Convince me that this won't be the final result of the 2016 election. Ever since Biden dropped speculation of his entry into the race, the media has been rushing to defend Clinton on all the scandals and she has seen her numbers improve. By the time November 2016 rolls around, the media will have successfully completed its propaganda and PR campaigns for the GOP nominee and Clinton, respectively. We. Have. No. Chance.
Don't get me wrong, I'm going to go out and vote against Clinton, but I see no path to victory for any Republican.
Look at the results in 2008 and 2012. Romney saw an increase in support of roughly 2% in the swing states of North Carolina, Florida, Ohio, Virginia, and Iowa. Assuming the same shift occurs for 2016 due to the decrease in probability of a party holding the WH for 3 consecutive terms, that moves Florida into GOP territory and maybe possibly Ohio. How can we win?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012#Votes_by_electoral_college
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008#Votes_by_state
This map shows which states will be won with a less than 5% margin.
>>55344616
you missed pa
last 3 elections were
5%
5%
2%
and PA won't vote for hillary, they hate her
>>55344917
5.39% D in 2012
10.32% D in 2008
2.50% D in 2004
I don't think it's winnable. In a landslide situation, yes. But that would require an indictment of Hillary, which won't happen.
>>55345128
>I don't think it's winnable. In a landslide situation, yes. But that would require an indictment of Hillary, which won't happen.
there were massive rallies everywhere from pittsburg to wilkes against her when she was secretary of state.
She won't win.
>5%
>landslide
lol. Philly niggers won't come to the rescue like they did with obama
No matter how hard you shill she won't take PA
>>55345265
I'm not shilling. I certainly don't want her to win. I've been curious about the idea of a decrease in the black vote as well. If Obama won 93% of the blacks in 2012, 95% in 2008, Kerry got 88% in 2004, and Gore got 90% in 2000, how much can we assume Clinton 2016 gets? 91%? That's not enough. She'd need to lose more of the white vote for it to make a difference.
>>55344917
>Still believing the PA will go red meme
>>55345599
>She'd need to lose more of the white vote for it to make a difference.
I have yet to talk to one white or black person who is voting for hillary, and i live in philly and worked in multiple local campaigns
>although i will probably go back home to allentown to vote as it is a more crucial electoral area with overwhelming Trump support
she literally doesn't have a chance anywhere outside of eerie, pittshit, and philly, and even in these areas her support is minimal at best
she has no chance
>>55345716
>implying Trump won't flip blue collar workers
I want Clinton staffers off my board
Trump/Giuliani will do this
>>55345886
can someone just please nuke commiefornia?
those faggots seriously ruin every election
The SJWs are making national news with that bullshit Mizzou scandal. People are getting pissed off, Moderates are sick of this shit. The pendulum will swing back right again.
i hope /pol/ covers VA a bit more in the coming months. im not entirely convinced VA will go democrat this time
>>55345886
Forgot vid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8
>>55345945
Not every election, anon...
>>55345785
>I have yet to talk to one white or black person who is voting for hillary
Maybe not yet. But the propaganda machine isn't in full operation yet. The media will spin this election so hard and make it all about how we need to make history. Let's take a look at their current operation:
1. Project Carson: attack him on the pyramids thing to make him look stupid; call him a liar about West Point
2. Project Trump: make him look like a racist and marginalize his views in general (Trump has fallen from the 30% threshold he was previously at in the national primary polls)
3. Project Rubio: ignore him; attack his voting record, credit card bills, traffic tickets
4. Project Cruz: ignore him
Just wait. They'll get everyone voting just the way they want.
>>55344917
Does it matter though?
If I'm reading OP's 5% moe map correctly, even if GOP carries all the marginal states plus PA, They sill only get 295 votes in the electoral college and Hillary wins.
Buy guns while you still can
>>55344372
Wisconsin's going to go red. That whole teacher-strike thing that happened after the 2012 election turned a lot of people off.
Ohio will likely go red as well, if the weed bill is any bellweather, or if their governor gets the VP spot.
Colorado may very well go red as well. They've got their legal weed, and there's been a conservative resurgence in the state since then.
Dunno about Virginia and New Mexico, though.
>>55346092
>Maybe not yet. But the propaganda machine isn't in full operation yet
you're forgetting the other side of the coin
Hillary:
1. obviously benghazi and the emails (basic baby shit)
2. her pedophiliac sexual predator husband (epstein pedo flights)
3. whitewater
4. watergate firing
5. clinton foundation taking millions from the saudis after bill saved their shit
6. Anti super PAC propaganda
7. Vince Foster murder
8. The fact that she literally defended a known pedophile as an attorney, destroyed evidence, lied, and is on tape laughing about him being able to pass a polygraph (goodbye female vote. the victim was a 12 year old girl)
Clinton has alot more dirt nobodies touching until the general election
>>55346131
> 295 loss
>>55345833
>implying the "blue collar workers" wont be out voted by the yuppies and niggers in Pitt, Philly, and Harrisburg
>>55346081
Remind you of anyone?
>>55346496
Niggers don't vote, and they sure as hell won't vote now because they don't care about MUH FIRST WOMYN. They only cared about the first nigger prez.
>>55346511
>Implying Reagan wasnt a shit-tier president
>Implying Republikeks dont look at his presidency through rose-colored sunglasses
>>55346560
Do you really think niggers wont vote for a woman that promises more gibsmedats?
>>55346352
The only person who has enough money to do any digging on those issues is Trump. Otherwise nobody in the media is going to bring those issues to light. They'll keep talking about how the GOP candidate is "anti-women" and how we need free college and free birth control. It's the same thing every time and I have no faith that the American people will be able to see through the lies. I mean, look at what the media did for Obama in 2012. The unemployment rate was terrible, the recovery was slow, the GDP growth rate was anemic, everybody hated Obamacare, he was a miserable failure by all accounts. And yet the media made the election about Romney, not Obama. The re-election of a president is supposed to be centered around the president's record the past 4 years, and yet in these days the truth never actually comes to light. Think 1984.
>>55346496
>philly
>1.5 million
>pittsburg
>300,00
eerie
>100,00
Harrisburg
>not even 50,000
Total population: 12.79million
Also Hillary will not take the black vote.
She couldn't in 2008, she won't now.
>don't even bother posting the 500 person study btw senpai, theres a reason the DNC had to pull a random nigger out of a hat to actually get the black vote in 08
>>55346595
>Do you really think niggers wont vote for a woman that promises more gibsmedats?
>niggers
>voting for a woman period
Have you even ever met a black person?
>>55346595
The man almost started world war 3 lols
I think Obama has been one of the worst, geo politically and economically. Not sure how he managed to get elected for a second term since in his first term he already was ass.
>>55346595
>Do you really think niggers wont vote
They almost never do
>>55346616
there is no "digging" necessary.
Its all fairly well documented stuff, it just needs to be publicized, which any candidate will have enough money to do.
Also starting in December a political group I am a part of ABC (anyone but clinton) will be hitting the streets in philly, pittsburg, lehigh valley, wilkes, eerie, and harrisburg that will go out 3 days a week until the primaries (there are multiple branches although the group has not gone public yet)
If she wins, will start sending people out 5 days a week
I will personally do all i can to stop her from taking PA
>>55347036
Do it for Trump, anon.
Do it for America.
>>55347036
Well I hope you're right. Losing those 20 EVs would really hurt Hillary. I don't believe it can happen yet, but maybe as we get closer things will change. I think the truth will be suppressed to the fullest extent possible, as has been the case for the past 8 years.
>>55347176
maybe one day the emperor will recognize my efforts, but i doubt it.
Its worth all the time and people shouting in my face just to stick it to that smug cunt who thinks shes above the law and entitled to the presidency
If you care as well you should do something, even if its just making a couple flyers and handing them out.
even a 2% response is still better then sitting and doing nothing
>>55347176
See I could totally get behind Trump if it weren't for this trickle down economics bullshit, people with wads of cash don't use it to make jobs, they look back at their numbers and say, "I could do better, Josh can totally handle Dan's job too right? Go tell Dan he is fired."
>>55347343
>T-Rex
HAHAHA!
>>55347343
>I think the truth will be suppressed to the fullest extent possible, as has been the case for the past 8 years.
Why not go out and do something about it? Are you content just to sit on your hands and watch that bitch stroll into the whitehouse?
Im not tech savvy, but if you were im sure something like that could become big on youtube or social media
>>55347036
Fuck please go to squirrel hill in Pittsburgh. There are so many bernie shills its ridiculous. The whole neighborhood is old jews and college kids.
The Bernie people like hanging out in front of Giant Eagle.
>>55347426
Anon. He's going to reduce taxes on the middle class and raise taxes on the rich. He's not at all 'trickle down'.
>>55347493
I do what I can to go on facebook and debate the liberal infographics. I also debate some of my liberal-minded friends that support Bernie. I'll do more as the election gets closer.
>>55347426
>Trump
>trickle down economics
Nigga are you serious? Do you even know the actual policies that the trickle down meme represents? Because the Trump tax plan does not have them
>going after hedge fund managers
>going after finical investment groups
>tariffs
>0% income tax for lower class
>15% buisness tax with no loopholes
No of these are "le trickle down economics" meme
>>55346739
i hate the fuck hillary, but realise that she could'nt win the black vote because she ran against a fucking nigger, nobody was going to win it
>>55347662
well, its a good thing I came to /pol/ then. I don't have any TV service so I don't get any news or anything like that, and I don't have any time to look up and read peoples policies.
>>55347523
ill keep the name in mind.
Pittsburgh currently has our lowest number of people, only have 4 canvassers
Trying to find more but you're right, seems like mostly berniefags who refuse to hear anything they don't like
>>55344372
She won't win considering Obama won twice due to his charisma because if he was a beta blacks won't want him so if any of the GOP candidates have charisma they would win easily
>>55346560
half of all niggers are women
never forget that anon
as much as it saddens me to say it
hill will be the next president
the dems start with Way too many votes
its an uphill battle for republicans
the only way we'll get another one back in the white house is if he's originally from a huge democratic state like CA or New York and can take all of those votes
he also has to use teh lefts tactics against them
smear campaign etc
AND he has to stay away from controversial issues, and divert them to "states issues"
abortion is a states right
gay marriage et cetera
>>55347878
Trumps from New York
>>55345785
nobody is going to convince you otherwise, but that you don't know anyone voting for hillary in your personal echo chamber isn't exactly solid evidence.
5% blue in 2012
11% blue in 2008
2% blue in 2004
5% blue in 2000
9% blue in 1996
9% blue in 1992
PA hasn't gone red since 1988. PA went blue for *John Kerry* when he got trounced in the national results by Bush Jr.
Facts and historical trends aren't "shills". Outside of a Nixon-esque landslide PA is in all likelihood staying blue.
>>55347748
She only lost DNC support before the primary even happened after she was polled repeatedly getting only 40-50% percent of the black vote in national polling
>which is abismally low for dems
Thats right at the same time when the DNC started pushing Obama hard as fuck
See, niggers don't vote in the primaries. The turn out is ridiculously low.
Even Obama only got 93% on the black vote in philly bc ACORN pulled really sketchy shit, went around and woke up all the crackheads and dopers to go vote and gave them free food and water
>>55346328
You're the most retarded post in this thread. I hope you make lots of bets regarding the upcoming election.
>>55347859
lol
>>55347976
>, but that you don't know anyone voting for hillary in your personal echo chamber isn't exactly solid evidence.
Can you even read?
I have more real life experience in politics and canvassing in PA then 90% of the people on this board.
I see the trends as I am directly in the center of them
I go to every rally, from Greenlife to PETA to the anti hillary rallies post benghazi to the brief Tea party movement
I know alot more then some internet warrior
>>55347943
Do you think Trump/Giuliani could turn NY red? I know upstate is red, but NYC is blue, I've heard some anons saying they could turn it just enough though. It's a long shot but I think if anyone could do it Trump could.
>>55344372
The media hasn't been shilling for Hillary nearly as much as /pol/ has been letting on. The truth about the brightening of Hillary's prospects is that the investigation around her e-mails has fallen apart and been exposed as a partisan circle jerk and she has been much more aggressive in courting her own party's voters.
>>55346352
Bill Clintons approval rating at the end of his term was at 66%, and that was went most of the stuff you listed was fresh in the minds of the american people.
nobody outside of your circle believes that vince foster was anything other than a suicide. they didn't believe it then and they don't believe it nor care 20 years later.
I'm telling you for your own sanity, you're living in a conservative radio bubble and you're going to crash *hard* on election night. you're only hurting yourself with the blinders strapped on that tight.
>>55348262
Trump did a lot for NYC's real estate and is a icon of NYC
Trump's currently leading over Hillary in Minnesota
If Minnesota's turning red in 2016, any state is fair game for the republicans.
>>55348326
Yeah. I think he may be able to appeal to them, especially if Giuliani is the VP. Hillary really would have to try hard and get out every last Dominican and hipster feminist out on election day.
>>55346131
295 < 270
Are you retarded?
>>55344372
>PA, NJ, NY
>Blue
Not this time around senpai
>>55348367
I saw that as well. I was reminded of similar polls from the 2012 cycle that showed crazy things like that happening.
For example, at the end of October 2012 a poll showed Romney leading in Minnesota by 1 point. Needless to say: he ended up losing by over 7.
http://images.politico.com/global/2012/11/mn_key_findings_memo_bolger1.html
>>55348522
I think he meant to say 255.
>>55348326
>>55348433
Wall Street hate the GOP because they did not want save the banks and the automotive industry
>>55348433
Also Trump has more charisma and can appeal to moderates
>>55348579
Trump's campaign revolves around bringing jobs back to America like factory work so he can get wall street
>>55348286
>nobody outside of your circle believes that vince foster was anything other than a suicide
>getting shot in the neck
>suicide
wew lad, the shills are real
>Bill Clintons approval rating at the end of his term was at 66%
Thats because we were still in a 7 year economic boom created by Paul Vockler. Who would not be happy in a country that is doing well?
Also, the Epstein Pedo flights thing has been largely suppressed by the media and was discovered long after his presidency.
>conservative radio bubble
wow, this shilling is crazy
You can't just ignore away her whole past when shes running for president.
The average american is unaware of her history as an attorney, but dont worry; ill get the word out
>>55348536
This. I'll turn NY red single-handedly
>>55348653
>C H I N A
never
>>55348536
PA confirms
>>55348776
PA seconds
>>55345966
It will be purple no doubt. The tide is changing back to red, McAuliffe be damned, the fucking carpetbagger.
>>55348772
You elected a SJW for Prime minister if that can happen America can elect an egotistical billionaire
>>55348875
Bankers want stability, I don't trust Trump, I can't. He sound like a populist with no real plan...''make america great again'' sure but how?: CHINA. It's the truth.
>>55349104
>not reading his policies then repeating the meme that he has no plan
He literally said he's going to annex Western Canada and save the only sane part of this country from Turdeau II.
>>55349104
Thats how presidential elections work all the winners were populists with vague plans during their rallies but more in-depth on their websites
>>55344372
I don't like the Clintons but honestly I'd rather vote Hillary than Trump. I think a large portion of Americans feel the same way.
>>55349255
Shill detected
>>55349255
Might I ask why?
>>55348536
>>55347036
As someone who lives in PA and as much as it pains me to say this, it's going to go blue.
The huge migration of people from NJ and NY continues as democrats flee the states they ruined and start to taint my once glorious blue collar state. The blue counties you see in the Allentown area are only going to be more blue in the next election and so are the northern counties in the Poconos
.
>>55349104
>He sound like a populist with no real plan
wow
>tax reform (full details on his site)
>renegotiation of trade deals, most likely tariffs
>bringing money back from overseas at a 10% one time payment
>using tariffs to prevent american businesses from moving overseas or across borders
>healthcare reform, taking power away from insurance companies that currently have almost statewide monopolies
>eliminating illegals, opening up millions of jobs to unemployed young americans
>renegotiating with south korean, germany, and other countries we defend who currently pay us nothing
>eliminating tax loopholes used by "le ebil wallstreet bankerz"
>no plan
smoke less weed faggot
>>55348038
How much is Hillary paying you to make these posts? I guess that 4 year degree in PR wasn't all it's cracked up to be, eh anon?
>>55348813
You can believe this if you want, but I was employed by a consulting group that was in charge of identifying swing micro-demographic groups in Virginia. Essentially, our main in-roads were discovering a very specific group that were "irrationally" Republican -- white government employees ages 35 to 55. I wasn't part of the group that aimed to reach them and flip them which is where the real art is. In the end his margin was high enough that it wasn't strictly necessary, but that was the group that could easily move 2 points from blue to red if they're properly ID'd and their concerns are addressed.
>>55349408
you might want to walk outside.
There is a huge anti-hillary sentiment everywhere, if Bernie or Webb had the nom itd be one thing but NO ONE will vote for shillary
Allentown is full of spics and niggers, but luckily Bethlehem is in the same electoral district which is becoming increasingly white and conservative.
I was there back in 07 when obama visited, and the last 8 years have really changed the town.
Voting pools are rarely stagnant my friend
Also
>almost 32% of allentown are felons that cannot vote. Go look at the family watchdog sometime, the town has more rapists then teachers
>>55344372
>Clinton
ya got one thing wrong there bub
>>55349751
Niggers voted in 2008 & 2012 because there was an alpha black man running
Texas needs to do that thing it can do and split into four states. Especially if Hawaii can be considered a state.
>>55349809
They still had a decent turnout in 2000 and 2004
>>55349255
Wow, the shilling is real.
>I don't like the clintons but in still gonna vote for Hillary.
Could you please explain your position on that at least, shill? I know you're getting paid to post here because your desperate for work with your shitty PR degree and loads of college debt, but I have to ask you, do you actually believe in what you are shilling or has your life become that fucking hollow that nothing matters anymore?
Trump is an indirect spark of hope in what has truly been a lost decade for the American people. Can you please provide one example of Hillary doing something positive that wasn't riddled with scandal and sketchiness?
>>55349635
I hope you're right.
I actually live in Bethlehem. There has definitely been a shift away from the Dems since 2008, but I'm not sure it's enough to counteract the massive shithole that is Allentown. That being said, Allentown has seen some revival in recent years though as they continue to rebuild the downtown area and take it back from the ghetto. I know I'll be doing everything I can to turn the area red.
>>55349468
>tax reform (full details on his site)
Like all the GOP populist plan
>renegotiation of trade deals, most likely tariffs
''renegotiation a deal''...right
>bringing money back from overseas at a 10% one time payment
stop tax evasion like sanders...right
>using tariffs to prevent american businesses from moving overseas or across borders
How
>healthcare reform, taking power away from insurance companies that currently have almost statewide monopolies
Canadian healthcare system...
>eliminating illegals, opening up millions of jobs to unemployed young americans
How, with his meme wall
>renegotiating with south korean, germany, and other countries we defend who currently pay us nothing
''renegotiation'' delusion
>eliminating tax loopholes used by "le ebil wallstreet bankerz"
Sanders 2016
>>55349990
>I actually live in Bethlehem
...why do i feel like theirs a 20% chance i know you.
Yeah, but remember what just happened with Allentown and the Syrian pledge? Did you go to the protest? pretty decent turn out
>>55350031
If we elect Sanders there'll be no one left to bail Canada out when you've run your country into the ground.
>>55350141
I hate Sanders but Trump is wost
>B-b-but but PA hates Shillary!
>They'd n-n-never vote for her...
>>55350210
>Home state:New York
Wasn't she born in Arkansas and carpet bagged New York
>>55350210
>pre secretary of state
>pre benghazi
>ignoring the fact northern and central PA is racist af
>>55345599
It's not about what percent of black voters choose the Democrat, it's about what percent of blacks show up to vote.
>>55350210
>8 years ago
>>55350096
No, I'm haven't heard about that. I'm away at uni right now and a little out of touch. What happened? I've looked at a few articles and I've seen something about Lehigh county taking 130 Syrian refugees?
>>55350184
How much you get paid I need a job
>>55350562
yeah, the mayor signed the pledge and then over a hundred people showed up to protest.
All of them were from Allentown, didn't even think that they had that many white people tbf
It's hilarious to see the Killary Clinton shills change tactics after their daily cut and paste topics received so much ridicule.
>>55350703
They tend not to leave their homes for fear of being mugged and assaulted
Glad to see we're putting up a fight against the resettlement agenda. I hope the invaders are confined solely to Allentown and not spread out throughout the rest of the Lehigh Valley.
>>55350281
>Home state: New York
>Born in: Arkansas
>Home state: Illinois
>Born in: Kenya
Who said there is a relation between your home state and where you are born?
>>55351072
>Rubio getting the nomination
He's going to end up like !YEB after Trump finishes off with Carson
>>55344372
nice try faggot. i can smell the false flagging bitch on you.
>>55350910
its good to know i have at least one ally out there, allentown can be a real lonely place for a conservative white man
>>55346878
It depends, Anon. Normally, they can't be bothered to leave the house for anything other than free shit.
But when "community organizers" get involved: They drop them off at the voting places by the busload.
