Give me one good reason I shouldn't play a character with:
>Kill strings
>Zero to death combos
>2 spikes
>the ability to fair your opponent off the screen
>taunts you can cancel
She is so much fucking fun to play.
>>333392531
Because you're a faggot who seeks approval from /v/, but other than that keep playing as her. Also god damm her stage has amazing music
>>333392531
Too bad she's annoying as hell to fight.
She's extremely unfun to play against. I like fighting Ryus and Clouds because their easy to understand, and everyone has a unique way of playing them. Bayonetta is the most irritating piece of shit to fight, even when the person playing as Bayonetta is playing poorly, shit like Witch time and that awful aerial ''press this button repeatedly to win'' combo just waste time. They're not even that effective, they just fucking keep you in one place for ages, making everything so tedious.
I was looking forward to seeing Bayonetta get into Smash, but she's so fucking unbearable.
>Give me one good reason I shouldn't play a character
Understand this, OP. You play what you want to play. You know what type of person complains about what their oponnent is using? The kind that loses and can't get over it.
>>333392531
Play who you want, but if Japan's competitive scene goes through with banning her, expect her to get nerfed to hell since Sakurai and the dev team actually listens to them a bit.
>>333392531
You are the reason the community is so toxic.
>>333392531
Corrin is better.
http://oddshot.tv/shot/vgbootcamp-2016040624042494
>tr4sh
>>333393053
B-bu-but it's fun anon. She is legitimately fun to use.
>>333392864
I try to actually use Bayonetta smartly, I haven't seen a single FG scrub use her properly.
>>333393010
>They're actually legitimately considering this
Bayonetta hasn't won a single Major yet and is nothing compared to how Sheik and Diddy were before their respective nerfs.
>>333393010
Not to mention all the complaints about her from nearly all facets of the community, from competitive players to thr most casual ones. Expect her to get hit.
She's the best, glad she's wrecking shit and making autist players soil their diapers in anger.
>>333393184
this
nobody on FG has any idea how to use her recovery
>>333393178
>memelee
>>333393204
>>333393260
Hey
This fuck >>333393010 is baiting you.
Japan isn't considering banning her, it's Spain.
The smash community in Spain just banned Bayonetta, and exactly how many majors has she won?
>>333393402
Spain already banned her.
>>333393402
I knew it was somewhere, but it doesn't change my point.
>>333393416
None.
>>333393380
>>333393260
>http://oddshot.tv/shot/vgbootcamp-2016040624042494
I'm well aware of this.
But I'm pretty sure many other Up-B's would have killed with that much rage and no DI
>Samus
>marios
>ZSS
>>333393509
>Muh content
>The lack of single player content is actually one of the biggest issues with the game
>Melee had much better content
I don't hate what you're doing, I hate that you're sloppy.
>>333393714
Nigga I didn't make the picture, I had it saved from a while ago
OP here, legit question for the thread.
Do you really think when she get's nerfed she will be easy to play against?
Her design is basically a top-tiers design.
>5 or 6 launchers
>Her normals can combo into her specials
>combos designed to carry people into the blast zone
>Can act out of her up B
>can cancel her neutral b and charge it for more knockback.
>witch time
Even if she's nerfed she's still going to be top 10.
>>333393869
Has it even been confirmed any more patches are coming, hasn't the team packed up and moved on?
Either way, the nerf that should be implemented should be increasing the landing lag on her combos dramatically, as was originally planned. No idea why it's so short considering it's stated in the direct, longer the combo, longer the endlag.
>>333393869
The only thing about her that's actually bullshit is witch time. If placed right, it's a free stock
>>333393869
At worst if she gets nerfed she'll be like ryu in the sense that if someone fully knows how to play as her then she'll have options out the ass, so no nothing really to worry about
>>333393123
That's heinous
>>333394174
ZSS, Samus, or Mario could of done that a well.
>>333393509
>getting more shit to do for your money is bad
Jesus christ, that image is the most autistic insult to video games in general. If people like more variety, then fucking let them. There is no elitist mindset to push here, it's literally the most bare bones common sense way to think. Melee is superior ONLY in the technical/meta side. Sm4sh is better in every way bar that.
>>333393714
Other than Adventure Mode, Break the Targets, and Classic Trophies, Smash 4 has everything Melee had plus more. That's objectively incorrect.
>>333394268
I said better content, not more.
Classic mode is the worst in the series for example, and Special Orders is just an arbitrary way to unlock things.
>>333394253
>14%
>one up air at about middle height of the stage
>KO
No, they couldn't have done that.
>>333394101
>No idea why it's so short considering it's stated in the direct, longer the combo, longer the endlag.
Because she can act out of her combos even when they are dropped.
I could be near the top of the ceiling and you would of most likely have fallen or be falling to the platform before you could punish me.Smart players actually save their jump and attack a Bayonetta in air if she drop her kill combo.
>>333394138
That is the one thing that is most likely not going to change any further.
Yes witch-time is great, but it still isn't what makes her extremely lethal. It makes scrubs on FG lethal.
>>333394138
Her skill gap is still at the level where you need to put time into learning her combos to perform kill strings.
Noobs can do well with her because of witch-time really. Without it they are fucked.
>>333394592
>no they couldn't of done that.
Up b really isn't even that powerful. It was his positioning and his lack of DI. he got hit by last hitbox of the UP-B and didn't get caught into it.
He basically just got pushed up. They could have done that.
And rosalina without a doubt could have done that with her up air.
>>333393869
They could increase the startup on Witch Twist.
>>333394268
>What is blatant sarcasm
>>333394978
that would ruin her design. Because witch-twist is supposed to combo into after burner or witch-twist.
More start up means no more strings.
They could increase it on the ground though.
Do you all seriously go to tournaments?
If not, just play whoever the fuck you feel like, and if you are really good with one character and want to go to tournaments, so be it.
>>333395874
The Community College Anime Club Tournament is a white collar event and I will not look like a fool using a banned character.
>>333393518
Yeah, that happened in fact in a mario vs sonic, I don't remember what tournament it was, but it was hilarious, the sonic got hit with like yhe last hitbox of up B, and died by a star ko at 0%.
>>333393476
>>333393416
no they didn't
Because those things aren't supposed to be in the game, absent every other character not having similar tools.
>>333397160
The fact they they even considered it is bad enough. Get fucking good, holy shit. Do you plebs even know what DI is?
>>333397434
>what is a unique playstyle with a unique moveset
You sound like a lame dude.
>>333393204
The only reason she didn't win Pound is because all the top players are softbanning her.
>>333397792
There's a massive difference between a softban and a complete national scene ban though.
>>333397920
>>333397792
Pink Fresh attended Pound and played Bayonetta so clearly the "softban" you're talking about doesn't mean shit.
>>333396408
Wow, Bayonetta looks so much better with a normal sized head
>Bayonetta is supposed to be bad in neutral
>Witch twist damn near untradeable
>Several moves approaching Snake tier disjoints
I know you're supposed to out camp this character, but it's really hard when she cuts through your buttons like butter. Nerf her fucking hitboxes.
>tournys allow p2w heros
>dont allow customs even though they're free and do they same thing as DLC characters.
The average smash 4 player thinks mang0 is white.
Think about that for a second.
>>333398939
The average melee player thinks M2K is white.
They never realized that he's 100% Raw nigga.
>>333398451
Pink Fresh ain't shit.
>>333397526
yes they do, most top players still get hit by her bs combos.
>>333392531
Rosalina, the actual best character in the game right now counters her.
If you think it's unfun to fight against Bayo, try playing Bayo against a good Rosa.
so will usa ever win smash 4 majors or are they still free?
>>333400505
>Dabuz and Nairo got knocked out of a tournament where they both went Bayonetta
>Nairo lost Bayo dittos to Salem
>Dabuz lost to Vex using DK
>A fucking DK
>Tournament was taken by Marss playing ZSS
These combos sure are working flawlessly in top level play.
>>333400969
oh wow, that was like a week after the character was released.
and a Bayo still made top 2 despite that.
never happened with previous dlc characters
>>333401149
and her results have gotten worse since then
this proves that she is an easy to learn top tier character but people are slowly figuring out how to deal with her
>>333401149
>what is cloud
>>333401546
except komo and 9B pretty much dominate most of Japan with her
>>333398856
>customs
>allowing something that can only be unlocked via rng
miis and the goddess waifu are the only characters who have an excuse
>>333393869
She's been slightly nerfed once, she will totally get nerfed again.
>>333401650
except both komo and 9b were already top players in japan
watch how 9b deal with overseas players like dabuz
protip: he doesn't
>>333401650
Japan was dominated by a villager for a long ass fucking time.
And I don't believe Komo and 9B have attended a tournament with Ranai or Aba yet.
>tfw you learn how to bat within properly
>can bat within falcon punches, wizard punches, marth's tipper, samus projectiles, etc
>if you get your timing down exactly you can even fucking bat within jabs, falcon's knee or luigi's up-b
It's kind of insane.
>>333402070
9B has 3-0d Ranai with Bayo
>>333402189
Link to bracket?
>>333402269
it was from Shots Fired 2
>>333400505
Did you know you can bat within or counter out of her combo?
Did you also know you can fucking witch time bayonetta when you're in witch time?
>>333393869
>horrendous start and end lag on her smashes
>easy as fuck to gimp
>no kill throws
>if you can't get proper reads or land a witch time, she has no kill options besides the flowchart bullshit everyone does online already
Also witch time got nerfed to shit.
You can only use it once a stock now, twice if you're fast enough
>>333402442
>easy to gimp
except for the fact that she can use Up-B twice offstage
>no kill throws
F-throw
>>333402326
>Look up bracket
>9b was 3-0d by M2k
>>333402105
Please teach me
>>333392531
Do it faggot, play her.
I play Ness/Lucas, I love when people shit on me for Ness's b-throw or get annoyed being juggled by pk thunders. Play whoever and ignore others.
>>333403394
Harder said than done.
Especially since the new patch decreased the window of time you have for it now.
Start out in training mode, and decrease the speed to half. When the AI gets ready to attack, you need to spot dodge or roll at the LAST POSSIBLE SECOND.
it helps if you think about how she plays in bayonetta 1.
I always use it as a way to fuck with people when they start a match and go for a dash attack. It's a great way to get in people's heads. She even taunts when it's pulled off correctly.
The bad thing about bat within. If you do it off stage, there's a good chance you'll get teleported to under the stage.
It all boils down to knowing if someone is going for a read, and spot dodging at the last second. If you do it too fast, it's just a normal spot dodge. Too slow, and you get hit. It's tedious as fuck to learn but holy shit it's great for dealing with for glory flow chart assholes.
>>333402579
>F-throw
Not that anon, but I would barely call it a kill throw, just because is one of the few options of Bayonetta to kill, doesn't make it a good throw, I mean, you get to kill with it at like 150% and you must be at the edge of the platform, that's like saying marth up throw is a kill throw because you can kill with it at 150-160%.
>>333393869
This, really. Her whole design goes around the easy combo strings she able to do, much the way she can in her actual games. Nerfing her ability to perform her combos basically removes her entire identity as a smash character.
If anything, the could give her specials the ability to angle and give her attacks more SDI'ability to make her combos actually have to read opponent's DI and SDI mid-combo, rather than just at the start. Think of it like a ZSS player angling her boost kick to to catch inward or outward SDI.
Also, don't give her f*cking intangibility while activating Witch Time. It's stupid as hell that you can't counter a counter with a grab because she cannot be touched while she's in the counter frames.
>>333405194
Lucas's up throw kills at an average of 140% (Jiggles at around 120 and Bowser not up to like 180%), but it's still considered a kill throw. If the throw kills, it's around kill throw.
>>333405440
You can jab her right out of witch time if you can get the move out before she hits you
It's happened to me plenty of times because I thought I could just waltz up and land a kill move since they were stuck
Also,
>f*cking
>>333405785
Well you can do anything if you get the move out before she hits you. That's not the point here. The point is Witch Time (which can be the start of a 0-death against anyone in the cast) is a counter that doesn't have the exploitable weakness every other counter in the game has, which is already stupid enough to begin with, but then you have to consider the character it's on.
It's like Sheik's up b pre-patch making down throw a true 50/50 because you didn't even have the option to challenge it because Sheik becomes intangible about halfway before she explodes.
>>333392864
This
I voted for Bayonetta and now I regret it
>>333392531
Because if you live in Spain, you won't be allowed to play her.
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2016/04/competitive_super_smash_bros_scene_in_spain_prepares_to_ban_bayonetta
>>333405704
>If the throw kills, it's around kill throw.
Well of course, but that's why I said "barely", it still not a good throw, you can kill with falco up throw at 190% if not more, that would make it a kill throw, but a bad one.
>>333392531
Don't join tournies if you plan on maiming her. People tend to think she carries people and you'll probably be disrespected for winning with her.
>>333402105
lol the zipper kinda looked like a clit piercing for a second.
>>333405194
You're also talking about a character that can deal a third of that damage in one combo. WITHOUT Witch Time.
>>333406608
Oh no! Not the disrespect!
>Decrease horizontal hitbox of witch twist so it takes more precision to connect and knockback growth benefits the victim
>slightly increase side B's endlag so the punishes can be painful, thus encouraging smart play and not spam
>decrease weight so she dies earlier, aiming for more of a glass cannon that brings the hurt but gets destroyed if she fucks up
There.
>>333392864
>>333406407
Honestly, I'm probably gonna get some flack for this, but I never really liked the idea of Bayonetta in Smash to begin with.
I just think she sticks out like a sore thumb in comparison to the rest of the third parties in Smash. Metal Gear, Sonic the Hedgehog, Mega Man, Pac-Man, Street Fighter and Final Fantasy are all gaming royalty, some of the most famous the industry has ever seen. Considering Smash Bros. is predominately about Nintendo's characters, I do think third parties should be a big enough deal in the gaming world to warrant "invading" the game.
I never saw Bayonetta on the same level as those games. It's just two niche games that came from a niche developer.
>>333407350
But if someone's spamming a move, then shouldn't it be easier to adapt and counter it?
>>333407454
That's why it wasn't Sora's decision.
>>333406926
Still isn't a very good throw tho, that just makes it one of her reliable ways to kill.
>Just saw a Smash 4 Bayo thread
>Expected to see ara ara cougar Bayo
You disappoint me, anon.
>>333407625
It's actually pretty damn good. Even if it doesn't kill, like Dark Pit's Side B, just using it to get an opponent off stage is incredibly beneficial.
