Why are Light Novels so shitty? Is there a reason behind this? Every story feels the same. Videogame world, incest, harems. Are there any good ones out there? And how is that the Anime adaptations sell so well?
>>139504150
Most LN authors are talentless hacks who can't draw manga or write "real" novels.
Colorful, fast, "deep". Normies will like anything that just spoon feeds them a story, while trying to say it has a deeper meaning. If it ever slows down they will drop it immediately. It has to explain what happened in the past episode instead of you trying to figure it out yourself. I.E. all the normies who say Neon Genesis Evangelion is a boring show.
fast food
Cause they're meant for kids.
Battle Academy harems and MMO settings are "in" right now.
To be fair, I'll take those over never-ending battle shounens being as popular as they were just a few years ago.
>>139504150
They're literally written by teenagers.
Good ones are rare.
I'd recommend Kino's Journey, Haruhi (if you're into that stuff), Monogatari, and Baccano.
>>139504150
Spice & Wolf is pretty good
Because it sells to the complete retards who make up 90% of the anime fanbase in the west and to the pathetic otakus in Japan.
See: Shit like KonoSuba is somehow popular despite being a pile of garbage.
>>139505853
>Monogatari
This is also a mediocre LN harem with incest (sisters) and pedophilia (snail). Some scenes are cliche. Kizumonogatari LN is very cliche. But it has very good fanservice
>>139504150
Light Novels are easy to make and are profitable pandering to retards
Its not that hard to understand
>>139504150
>Why are Light Novels so shitty?
First, we need to take a look at how one ends up writing a light novel in this modern age. I'll try and keep it brief.
Lets say we have Mr.Writer. Mr.Writer is an otaku or plans to pander to otakus for cash. So here's the deal, he has 3 routes.
1. Make an anime series.
2. Make a manga.
3. Make a light novel.
Option number one is fucking hard. First you need to learn how to draw, be fucking retarded enough to live on pennies animating bullshit inbetweens for something stupid like 40 yen a page until you finally move on to keyframes, becoming a director and then somehow getting enough money to produce your own show. (Which by the way is almost fucking impossible these days).
Option number two is slightly easier, all you need to do is learn to draw. It doesn't even have to be that well. Sure, you need to know anatomy, perspective and a whole bunch of other fundamentals but after a year or two of solid training you'll probably be good enough to draw a manga. Congrats, now you have to get serialized and have someone rip your name to shreds because you're first few ideas will probably suck dick. But hey, maybe you'll do well enough and have someone do step one for you!
cont.
>>139508650
Here's where option 3 comes in. Mr.Writer wants all of the benefits of option 1 and 2 but doesn't want the self sacrifice of years of hard work, what is Mr.Writer supposed to do? Well that's easy, all he needs to do is come up with a marketable enough idea. (Read: Not well done, just will sell.) Once he comes up with a decent enough idea he will go on pixiv and hire someone who can already draw to draw his made up chinese cartoons for him because decent artists on pixiv are a dime a dozen, and the artist is more than likely to oblige. He doesn't want to missout on getting picked for maybe the next Konosuba, Danmachi or Asterisk Wars.
So where does this leave us? With a metric fuck-ton of garbage that gets processed through a bunch of online competitions through various publishers. The people just begging to have their ideas published for an obscene cut of their own margin.
This is why LNs suck. they're not supposed to be good, just very marketable and again. Hey, maybe you'll get an anime without any of the self sacrifice. In the end, publishing a LN could only take you a months worth of time instead of years that other routes take.
What happened to SAO? Are they in a fencing game now? Is kirito dual wielding rapiers now?
>>139508650
>>139508736
Good point
Consider it's a very lucrative medium. Some of the best-selling adaptation animes have been LNs.
And when the standards are so low, why the fuck would you even need to try anything more than boilerplate?
>>139508736
So thats why usually LN art looks crappy as fuck...
>>139508800
>Is kirito dual wielding rapiers now?
That is far too thick to be a rapier, even by anime standards.
I just want Alicization not whatever this bullshit is.
>>139512539
>implying Alicization doesn't suck just as much.
>>139504150
There is a lot of good ones, just didn't sell well and rather unpopular.
Example of translated one is Rakuin no Monshou, chink translations have more I think.
>>139505726
Fuck you.
Never ending Shonen >>>>>LN's
>>139515534
It has wild ride points
>>139517008
More like bullshit points. And they're all negative.
>>139505726
>never-ending battle shounens
I thought those would be around forever, but it doesn't look like anything will be as big as the Big 3 again. Jump's been trying to shill new ones for ages but nothing's really caught on. My Hero Academia will probably do well but I don't see it getting Naruto big.
Why do people hate light novels when they don't read them?
You don't see threads complaining about how manga are shit because shit like Naruto or Fairy Tail exist.
>>139517205
Naruto and Fairy Tale don't make up 90% of anime.
>>139517072
DO you have the pasta by any chance?
>>139517205
Those "people" are probably the same 3-4 people who make threads like these cause the only thing they've read is garbage.
>>139517205
>Why do people hate light novels when they don't read them?
I read some, but the popular ones are all the same bullshit. Some of the most "obscure" ones are somewhat decent.
>>139508650
What about porn games
Oh god, SAO actually got another full season? Fucking how? Literally the only redeeming quality of the series was the setting of the first half of S1, which they didn't even use well.
>>139517711
I think it's a movie, not a series.
>>139504150
They are literally the young adult novels of japan
What did you fucking expect?
>>139517757
>They are literally the young adult novels of japan
Not exactly, Japan has novels targeted to young adults. LN are a different thing because they're specially targeted to the otaku. That's why they have anime tropes and the like.
>>139504150
Just gotta read the more fun ones, like all of the Kamachi works that aren't Index.
>>139504150
I'm sure it's just because you aren't reading anything except battle harems or something. Surely there are LNs out there that don't instantly make me want to gag when I read the first few pages because it feels like it was written by a pent up 12 year old. I just haven't found them yet. Right?
That said, I don't really read that much. Kamachi seems like a fun read though, I just need to make time to sit down and plow through a volume or two.
Why are they so fucking dry?
Is it the translations or are the japs just this boring when it comes to writing?
>>139518046
Both
Only LN I've read are the 4 Danmachi LNs that are out.
Don't go in expecting good writing and you won't be so disappointed. Just go along with the story and ignore the shitty writing and maybe you'll enjoy it.
It's no better than anime or manga, don't expect some well written story.
>>139504150
>Are there any good ones out there?
I was about to say Hyouka, but I think those are real books and not LNs, I'm not sure about it.
>>139504150
Purple haze feeback, Overheaven, Kino
Kawakami LNs are ridiculously indepth and well-thought out if you like really autistic authors.
>>139518046
Being literal with jap turns every main verb into 'is' and it's fucking unbearable.
This can all be said about cute girls doing cute things series, but with school/real life slice of life, yuri, and voyeur cast. It's hypocritical as hell to make all these complaints in the thread, when it can be applied to just about any genre/medium related to anime. Why are you even watching anime in general if you hate these things that are so deeply ingrained in anime and related mediums?
Why do normalfags come to /a/ from probably /v/ or some other normalfag nest and show that they have utter entry level taste and knowledge?
>>139504150
Any LNs from Iruma Hitoma are good. Better than NisiOisiN
LNs are the endgame of otaku writing
If you plan on enjoying anime/manga in the future you better get used to LN writing because soon it will be everywhere
>>139518854
I haven't read an SoL or CGDCT LN so I might be wrong but, wouldn't it be extremely boring if it was just text? The main point in reading or watching CGDCT is the cute girls obviously so not being able to see them sounds like a serious down side.
Stop your complaining and read some real good light novel that is much better than SAO.
>>139504150
A lot of LNs are shit, but that's the same as saying that a lot of mangos or animus are shit. A LN is a book type that panders to teens and has an average length of around half a normal novel. There are loads of good ones out there but the majority of the LNs that get translated/made into an anime are ultra generic because they are what sell the most.There are some weird cases, though. For example: GATE. The novel wasn't selling well so each book was split in half and given moe images. Suddenly it sold extremely well
In the end, don't blame the books, blame the Nips with shitty taste and a tonne of otaku yen.
Do you like reading ECONOMICS?
>>139520833
Also chapter 4 was recently out for manga. I love ECONOMICS.
>>139520833
>>139520909
What series?
>>139521519
Everyone is a semen demon aka Koushaku Reijou no Tashinami.
>>139521519
Or if you want me to be serious, a office lady that dies and reincarnates into an otome game villainess that already reached her bad end and is ready to do some ECONOMICS. Everyone in this novel is good looking.
>>139504150
Light novels are the YA fiction of Japan. They're intended to be consumed without much thought.
Watch From the New World. It's a show about a totalitarian society that kills its kids in order to survive.
>>139521954
>kills it's kids to survive
Why do people like the "death game" scenario?
>>139522148
> Shinsekai Yori
> death game
people are gonna be so triggered especially the reviewers if they see your post. And no, it is not that.
>>139522148
>>139522148
From the New World is not a "death game." It's more of a thriller that puts together an interesting explanation as to just why it's so fucked up.
As for why people like the "death game" scenario. It's because the heightened sense of risk is something that civilians in a stable society never experiences. Typically these narratives follow a character you project yourself onto (or can at least relate with) and these individuals go through harrowing trials to survive. Sounds fun, no?
>>139521954
>society that kills its kids in order to survive.
Sounds like the opposite of what anyone would try to do, but Im sure there is some hamfisted reason so they can sell the premise
>>139518046
Prose is dry mostly because translators don't seem to get that highly literal styles just don't work with descriptive text. You need to be playful with the script without losing content to keep readers interested.These things wouldn't sell if their prose in their native language was so hard to get through.
>>139522732
It's not hamfisted. The whole premise of the show is centered around figuring out the mechanics of the society. Long story short, it's a very Nazi-esque society where any aberrations are culled.
>>139523418
I guess it doesnt sound interesting to me.
>>139504150
>I dont like things who others likes bawwwww
>>139523458
Fair enough. It's a very "artsy" type of show that has limited appeal, but it is cut from a very different stock than a Sword Art Online.
>>139521954
SSY wasn't based on a light novel, but an actual novel.
>>139504150
They're meant for teenagers, you idiot. Of course they're trash.
>>139524013
The audience is mostly 25+ years old
>People willingly choose to read LNs instead of the wealth of good literature available
>>139524598
this tbqh
What kind of faggot do you have to be to read a child's novel and expect actual quality?
>>139524598
>Literature
>good
It's just as shit mate.
>>139524598
To be fair, LN enthusiasts are not readers in general. They've just found a narrative/character/world that really appeals to them and is not represented in other mediums.
>>139517205
it's probably the same autistic subhuman being an autistic subhuman
>>139524598
LNs are miles easier to read if in Japanese
>>139524704
If you think books born from real and genuine concerns and inquisitiveness of their authors are the same as putting anime tropes together to make a quick buck from tasteless manchildren you are truly lost
>>139524598
Manga is just as bad as LNs. Nips are awful at writing and can't compare to the superior western standard.
>>139524800
Some of them were decent, but you are ignoring the fact that western literature just redoes the same things as well, only to a different taste. 95% or more of "great literature" is just as shitty as the 95% of shitty LNs.
>>139524920
Im not ignoring that, of course there is lots of shit everywhere, but he did compare all of literature from all eras to LNs which are 100% a product and its a comparison that doesnt make any sense.
I don't understand people who read LNs unless it's an LN that continues an anime adaption they really liked.
LNs have all the stupid cliches and shit writing that plague the anime industry with none of the positives (music, voice acting, animation, art, etc.)
Literally why? Especially considering that unless you're Japanese, you're reading a poor translation of a poorly written story.
>>139524980
Well I'll also be honest and just say I've always been interested in fantasy and western novels just never scratched the itch. LotR was alright, and there's a few others I need to get around to but they're few and far between.
>>139525040
I picked up the other Kamachi novels after Index and found them to be a lot better, it helps that they're translated by one of the few good fan translators.
>>139525040
Not all of them are like that. You should probably read a few hidden gems that lie around. Like this.
>genre fiction novels
>young adult novels
>light novels
plebs, all of you
>>139524846
I agree, to be honest. I like a lot of Japanese media, but my real passion is literature, and Japan just can't even compete.
>>139525040
Those cliches and shit writing all apply doubly so to manga and anime though. It's all shit compared to proper film, art, and animation if you look at all of it with proper standards. The animation is almost always shit compared to Western animation, the music is low quality, the voice acting only seems good and not cringy as fuck because you aren't a native Japanese speaker, the art is almost always shit-detail, etc. Why are you even here if you have normalfag taste? Do you only come here for entry level shit?
>>139525227
>watching anime instead of high-class film
>reading manga instead of looking at art
>accepting any anime plots when there's fine literature instead
plebs, all of you
>>139525240
>Shit compared to western animation
Compare a show to a show, not to a movie.
>>139525227
I will read pretty much anything except for western romance novelsMills and Boon are far worse than any LN publisherand I find some LNs to be a fun read.
>>139525238
Some of them are rather interesting, one of the rather strange yet enticing light novels that I am reading is Shinigami wo tabeta shoujo where a girl becomes a shinigami as a result of devouring death in her starving moments.
>>139525285
>le irony mem
>>139525240
This.
If you like anime already it doesnt take much to get into LNs
Its a guilty pleasure type of thing, its shit but its unique shit that only Japan makes
>>139525311
Western animation, even shit-tier TV, has smoother animation and better in-between frames than anime thanks to the budgets.
>>139525364
True, but a lot of them end up looking worse.
>>139525353
Fuck off back to /r9k/, /v/, reddit, or whatever shithole you crawled out of. Your taste and memes betray you.
LNs don't have cute anime girls on screen all the time, it offers me nothing.
>>139525364
The animation may be smoother, but the artstyles tend to be much more simplified as well. Plus many of the more action oriented ones have a lot of jarring stills mid-action, though that also happens in a lot of anime.
>>139525406
Thats because you like anime art style better.
In before anime is so diverse, we are making generalizations here for the sake of the argument
>>139525499
Japan has become monstrously good at making limited animation look acceptable.
>>139525558
I think is more than people have gotten used to it.
when some anime manages to move somewhat nice people shit their pants in endless praise
Honestly the only one I've found that I've liked out of the whole "reincarnated into some other world" concept is that one about the programmer who becomes a giant magic robot pilot. He's not inherently OP, he's just good at programming and that happens to be a skill that's needed in this world. As far as I remember, he isn't even a good pilot either; he's just a good developer.
God I wish I could remember the name. I read up to what was translated then burnt out.
Pic very slightly but not really related.
It depends all on the writing and directing that LNs could be animated. In many cases, the directing can overshadow the terrible script of the LN but the ones with good writing are usually overlooked and taken less seriously like the Twelve kingdoms.
>>139525622
Well to be fair, television animation productions have not seen Looney Toons tier animation in decades.
>>139517205
>Why do people hate light novels when they don't read them?
Easy target.
Few will actually bother defending them, because no one really sees them as prime literature or anything. Just entertainment.
The same can be said about Manga, but like I said, easier target, here on a board that's about manga and anime specifically.
>>139517751
>Implying it's not getting another season.
A-1 has already announced they'll keep making anime adaptations for as long as Kawahara continues to write. At Sakura-Con, they also said they'd start on Season 3 once the movie is finished, so expect SAO 3 in 2018.
>>139518046
The LN/WN translation scene has been pretty bleak. Especially with how Web Novels can just be translated through google, and no one really bothers to do proper translations of the novels instead.
That said, they were never really quality writing to begin with, so I'm not sure how much we're missing out on.
>>139525792
Some of the translations are good, depends on the translator. But you can tell the difference if it is machine translated. You just need to keep looking.
>>139525240
>the music is low quality
Haha, no. Music in western films and shows is generally a lot worse than in Japanese stuff. I don't believe I've ever actually taken note of the music in anything western, simply because it's always so generic that I none of it catches my attention or remains in my memory.
>the voice acting only seems good and not cringy as fuck because you aren't a native Japanese speaker
Literal bullshit argument. It's not hard to tell apart bad voice acting from good even if you're not a native speaker.
>>139525364
>has smoother animation and better in-between frames than anime thanks to the budgets.
Yeah, but t's not particularly hard to make chicken scratch well-animated.
>>139507318
I'm surprised Monogatarifags aren't on your shit right now.
>>139525948
Other than the OPs and EDs I never care for music in anime, for me its non existent.
>>139525948
Sounds like you are just ignorant of western media, severely discount western animation, and don't know shit about the difference between anime voice acting and spoken Japanese. These unrealistic standards for LNs apply to everything. If you conveniently ignore anime or manga, you're either delusional or don't know shit about anime and manga.
>>139525999
I sometimes do, but rather than just anime, I'd say music for things meant for people who are for lack of a better term "nerds" tends to be far superior. Fantasy video games have a lot of the best orchestral tracks I've ever heard compared to movie soundtracks which almost all sound the same.
>>139526068
I also enjoy game music because they tend to be very melodic.
Movie soundtracks are always ambient music and not really enjoyable on their own
>>139526068
LN with ost by Susumu Hirasawa when?
>>139526248
I'd like one by Kumi Tanioka. Crystal Chronicles and her work in FFXI were great.
>>139508736
Not him but
if a full novel is something done by someone with at least decent writing skills, and put effort to it, each novel can be unique even if they follow the commons cliches and tropes of it genre.
meanwhile, Light Novels are the cheap mass produced version, they are basically fanfics, a serie gets popular, a bunch of otakus take the same setting and change
Othe name or the original characters, put some of their likes in there(fetish)remove a aspect they didn't like from the original work and fill it with a poorly done replacement.
of course, 1 LN from 1000 is actually good even if they use the "in" setting of the moment. Sometimes we get the luck of that 1 getting animated.
>>139526386
I want hungry Joan of arc to be animated.
>>139517881
but everybody hates heavy object.
>>139526461
Not really.
>>139504150
>And how is that the Anime adaptations sell so well?
What the fuck are you smoking?
>>139526386
That comparison may just as well be between anime and film/literature classics. If a full film is something done by people with at least decent cinematography, music scoring, writing, and direction skills, each film can be unique even if they follow the common cliches and tropes of its genre. Meanwhile, anime are the cheap mass-produced version. They are basically fanfics. A series gets popular, a bunch of otakus take the same setting, and change the name of the original characters while putting some of their likes into the anime while removing aspects of the original work that they didn't like. Then they release it as a poorly done replacement. Of course, 1 anime from 1000 is actually good even if they use the "in" setting of the moment. Sometimes they get the luck of that 1 getting good sales or a sequel.
>>139516840
Nah.
Story with proper closure >>>>> unlimited milking works
>>139505853
>Gatari
That series has to be, unironically speaking, the most overrated major franchise on this board at the moment.
>people complain about unoriginality and moe female casts
>go back to watching CGDCT SOL after posting
I don't get it.
>>139526585
Funny you say that because thats the biggest flaw I find to manga and LNs.
Their episodic nature. Most authors have no idea how the story is going to develop and just drag the plot around so much that when you read it all in one go it feels very disjointed and messy.
Unlike books that are published in one go, bam there it is all of it with its ending and everything
>>139526461
Nah, the threads were comfy as hell even with the sabotage by the announcement
>>139526698
>People actually talking about literature in LNs
You shouldn't take any of this seriously.
>>139526698
People complain about moe?
>>139526724
The same is true with most anime. Especially slice of life series. Anime that are wrapped up without leaving a bunch of loose ends for sequels are very rare.
>>139525238
>>139524846
Literalutre in general is garbage. If you're going to read, read something worthwhile not fucking fiction shit.
>>139526733
tell that to the nips, they wanted more index and got angry when they reveal Object.
>>139526837
They wouldn't have been so salty about it if they announced it in a more reasonable way. Thinking on it though, I wonder why they didn't animate Zashiki Warashi, it seemed like it would be easier to market.
>>139526733
Yes comfy.
>>139526837
The novels still have its decently sized fanbase that kept it going for 11 volumes and counting. I don't care as long as it keeps going.
>>139526864
How would you animate Zashiki Warashi though? It's basically Kamachi making Monogatari not shit. You'd have to go through all kinds of hells to animate it properly from volume 3 on.
>>139526698
You have something you hate that you don't get why there're people defend it, right?
Everyone else does, including those you don't get.
>>139526724
To be honest I have already sick for whole arc contained in one episode/volume because it make things predictable as fuck, which make me stick to manga instead.Thank you Korean Zombie for putting the final nail into the coffin.
>>139526550
More like any media today, the problem is that when creating and selling any work, no matter the medium, is more important than the quality, publishers and stuff drop anything that resemble a quality standart, and accept anything that will get enought people hooked, even if is just for a while and get money out it, and that anybody can become a author with just presenting the idea to someone willing to published doesn't help the case.
>>139508650
>>139508736
Basically this.
Minimum effort with a chance of getting maximum results.I, too, would delve into this faggotry without a second thought given the chance
>>139526724
I actually enjoy that a lot about LNs. It keeps things always serious in its volume and just put a few hints of a bigger plot there. If you need to go for a conclusion, you can finish it just fine in two or three volumes.
>>139526939
No idea, I'd love a decent full adaptation though if nothing else to get more fanart.
>>139526837
To be fair they were cockteasing with all the Index stuff.
>PR with Index characters gathering for the announcement
>Mami Kawada singing the OPs
>Touma and Misaka's VAs invited to speak
>NOPE HEAVY OBJECT
Many hearts were broken that day.
>>139527036
Considering how much anime anime and manga are being shit out these days in hope that maybe one series in a year makes a profit in BD sales, basically all 3 of those are minimal effort with a chance of getting maximum results when a Bakemonogatari or Evangelion happens. Granted, Bakemonogatari is a LN adaptation to begin with.
Phenomeno is sweet.
>>139527103
I'd take a low budget DEEN adaptation if it meant more Enbi art.
>>139527180
>tfw I thought this was Yuuko at first
>>139526883
wrong girl anon.
>>139527138
wow, that really happen? t-thas was just mean.
>>139504150
basically humans have shit taste, this is just easy statistics based on how many of us there are and how the average brain works. many brains will click with pandering childish cliches such as "cool guy who is a humble winner and player defeats everyone and gets all the girls" this is a fantasy shared by average brains, so naturally many people in the audience will cling and love it
another cliche for the average brain is "cool guy who has obvious flaws does not let them hold him back and even though he doesn't beat everyone up or get all the girls, his willpower alone will allow him to push beyond his limits and become the fantasy he was never meant to become" this fits in with TTGL, Naruto etc. this is the better of the two main cliches as it is less selfish and more realistic in nature. the fan acknowledges humans are flawed and wants to cling to the beautiful belief that all of us are capable of fighting past those flaws, and at the end we will be greater than what our flaws had us once believe. still flawed, but never letting them hold you back.
so basically if you enjoy cliche #1 you have the mindset of a middle school loser kid and if you enjoy cliche #2 you're relatively normal, anyone can enjoy #2 but it takes a special kind of selfish child to enjoy #1
>>139527180
>translations never
>>139504150
Sounds like you need some Kawakami in your life.
Go read Owari no Chronicle.
>>139527725
Why is it so easy to tell that you're from /v/?
>>139527725
On the right is rather a little inaccurate. Some of them are rather enjoyable like this. It is killing off a faggot's harem one by one.
>>139527775
Did something hit a nerve?
>>139504150
I only read them for world building anyways. I just look for interesting concepts I haven't seen elsewhere yet. I think the only one I read for anything else was Spice and Wolf, the rest was liking a concept and seeing where the author would go with it, quality of writing barely applies.
As such, most of the "classic, good literature" people always recommend ends up boring me to tears.
>>139527886
Yes, I hate seeing /v/ memes and rage comics on /a/.
Otaku and teenshave low standards
>shitty manga gets popular
Why is this manga so shit?
>shitty ln gets popular
Why are all light novels so shit?
>>139527982
Why are you watching anime if you have high standards?
>>139528015
The people saying "why is this manga so shit?" Have actually read other manga, and have manga they like. Or don't want to get mobbed by people with opposing views.
On the other hand, no one actually reads Light Novels, except for a niche group, so small that even here on /a/ you need an LN thread to get any discussion going, except for super hyped up novels with anime adaptations.
>>139528253
You aren't everyone. Stop projecting onto everything.
>Some of Schera's Cavalry in this thread
My niggas
>>139528715
Yes. I hope yuusha aruiwa will be translated. The prequel.
>>139526386
>they are basically fanfics
fanfics without an original
>>139527802
>Read everything in one go
I never though reading about someone killing faggot harem members would be this fun
Where can I find the LN illustrations? I want to see how Leivwhatever looks
>>139531035
Guy with big armor I think. I know that you can identify the loyal bro that is a canine.
>reading LNs
I'll stick to Dragonlance books for my shameful easy reading. Atleast those are written in english. Fan-translated LNs are a fucking abomination to read, either it's google translate or someone who just does a literal 1:1 and it becomes a non-sensical mess.
>>139531530
>Fan-translated LNs are a fucking abomination to read, either it's google translate or someone who just does a literal 1:1 and it becomes a non-sensical mess.
http://www.sousetsuka.com/p/blog-page_11.html
http://37.139.19.225/fanfic-gifting/
http://raisingthedead.ninja/current-j-z/slave-harem/
https://87percenttranslation.wordpress.com/2015/10/09/return-of-the-former-hero-1/
Shitty LNs and WNs don't always have to have crappy translations.
Also, any Dragonlance recs? I've been meaning to get into itread a few older books years ago but I can't remember which ones
>>139531138
10/10 would fight for
Charlotte looks as annoying as I imagined, and fuck Kurumi
>>139532474
Are those links meant to be examples for your argument or for his?
>>139527725
What do people see in Kawakami's works? Pointlessly thick LNs with lots of infodump that nobody cares
>>139505726
But magic battle harems are practically never-ending batle shounen, just with an otaku target demographic instead of kids. They use a lot of the same cliches, and are heavily arc dependent as in there is no overarching story line but multiple smaller ones that start after the last one ended.
>>139504150
Because most of them pander to the lowest common denominator.
They're pretty much the Japanese equivalent of YA literature.
>>139532571
for the argument that they aren't all google TL, literal TL or nonsensical mess.
>>139532474
Sorry, can't give any recs. I just got a stack of 10 of them at a garage sale for a couple bucks and I enjoy reading a short story out of them every now and then.
Arent LNs /jp/?
Ive never been sure.
>>139532787
I'm afraid these aren't very good examples, then
>>139532795
They sould be /lit/, I guess. But they're in a gray area since they're much more suited for other boards.
>>139532795
/jp/ and /h/ moved to /a/
>>139532808
how so? They're translated fairly well.
>>139508650
>Sure, you need to know anatomy, perspective and a whole bunch of other fundamentals
Bullshit. If all the QUALITY threads have taught me anything, you just need an excess of DRAMA and no real drawing skills to make a Shoujo manga.
>>139532908
Girls care about character relationships first and foremost after all so that is no surprise
>>139532795
Mods say so, but I've never seen an LN thread on /jp/ past 30 posts.
To be more accurate, of the like 60 times I've checked, I've seen one dead LN thread.
Plenty of Touhou and Visual Novels, though. Paradise for that shit.
>>139532895
They're terrible actually
>>139525981
>Implying anyone gets off reading the toothbrush scene.
>>139532895
In a previous thread, someone was actually pointing out how the Slave Harem translator couldn't translate a basic line about a horse.
And that series is utter shit to begin with and isn't worth reading even if it is translated well.
>>139533078
What series is good then
>>139533112
For a starter, Sevens.
>>139532656
If you had actually read them you'd know that most of the thickness of the novels come from character interactions and glorious banter.
Also, the guy is great at making fun settings, which is a key part in separating boring infodumps from interesting infodumps.
>>139533489
Not him, but my biggest turn off for the Kawakami series is that literally everyone wears body suits. I mean, just a few characters I'd be into it, but damn.
I just want some variety and maybe stupid looking futuristic clothing.
Otherwise his stuff is great.
If you compare an average book, lets say, color of magic to all LNs how would it fare?
>>139533630
I haven't read color of magic, but average book > LN if you care about how things are written.
>>139504670
Why did you contradict yourself in your example?
Normies say that shit show has deep meaning when its just one autistic nips tantrum over having his wife devorce him thus causing him to literally make the plot retarded. Its basically just bland crap all the way through.
>>139527637
He never said he dropped it. He's just doing Zaregoto incredibly slowly first.
>>139533630
Not as good as KonoSuba / 10.
>>139532656
>What do people see in Kawakami's works?
We see effort.
The madman went through the effort of making sure everything in his novels works for an in-universe reason. He built a fucking world for his stories, he has notes and drawings of everything, ships, houses, places, people, etc. He made 3D models of stuff, houses, ships, everything. Everything happens for a reason, you just have to pay attention, or think a little.
When they made an anime adaptation of his novels, he went to the meetings with notes and everything. When someone asked something, he brings out a folder with the relevant information. The official encyclopedia of the anime is over 700 fucking pages with all the drawings and everything they did for the anime, that's almost as much pages as a single volume of the novels.
All that work, and he still fucking manages to hand in his books on time to the publisher.
>>139533931
Ok so he is an autist
Doesnt really mean anything
>>139504150
I think that's because they are "light" - an easy read for someone who enjoys fast action, colourful anime illustrations, waifus and "taboo" softcore fetishes like basic brother-sister incest with nothing lewd happening. It's something a high school student or a salary man can read while on a train to school or work. They are not meant to be deep or thought-provoking - pure entertainment, with rare exceptions. This is also the reason anime adaptations sell so well - they are tailor-made for the lowest common denominator of the otaku, with battles, titties and work-safe fetishes.
As for the good ones, try Overlord - it's a pretty decent take on "stuck in a videogame" premise that is actuallt entertaining, and the MC is a mighty skeleton.
>>139534068
>What do people see in Kawakami's works?
>they see autism
It means everything.
>>139534123
You can relate huh
His stories are still awful drivel
>>139534169
>still awful drivel
>still
>as if being autism would somehow prevent that, rather than perfectly explaining it
>>139533574
I can see why that would be a problem.
At least in OnC they only have bodysuits when fighting and not when negotiating.
>>139505883
SEASON 3 NEVER EVER
>>139533931
>We see effort.
And yet it's still terrible schlock. Not even good schlock, terrible schlock.
Effort? Thought? One work is a world where a coin moving at Mach 2 is treated as some impressive fucking maneuver that destroys everything around it. Bullets move faster than that. Another work has a future world with functioning eugenics, and yet the commanding officer is seen as hot shit because her bloodline shits out a statistically higher number of boys. Choosing for sex is something we can do RIGHT NOW. And let's not forget seat belts that can strangle a pilot to death and the beta-est of betas who can't even fucking undo it because he might maybe accidentally slightly brush a boob. Why is a seat belt capable of doing that? Why does the seat need to be moved so far to the outside of the Object to be serviced? How does that make any sense? Where's the thought there? Where's the "effort" to not make you world's look stupid as fuck to basic common sense? Does it only count when you're drawing unrealistic giant balls on treads?
It's fine that people like this shit. It's fine that people love it. We all like shitty stuff. It's not fine that people treat these things as grandfucking enterprises in sophisticated thought. It's self insert "I'm so cool, everyone's all over my dick, I'm really just a normal guy who can stand up to people with super powers, I'm the one who teaches everyone else how to live correctly, I'm so smart because I'm the only one who understands Sun Tzu's The Art of War 101 and everyone else is written like drooling retards" rote, wish fulfilling bullshit just like the uncountable other works of schlock out there.
>>139534527
>Kawakami = Kamachi
Embarrassing.
>>139524846
Kawabata, Ishiguro, Murakami. Japanese lit has it's gems. These authors are pretty famous and their works are great even if you start to read them with western standards, especially Ishiguro.
>>139527911
this.
>>139534527
Kawakami is Horizon, not Index. Index is actually good. Horizon is drivel.
>>139504150
Made by otaku for otaku. It's like reading an anime when you could be watching an anime which makes no sense.
Plus I'm sure shitty translations are a part of it. It's hard to get into the japanese writing style when it's not actually japanese.
can a foreigner submit a light novel idea to japanese publishers? does kyoani accept foreigners for their light novel thing?
>>139535389
>can a foreigner submit a light novel idea to japanese publishers? does kyoani accept foreigners for their light novel thing?A boy falls in love with a girl
Jokes aside, what makes you think they will accept a foreigner LN idea when they already have thousands of chunnis applying for a chance to become a LN author?
>Can't write as fluently as a native
>Can't communicate well with the editor
>Not familiar with nip preferences
>It's difficult to have a groundbreaking idea when you have to compete with millions of chunni applicants to become a LN author
>>139535389
Only if you make being a foreigner your selling point somehow.
Good luck coming up with a gaijin story that otakujaps would care about though
>>139504150
I used to think exactly the same, then I read pic related.
Sometimes if you dig through a pile of shit, you'll find a diamond.
>>139535822
pic not related*
You're just not reading the right LNs.
I can't blame you too much if you're English-bound though. Still, you shouldn't be making sweeping statements from a position of ignorance.
>>139535845
>i'm an underage idiot
k then
>>139504462
No, they're middle schoolers who win awards and get their recasted fanfiction they call stories published.
Because literature doesn't have shonen power ups, edgy MCs, and hot women.
Basically, literature is shit because it is designed to appeal to normalfags concerned with reality and not the limits of fantasy.
>>139535911
Of course I don't deny that most LNs are bad. I can tell quite easily by just walking into a bookstore and seeing what lines the shelves. But if you search, you can easily find something worth reading.
>>139535956
>>139535911
>Im a shit eater
k then
>ctrl+f
>Maria-sama ga miteru
>0 results
I'll be crying myself to sleep tonight.
>>139535974
Eh? Is this supposed to be a joke?
LNs should be illegal.
>>139535974
>Basically, literature is shit because it is designed to appeal to normalfags concerned with reality and not the limits of fantasy.
>literature
>reality
Choose one.
>>139535974
Literature is all about fancy words
>>139536020
Are you sure you wanted to quote me (>>139535911)?
>>139536030
I'm still keeping hope in this age of reboots and sequels that we'll get the rest of the novels adapted someday.
>>139536073
What is it about? I bet's it's about "deep" shit like the human condition rather than anything actually fun or entertaining.
>>139524800
Not that guy but... BOOKS ARE SHIT.
Never has a book made me laugh.
Never has a book made me sad.
Never has a book made me aroused.
Never has a book even made me anxious about the fate of a character, or even so much as care about him.
And I've read a bunch of "world literature". I guess some folks are simply different in that matter. But they don't do anything for me.
>I bet's it's about "deep" shit like the human condition
Fuck. Please don't ever read anything, go watch akame ga kill! for the 11th time.
>>139536151
Wow, a newfag like you should really fuck off and lurk more.
>>139536413
Maybe you just don't like reading Anon? I got a book coming in sometime soon that is pretty much the only series and author I like. That said, I don't read that much either so I don't know much about other literature.
>>139536301
>>139536421
He's right though. Kafka is Murakami at his pseudo-intellectual worst. It's as bad as any light novel.
>>139536195
So much this.
I want to see them properly animate Touko becoming Yumi's imouto.
I want to see Yumi as a third year.
I want to hear Mamiko Noto play a high schooler again.
>>139536477
Embarassinng then.
>>139536421
>He thinks pondering over Man is any better than the worst of LN cliche shlock
It's LITERALLY humans trying to justify their own existence to themselves. It's fucking stupid and pointless.
>>139536541
kek, don't exaggerate. It wasn't like the The Wind-Up Bird Chronicle but it was still good. The riddles in was really enjoyable.
>>139536612
glad at least you read a review about it before posting.
Index was a surprisingly good read. I picked it up from where the anime left off, then went back and read the anime volumes.
All the random bullshit and good parts came together and it ended up being a wild entertaining ride. I understand why people are foaming at the mouths for a third season, the difference in source material between the first and second halves is so surreal.
>>139536666
>glad at least you read a review about it before posting.
But I didn't.
"Literature" is THAT predictable.
That's why I asked what it was about, dumbass.
>>139536666
Come on m8. The story was boring, the characters flat and the "magical-realism" was cliched as fuck. Murakami can only write one book about an old Japanese man who loves Jazz and has sex with hot women a lot younger than him or the young man who's going to become that man who has sex with hot women a lot older than him.
>>139536413
I think you have the problem here anon
Shit otaku writing has contaminated you
Lets just agree that enjoying fiction is childish and a waste of time but we do it anyways
>>139536413
If you like reading multiple pages describing MC's shit color, if you want to pretend to be an intellectual or if you like to look up in the dictionary words that you will never hear IRL, read books.
If you only care about the plot, don't read books
>>139536195
>IT IS JUST A PHASE SIS
>>139536813
>enjoying fiction is childish and a waste of time but we do it anyways
of course, this is /a/
>Lets just agree
where's the fun in that?
>>139524598
But western books can't have anime adaptation, and the only shittiest one got movies or live series.
>>139506176
One of the better answers
>>139511399
Usually the artwork is the only area where any talent and effort can be found but it's also primarily just bishoujo art so little room for experimentation
>>139537497
ASOIAF anime never
>>139535911
>Romeo
What's next? Maeda's LN?
All You Need is Kill and Fate/Zero were both Light Novels i think
>>139524598
But I am reading everything. Most of the shit I read isn't even fiction. Still like LNs and VNs.
>>139504150
Because LN authors try to make their titles and plots as ridiculous as possible.
>>139527307
The threads then were memorable, and not in a good way.
Rokka no Yuusha is entertaining enough, the fan-translation is very good as well
I still don't understand why the nips hate it so much
>>139527138
They wanted to increase HO LN sales, but I have to admit that was a pretty dick move
Don Quixote is LN tier
>>139536813
The whole point of life is to enjoy ourselves anwyay.
First chapter of DAL 14.
https://m.fuwa.se/ijlpgs.txt/DAL14c1.txt
I'm actually having fun reading the new one from Kamachi, even though I dislike the majority of his works.The Orc shouldn't have grown up and became such a ridiculous existence, though.
Chapter 2 will decide if I will drop it or not.
>>139541802
>Dat deformed thigh
You know what?
About the whole reincarnation thing...it's always dude or gal dies and gets reincarnated into a fantasy world. Why isn't it for once the reverse and with a different setting.
I'd like to see a sorcerer get killed in a fantasy world and get reincarnated in a cyberpunk setting.
>>139543005
closest is maou sama mcdonalds san he teleports to modern age
>>139543005
Because these webnovel authors can't write for shit son.
It's easier to copy pasta what others are doing, and add what you learned from the old jrpg you played when you were a kid.
>>139543578
Pity the anime didn't get a S2...
>>139543591
Seriously, and then the western audience has reasons to be calling Japan on having shit taste or having absolutely no creativity.
I'll bloody bet my left nut that a western guy with good writing skills would do a far better job at making a LN than those LN writers that simply repeat the same cliche.
>>139543934
The majority of content being unimaginative shit isn't really a Japan-exclusive concept.
>>139543934
The majority of anything written all over the world is shit, though.
>>139508736
but why are they marketable? in the western world, if you produce an obvious twilight ripoff, no publisher (except one that you own or have connections to) would accept it.
In japan, you can produce infinite stratos ripoffs and it gets accepted, no problem at all.
>>139544212
>>139544252
Yer right.
Pity however that nobody even tries to make a spin on a trope or cliche and combine it with good writing to make it more interesting.
>>139544291
doesn't seem to apply to Hunger Games ripoffs, weirdly
>>139544333
it happens, occasionally.
>>139544291
The sales expectations are far lower. Seriously, the best selling novels like Sword Art Online and Mahouka are selling 200k units. These are fucking abysmal numbers for an American publisher, but a LN publisher gets by just fine.
>>139544291
>if you produce an obvious twilight ripoff, no publisher (except one that you own or have connections to) would accept it.
pretty sure there was a wave of faggot vampire novels and similar shit after twilight.
>>139544333
To be fair, good writing is in-fucking-credibly hard.
>>139544433
Yeah, but the rarity is so high that finding one in a sea of mediocrity is sometimes either hard or nigh impossible.
>>139544542
Yeah. On the other hand one could go and read a lot of things in order to find a way to write stuff in a good way.
On the other hand even if you read a quintillion of books and then decide to go and write one, then the proper use of sujet and fabula would be required. Not to mention stuff like world-building, setting in what's acceptable in the setting and what is not, characters and character development...there are so many factors that I must agree with ya.
Good writing is in-fucking-credibly hard. Even for people who love to make stuff.
They're made by some teenager faggot so i don't read them, especially when some were originally just a shitty draft online with minor edits.
Moreover i don't like the fact of waiting 1 entire year just for 1 chapter of something to be translated, especially when it's a poor translation.
Does anyone know the name of the LN where the MC gets reincarnated as slime?
>>139544968
Tensei Shitara Slime Datta Ken
>>139544433
picture not related
>>139545103
Thanks.
>>139544333
They try. It just tends to flop as shit taste is a worldwide thing. At the very least obsessive fans don't usually come out for good and novel writing. Just look at Double arts vs Nisekoi as a prime example. A great and interesting story gets cancelled asap while the same writer/artist makes the most cliche piece of shit he can imagine and it's a juggernaut.
>>139525981
Because besides "mediocre" nothing in his post is even remotely inflammatory, and even "mediocre" is tame.
>>139544333
Good writing is subjective, and it's not the only factor when producing high quality entertainment. There's also usually little extrinsic reward for it from the creator's perspective.
>>139544758
i think all those aspects are somewhat independent. For example you can have amazing and captivating worldbuilding while the plot or dialogue are boring and railroaded. Or you can have entertaining characters stuck in a shitty setting.
So as long as the reader finds some aspect that really jibes with them some shortcomings should be acceptable.
It's probably what makes fanfiction work too. It just scratches a particular interest of some niche group.
>>139544291
Fifty Shades of Gray started out as a Twilight fanfic, you know.
>>139545596
No problemo.
>>139545685
You know? I actually had a plan for a LN because I was tired of waiting until someone did it, but thought it would never work.
I titled it Arca-Mercs.
It was a magitek fantasy world with giant robots. MC and his comrades are Imperial soldiers that got framed for a crime they did not commit and before they could be transferred to a prison on a island in the middle of nowhere, they break out, steal their mechs and a transport barge and skedaddle out to clear their names under the guise of mercenaries..
During that time they are joined by a number of individuals. A tomboy dark elf commando, a lizardman with a not!Dragon Slayer and who himself has dragon blood coursing through his veins, a pair of magical siblings (humans to be precise) whose powers grow the closer they are to each other, a dwarf engineer with a penchant for explosives and big guns, and a druidic beastwoman that could create a powerful golem from earth and stone.
I wanted something that would capture the spirit of Escaflowne or Dumbine and be done interestingly. Also putting some spirit from Front Mission into it.
>>139545967
Yeah, but then it's only a part of a whole.
>>139546088
Or you can either aim for the middleground, or somehow pull it off and make a work that has both entertaining characters and the setting being interesting.
But then again, just like >>139545967 said. Good writing is subjective, and you also gave a good point.
There are people that will like it, and those that won't. It's all about what niche it will scratch.
>>139546533
>Dumbine
Sorry for the misspelling. It's Dunbine.
>>139521753
does she get to do any lewd stuff
>>139504150
You know that there are a lot of lns out there that are aimed for different people right? Just because the ones adapted to anime are the bad ones doesn't mean that all of them are bad.
>>139546369
yes but the publisher made the author change i>
>>139544495
the american novel market is way larger than japan, factor in the ratio of both country's population then tell me what 200k would be in america and whether that would be good or bad
>>139521753
that sounds like maou for girls.
>>139546855
i forgot to mention, its not country population but the ratio of their relative markets. The LN market is much smaller than the novel market in america obviously.
>>139544291
Have you ever actually been to a library in the West? Pick a random fiction book off the shelves and you'll probably find something as enjoyable as the average LN.
>people here have bottom of the barrel standards and eat up the most autistic pandering slice of life shit
>people suddenly have very high standards when it comes to anything tangentially related to LNs
What?
>>139546533
How many cliches were you going to load in there? Holy shit.
>>139517751
It's a movie AND a series.
>>139547003
>love scifi
>pick up random scifi book
>interesting setting
>complex interplanetary politi-
>dear reader, please wait while the womanizing protagonist completes one of his six sex scenes in the book.
>the writer extolling the virtues of anti-gravity, genetically enhanced senses and all that shit for the purpose of sex over the course of several pages
>>139547116
To be precise?
Didn't have the slightest idea since it all ended on just planning.
>>139536505
No, the thing is that books have been around longer, which is a double edged sword. It means there's more good to that medium than in others, but it also means that's a lot more shit for every good book you find.
Sturgeon's law still applies, basically
>>139547194
Wouldn't YA books be better then?
>>139547086
do you apply the same standards to 20-page h-mango and 1000+ page novels?
>>139547509
That's comparing apples and oranges to try to justify a ridiculous double-standard, anon.
>>139504150
Because LN is for casuals that can't read real literature
>>139547491
Nah, they suck at everything else. I'll put up with the sex scenes. It's just that they sometimes seem shoehorned in to appeal to your base drives while other things are castles in the sky
>>139547631
Fuck off normalfag
LNs are aimed at stupid teenagers. They like reading about escapism from their boring high school lives, and want to feel special by inserting as the totally average and relatable guy who is secretly the chosen one/demon king/God. Poorly written power trips are what the genre is built on. Obviously there are plenty of good LNs to read, but I'm going to assume you're asking about the shit that gets low budget anime adaptations in bulk every season.
If you want to know why they suck, check the threads. There are people that just watch them for cute girls and cheap thrills, and then there are people who genuinely believe they have interesting stories and characters who "totally aren't generic". Every time you see an underage ESLfag type out "No, the anime is adapting the story badly, trust me it gets really epic on volume 9 when blah blah girl shows up and the awesome twist and the MC's powerup is explained! Trust me, I read spoilers on animesuki so you're just a secondary." you need to remember that those people are the target audience.
>>139548162
All of that applies to basically any anime. Particularly slice of life healing-type anime like Aria.
>>139547491
>YA books
They've been fucking annoying the hell out of me, especially the ones with female MCs.
Why do the authors always have to push shitty romance in their books?
Even fucking harems are better.
If you find light novels badly written, then make your own LN plot then.
>>139548291
aimed at teenagers. hormones. do the math.
>>139548357
Pretty sure there are regularly threads on /a/ for that.
>>139548357
coming up with am amazing idea from which to build is trivial. just look at the occasional
>post image, make an anime from it
>we come up with our own anime plot
threads.
Filling in the details and execution are just as important.
And then there is the great "will the effort be rewarded with sales" filter.
>>139548247
>All of that applies to basically any anime.
No it doesn't, not at all.
>>139548357
That's just stupid.
That's like telling a food critic to cook it better.
Or telling a trainer of a sports team to play better than the players.
Etc.
Even a normal person notices if something is good written or not without being a professional critic.
>>139548425
Coincidentally, all of the plots are ironic, contrarian hyper-westernized morally upstanding shit that don't hold up and are like if fucking Leddit made a plot.
>>139548511
Who would have guessed that NEETs can't write for shit.
LN are very very easy to make. The idea is to shit out hundreds of them in the hope one catches on. There's also a huge problem where all LN are designed to be ~3 volumes long. When they do catch on the author has to somehow stretch his story to 4-5x the planned length.
>>139548662
building in a contingency plan from the start should be mandatory
>>139548291
Does it happen that often? I'm okay with romance as long as it makes sense and it's a pairing I like. Why are the FeMC books so bad? I don't think I've ever read anything with a FeMC except Kumo desu ka.
>>139535389
If it was written in Japanese and they liked it enough to publish it, sure I guess. You'd probably have a tough time of it though. Some foreign novels have been licensed by Japanese publishers, translated into Japanese, and even have an artist to draw. That's more likely.
>>139548744
>Kumo desu ka
I'm talking about YA books.
And yes, there's shitty romance in almost all of them. And most of them are wish-fulfillment tier.
>>139525148
which one is that? google reverse image search gives 0 results
>>139535389
wasn't NGNL written by a foreigner?
>>139546855
The publisher didn't make the author change anything. She self-published originally and basically did a find+replace of the names, but Fifty Shades already had barely anything to do with Twilight. "Filing off the serial numbers" is what this is called.
>>139549047
He's a half-japanese that lived in japan pratically his whole life.
>>139523418
It's not really a Nazi society.
They just had to take extreme measures because everyone is a walking WMD.
>>139549047
He's "foreign" because he was born in Brazil, both his parents are native Japanese. And he only lived part of his childhood in Brazil, he moved to Japan in his adolescence and lived there most of his life. That's all it takes to be considered "foreign" in Japan.
>>139548442
Yes it does. Basically any thread for any series here is filled with escapist waifufags who want to be the MC of whatever series it is, or be the little girl if they can't even stand to be something remotely close to what they are. The Iyashikei genre that is so popular on /a/ is enjoyed as pure weeb escapism whether you like it or not, and is filled with horny teenagers fantasizing about being lewd lesbians or getting cock while living in their pure fantasy world. Take MeMeMe for example. Nearly everyone in threads for it rejects the intentions of the story of that, which show that it is unhealthy to be a 2d waifufag that rejects real life.
And do you know what, all of this is perfectly fine because /a/ is not some normalfag-friendly place like you want it to be.
But I suppose I should make comparisons using series that you probably prefer. When it comes down to it, people want to be Eren, Mikasa, or that black-haired gary stu in SnK. People want to be Saitama in OPM. People want to be Hououin Kyouma in Steins;Gate. People want to be Ichigo, Luffy, Naruto, Inuyasha, Gon, and any other shounen battle MC. Basically all anime is enjoyed for escapism with over-the-top battles, cute characters, and/or whatever else makes you want to escape into that world. And unsurprisingly most threads have fans that go to great lengths to defend the series and justify it, no matter if it's Love Live or Berserk.
>>139549088
I'm pretty sure both his parents are Japanese. If one of them is not native then they are probably Brazilian-born Japanese.
>>139549126
>MeMeMe
>SnK
>OPM
>Wild generalizations about iyashikei
Ah I get it, you're one of the idiots in this thread who doesn't actually watch anime and lurk /a/ but thinks you're an expert about all otaku media because they watch 3 shows a year and occasionally browse the catalog. Please go on to pretend it's all just escapism fap material and talk about how intelligent you are for reading REAL books.
>>139549126
>or that black-haired gary stu in SnK.
The manlet?
>>139504150
What about fate zero. I didn't read it but the anime was pretty good
>>139547194
>extolling the virtues of anti-gravity, genetically enhanced senses and all that shit for the purpose of sex
Reminds me of /m/ newtype sex.
>>139549115
He also has a spic name and doesn't look full japanese at all.
>>139549285
That's what it's pretty much calling you out on. It's referring to people that shit on LNs and similar stuff for being escapist and not being real serious literature while also pretending that anime isn't all escapism and the same shit through and through. Keep on holding LNs to your insanely high standards of real literature while also giving any anime a free pass I guess, but it won't make you any less delusional about it.
>>139549624
>It's referring to people that shit on LNs and similar stuff for being escapist
It's like you didn't even read my fucking post. Go ahead and read my original post again and then see if you can type up a coherent response.
>Keep on holding LNs to your insanely high standards of real literature while also giving any anime a free pass I guess, but it won't make you any less delusional about it.
Listen you fucking idiot, the "real" literature classification is retarded to begin with, that was my point. All fiction across any medium in any country contains an element of escapism in that anything that isn't a tragedy is naturally going to have characters meant to draw empathy from the viewer. We're talking about a very specific subset of LNs, and I've not once made broad sweeping generalizations about the medium. You, however, are pretending to be smart and making huge claims about anime and manga when it's clear you have little to no experience reading and watching them.
>>139549613
Hardly matters for an author, since a lot of LN authors live very private lives and publish under pen names anyway. And it's super common for mixed-ancestry Japanese to take new Japanese names when they move to Japan. It's basically tradition for anyone with Korean heritage.
>>139549624
>insanely high standards of real literature
>Implying most Western literature isn't just as shit
>>139549909
Nearly the entire thread is talking about the medium as a whole and applying extremely broad generalizations about it that can also be applied to just about any otaku media. Try to actually read the fucking thread and stop moving goalposts. Even your original post is referring to the medium as a whole and making huge generalizations as well as assumptions about LNs as well as the LN audience. You even call them out on reading for cute girls and escapism while complaining about secondaries while basically any thread on /a/ does the same shit. Did you even read your own fucking post, or are you seriously backpedaling that hard?
>>139550334
>Nearly the entire thread is talking about the medium as a whole
That does not excuse your inability to read my post. You missed what I said entirely, but still felt the need to open your mouth because you want to feel smart.
>Even your original post is referring to the medium as a whole
No you fucking idiot, read the post
>>139548162
>Obviously there are plenty of good LNs to read, but I'm going to assume you're asking about the shit that gets low budget anime adaptations in bulk every season.
>You even call them out on reading for cute girls and escapism while complaining about secondaries while basically any thread on /a/ does the same shit. Did you even read your own fucking post, or are you seriously backpedaling that hard?
Is English not your first language? At least then you'd have an excuse to be this fucking inept at reading.
>>139543005
>it's always dude or gal dies and gets reincarnated into a fantasy world. Why isn't it for once the reverse and with a different setting
Maximum self-insertion purposes
>Loner and loser MCs, nobody would shed a tear if they disappear
>Want to ran away from society and start over in a new place and Magic is awesome (fantasy world)
>Want to use their modern knowledge in order to be superior and have people around them suck their dick (medieval era)
>Elfs, dwarfs, demons, monsters because they like Dragon Quest
The reader wouldn't relate as much as this if it were in the other way round. Just think about someone with their knowledge from a medieval fantasy world comes to modern Japan.
>Teenagers: enroll in highschool. No redeemning qualities, cannot aim for the most intelligent of the school. If they could use magic, it would be the same as a normal battle harem anime.
>Adults: have to work (Hataraku Maou) and become a member of the boring nip society
I've only read two LN,kizumonogatari and konosuba,and i've liked both.
Does anyone have a good LN to recommend ?
>>139550433
>LNs are aimed at stupid teenagers. They like reading about escapism from their boring high school lives, and want to feel special by inserting as the totally average and relatable guy who is secretly the chosen one/demon king/God. Poorly written power trips are what the genre is built on.
>If you want to know why they suck, check the threads. There are people that just watch them for cute girls and cheap thrills, and then there are people who genuinely believe they have interesting stories and characters who "totally aren't generic". Every time you see an underage ESLfag type out "No, the anime is adapting the story badly, trust me it gets really epic on volume 9 when blah blah girl shows up and the awesome twist and the MC's powerup is explained! Trust me, I read spoilers on animesuki so you're just a secondary." you need to remember that those people are the target audience.
Did you seriously just cherrypick one small part of your post and expect people to ignore the vast majority of it? Keep on backpedaling and trying to pretend that people can't read when they catch your bullshit though. You might just backpedal all the way out of this shitty thread.
>>139550727
>Did you seriously just cherrypick one small part of your post
You mean the part that qualifies the entire thing? Yes, yes I do expect you to read that and understand what it meant. That's how context works.
Back to school, son.
>>139550787
In that case, you are the one that needs to go back to school because you were clearly referring to some nebulous made-up "anime adaptation" genre as the entire medium in your first sentence. Genre and medium aren't the same thing, anon. And "being adapted into anime" isn't a genre either.
>>139546533
>It was a magitek fantasy world with giant robots.
Regardless of the amount of cliches I've seen in your summary, I don't think it would work at all. Magitek fantasy stories have been out of fashion for quite a lot of time
>>139550648
Depends what you're looking for like any other medium.
>>139550981
>some nebulous made-up "anime adaptation" genre as the entire medium
No, you just skipped over the qualifier in the post. It's ok, I know reading is hard for you.
>And "being adapted into anime" isn't a genre either.
When people say "Shitty LNs that get adapted to anime in bulk" they mean battleharemshit. If you'd have spent more than 45 minutes on /a/ before posting, you would know this. Please don't pretend for even a second that there's even the slightest bit of ambiguity there, everyone knows what "those" LNs are referring to.
>>139550614
>Adults: have to work (Hataraku Maou) and become a member of the boring nip society
Just make maou go through with his plans for takeover. build a business empire while rationing your magic use.
Apply villain skills to business negotiations.
Throw in some strategic predicting abilities like did-nothing-wrong-light.
Fuck, isn't overthrowing the boring japanese life even more of a power fantasy?
>>139547631
>real literature
Real literature is shit. Something that could be sumarized in 1 sentence, they would use 1 full page of narrative elements, intentional use of difficult words, yoda sentence structures and so on. So the reader feels like he/she is some kind of big shot.
But the plot is ridiculously boring and stupid most of the times
>>139551134
Your original post was filled with assumptions and generalizations, so it's no surprise that you keep making assumptions and generalizations. Why even try to write in such a roundabout manner and not just say what you apparently want to say then? Of course the answer is that you fully intended to generalize the entire medium with standards that you don't apply to the rest of anime and included a cop-out escape in the post because even you don't believe the shit that you spew.
>this thread
>>139551496
kirito got a new outfit and asuna changed hair dyes?
>>139551284
Because nips can't comprehend someone overthrowing their society like that, and even if they did, they would just hate it since they would see it as primitive foreigners raping and overthrowing their culture.
How are the Spice & Wolf light novels?
>>139551379
>Your original post was filled with assumptions and generalizations,
Nope, your ignorance is just a direct result of your newfaggotry. It's ok, lurk for a couple more years and then try again.
>Why even try to write in such a roundabout manner and not just say what you apparently want to say then?
Because anyone who isn't a fucking idiot with no idea what they're talking about would understand what I wrote.
>Of course the answer is that you fully intended to generalize the entire medium with standards that you don't apply to the rest of anime and included a cop-out escape in the post because even you don't believe the shit that you spew.
Factually incorrect. Your analysis of anime and manga are completely unfounded, and I don't think all LNs are garbage as evidence by the ones I've purchased and read. If I honestly believed they were all shit, I wouldn't go out of my way to learn moon and read them.
>>139551379
>>139551595
Get a room
>>139504150
>Are there any good ones out there?
lol
Light Novels are basically the Young Adult novels of Japan.
Haruhi/Harry Potter spawned a wave of shitty copies made by chuuni.
>>139551545
I liked them well enough, good banter between the characters and it has some thought put into it.
>>139551542
ok, let's try this:
>evil overlords gets reincarnated into japanese body
>but there is a screwup
>there already is a normal japanese soul in the baby
>overlord has difficulties gaining control in this new world
>finally, at the age of 13, he manages to wrest some control over the body from his owner
>but it's not good enough, the struggle weakens his power. to achieve his goals he will have to cooperate with his new host
Continue from here with normal japanese schoolboy attenuating pure evil while somewhat going along with bad guys plans
You get everything. School setting. Superpowered edgy evil mode. Rapid rise through the power ladder. Angst. Excuses for doing h things.
>>139552028
Ava's demons
>>139551101
Darn.
Why do I always have to like things that are either niche in the extreme or are dying out?
>>139551284
Villians as MCs almost never have good endings (Death Note)
>>139552181
You wouldn't like that genre if it were fashionable and we got 3 magitek anime every season
>>139551496
They really aren't even trying anymore
>>139504150
Tons of LNs we see adapted nowadays are just slightly updated versions of popular web novels that got picked up for publication, which don't have any initial barriers of entry.
Unsurprisingly, lots of which happen to be formulaic bullshit like generic fantasy worlds that may or may not inexplicably borrow RPG terms and mechanics, if not outright operate on tabletop and video game nonsense. Reincarnated/transported main cast optional.
>>139551534
>>139552497
According to spoilers there is no fighting, only economy.
NotKirito killed off maou and is now starting an economic war against the countries to stop wars.
>>139504150
>Are there any good ones out there?
Whatever you're looking for, you're not gonna find it. Most translators are doing it because they're learning the language, so greatest common denom, easily accessible easy to translate stuff like SAO is the name of the game. Elsewise Narou shit.
If it's different than that but still popular it's probably Gagaga, and their stuff targets an older audience, so the language is more mature and harder to translate. In other words: you probably will never see most of their best stuff in a language you understand.
"Good" is such a fucking vague word anyways. Who the hell knows what your taste is besides you?
>>139552324
Would still like it depending on how would it be.
If shit, then not. But if done right, then it would be OK.
But then again I see what you are trying to say. Most of the time it's done either nebulously or done with the Todd Approach (aka: "IT JUST WORKS").
Then again, nobody would think about how stuff works and simply would want to read the story.
>>139552825
Execution is everything, no shit "if it was done well it would be good" this isn't an argument.
>>139551104
i'm pretty open,just give me your favorite one
>>139553160
Not that anon but i suggest there two english webnovels.
A hero's war
Mother of learning.
>>139553044
Maybe yer right. Maybe it's only half of the whole thing that finally comes to how successful a LN is.
Regardless, one would need to work hard to achieve success in the end. And most of the time LN writers barely make it. Some don't and they fade away into obscurity.
>>139553160
I have pretty casual taste, but my favorite is either Index or NGNL. I like worldbuilding and their settings are interesting. For character interaction you might want to look at something more like Spice and Wolf, but I've read very few stories like that.
>>139536739
WW3 was the best arc, nothing since has really interested me.
>>139553576
Not even NT9? That has pretty universal appeal.
>>139543005
Because reality > fiction makes sense as at least the character ( and writer ) can rely on tropes and common sense to understand reactions and what would happen.
But humans fundamentally can't understand fiction > reality or fiction > fiction because someone originating in a world with magic would have different expectations and thought processes that no longer apply meanwhile at least in reality > fiction the fictional worlds still have a basis that is based on our reality.
Imagine a sorcerer getting reincarnated anywhere else. It's completely pointless because their magical attributes is now meaningless, so now their magical knowledge is meaningless. they might have been just born in the new world to begin with.
Notice how in every reincarnation story the MC has -some- knowledge that they had in their previous life that allows them to be the MC in their new life.
>>139552212
that's ok
>>139552324
we're getting several mecha shows and it's never as bad as battle harem of the season.
>>139553650
>It's completely pointless because their magical attributes is now meaningless, so now their magical knowledge is meaningless
you know that's trivial to fix, right? you just need to make up a tiny bit more bullshit.
like that there used to be magic but blah blah exodus blah blah lost artifacts blah. trip to a museum, get magic artifact, be the only mage in the otherwise modern world.
You need to reach deeper into your ass if you want to write LNs.
>>139553749
Personally i hate them way more than anything(except shoujo/yaoi stuff).
>>139553650
>But humans fundamentally can't understand
What makes you think people are completely unable to put themselves into a different mindset? It's not even that hard you just have to put some forethought into your writing.
>>139553879
>be the only mage in the otherwise modern world.
But now you're breaking suspension of disbelief every page.
Modern humans more or less know their own past, so it raises too many question unless you cop out but if you do you're just going to end up with magical high school harem again.
>>139553650
Yeah, but then most MCs are OP due to additionally getting some new abilities that are broken or are simply ridiculous.
Then again, I like works like Ore to Kawazu-san no Isekai Hourouki, because the MC uses his OP as fuck powers to simply do stuff like bringing the internet into a fantasy setting and doing all kinds of fun things. No saving the world. No fighting the evil overlord or other bullshit. Just fun for the sake of fun...and making life easier.
>>139504150
>Are there any good ones out there?
終末なにしてますか? 忙しいですか? 救ってもらっていいですか?
Kinda new LN series thats pretty good. Its the LN versrsion of Madoka where you can enjoy cute girls suffering. Iam sure it will be a hit on /a/ when it gets an anime adaption.
>>139554006
>What makes you think people are completely unable to put themselves into a different mindset?
Because even on /tg/, a place were you're supposed to to know how to pretend to be having a different mindset, people still completely fail at it and display they an inability to think with an alien mindset.
See: All the threads where people try to apply modern morality to a fantasy setting ( most of which have canon gods, and afterlives, mind you! )
Literally the standard D&D alignment system is a prime example of this.
>Watch LN promoting anime
>like it
>obvious S2 never
>no one bothering translating the LN
Everytime.
>>139554224
Maybe I should be a writer then if it's that hard to most
>>139554266
>Watch LN-promoting anime
>like it
>obvious S2 never
>LN is translated at the slowest pace imagineable and has forced memes added in
Not every time, but it hurts so much more.
>>139554018
>it raises too many question
Questions nobody cares about. All kinds of magical bullshit is set in modern world world settings with only 0.01% of the people even taking notice that anything is happening at all.
Look at F/SN and all that stuff that was happening in the age of gods. In the present magic is fairly low-key, secret and nobody would believe it. Nobody questions it.
>>139554465
>>139554266
Just learn moon you lazy shits.
>>139504150
Do people honestly expect quality out of literal picture books for teenagers?
>>139554146
i don't read runes, but the cover images already make me want to lick their tears. sign me up.
>>139554626
>Just get motivated and make time to learn a completely different language and writing you will never really benefit from
Yeah give me a minute.
>>139554224
>All the threads where people try to apply modern morality to a fantasy setting ( most of which have canon gods, and afterlives, mind you! )
you basically need someone who is autistic enough to build an entire world-model in their head to serve as arbiter over such things.
They don't have to run your story, they just need to advise you on the "technical stuff".
Chief world architect.
>>139554620
>. All kinds of magical bullshit is set in modern world world settings with only 0.01% of the people even taking notice that anything is happening at all.
And it's completely retarded because of it.
If you can't understand why even the slightest bit of magically changes EVERYTHING then you shouldn't be trying to have opinions of modern setting with magic introduced.
>In the present magic is fairly low-key, secret and nobody would believe it. Nobody questions it.
Which again is fucking stupid in the age of cameras and video as well as a grail wars being fought and servants having the capacity to massacre cities. It's incredibly contrived and F/SN is a shit series and the only reason it's talked about is waifus.
>>139554146
How long did you have to study japanese to read this?
>>139554781
I did it. Stop being lazy.
Besides, knowing more languages can never hurt you.
>>139554843
It is translated.
>>139554146
Didn't it get a spin off or something?
>>139554834
Depending on how powerful are the mages it can always be handwaved as lol hypnotism
>>139554146
While we're at it.
Anyone here who has back ups of the translations so far?
The site seems to be offline.
>>139554846
>>139554846
Yes anon, I will totally believe you that you went through all that exclusively to read nihonese fanfics.
>>139554834
We're talking about LNs here. Not high-brow speculative fiction that tries to model the consequences of a small set of assumptions as accurately as possible.
>>139554937
*was
You can't talk anout LN like that unless you are @ stage C1 of Japanese, I am sorry bruh. Git gud.
Coming upon these threads are sorta refreshing, since it's the main reason why I wanted to write LNs. I agree, it's a lot fucking easier than doing your own anime/manga.
Though to be honest, its more akin to writing a short novel, just the difference being LNs tend to have pretty pictures in them and are from an eastern origin. In terms of being shit as a form of media, most forms of media have 1% that is actually good while the rest is trash.
There are decent LNs out there, but the translated ones are hard to find. If anything, your shitty web LNs where the author doesn't care about making money might be the best place to look for different stories, however it also edges with just being bad fanfiction.
ITT
>I don't like thing
>Nobody else should like it either
>>139555059
Actually it started because I wanted to play untranslated games.
But believe whatever you want to.
>>139555140
>your shitty web LNs where the author doesn't care about making money might be the best place to look for different stories
>however it also edges with just being bad fanfiction.
Sounds like the only difference from fanfiction is that they loosely steals ideas instead of taking settings or characters wholesale.
>>139554781
>you will never really benefit from
Then why complain about shit being untranslated at all? It's a fucking niche hobby, what you get out of it depends on your level of interest in it. The "benefit" you get out of it is being able to do what made you learn the language in the first place.
If you're not interested enough to do so or don't have the time to do so or just can't be bothered that's fine, but "it doesn't benefit me" is such a shit reasoning people give. Nothing /a/ related benefits you period.
It takes almost no effort to write them. real novels require some semblance of writing ability. LN's require the ability to form a sentence.
>>139554266
Where are the translations for TR? I thought it was still being translated.
>>139504150
It's a 'fast food literature'.
Don't expect 5 stars meal when you enter McDonalds.
>>139555252
The real bad thing is as an author, there is no way you've read every single work that would be called similar to your own.
With any works, there are tropes that people settle into, since its a way of guaranteeing your audience. I.E, Slice of Life High School already attracts a certain crowd.
The main thing that distinguishes good from bad is the execution, and relying off good story telling. Which when you throw in translation and other shit tends to get lost in some LNs making them terrible to read, despite the premise being nice.
>>139555529
A very accurate statement - though there can be good fast food joints too.
>>139555436
Again, depends on the writing style and the TL. You see the same thing in amateur novels and short story contests.
I know it's stupid, but got this very specific idea in my head and I want to know if it has already been invented:
A genre mix of mecha - think gundam- and magical girls (frilly dresses, not powersuits) doing space combat. Ideally with the faction with the weaker mechs, think zakus, using magical girl squads to gain tactical advantages.
The motivating idea is that vacuum is harsh. War is harsh. And you can get an emotional rollercoaster out of big mecha onii-chan protecting his magical loli and vice versa while also being separated by thick sheets of metal.
>>139555529
all you gotta do is find the Carls Jr then
>>139532708
>just with an otaku target demographic instead of kids.
Their target audience is maybe like, 3 years older and heavily overlaps dude. Chuuni shit is called chuuni shit for a reason.
LNs, like manga, have a far wider spectrum of content than appears in anime adaptions because when they try to adapt the more ambitious LN content they don't have the money to not be a total shitshow (excluding Horizon) and other kinds of stories gain pretty much nothing from being animated.
>>139556046
Now I've got reminded with that one idea with magical girls being the daughters of the local not!Kamen Riders and not!Sentai and whose transformations are based off their parents.
>>139558670
And there are still no crossover doujins...
>mfw Kawakami works are clasified as LNs
I mean, Horizon volume when thrown is probably deadly..
>>139504150
They allow for >>139504670
Fast, colorful story to be concentrated into form short enough to be read during train ride to school or work. Some actually run on interestomg premise or world setting, some are written by maniacs like Kawakami.
Most are killed by bad writing and less than perfect translations.
>>139535971
Worked for Lucas.
>Videogame world, incest, harems
Kagerou Daze was technically the most popular LN at one point(most sales per volume) and it had none of those things.
>>139525628
Does this title sound familiar?
>Da hate
>OP hasn't read one single LN
>Prejudice
Durarara was so good it was made into manga and anime. It's originally a LN.
>>139504150
Kino's Journey is neat as fuck. IIRC, it was originally meant to be a novel series but the author instead opted to make it a LN series. Really, it isn't even a conventional LN as it is a series of disconnected short stories featuring one of three completely different characters and their companions. There's the titular Kino and her talking motorbike Hermes who is more neutral and avoids active confrontation. There's Shizu, his dog and the white-haired loli Ti who is a massive moralfag and always tries to do the right thing even when things end up biting him in the ass. Then finally there are stories from when Kino's Master was young and her travels with her companion.
I want to see more stories animated. Master's cool as fuck and the chapter where Ti gets introduced is based on Plato's Cave, which is always neat.
>>139517205
I think that usually someone gets burned out reading a few shitty ones then just hates the medium forever.
I just skip over the ones I don't like and find ones that I do.
LN/WNs seem to have a bigger range for what ideas they will pursue, especially if its stupid or novel or sounds like a good premise. While most of it is downright fanfiction, I think I just enjoy it because it was originally japanese and not because its actually good.
>>139563856
>Master's cool as fuck and the chapter where Ti gets introduced is based on Plato's Cave, which is always neat.
I need to get around to reading that.
>>139565177
It's a Shizu chapter where he basically gets stuck with a bunch of dirty, disgruntled fishermen who live on the side of a decaying, massive super ship for about a month while on his way to another continent. Kino shows up too, but rather than choosing to stay with the poor fishermen she chose to stay with the people controlling the ship at the tower on it.
There's also a whole chapter about Master and her companion going to a country and listening to a little girl recite the name of the country.
Any recommendations for guys becoming girls light novels?
not comedys.
I need something I can identify with so I can kill myself for not being the MC of a light novel.
>>139565365
Its is also the second and last time (I think) that Shizu and Kino meet, too bad that there is no second season, and no translations of the new volumes
>>139565488
>and no translations of the new volumes
Supposedly they're a pretty easy read in moon.
>>139565726
Well, time to learn moonrunes
>>139565822
頑張ってくださーい～
>>139536413
>reading shit books
>>139504150
kenkyo kenjitsu
girl who ate death
katahane no riku
>>139524598
>instead of
>not as well as
>>139524598
>can't like one with without disliking this tangentially related other thing
Also what if I'm in the mood for somethinglight?
>>139504150
Not all of them are bad.
>>139570882
most are
haruhi was pretty good
>>139508800
thats not a rapier..... its hardley a sword
>>139571670
Can say the same about any medium.
I got this for a friend of mine the other day.
So, if any of the Japanese speaking people is interested, here you go. Since I haven't seen it online anywhere yet.
https://www.mediafire.com/?p286c08sfv60qe5
>>139572910
Oh shit, thanks. I was actually interested in how this is but sadly I am a poor jew that has to be picky with what I buy.
Also, the English description is hilarious.
>bikes don't have pegs for a second person
Can we be honest for a moment and admit rockstar are pretty much a bunch of fucking hacks.
>>139571861
How about any short?
>shitposting thread makes it to bump limit again
>>139544396
really? just look at Divergent.
>>139535389
The only tier lower than LNs is web novels. I'd suggest starting there — on the internet, no one knows you're not Japanese. It (can be) free and you can write & polish your nihongo at the same time with no expectations. Best case you even get an audience; worst case, no one will ever know it was you.That's what I'm working on doing
>>139577451
>Pretend to be nip
>submit web novel online
>get recognized by a publishing company
>remain anonymous under a pseudonym.
>get a manga adaptation
>get an anime adaptation
>the author was an /a/non all along.
>It's still shit.
>>139577575
the dream
>>139577451
>The only tier lower than LNs is web novels
Not really. Cell phone novels are even lower than web novels.
>>139577891
I-is there a difference?
>>139577891
Keit-ai?
>>139578027
Imagine novels with equally non-existent barriers of entry like web novels, but they're written out through things like text messages or emails with chapters being only a few hundred words long or less.
>>139544396
isn't that just a Battle Royale ripoff
>>139578136
A twitter novel? God forbid.
>>139578136
But then who was phone?
>>139577575
kek and what makes you think this already didn't happen?
>>139577891
>cell phone novels
That's not even a tier
>>139578136
How terrifying.
>>139578573
How many shows (anime specifically) are there, with source material written by people behind a pseudonym in recent times?
>>139516840
You can't be that fucking stupid. They're the same goddamn thing in different mediums for the most part.
It's hell and a half to find a battle shounen anything that's not shitty and drawn out by crappy filler or false suspense, much like the same difficulty in finding an LN that's not completely senseless pandering or relentlessly stupid.
>>139572910
>>139573230
Hope you like it.
Here's another one.
This one's from Rakuin no Monshou's author.
https://www.mediafire.com/?s8yuyzu21474dxd
>>139580548
Slutty heroine? That's rare.
>>139504150
You never read Zaregoto? Only LN I read until the end.
>>139578136
so greentexts basically?
>>139525981
Because it's obviously bait, and a terrible one at that.
>>139580548
Do you have 熾界龍皇と極東の七柱特区?
It's from the same author of Unlimited Fafnir but sadly no raws are available online.
>>139580548
>>139572910
Are these one volume only series?
>>139584745
The funny thing about first novels is that they almost always have room to continue, but the publisher waits to see how sales are before promising anything.
