroo trials are unbiased in your mind?
I could provide you like 100 sources proving German atrocities, you are unable to provide me one solid one about alleged Polish "genocide".
It's pathetic. Just stop.
>>67787528
All you can learn from it is that victors write history. That's it.
Nazism is not relevant in any way whatsoever. What is relevant is Marxist history that is repeating itself right now as we speak.
There's nothing you can gain from talking about how maybe the poles murdered germans, but maybe they didn't, and Winston declared war on Germany, but maybe there's more to it etc. Who cares? How is this going to help you protect the right to self-determination?
We can create something new without invoking someone who has been dead for 70 years. Quite frankly I don't care if Hitler was an angel and holocaust didn't happen. Holocaust happened? I still want my self-determination. Holocaust didn't happen? I still want my self-determination.
You've all fallen in the Liberal trap. They tell you that you can't have what you want because Hitler, so instead of saying ''no, that makes no sense, I still want what I want'' you defend Hitler and debate over what he has done.
Come on, guys.
>>67784538
Wasn't it something about land disputes, especially near Danzig, that was the excuse for going in?
>>67788153
"operation himmler" did not exist you fucking retard, it's post war victor propaganda part of the "blame it all on Germany" campaign and white washing Stalins and American crimes
>>67788235
Hitler wanted to take the Danzig (declared a Free State after WW1) and exterritorial corridor between Germany and Eastern Prussia. Poland didn't agree.
Also, if you don't take Nazi sources even by a small margin serious, but instead Polish ones, you can always ask Adolf Hitler for an unbiased source on the holocaust since he governed it at the time.
>>67788188
>It's pathetic. Just stop.
You started the thread you fucking imbecil, were you just looking for validation of your shithole of a country?
I never said it was a genocide but a lot of abuse and murder, well documented with images and to some stuff foreign press was invited. That it was a false flag is completely unsubstanited and false, and it doesn't fit the propaganda from Hitler or German media at the time.
>>67788033
>As a response to the German propaganda directed towards Poland. The fact is: Hitler demanded a part of Polish soil. Poland refused. Hitler started the war. That's the whole story. Britain didn't "bait" Hitler into invading Poland, it was his own personal decision.
sorry but your histoy knowledge is utter SHIT and your twisting the facts already. i wrote that the brits baited poland into agitating germany, not that the brits baited hitler into invading poland, huge difference.
>german propaganda directed towards poland
as i said, the german population didn´t receive much propaganda, goebbels told the media to not publish stuff that it going on in poland so that the civilians keep calm. there wasn´t much "anti polish propaganda" going on and if it was, it certainly didn´t start more than 4 weeks before the war while that anti german propaganda of poland was going on for month, maybe even years.
>Hitler demanded a part of Polish soil.
it was not about soil, the final negotiations were about a autobahn and another train to danzig and prussia, fully paid by german. this decision was to be made by the allies. if they decided "pro poland", than germany could get an autobahn to prussia, if the allies decided "pro germany", then some land would be given to germany for the autobahn etc, but poland will also given an autobahn and train to the sea (also paid by germany) and poland can also use the harbor in danzig. hitler did not "demand" anything, he wanted to negotiate. since poland removed their diplomat from berlin, all negotiations went from germany to london which forwarded the information to poland. these last desires for negotiaten were stalled on purpose by the british foreign minister halifax and he even forged documents saying that he forwarded the german desires for negotiations to poland.... he didn´t. the messages were stalled for 5 days and so hitler thought "ok poland doesn´t wanna talk, race war now" and the invasion began.
>>67787601
>Not a single source or citation
>A bunch of photos of beaten and dead people without context
>90% of article about things happening already after WW2 broke out and more "muh Britain baited Hitler into doing it" stuff
Kek, seems even more credible than >>67785703
>>67788168
Then give proofs of this alleged MUH 60,000 GAZZILION INNOCENTH CIVILIEN GERMS
>>67788181
Usually.
>>67788262
>"operation himmler" did not exist
What a fucking retard. You totally discredited yourself now. Discarded.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/12-20-45.asp
You know, okay... Let's hypothetically say it didn't happen. But:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jabłonków_Incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gleiwitz_incident
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stodoły,_Rybnik
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Sunday_(1939)
All happened.
>>67786534
Wasn't that confirmed at Nuremburg under shitty forced confessions?
>>67788188
Lol I've been following this thread to see if there would be an sources or citations to prove this claim. They seem to be dodging you my Polack friend.
>>67788235
That was just a pretext. Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact was already signed days before Hitler started talking about Gdansk for real and the 16 step plan.
>German hegemony over Central Europe was also at stake. In private, Hitler revealed in May that Danzig was not the real issue to him, but pursuit of Lebensraum for Germany.
>>67789206
It was confirmed at Nurnberg by multiple SS and Wehrmacht officers. I posted there the link to one day of these talks where the Gleiwitz incident (Operation Himmler) was mentioned etc.
>>67789053
http://www.jrbooksonline.com/polish_atrocities.htm
>>67789295
>muh Hitler wanted to conquer the entire world
>muh lebensraum
>look at this plan that never existed
>>67789053
>nuremberg trial
>credible
Fucking hilarious. It's the biggest cangaroo trial in history, it's sole purpose was to put all the blame on Germany.
You have no idea the shit they pulled, some of the braver press and judges called it a mockery of justice
>>67788511
>I never said it was a genocide but a lot of abuse and murder
And I already told you even if stuff like this happened, it was from both sides, not only between Poles and Germans, not a coordinated action taken by Polish government in any form, Poles in 3rd Reich were given much worse treatement state-wise, and there is no way Hitler could use this as an actual excuse of invading Poland.
>well documented with images
You didn't post a single one
>That it was a false flag is completely unsubstanited and false, and it doesn't fit the propaganda from Hitler or German media at the time
Gleiwitz incident, the very event Hitler used as a direct excuse of war, was confirmed German false flag.
>>67784538
>Stormfags whine about how "Poles murdered the ethnic Germans", and therefore provoked the war.
I don't why murdering ethnic Germans in Polish clay is a problem.
Say I'm a US despot and I decided to murder everyone of Russian descent in the US. That's my right because they're in my land, and I decide whether they live or they die. And if Russia gets all uppity, I guess they're next. No one will tell me what to do within my own borders.
So the Poles had every right to murder who the hell they want. Didn't Germany do the same thing?
>>67788727
>i wrote that the brits baited poland into agitating german
And yet it was Hitler who demanded the Polish land and started the war.
>as i said, the german population didn´t receive much propaganda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Themes_in_Nazi_propaganda#Poles
>In the spring of 1939, just before the invasion of Poland, a major anti-Polish campaign was launched, asserting such claims as forced labor of ethnic Germans, persecution of them, Polish disorder, Poles provoking border incidents, and aggressive intentions from its government.[148] Newspapers wrote copiously on the issue.[140] In such films as Heimkehr, depicted Polish ethnic Germans as deeply persecuted—often with recognizable Nazi tactics[86]—and the invasion as necessary to protect them.[149]
>In attempts to try and justify the Nazis invasion of Poland, Goebbels produced photographs and other evidence for allegations that ethnic Germans had been massacred by Poles.[150]
>it was not about soil, the final negotiations were about a autobahn and another train to danzig and prussia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II#European_occupations_and_agreements
>Greatly alarmed and with Hitler making further demands on the Free City of Danzig, Britain and France guaranteed their support for Polish independence
>In August 1939, Germany and the Soviet Union signed the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact,[53] a non-aggression treaty with a secret protocol. The parties gave each other rights to "spheres of influence" (western Poland and Lithuania for Germany; eastern Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Bessarabia for the USSR). It also raised the question of continuing Polish independence.[54]
>The situation reached a general crisis in late August as German troops continued to mobilise against the Polish border.
>>67790162
Would you be okay if Russia conquers your west coast and did that to American people?
>>67784538
Who cares.
The fact Germans became nazis proved they deserved it and absolves Poland of any guilt even if they did kill Germans.
>>67789728
>Fucking hilarious. It's the biggest cangaroo trial in history, it's sole purpose was to put all the blame on Germany.
Yes, because the Soviet Union wasn't trailed together with them.
>>67789684
>>look at this plan that never existed
This fucking idiot:
Already in 1937(!):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Prosecution_Book-Poland
Then:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intelligenzaktion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenberg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_AB-Aktion_in_Poland
And:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wola_massacre
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ochota_massacre
Ultimate goal:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost
>>67788727
>>67790235
Cont.
>In a private meeting with the Italian foreign minister, Count Ciano, Hitler asserted that Poland was a "doubtful neutral" that needed to either yield to his demands or be "liquidated" to prevent it from drawing off German troops in the future "unavoidable" war with the Western democracies. He did not believe Britain or France would intervene in the conflict.[55]
> On 23 August Hitler ordered the attack to proceed on 26 August, but upon hearing that Britain had concluded a formal mutual assistance pact with Poland and that Italy would maintain neutrality, he decided to delay it.[56] In response to British demands for direct negotiations, Germany demanded on 29 August that a Polish plenipotentiary immediately travel to Berlin to negotiate the handover of Danzig and the Polish Corridor to Germany as well as to agree to safeguard the German minority in Poland. The Poles refused to comply with this request and on the night of 30–31 August in a violent interview with Neville Henderson, Ribbentrop declared that Germany considered its proposals rejected
>>67790042
>the very event Hitler used as a direct excuse of war
A fucking lie he never once mentioned that incident by name.
Here's what he said in his declaration
These proposals for mediation have failed because in the meanwhile there, first of all, came as an answer the sudden Polish general mobilization (Aug. 30), followed by more Polish atrocities. These were again repeated last night (Aug. 31). Recently in one night there were as many as twenty-one frontier incidents: last night there were fourteen, of which three were quite serious. I have, therefore, resolved to speak to Poland in the same language that Poland for months past has used toward us. This attitude on the part of the Reich will not change.
Further on in his speech, Hitler said
This night for the first time Polish regular soldiers fired on our territory. Since 5:45 A.M. we have been returning the fire, and from now on bombs will be met by bombs.
You live in a fucking propaganda fantasy cooked up at cangaroo trials.
Also your country is still shit
>>67790369
Generalplan Ost was what I referenced.
There's no such thing.
>all the others
Poles deserved it after crimes :^).
>>67790410
>These proposals for mediation have failed because in the meanwhile there
These 16 alleged (peace) offers proposed first by Hitler on the 30th of August, 1939 was a total pretext. Hitler already signed the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact (invasion of Poland) with the USSR a month ago and Nazi Germany were preparing for war for months.
>>67790930
>Poles deserved it after crimes :^).
There were no Polish massacre crimes on the German population you liar.
And no, you deserve everything you Nazis got in WW2, but you deserved much much more. Now I'm really happy that the Jews are destroying your country and nation with mass immigration. I'm joyful in fact.
>>67790410
See >>67790042 and >>67790235
>>67784538
No evidence. Prior to literally every unprovoked Kraut invasion of a neighbouring country Goebbels ran propaganda campaigns claiming genocides of ethnic Germans were being carried out in order to keep the public pro-war.
>>67790973
>Hitler already signed the Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact (invasion of Poland) with the USSR a month ago and Nazi Germany were preparing for war for months.
Should have signed the anti-comintern pact instead
>>67791086
So there where no expulsions and revenge crimes of Germans in Poland? Looks like all these Germans that lived there just vanished.
>>67787412
>Here's a better question. Who the fuck cares?
I care because the modern Nazi sympathizers try to leak German whitewashing propaganda as a "redpill" on /pol/ and the main (and only real) excuse they are making every time for Hitler starting the war is accusing Poland of alleged "atrocities".
It bothers me obviously, because thre are a lot of uneducated people from Western countries especially who could swallow those lies.
all these links to wikipedia. toppest of fucking keks.
>>67791279
>expulsions and revenge crimes
Carried out by Soviets, not by Poles.
>>67791461
Well, I think it is a good thing that people on /pol/ are educated about Panslavist lies.
>>67791569
I'm talking about the ones in West Prussia and the ones following the annexation of the Sudetenland.
>>67791583
>Panslavist
Panslavism is Russian propaganda, Hans.
I don't like Russia either. I care about the fact that Stormfags try to push the responsibility of war outbreak on Poland.
>>67791506
It's okay Hans. The Red Pill is hard to swallow, but once you already see through Goebbels lies, life will be much easier for you, I promise :^)
>>67791569
regarding history, poland really is the greatest dindu of all times. have never seen someone actually know the stuff that was going on in poland (especially the propaganda part). there are only polish guys looking at the stuff that supposedly didn´t happen yet have no knowledge about the things that did happen.
>as if the supposed killings of a few hundred or thousand people was the major point it was all about.
especially looking only at the stuff from poland and germany and then trying to explain anything about the beginning of WW2, usually ignoring all the other countries especially british influence which handled all german-polish diplomacy for the last 6 month prior to the war.
>cherry picked incidents that are supposed to give a clear picture
>citing jewpedia
>not posting entire books where one might be able to get knowledge.
Hitler dindu nuffin, nazis were good good bois, dey just wanted lebensraum n sheet
>>67791279
>So there where no expulsions and revenge crimes of Germans in Poland?
You retarded or something. Are we talking about pre-1939 or post-1944 now?
>>67791506
You realise wikipedia has sources and literature at the bottom rite?
>>67791728
You don't have zero responsibillity either.
>>67791945
Tell me more about our history.
>>67791815
http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_antideutscher_Gewalt_von_Polen
>>67792168
The ones pre-1939
>>67790410
>>67789728
anyone else get annoyed when irrelevant countries talk shit, I mean seriously can we just laugh at macedonia for even trying to compare themsselves to alexander the great?
>>67787412
>What do you want, do you want white people to have a right to exist, or is your life long goal to clear the name of papa Hitler?
As long as this myth exists then leftists are going to use it as precedent for other anti-white shit.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2014/06/the-case-for-reparations/361631/
Besides, even if you think Germans are evil cartoonish scum who deserve to die, do you really think a Muslim Turkish state in central Europe is going to be an improvement?
>>67790369
Pretty much all the "evidence" of those plans comes from the Nuremberg Trials
>>67792051
>posting pictures from a movie
lol are you going to provide Schindler's List as "evidence" for your claims too?
>Stormfront like websites
>Wikipedia
>Proofs
>>67784538
No, they slaughtered Poland. End of story, Stormfront is literally filled with autistic retards and brainless, mentally ill skinheads.
I'm All for Gas The Kikes Thing, But as a Pole, I fucking hate the nazis with a passion. Hell, My great Grandfather almost died in Aushwitz, so How can I like these faggots myself?
I do admit, Hitler was a great leader tho, charismatic too, if not completely retarded when it came to war tactics. What he did for his country was admirable, even if I still hate the people themselves.
>>67792889
>2016
>believing in the holohoax.
Nigga da fuk?
>>67787412
You think it doesn't matter because it is not part of your history and 1945 was the worst year for us.
>>67792314
>http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_antideutscher_Gewalt_von_Polen
>↑ 19.0 19.1 19.2 Central German National Newspaper: Friday, May 5, 1939
>↑ Central German National Newspaper: August 27, 1939
>↑ Thuringian Gau newspaper: Wednesday, September 6, 1939
>↑ Central German National Newspaper: September 7, 1939
>↑ Central German National Newspaper: September 8, 1939
>↑ Lichterfelder Gazette: Thursday, November 23, 1939
One book about Bromberg massacre (instigated by Germans, and more Poles died than Germans)
Sources for these alleged 60,000... OY ZWEI. Goebbles would be proud of you.
>>67792514
>Pretty much all the "evidence" of those plans comes from the Nuremberg Trials
Pretty much all the evidence for MUH 60,000 INNOZENT INNOZENT CIVILEN GERMS comes from official Nazi German newspapers under the direction of propaganda minister Goebbels.
I mean even if poland "provoke" germany it would still not explain nor justify why nazis killed the joss.
its literally nazi propaganda, disregard it these people have no real life influence at all so arguing with them is wasting your time.
>>67793092
>Denying something that obviously happened because it doesn't fit with your flawed view of the world
Same coin, different side
>>67793181
Sorry but Nazi propaganda is more truthfull than whatever a Pole ever says.
>>67792663
well at the moment I can only post wikipedia links of nazi crimes and transgressions but it really doesnt matter what I do you dont beleive any word that comes out from it. Neo nazi punks like you have no respect for other nations history so you try to twist and discredit every single fact there is because you honestly believe Hitler was a great human being and leader. Well for one thing he has achieved alot good for his people but sadly he took his nation to war and lost FAIR AND SQUARE. Besides why would a sheep fucker like you give a fuck unless you come from some butthurt german family that immigrated.
>>67793320
you really believe that 6 millions jews died? Did they have a clock counting each dead jew?
>>67793362
>Poles are mean
>Let's attack Russians and Jews and French and rest of the world
>>67784538
>im Polish visiting germanistan
Muh killed Germans. Why dont We Talk about the killed Poles in the 123 years fucking faggots.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact
this should also provide with evidence that the invasion of poland was very carefully masterfully planned
>>67793240
I think it's not completely pointless. If nobody is taught the anti-german propaganda in Poland, the extremely aggressive foreign policy of interwar Poland and the constant harassment and discrimination against Germans (who, mind you, lived on what had been for hundreds of years german soil) one can not understand why the german public wasn't up in arms against the war.
It's the same with what we're taught about the Holocaust. It is portrayed as if some day, bc of the Nazis, Germans were all of a sudden "lel da joos are behind everything, they want to destroy the fatherland". One can only understand this part of history if education at least touches on the subject that the jews were in fact very powerful in the Weimar Republic, and in fact spearheaded a failed communist revolution in germany. That doesn't justify anything, just as the actions of interwar Poland don't, but it is important to understand history and the motivations and emotions of the people at that time.
You know, I used to hate the jews with a passion for making up this "6 Gorrilion" Bullshit, but getting redpilled now as to how nazis were doing just as much jewing themselves, I can't feel sorry for them anymore.
Both groups are thugs, both groups deserve what's coming to them. Fuck the nazis, Fuck The Germans, Fuck The Jews.
Then again, at least Isreal has the common sense to build a wall and kill the undesirables while the retarded germans let themselves be flooded with filth, like in one of their scat fantasies.
>>67792048
>regarding history, poland really is the greatest dindu of all times
You didn't post a single proof proving we du
>citing jewpedia
As opposed to metapedia, the only source you seem to be using in this thread?
Let's see:
>Metapedia article abotu alleged Polish atrocities: 4 (four) sources, none of them referring to alledged "atrocities" directly
>Wikipedia articles I quoted: 704 (seven hundred and four) sources
>>67792314
>You don't have zero responsibillity either
Prove that we do have any.
>http://de.metapedia.org/wiki/Chronologie_antideutscher_Gewalt_von_Polen
>All "sources" are German
>The only English one is the article that was already posted thrice here, debunked by me and nobody bothered to provide counter-argumentation
>>67792514
>Besides, even if you think Germans are evil cartoonish scum who deserve to die, do you really think a Muslim Turkish state in central Europe is going to be an improvement?
I have a good solution: fuck both Germans and Turks. What do you say?
>Pretty much all the "evidence" of those plans comes from the Nuremberg Trials
All of these plans were implemented by Germans during the war, read once again about AB-Aktion and Intelligenzaktion >>67790369 provided links about.
These events were part of the action:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonderaktion_Krakau
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacre_of_Lviv_professors
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palmiry_massacre
>M-muh kikepedia
http://pamiec.pl/pa/biblioteka-cyfrowa/katalogi-wystaw/12902,The-Destruction-of-the-Polish-Elite-Operation-AB-Katyn.html
>>67794083
>tfw poland BTFO Aryan Wannabe Dindus
>>67794083
>implying I care about any non German sources
Sorry, but I'm not going to let my history be told by Poles who lie about everything in German history and England who is just victor and doesn't matter. I'm rather trusting Nazi propaganda than that.
>>67794304
That's right, trust your media, good goy
>>67793362
>Sorry but Nazi propaganda is more truthfull
HAHAHA... Go kill yourself.
>>67794519
See? Poles just want Germans dead. They are the worst border region.
>>67794687
Literally nothing about that image applies to me.
>>67794838
I agree, this is more accurate.
>>67794021
yes I agree with you, historical facts should be thoguht as unbiased as we can (but since every good teacher has an opinon its rather impossible) and should give an wider image not that just the onesided story.
that being said, there is a lot of discussion here, where the nazis dindu nuffin side is just using brainless nazi propaganda, these people may be worth to be proven wrong but hence they are likely NPD voters aka no real life influence, it really doesn't matter and the people who have a grasp at history are just wasting their time.
>>67784538
The kangaroo Nuremberg trials mean none of the allied accusations will survive the test of time. Germans will go down as the underdogs, and you will always be remembered as the good goyim who set the world on fire.
>>67794021
>the extremely aggressive foreign policy of interwar Poland
Ohoho, that's BIG coming from Nazi Germany.
>constant harassment and discrimination against Germans
Such things probably happened on a micro scale (never state/government sanctioned) to Germans in Poland just as such things happened also to Poles in Germany. But even then, after 123 years of German anti-Polonism and real anti-Polish discrimination and harsh Germanisation you should shut up really.
>jews were in fact very powerful in the Weimar Republic, and in fact spearheaded a failed communist revolution in germany.
That's correct, and the Russians jews would aid the German revolution if Poland didn't stop them in 1920.
>>67794642
Top kek you fuck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6cdJHPdRfU
Amazing how Nazi propaganda manages to fool retards 70+ years later
>>67794304
>>implying I care about any non German sources
Then we should be posting the Polish language sources, using your logic.
The argument about "England is a victor" is a dogshit, because it's about the language, not about the nation using this language.
The point is, we're posting on international forum, and using English-language articles is the matter of fact that English is lingua franca everyone can understand, as well as neutral common ground.
"English are victor" is dogshit argument, because it's about the language, not about nation using it.
>>67790410
Bold claims coming from Macedonia
>>67785599
>millions of Germans magically vanish from their ancient lands after WW2
>PROOFS MUH PROOFS
You're worse than Russia.
>>67784538
daily reminder that poland doomed all the europe when they provoked ww2
>>67796105
>Romania
>>67796105
they were expelled back to Germany proper after the war. This is undisputed
>tfw /pol/ became reddit tier
poles are subhuman liers
>>67796105
>You're worse than Russia.
You literal fucking retard. We are talking pre-1939 here... That's post-1944 and happened BECAUSE OF STALIN against Poland's will.
Poles weren't present at Teheran nor Yalta and didn't have any say in that matter.
>>67796266
and murdered. estimated around 2 million.
>>67788153
This happened after the war even began so it can't be considered as casus belli. This is usually the event Nazi apologists try to cite.
>>67796105
>>67796420
See >>67791569
It was Soviet job. Though I really wouldn't mid if we did it, after all the shit you pulled against us during the war.
>>67796344
P.S.
>>67796420
B.S.
>According to the West German Schieder commission of 1953, the civilian death toll was 2 million. However, in 1974 the German Federal Archives estimated a death toll of about 400,000.
>The Polish historians Witold Sienkiewicz and Grzegorz Hryciuk maintain that civilian deaths in the flight and evacuation were between 600,000 and 1.2 million. The main causes of death were cold, stress, and bombing.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_and_expulsion_of_Germans_from_Poland_during_and_after_World_War_II
>>67796533
>This is usually the event Nazi apologists try to cite.
I know, and when you look into it, it's really a pathetic attempt, because really, the Poles were the bigger victims there.
>>67796755
It was carried mostly by Soviets but by Poles (communists) too who were carrying out Stalins orders.
>>67796105
1800s is now ancient
>>67784538
I go into retirement homes and listen to old people...they say Poles and Czechs treated germans like subhumans, they killed Germans, they spit on them on the streets, but nobody cared or defended them until Anschluss time. Your people are subhumans and the whole world is against germany. fuck pyou all.
>>67797367
Poor wittle German victim
OP BTFO
>http://www.thefuhrerbunker.com/WWII.htm
>>67797534
Germany is soon no more. Congratz on destroying the future of mankind.
IF YOU ONLY HAVE ONE DROP GERMAN BLOOD IN YOU
FIGHT ON
>>67797367
>Polish visiting germanistan
I would spit on Germans for that too
>>67797367
Well I've met a lot of WW2 veterans who told about all the sick stuff Germans did to both Polish and Jewish population during their occupation of Poland, as well as a few Camps prisoners, but according to Stormfags Holocaust didn't happen and camps were actually luxury leisure centers so I guess it doesn't count.
>>67797755
>Comic Sans
>>67797367
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ostsiedlung#Poland
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kulturkampf#Anti-Polish_aspect_of_Kulturkampf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Polish_sentiment
>"But beat the Poles until they despair of living[.] ... I have all the sympathy in the world for their situation, but if we want to survive we can do nothing else than wipe them out." - Otto von Bismarck
https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Anti-Polonism
>"[Poles are] cattle in human form." — Johann Georg Forster, 18th century Prussian writer.
>"[Poles are] more animals than human beings." — Joseph Goebbels, Nazi German propaganda minister.
>"All Poles will disappear from the world.... It is essential that the great German people should consider it their major task to destroy all Poles." — Heinrich Himmler.
>>67797780
>I would spit on Germans for that too
They were to kind.
>>67798293
are you fucking stupid? I'm talking about the 1920s and early 30s here.
go away animal.
>>67797780
>I would spit on Germans for that too
>spit
We were too kind. They partitioned us and stole our lands and cities and subjugated us to harsh Germanisation for 123 years.
>>67798456
Germans were exactly gracious hosts. Poles living under Russian and Austrian rule were better off than Poles living under German rule. Says a lot about you when you're even worse than the Russians.
>>67798456
Yes, yes. Go suck a Turkish dick; your new masters Germ.
The Germ states literally unified because of their inferiority complex towards us Poles:
>us Prussians ... are the Poles equal brothers or their servants"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danzig_law
>>67798847
Poland will be destroyed soon forever...
you cant survive our lates inventions...
you cant survive the storm of turks and syrians we will throw at you...
subhummans..
>>67797755
>Comic sans
Kek, ok, I'll keep reading anywya
>2 September 1939
>3 September 1939
>4 September 1939
Uh, you realise that all of these happned AFTER the WW2 broke out, don't you?
>>67798716
The Prussian partition of Poland was the worst. Austrian partition was the best but at the same time the poorest.
>>67799062
>subhummans..
Kekeke, that's why you Nazi's stole about 200,000 Polish blonde haired children during WW2 to enrich your ugly population?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kidnapping_of_children_by_Nazi_Germany
>Prussia was a mistake
>t. Zygmunt I the Old
>>67799332
youre not even subhumman that would imply you are close to being humman... youre a disgrace.
dont reply to me ever again dog.
>>67799062
You mean muslim army? Its not your invention Hans (or maybe Muhammad now?)
...Actually thats all you have right now. Some black dicks. Keep trying. Keep believing.
>>67799241
you provoked ww2 and cucked europe to the death
check here>>67791215
>>67785766
debunk it then
>>67799241
He's a retarded neo-Nazi. They are trying so hard because they have no real or relevant proof.
>>67799479
>dont reply to me ever again dog.
Remember your place in history prusaku (cockroach).
>us Prussians ... are the Poles equal brothers or their servants"
Never forget that.
>>67799901
laugh now negroepolack laugh all you want but deep inside you know we will win and smash warsaw like the subhumman pit of shit it is.
>>67800478
>you know we will win
Hahaha, alone? You have never won against us 1on1 because you're pathetic. You always allied with Russia against us.
>smash warsaw
You already did that, not it's time for Munich; invite more refugees please.
>>67800478
Wew. If you say so
>>67800865
>>67800932
I really do hope you fags realize I'm trolling you like crazy
>>67801224
>I really do hope you fags realize I'm trolling you like crazy
Oh really. :)
>>67800205
>You provoked the war
>"Poland would give up a Free City of Danzig"
An obvious lie, Poland couldn't "give it up" since it was - as its very name stated - a Free City. Hitler wanted to annex it, and therefore violate the Versailles Treaty.
What this meme pic doesn't mention is the fact that in addition he demanded an exterritorial corridor on Polish soil, connecting Germany and East Prussia.
So, basically:
>Give us part of your land
>If you won't, we'll invade you!
Yeah, totally our fault m8. Clearly we were the warmongers here.
>>67801511
give us a part of your land that was ours 20 years ago and is inhabitted by germans,look at your map and tell me if your country now is bigger
>>67784538
Does it even matter? Germany declared War because you wouldnt hand back rightful German clay.
>>67801853
>give us a part of your land that was ours 20 years ago
When did Greeks ever own a part of our land?
>>67802213
>rightful German clay
>>67802525
>>67802466
I was about to post that, saw it on a /gsg/ thread. You did nothing wrong polebros, I admire your country and your proud people. I wish I could learn polish.
>>67802466
>>67802525
Danzig was 95% german, königsberg and stettin and other significant cities of prussia too
>>67802466
>>67802525
so basically 100 years under Prussia showed more progress than 1000 years under subhumman rule
>>67803011
>Danzig was 95% german
Of course, because you systematically destroyed ethnically Polish inhabitants after stealing it from us.
>Königsberg
Which you have stolen from Prussians (the real ones)
>Stettin
Which you have stolen from us earlier during Middle Ages.
>>67803179
I saw that >>67801224 post m8.
>>67803475
hehe fuk
IDK , but still better than Karánsebes event.
>>67784538
OP is a jewish hispanic illuminati magican nigger.
>>67796105
>Justification for a war
>After the war ended
Germans were driven from Czechslovakia and Poland because they were shitty minorities who couldn't be trusted not to stab their country in the back. The better question is why didn't Poland and Czechslovakia expel the Germans in the 1930s?
>>67803584
Isn't that battle just a made up meme though?
There are no real source proving it ever happened except for some articles about "bizzare battles". Not even kidding.
>>67804706
Than , what actually happened ?
>>67805131
No idea. But see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kar%C3%A1nsebes
Even wiki site states it needs more citations.
