What is the logic of allowing only 6v6 matches?
Matches are too short and boring.
They're devoid of any strategy. Mere class composition trumps skill 99% of the time.
The maps are nothing but chokepoints where 75% of the map is useless.
Is this the future of FPS gaming?
minimal balancing
>>336773513
Literally e sports bait.
I Bet Blizz will push out a major till the end of the year, Maybe with a million prize poll, and we will see the amazing plays or 10 team, each made of
>bastion
>that Hammer and shield guy
>mercy
>tracer
>motorized tire guy
>a wild card, probably high noon or CoD-guy: 72
This game would be so much better with a 12v12 format. Maybe more
But then the problems would be the maps, made clearly for the small teams. The maps are much smaller than they seen, and supporting 12+ players in each side would be a clusterfuck
>>336774010
This.
I have no doubt somewhere in the development cycle Blizzard did try and balance the game, only to find that asymmetrical character and map design was in the too hard basket. The result? Everything is overpowered and unbalanced. Maps which are fundamentally broken for attacks / defenders, Q abilities which one shot you, see through walls, make you invincible or just make some characters flat out better than others.
The game has basically zero room for personal skill advancement in an attempt to make it appeal to even the most casual of shitters who can get kills by simply pressing one button. It's a fucking horrible game. For those who enjoy it, more power to you, but for fucks sake please get better taste in video games.
>>336774647
such as?
>>336774647
If everyone OP no one is. Then only skill matter. Get better scrub.
This game is as much fun as Quake 2 with some crazy mods.
>>336775872
>If everyone OP no one is.
You should work for Blizzard. You'd fit right in with the philosophy.
>>336776087
So say Tracer Vs. Tracer and the enemy Tracer wins? That was not skill?
>>336773513
>They're devoid of any strategy. Mere class composition trumps skill 99% of the time.
Class composition is strategy
You're probably thinking of tactics.
>>336774431
Competitive overwatch already exists and has a meta. Team Comp depends on the map but king of the hill games everyone plays 2 Winston, 2 Tracer, and 2 Lucio. Winston and Lucio both have great passive survivability and mobility for holding the points until your team gets back, or getting back quickly. Tracers has an insanely high skill ceiling and her ultimate can wipe entire teams without any way to avoid it.
Your comp predictions are like an average open beta comp. They don't apply because most people don't know how to counter characters yet. At a competitive level players know how to deal with a lot of the gimmicky players that new players have trouble with.
I've seen a lot of Tracer, McCree, widow, genji, mercy, soldier 76, at the competitive level. In other words any character that allows you to outplay your opponent instead of relying on said gimmick character that will be countered when players catch on.
>>336775872
That is simply not true.
>>336774647
the one shotting thing is honestly bullshit and people should stop bringing it up
Mcree takes forever to charge it, and the "its high noon" audio queue makes it so anyone whos not retarded gets into cover, I've only been killed by it in a 1 v 1 where hes too lazy to aim and just ult me to insta kill which is a massive waste. Shields can block his shots easy and any form of cc will interupt him
Reaper's doesn't one shot and you can usually burst him down as a team before he fully channels if hes not flanking perfectly from behind, also fucked by shields and cc
hanzo's dragon is pretty bullshit but hes useless outside of ulting so its balanced that way
junkrat's tire is easily shot down, its even targeted by turrets
Key Question:
Those that haven't bought it, now that you've played it, are you planning to?
I really don't like the maps, they feel way too linear, which makes since for payload but the other modes have no excuse.
>>336776325
>offer a hypothetical situation which is between a 1v1 with two identical characters
>Overwatch is therefore balanced
You're a fucking retard.
>>336774431
bastion fucking sucks in anything that isn't a pub where people don't know the maps
most op characters are genji, hanzo, mei, widowmaker, shield guy
>>336777224
nah, its fun but not very interesting
>>336773513
I'm already bored with Overwatch and now I'm jsut looking forward to the Uncharted 4 multiplayer.
>>336777224
I'm never going to give Blizzard money. If they offer the game for free at some point, I will consider playing it.
>>336773513
http://www.strawpoll.me/10133241
>>336777224
>Those that haven't bought it, now that you've played it, are you planning to?
game is fun for like 1 or 2 hours a day maybe, if the game allowed you to play up to lets say 15vs15 I could see myself spending more time in it.
In any case the game is not worth the money, if it was free to play yes I Would play it but no not going to buy it
>>336773513
its a fast paced class based team arena shooter.
people need to mix up the chars for specific situations, like to counter the other teams chars or the match or part of the map.
having 12v12 there will be none of that,
I think the whole idea of the game is that when a team gets in a defense state your team needs to change chars to counter and visa versa
>>336773513
I agree on the map design being terrible. Devs should always make a point of having at least two different paths available to reach the objective.
Also, after the first hour of playing the beta it felt as if I'd already seen everything the game has to offer. Anyone know if there will be any more gamemodes at release or is this it?
>>336777725
But there is? There is at minimum two ways to get to an objective, in most cases three.
>>336773513
6v6 is fine, what isn't fine is the fucking map design being complete garbage like you said and the fact that the objective isn't particularly interesting enough to interact with unique class mechanics.
>>336777725
>Anyone know if there will be any more gamemodes at release or is this it?
If the open beta has all the content the game will have at release it's doomed.
Seriously, this is Evolve levels of low content.
>>336773513
This game is very hard to play with one hand so of course they make minimal gameplay.
>>336777725
>Anyone know if there will be any more gamemodes at release or is this it?
This is everything they have to offer, thats all the mods.
Unless you count brawl which will change every week.
They will add more character sooner or later but you will probably have to pay for them
>>336777224
yes
its the next big thing and its going to have longevity just because its a huge blizzard title with massive marketing and hype. its just going to become the game that I fall back on when theres nothing spectacular because I can get a party of friends and play and probably have fun and depending on how ranked games work I might even be able to satisfy that "competitive" itch I've had since I quit ranking for league.
it sucks that the skill floor is so fucking low, but I feel like I can find that one hero that can hard carry a team if mastered and have great fun dominating people.
>>336777915
Blizz has said any additional content added will be free.
>>336777510
I fucking feel you, bro. Uncharted 2, 3 and The Last of Us was fucking amazing. Some of the most fun I've ever had in a multiplayer shooter. The beta was rock solid, too. Tuesday couldn't come quick enough.
>>336777224
Nope even if it tries really hard to please my dick.
>>336777379
Wrong. Anybody who lists Mei as a strong character is very obviously a low-level pub player. Mei's the equivalent of TF2's pyro. Kills only people who are not very experienced.
Actual tier list:
-Genji and Lucio
-Winston and Reinhart (Winston moving up and Rein down due to patch and meta changes)
-Bread and butter characters like Pharah, McCree, Tracer, Mercy
-Situational characters - Zenyatta, Widowmaker, Reaper, Junkrat
-Shit-tier characters - anybody who builds things or sits still in one place (bastion)
-Literal memes - Mei, Pudge
Not that any of that means anything in pub games.
>>336777224
Torn between yes and no.
>>336773513
If this game takes no skill, then why are 90% of the players so fucking bad?
>>336777816
The king of the hill style maps do this ok but every single attack/defend level is essentially a long corridor with chokepoints galore.
how do I git gud with Symmetra
>only support hero who can't heal
>can only shield a player once for a miniscule amount
>turrets are easily destroyed
>both of her gun's fire modes are shit
>only real worthwhile venture is her ultimate which will lower the time needed for respawning teammates to get back into the fray
>>336774647
i love it when someone pretends to be some connoisseur of videogames, yet ends up making an ass of themselves.
>>336778159
>listening to /v/ talk about skill in video games
this is where you went wrong
>>336777816
The diverging paths just lead to whatever bottleneck the attackers have to squeeze through, not the actual objective.
>>336778159
>If this game takes no skill, then why are 90% of the players so fucking bad?
Because after 9th the only people who are going to be playing the game are blizzdrones
Which already answers your question
>>336777224
Nah I bought this instead.
70 bucks well spent.
>>336778117
you forgot dva zarya and hanzo u cock mongler
>>336778159
Rage babbies from /v/ that probably got stomped whose individual skill most likely isnt worth 2 shits.
>>336777816
Most PL maps and some A/D have one main choke and flanks that basically just connect to the choke. If you compare it to maps in TF2, there is a huge difference.
If you can see the exit/entrance to a flank when you look at a choke, it's not really a flank, it's a little side route.
>>336778336
look guys we found the faggot that keeps giving the Blizzard WoW team his hard earned money for their dead "MMO" because he can't overcome his adolescent nostalgia.
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>>336778227
She is a very situational characters. She is very effective at defending a point. You just need to learn how to place your turrets because I get fucktons of kills with mine all the time.
Make sure you hide them well. Her guns firemodes aren't shit at all. Especially when you're getting support from your turrets. You should never be engaging somebody without the help of your turrets, that's the whole point of playing as her. She is not a character you can rush a point with, she is campy.
>>336778343
I intentionally left them out because they sit on the line between bread and butter and situational. I thought it would be clear they don't fit into the meme/sitting still categories but aren't notable enough to list in the others.
>OVER IT
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>>336777224
Yes. I will be returning MKX and GTAV since I never play them and getting Overwatch. It's fun as hell I won't lie, a lot of maps are awesome I think, pretty much every character is fun to play, designs are vibrant and nice looking, objectives are actually hella fun too. I'm much more excited about it than I ever thought I would be, I considered Battleborn but after learning it was made by Gearbox I realized how much I hate that fucking artstyle. It is butt ugly IMO. I can see myself playing overwatch consistently in the future so I'm pretty hyped for it. I hope Blizz plans on adding characters and maps down the line too.
Best part is it is a perfect "I'll play one or two after or before work" game.
>>336778227
The shield is the basic only reason to Symm - because it lets your team skirmish really well. (It's a shield, so regenning)
The turrets are shit tier, either don't bother or just spam three to try catch people out.
The gun is just shit. Orbs are how it goes. It does good damage at close range, but basically any enemy player who isn't a shitter / other support will outduel you every time. Pray for a 2v1 in your favour, that's nice.
The game gets boring after like an hour like I would rather play fucking TF2 and deal with all the autismal furries and bronies that plague it. Also fucking some of these character's have the most annoying voices especially Tracer like why can't she shut the fuck and be quiet like in my Overwatch sfm porn.
>>336778570
I mean. I've been playing WoW since Pre-TBC.
Kinda hard to quit. I'm pretty excited for Order Halls and the new Demon Hunter class.
>>336778227
I'm also struggling with her. But what I've found is that her secondary weapon is actually not the worst thing when you spam it on chokepoints. People tend to walk into it, and lose a bit of damage. Also, her primary weapon is surprisingly powerful, it increases its dps exponentially the longer you hold it on an enemy. If you commit, you can kill tanks with it, especially if you're getting help from your turrets. In my experience, the teleporter has actually been her weakest tool, because most teammates are too dumb to take advantage of it even after you tell them "TELEPORTER UP".
>>336779341
most players I've seen don't have a problem using the teleporter since it's usually right in their face in the spawn room.
>>336777224
Nah, it doesn't really have lasting appeal for me, though I am having fun with the beta.
I will say that it had the most fun support classes I've ever played
>All of these complaints of amount of content
Fucking game has more content than TF2 did at launch, come on.
>>336778227
Clever turret placing can block a main or side entrance. You can put down 6 at once. People like to brush it off as nothing but it isn't especially if you use your primary fire too. On chokepoints and small capture points like in the chinese and japanese levels it is very strong. It just gives enough advantage for your team to obliterate the attackers before they do the same. If they get in, notice and shoot them they are instantly at disadvantage because they don't shoot your team. If they don't care they will be slow and at a health disadvantage.
Also use her alt fire (blue orb of holyshitwhydididie) to block tight spaces and help friendlies who are fighting someone in small spaces. Obviously enemies avoid it for most of the time but it forces them to move. On Hollywood I could regulary block the small security room on the left point constantly shooting orbs through the door. It forces the opposition towards the main entrance. See a teammate having trouble with a nimble character in a room? Send in a blue orb. Most of the time they don't even notice and get damaged or either escape or get in a corner.
She is support, not strong but if you aren't alone you can melt people with her primary fire because nobody cares about Symmetra.
>>336779443
>most players I've seen don't have a problem using the teleporter since it's usually right in their face in the spawn room.
That's not what I mean. When you have a teleporter you can switch characters to take advantage of them. For example let's say you are defending, and an area is being contested and it looks like you can lose it. Someone can switch their simbly ebin McGree or Reaper for an extra Mei or Reinhardt, or even the dwarf, to secure that area.
What I've never tested is whether the teleporter stays up after I change characters from Symmetra to one of those I mentioned, in which case I could do that job myself. But I don't imagine it stays up.
>>336776724
Fun is subjective retard.
>>336779917
Everything from Sym disappears if you switch
>>336779794
>Orange Box
>HL2 + Expansions
>Portal
>TF2
>TF2 later becomes standalone for a super low price and eventually free
>Overwatch
>40 dollars
LOL
>>336777224
Depends on if my friends end up getting it at launch. I've given zero shits about overwatch and barely knew what it was apart from having russian translesbians and that tracer pose thing, but I downloaded it yesterday and played with a few friends and it felt good.
Nice change of pace from CS:GO which is plain unfun 9 times out of 10
>>336780337
I bought all of the Orange Box for like $20 in 2007.
>>336780095
>Everything from Sym disappears if you switch
Thank you for giving me the disappointing news anon. So basically she's only for the enlightened.
>>336773513
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>>336773513
>Mere class composition trumps skill 99% of the time.
That was Blizzard's intention.
>>336780337
>Super low price
>Only 20 bucks difference between it and Overwatch
>Free only after about, what? 10 years? 9?
>Still had less content than Overwatch on release, took TF2 quite a while to get up to where Overwatch is currently.
LOL CAPS MAKES ME LOOK SUPERIOR LOOK MOM I'M DOING IT
>>336780337
TF2 launched at $30 standalone. I know, I bought it in 2007.
It was cheaper than the $50 Orange Box.
>The maps are nothing but chokepoints where 75% of the map is useless.
False.
Have you taken the time to explore the maps at all and not just funneled into a chokepoint like cattle? Every map has 2-3 paths towards any one objective. A lot of them you need mobility to use.
>>336780754
>Can't read
My point was that TF2 was originally part of the Orange Box. For about the same price as Overwatch, you got MULTIPLE GAMES + TF2. As an added bonus, HL2 has about a billion mods to increase the value.
>>336780903
>comparing 1 game to 3 games
>wow what a surprise, 3 games have more content than 1
You can't be that retarded.
>>336780868
No, those just lead to the chokepoint.
>>336781052
I could take the time to point out screenshots of what I'm talking about, but why bother? You're clearly don't listen to reason. Continue to think your false thoughts and don't play retail. One less idiot to deal with when I play the game.
>>336780903
Okay, and that's fine, but we're talking about Overwatch in comparison to TF2, not the Orange Box. If dollar value is what's important here, then the Orange Box/TF2 are fucking garbage compared to Hitman: Blood Money, because I got it for 30 bucks in a bundle alongside Silent Assassin and Contracts.
>>336781183
But those three aren't even good games
>>336781040
Nice job moving those goal posts, Blizz shill. That's how you win the argument! That's totally what we were talking about!
You are one of the dumbest people I've talked to today. It makes me embarrassed that fucking retards like you exist. I'm legit angry that you're so fucking dumb. I'm very sure that the world would be a much better place without your presence. Please do the Earth a favor and end your life
>>336781183
No.
We're talking about content on release. You can't compare TF2 and Overwatch at release without the facts. TF2 released in the Orange Box. Comparing Overwatch and TF2 at release is fucking dumb in the first place. TF2 is a game from 2007 and basically made by a team of hodgepodge modders while Overwatch is backed by a multi-million dollar company with a huge workforce. To say that Overwatch has more content than TF2 at release is barely saying anything. Waste of a post.
>>336781178
Ok. Thanks for posting!
>>336781491
TF2 =/= The Orange Box.
>Comparing Overwatch and TF2 at release is fucking dumb in the first place.
I agree, TF2 actually had less content than Overwatch has.
>TF2 is a game from 2007 and basically made by a team of hodgepodge modders
Who literally worked on the game for like 9 years before finally releasing it.
>
>>336777224
I'm more worried if this game will have more and sustaining player base in my region (Asia). It's kinda sad to play multiplayer games here, they're either dead or close to it, or nobody plays the game because it's too niche.
If Blizzard displays the number of players for my region about 1 month in, I may buy it. Other than that, I'm still on the fence about it because it's blizzard. Not to mention it might be one of those multiplayer games that wears out its novelty after 2-3 hours of play.
>>336773513
playing the beta has made me not want to buy the game its to bland to make me want to buy it at full price because unless they add new heros and maps regularly ive basically played the game to its full potential already the skill ceiling is way WAY to low to keep you interested its basically another battlefont looks nice and no substance
>>336781808
Just so you know, it is one of those multiplayer games.
>>336781658
>Who literally worked on the game for like 9 years before finally releasing it.
Not an argument. This has nothing to do with anything. I shouldn't even be replying to such a dumb post. Again, what can't you comprehend about how defending Overwatch's content by using TF2 as an example is a useless endeavor? Overwatch has a MUCH larger workforce and more money put into it while TF2 was created by a smaller subsection of Valve, scrapped, and rebuilt multiple times. Sayigng that Overwatch has more content than TF2 did on release says nothing. This does not help your stance at all. It would be more apt to compare it to games with similar circumstances, budget, and workforce for your argument to hold any water. For example, EA shooters and even Activision.
I hope you take this time to learn how to argue and use your brain.
>>336781808
being a vidya player that isn't dota in sea/au is fucking suffering
>>336782285
>being a vidya player that isn't dota in sea/au is fucking suffering
>mfw
I have to wait till the afternoon for players to come online for various multiplayers like insurgency.
>most mmorpg restrict IPs from SEA
>most multiplayer games are dead especially niche ones
>can't join /v/ multis coz of lag
>can't pvp right and have to stick to pve for mmorpg
>>336782578
yeah, i tried ow early access in .au peak hour (5-7pm) and got like 2 games on the oceanic servers and in one of them half the game left because "omg lag"
good fucking luck playing literally anything that isn't dota/csgo because nobody in this third world spider infested shithole actually plays anything.
>>336777142
He's not talking about ultimates he's talking about basic abilities, and I agree
>>336782023
There's something wrong with you, dude. I'll be the first person to tell you that right now. You reek of a superiority complex. You're sitting here saying people are but wastes of posting space because they're comparing Overwatch to TF2 on-release, yet your posts are somehow not a waste of space when you barge in saying that TF2 came bundled with other games and therefor is generally of better quality purely because of this, especially so when "TF2 was made by a bunch of hodgepodge devs" and whatever else, essentially comparing TF2 to Overwatch in a manner that has nothing to do with... anything. But no, your posts aren't a waste of space.
Get fucking real, pull your head out of your ass, you're better than nobody around here. Fucking accept it already.
>>336783134
>Can't come up with a counter-argument
And if you're not that anon, /v/ may be the wrong board for you. Here's something more fitting of your taste: reddit.com
>>336783303
>Can't come up with a counter-argument
Oh, kind of like you?
So you resort to memes, real nice. You're going to die a real lonely fucker, man. I'm sorry. I'm dead serious when I say I hope you find help someday.
>>336779338
im with you mate, fuck the hater scum
>>336783514
You didn't argue anything. There was nothing to respond to. All you did was insult me like a bully. You also can't read and put words in my mouth like implying I said TF2 was of better quality. I never said that nor did I imply it. This argument was about content based on value and later moved onto more how the original arguerererer internet man tried to say that Overwatch has more content than TF2 did on release, but that's a useless comparison due to the two games having very different circumstances.
You touched on none of this, put words in my mouth, and simply insulted me. I'll give you one more chance to make an argument.
>>336773513
Having less players on the teams makes the fights less chaotic and more strategic and skill based.
There are plenty of clusterfuck brawl games like Battlefield to play already so try one of those.
>>336783760
I'm not that guy you were responding to. I just saw the way you spoke, and took note of some shit you said.
You sound like a miserable person. That's all. I don't care about the topic, I'm just bothered by how gross some people are. Narcissism isn't pretty and all that.
>>336783958
>reddit.com
Okay anon. We'll miss you!
>>336773513
>fps
this is a first person moba
just avoid it, the only skill is going to be learning counters, thats it.
I was expecting a bit more but it really does seem to just be HOTS: FPS edition, except Overwatch doesn't have the draw of using established characters/franchises that already have fans
Can already see that the only defence of this game will also be "It's not supposed to be skill-based or deep because it's fun and quick"
>>336784305
>mobas don't require skill
Is this some new meme?
>>336784380
>not supposed to be skill-based or deep because it's fun and quick
But that's where the money is now. Normies have invaded our video games and they are the vast majority now. Why wouldn't Jewzzard cater to them?
>>336778227
Worth noting is that her secondary attack goes through Reinhardt's shield.
>>336784427
mobas are about knowing which hero to use. thats it.
>>336777224
Wasn't very interested in it at first, just liked all the ass
>played the closed beta before this one on the last day for an hour or two
Loved it, pre-ordered
>played this beta
Been playing it for hours every day with about 8 friends, still having a blast and its getting really fun now that I've explored a lot of the characters and gotten decent. Though playing with a full teams makes queue take forever and you get put against tryhards, so I stick to duoing with one of my friends. A lot of the characters can be really fun to play.
I'm going to hate it when this game comes out and I have to listen to a bunch of esports garbage everywhere. All I ever hear will be junk about some pro player making some fucking stupid play or have people leave matches because I picked a character that the pros don't pick because they're "garbage".
this game is a team fortres that plays like a dota, uses duplicated classes but it's not free to play so it makes no sense making more than one character with the same class
it just doesn't have any future
and it shows: shilling and astroturfing is intensifying since the only fanmade material being made is porn
>>336784980
That is absolute horse shit.
>>336777224
I just don't see it lasting me more than a couple of weeks.
>>336780754
>Free only after about, what? 10 years? 9?
Try 3 or 4.
>>336784305
>this is a first person moba
It's really not though. Outside of the character/ability system, it's an objective-based FPS. None of the MOBA gameplay elements are present.
>>336785193
Its fundamental to the games mechanics AND financial model.
Its like elaborate RPS. RPS has strategy, you always open with scissors when facing an unknown opponent. Feel free to proclaim yourself a rps pro now. I wouldn't cal that skill.
I really hate the dota style character creation: it's like they are letting every employee take a shot at esthetic creation, there's characters that look like starcraft characters, then full on korean characters and then hobo-esque warcraft characters.
This is awful awful awful
>>336773513
This is what tf2 has been like the past 10 years dood and this is a tf2 clone mixed with some moba stuff after all
>>336785802
>your regular attacks do jack shit
>you have three powers with varying killing capacity
I'll concede there isn't autospawned ads, but...
>>336785802
>Outside of the primary thing that defines a MOBA, its not a moba
This is how ive read what you just posted.
>>336779338
>>336783572
blizzdrones spotted
>>336786060
>no ads
>no towers
>no item buying
>no lanes
The map design alone is so far removed from what you'd find in a MOBA that I don't know how people seriously make this comparison. MOBAs are not defined solely by the "hero" aspect.
>>336780903
10 games for 2.60 €
>>336785898
What you are saying and genuinely standing by, is that all it takes to win in a match of DotA 2, is to pick a hero that is good against another hero?
That the skill levels of each player have no bearing? Their ability to last hit, map awareness, correct skill build based on the state of the game, timing of rotations, use of jungle, timing and aiming of skills, awareness of the damage one can deal/take at any given moment, juking, skill combinations with other players, correct itemisation, the list goes on an on.
That there is no difference between Admiral bulldog at 7.5k MMR and any random player anywhere from 2k? That any 5 group of idiots can team up, correctly counter pick and that initial draft is the only factor in an entire match?
Are you an utter retard?
>>336786160
i'm starting to think they are all unemployed guys being paid to shitpost and astroturf everywhere
>>336777224
This shit is definitely not worth 40 eurobucks, i'd buy it for 20 or less though.
>>336777224
I swore off of Blizzard after the collossal fuckup of SC2 and Diablo 3 but I'll eat my words if they make a good game.
They won't, and they haven't here.
I'm in this thread right now for the exact same reason as everyone else. Casually looking at overwatch porn and laughing at retards that think this game is worth playing.
>>336786385
Yes because blizzard really wants to pay people to say nice things on 4chan. This magnificent platform for marketi ng that countless industry titans use on a daily basis to promote their products.
It's weird, even though TF2 classes have three weapons and Overwatch has one or two weapons with secondary fire and two or three side abilities and like 20 classes, it feels like without being able to swap to different option weapons or abilities, Overwatch just feels so shallow and almost linear.
>>336786489
Idk I think it's fun but, it be that game that I would need friends to play with for a bit then hop to something else. All in all I've been stingy with games outsides of things I compete in so I probably won't get it.
>>336786507
>This magnificent platform for marketi ng that countless industry titans use on a daily basis to promote their products.
What's funny to me is you think this isn't true.
>>336786620
because all three weapons and all characters had versatility.
>>336786678
it was fun for the first 10 minutes but it wore off real quick and showed me what I thought it was. A casual TF2 clone with more sex appeal and marketing.
>>336777224
yep, I'm having fun and my friends are interested so that's an added bonus
>>336786706
Anyother platform outside of 4chan I would say it's more relevant. But I will agree it does happen it's business it's when you guys call out people saying they like a game as a shill. Like bruh you ever enjoy something before.
>>336774431
more like
>Lucio
>that Hammer and shield guy
>mercy
>tracer
>motorized tire guy
>a wild card, probably high noon or CoD-guy: 72
>>336786807
4chan, no, /v/ alone gets millions of unique visitors a day. If you run a major company, and you're not even making an attempt to viral market here, you're doing it very, very wrong.
>>336786261
I would define a moba as an online multiplayer lobby based game in which a team of players selects from a list of characters which have the strategic depth of a single RTS hero unit and fight other players doing the same.
Thats the format. If anything, something like 'the vicory conditions are different' or 'maps dont work the same', is a sign that the genre is evolving out of its baby stage and exploring more what it can do with that fundamental set of mechanics.
Its like how early fps basically were full on deathmatches with items that spawned around the map, and you basically just went for the best kdr, or most kills, or something like that. Later fps had things like weapon buying and objective based gamplay. Both are still fps because they primarily have to do with your ability to use the various weapons in the game.
>>336786964
>Both are still fps
yeah, no shit, they are both FIRST PERSON SHOOTER
Like overwatch
>>336786964
I still wouldn't go that far. If anything, this is FPS just reaching further out, pulling elements from MOBAs, and not the other way around.
>>336773513
When /v/ doesn t like a game it is the time the game rocks hard. So now i m gonna dowload and try it
>>336786304
triggered
:^)
>>336786304
The problem with your argument is that mobas attract barely sentient masses, so anyone with basic video game competency is going to do a lot better than average at them.
You can break ones proficiency at a game down into 3 parts, i think.
The first is knowledge of the game. Knowing what to do in a situation. This is not skill, plenty of people can know what to do in a situation and still fail horribly when they try to do it.
The second is being able to recognize what the situation you are in actually is. This is something a lot of modern gamers lack, i blame voip and have a whole rant about that, but regardless, this is not a skill because it is not aquired the way a skill is aquired. You can not practice and get better at it, you are either a retard or not, probably a parent did not read to you enough as a child and you are just not so sharp.
The last is your ability to do a thing once you know what it is you aught to be doing. This is the only skill, because this is the only thing that is acquired the way a skill is acquired, through lots and lots of practice and repetition.
So then how you judge a games skill requirement is the following.
You take a situation within that game, any situation. Pick some very small minor task. You take two people, both of which know exactly what it is they need to do and exactly what the most optimal way to do it is.
You let one of them practice doing that for about an hour, and you let the other one practice doing that for ten thousand hours (which is the amount of time it takes to become an expert at a task, according to some book somebody wrote).
The degree of difference in the result between these two players, tells you how skill based your game is.
>>336787074
So you are saying its a fps with moba elements?
I disagree you unimaginable imbecile. It is obviously a mob with fps elements :^)
Some youtuber didn't lie when he said the game sucks when you play alone.
It's basically assfaggots in FPS form.
>>336776087
>zero room for personal skill advancement
Nope, you are.
Offer hypothetical scenario which can happen in the game hurdurrr go fucking suck a fuck you fduck4ywqyh42wuhj
The map design sucks ass.
>playing on a map I don't know
>respawn
>start walking towards the fight
>take a corridor or staircase that looks to be heading towards the battlefield
>end up walking back towards spawn or find a dead end or something
A map is just designed terribly if it's not intuitive how you have to walk to the fight. Of course this is fixed the moment you've played the map more than once, but it's just terrible map design.
It's especially confusing to get out of the base on the pyramid map if you're playing defense for the first time
>>336778336
>gmail
>legion
gas your self jewdog.
