ITT: Games /v/ hates only because their popularity.
>actually enjoy Skyrim
>have close to 170 or so mods that I have installed minimum any time I play, including a mod that re-implements classes, birthsigns, and racial perks
>game is so shit that having too many texture mods results in everlong saves, random CTDs upon changing cells, and endless save corruptions
>despite there being loads of fixes within SKSE and ENBboost to help address these issues, there is still no true workaround for any of these, and the only thing you can do is either not install any texture mods, or cope with having to CTRL ALT DEL and close the game every other load screen, or restart the game every 10 minutes while exploring, while F5'ing like a mad man.
Fucking sucks. As shit as SKyrim is, with mods it's actually enjoyable, but you can't enjoy it because it buckles under the weight of any significant amount of mods.
It's not really about the popularity, what ruins skyrim is...Well, almost everything. it's just so dumbed down compared to even Oblivion and morrowind. The only two good things I can say is the combat is improved (though it still sucks) and some of the dungeons are really amazing to traverse. Try as I might, it's hard to find any other redeeming factors. Even the guild quests were terribly dull.
>>323446061
no game is made to handle hundred or thousands of third party files and plugins to load every 10 minutes.
>>323446061
There was a very lengthy project going on that was trying to do a overhaul pack like for Oblivion and Morrowind, but even through all the tuning and fixes they applied to the base game, it still couldn't mend all the crashes and issues that come up after mods begin being added in.
Not sure if any progress has been made, honestly. It moved pretty quick and then just slowed to a crawl.
Obligatory.
>>323446061
>170 mods
I've seen people with 250 or so over on /tesg/ on /vg/.
I use just under 70 or so, and my game is hardly stable. I can't even imagine how unstable their games are.
Then again, it's /tesg/ and they mostly just post their waifus and shit. I only ever pop in for the links to find new mods or fixes.
>>323445523ftfy
>>323446401
>It moved pretty quick and then just slowed to a crawl
Sounds like every mod ever.
>>323446061
you have too many script heavy mods installed
>>323446478
Overrated is the term for that one.
Skyrim is plain bad.
>>323446367
Morrowind Overhaul 3 has well over 100 mods packed into it, and runs perfectly fine, with the occasional dirty hiccup here or there, but it's otherwise very clean.
Skyrim was just such a huge mess programming-wise that from the day it launched to the day the last patch was sent out, the community had to help apply endless fixes and engine workarounds for things that were done very haphazardly.
It's impressive the game was even released. One modder I knew said it was like looking at something running on nothing but duct tape and sticks, with tons of dirt and grime clogging everything up.
They don't even clean their own game file sFFS. People have to do it themselves through TES5edit, and the amount of things that get cleansed out is astonishing.
>>323446642
OPENMW WHEN
>>323445523
The game is pretty shitty overall. Boring empty world, boring NPCs, boring quests, boring leveling system, boring towns, boring landscapes, boring everything. It might not be "literally 0/10" but it is still below mediocre. Skyrim popularity only partially influenced my opinion, I played the game half a year after release and I remember thinking to myself "this is supposed to be GOTY?", and at the time I was a pleb that was impressed by Assassins Creed 2.
I downloaded a pre-moded version recently with 250+ mods including porn content and while it makes the game a little bit more interesting at it's core the game remains deeply flawed, no mod can fix that terrible combat for example.
>>323446747
Damn. Guess I'll have to go through my SkyUI menu and figure out what I should prune out.
It's tough, the most script heavy things I can think of are
>Immersive Armors
>Skyrim Immersive Creatures
>Character Creation Overhual (Mandatory for me)
>Odinator
>Vampire and Werewolf overhauls (I can probably remove)
>Duel (mandatory)
>Organised Bandits (can probably remove, but busts your save and causes headless T corpses to roam around bandit areas)
>Follower Framework (can probably remove, don't use followers)
Rest is just lots and lots of texture replacement packs and weapon / armor overhauls. Most are at 1k too because there's no reason to have shitloads of 2k / 4k textures fucking everywhere.
>>323447374
Check out this weaboo with his shitty opinions.
Don't even bother with those hd textures mods, they still look like crap close up in game
>>323447537
Check out this westacuk with his shit taste.
>>323447374
>what is Requiem or Duel
Skyrim might be shit, but your opinion is shittier, invalidated further by your animu avatar pic, so away with you.
>>323445523
Skyrim is breddy gud because it's pretty much like a modular build-a-rpg game. The vanilla is awful though. I'd reckon it could actually be great if papyrus wasn't so shit, as a lot of fun mods are extremely script heavy - Hunterborn, Frostfall, Civil War etc. Currently I just run Ultimate Combat and Combat Evolved over about 150 immersive and lewd mods.
>>323447736
It's one thing to play japanese games.
It's another to post ugly kawaii uguu~ anime shit where it doesn't belong.
>>323447681
>download the 2k texture mod with parallax
>parallax is so bad that everything using it just looks like a big fucking pitted mush of shit
Was pretty pissed off when my Skyrim 2k texture pack upgraded to using parallax with no options without it. It looks so fucking bad.
>>323445523
It has a lot of good things about it but at the same time it's the least immersive rpg I have ever played. Everything is forced, unnatural and there is no option for a player to feel like it's a lived in world. So yeah, even though it has a lot going for it it fails at what was supposed to be its main strength.
>>323447482
I would try disabling the ones you could live without, start a new game, and see how much faster it runs. I used to load up on tons of mods like that, and would constantly be forcing the game to close because every other load screen would be infinite.
Also, disable some large texture mods (usually environment ones) and see if that doesn't speed things up. If so, just find a different lite version without all the crazy sizes and resolutions. Even the default high res packs Bethesda included cause issues.
>>323446061
If you're using Skyrim 2k, remove it.
I had the same problem until I got rid of that mod.
The parallax is ugly as fuck anyways.
>move towards door
>texture is moving with me because the parallax mapping is so bad
>enter dungeon
>walk around pillar
>texture crawls up and down the pillar as I rotate it because parallax mapping is so bad
Not worth it.
I gave this game a lot of shit and then went back and replayed morrowind and realized just how much I overlook all the quality of life changes the series underwent. I really just wish that they could bring back the depth of morrowind and the well crafted world along with the improvements.
>>323448401
I just want the stat, armor, weapons, guilds, general aesthetic and dialogue system from Morrowind back, with Skyrim's spell / leveling system.
>>323448401openmw soon anon
>>323448350
I used to have a performance texture pack I used that was the same resolution as the default textures, but much better.
Haven't been able to find it. Seems like it got taken down.
>>323448698
Other than the fact that you don't "roll" a character in Morrowind, the only incorrect statement in this image is the one saying that the dungeons are complex and interesting.
>>323448698
>You won't miss so much if you roll a better character.
This is true though. 9/10 shitters that play MW and then complain about missing are the ones who build a character, and either fail to assign a major specialization in any weapon, or use weapons they aren't specialized in.
If your skill with something is sub-40, you will miss. A lot.
>>323448593
But Skyrim spell system is shit.
>>323447878
Haha why because it triggers your bitch ass? I bet you make comments when people use anime reaction images as if you have anything but hot air to offer
>>323448937
Aside from not being able to build spells anymore, and the spells themselves being very thin in variety and not scaling properly with your Magicka and level, the system was a lot more interesting than Oblivion, and vastly more fun to play than MW.
>walking through the woods at night
>that GOAT soundtrack
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nrrpRoL-UY&ab_channel=Shaman221B
Skyrim is a pretty good comfy simulator.
What do you think of this?
>>323448350
Ever since modders figured out how to add parallax to texture packs, every Skyrim texture pack has been using it.
It's really annoying, and pretty difficult to find a texture pack that doesn't use it.
>>323449056
>Aside for being shit its more fun
>>323449283
I'm too stupid to get out of the initial dungeon so I'll never know.
I recently got back into Oblivion, and decided to mod it out and start a new fresh game.
Holy fuck. I forgot how tedious and easily game-breaking is was trying to mod this fragile turd.
>>323448698
Do you have that image for Fallout?
>>323449426
Says you.
>can DW spells
>can combine spells
>as shitty as the perks system is, adds in some nice perks like spell traps and etc
Only downside was Mysticism being removed along with everything in it, and Bethesda fucking up on spell power scaling.
>>323446061
I have 210 mods installed and graphics mods out the ass. It hardly ever crashes. People just don't understand mod compatibility, or know to stay away from certain mods like Warzones that will obviously make your game unstable. The major problem I have is that it stutters, which is unavoidable with HD textures and ENB. If you are still getting infinite loading, CTDs when changing cells (especially this), and save corruptions, even with ENBoost and Safety Load installed, then they are absolutely your fault and not the game's. I've been modding Bethesda games since 2006, modding Skyrim since it released, so I like to think I know what I'm talking about.
>>323448401
Pretty sure that's what everyone has wanted since Oblivion.
>>323446259
You literally said the two worst aspects of the game
>>323449652
These might be a bit much for you, but do you think you could share your mod list?
Mostly like to compare it to mine for the sake of seeing whats similar and what I should probably prune, and for the sake of stability.
I already clean my mods with TES5edit and use LOOT to manage my load order. I seem to just be having issues with CTDs and long as fuck load screens. My computer isn't even shit either.
Fucking this.
>>323449056
Not only you're disregarding a big fucking deal of stuff.
It was still annoying as all shit in exchange of absolutely nothing.
In the end nothing was gained because there wasn't any spell combinations that made something interesting, you just choose between having a spell doing shit damage and a heal/ward/weapon in the other hand or having both hands using the same spell.
>>323449652
What's your GPU?
The only way TES (shit, even Fallout) will get better is if Bethesda finally stops being lazy, and invests some of their gajillion jewbucks into a new more stable game engine.
>>323449283
Daggerfall is way too overlooked and is probably the glitchiest mess bethesda has ever released. Had a lot of fun with the game though. Getting the ebony dagger as a starter weapon made it ez mode.
>>323449652
>then they are absolutely your fault and not the game's
You were going so well...
>so I like to think I know what I'm talking about
>like to think
Skyrim/Fallout4 are messes. They've resued/editied so much of their net code that they can't fix bugs their own bugs anymore.
>>323449914
It was still a fresh take on spellcasting that could be a potential base for something much better.
What I'd like to see:
>enhancing weapons with spells
>actual illusion spells like decoy and etc
>mysticism to fucking return, with telekinesis and teleport spells returning
>enhancing armor with things like lightning spells to create proximity damage to enemies
>just creative shit in general that Bethesda seems too inept to even think of
>>323450112
>bethesda
>fix bugs even if they could
modders will do it without demanding a salary
Todd wins
>>323450232
It was clunky as shit, switching between spells became a mess and you couldn't even hold a weapon if you wanted your spells to not do shit damage (they did anyway).
>>323447790
Those stuff only polish the turd that is Skyrim's gameplay, it doesn't fix it
>>323449878
http://pastebin.com/FfeYL4c1
Mod list with names, I use LOOT as well.
>>323449947
GTX 970, i5 2500k. I can't remember what ENB I use because I installed it a while ago but I usually get 45+ FPS.
>>323450112
They are not messes compared to the older games. Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3, are messes. If you mod them, they crash all the fucking time, it's unavoidable. New Vegas was a mess on release but it was patched up to be very stable, which is why Tale of Two Wastelands exists which ports Fallout 3 to New Vegas' far more stable engine. Skyrim and Fallout 4 are also very stable, even more so than New Vegas. I have barely any stability issues with Skyrim that I didn't create. But my modded Morrowind crashes about an hour in every time because the game is fucking old and piling mods on it cripples performance. The games have come a long way in terms of stability. Also I played Fallout 4 about 35 hours before getting bored and it didn't crash once.
>>323445523
Eh, that game really didn't have much to it in my opinion. I'm only now playing dark souls and I can't believe this game wasn't goty
>>323450824
Thanks man. Appreciate it.
Might even just imitate your modlist and prune it to taste if it works good enough.
Been super anal about incompatibilities and what not with mine, but still seems to give me problems.
Daggerfall had the best spells
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he0IuJ3t0gU&feature=youtu.be
>>323445523
>Games /v/ hates only because their popularity despite being an awful game.
>>323450824
Yup, I figured as much.
You're not using any major scripting mods like I figured you weren't.
Guess I just need to prune my script mods and keep it down to Duel, CCO, and Ordinator.
>>323451253
what the fuck
>>323449902
It isn't good Bethesda fags forever on damage control
>>323446061
>As shit as SKyrim is, with mods it's actually enjoyable
no it isn't
>>323451253
At last, a game that allows me to be a dickass reality-bending mage.
>>323445523
>played vanilla
>was bored to tears
>wait a couple of years
>install 150+ mods
>still pretty weak but okay to waste time on and have a fap occasionally
>finally play the Dragonborn DLC
>actually have fun
what I don't get is how Bethesda saves their more bizarre scenarios for their DLC and makes their main games so drab. I think that's their forte, honestly.
>>323451864
Says you.
You can sit in this thread all day and refute people's points, but it doesn't make your opinion a fact.
>>323451253
literally GOAT. Games today without the ability to bend the world to my will is straight into the fucking trash.
Guys, why did we sacrifice stories for graphics?
[spoilers] How long before RPG elements is a thing of the past too?
>>323452018
unless you're playing it for wank material or a comfy simulator the game offers nothing of merit
>>323451986
Because they can't put the most interesting parts of their lore in the main game, normies will complain it's too fantastic and "gamey".
So have vikings and dragons.
>>323451864
I feel sorry for most of you. You can't even enjoy a game like Skyrim.
>>323452616
>I feel sorry for most of you. You can't even enjoy garbage
>>323451865
>dickass reality-bending mage
I have a new fetish
>>323452297
Did you not play Fallout 4? The RP part of RPG is almost completely gone.
>>323452616
Its trash compare to the other. Even the mod can't hide that..but still make the thing much more enjoyable.
I just cannot believe that they are living people on this earth that play skyrim or oblivion on a console with a controller.
>>323445523
Skyrim's a pretty mediocre game even with mods. The only advantage it has is cutemeowfus
>>323455052
how is it mediocre
>>323455150
How is it not?
>>323455150
Mediocre with mods, complete garbage without.
Boring ugly world, boring repetitive dungeons, shit mechanics, shit development thanks to memedate. The vanilla game is just a trainwreck and mods can only do so much.
>>323446478
>less than a million copies sold
>signalboosted only by a vocal minority of gamers
>pc exclusive
>popular
>>323455710
Dual wielding, random events, shouts, infinite quests
Giants, mamooths, perk system, disenchantment mechanics
That was all new for elder scrolls
This is what my game used to look like but I corrupted it and lost everything so now I have to start from scratch
I was using realvision as my enb, are there any better ones? It was giving me some quirks
>>323459115
Use Skylight ENB or the NLA type enb
