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I wouldn't go all the way to defend some of the things this game does, but holy fuck, it is not as bad as most people make it out to be. This game basically reminded me how cancerous the nostalgia babies are in the Final Fantasy community. How do we fix this fanbase?
>>323335918
i want to marry all the ff13 girls! OuO
In its defense it's not any more linear than X was before it. Same corridor-style environments and everything.
>>323335918
True. It really isn't as bad as people say.
I personally picked it up for dirt cheap couple years ago, despite having heard all sorts of shit about it.
The BEGINNING really didn't even try to prove all the bad claims about it wrong, but luckily, to my own surprise as well, the more I played, the more entertaining and hooking it became. It's not GOTYAY or best JRPG ever in any sense, but it's FAR from the "worst crap ever" -category. A solid 7/10 experience IMO.
The sequels fixed, expanded and improved many things, especially pacing and gameplay. Up to you whether you like the direction they went with the plot and cast, but they're not hideous either. I found especially LR to be total blast, easily my 2014's GOTY. The 13-2 was simply fun.
>How do we fix this fanbase?
Just as always: we don't.
>>323335918
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>>323335918
>holy fuck, it is not as bad as most people make it out to be
It sounds like the only thing you have to say about this game, as opposed to having positive criticisms, is that you're mad at other people. That tells me that it really is a trash game if even the people who like it can't say anything good about it.
>>323335918
Final Fantasy 13 is just the Metal Gear Solid 4 of Final Fantasy
>>323335918
bait thread?
I have never heard anyone say its a bad game just bad for FF standards
>>323335918
It had good graphics, plot isn't too bad as others state.
The bad about it were the characters and the combat system.
What made it irredeemable for me was how SHORT and EASY it was - I don't mind linear games at all, but give me some fucking content - that's what I play FF games for!
I 100%ed FFXIII (excluding getting 99x of every item) within a week, that pissed me off.
>>323336295
>bait thread?
Not at all.
>Final Fantasy
What standards? It's just as linear as any other game in the franchise, gameplay was innovative, and music was great.
>>323336286
FF13 is way better than MGS4 because MGS4 was basically focused on cutscenes and tried to explain every little thing till the story because a headache.
FF13 actually did what MGS5 did and push long winded exposition into the Datalog. This allowed for more focus on the combat and gameplay.
>>323336014
>only the girls
Literally everyone except Sazh is perfect.
>>323335918
>>323336097
>>323336165
Actually, this is probably one of the top three games in the series. The battle system is the natural evolution of the ATB mechanics, characters are deep and multi-layered as well as believably flawed, the story progress at a natural pace, the villains have complex motivations, and the theme is particularly Socratic in nature. The entire thing elevates itself beyond a game into a musing upon the very nature of free will and power itself. The very fact that plebeians could not understand the meaning is a mark in its favor.
>>323336601
See;
>>323336401
It being linear is not the mere reason, unless you listen to retards.
For me, it felt too easy and short by FF standards.
>>323336658
I actually agree with you, but you can imagine dozens of "diehard fans" crying bloody tears now.
The sad thing is, there are nowadays people who hate anything FFXIII related, just because it's FFXIII related.
>>323336737
Not as easy as XIII-2 was. XIII caps your level progress at multiple parts of the game, so that it doesn't become a breeze.
>>323337118
And I didn't like that about FFXIII-2 either.
I finished the story in about 4 days, the rest of the content took me 3.
>>323336658
Toriyama pls go
>>323337118
There's still spots you can max the crystals at, especially once you hit Gran Pulse.
It's also easy to max your cash.
>>323337223
Yeah, XIII-2 was just too easy. It does a great job at addressing XIII's shit pacing, but the lack of level capping ruined it for me.
>>323337224
Unable to refute my points? I thought so.
Bravely Default is the best FF game since FF13 tbhfam
>>323337451
Well, I was referring to FFXIII with that timing.
FFXIII-2 only took me half a week.
Whereas other games in the series take months of your time - unless you go full speedrun or something, which I don't - I try to finish all the content, but the recent games have been casualized a bit.
>>323337574
I've been playing XIII lately. So far I have fifty hours clocked in, and most of the hunt missions contributed toward it. I beat Orphan not too long ago and have a couple of more missions to finish.
>>323337880
Hm?
This was my 3rd FF i played, and i have to say It's not the worse game ever, it's just disappointing. Characters were boring or annoying, the inclusion of the mythology into the plot was messy, and the clinax was strange in a bad way. Music and the final boss design was great.
That said XIII-2 fixed nearly all the problems of XIII and is a great game overall. Also Goddess Lightning is best costume and Caius is /fa/ as hell
>>323336658
I actually agree with you, except it's not top 3 in any way. It reeks of unfinished, all you ever did was combat. But the potential was all there, but if it's not fun to play it's a shitty game regardless of story
>>323338034
>it reeks of unfinished
I've played a lot of unfinished games, and XIII didn't feel like any of them.
>>323338034
it was definetly not unfinished.
If anything, they were trying to be consequent to the story. You are on the run - that is why you are buying everything from black market internet and the game is linear because you are supposed to feel like you only have 13 days figure it all out.
I'm going to marry Vanille!
>>323335918
I like the games, a lot - though I like XIII-2 and XIII-3 for everything FFXIII lacked, towns and sidequests.
I get what they were doing with the first game, but Final Fantasy to me isn't just combat and cutscenes, it's running around and micromanaging my inventories, grinding, talking to NPCs and shit.
It's mediocre as fuck.
>>323336401
Did you really do everything in Gran Pulse? I find most of that stuff pretty hard.
>>323338034
Combat was great. I appreciate the switch over to a more commander role.
I liked FFXIII but I would never replay that game.
>>323335918
Serah gives me a huge boner.
>>323336658
>top 3 in the series
Let's not get carried away now
Why is everyone so disgustingly skinny? I mean, I'm all for body shaming, but Anorexia ain't got shit on these people. They look like fucking chemo patients.
>>323335918
I agree OP, I agree. But as for the fan base there's not much that can be done, I'm afraid.
>>323339114
>>323339524
Dev interviews are always talking about things that were cut from the game, and how there wasn't a unified vision when the game was in development (the culminating of that is probably the existence of Versus). For example Lightning was not originally supposed to be the main character
>>323340774
Thats healthy weight you fat fuck
>>323340107
Yes, all hunts, Titan's challenge - all of it, had all the trophies on the PS3 for it.
Protip - you know that spot where the Dragon and wolf(?) are fighting? That's a levelling spot that can max out the crystarium within a few hours.
If you're lower level, you focus the Dragon and let the wolf damage it a bit, or do it when you're high enough level to - I did it in Chapter 11 when you first get to Grand Pulse and maxed all my chars out.
>>323340640
It's the complete package. I'm not afraid to say it's in my top 5 for favorite game.
>>323341219
I need to find that spot you're talking about. I killed Orphan a couple of hours ago, and I'd like to max out the main crystarium roles.
are you all baiting?
>lesbians have the power to destroy the world
>use it to save the world
YURI STRONK
>>323340774
That's the skin textures, not their weight. FF7 will be the same thing, everyone will be anorexic. I actually think it's cool
>>323340774
Sazh and Snow look healthy, the rest are athletic women, Hope is a child
Since this is ff13 thread.
How do I defeat Caius in LR? His bahamut shot do 5k damage. I cannot avoid it.
>>323341262
Yea, you're obviously 15 years old as well
>>323341479
If you think Caius is hard (not trying to come off as if he wasn't), you're in for a special treat with the last boss fight.
>>323336650
>Snow
>Hope
>perfect
Nope.
>>323340774
What?
Look at Snow, he's fucking huge
>>323341440
No, dude. Look at their fucking arms and legs. It's sick.
>>323341467
Snow is OK, you don't see much of Sazh. Athletic? They have NOTHING on them. Women, especially in the military, normally have weight. They are all fucking stick figures. Hope looks like he was starved.
>>323341410
This represents the 'main area' of Gran Pulse, the plains.
It's been a while, but I recall they're around here on the map, it's a Behemoth and a White wolf fighting, near an exit to a passage where you advanced the plot into Chapter 12/13?
Hope this helps, I apologize for my awful paint skills.
>>323341556
I'm sorry if I appreciate a more mature game, anon. That's my cross and I will bear it proudly.
So I just started playing XIII-2. Should try and max all six roles with both characters or have them specialize in three like in XIII?
>>323341479
perfect guard it
>>323341679
He's not hard hard. I can beat him if I avoid the bahamut shot. I have to use a potion everytime he use the attack.
>>323341867
Snow is the perfect bara
2mt. Tall and 100kg of muscles
Hope is the perfect shota
Cute, short, shiny hair and will grow into a 10/10 bishie
>>323342040
Riiiight, I know where that is. Thanks.
>>323335918
My major complaint with it is that they restrict summoning WAY too much while it's not even that powerful and the first 25 hours are literally a fucking tutorial.
They could have fleshed out the world more but it's not a bad game at all.
>>323342078
Regardless of what choose to do, the game gets really easy.
>>323342040
>>323342261
Jesus Christ what a bad map
It's actually in the upper left area before the tunnel that leads into the caves on a slope that goes up
>>323336097
You could go back to old areas in FFX. That adds a lot to the game.
>>323335918
maybe it's not that bad, but when it takes them like 6 years to make a corridor simulator there's a problem. not to mention XII being a massive disappointment.
>play FFXIII on 360 ages ago
>moderately enjoy it
>buy FFXIII-2 ages ago
>moderately enjoy it although disappointed it doesn't end
>sell 360 because I fucking hate consoles and I have a gaming PC already
>decide to re-buy FFXIII and FFXIII-2 on Steam so I can replay them
>get bored after 10 hours in each game because "fuck it I've already played these"
>FFXIII:LR comes out on PC
>buy it, hype as fuck so I can finish the trilogy
>story is weird as fuck
>gameplay mechanic is super weird
>time constraints give me anxiety and I can't keep playing it since I'm too afraid to fuck things up or miss things
>only have 5 hours clocked into the game
>haven't touched it in months
Fuck me
>>323341970
They look fine for their stature.
>>323342845
where do i subscribe?
>FF13 is a good game
kek, time to quit vidya as a hobby guys because you've sunk so low you can't even tell what's bad and good anymore
>>323343005
I have my own subreddit, I have sent you a PM with the link if you want to know more ;)
>>323341418
No, this is 2016. there are people on /v/ who were born in 1998 and and played FF13 when they were 12. this is the reality of our lives
>>323342806
>XII
>Massive disappointment
Story wise, I agree. Gameplay wise, your opinion goes straight into the trash.
Lightning has huge feet. Like disgustingly large. Like Kingdom Hearts comical large.
>>323342886
No they don't. They look like fucking Africans.
>>323335918
let me illustrate my problems with this game.
>>323342740
Upper Right actually from that perspective.
>>323343315
Every other FF is linear, anon.
I honestly expected a lot more images in this thread.
>>323340327
This
>>323343438
11,12,14,15 linear
good one
>>323343438
straight up lying on a chinese checkers image forum.
>>323343438
The problem is the previous games hide it well while still letting you go back to previous areas plus optional locations.
the only good thing about FF is triple triad
>>323343616
>two MMOs
>an unreleased game
>a single player MMO
thanks for proving his point
>>323335918
Final Fantasy fans are the Star Wars fans of video games.
>>323343934
>says every ff is linear
>is proven wrong
>"b-b-but those games are thing!!!"
thanks for being that guy
>>323343934
6 7 8 and 9 all have open worlds where you can choose to go anywhere.
>>323343035
I've been replaying a bunch of ff games recently and xiii is better than most
As of now it's better than x, viii, vi, i, type 0, dissidia, and on par with vii
And vii has sentimental and heavy nostalgic value for me
>replaying ffvii
>get to first jenova battle
>OH SHIT
>J-E-N-O-V-A starts
>goosebumps intensify
>purposefully drag out the battle just to listen to it more
And I managed to drag out the final OWA battle for 30 minutes just to listen to OWA
Is anyone else here playing the FFs in order? I just finished pic related and had a blast with it. Will start IX in a week or two.
>>323336658
>characters are deep and multi-layered
>the story progress at a natural pace
>the villains have complex motivations
hahahahahahaa
>>323344439
Prepare fordisappointment
>>323344194
I'm not disagreeing, I'm just saying that using two MMOs, a shitty false MMO and an unreleased game as arguments is not a good way to do it. As you said, other older FFs were much less linear (or at least made it look more open)
>>323344439
If you had a blast with VIII then you won't mind any of the other trashy games they made that came after it.
>>323343179
I really liked FFXII's battle system, but I can still never forgive it for
>Quickenings triple your MP bar (but they never tell you this)
>Infeasible to main a mage
>>323344556
Fuck you nigger, FFIX is the best one in the series
>>323335918
>it is not as bad as most people make it out to be.
That's an easy enough statement and arguably true, but at its core it was a really shallow experience with one of the lowest-tier casts in the franchise (Sazh was a decent character, Fang and Lightning were tolerable, the rest were obnoxious, stock characters). Its strengths are shallow ones: the graphics, soundtrack and animations. Otherwise an awkward, hamfisted narrative revealing a very unengaging plot.Combat is decently fun so long as you avoid the Auto Battle button
>>323344492
And yet I'm not wrong.
>>323345107
look at this guy go
>>323345149
And yet you follow
I love Serah!
>>323344664
And yet it still proved its point. Doesn't matter if you like those games or not
>>323345253
Serah?
SERAH!
>>323344439
VIII remake when?
I want a remake made with graphics looking like the CGI from 1999
>>323335918
Thing is, there is no single FF fanbase. There are like 10 FF fanbases and all of them demand something different.
>>323336658
>characters are deep and multi-layered as well as believably flawed
Characters are almost completely stock archetypes that do nothing new. Hope adds nothing to the coming-of-age archetype. Snow adds nothing to the idealistic hero archetype. Vanille adds nothing to the genki girl archetype. Lightning adds nothing to the hedgehog's dilemma archetype. Only Sazh and Fang are tolerable but even then they're not deep characters.
>>323345738
You are clearly incapable of understanding the Socratic undertones.
>>323345347
>Troy Baker will never scream your name in desperation
FF13 has one of the best OST's in any game i've played. I liked the different environments and the characters tooFang pls marry me
>>323345738
>implying having character archetypes is mutually exclusive with having deep and multi-layered characters
>>323346063
You clearly have Square's writers mistaken for worthless philosophy undergrads.
>>323346291
Please tell me the deep, multilayered nuances of Vanilles character. I'd really like to know.
>>323346185
Are you a cute girl?
>>323342845
Yeah I was not a fan of LR's ticking time system.
Being able to play in 4k 60fps made up for it tho
>>323346445
Play the videogame, I'm not here to spoonfeed retards
>>323345738
Hope
>young boy who is going through grief and holds a grudge against snow
>but his anger is just a way to cope with the events he's forced into. In reality, he is angry at himself for failing to protect his mother, and his father, who overlooks him
Snow
>optimistic guy who always takes the charge whether it is right or not
>but he only does so because he knows he is way over his head. He knows he cannot back up the things he says so he just continues on mullishly until something happens.
Vanille
>a lady who seems like a ditz and overly cheerful
>but actually she's been maneuvering everyone to get closer to her goal while putting on a cheery facade so they don't know she is the root of all their problem
Lightning
>stoic and taciturn, she doesn't like people getting close and is harsh to everyone
>but actually, she is mad at herself for not being a better sister, the need to apologize drives her onward
Boom. Deep, and multi-layered with believable flaws
>>323346291
>the naive hero gets disappointed
>the young weakling hardens up
>the bitter hardass softens up
Yeah man, this is some fucking literature right here.
>>323346581
I have agaming laptopwith a GTX970Mand I can't keep the game running at 60FPS even with all the effects and shit (the few ones we get in the menu) at minimum at 1080p fullscreen. Is this normal? I feel like the port is running in an emulator and it's bottlenecking my i7 processor (which is ridiculous).
It's part of why I can't bring myself to keep playing, I get shitty frame drops to 40-50 FPS and they are noticeable as fuck...
>>323346445
Well first of all Vanille isn't who she pretends to be
She lies to everyone
She pretends to be a ditzy youmg girl while in reality she's a pulse l'cie
Her and Fang are responsabile for thousands of deaths in the war of transgression
She feels guilty about it and tries to lie her way away from her true self and from her destiny
This is just the tip of the iceberg
>>323346785
>expecting spergs to understand character traits and personalities don't always have to be on the surface and explained in full detail in a voice acted cutscene
>>323335918
>only control one character in battle
>can't even choose which one for the majority of the game
>it's game over if the party leader dies
>can't set up your party members A.I. even though FF12 introduced gambits
>handholding through 70% of the game
>85% of the game is corridors with no backtracking
>even more fucking linear than 10
what exactly did you like about it, OP? Lightning's armpits?
>>323346814
That's odd, my 970 does fine except for a few drops here and there every now and then. Check your drivers maybe?
>>323346807
You can literally reduce every single character to a 5-word sentence that describes them in a superficial-yet-generalized way. From Dostoevskij to Homer, every single complex and multi-faceted character can be reduced to a single sentence.You aren't proving anything with your post.
>Raskolnikov
>student who murders for debt feels guilty about his action and hopes for redemption
hurr durr so shallow
>>323346831
That's like one layer. She's a cunt who did bad shit and pretends to be someone else to deal with it. Where's the rest of the iceberg?
Shit thread.
Let's discuss XV instead to trigger the shill again.
>one playable character
>action adventure
>no females
>Kirito
>boring designs
>>323346785
You don't have to tell me these things. They're literally thrown in your face by the ham-fisted narrative. It's literally
corridor -> robotic, overobvious conversation spoonfeeding you explanations or motivations -> corridor -> repeat
"I couldn't protect theeeeeem" is an extremely common JRPG trope. "Bulling forward with fake optimism" is an extremely common JRPG trope. "I was only pretending to be retarded" is an extremely common JRPG trope. Hedgehog's Dilemma is an extremely common JRPG trope.
It's obvious we're just working on different standards here.
>>323335918
FFXIII was complete garbage because of developer clashes. It isn't surprising since the fucker in charge of SE at the time also somehow fucked up FFXIV.
>>323346937
I remember when FFXIII came out. Everybody on the internet from /v/ to GameFAQs kept whining about Hope being an insufferable brat who just fucks everything up and is annoying and a shitty character. He's always been one of my favorite characters because at last we get a game where an underage kid whose mother was killed right in front of his eyes is able to behave like the underage kid he is. In every single fucking RPG you get teenage heroes being brave and fearless and the moment you try to introduce a more realistic and complex character he just gets labeled as "annoying brat".
Fucking wow
>>323347104
>You can literally reduce every single character to a 5-word sentence that describes them in a superficial-yet-generalized way.
Yes, but the more original and dynamic the character gets, the less accurate the summary gets, and short summaries don't miss much on FFXIII's characters.
>>323347393
>He's annoying on purpose!
Bravo, Squeenix.
>tfw no FFXII PC remake
Why the fuck did they choose to remake IX instead of the best game in the entire series?
>>323347393
It's kind of unfortunate Final Fantasy gets blasted for trying to create interesting characters. I suppose most just want really meme-tier characters or trophies to look at rather than actual characters with stories that led them to who they are.
I actually really like Lightning's character. She gets a lot of flak because >she's just le sex doll, but IMO her stoicism is pretty fucking rare in video games. It's a hard concept to convey anyways, seeing as majority of gamers just interpreted her as being "blank".
>>323347867
>I suppose most just want really meme-tier characters or trophies to look at rather than actual characters with stories that led them to who they are.
As proven by the success of the Tales of series of games where every single character is literally an Anime cliche and every single game in the series has mostly copy-pasted kawaii animu characters from the previous games with different costumes and names.
>>323347867
She wasn't condemned as "bland". She was condemned as sometimes unsubtly bitchy in the beginning and the events that softened her are extremely predictable and typical of JRPG and anime writing. She was just a very unsubtle character in general. It's all a matter of whether your standards are calibrated by JRPGs or actual books.
Playing FFXIII-2 now after finishing FXIII a week ago.
I was really surprised by how different XIII-2 feels to XIII. I thought XIII was ok but they've really improved on almost everything in FXIII-2.
Didn't really bother with any of the post game content in XIII. Did I miss a lot?
>>323347823
but anon, IX is the best game in the series
>>323347107
She's not a cunt
She's a genuinely kind hearted person
She got dragged into this because of her love for Fang
Fang is determined on the other hand and would go to any leghts for the purpose of self-preservation and protecting Vanille
Vanille would rather die and give up her own life than let other people suffer and die
This continues in LR where even after saving Cocoon she's still tormented by her guilt
She's not all good, since she drags Hope along on a crazy mission to find her girlfriend, which might put Hope in danger
Not great danger since being a l'cie she can easily protect herself and Hope
There's more if you want
>>323347371
Name a JRPG where the optimistic guy actually relents.
Full disclosure: I really liked the scene with her and Snow in the last game.
>>323348223
>Did I miss a lot?
Not really. It's mostly just some hunts and a shitton of farming for rare drops.
>>323347078
It's the only thing to like. That and Lightning /ss/ with Hope.
I WANT TO SEE SOME SFM PORN WITH SNOW PLOWING SERAH'S TIGHT ASS WIT THIS MASSIVE COCK
Combat after 40+ hours is so fucking good. Seriously, have you ever killed a Cactuar Prime or juggled a Behemoth to death before it could revert to its bipedal form?
I'll stand by that statement but it's still a pain in the ass to get there and the Crystarium doesn't allow for freedom the way the job system or sphere grid did but there's a great blend of strategy and reflex involved in some of the higher hunts. I also don't pretend that FF hasn't always been linear, but FF is practically on rails for the first half. There's a lot wrong with it but most people will either argue "SHIT GAME" or "LIGHTNING IS MY WAIFU" without looking at the good things.
Also, this is by far the comfiest FF songprove me wrong, I may be forgetting one but I've played every mainline except for III
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfwyGMtBwfE
>>323348223
XIII-3/Lightning Returns is an even bigger change than XIII->XIII-2.
>>323348126
She was condemned as bland. Here's a quick example. Not saying she wasn't also criticized for other reasons (as you point out), but the biggest reason I found was "bland" "dull", that sort of stuff.
>>323348336
The "wow" factor for me was that Fang would rather kill Vanille then let her turn c'ieth. That bit with Orphan at the end made me realize this game was something extra special.
>>323348623
Sorry, I meant to say she wasn't purely condemned as bland. Of course some found her bland. In fact, given the obviousness of her progression I would still call her pretty bland.
Why is it so hard to stagger the bigger enemies in gran pulse? Am I doing something wrong?
>>323349078
Tell me what you're doing and I'll let you know.
>>323348628
Well turnig cie'th means being condemned to eternal mental torture and anguish
It was in a datalog
It said that cie'th can't feel through any of their senses and are overcome by a blind rage and a complete sense of regret and pain because of their failure
This can be ended by death since killing a cie'th literally puts the soul out of its agony and allows it to retirn to the unseen realm and be reborn
However if they aren't killed since they aren't easy to kill, they'll become cie'th stone like the ones you find on Gran Pulse
Since as a stone nobody will think to destroy it, the cie'th has a 99% chance of being dammed for all time, unless some unsung hero comes along to fulfill its focus
They could have made them blue jrpg zombies, and instead they're so well thought out creatures
>>323349365
I can never stagger the behemoth before or after he transforms into his bipedal form.
Also I'm using lightning, fang and vanille in my party. I think my first paradigm is rav/com/rav. I forget the rest. Is there a recommended set up?
Playing it right now and think it's pretty good
>>323349715
>that one stone who didn't want to complete his focus because the monster was too far away and he didn't want to walk
>>323349856
>lightning, fang and vanille
There will be a boss that resists debuffs. All of them. Dispel too.
Don't bother trying to beat it with this party. Switch Vanille for Hope and spend his CP. Equipment? Don't bother.
Buffs buffs buffs.
The boss should be dead in one stagger. Or two, don't remember well. Then swap back.
>>323349897
If only I had more decisiveness wasn't so shit I wouldn't have done it
Then again a quest is a questI liked to think Lightning got pissed off at the others for doing this particular mission
>>323349856
>who are you controlling
>do you have your character abilities yet
>>323335918
XIII was my first Final Fantasy
It is my favorite Final Fantasy after playing the majority of Final Fantasy games.
I am not ashamed.
>>323350309
Yeah, it actually was a pretty long walk, to be fair
>>323347823
FFXII is godlike emulated anyway.
>mfw Lightning Sazh and Fang are the only characters I like
>mfw that means Lightning is the best healer I have access to
>>323350415
>who are you controlling
Lightning. Sometimes I switch and use Fang.
>do you have your character abilities yet
By character abilities you mean their summons?
>>323350874
Yeah, some of the summons are fucking broken when used correctly.
E.g. with the Behemoths you can stagger it using buffs then fucking one shot it using summons no matter how underlevelled you are.
>>323350819
I need a Vita version, please SE.
>>323349856
You probably do too much damage to him without filling the stagger bar. rav/rav/rav without buffs would be better.
I probably won't bother with that though and just burst him down to half HP before applying all the debuffs. Imperil and deshell work great.
If you have trouble staying alive switch out fang for Hope because he has defensive buffs.
Best party to go before chapter 12 is probably lightning/sazh/vanille and then Fang/lightning/hope. Before crystarium level 9 Hope doesn't have haste and Fang doesn't have Imperil which are very important.
Vanille/fang/sazh best party
It only took about 43 hours but I got to the best part of the game. The part where you get to ground level after that plane crash/escape. The huge open area, large menacing enemies, and some soothing music. It really is a shame it takes so long to get there, most people get burnt out on the story and mechanics mid way but this part and the preceeding events make up for it.
>>323350819
>IZJS has better weapon balancing
>but your character progression is extremely limited
>vanilla lets you make any class you want, and you can grind yourself all the skills if you want
>but a lot of weapon types are complete trash
>>323351047
That would be cool too.
Emulated is the only remake you need - HD character models and renders already.
>>323351498
I was referring to graphics mostly - since remasters are just that.
IZJS is the best, but I like both versions.
>>323351498
all IZJS needed to be perfect was the option to switch classes
>>323347092
Updated drivers and changed shit around my nvidia panel. I tried again and nope.. game stutters like shit so I can either choose to play at fixed 30 FPS (which looks like ASS) or at 40-50 FPS with SOMETIMES butter smooth 60FPS for a few seconds. It's so fucking frustrating I can't really bring myself to play more. I'm having way much more fun with a better combat system and smoother gameplay with Tales of Zestiria at the moment.
>>323351869
I prefer the latter if the frame rates are still higher, but then again I'm used to frame drops.
>>323351715
Or dual classing. That shit would have been rad.
>>323350874
I mean their unique abilities ie army of one, high wind, sovereign fist, etc. They're useful but not necessary. The only real buff you'll need are haste. Vigilance, bravery, and faith are good extras, but you can do without. It's nice to have auto-haste if you can get it, otherwise cast it first thing. Do three haste per character and then cancel out if it sticks. Then just spam three ravagers with ATB refresh. When he's staggered, launch loop him to prevent him from transforming. If your take isn't enough to launch him, considering using Fang as leader to take advantage of her Highwind before he transforms. Auto-haste plus silk or paper tiger is great if you know you can kill him in a single stagger.
>>323351449
It really lacks grass though.
>>323352014
The problem is that due to the shitty console-tier engine, the game is tied to the FPS (or at least it feels like it) so when I am running at 40FPS it feels like everything else in the game is just slower. It's so annoying. I don't get buttblasted when another game like, I don't know, The Witcher 3 drops to 40-45 FPS occasionally because I don't feel it much, but in this case it is very evident and ruins everything.
wait are the 3 pink haired girls different people? i always thought they were the same character in different outfits
>this talk of XII
>no one posting delicious Fran ass
>>323352172
Yeah well they are shit ports, nothing much to be done about it.
I only pick them up for like $5, then I don't care if they're shit anyway.
>>323350309
>I liked to think Lightning got pissed off at the others for doing this particular mission
It would have been cool if every ceith stone had some comments/chit chat from at least 2 characters as a way of showing their character instead of nothing but cutscenes
>>323344803
It's definitely not. Very forgettable. Shit art style.
>>323352312
>tfw I really liked FFXII, one of my favourites
>everyone else hated it
>>323352312
I just fapped anon please don't post anymore
>>323352504
>best story
>best characters
>best world
>best OST
>best sidequests
>worstcombat
>forgettable
Yeah you're full of shit
>>323335918
>How do we fix this fanbase?
we don't. Just gotta wait it out. It reminds me a lot of when ffx was released and all the shit it got. After a few more total failures in the ff series are released the "fans" will come around to the idea that ffxiii wasn't so bad.
Academia is one of the best things to come out of the trilogy. XIII's setting is generally fucking great.
I want more of this, damn it.
>>323352775
Academia satiated part of my thirst for a more detailed Esthar from FFVIII. If only we could have more...
>>323352708
>best story
I thought it was alright, but not the best.
>characters
I'll give you that, some of my favourites - especially Vivi.
>world
Nah.
>OST
Pretty good, agreed.
>sidequests
No.
I don't think it was forgettable either though, it was enjoyable - does it have to be one way or the other though? I liked it, but I didn't find it the best or anything.
>>323346785
Real deep characters that you just described completely with 3 sentences.
>>323352775
XIII looked really, really good on consoles. SE is really good at visuals.
>>323352775
FFXIII really pissed me off with the wasted settings and sidequests.
Fucking tittydom got killed off too fast.
>>323352775
>>323352625
They're just faggots who can't handle programming their party's with strategies.
>>323352756
>After a few more total failures
XIII-2 and LR already came out.
>>323352912I agree, but my autism doesn't let me reason in a non-black/white manner.I use it as a way to try and feel accepted by this website's culture
It's no more retarded than any other FF game, it's just a lot of the people that played it didn't remember how bizarre and retarded the other games' plot/characters were because they were younger when they played them. All the FF games have stupid nonsensical plots and things that don't make sense and annoying characters.
GUYS I'm about 15 hours into FFXII and really loving it, however I just got word that the International Version is a lot better and changes a whole bunch of stuff, are the changes worth restarting from the beginning or should I just continue playing the vanilla version?
>>323353027
* and sidecharacters.
>>323353069
It was just all the amount of side content I loved - all the mobs, hunts, loot etc.
I can accept the story and some of the characters being shit - but they were a minor part of the game ironically.
>>323352947
And yet I could write a whole essay about each one. Simple, yet deceptively deep. That's 13 for you.
>>323353091
that's not enough. just wait until this next major failure
>>323352625
I can kinda see why. The game plays itself.
Boring as fuck, family.
Not to mention vanilla's license boards.
>>323353148
>All the FF games have stupid nonsensical plots and things that don't make sense and annoying characters
Not to this extent.
>>323353247
But 14 already happened.
>>323353159
Nah finish it - if you're enjoying it now, play it through blind.
IZJS is good when you know the game too - you can explore it deeper, and the speedup button helps.
When I first played IZJS, I had about 2000 hours in the vanilla game on my PS2.
>>323353303
>not turning gambits off, at least for the leader
pleb
>>323352625
You're not alone, anon.
I started replaying it a few days ago.
>>323352093
This is the world we live in man, we gotta deal with it. I didn't really mind it since I was finally getting the FF experience I was looking for. This game could've really used this area much earlier but it feels so right since you're strong, but the enemies are stronger and you're in a world that is out for your non-existant ass. It's one my favorite FF pacing shifts because of the massive enemy strength gap. Man I wanna play that again.
>>323353303
Gambits can be switched off - it doesn't force you to use them.
What was wrong with the LB? It allowed you to do everything, if you didn't want it that's what IZJS is for.
>>323347867
Squall (before they ruin his character in Disc 3)
>>323353316
Why didn't Tifa just tell Cloud the truth? Why didn't Irvine just tell them the truth? Why does Beatrix get away with genocide? Who the fuck is red amarant even?
>>323353496
I like that doujin, but that page art is SO WASTED, REEEEE.
I replay IZJS now and then, but I've played it so much.
I did a run where I got 99x of every item, this game activates my autism with the force of 1000 suns.
>>323353316
The very first game introduces an incredibly retarded time travel mechanic and it goes downhill from there.
The old games just left more to the imagination because they couldn't fill them with insane visuals and ridiculous sequences. The stupid insane shit the characters of 13 do is just shown in real time with insane visuals so it looks more retarded and makes less sense.
If any other older FF game were released today, the same criticisms would come up. Look at Advent Children.
FF7 will seem just as stupid and out there with the remake as this one.
>>323335918
>it is not as bad as most people make it out to be
Are you a PCfag?
>>323353919
Most PCfags wouldn't say that because the port is dogshite.
>>323354074
FFXIII and FFXIII-2 ports are... alright. LR is shyte
>>323354210
I thought FFXIII was the worst port? Woops.
>>323354074
They would because we've seen these stupid threads several times since it's been ported.
All of a sudden this game isn't dog shit just because it's on PC.
Also the ports were superb, LR was the shit one IIRC.
>>323335918
Just my opinion...
XIII is comparable to VIII.
XIII-2 is better than X-2
LR is a different kind of game, not a fan of the time limitations that stunt an overall improvement to the XIII trilogy. It's a world I'd like to explore leisurely which is a good thing but don't have that luxury which kind of sucks.
>>323336658
wow relax there satan
>>323354484
Oh, I fell for memes then.
I might pick up FFXIII and -2 next sale then.
>>323352775
Even better with the classic cyberpunk weather.
>>323354210
Are the ports good if you play with a 360 controller?
>>323348565
>I also don't pretend that FF hasn't always been linear, but FF is practically on rails for the first half.
People need to acknowledge this more. Every FF is linear as fuck - just about every JRPG is. But there's a different between that and "Just walk straight down this hallway now please", which is a big portion of the whole first 70% of the game.
>There's a lot wrong with it but most people will either argue "SHIT GAME" or "LIGHTNING IS MY WAIFU" without looking at the good things.
The converse is also true - this new wave of fans are defending every aspect of the game, especially the bad parts. Look, FFXIII had terrible pacing both in gameplay and storyline. The battle system is interesting and could have been great but was not executed as well as it could have been. The music and graphics are great, but neither matter as much as prior games because the characters and story aren't interesting/engaging enough for those to stick. In short FFXIII has some good parts that don't come together well in the final product.
>>323354396
I don't know, it works pretty well on my PC whereas LR is a mess (I'm >>323352172 just for reference). The problem is that as they got more confident with their ported engine, they started adding more graphics options (like the shitty choice between "simple" and "advanced" shadows or whatever) and I don't know why they fucked up so badly that even at the lowest settings the game runs like shit.
I had issues with FFXIII-2 and steam cloud saves freezing some loading areas too.
The only good thing about XIII are the visuals and music.
Everything else is just terrible.
>>323354803
360 controller works fine (it's what I use). If your PC can handle the games and you don't have any other issues/bugs (or know how to work around them, see >>323354945
>I had issues with FFXIII-2 and steam cloud saves freezing some loading areas ) then it'll be fine. The games are made to be played with a controller so I wouldn't play them with anything else (keyboard controls are terrible iirc)
>>323347823
I feel you man. I feel you
>>323352775
>>323353039
>>323354781
It's pretty generic.
>>323354781
Yep. I just wish 400AF wasn't permanently attacked.
>>323355264
That's a good thing for XIII. The first game is really overdesigned.
>>323355321
Oh god yes. You can't walk anywhere without triggering an inescapable 10 second battle every 15 seconds.
>>323354396
>>323354945
From what I heard the game does something that makes your GPU clock down hard and lower performance.
I've set my 770gtx to prefer maximum power in the control panel and never had any performance issues.
>>323353159
Original has more flexibility when it comes to making your characters. I heard there was a patch that let you uncap damage like in IZJS. Just get that for the vanilla version and your good to go. You should only play IZJS long after you've finished vanilla.
>>323335918
>before PC release
>Final Fantasy 13 is a terrible game, with a worthless and loaded plot, casualized gameplay, and one dimensional characters
>after PC release
>ZOMG,F13 IS SOOOOO LE GOOD xd, MUH FEELZ WTH SOCRATES TIER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT (I READ THAT ON TEH INTERWEBZ xDDD) AND GOAT COMBAT 8)))
>>323357076
This
>>323353354
On a related note, this thread is happening.
>"but holy fuck, it is not as bad as most people make it out to be"
Interesting very interesting
>>323357076
Everything still stands except gameplay.
It was the only redeeming factor because I didn't particularly liked any of the characters except Fang and didn't get any of the retarded story because I haven't bothered reading 100 pages of history.
>>323357076
>before PC release
>Final Fantasy 13 is a terrible game, with a worthless and loaded plot, casualized gameplay, and one dimensional characters
>after multiple failures in the series
>ZOMG,F13 IS SOOOOO LE GOOD xd, MUH FEELZ WTH SOCRATES TIER CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT (I READ THAT ON TEH INTERWEBZ xDDD) AND GOAT COMBAT 8)))
ftfy
>>323357076
Please control yourself.
>>323357830
>multiple failures in the series
What a coincidence that 2/3 of them were sequels.
What exactly is supposed to be fun about this game? I played for an hour and a half, got bored out of my mind, and uninstalled.
>>323358394
It gets good 75 hours in.
>all this obvious shilling
>>323335918
I never played it, and I'm not particularly into FF
But if there was one thing that turned me off in this game was the exposition of the story through "datalogs"
No, I don't think I'll ever give this game much of a chance, and I don't think I'll ever find a reason to. No matter how you see it, a story that can't tell itself properly and requires extra-exposition through "Datalogs" is bad, and shouldn't be done.
If you want to do datalogs you should do it in a style of e.g. Ar Tonelico, that even though the story may not be all that good, the datalogs are not essential for fully understanding and are really only there if you're curious about the terms of the setting.
It should not be a requirement, but an addition.
Like Shakespeare said "Brevity is the soul of wit", this just means "keep it nice and simple, and dont waste my fucking time"
>>323358534
>75
it's actually only 35
>>323358661
It's OK to admit you didn't understand it, anon.
>>323335918
Pros:
>awesome music
>graphics are pretty
Cons:
>most characters have no personality at all
>lightning is the worst attempt at a female edgelord protagonist i've ever seen in my life
>battle system is "press x to win"
>other gameplay is "press forward to get to the next place"
I liked it better than XII though...
>>323359172
>battle system is "press x to win"
Wow, you know if you go out of your way to fight the interface and try to play it in a more difficult way the combat is slightly better?
>lightning is the worst attempt at a female edgelord protagonist i've ever seen in my life
I don't think she's an edgelord, but I did have a hearty chuckle when she said "nothing personnel" after stabbing a slug.
>>323355487
>mfw people say random encounters are a good thing
>>323335918
I want this to come to backwards compatibility so I can give it another chance, I really liked the characters and the visuals were fantastic
>>323336097
Actually, it is more linear than X. Thats an impressive feat in and of itself.
>>323344803
Kek
>>323351449
I just got to chapter 11 and have 17 hours on file
>>323353496
>have to restart every cutscene because there's always a nice shot of Fran's glorious hips and ass that i have to screen cap
>>323339607
>Liking some retarded chicken-voiced pedobait
>>>/trash/
>>323354396
It is. LR is the best port of the trilogy. He's talking out of his ass.
>>323363048
Rude.
