How satanic/gothic is Diablo 3/3.5?
Does the story hold up or is it "The answers lie within" Starcraft 2 tier?
What I liked most about Diablo was how satanic it was in the Christian sense and iconography.
Diablo 2 lost some of that, the desert was nice but not gothic and the jungle was just bullshit.
Fighting andariel in the cemetery was one of the best vidya game moments for me with all the zombies coming at you.
Environments for each act:
1: small towns and farms, caves, forests, crypts, ancient ruins, dungeons
2: desert, outposts, sewers, ancient boneyards, arabic castle, arcane dungeons, caves
3: barracks, forward barracks/castle walls, frozen wasteland, dungeons, collapsing/on fire bridge outpost, demonic caves, demonic spires, pretty much hell. Also when you get to Adventure mode you can explore the abandoned barbarian homeland
4: heaven. basically a lot of really pretty stuff with incredible vistas. Slowly becomes more and more corrupted as you get further
5. Gothic town, corpses everywhere, sections on fire, marshes, ancient ruins, ancient arcane floating arcane battlefields, other dimensions, death's realm.
Act 5 is probably the closest to what you want, but the "descending deeper and deeper into a hellish nightmare" feeling is probably never coming back.
>>336503358
sounds alright to be honest. even though you slightly spoiled me.
Does Reaper of Souls make changes to the core game too? except adding the crusader?
>>336501882
everything is cartoony as fuck, there is absolutely nothing satanic or gothic about it, reused wow assets out of the ass
it shits all over everything previous games established
>>336501882
diablo 3 is purely for gameplay. if you look for anything more you're fucked. atmosphere, music, story, npc's. it's all shit. but the gameplay is fucking great.
>>336501882
It's so grimderp, it's not even funny anymore. The iconography is auite wonky as well I'd say
Also
>graveyard fight
>Andariel
>>336503994
>reused wow assets
What?
>>336503901
Most of the core changes were added to the base game as well, but 99% of people who play Diablo now play Adventure Mode, which is RoS only. Nobody plays it for the story, and nobody really should. It's fucking awful.
>>336504186
i have a feeling that i got that boss wrong... andariel was later on...
>>336503901
Act 5 from RoS shits all over the entire first 4 acts from the base game.
The atmosphere from Diablo 2 was completely dumped. You will not find much in the way of religious iconography or gothic architecture.
The game is fun to play and that's all it has going for it, really.
>>336501882
Diablo 3 is a lot more cartoony and "high-fantasy".
It just makes me want to play Diablo 2 more.
>>336504324
Andariel was the final boss of Act 1. You're thinking of the corrupted ranger. Blood Raven
>>336503901
A few small optional/random side missions, a handful of new skills for other classes, level cap increase, a ton of endgame content.
Don't bother playing unless you have Reaper.
Also, console version is highly recommended over PC. Offline play, couch coop, trading, gifting, nemesis invasions (a creature invades your friends games. If not killed will grow stronger, stronger it is when killed bigger the reward), arguably better controls for some classes, same day as pc updates
>>336504221
literally stuff taken from wow, repainted a bit and slapped in d3
>>336504324
It was Blood Raven.
Andariel was the Shiva expy at the end of Act 1
>>336504317
op here.
that is why I play Diablo games, mainly for the atmosphere and the tight gameplay, but the gothic element HAS to be there for a Diablo experience..
I guess I will have more fun playing Torchlight 2 Synergies then...
They say it is pretty good. (not satanic gothic but I prefer a new setting than seeing the old ones being fucked ((diablo/diablo 2))).
>>336504474
>>336504570
Blood Raven! that was so fantastic, going in the cemetery being dark and those zombies coming around + her purified corpse effects in the end.
>>336504632
Come on, you can't tell me Torchlight 2 is gothic in the slightest. And truth be told, it gets boring after the first run through, the replayability isn't even close to that of RoS.
>>336504632
Or I will go GrimDawn.
The name is literally screams GrimDark.. might be cool for me.
I also like Path of Exile. I am at a later phase where is gets pretty gothic.
>>336504753
>her purified corpse effects in the end.
Really flashed young me back then
>>336504862
Grim Dawn is pretty damn good, and if you're looking for good story and atmosphere in an ARPG or Diablo-like or whatever you're going to call it, you will definitely find it in Grim Dawn. The gameplay is tight, though I've seen people (probably shitposters) saying it's garbage. Probably my favourite of the bunch right now.
Very grimdark, but I feel like it earns it and it's not just slapped on there for the hell of it.
>>336504797
No, no goth at all. but looks fun.
I have been looking into Van Helsing but they say it gets boring.
More boring that the usual ARPGs...
sounds bad..
I guess I will keep playing Diablo, Diablo 2, Pah of Exile and GrimDawn.
>>336504632
>I guess I will have more fun playing Torchlight 2
Lmao don't fall for the "TL2 is good" meme. It's alright but RoS is miles ahead of it.
Play Grim dawn.
>>336501882
>satanic/gothic
less than the prequels
>story
literally worse than any game in the history of videogames
>>336505157
sounds good.
I will also pirate sometime Diablo 3/3.5 because I literally don't care at all about MP.
I am an SP fedoralord.
>idiots still saying HURR DURR EXACTLY LIKE WOW NOTHING LIKE DIABLO MAY AS WELL PLAY AN MLP GAME
Christ you guys need to move on. D3 is still largely hellish and gothic, it is just more action oriented and faster in pace so you don't get the same lonely and depressing feeling.
>>336501882
Graphics ruin it for me. Way too cartoony, but Act 2 is pretty good. Feels like an actual story even if it is retarded. Killing Cain was BULLSHIT REEEEEEE. Act 3 is complete shit. Act 4 is just an all action act, no real build up and its super quick
>>336505440
Diablo 3 is online only. I doubt there's any way to pirate it.
Just don't play it. At all. The story will make you depressed because it's so garbage. Also everything was so obvious that /v/ guessed most of the plot before the game or even the boss leaks came out.
>>336505221
Torchlight is the best Diablolike but retards like you panned it for being cartoony. Skill trees are admittedly weak but the core gameplay itself is above everything. D3 shouldn't have been as cartoony as it is but Torchlight can be.
>>336505221
>mfw I have already bought it last year on a steam sale...
IT'S CARTOONY GARBAGE LIKE EVERY MODERN BLIZZARD GAME
>>336505629
Pretty sure it's one of the few recent games that hasn't been completely cracked yet.
>>336505629
hmmm. it says here both games are $40.
That's ok I guess. Not too bad.
https://eu.battle.net/shop/en-us/product/diablo-iii-ultimate-evil-edition
>>336505880
Yet you haven't bothered to even play it?
At this point don't even bother. You will be underwhelmed.
>>336506382
my backlog has consumed me.. I don't know when I can make it to play it...
Diablo 3 never existed. Diablo series ended with 2. Both 1 and 2 had that awesome scary gothic dark feeling atmosphere to it while....3 has lighter cartoon WoW like graphics as if it were me to be a little kids game.
>>336505473
you're a fucking moron
>>336505473
>D3 is still largely hellish and gothic
>>336507132
>i have no counter argument so HURR DURR YOUR SHTUPID
Thanks for trying.
Let me guess. You also think Max Payne 3 isn't noir because it is set in Brazil.
>>336507047
3 was still ridiculously dark though, apart from the graphics. The story was so grimderp that I stopped caring halfway through Act 1
>>336505473
i can't believe someone can be that retarded, kys
>>336507252
>not hellish
>>336507596
OOPS FORGOT MY IMAGE FUCK MY FACE PLEASE
>>336507252
>not gothic
>>336507689
looks like random wow dungeon
>>336507689
yes nothing gives that hellish vibe and sense of dread and evil like pretty glowy cartoony colors and effects + well-lit places
>>336507783
Fuck I keep fucking this up.
>>336501882
TRIGGER WARNING
>>336507940Looking for Baal?
>>336507849
I totally agree with you.
>>336507689
jesus fucking christ d3 has no contrast whatsoever
>>336507839
This. Could literally be the WoD version of UBRS
>>336507869
op here, SHIT.
This is what I want. So Diablo 3 is hit and miss. It has those short gothic spooky moments but only if you stop to look around.
this thread makes me kinda hyped to play Diablo 3.5 with a fem Crusader.
>>336507869
looks like fucking torchlight lmao
>gothic
you are a legitimate retard
>>336508058
>literal 240p image from youtube with brightness up the ass
are you even trying
>>336501882
its "gotthic" for about 20 minutes when you walk through a couple wrecked cathedrals in the god awful story mode. after that you only do rifts which are the same caves, woods, ancient stone hall temple, swamps, desert, etc.
the game is in such desperate need of tilesets and mape generation but blizzard refuses and just tricks their playerbase with the same maps over and over with different colored smoke and they actually vehemently defend it as "new content"
the story through and through is weapons grade bullshit.
>>336508207
That screen is what Act 5 is 100% of the time, just play it man
>>336507689
>>336508062
2d Confirmed for superior.
>>336508230
come the fuck on, you cant be serious. You are just blindly hating on d3 since you were burned from vanilla and never looked at it again. Just admit it
as bad as the story is, can we all agree that Deckard Cain's notes throughout the game and the other explorer, Al-hazred or whatever his name is, were well written and well-read? Those built a better atmosphere for me than any of the live NPCs, explaining places, demons, and various monsters filling out the bestiary. Special nod to the captain on the bridge and his brave little red-head in Westmarch, tying that father-daughter together as tough-as-nails survivors
>>336508207
don't listen to blatant shills like >>336508313
the game is cartoony recycled wow bullshit, also itemization is the most atrocious thing in arpg ever made, you just stack main stat, crit hit dmg, crit hit chance and that's it for almost all builds in the game, you get geared in 3 days and then you have nothing to do but grind greater rifts until you want to kill yourself
paying money for this shit is beyond retarded
>>336507689
if you're doing screenshots, it should have been Act 3's bondage giants going into the crater, or the lava areas, not this rift.
>>336508464
the level you posted doesn't even change since vanilla you twat, who do you think you are fooling here?
fuck off
nice hp you have there
>>336501882
>Does the story hold up or is it "The answers lie within" Starcraft 2 tier?
Would you like to hear a story that retcons the entirety of the game that came before it? Do you like villians that could also appear in an episode of Scooby Doo? Do you enjoy being shit talked by these same villians telling you their plans for no reason?
this game is pretty scary and hellish as well guys
>>336508270
>HURR DURR ONLY RECOLORS NO NEW TILESETS
>has added a completelt new tileset with each season
>YFW
>>336508696
>TFW I still remember how to LemIstIo
>>336508641
it looks NOTHING like torchlight was my point, and you are just blindly hating on it like the majority of the antiblizz mongrels on this board.
>>336508540
op here.
tbqh with you fammy I never bothered with builds. Since 1996 when I played Diablo I always just go with the flow and wear the things I like and use my stats the way I see fit.
I don't build builds and like I said before I dont' give any crap about multiplayer and PVP in those games.
Maybe in my case I can enjoy it more? It is true that I don't want to give $40 for a shit game.
>>336508758
but delirium was literally a meme runeword
why would you
>>336508705
>Do you enjoy being shit talked by these same villians telling you their plans for no reason?
Diablo and Azmodan magic-phone-calling you to taunt you sucks, but their notes to their minions and lieutenants are much better, especially Azmodan being panicky that you're punching through all of his tactics
>>336508824
It goes on sale for like 10$ pretty often, maybe wait for one of those. And d3 is infinitely better 2 when it comes to switching builds to match whatever you find since you aren't restricted in your skills.
>found an awesome summoner necro wand? Oh shit too bad timmy you are playing a bone necro and if you want to play a summon necro you have to start from scratch and play another 30 hours to reach where you are now
>>336501882
>yfw the Dethklok people made a Diablo cartoon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEAPxgMCEA8
>>336505157
>Very grimdark, but I feel like it earns it and it's not just slapped on there for the hell of it.
What I liked about the setting was that it's not another 'save the world' story. The world went to shit, and all anyone can do is cobble together some form of existence to weather it out and start again.
Also, gameplay wise, I feel like I'm in danger pretty consistently while wandering Cairn. I still have fun with Diablo 3 in the way I can basically create an overpowered super hero that blows stuff up with an eye-blink. There just reaches a point where I don't feel like the world is a danger to me anymore.
Grim Dawn's the opposite. I'll wander around and then almost die to some crazy unique monster that was engineered to kill players. Keeps me on my toesThat might have to do more with the fact my resistances are shit. Fuck survivability there's too much cool shit in Devotions to use as attacks
>>336508935
Because when it came out it was cool as fuck.
Same with Trang set turning you into a vampire or with Griswild/Immortal King making you all shinyand chrome.
When colored armors came out I thought it was the pinnacle of gaming tech.
>>336508752
>with each season
no they didn't they added secheron (which took almost a fucking year to make) greyhollow, and slightly expanded existing areas.
>>336508972
It honestly feels like the people who wrote the main dialogue had NOTHING to do with the people who wrote the little books and notes you find.
Though from what I understand D3's development was a nightmare and Jay Wilson is the reason the game is such a far cry from D2.
Thank fuck they fired him.
>>336508705
>foolish Nephalim, I didn't NEED those thousands of troops you easily slaughter
>haha! Those catapults? Fuck 'me. Don't need 'em to take that fort either.
>Arrogant Nephalim, how dare you attack me deep within the heart of sin, my very throne-ohfuck ow knock it off you're killing me!
>>336509362
Isn't he doing Legion now?
>>336508726
The notes about the werewolf infestation taking over the town were pretty disheartening tho. For me anyways.
And the infected Estherians with the tentacles squirming their way out of their hosts' mouths unsettled me a bit.
>>336509638
He is sadly, but his pressence seems to be minimal so far
>>336509362
jay wilson was the world's best scapegoat. d3 sucked at launch because the entire game was designed around blizzard's ebay right down to the drop rate as well as well as being made for consoles from the beginning. they could have gotten bill roper, brevik, the shcaefers et al. back and it still would have sucked.
>>336509362
>Thank fuck they fired him.
no, they moved him to a different team. He now heads WoW: Legion as director, and the entire expansion is diablo-fied as fuck. Dungeons have a wierd greater-rift mode where mobs gain affixes and stats scale up, treasure goblins in the open world that drop gold, LEGENDARIES as world drops for every slot that have wonky effects just like current D3 gearing, etc. Literally kicked off of Diablo & making WoW into Diablo.
>>336509757
itemization in WoW is going the way of Diablo 3
whether or not thats good remains to be seen
>>336509638
>>336509757
What
Oh fuck
>>336509616
Blizzard's pretty inspirational. Even if you're a rank amateur at writing, you're still not dumb enough to write antagonists that poorly.
>>336506271
Cause its fucking server-sided bullshit just like wow.
>>336508705
It's weird that SC2, Diablo 3 and the WoW expansions after Wrath all had the same shitty "I WILL FEAST ON YOUR BONES" dialogue on their bosses. It was never ever even slightly intimidating, yet their bosses featured the same kind writing in literally all of their games during that time. Did they never learn it just didn't work?
I really want to know how it happened, who the fuck looked at a boss saying "I will devour your essence!" and thought "Wow this looks really good, it really adds to the experience."
Just thinking about how bad the writing was pisses me off. What were they thinking?
>>336510024
i have some good news for you anon.
jay is not the only d3 member working on wow....
>>336509616
god damn
there's nothing of that. i was orrified when i first heard the italian dub for the fucking witchnigga expecting something similar to the old d2 necromancer
>>336511719
ITT everything wrong with /v/ today.
>>336511719
>includes ros but not lod
nice bias you got there m8
It has a pony level.
There's some blood mixed in with rainbow effects and pretty lights. Occasionally there's a skeleton or two.
Game is absolute fucking dogshit. Diablo 2 had virtually infinite replay value with all sorts of different builds. Diablo 3 has zero replay value because Blizzard wants you to compete with other players and you can only use one build per class to do that.
>>336511960
t. person who hasn't played Diablo 3 in the last 2 years
>>336511659
Dunno about the italian dub, but rave shaman was pretty based
>>336501882
Diablo 3 has zero atmosphere, doesn't feel dark or claustrophobic, or deathly. At all. It's a cartoon. You're better off playing Diablo.
>>336511960
>Diablo 2
>infinite builds
Here, have a b8 image
>>336504372
Maybe because the people of other lands like the fucking desert and a rain forest don't want/need gothic architecture
>>336512251
i am playing diablo hd belzebub atm. it is fun and spooky.
>>336512381
d2 had a desert and a rain forest, yet maintained a similar atmosphere as the rest of the game
it wasn't a cartoony or stylized game but d3 is, face it
>>336512538
>>336513449
>cherry picking
>picture on the right doesn't have any UI elements showing or any enemies on screen
here's your (You)
>>336512251
I miss Light Radius. Nothing reinforces the idea of being in an underground cave system or a dungeon like limited visibility.
>>336507869
Here, I fixed one part of Blizzard's shit game in a few minutes. I even put in palette dithering.
>>336508726
I loved TL2. Apparently Runic is more or less dissolved at this point though, shame we never got any DLC or anything.
>>336513716
>UI takes up a quarter of the screen for no reason
Only a retard would call this "fixed"
>>336513637
>here's your (You)
Fuck off.
>>336513716
How did you do the color change?
>>336514065
Photoshop
>>336514165
Yes but which function so to speak did you use?
>>336514393
I used about 8 different adjustment layers but you're basically doing a white balance correction like with cameras.
>>336514535
Thanks mate
>>336501882
I think Grim Dawn is currently the closest to Diablo I/II in terms of gothic/gory/depressing atmosphere, but more occultish rather than satanic.
>>336513449
Diablo 2 would be The Hunchback of Notre Dame and Diablo 3 Hotel Transylvania.
>>336508207
Fem crusader was my waifu play when i first got it. Then i actually started playing and got incredibly bored with the "skills"
>>336501882
What is a good word for how the models in games like D3 and Warcraft have a kind of sandblasted-plastic look to them?
>all these idiots not understanding the golden age of sprites has left us forever
You can remake diablo, starcraft and age of empires all you want but you will never get back that aesthetic.
>>336513716
Looks worse, color is out of whack and contrast is fucked, retarded UI is too big and just looks allround awful.
>>336516185
"shit"
alternatively, "horrible"
>>336510309
I don't know, man. Diablo's was the fucking best. At the very end after dealing with tons of shit the first and only thing that mother fucker says when you can't even SEE him is "Not even death will save you from me." Then he proceeds to asspound you. That was done well.
>>336504186
it's not really grim. your character is stronger than all the angels and demons put together.
>>336519186
>At the very end after dealing with tons of shit the first and only thing that mother fucker says when you can't even SEE him is "Not even death will save you from me." Then he proceeds to asspound you. That was done well.
This.
When he's not telling you the exact details of his plans, Azmodan taunts you every step of the way on your magical crystal cell phone.
It really ruins the immersion and presents the supposedly all powerful evils as saturday morning cartoon villain drama queens.
Blizzard has some fucking shit writers and should stick to WoW if they want to make cartoony shit.
>>336520007
It kind of kills the mood when NPCs are talking about how great the bosses are and all the notes talking about how dangerous the wildlife are when they're not really threats to the almighty player character.
>>336514962
Atmosphere is ok, but I wish for more loots, bigger stash and more enemies. Feels kinda short.
>>336520646
You forgot to mention that the bosses of Act 3 and 4 will call on on their holophone every time you finish a quest to tell you that you're still fucked, despite having done that thing.
>>336520538
because when a game is actually difficult people bitch eternally
see: release inferno
>>336520538
>Azmodan calls you regularly to talk baseless shit
>Diablo is a repeat of Azmodan
>Belial wasn't fooling anyone
>Butcher was reduced to a WoW boss with no impact for his existence
Why do I get the feeling Maghda was the only remotely competent villain? Yeah, she liked calling you up to bitch, but at least she got you to do exactly what she wanted you to.
>>336521263
inferno was bullshit. you were locked into a stricter build than diablo 2. monk was only playable by having 5 of their 6 abilities be defensive cooldowns
>>336521887
I know anon, I was maining monk during it.
And I loved every masochistic second. You didn't play inferno to explore wacky builds and mess around.
You played it because you wanted to push the limits.
And it's all gone now. Just endless grtifting instead.
>>336522040
before it was endless act 1 runs. until you had a chance to survive act 2. or you paid for gear
>>336521887
>inferno designed to be months of grind/slow progression of equipment to tolerate the next act
>RMAH designed around scarcity of items in the game
>people cry because they can't face roll the game in 5 hours
>game nerfed until you can face roll it in 5 hours
people beat inferno. you just fucking suck and turned the game into a pile of noob shit with your bitching.
>>336517383
I think I may have been better off describing it as like weathered glass. It has a certain appeal to it.
>>336521887
>inferno was bullshit
there was nothing actually difficult about vanilla inferno itself ... once you got the gear, and therein lied the rub. inferno was noting more than a giant gear check to drive players to the auction house to find allres items. it was further trivialized by hilarious exploits like archon invincibility that took forever to fix as well tyrone farming.
>>336521385
Maghda and Adria were the actual villains.
The demon lords were boring because that's what they are. Just loot pinatas at the ends of dungeons.
It was just like in the old diablos. Only Baal was decent in that way.
>>336522129
>5 hours
there's a seasonal achievement to do it in 1 now
>>336522218
spoken like a true ranged class
I bet you just played demon hunter through all of it.
>>336522332
i played one button monk sweeping wind monk like everyone else did.
>>336522448
>not playing deadly reach bell monk because enemies would fuck your shit up if you get too close
you haven't played it like it was meant to be played anon
>>336522320
To be fair, completing that conquest requires a team setup and coordination.
>>336522129
You're not actually endorsing the rmah are you? The loot system was beyond terrible in vanilla inferno, and most people progressed pre-nerf inferno by tricks that made you invincible.
Diablo 1 has great atmosphere and a decent plot, not to retarded or comic booky, gameplay is pretty bad, game is overall pretty basic and lacking.
Diablo 2 has awful repetitive and boring gameplay, everything looks the same, the classes are all dull and boring itemization is garbage items are bland stat increases 9 times out of 10, classes are unbalanced and some builds are completly usless, the atmosphere from the first game is gone and the game looks and feels like a saturday morning cartoon, the plot is deviant art levels of awful and it rapes the lore hard and the game offer's absolutely no challenge
Diablo 3 (RoS) has great gameplay with plenty of replayability and loads of extra modes, plot and atmosphere is better than 2 but not as good as 1, music is amazing and fits really well, classes are very well done and play differently from each other, spells are all useful and satisfying, the game has great items with loads of depth and customization and no one build or class completely dominating.
The only people who think D2 is good are the casuals with nostalgia goggles on, D2 was casual garbage back in the day and it still is now.
>>336522218
>a gear grind game was all about gear grind
YOU DONT SAY?
now its a gear grind game where you don't have to grind for gear they just give it to you
>>336522626
yea
nah
>>336522040
>monk
>maschostic
lmao
life steal heaven hands
tclap/sweeping wind, literally never fucking died
monk, dh, and wiz were invincible.
only masochistic class ever was witch doctor until bearspam came out
>>336522626
>plot and atmosphere is better than 2
>D2 was casual garbage
And if D2 is casual then D3 is fucking neopets
>>336522673
gear grind is fine
when drops are tied to the auction house is not fine.
>>336522607
i beat act 3 with a wizard stacking run speed using blizzard and hydra fairly early on
someone beat act 4 inferno hardcore with a throw barbarian and streamed it
vanilla was the best diablo 3. the game is just noobs grinding paragon now and playing hardcore where you have to die 3 times in 1 minute to lose your character.
>Tfw shield bash crusader in S6
>found final witness and flail of the ascended within the first 10 rifts of level 70
>busted balls for drakon's and 5pc rolands
>shoot from T1 to T9 in one equipment check
>game is now boring
I guess my 1 billion damage crits are cool though.
>>336522713
I said masochistic, not insane
If you played WD you had a mental condition.
If you had the gear to pull off a sweeping winds build you obviously did not push yourself.
>>336522793
drops were not tied to the auction house but RMAH was always a time bomb waiting for an exploit to rape it which inevitably happened. it was a bad idea but original vanilla was challenging and actually felt epic/rewarding when you progressed. now you start season 6 and are doing billions of damage within 2 hours of creating your character. fucking stupid.
not gonna complain though i made like $400 just flipping shit before gold duping raped the game
>>336522909
>tfw pick wizard for S6
>still stuck with shit dmo set
>cant even solo t6
>paragon 210
>leeching off t8 rifts
>no chantodos, only 3/6 firebirds items
REEEEEE
>>336501882
If you come from the school of thought that Diablo 2 lost a lot of what made the first game unique, in the atmosphere and setting department, then Diablo 3 is going to make it much, much worse.
It's a shame that with Diablo 2 they went for a generic fantasy setting instead of the incredibly gothic thing they had going. I can't think of anything in the same vein desu
>>336522719
Whats your highest Grift?
>>336522719
But D2 is significantly more casual than D3
>>336523331
75 hardcore. the game is neopets.
1% skill 99% paragon level
![1300044776986[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/lcCKU1N.jpg "1300044776986[1].jpg")
>>336523491
not really though
>>336523618
Yes really though
>>336523617
post screen shot
Also
>75
>high
lol
>>336523491
This d2 was as casual as it gets, D3 has infinite scaling difficulty.
Do the math.
>>336524984
>lol 75
>you need to grind more paragon that proves you are skilled
>>336525225
>watching the numbers get bigger means its harder
