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>Creepy America airplane
LMAO
>>61378584
Who controls the plane if they are the same?
>American design
>>61378652
Another pilot rest. And controlling is rotation.
>creep
boo甘oon
If 1 pilot turns left and the other turns right does the plane tear itself apart?
A bit like Brexit actually
Really makes you think
If one pilot has sex with another plane, is the other pilot being raped?
From the country that design a plan that's equal to the size of their dick.
>>61379038
But you guys were our colony and slave at that time.
>>61379038
Sounds like you have an unhealthy obsession with the cock mate
u might be gay
makes you think
>>61379097
At least I have the mental capacity for it, and you as a member whose country is built by garbage thrown out by your master has....zero?or is it -1?
>>61379086
Least we didn't got nuke twice.
>American technology
>>61379038
jep 1 to 1 in size
>>61379293
I think this is a copy of a German WWII prototype
>>61379290
But we aren't Chink.
This is the biggest good luck.
>>61379293
thas kawai as fuck
name ?
>Be American
>Literally name a plane 'gay'
Also, surprised no one has made a nuke plane joke yet. Where's Ameri-kun when you need xer?
>>61379293
Japanese flying match box
> Made by American
>>61379404
That is XF-85
>>613793
How the fuck am I a Chink? I am not a fucking commie.
Japan, you shit on American planes yet your military flies American aircraft
Why so?
>>61379425
But you guys couldn't make airplane at that time……
Sorry, You can't still make it. LMAO
>make an aeroplane
>deem it unusable and obsolete
>almost scrap it
>finns buy 42 of them
>and get 25:1 kdr
lel americans and brits cant even fly their own planes
>>61379499
thx have a cute
>>61379585
Wrong, go read more books.
>This express Jew’s nose
>Japanese rocket design
So highly rated, that pilost never wanted to leave it after use.
>>61379699
The pilot became one with the plane, literarily.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jorma_Sarvanto
this guy downed 6 soviet bombers in 4 minutes,a record that still holds to this day
all in a shitty dutch colonial beater fighter
>>61379519
>Chinese Taipei
>Chinese
>Chink
I didn't get mistake.
>>61379654
This is Euro fighter copy. LOL
>>61379772
I guess not, but I guess you are just retarded Tojo.
>Be Japan in the 30s
>Philosophy of aerial combat starts the shift to energy fighting
>Design a plane with no self-sealing fuel tanks, armor, so a single bullet turns it into a fireball
>Can barely dive without snapping the wing
>No energy retention means it can't run
>No altitude advantage thanks to weak engine
>"lmao, who needs speed when you can TURN"
>Get clobbered by F6F Hellcats
>>61379687
Here's the Japanese equivalent
>>61379293
>""""""""American""""""""" technology
>>61379654
You guys stole from Sweden?
>>61379519
>Republic of CHINA
op plane was nicknamed mezashi in japan
>Modern Japanese AWACS plane
>>61379699
>that aiming thing
top kek
>Freezed Osprey
Here's a physics project
>American Adamski
>>61380054
And even then, it was a fucking failure.
>>61379519
>you have to be a commie to be Chinese
How retarded are you?
>Flying American pencil
>>61379823
-Zero's engine is a copy of Pratt & Whitney R-1830 Twin Wasp
-Zero's 20mm armament is a copy of Oerlikon FF
-Zero's 13mm armament is a copy of M2
-Zero's landing gear is a copy of Vought-143
- Zero's aim device is a copy of ReviC2
Call mine a "European "copy
>>61378584
How would that thing fare in a dogfight? I know it was done to increase operational range, but it doesn't look particularly maneuverable.
>>61380302
But you guys were our colony and slave at that time.
why is it so creepy
>>61378691
>American design
>>61379293
That must be terribly awful to control
>>61380187
About as retarded as an overweighting, gun wielding, burger eating person.
>>61380379
This express typical American butt.
>>61379952
And you stole from everyone.
>>61379986
According to UN, China=PROC, sorry you haven't got the news that happened....45 years ago
>It seems that American love meat pie.
>>61380054
>Flying French stamp
Does any other country even come close to having as much knowledge about aerospace engineering as the US?
We have basically had uninterrupted and heavy research and development in it for like 115 years.
Maybe Russia?
>>61379293
don't insult the greatest american interceptor ever to grave european skies
>American technology
>>61380589
You guys got most of the "technology" from the Nazis...
>What the thing did they want to do?
>>61380337
it was okay, the main thing is that it would just do energy fighting, get an altitude advantage and rely on something like six 50 cals to rip and tear before going back into orbit
>>61380790
Stealth is Russian technology anyway.
>>61379699
holly fucking shit japan, what the fuck?
>>61378584
>airplane
Out of all the shitty american english words 'airplane' triggers me the most.
The US has more airports and private pilots than any other country.
Highest rate of aircraft ownership
>>61380589
israel
:^)
>>61379900
This is cool unlike America
>>61379038
That's a German design you nigger.
>>61380862
Sorry, From now on I use "aeroplane".
>>61380971
Good lad
>>61380876
it is pretty neat
>>61380847
It seems that Muhammad don't know Ho229.
In 1944, the Germans knew where the real strat was at
>>61381099
I have an idea
why not make giant grappling hooks and shoot it at a bomber so you don't have to ram it
>Big Communist dream
>>61380977
I like British Hentai aeroplane
Great thread
>American shopping cart.
>>61381293
Questionable communist dream
>American "Nekomimi"
>>61381223
I think that idea could have turned the tide of the war
>American design
>>61381293
>not posting the superior upgraded version
>>61381671
>hey guys the designer said this thing is like flying battleship
>why not make it shoot like one
>Japanese wet dream
>Flying American pig
>Flying American Fan
>>61381900
Flying Japanese Tank
>>61382030
Soviet thought too.
>German VTOL
>>61379293
>this whole thread
Kek
Lightning is not creepy.
>>61382307
>Nazi technology
>>61381792
Looks a bit similar to MiG-9
>>61382679
>Soviet design
>>61382485
we shot 3 of those down piloted by russians with brewsters,they are not that good
>>61382744
God damned Finland stop proud of your nazi murderers genocide history. Even japanese and germans don't do that openly.
>>61382744
Let's not always blame the plane though
>>61380847
Sorry no.
>>61382956
>proof of 'Jews fear samurai'
>>61382733
Ah, Flight Deck Defender. They have funnier planes at that museum
>>61379038
GERMAN DESIGN.
NEVER MADE IN JAPAN BECAUSE >TFW SHIT CHEMICAL INDUSTRY
>>61383206
6 bombers in 4 minutes,you cannot top that
>>61381762
UWAAAAH
>>61383270
But you guys were occupied by us at that time…
>>61383206
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_World_War_II_flying_aces
HAHAHAHAHA
>>61379293
Oh, hey, the XP-85 Goblin.
>>61379585
The A6M3 had ZERO safety features. Plus the Army equivalents were beaten by fucking P40s
>>61379629
Still a shit plane.
>>61381671
Wobbled so hard it literally shook itself apart.
>>61380388
Awful? It was so dangerous the same test pilot had to fly all 6 test flights before it was scrapped. It also turned out that you can't turn a B-29 into a flying carrier without lewd loli magic planelegs.
>>61383431
NOT AN ARGUMENT. THE KOMET WAS A GERMAN DESIGN.
>>61381059
>Ho229
>Stealth
Kek. Wehraboo, please. Covering a plane in goo doesn't make it stealth.
>>61383059
Sorry, yes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petr_Ufimtsev
>>61383508
Sunshine,
Western Allied pilots had a set amount of hours then they were sent back to train others. For example, 28 kill ace Robert Johnson flew a mere 89 sorties during the war, and he was flying an extended tour.
>>61378584
Most of those are Nazi designs that were reverse engineered or overseen by actual Nazi scientists who defected to America.
>>61379629
Mainly because the it was Leningrad region with supply difficulties and because of poor education quality of soviet pilots.
>>61381059
The germans wanted to achieve the sonic speed with Ho IX. And after that they wanted to have a sonic bomber which could reach US.
>>61383583
>The A6M3 had ZERO safety features.
>Safety features
Are you gay? Git gud
>>61383803
airacobras and mig 1-3:s are bad...okay
bretty much that is all they were facing in 1943 before getting phased out by me109:s
only gripe finnish pilots had about the brewster was the low calibre of its guns,since migs and airacobras had armor proctecting the pilot,and the finnish pendulum dogfighting tactic favored the killing of pilots by short bursts to the cockpit at short range
russians favored the spanish circle which is really vulvernable to pendulum technique
>>61383641
You must not know much about aviation. Ufimtsev had nothing to do with the technology. His initial theories developed the numbers to use as a basis to explore experiments in stealth. What Lockheed did was take his pioneering work and expound on it to the level that was akin to a whole new galaxy.
Once again, Russians had nothing to do with original US stealth technology development
>>61383967
Gitting gud means nothing if you die.
>>61383981
>russians favored the spanish circle
Hans-Joachim Marseille perfected attacks on defensive circles in North Africa against the RAF. Using him as an example, one can imagine the mayhem that could be inflicted against lesser skilled opposition when an ace knows how to slice into the circle.
>>61384137
Thats the reason why it was good though.
>>61384245
it was done in spanish civil war,we had one our air force generals in ricthofen academy before the winter war and he brought the pendulum mechanic from there,but we used 2-3 planes to do it unlike the n-spain in spanish civil war
>>61383981
Cobras were kinda difficult to pilot (if you managed to fly an I-16, Mig or P-39, you can fly everything) and they had that awful 37mm cannon.
Yak-1 had almost no armor.
Migs are bad at low altitudes and have weak weaponry.
>spanish circle
Actually, never met this thing in the literature. Many russian pilots have prefered dogfighting instead of something like boom-n-zoom, because of problems with educating new pilots.
If you have watched "Onlly "old men" are going into battle", then you could remember that new pilots in the squadron (it's 1943 in the movie) were taught only to do simple tasks like takeoff and landing.
>>61384044
>Lockheed took his pioneering work
>Russians had nothing to do with original US stealth technology development
Pls.
>>61384483
those that were downed here usually had that colt cannon and other arnaments changed to 3-5 russian berezin 50 cals
that was later in the war of course
>>61384550
Are you dense?
The actual physical development, construction and testing was fully original. The Soviets couldn't even begin to have an equivalent during that era. Quite simply it was beyond their capabilities at that time. And that's not being insulting, that was just the way it was.
>>61384831
>The actual physical development, construction and testing was fully original
Based on his research.
>The Soviets couldn't even begin to
No, they simply ignored him because they initially didn't appreciate the usefulness of this technology.
>>61384771
So you say that some P-39 were rearmed with UB machine guns instead of all the original guns?
Wow. For example, the maximum modification at other fronts was removing some armor and wing machine guns to gain better speed.
>>61385002
More like "they couldn't put the technology in a good use". His talent was appreciated since he got some awards.
>>61385002
Based on his INITIAL research. Lockheed and the US DoD took it much further. If you want to read about it from someone who was involved in the development try Skunk Works: A Personal Memoir of My Years at Lockheed by Ben Rich.
>>61385158
This.
Theory into development can sometimes verge on the impossible for a certain time and place.
>>61385002
His calculations were used to decrease the radar cross-section of rocket warheads.
All the disgusting gooks insulting American technology.
American friends I think they need another nuke to remind them their place.
Someone post more SR-71 please
>>61385484
SR71 request on the way.
>>61385158
No, more like exactly what I said. Military ignored his research because they didn't think it would be of any use. As a mathematician he was of course appreciated nevertheless.
>>61385212
Yep, they took HIS research and put it in use. It's still his research.
>>61385320
>impossible for a certain time and place
Too bad this is not the case.
>>61385324
When?
>>61385670
http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/media/068/SR-71A%20Front%20Cockpit.html
>>61380389
That makes you no better, my Chinese enemy.
>>61380482
So then all Chinese outside China are now not Chinese?
They also said that Taiwan is part of China. The UN's official position is one nation, two systems.
>>61385760
Around the late 70s.
>>61385760
Taking "basic" calculations and physically designing and building an aircraft are two different things. Was he an aircraft designer? No. Did he have the capability to develop his "basic" work to apply on an aircraft which was something out of science fiction? No, he would have needed aviation specialists to work with.
But the eventual F-117 didn't even have an equivalent Soviet program.
>>61385795
Somebody made an SR-71 cockpit wallpaper that showed excellent detail. I sure wish i remembered where i stored it.
>>61385921
Which warheads and missiles? According to who? The only source I could find claims that "stealth is useless anyway, since Serbs shot one down" literally in the next sentence.
>>61386067
Yes, it is two different things, one based on another. More specifically American stealth program is based on Ufimtsev work.
>But the eventual F-117 didn't even have an equivalent Soviet program.
That is because they ignored his research. Says more of short-sighted generals than of some "technological incapability" you try to imply here.
>>61379038
But that's just a repainted Komet.
>>61378584
Why were the experimental weapon designs so crazy-looking back then? You don't see this kind of shit nowadays.
Also, most of these planes were in BF 1942.
>>61380356
*sexy
>>61386411
>"technological incapability" you try to imply here.
I wish i still had the source materials but i lost everything in a house fire years ago. I'll go with this and you can look up Soviet experimental and prototype work on your own. In certain very crucial aspects such as metallurgy and even engine design, the US had a very big edge. Notice that there was never a Soviet SR-71 type aircraft, they just couldn't do it at the time to the same quality. Stealth was pretty much the same applied to a different level. It was cutting edge of a whole new scene and it took a whole lot of experience working with prior arcane projects to get right.
>>61386970
>I have nothing to factually confirm my claim with, so you have to believe me
No, anon. Not how it works.
>Notice that there was never a Soviet SR-71 type aircraft
Why would Soviets want such a piece-production unarmed crap with almost 40% crash rate if they had more than a thousand MiG-25s? You tell me.
>>61388883
You lost.
Every detail is freely available online and ex Soviet aviation personnel dating back to Viktor Belenko stated that the Mig 25 couldn't handle an SR-71 as flew too high and fast.
PS-Hope you have a fire in your lifetime also.
>>61380589
France has always been one of the leaders in the industry:
we created airbus, ariane (leader in satellite launch business) and Dassult (the guy selling the falcons) and have good military fighters.
>>61391017
French aviation has always been rather underestimated for some reason. From the Cold War on France has produced some great aircraft.
>>61390721
>Viktor Belenko stated
Nice source, lol. Doesn't make SR-71 any less of a piece-production unarmed crap with almost 40% crash rate.
>>61381589
>a-am I cute?
>>61392803
Are you retarded or something? They only made 32 of the things and they were the cutting edge highest performing aircraft in the world operating at limits that no other conventional aircraft has ever attained. And they did it for over 30 years.
You better hope you don't mention your shit on any serious aviation forum or they will laugh you right out.
Here you go, OP
>Japanese """"""""""""""""""city""""""""""""""""""
>>61392803
>SR-71
>crap
>>61380505
It was nicknamed "flying dorito"
>>61394961
So like I said, it is a piece-production aircraft with almost 40% crash rate. It is crap. Meanwhile similarly preforming MiG-25 was built in hundreds and was suitable for a large variety of tasks. It sure was high preforming, but it was shit nevertheless.
>>61395792
>40% crash rate
>Piece production
>Single role
>Not crap
Pls. Leave your memes aside. I get that kids like it for being "kool", but reality is a bit different.
who /hypeforsr-72/?
Explain this, nipnigger.
>FLAWLESS
>COMBAT
>RECORD
>>61396454
The brain damage is severe with this one.
Mig 25 was capable of exactly two things. 1- Interceptor. 2-Reconnaissance.
And note that once the Israelis got F-15s they proceeded to shoot down a few in short order.
Mig 25 is a classic aircraft but don't make it more than what it is.
>NO
>EQUIVALENT
>ANYWHERE
>>61378584
You see simon. We have two planes in one, so enemy think there is one, but then there is TWO!
>125000lb TOTAL PAYLOAD (57000kg for non-patriots)
>62.5 TONS
>MACH .92
>5900 MILE RANGE
To be fair, the Tu-160 is pretty much neck-and-neck with this thing.
>>61396765
rugged beauty.
>>61397032
>>61396830
We really have perfected the long-range bomber.
>>61397401
I feel the same about the BUFF.
>Get a long, chamfered metal cylinder
>Rivet on some swept wings and 8 jet engines
Bam, airframe that can fly for 90 years.
Not sure we'll have much use for such massive payloads from the Bone and BUFF in the future, though.
>>61378914
>>61380650
There is nothing wrong with swept-wing Canard concept of turboprop pusher plane, Japan itself copied a bit from the XP-55.
"Flying bathtubs"
>>61397637
maybe, if we still used these things.
>25 megatons
>fireball would be 4 miles wide
>third degree burns 32 miles from ground zero
and the b-52 could carry two of them.
>>61382744
Were P-38 sent to USSR by lend-lease? I know we had large number of P-39 and some amount of P-47 in Leningrad front.
>>61398064
>Weighs less than a GBU-43
That's insane. We could probably deploy them from C-130s if we wanted to.
Either way, super high-yield nukes aren't too useful. A megaton or so is more than sufficient to level a city, after that point what are you aiming to do?
Also
>Bone can carry 24 B61s or B83s
>>61379629
t. Illu
>>61396765
>Following Desert Storm, two no-fly zones over Iraq were set up, and enforced typically by US and UK aircraft. In one incident, an attack on up to 600 Kurdish refugees by Iraqi helicopters at Chamchamal, northern Iraq, was observed by a flight of F-15Es. As they were not allowed to open fire, the F-15Es instead conducted several high speed passes as close as possible to the Iraqi helicopters to create severe wake-turbulence, while aiming lasers at the helicopter's cockpits to attempt to blind their crews; this caused the crash of one Hind. Afterwards, USAF leadership ordered F-15Es not to fly below 10,000 feet (3,000 m) to deter a repetition.
>>61380684
In the beginning maybe, and it doesn't matter because its ours now.
i love this plane.
B-1 is best than B-2, B-52.
>>61396765
>In May 1983, two Israeli Air Force aircraft, an F-15 Eagle and an A-4 Skyhawk, collided in mid-air during a training exercise over the Negev region, in Israel. Notably, the F-15 – with a crew of two – managed to land safely at a nearby airbase, despite having its right wing almost completely sheared off in the collision. The lifting body properties of the F-15, together with its overabundant engine thrust, allowed the pilot to achieve this unique feat.[1]
>>61396806
>Mig 25 was capable of exactly two things. 1- Interceptor. 2-Reconnaissance.
3. Bomber.
>don't make it more than what it is
I'm not. It's what you are doing with SR-71. I get that it's a cult aircraft among Americans, but reality is different.
>>61399128
Nothing but yid propaganda.
>>61378584
not built, but was on the design board
http://www.luft46.com/mess/me109z.html
>>61399373
Stay mad, rapebaby. The F-15 BTFO everything the Russians had in every engagement.
Thoughts on the f-35? There seems to be a massive hatejerk on it but I'm convinced it'll turn out alright.
>>61383641
>229
>stealthy
David Myhra plz go
>The russians invented it
Love this meme
Radlab developed the salisbury screen and ram paints during ww2 in the US.
The US had already flown "stealthy" aircraft withufefore ufimtsev work was ever published
>>61399673
Never met Su-27 in combat. F-18 BTFO by MiG-25. Stay mad, goy.
>>61399886
>salisbury screen
RAM is a mere add-on for geometry. You can smear F-15 in goo, but it will not make it stealth. Geometry will.
>>61399940
Woo. a single F/A 18 out of a strike package gets downed and the MIG 25 is all conquering. What about the MIG 25s that got downed by F-15Cs
>>61400071
Except not at all
The idea of reflecting radar by bouncing it off shapes has largely been reduced to radar absorption with materials rather than geometric shapes
It's why the f117 is a pointy triangle and more modern stealth variants are not
Of course shape still plays a role
But material is more important
>>61400071
The funny
Because lockheed did both with the U2 program and noticed very worthwhile reductions in radar return, enough to be very obviously worthwhile
>Proper shaping
Now this is needed if you want to go from 1/10 or 1/100 of a return and get it down to 1/1000 or smaller. This is where the russians math helped, but the big innovation was with computers that let you do the math very rapidly and iterate the design down to very low rcs returns.
However people had a pretty good idea if what sort of shaping made sense before that commie paper became known. See the sr-71, kingfish, quite bird, ect.
It should also be noted that external shaping is half the battle. Internal reflections are killer and this is something the US figured out entirely on its own.
>>61399262
Would have been quite lackluster as a bomber. No payload worthy of the name and straight and level vulnerable at altitude.
>comparing mig 25 to sr71
?????
>>61400298
Forgot pic ;^)
>>61400227
Except yes, absolutely. Shape doesn't mean aircraft has to be pointy, it means that it should follow specific pattern described by Ufimtsev. While RAM is just an add-on to mitigate irregularities. Naturally it plays its role, but the shape is what makes aircraft stealth.
>>61400382
>design plane to intercept B-70s
>it scares the shit out of the usaaf
>they cancel the B-70
>make the f-15 in response
>then capture a mig-25
>lol it had a giant wing because its made if steel lol
>it cant turn for shit lol
>it engines blow
>vacuum tubes lol
Thanks USSR
>>61400508
>Except yes, absolutely. Shape doesn't mean aircraft has to be pointy, it means that it should follow specific pattern described by Ufimtsev. While RAM is just an add-on to mitigate irregularities. Naturally it plays its role, but the shape is what makes aircraft stealth.
You really have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about
Stealth absolutely requires ram materials in order to combat corner and interior reflections, reattenuation and the like.
You arent going to be able to make a stealthy aircraft out of any kind of metal without radar absorbant materials.
>>61400729
Oh and I should add
>it doesnt have to be pointy XD
Radar is a specular reflection and to minimize that you go with sharp leading edges. Look at a b-2s leading edge - its terrible for aero but great for stealth, so the aero gets cucked by thr rcs.
>>61400609
>>it cant turn for shit lol
>>it engines blow
>>vacuum tubes lol
It wasn't all that bad for it's intended role as a high altitude Interceptor. The problem was the US thought it was a multi purpose aircraft.
>>61400330
Did you even read the pic? It could do bombing from stratosphere while moving at Mach 2 and still be precise enough to hit strategic targets.
>>61400609
>it cant turn for shit lol
It's an interceptor, dumbass.
>it engines blow
>vacuum tubes lol
Nice memes.
>>61400858
Yeah, they extrapolated the size from spy photos and assumed it was titaniam+high temp aluminum alloys like in the US.
The engine bit was because some libyan 25 pilot rammed the throttles forward and went from subsonic to 3.6 really fast. It was tracked by a us radar station and it put the fear of god into the usaf. But it turned out that the guys killed the engines by doing that
>>61400729
>RAM is just an add-on to mitigate irregularities
>ram materials in order to combat corner and interior reflections, reattenuation and the like
>You really have no fucking idea what the hell you are talking about
Dude, what?
>to minimize that you go with sharp leading edges
I mean as pointy as F-117 compared to F-22. F-117 was pointy because contemporary computers didn't allow to calculate a better shape for it. You are not going to make anything even remotely stealthy with just smearing it in RAM.
>>61401336
How about instead of parroting simple laymens explanations of stealth, you actually pick up a fucking book on the topic and learn about it?
Thats my point, because you are repeating a bunch of half truths and bs.
>You are not going to make anything even remotely stealthy with just smearing it in RAM.
But the us did exactly this with the U-2, as well as experiments with b-47s, b-49s, ect
>>61401629
Oops heres the book
>>61379893
It was that way to reduce weight hence increase range. A very important attribute for a pre WWII carrier fighter. To counter the lack of armour and guns, the Japs made it very manueverable for it's day when the conventional thinking was naval fighters are by design, inferior to land based fighters. It was a shock to the Brits and the US when first encountered. Compare it to the British Swordfish aka stringbag and US Brewster Buffalo, not the later fighters. The Japs could not produce better fighters in enough numbers later due to shit industry and lack of raw materials.
>>61399880
Look like shit compared to the F-22.
B E S T P L A N E
>>61401629
None of which were stealth. Like I said, simply smearing an aircraft on RAM doesn't make it stealth.
>>61401336
>You are not going to make anything even remotely stealthy with just smearing it in RAM.
Stealthy enough to beat state of the art soviet radar doesnt count right?
>>61401695
Iirc, the designer of the zero realized that by making structural members as long as possible then he could hit ghe required tensile strength while having a very thin member. This and their fetish for adding lightening holes made the zero a featherweight
>>61380091
>"Hans, why are you not sticking the cockpit on the end of the fuselage?"
>"Frans, you idiot! because it looks cooler this way!"
More info about BEST PLANE
>>61402374
The production model a cute!
>>61402489
Anyone else have a black widow boner?
>the germans invented stealth
>it was all the russians
Loving Every Laugh
>its a USA invents tv controlled drones and kills japs with them episode
When will FDR pay for his DRONE CRIMES?
>>61402565
I do, although the production version wasnt as qt
>>61402374
I want to protect her smile.
>its a US invents dozens of guided weapons but people only know about the germans thread
Thanks hitler channel
>>61401085
I had that pic a few years ago. The kind of setup that would have made a SAM crew's dream come true.
>>61402121
>beat state of the art soviet radar
Happened when exactly, lol?
>>61403050
Cool story, because I made it this February.
>The kind of setup that would have made a SAM crew's dream come true.
What SAM? Like MIM-23, lol? Western SAMs sucked.
>>61402699
That's so fucking cool, thanks for posting. Quick google revealed it's a TDR-1.
How were TV signals relayed to control aircraft? Radio signals? It's mind-blowing we had this technology in WWII.
>>61403466
>it doesn't count cuz it was vietnam!!!
So you're just conceding that you are full of shit?
>>61403466
Straight and level at. Great for aproaching a defended target area.
Dutch planes best plaens.
>>61403536
>Radio signals?
Yes
A chase plane following behind would recieve the signals, and a pilot in that chase plane would be looking at a tv screen controlling it with a joystick
50mile or so range on that radio iirc
>>61383508
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Bong
>Dick Bong
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>>61382256
HERE'S SOME AMERICAN TECHNOLOGY FOR YOU FUCKING NIPS
>>61403962
nice set up with proxies man
If any air nerd in this thread ever makes it out the Ohio, do check this out.
http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/
>>61380287
Kinda sexy tbqh
They also have a virtual tour
http://www.nmusafvirtualtour.com/full/tour-std.html
>>61404140
And it paved the way for the f-104
Too bad it was underpowered
P-51 Mustang
Or Fatman
>>61404174
noice
wish I could see it in person
;^)
>>61403551
Did you just really brought up Vietnam, lol? SAMs downed thousands aircraft there.
>>61404647
No
Your whole point was "hurr ram is useless its all shaping!"
>Engineerss reduced the radar signature of a jet-powered Q-2C Firebee by fitting a specially designed screen over the engine's air intake, placing radar-absorbing blankets on the fuselage sides, and covering the aircraft with a newly developed anti-radar paint.
Pic related. A drone that flew 68 missions over north vietnam
>>61404647
AAA was the big killer. Sams were merely bothersome but if a pilot had a good idea where they were coming from they could be dodged. Also PAVN launched countless SAMS out of the divina's envelope. COL. Robert Olds once reported being over Thud Ridge in the vicinity of Hanoi and having 18 SAMs fired at his flight with none being a serious threat.
>>61404842
>Your whole point was "hurr ram is useless its all shaping!"
No, it wasn't. My point was that "RAM is just an add-on to mitigate irregularities". Like with your example where they put screens on the aircraft and then smear it in RAM to cover shit sticking out. It doesn't make a VLO aircraft.
>>61404973
Sure thing pal, also USA won.
>>61405452
>It doesn't make a VLO aircraft.
Oh please
What definition for vlo are you using? 1/1000 the rcs or 1/100?
>>61405452
You just got your shit pushed in again so you are acting like a bitch. You are woefully lacking in the knowledge to go toe to toe in this thread.
>>61392803
Calm down there East Germany.
>Portugal confirmed KC-390 for their Air-Force
Good lads.
>>61405452
>"RAM is just an add-on to mitigate irregularities".
Have fun trying to get any kind of worthwhile reduction from pure shaping
>Look ma, we getting a slight reduction at one wavelength!
>>61378584
*kamikaze pirot commits sudoku*
whoa... so honorabre... rearry makes u thingk...
>>61405452
"Tom and Pete went to work in the cockpit estimating our fuel and trying to decide if we could stay. It was decided we could continue where we were but we would not make it back to Takhli. The second RB-66 said he was too low on fuel to loiter and needed to Return To Base (RTB). Tom asked me if our equipment was all working and did we agree to staying on. There was no question in any of our minds that we would stay.
Refueling and returning to the orbit area was out of the question, as we couldn’t have done it and made it back to our orbit on time. Therefore we advised Red Crown that we were staying. Each minute seemed to last a life time as we continued our orbit. I noticed that the early warning and search radars were still at work and then I began to get a Fan Song signal that showed up on my warning receiver. It was to the west of us! We were still northwest of Hanoi.
The Fan Song was only a weak one ring signal that came and went. As we turned to the southwest bound leg of our race track orbit the Fan Song came on strong and steady at our 2 o’clock position. It was a full three rings and then it went to the edge of my scope. I put jammers on it and alerted the crew. Nutter announced he had a launch indication and I passed that on to Tom.
I called for a split S maneuver to change heading and altitude quickly. I dispensed a burst of chaff as we started our evasion. We dropped 4000 ft. and ended up heading back to the northeast. We used this tactic often. Tom would roll inverted and pull back on the stick to make a half loop. Tom had seen one missile while we were inverted. As we rolled out we were faced with two new Fan Song signals, one coming from our 7 o’clock and the second from our 3 o’clock. I got the jammers on these signals and advised the crew. I also issued a SAM warning as it was time for the RF-101 to be making its run."
>>61405640
"All of a sudden a bunch of Fire Can AAA radars came on as well as a third Fan Song. Soon there was a missile launch signal. We were at the north end of our orbit again and Tom called back to ask for instructions. I asked for another split S as the RF-101 should have been exiting his photo run if he was still in one piece.
We were now down to about 28,000 ft. and going about as fast as an RB-66 could go. Tom could see a lot of AAA below us and decided to stay at our new altitude. We headed mostly south rather than risk heading back into the SAM that was west of us. We heard the RF-101 call RTB and we congratulated ourselves.
About ten more minutes passed when Pete commented on the intercom that we might make U-Dorn RTAFB if we were lucky. Tom got on the radio and advised Red Crown of our fuel situation. Having declared a fuel emergency we were cleared for a straight in approach to U-Dorn.
I had no idea how close we came to not making it back until as we pulled off the runway onto the taxiway the right engine shut down. Tom called the tower to let them know we were out of fuel and then he shut down the left engine. We just climbed out of the airplane and stood there as we marveled at our luck.
The Reconnaissance Wing Commander was coming toward us fast in his station wagon. He stopped and jumped out to greet and thank us. He was a very happy man: not only had his pilot made it home but so had we. As a bonus the pilot of the first RF-101 had been picked up by the rescue forces."
>>61405567
That aircraft looks like it is straight-up tripping balls.
Is Germany mad that the US cucked the shit out of their stealth fighter?
>>61405640
Theres a fun audio recording of a b-52 raid where they're calling out the missiles launches as they happen. Tons are sent up but none hit
>>61405713
How so?
>>61397032
Surprised the hell out of me when I learned that that thing can technically carry more payload by weight than a B-52
>>61405705
You might find this interesting
Bit of a long read but lots of interesting details about the countermeasures developed during the vietnam era
https://steveblank.com/2009/04/27/the-secret-history-of-silicon-valley-part-vi-the-secret-life-of-fred-terman-and-stanford/
>>61405509
1/1000 of what? You can't just put stealth on an aircraft. You can reduce its signature, but it will not make it VLO.
>>61405510
Nice lack of argumentation, clown.
>>61405574
No, you have fun trying to get any kind of worthwhile reduction from smearing it in RAM.
>My point was that "RAM is just an add-on to mitigate irregularities"
>from pure shaping
Can't you read? RAM is needed to mitigate irregularities. Main component is geometry.
>>61405640
>Lose thousands aircraft
>Well, there's one report
Please.
>>61405727
Depending on sources, the PAVN launched between 600 and 1000+ SAMs at B-52s during Linebacker 2. You figured they would have had more than 16 kills considering those B-52s were straight and level flying and flying a very predictable flightpath right in the heart of the air defense layout.
>>61405927
Just look at the windscreens in the first picture. However it was edited makes the polarization in the glass stand out a crazy amount and it's all rainbow spirals.
>>61406029
You are getting beat down so hard it isn't even funny.
>>61406063
Eugene, stop projecting so hard.
>>61405944
It sucks that they only built 100 B-1bs. I've been very lucky to meet a bone pilot, very select few at this point. Really the only reason they're keeping the B-52s is the fact that the platform is incredibly robust so it'll last forever and they have a ton of spare parts sitting in the desert.
Such an awesome plane, and it came from doubt after doubt of its efficacy and utility. Planes like this give me hope that the f-35 is gonna kick ass.
>>61406057
Oh lol. There's also a Boening KC-767 being painted in US coming for our air-force.
>>61406097
One of my aircraft technician certificate test proctors was a former B-1 pilot. I really should've tried kicking up a conversation with him but I'm really timid when it comes to stuff like that; I hate feeling nosy and I know some people don't always like to talk about their experiences (I know that's more an infantry/direct combat thing, but still).
IMO as far as the F-35 goes, the only credible criticisms I believe it deserves are the protracted development and shitty software coding. Aside from that it's performing very well from what I can tell, and with the potential for some awesome modern weapon systems, I really think it'll at least perform it's job well.
Too based and sexy for this world :'(
>>61379699
designed to last
>>61406029
Here's just a bit for your education...
When Thunder Rolled: An F-105 Pilot Over North Vietnam
Palace Cobra: A Fighter Pilot in the Vietnam Air War
by Ed Rasmius
On his second tour he was in a SAM Hunter Killer flight.
>>61406029
Ok so your straight up clueless then
>But shaping is not enough to achieve what people call “true” stealth. For that, we do need materials and coatings to further reduce radar reflections.
http://www.analysis.williamdoneil.com/Stealth.pdf
>British Hentai aeroplane
>>61407426
Miles did it better
>so many good designs
>none make it to production
Being Miles was suffering
>Father of the spitfire designs a 4 engine bomber
>Very promising design
>Building a prototype
>Building the jigs
>Germans bomb the factory
>Everything gets destroyed
>Including all the plans because there was only one set
Was he robbed?
Because RJ Mitchell may have designed a bomber every bit as versatile as the Lancaster.
>British Hentai aeroplane
America makes the best meme planes
>>61407036
It doesn't refute my point. Geometry is the main component.
>>61407851
we're the only ones who can afford to.
>American propeller F-84. Yanks love propeller.
>>61407622
Your cunt got btfo so hard in every area of aircraft development
Be glad we dropped a-bombs on you because you were going to get massively ass raped by american air power.
>Carrier aircraft
>Up to 8,400 lb (3,810 kg) of bombs or four torpedoes
>Four torpedoes
>>61407874
>hurr ram is just used because of surface irregularities
>literally completely wrong
>my main point still stands :))))))
>>61407899
The XF-84H was hilariously ridiculous.
"The XF-84H was quite possibly the loudest aircraft ever built (rivaled only by the Russian Tupolev Tu-95 "Bear" bomber[16]), earning the nickname "Thunderscreech" as well as the "Mighty Ear Banger".[17] On the ground "run ups", the prototypes could reportedly be heard 25 miles (40 km) away.[18] Unlike standard propellers that turn at subsonic speeds, the outer 24–30 inches (61–76 cm) of the blades on the XF-84H's propeller traveled faster than the speed of sound even at idle thrust, producing a continuous visible sonic boom that radiated laterally from the propellers for hundreds of yards. The shock wave was actually powerful enough to knock a man down; an unfortunate crew chief who was inside a nearby C-47 was severely incapacitated during a 30-minute ground run.[18] Coupled with the already considerable noise from the subsonic aspect of the propeller and the dual turbines, the aircraft was notorious for inducing severe nausea and headaches among ground crews.[11] In one report, a Republic engineer suffered a seizure after close range exposure to the shock waves emanating from a powered-up XF-84H.[19]"
>American VTOL but it couldn't VTOL.
>This is American technology
>>61407899
>supersonic tips
yes plz
>>61407982
that's fucking metal
>>61407987
It worked very well in a subscale demonstrator, which worked better than expected.
What wasnt understood then was the severity of duct losses. Lots of aircraft of that era suffered problems related to underestimating the losses. The lockheed l-1011 center engine is a good example.
>British Hentai aeroplane
>It has asymmetry cockpit
>>61408115
Wtf man
>American airplane
>This is not Dassault and SAAB
Wh-why are y-y-y-you sho......
>>61408194
C-wing
Lower induced drag, with a slightly smaller footprint
>>61403962
10/10
>>61379246
>>61379290
Foromosan banter sucks
A CUTE
>British Hentai Engine
pure bae
>British Hentai compact aeroplane
>It can keep in your garage
>>61407982
doesn't even need weapons, just do a low pass over the enemy.
>>61408481
It was to prevent yaw in case of an engine out - a common problem then
>>61408542
What?
Thats pure voodoo improvement
>>61408740
Made me think of this honestly, although loosely related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Aao7oO6SJ4
>>61386885
In wartime, any crazy idea will be approved as long as you can make an argument for how it might be an advantage to have one.
>It has 75mm cannon
>This is America!! Fuck yeah!!
>"Yanks’s idea level"
>>61409043
And it fucked you guys up
>at a range of two miles they open up
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cEek5IvGYKg
>British Hentai aeroplane
>American design
here's a stealth blimp
>>61407874
Guess i'll call it a night.
Haven't seen an asskicking like this in quite a while. Hope you recover soon and try again.
