Prove to me that socialism is shit
- Home
- Board: /pol/ - Politically Incorrect
- Reading: Prove to me that socialism is shit
Hey /pol/,
Let's say "because it hasn't worked in the past" for discrediting Socialism is off the table. To be fair to the Socialists, just because something hasn't worked before does not mean it can't work in the future.
What is the #1 reason otherwise that makes capitalism a better system for the development of humanity than Socialism or Communism?
>>67720141
bump
Stealing is shit. Socialism without stealing is charity.
#1 reason
you wouldn't be on your computer shitposting on /pol without capitalism
>>67720364
does that mean any level of taxes is stealing?
>>67720141
Capitalism is the natural way as it rewards work and intelligence. Socialism doesn't work but you have people that are too stupid or too talented for it so it fucks everything up.
A capitalist system will always beat a socialist system because there's no incentive to do anything in a socialist system.
Not to mention socialists tend to be mental children and a socialist society will always turn corrupt.
That's the basic of the basics.
>The toughest and smartest thrive
>The meekest and dumbest don't
Sounds a lot better than
>Everyone survives equally regardless of genetics
Humanity has grown terribly weak
>>67720472
yes
when u dont pay taxes the IRS garnishes your wages and/or put u in jail
they accomplish this by force
>>67720141
Have you seen the riots going on in Brazil just now?
Ohh, but of course your version of communi-- i mean socialism will be different!
>>67720141
>Let's say "because it hasn't worked in the past" for discrediting Socialism is off the table
Ever hear the adage "Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it"? How about "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results"?
>>67720141
It didnt pass the litmus test in the usa, a world leader for atleast the past 65 years.
>>67720520
>Capitalism is the natural way
So natural it's only been around for 400 years with vigorous opposition the whole time
>>67720141
The usa was a world leader until socialism hit.
i can't :(
>>67720141
Because socialism is inefficient and taxation is immoral.
>>67720733
How about inductive thinking isn't a valid argument. If you lived in Britain in the 1800's, you'd say there are only white swans too I bet.
>>67720620
How would we pay for basic public goods, like roads and national defense?
>>67720141
I'm on mobile and don't care enough to respond , socialism fails because of the incentive structures of government bureaucrats and business entrepreneurs . Google economic calculation problem , or go to mises.org and look for man economy and the state by Murray rothbard , than hit control f "there is a fatal flaw" and read an indepth 4 page explain action .
>>67720804
HAHHAHA
capitalism started at around the middle of the 1700s
fuck off socialist punk
>>67720141
I live in Canada, it's shit trust me
>>67720141
It works.
Like Churchill said, it's the least bad we can do.
When you're older, you'll start with reality, appreciate what is possible, and what has been done, and get over this left-wing bs that everything is a hypothetical dream session.
>>67721188
what's your biggest gripe?
Socialism forces everyone from the the top to be equal with the very bottom. Capitalism forces everyone on the bottom to be equal with the top. Socialism promotes laziness and capitalism promotes hard work.
>>67720141
It doesn't work now. Look at brazil, north korea, venezuela and cuba.
>>67720987
You have capitalism to thank for your chinese cartoons nigger.
>>67720141
Because state ownership of the means of production requires an extensive police state to constantly confiscate from and suppress citizen. Its not that socialism is impossible its just incredibly inefficient and does a terrible job of allocating resources. On top of that living in a police state is just shitty for the majority of people.
>>67720141
>implying beating your head against the wall repeatedly will eventually bring the wall down.
The biggest problem with socialism/communism and why they constantly fail is human nature.
They discourage and deny us our competitive nature and try to equalize every person (pulling people who excel down to the inferior persons level). We are not all equal, everybody has inherent quality and flaws that make us better/worse than others.
If you're better than another person in these types of societies you have to do extra effort and work to carry lessor people than you on your back and they are rewarded equally.
Do you like to game or play sports to win or even do better than your other coworkers? Well there's no encouragement in this and this is actually frowned upon (and in many cases, these people are the first to be sent out of the country or murdered).
Nobody robs me
>>67720141
State ownership of the means of production would be hilariously inefficient and is literal tyranny over people. Worker cooperatives and the like are certainly fine, but it's unlikely they can be adopted on a large scale since those kinds of organizations tend to be inefficient, but I have no opposition to those.
>>67721784
>>67721621
Best answers yet, thanks.
This fits with what I believe that in small, voluntary groups socialism works well, but in a coercive, state-wide manner its ridiculous. Take any successful sports team as an example.
What about a circumstance wherein the phone was dog.
>>67720141
more incentive to improve with capitalism
>>67720141
>it hasn't worked in the past
>in the past
>implying its even working now
you dumb fuck
>>67720472
taxation with out consent is stealing
>>67721960
Oddly enough, under our current system there is nothing stopping workers from pooling their money/wealth to buy the firm at which they work. This would allow them to split the profits evenly and own the means of production. However this never seems to happen.
>>67720804
>for 400 years
capitalism has existed since the dawn of time.
>>67721045
the Tax was only supposed to be for 1% of the population, now were all getting taxed atleast 18%+ no matter how much you make.
the issue I have with tax, is that the populace is not represented in equal fashion; there is no lobby for us regular people who always get fucked by these "progressive policies."
I want to be taxed fairly, I want jobs back in my country and I want those who pay for political favors in jail.
I want everyone in america to know what its like to have rights, and freedoms. I want them to earn what they have. I do not want my money taken from me, and then given to those who seek no means to better themselves other than the money from my pockets.
I want equality in all aspects, not nepotism and this positive discrimination that we have in place now. It does not matter the color of skin, but the merit of character.
>>67722486
Probably because hierarchies are more efficient, develop naturally (companies start out as 1-2 guys, slowly builds outwards), and those at the top of the hierarchy see no good reason to redistribute their equity.
>>67721471
or maybe human creativity and the work of the animators :O
>>67720141
The fact that Norway didn't start seeing a profit until after they increased drilling and cut social programs, perhaps?
>>67722829
>trump on his inauguration day
>>67720141
>Prove to me that socialism is shit
the USSR existed
DPKR exists
CHYNA exsits
>>67720141
You have to ask "Why didn't it work."
Socalism relies on taxing the economic producers and giving to the poor. The issue is that, at a basic level, the producers aren't encouraged to produce and the poor aren't encouraged to improve their lives. There is a welfare cliff where getting more money means you lose welfare benefits. Socalism only looks like it's working in other countries because they are living on the harvest of the past. It looks great until the money runs out and they destroyed the tax base through over taxation. Greece and Spain are examples of this.
>>67722462
who cares
>>67721302
Without capitalism we wouldn't have Soros funding multiculturalism and lefty movements which we need. Capitalism is based
>>67722652
I think your false assumption is that 1% tax rates or only taxing 1% of the population is sufficient for the modern infrastructures we have. Sure, the American military could be scaled back, but there is a much higher "fixed cost" of operating a standing military today as compared to a mostly irregular and militia army that was around in the late 1700's
>>67720141
It did work, in Nazi Germany.
It's Marxism that doesn't work, not socialism.
>>67722955
You dumb nigger I fucking wrote that whole first paragraph just for shitters like you
>>67720141
Capitalism's backbone is self-interest, meaning it will be efficient as long as people continue to make economic decisions in their own self-interest. Socialism, however, is based on the reliability of a central government to guess what millions of people need and distribute it without being corrupt. This is why socialist experiments have worked on small scales before (Paris commune, Catalonia) but failed miserably in large-scale application (China before Deng, USSR).
t. someone whose parents actually lived through socialism
>>67720141
http://thisiscommonsense.com/2016/02/11/scandi/
>>67720141
The only socialism that is remotely feasible is National Socialism. International and Marxist socialism only serves corruption, nepotism Jewish elements. Neither are ideal for a free society but I'll take NatSoc any day of the week over that marxist bullshit.
>>67721062
Is it the "Man, Economy, and State, with Power and Market" because I can't find that phrase in the book but am interested.
>>67720141
Capitalism is fine with less people. In fact less people would solve a lot of problems
The problem is population
>>67720141
Yes, your unique brand that has never been tried before will work, sure
Socialism isn't shit.
Socialism when implemented in a large country (like the U.S.) that is not homogeneous (like the U.S.) and has too many niggers (like the U.S.) Is shit.
>>67721302
>>67720936
>>67721045
The interesting thing is that every country has a little but of all these spectriums of "democracy".
The US is capatalist based, however it includes a bit of socialism (the New Deal) and communism (providing aid to all countries around the world).
Even China which was mainly communistic at one point figured that it would just starve and kill of its population at the pace they were in and decided (or maybe forced due to circumstances) to introduce aspects of capitalism and property ownership which has helped push their economy to epic proportions.
