FF9 > FF8 > FF6 > FF7 > all other titles
prove me wrong
>m-muh ff8 sucks cuz its 2 hard!!!
git gud
FF8 doesn't suck cuz it's too hard. It sucks cuz it's too easy.
Btw Lightning Returns has FAR better combat than any other FF game. So it's actually fun to play despite a bad story.
>>335849213
So what you're saying it's too difficult so it's too easy because you won't play it because it's too difficult because it's too easy?
>>335849054
FF9 does nothing great. It doesn't have the best music, it doesn't have the best story, it doesn't have the best characters, it doesn't have the best world map, there's nothing about FFIX that makes it anywhere as memorable as V, VI, VII, or even X.
You constantly have problems like Amarant, and shitty designed dungeons that were copied from other games.
For fucks sakes, IX's capture from Kuja was exactly the same as VIII's capture from Seifer. But in a much less spectacular fashion, he just lets you go. Then you go to some shitty dungeon that was copied straight out from IV.
>>335849759
So what is your best list then
>>335849054
Literal retard that is riding the hype cos he just played the steam release of IX
/thread
>>335849759
9 is a thousand times more memorable than 5, anon, what the fuck.
7>8>9>6>5>4
Objectively Objective list.
>>335849759
Woosh, such shit taste.
IX has probably one of the best OST out of the FF series, it has without a doubt the best cast of characters and everything else is incredibly solid, specially the goat atmosphere.
The fuck are you on anon?
FF8 > FF7 > FF6 > FF10 > FF9 > FF5 > FF12 > FF4 > the rest
>>335849054
>FF8
>>335849054
How is FF8 hard?
I don't think you can even die in that game
5 > 9 > 4 > 7 > 1 > 6 > 12 > 3 > 10 > 13 > 8 > 2
tbqh
>>335850569
FF6 had easily the best OST considering system limitations.
>>335850631
oh and here's my list
ff6>tactics>ff7>ffx-2>ffx>>>>>>bad rats>ff8
>>335850405
>>335850579
>7 anywhere near top
Found the underaged weeb faggots
>>335850717
I said ONE of the best but I definitely agree with you.
My opinion in the OST is IX/VI/VII as the best, VII and X are great too and so is IV and V OST.
Damn, is FF the only game series that is ALWAYS amazing at the music department?
>>335850818
>Master Contrarian Memeposter post
Wow
>>335850818
>FF9 PC Smartphone
What a time we live in
>>335850861
I meant IX/VI/VIII*
>>335849054
>FFVIII
>hard
You can break the game IN THE FIRST DISC. Junction is easily exploitable, as is the level scaling. It is the opposite of hard.
11 is the best FF game and also has the best OST
>>335850898
Cool argument. You are still a worthless weeb fag
>>335850972
Sorry I don't have any memepost for you contraryposter
>>335850942
Every FF can be exploited like that in some way.
>>335850970
So sad I never got to play this
>>335850970
If you don't think that XII is the best game in the series, you have a different opinion than I do.
>>335850970
He's right about the OST tbqh
>>335851052
Not to the extent of FF8 though.
Card Mod is too good
>>335851052
13 can't because they put limitations on how much you can develop your characters and it doesn't unlock more of the crystarium until the next chapter of the story
>>335849054
I like FFIV more than 6 and 7
>>335851020
So you cant defend your position? Neat
Why was this allowed?
>>335851226
What's your argument?
>Muh weebposter
Doesn't even make sense mate, FF7 is the best.
>>335850569
VIII had a better OSt than IX.
VIII!
>>335851226
>>335851062
Imagine living inside a Final Fantasy world, every day you get to wake up and go on adventures. You'd get to play through storylines as good as any single player JRPG but with each character in your party being controlled by one of your best friends.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iesY1XssACM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kzrmwcSizIY
>opinions or sales
http://vgsales.wikia.com/wiki/Best_selling_Square-Enix_games
1) FF7
2) FF10
3) FF8
4) FF13
5) FF12
>ff8
>hard
All you have to do is put Irvine in yellow HP Range and you win.
>>335851258
They were creationists who think dinosaurs walked the earth in the same era as men
the 90's was a different time
>>335851437
FF8 has a better OST than any other FF game and pretty much any game ever made period besides Nier.
>>335849054
I liked VIII. It has far too many problems to consider it a classic in my eyes and I perfectly understand the hate behind it, but I still enjoyed it. Idk if I enjoyed it as much as VII honestly. VII is great but I don't feel it's a legend in vidya.
>>335851554
or anybody for that matter
Selphie has the free full party heals, Squall has the absurd damage, Zell is pretty decent too
and if you junctioned 100 magic and collected all the GFs, there was literally no challenge
FF8 > FF7 > FF12 > FF1 - 6 > Superman64 > FF13 > SJWs > FF9
Prove me wrong
>>335851556
Why was THIS allowed?
literally shit
>>335851554
>wasting your time by buying bullets
Zell is free and deal much more damage
>>335849054
lolwut I've never heard anyone say FF8 was hard. If anything it's too easy.
After playing through IX again.
FFVII >= FFVIII > FFIX
IX does nothing better than any other FF game. The gameplay moves too slow and becomes a chore, the story moves too fast and feels rushed. Equipment AP is nowhere near as fun or customizeable as Materia or GFs.
The characters neither have a wide spread of attention like VII's where everyone gets characterization or laser focused attention like VIII's where everyone else's arcs are designed to influence Squall's progression moreso than be their own character.
Beatrix is the most nonsensical unwinnable boss fight I've ever seen in a JRPG. She completely defies any logic that unwinnable bossfights are supposed to serve. I'm supposed to feel shame for losing to her that inspires me to grow stronger and beat her in a later encounter. Not for her to wreck my shit in rapid succession three times in a row then say "I'm a good guy now". It doesn't work that way. That just leaves the player with blue balls and a pointless chip on their shoulder.
Terra was an awful plot twist and being a callback to FFIV doesn't excuse it, I don't see how the orphanage in VIII gets so much shit in comparison.
Trance is the worst limit break system in the series. It takes forever to build up and always pops when you don't need it.
Also the world map is poorly textured and ugly.
>>335851740
He's referred to as the "Headmaster" because he sucked NORG's dick
>>335849054
27 years old. I've played through ff7,8 and now 9 with my room mate. It has been the most annoying final fantasy yet.1 dimensional as fuck characters (as of disc 2), constant splitting of the party leaving me with a whm 1/2 of the time.
Its my least fave of the 3 so far
>>335851087
Finally, the truth.
>>335851475
Besides having to fight for your life multiple times and life being rough, atleast you would have a chance to fight, you would travel the world, give life meaning, save the world and make unforggetable places, seeing amazing scenery and dying with a smile being able to say that you lived a worthy life with meaning.fuck, I didnt want to feel this feel
>>335851768
The penguin with a trumpet is dope though, I wish he was in the party
>>335851740
>fucks off and leaves a bunch of teenagers to do his job because he's such a pussy
a disgrace to robin williams
>>335851790
8 may be hard if it's your first time playing and you literally have no idea how much you can get out of junctioning and cards.
>>335851475
>but with each character in your party being controlled by one of your best friends
So I'd have to solo everything?
>>335851792
Some people did prefer the fixed classes of FF9 over more customizable systems of 7 or 8. I wouldn't automatically label it as an inferior system, more of a preference. The gameplay moving too slow in FF9 is a serious issue though. You forgot to mention that the card game is objectively garbage compare to FF8 too.
>>335849383
Nigga you had a stroke or something?
>>335851895
>tfw you are tanking
>15% hp
>monster attacking your mages
>you provoke knowing you are going to die
>you are going to die because it is your duty
>lose 10% of your exp
>no thanks is given
>such is life as a tank
>>335849054
1-6 > shit > the rest
>>335849054
RPGs genre >>>>>>>> FF games
>>335850569
IX is up there, and has some stellar tracks, but it's the worst OST of the PS1 games, and it's not as good as the SNES games.
>>335849054
Final Fantasy V is better than Final Fantasy VII and VIII. People only like FFVII so much because it was good when it came out and nobody had played V. Git gud taste, OP
>>335852286
5 was also much better than FF9. I don't know why you only brought up 7 and 8.
>>335849054
ix is best ff, best game, best everything
viii was not quite so good and belongs at the tail end of the list
FF14 got the best single player
>>335852275
I disagree with you but I respect your opinion, I also have huge bias for IX so there is that.
But I still think IX is tied with VIII while VII a bit behind.
>>335852405
Because 8 is shit and 7 is overrated shit, but 9 is about as good as 5. I'm sick of this "FFVII is the best one and all the other ones are shit" meme.
>>335851895
Not one moment of your life would be wasted, at the end of every fruitless endeavor or rewardless struggle you'd always emerge with the one thing that mattered most, friendship. Every adventure left you with memories of time spent with friends and the great struggles you overcame and jokes you shared.
man IX fags make me sad because I'm a IX fag myself but every time I see a IX fag they always have to shove their opinions on everyone. I feel like IX fags are really insecure about their favorite game
Final Fantasy5is the best Final Fantasy game, prove me wrong fag.
>>335852491
>>335852080
It is an inferior system when FFV proved how good a job based system could be years earlier, and even in VI which had both fixed (but infinitely more interesting jobs) with an added layer of customization on top of it. Even if VII and VIII went in completely different directions, Final Fantasy had already proven in earlier installments that it could do better than IX, which is why I don't give it that pass.
XIII-2
deal with it nerds
>prove me wrong
I'll prove you wrong once you post objective arguments, you twat.
>>335852491
>>335852662
14's solo content is actually more fun than its group content
>>335852658
butz
>>335852723
>2 party members
>Mass Effect suit DLC
etc
That game gives me cancer in my gut
>>335852626
Anon.. stop... I cant take this feel.
>>335851768
>Waaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! Why does this FANTASY game have FANTASY creatures in it? I don't like FANTASY elements in my FANTASY games!
FF IV A BEST
>>335851778
You know shit about the game.
https://youtu.be/92lKzOTJf9w
>>335850815
>X-2 over X
>never played anything pre-6
>>335849054
Good Tier:
Theathrythm
Decent Tier:
FFV
FFVI
FFVIII
FFX
Lackluster Tier:
FFI
FFVII
FFX-2
FFXII
FFXI
FFXIV 2.0
Tactics
Bad Tier:
All the others
>>335849054
8>9>>>>>4>>>>>5>6>7
>>335850579
Why is IV that low? It's great
>>335853194
Man, why don't you faggots like anything?
>>335853619
Because he's posting on /v/ and it's cool to hate everything.
>>335853194
I never understood this fucking design on characters, doesnt the character feel weird wearing something that barely covers her vagina?
Wouldnt that easily be ripped apart or simply be too uncomfortable to wear?
Fuck man I dont get this.
>>335851816
NORG is the most jarring part of any FF
>giant fat ass alien thing in the basement of the garden
>literally no one knows about him yet he gains a group of student rebels
>spouts expository dialogue that doesnt fucking matter
>literally only exists to tell you Cid and Edea were married
What a fucking joke that wasI like VIII too
>>335854061
>design
Its aimed at 14 year old boys. Not the comfort of a fictional woman. If you want practical design, go look at other series besides Final Fantasy.
>>335853619
I like plenty of things. Final Fantasy as a series just isn't that good. Something the fanbase itself loves to point out.
>>335852816
Factually untrue.
You don't even get to make good use of your abilities unless you're in a group. Most notably, all the positional bonuses that Monk has.
>>335849054
>FF9 > FF8
>When 9 is a downgrade in every aspect
No.
Final Fantasy XV is going to bomb. It'll still sell a few million, but it won't sell anywhere near what people or Square expects. It may even sell less than FFXIII did.
Square needs to stop putting so much funding behind Final Fantasy and diversify over 10-15 medium sized games. Like they did on the SNES/PS1. One more ultra high budget FF game failing will cripple the company.
>>335849383
You tried to be sarcastic about his sentence, but you didn't realize he was correct in this case. Now you look like a retard.
>>335856174
Personally I'd be fine with a few more FF games using the FF9 "engine"/style. Just in HD of course. It was perfection for me.
>>335856645
Too bad. All you get is Bravely Default and Chibi smartphone games.
>>335849054
>There are people who think FF8 is hard
>There are people who unironically think FF9 is good, let alone the best
>>335857414
I would unironically love to live in the world of FF9. It's so comfy.
>>335857414
>There are people who think FF8 is hard
Sitting through all that tutorial and training dialogue was pretty hard. But playing the actual game of course was easy. Didn't even have to junction anything and you could just spam attack/GFs to win.
FFT is the best game in the series and my favorite game of all time and no one can stop me.
>>335849054
>>335849054
9 suffers from slow battle swirls. 11 is better than all of them for more reasons than I can list.
>>335857892
This guy gets it.
>>335849054
>time for muh daily ff9 is good shitpost thread
*tips furdora
>>335849054
IX was a bad Final Fantasy. It had absolutely terrible equipment, skill, and ability systems that allowed no room for players to shape their characters in any way. The trance system going off outside of your control was even worse designed than VIII's limit spamming. The combat was slow and boring and the only interesting mechanic AT ALL was the dynamic between Steiner and Vivi, and it didn't really add anything to the game at all. It had a terribly boring setting that's only praised by "classic fans" because it didn't emphasize sci-fi, completely disregarding that Final Fantasy has used sci-fi elements from the start of the series. Your cast consisted of characters like Freya who were completely forgotten by the plot after their usefulness to the story was up, characters like Quina who basically just showed up whenever the game felt you needed a 4th party member and didn't do ANYTHING of any relevance, and characters like Amarant who I'm still trying to figure out why he was added to the game. The protagonist and antagonist being "space alien grim reaper brothers" is by far the worst plot twist in the series, much worse than either the orphanage in VIII or "You're a dream Teedus" could ever hope to be.
The worst part of all? In a series that's known for its innovation in its genre, Final Fantasy IX bitched out and actively BACKTRACKED to boring, outdated, mechanics. At least the early games it was a callback to were innovations of their time like the ATB system in IV, and at least for the PSX titles VII, VIII, and Tactics all tried to do new things with turn-based RPGs, storytelling, and world building even if it didn't please everyone- whereas IX actively decided to say fuck that, and appeal to idiots who want video games to stagnate.
It was boring and had nothing unique going for it. In fact, nothing about the game is particularly memorable. It has no sense of identity for itself and just takes after previous titles.
>play FF1
>go to the marsh cave with a decent early game party with 30 potions and 8 antidotes in tow
>STILL get my shit slapped relentlessly by randoms and have to run from several encounters, two characters die on the boss wizards, end up limping back to elftown with only one character alive with all of my spells and potions spent and the one character left alive is near death
>at no point was I doing anything other than trying as hard as I could
>play FF6
>steamroll the game without even fucking trying
What the fuck happened to this series?
>>335853194
your taste is terrible
FFVIII > FFII
>>335858521
Entire SaGa series > FF VIII
>>335858521
that's a very low bar
>>335858465
It became casual friendly :^)
>>335850645
Fuckin this
>>335850405
6>4>4TAY>FFT>1>13>13-2>LR13>10>10-2>MQ>12>5>7>3>9>8>2
objectiveER
>>335849054
>prove me wrong
FFIX had slower combat, bad customization, ugly art design and blatantly copied far too many sources. And like most FF games, the story fell apart and left you with a feeling that you wasted your time completing the game.
FF9 does nothing remarkable and seems like 90% of the content is recycled from older better games. It's like running for nostalgia full speed without any risk or experimentation, I guess that works for FF's audience in 2000?
>>335850645
7>6>5>4>12>9>1>3>10>2>8>>>>literally shit>13
desu senpai
>>335858521
Yeah, actually.
>>335857892
Poor mans tactics ogre plot.
>All these literal plebs not listing the MMOs
Opinion = Discarded
>>335859053
You think someone here wasted 14 years of his life just to learn entirety of the above average plot of FFXI?
>>335858905
FFIX sold significantly less than FFVII and VIII. And most fans/critics claimed it wasn't good even for a callback game. Since it ignored a lot of the things FF fans wanted in a 'classic' FF game.
It also came out when the hype for FFX and the movie was building. In all, it wasn't that popular. It has become more popular on the internjet with black sheep loving crowd. Same as Zelda: Majora's Mask was not as big as Ocarina of Time when it released, but now /v/ acts like it was the best Zelda.
>>335859182
Who cares about plot?
>>335859053
Hmm, let's see:
>a game that was grind city to get to any of the interesting content
>a failed pseudo-sandbox MMO that got replaced by:
>a WoW clone where questing is mandatory and the game puts you through LITERAL hours of fetch questing at a time
No, fuck that and fuck you.
>>335859309
No one sure as hell cares about the "macro to win" gameplay of FFXI
>>335859381
>to get to any of the interesting content
Well that's your shitty opinion. XI literally plops you into a huge world full of plot and lore and characters, not to mention it's a living world with other players.
But nope, it's shit because you have to kill monsters to see the rest of the content.
You're right about XIV being complete shit at least.
>>335859391
>macro to win
You're an idiot
How did Vivi become legion?
>>335849054
I haven't played all the games, but based on what I have played:
6 > Tactics > 4 > 9 > 7 > 10 > 1 > 8 > 10-2 > 13-2 > 13
13 was the only one I didn't like, and it was mostly because you had no freedom until the last few hours of the game. 13-2 improved on it, though.
>>335859642
>But nope, it's shit because you have to kill monsters to see the rest of the content.
You are 100% correct, I am not interested in grinding for literal days to see the things I care about in a game and this instantly makes the game shit. Fucking deal with it.
9, 10, and 6 > 7 closely behind > the rest > 2,8,13
>8 is hard
what, it's one of the easiest ones
>>335849054
best waifu
>>335859794
No one cares about the opinion of a casual. It's why I said that the opinion of anyone who doesn't rank the MMOs can be safely discarded.
>>335849383
Nigger you gone Full Retard
>>335859720
He banged Eiko and Eiko gave birth to many baby Vivis.
>>335849054
>>335859907
>No one cares about the opinion of a casual.
You mean nobody cares about the opinion of a dumbass poopsocker.
Howcan people not like this world?
>>335860123
You didn't need to spend an unholy amount of time to do things in XI. It's a common misconception. You had a group of buddies who got together at a set time and played for a few hours. Maybe you'll binge at times, maybe you won't. Sometimes you leveled up, sometimes you explored, sometimes you did missions, etc..
Fuckers like you commonly spent all hours sitting in Jeuno shouting for a group.
>>335860281
>You had a group of buddies who got together at a set time and played for a few hours.
For literal months until you get to content that is worthwhile. That will literally never be worth it.
>tfw a literal massive asshole shows up to suck up your city
>playing ff9 on steam
>pretty far in the game
>"huh this is shorter than i remember"
>over 30 hours played
fuckin hell time just flew by as i played this. forgot how much i enjoyed it. and without the breaks in between disc changes, it makes it difficult to gauge where i am.
>>335860503
>content that is worthwhile
Again, that's your shitty opinion. There was a lot to do at almost every level of the game. Every starting zone had a two dungeons to explore, for example and NMs that dropped good loot.
>>335860570
do they fix the startup time for fights?
If they do that alone makes it worth buying again.
>>335860256
>every character but the princess looks like a chibified version of a generic fantasy novel cover
Its like the designers were trying to go for that 'its so ugly, its beautiful' look. And I hate it.
>>335860717
you can speed up the game at will. So that helps
>>335860897
>princess
She is the Queen
>>335861038
spoiler alert, dipshit
>>335861201 the game is 15 years old
>>335860027
XII IS criminally underrated, the battle system is fucking glorious
>>335861513
Only on /v/. It's generally well-liked.
>>335861513
But all characters outside of Balthier and Fran are literally whooo. Forgetable no ones.
>>335858914
>lookit me hate 13 everyone!
good parrot, good, it's almost like that opinion was made for you to use to fit in and be cool to neckbeards on the internet.
naw couldn't be that....
>>335861646hallways
>>335861646
FF XIII is literally "No Cities: The Game"
>>335860683
>There was a lot to do at almost every level of the game.
And just about all of it is gated behind the need to grind for several hours at a time. This will never not make the game garbage.
>>335861646
13 tried to be X and failed in every single category except graphics but who gives a shit. This is not an exaggeration
>>335861902
Some people enjoy a grind, first of all. Second if you could just zip to end game content like every other shit MMO then it wouldn't be worth playing. Third if you had a group of friends those "several hours" would turn into just a small handful because you'd be killing things faster than you'd realize. Plus many groups would look for places to hunt specific types of monsters for specific types of loot to help with crafting or getting gil.
Again, I'm sorry you're too much of a casual to understand any of this but it'll always be the elder god of Final Fantasy.
>>335862660
>smiles at you smugly making you believe you won the argument, when actually the winner is I
>>335862660
And where are your FF11 """"friends"""" now?
>>335862867
>>335862987
>bla bla bla ad hominem
5,6,7,9 are the only good ones fags
>>335860717
Certain battles still have that swoopy camera shit that eats up time, but you can turn it off for the most part in the game's options.
Now if only getting good gear didn't depend on spamming Steal while the rest of the party tries not to kill bosses.
>>335863080
6,7,9,10 for me
V is good but not as good as those 4
>>335858452
This pasta is staler than a can of chef Boyardee.
>>335863165
>>335860946
good to know, I might pick it up. It's a shame they cant get an alternate way of getting some of that equipment.
>>335863071
;)
I've only finished 5-13. Not counting spinoffs, my subjective list goes:
8 > 6 > 12 > 10 > 5 > 9 > 7 > 13
But I like them all. Video games are fun.
>>335863603
>Video games are fun
You've come to the wrong place.
>>335849054
Are we counting Tactics? It's not main line but we love it as if it is so i would say...
IX = Tactics > VIII = X > VI > VII > The rest
XII had a lot of potential and it still hurts to see how they took a big dump on it. Could have been great.
I never played FF12. Currently downloading the 7 hours long cutscenes version from YouTube, using a youtube to mp4 conversion site. What am I in for?
>>335863754
I feel like there are at least a handful of people like me that can come here regularly and still enjoy things.
>>335851939
Isn't that sort of what he did in the end anyway?
>>335864262
the fuck
>>335864341
3 out of 5GB downloaded already. At least it's in HD. Probably better than on ps2
>>335864430
Can you not emulate?
>>335849054
FF6 > FF7 > FF9 >> FF8.
FF8's combat system fucking sucked and it's story was incoherent.
FF6, FF7, FF4, FF9, FF13, FF10, FF11, FF8, FF5, FF12, FF1, FF3, FF2, FF14
>>335864491
I'm not gonna play that shitfest. I just want the story. I stopped playing FF after FFX.
Are 13's cutscenes worth downloading?
>>335864610
>13 above anything
You were doing so well.
>>335864651
Why not just watch a movie? Like Star Wars?
>>335862660
>Some people enjoy a grind
I enjoy grinding. But it also requires a good combat system. Something like Dragon Quest, battles take 5-10 seconds. While in Final Fantasy IX, the battle doesn't even start for 30 seconds. And every attack takes another 30 seconds.
I could have killed 5 metal slimes in the time it takes FFIX to have ONE battle.
I need to vent. I cannot enjoy FF6.
My first was 1. My second game was 4 and 7 was my third and I've played them all since. I can see the downsides and merits in 8 and 9, but Jesus christ... i just cannot get into FF6. I've tried many times over the years and it occupies this slot where it's trying to be more innovative and advanced than older entries in the series while still being hung by their trappings.
I WANT to like it, but it just switches between characters and scenarios constantly with no time for brevity for any of the seemingly serious issues the parry are facing. Near the beginning when Can't family dies gets almost no time even when he sees them dead at the train station. We get a "leave him alone" from Shadow and then it promptly moves on to whatever the fuck we were doing.
I feel like they wanted to do too much and couldn't give any one thing beyond Terra and sometimes Celes the time it desperately needed. I feel like if they had less characters they wouldn't get watered down.
Every time I get interested in something in this fucking game it's off to the next thing too quickly.
>m-muh ff8 sucks cuz its 2 hard!!!
>git gud
It's not hard. It's fucking boring.
> Draw system is shit. So is the Junction system. It punishes you for using magic
> The fact that magic is finite.
> Who wants to use magic anyways. Why use Firaga when you have Ifrit?
> Oh yea. The summoning sequences are UNSKIPPABLE. AND LONG AS HELL.
> Permanently skippable summons.
> That everyone that you've met throughout your journey, all of them, happened to be part of the orphanage you stayed in as a little kid??? AND EVERYONE FORGOT EACH OTHER?
>"Limit Break" system was lame.
> Enemies growing stronger the stronger your characters are is lamer.
> Yea I'm mad. Went to disk 4 twice, but never beat the game because it gave me cancer.
>>335864610
>13 above 5 and 10
>>335864758
Cause I want to know the story of FF12 and already know Star Wars
>>335864883
Fucking mobile shit and retardation broke my post. I meant Cyan's family.
>>335864792
We were talking about XI, not IX. And IX is generally considered to be slow, yes.
>>335864974
If you already know star wars you already know XII. :^)
>>335864651
Play FF13. It's better. Okay story, mostly good characters, pretty good combat system, fun gameplay.
FF4, FF6, FF7, FF9, FF10, FF13 are the ones worth playing,
>>335864758
>>335864964
FF13 is better than practically all those games that I listed below it.
FF14, FFF2 and FF3 were shit
FF1 is easy to surpass unless you are completely broken like the other three
FF12 was an incomplete offline MMO
FF5 had broken elements
FF8 had the most potential but suffered from an incoherent story and awful combat
FF11 is alright, but not as engaging.
FF10 is the fan favorite in Japan so I can see it.
>>335865084
>FF13 is better than practically all those games that I listed below it.
No.
>>335858465
You did not experience the true terror of NES FFII and FFIII.
>>335865169
Yes they are. If they were better than FF13, then how come none of those games I listed were anywhere near as successful as FF13?
How come none of them sold anywhere near as well as FF13? How come none of them got a subseries like FF13? How come they don't have anywhere near as big of a following as FF13?
Just asking.
>>335865316
McDonald's of the series
>>335865316
FF7 and FF13 are thest FF then? Does that include Dirge of Cerberus and Lightning Returns?
>>335865412
>McDonalds of the series
That's your best argument?
Then how come games like FF4, FF7, and FF10 get the same kind of stuff? How come FF6 can still be considered the only rival of FF7 after all of these years?
That's a convenient excuse to hide the fact that FF13 was far more successful.
>>335849054
>FF8 sucks because it's too hard
I don't think a single human being over the age of 10 has ever said this. You can literally break the game in the first hour by farming cards.
>>335865316
Success does not equal better. If it did X, XI and VII (and possibly others) should all be listed higher, either due to simple numbers or inflation.
Sales does not equal better. If it did X, XI and VII (and possibly others) should all be listed higher as explained above.
Popularity does not equal better. If it did XIII should be listed rather low as it got many, many poor reviews.
>>335865569
the best*
>>335865316
>If they were better than FF13, then how come none of those games I listed were anywhere near as successful as FF13?
Because none of them were out during the series peak or were on highly popular platforms like the 360 and PS3. Also, 2, 3, and 5 didn't get released in the west initially.
>>335849213
Lightning Returns doesn't even have better combat than FFX-2.
9=5>4=7=6>10=12=1>3=2=8>13
>>335861646
everyone uses it because its a very popular opinion and 13 fags are the biggest group of fedora wearing neckbeards in vidya
>>335865569
Dude, FF4, FF7, FF10, FF13 got quite a lot of big following allowing the subseries to exist.
No, that doesn't count as those are spinnoff games. Those games exist BECAUSE of the number title.
>>335865626
>>335865797
But you just contradicted yourself
FF7, FF10, FF4, FF6, etc were far more successful than most FF games just like FF13
FF7, FF10 and FF13 sold better than the grand majority of Final Fantasy games (FF11 sales work differently due to subscription based fees etc)
But how does that not help out on what is considered better?
You are just trying to say 'no that doesn't count' when it comes to FF13, but then going on and saying it counts for games like FF4, FF7, FF10, etc. That is basically hypocrisy.
>>335863603
Play IV. It's like a more streamlined version of VI.
>>335865981
Not that guy, but the average user scores for that game say otherwise:
>Metacritic: 7.5 user average from 2100+ people
>IGN: 8.5 user average from 6700+ people
>Gamespot: 8.2 user average from 11,000+ people
That's not a popular opinion if the average user it enjoying the game.
>>335865051
Every fantasy plot boils down to star wars in the end depending on how far you simplify it.
Anyone have any rare FF6 or FF9 art?
>>335866198do it to 3 5 and 10
>>335865990
>That is basically hypocrisy.
I said that if you were going to follow that logic other games in the series would be ranked higher than XIII. In other words you can't use that logic to somehow slip XIII into the higher ranks when there's games that outperform it.
At the end of the day you basically have to take responsibility for your poor taste in games.
For example. I still like Mystic Quest.
>>335866198
Because JJ Abrams, the inventor of Star Wars and Star Trek, is a genius.
>>335865574
It's not my best argument but I am telling you success in sales and number of customers is not always the sign of highest quality.
All games have their problems, but 13s problems were numerous and hit you right in the face. I don't want to play the game for 30 hours to get to where it starts resembling the series more, beyond a largely annoying cast and lesbian motorcycles.
>>335866297
>X
Auren is Yoda. Teedus is Luke. Sin is the Death Star. Yuna is Laiya. Wakka is a wookie.
>>335865990
It's as simple as sales not being equal to quality. If you like 13 better, so be it. No need to go full English Major and write an essay. Also, 10 and 12 did get sequels. Square was just milking 13 to death because people kept eating it up. I like 5 and 10 better, thus, I think they are better.
>>335865084
XIII is a decent middle of the road final fantasy game that soured once the sequels came out.
FF6 > FF5 > FF10 > FF7 > FF13 > FF9 > FF8 > FF12 > FF1 > FF4 > FF3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FF2
>>335849054
All other titles > FF9 > FF3
This is the real order.
>>335866198
>Every fantasy plot boils down to star wars
Triggered.
>>335866371
>I'm telling you success in sales and number of customers is not always the sign of highest quality.
Tell that to Star Wars: The Force Awakens. Or better yet, games like FF7, Skyrim, etc.
>All games have their problems, but 13s problems were numerous and hit you right in the face.
If they were numerous, then how come everybody rated the games well by both critic and user average? How come people wanted a FF13-2 (therefore LR) and bought the game again? How come they keep giving Lightning all that attention through voting?
>>335866341
>At the end of the day you basically have to take responsibility for your poor taste in games.
Says the hypocritical bastard that thinks success + Sales + demand = good product.
That's what all products want
>>335866682
Those aren't sequels, those are subseries
>>335866673
That's why I said FF10 was a huge fan favorite. Also, FF12 didn't. They said Revenant Wings disowned the FF12 name and stated it should be considered a new game altogether.
FF13 wasn't milked. Those games came out because people wanted them:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2#Development
>>335849054
>FF8 > FF6 > FF7
no
>>335866930
>Give us more XIII
>Give them more XIII
Yeah, milked. They weren't made because the company and developers liked it, it was made because consumers liked it.
>>335866930
>Says the hypocritical bastard that thinks success + Sales + demand = good product.
How many times do I need to explain in the King's good English that I don't believe those equate to a good product? All I said was that if you use that logic then other titles would have been ranked higher than XIII, and at the end of the day you just have to suck it up and account for your own shitty taste in video games.
>>335866930
to be fair the 13 sequels sold substantially less than 13
All sorts of normies I went to highschool with bought 13 even though they had never touched a FF title before much less a jrpg outside of maybe pokemon
>>335867163
>They weren't made because the company and developers liked it, it was made because consumers liked it.
You really didn't read WHY they made it:
http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_XIII-2#Development
>>335867253
So did the subseries to FF10 and FF7
FF10-2: 3.4 million
FF10 HD: 1.6 million
FF7 Crisis Core: 2.57 million
FF7 Advent Children: 2.6 million + ticket sales
FF7 Dirge of Cerberus: 1.2 million
Hell, FF10-2 has practically the same name as FF13-2 and yet they sold practically just as much
FF13-2: 3.1 million
FF13-LR: 1.4 million
Rating all the main numbered FF games I played.
5 > 9 > 6 > 4 > 10 > 7 > 3 (On NES only) > 1 > 12 > 2 > 8 > 13 > 3 (On everything else)
>>335866131
it also has the highest amount of returns in the franchise and square enix makes fun of it whenever its brought up
>>335867459
13-2 and 13-3 aren't sub-series they're direct sequels
>>335867459
>You really didn't read WHY they made it:
Oh, it's because Nomura and some of guy begged for it. The cut content could've been reskinned into another game.
>>335867905
>it also has the highest amount of returns in the franchise
Where is your proof? Why should I believe this if the franchise never says anything about that.
>square enix makes fun of it whenever its brought up
And now I know you are bullshitting because I have never seen them once say anything remotely like it.
>>335868001
Yes they are, on the wikipedia (both), they are catagorized under 'Final Fantasy spinoff' and aren't part of the number title. Go ahead and look
>>335868029
Read the development cycle of FF13-2 (first two paragraphs) and you see the entire truth.
>>335868158
>wikipedia
its a poorly moderated website that anyone can edit
>>335868260
But it's not even close to being part of the main entries.
That's why it was a HUGE deal when Final Fantasy Versus XIII became Final Fantasy XV. The game gained number title status, was given a bigger budget, bigger attention, more work was put into it and has more riding on it.
That's why it was so bad when FF14 original bombed badly. It was so insultingly bad it damaged the franchise.
>>335868158
>(first two paragraphs)
I literally did. That's what I was commenting on. Nomura and Toriyama wanted to make 13-2 and Square let them. It's pretty simple.
>>335849054
FF9, no full customization till end of disc 3, can't pick your party for a majority of the game either. Chocobo hot and cold doesn't wrap up till end of disc 3 either, when there is only ten hours of game left.
Couldn't bring myself to finish my last game, zidane/freya/quina clearly best team, max damage for almost zero MP. How is this fun again?
>>335868158
>And now I know you are bullshitting because I have never seen them once say anything remotely like it.
look at the 15 event
>Where is your proof? Why should I believe this if the franchise never says anything about that.
major retailers said that it was being returned in droves
>>335868470
No, they asked the company if it was alright to make it, then they asked fans if they were willing to buy it and then people said yes on both ends. Why do you think that's not what happened?
>>335868529
When did they say that? They never said anything like it. Sagaguchi was referring to how FF series got off the rails due to FF14 1.0 which the company damaged the franchise.
>major retailers said that it was being returned in droves
Again, where is your proof? Anybody can lie on the internet. You need proof to back it up.
>>335868818
no one likes 13 anon, cant you just accept it?
>>335868818
I don't think that's not what happened, you're just being needlessly semantic about it.
>Can we make this game?
>Sure
>Would you guys buy this game?
>Sure
What's your point?
>>335869020
>I have provided no proof the my statement
>Therefore nobody liked it
Yeah, no. That's not how it works
>>335869063
But that is what happened. That's why FF13-2 sold almost as well as FF10-2.
>>335869203
do you remember the time when everyone was saying that jrpgs were dead?
FF8 had the best OST out of all the FFs and if you say otherwise, listen to the following and then fucking try to prove me wrong
Protip - you cant
http://youtu.be/RVkcmx2l3WA
>>335869417
But that statement is no different form the 'BTFO PC fans" or "Microsoft is dead" statements.
It's just fan fluster.
When did this turn into /biz/?
>>335869428
>he's probably serious
haha
>>335869203
>But that is what happened.
I never said it didn't. I what I DO think is that it's not so much people wanted more FF13, but that they wanted more FF. I'm sure there are people who love 13 to death. That doesn't change the fact it's not a very good game.
I don't think I've ever heard anyone complain about FF8 being too hard.
>>335869539
when they said that, what game did they bring up most often?
>>335858631
Only reasonable list so far
12 > 9 > X > 8 >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything else
>>335869203
You keep using the same argument over and over. That it sold well and has a lot of fans, and because other titles in the series were well received by fans that it's the exact same deal.
Correlation does not equal causation. FF13 is one of the more polarizing entries in an already polarizing frelanchise where the fans are regularly at each others throats over which game is the best. Only entries like FF2 and spinoffs are largely regarded as inferior by the most of the fanbase.
You can find any number of people over the years since the game first came out that highlight how fucking rediculous the whole thing is. From being primarily a hallway simulator, to Cutscenes: The Game, the largely annoying cast of characters, the lack of typical themes and gameplay concepts usually found in the series overall like exploration and shops and towns etc.
I'm not saying FF13 didn't do well or doesn't have fans for good reasons, but it is the game with the most questionable design choices that combine some of the WORSE decisions in the series into one fucking game. All it needed was the Draw system and FF9s customization to be a complete clusterfuck.
The good parts of FF13 just usually don't make up for the rest of the shit for a large number of people.
>>335869702
that list is terrible
>>335869781
>you keep using the same argument over and over
>googles aspergers
>???
>profit
FFT > FF5 > FF8 > FF9 > cloud of mediocrity > FF2
>>335870024
why would you 8 and 9 that high up
>>335870024
Ya know what, this works.
