>you bought Starbound
>you bought DayZ
>you bought Rust
Why is early access so shit? I want to believe it can bring good but almost every game I see never gets finished.
Because if the developers already have money they have less incentive to finish the game
Now imagine how fucked gaming would be in socialism
>>322627239
I'm just a brainless consumer so I wouldn't know shit but I assume it has something to do with the fact that the developer receives the money he/she wants before the game finished which diminishes motivation for completing something when you've already been paid
>You bought Dirt: Rally
>It gets 4 massive updates in the next 3 weeks, including a complete redesign of the handling physics, doubling the number of maps and cars, and adding two new race types
I've always been fond of Codemasters, I felt like they just like racing games and make them no bullshit. They've struggled with Dirt being too much of an arcade game, similar to Grid, but Dirt Rally is the ideal PC Rally Racing Simulator. Built ground up for PC, no flashbacks, no fancy menus, just pick a map, pick a car, and fucking drive.
>>322627342
Aaaaaaand first post nails it.
Humans naturally choose the path of least resistance. If your game is already a success before its finished, what reason do you have to continue?
Believing people will do shit solely out of goodwill is a naive world view, people need a carrot on a stick for motivation.
I thought the point of crowdfunding was to sucker NEETs out of their autismbux?
>he fell for the early access survival game meme
>>322627239
>buying an early access game
That's the single most retarded thing you can do.
>Rust
Fuck that game. They still haven't fixed locks. Never fucking use regular locks, if you do once you die you won't ever, ever, EVER be able to get back inside your house or chest. It's fucking stupid. That bug has been around since the game first released and they STILL haven't fixed it.
>>322627342
So it's corporate control by a few companies shitting out the same overdone franchise titles for years to come, or greedy indie shits duping people into buying their half assed college art projects.
Sounds like both sides are shit.
>>322627239
I have 400 hours on rust
>your friends suckered you into buying ARK
Thank god I didn't even need to play an hour of it to see how unoptimized the fucking game is. Rust and DayZ look like DMC4 compared to Ark.
>>322628167
>implying capitslism is equivalent to corporate control
You dont even know what you're talking about. Small teams and companies excel pretty often in gaming
>>322627851
Path of least resistance is also why the "choose your own difficulty" model makes games worse. It's one of the reasons *Souls is so highly regarded as good.
>>322627851
Not anymore even. Most companies need projected profits and models showing strong evidence that there will be return on their investment before even starting a project.
Small groups might get lucky and get head hunted and bought out by the controllers, but yeah, this industry is just gambling casino shit with better graphics
>>322628405
It's also why wow has been on such a horrible decline after BC.
>>322628329
That's funny. I'm guessing you learned that in your economics class, or did somebody smart on the television tell you that one?
You're a naive retard if you think "the little guy" is anything more than a satellite studio owned by a big Corp or they're just gonna get gobbled up by one if they even have a remotely good idea.
>You backed a kickstarter
>>322628219
at least ARK has plenty of content and will eventually come out
it's not a good game by any stretch of the imagination, but it's better value than DayZ and Rust by far
>>322628674
Im a small business owner doing quite well in the industry actually. Tell me where you learned about the evils of capitalism other than your precious media or reddit.
>>322628718
>>322627995
the game also has the worst optimization I've ever seen in any video game
>>322628674
>>>/reddit/
>>322627239
You just bought in the survival zombie meme game hype.
Try Grim Dawn. I bought it early 2015 in early access and it is one of the best game I've ever played. I've put 260 hours in it and still playing.
>p2w microtransactions in an alpha
DayZ isn't that bad but
>buying Rust
>buying Cuckbound
Fucking deserve it
>You bought Killing Floor 2
>>322628674
Fuck off communist faggot
>>322628864
Prove it faggot. Where's your game? And prove funding if you want any credibility.
Humble Mistakes tier:
DayZ
ARK
Wasn't Thinking Correctly tier:
Rust
Starbound
UNLIMITED KEKOLDING tier:
Starbound
Killing Floor 2
Anything else?
>>322629182
It's pretty fun.Sometimes. In 20 minute sessions.
You niggas should try Savage Lands. Devs are bros who are ultra autistic about listening to players.
>he bought Evolve
lmao. biggest disappointment of 2015
>>322628952
I could barely run the game at 30fps on medium with a 960
>like two years ago
>friends tell me about this great new game called Starbound
>everyone I know is into it, they insist I buy it and play it for myself
>fine jeez
>two hours and fifteen dollars later, I'm already bored out of my mind
>everyone who convinced me to buy it unanimously comes to the conclusion that Starbound is shit about a week later
I backed StarForge for $60
Fuck me
>>322627342
The USSR gave us Tetris. Although I guess that's technically Stalinism, not socialism.
Don't Starve is the only good early access survival game.
>>322628329
>muh "corporate control isn't capitalism"
I guess that's exactly why capitalism has allowed major corporations to dominate every market despite constantly fucking over consumers then huh :^)
>I backed Shovel Knight
>I backed Darkest Dungeon
>I backed FTL>I participated in the early Alpha /v/ threads for Minecraft
Just kill me now
>>322629261
I wont because we actually take pride in our work and I dont need our gane becoming a /v/ meme.
We're a team of 6 and all of my employees get paid 55k a year. We only have one game out but our profit from it has been around 600k (after a year and a half of working on the game, employee pay, licensing, distribution costs, etc)
You don't have to believe me. If this sounds like an impossible feat to you then it just shows your delusion
>>322628718
Oh fuck did it turn out bad?
>>322629750
We all played alpha, it was the shit.
>>322629182
obligatory Early Access anthem
>>322629857
>
I bought DayZ
I bought H1Z1
I bought War Z
I bought ARK
Iregret it
>>322629995
>buy
>brought this on myself
mirin wordplay
>Project Zomboid when they got their shit together
It will never be finished but it was cheap and I had fun
>Xenonauts
Worth every shekel. Had a lot of fun
>Prison Architect
Mildly fun but I expected this so can't blame the devs. Dev blog was part of the fun.
Early access is good if you're not a retard and actually know what you want.
I don't understand why you would buy EA after Eite: Dangerous and Planetary Annihilation both jewed the shit out of early backers. In a perfect world those two games would have killed EA, but people are still getting suckered.
>>322629634
Yes, the game is quite, yet I still got the game when they were out of early access and the same with their dlc.
No matter how much I like something, I´m not going to give any support to early access ever.
>>322628864
The evils of capitalism are that the surplus value of the laborer's is leeched by the production owners.
If you don't see why that's a problem, you are pretty fucking retarded.
>>322629750
Those are all good games anon. Even Alpha Minecraft was good.
>>322629750
I got the beta for $10 the day it came out, me and my friends playd all night. Good memeries. Don't play it anymore but at least I didn't have to pay full price.
The Forest is a decent early assess survival game.
Like all early assess games it has a lot of potential but at the moment at least it isnt entirely shit.
>>322630308
>If you don't agree with my uneducated point of you, you're FUCKING retraded brooo xDDD
End your miserable suffering, you communist subhuman.
>>322630308
> le worker is entitled to the exaxt value he produces! !!
This is completely possible in capitalism. Go into contract work and dont accept contracts that you think arent fair value to you. Chances are if you are actually as good of a worker as you think, the employer will pay more to keep you around. If you're legitimately arguing against the concept of profit, you dont understand anything and are meming
>>322627239
>but almost every game I see never gets finished.
That's because you get fished into bad game developers, irrelevant of the game quality.
>Examples of Early Access done right
The first game to ever enter AND exit Steam Early Access, Drunken Robot Pornography.
The entire Don't Starve series
The Escapists, although the game itself is kinda shit and they are minor DLC whores.
>you bought subnautica
>>322629857
>>322629750
I would actually rate each of those among thebestgames that came out in their respective years.Yes, even minecraft
>>322630996
Why send me meme gifs? Feel free to make a real response my redditor friens
>>322629750
>Minecraft
Oh good god, I still remember when they gave all Premium users a free Premium code to give to a friend.
Cubeworld[/Spoiler]
>>322628718
>people thought they were getting Vanillaware tier graphics
>>322629750
>>322631198
>You'll never play Minecraft with /v/ for the first time again
>>322629182
It is truly odd how slow they output new classes.That being said it is the only game my friends play these days.
>>322631394
Please don't remind me. The joy will never come back.I still sometimes indulge in a custom map on a self-run low playercount server just for fun.
Sunless sea is literally the only good early access game that actually got completed.
>>322631874
Are you the guy who made the reddit list where sunless sea is #1?
Good job faggot
>>322631417
Eh I give them the benefit of the doubt. the modeling, mo-capping, polishing, balancing etc. would take a whileI'll never not be pissed about the zed-conomy though. Like as if they couldn't wait until the game was done.
>>322631874
>only
What is Don't Starve?
What is Drunken Robot Pornography?
That's all I can think off the top of my head.
There's also one that looks promising, but I can't find it.Also, Rest in Peace Echo Bazaar.
>>322628718
>back hotline miami 2 kickstarter
>get two preorder keys for $25i also kickstarted tower unite because i leaked a fuckton of hours into gmod tower, so hopefully thats not shit or completely empty
Is it too late to jump into the early access survival zombie train kickstarter funded and then run with the money after a few alphas sempais?
it will have dinosaurs. Zombie dinosaurs and shit
>>322627239
Early access is shit because as a general practice you don't release something that can't stand on its own. Plenty of games get released in what could be considered an unfinished state, but it's finished enough that you can still sell the thing and it doesn't look like you're cheating your customers.
State of Decay comes to mind. That game was a buggy, unbalanced mess on release, but it got better as time went on and the devs patched shit and reworked a bunch of issues. They COULD have not fixed a thing and it would still have been an OK game. It wasn't in such a sorry shape that people bought it based on a sales pitch and then found themselves disappointed that development had ground to a halt due to a variety of issues.
>>322627995
yes they have. you no longer need to find a BP to make a code lock
its not a bug either you fuckin moron
build a house, use a temporary key and lock while you build a furnace and get metal frags, then build a code lock
>>322633215
>>322627995
also you can make an infinite amount of copies of the key, you can make stashes to bury underground near your house that you could put your key in, you can put copies of your key inside your house so that if you die, you can still get out
at least play the game before talking shit
>>322627239
you have bad taste and or judgement
Found it. This one looks promising, but I haven't got it yet because I'm still burnt from the bullshit that was Planetary Annihilation.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/344740
I bought Prison Architect on early access, and I enjoyed it a lot.
Early Access is a flawed system though since you are giving them money before even finishing the game.
>>322627239
I usually tend to look up developers and publishers as well as who's working on a game before i try early access. If the publisher's reliable enough they're obviously not going to be fooling around with something not worth their time.
A good example was Crypt of the Necrodancer. I love Danny Baranowsky's work and Klei helped with publishing, and i enjoy most of Klei's work. Overall I found it very enjoyable.
Spend a little more time before you buy an early access game and you might find some gems in the rough.
Would be a better model if there was repercussions for failing to deliver.
There's been too many shitty kickstarters that have failed to deliver anything close to what was promised.
>>322631149
What's with this reddit meme? Do people from reddit tell people to go back to 4chan or something? Is there some loyalty award or membership I'm not aware of on these boards?
>>322627239
Those games would be shit even if they were finished.
Don't blame early access, blame your shit taste
>>322629857
>small business
>doesn't want free advertising
Confirmed bullshit.
>>322627239
Starbound has had a few good updates. It's still not worth anything more than a penny, but still.
DayZ hasn't had a damn update worth mention since ever. Even H1Z1 is better.
Rust's only appeal was that you could run around legit naked.
The only early access game I've ever bought that didn't disappoint was Sorcerland, and that dev has been MIA for a year now.
>>322634924
>DayZ hasn't had a damn update worth mention since ever.
I wonder what their plans are for it really, I mean are they just in too deep. There's better games that have been released for fuck sake
>>322627239
What this guy said: >>322627342
Why would they need to finish the game if they already have your money? You're an idiot who just got played.
"gamers" are fucking stupid. Like really fucking stupid. Fucking children and adult children buying in to shit because of hype. People like OP are cancer, buying unfinished games, buying DLC on day one, paying for shit that has no effect on anything (hats anyone?). The fuck is wrong with you?!
>>322627342
>Now imagine how fucked gaming would be in socialism
The way you seem to implying it, the company would be state controlled. It would get finished but the game would have an agenda.
Game companies get huge subsidies, like the massive corporations that exist in america. Is that the effect of socialism too? You know, the shit you seem to prefer being kept afloat by public money?
You know nothing about socialism.
>>322632394
True the models and maps are gorgeous, amusing when you take into account you have little to no time to take it in when actually playing the game.
>you bought Starbound
>you bought DayZ
>you bought Rust
No I didn't, fuck off with your minecraft clones.
>>322627239
>you bought Dankest Dungeon
>>322627239
>you bought Rust
my buddy bought it for me to play with him, we ended up playing one day and I still talk shit about how he wastes money and how we didn't play it for shit.
>>322627239
>My brother bought starforge
He was so disappointed. Sad, really.
>>322627239
It isn't that early access is shit, it is that you are exceptionally stupid
Literally WHAT.
>>322637142
>Combined: 47
Angkor Wat.
>>322628718
There is no way that is The final product.
Please tell me that is an early WIP.
That looks like something you'd find on IPhone in the Free section
You forgot
>you bought cube world
>falling for the early access meme
kek
the only early access that I can think went right was prison architect.
>>322636461
That's good I like this
>>322627239
>I bought Insurgency
>I bought Shovel Knight
>I bought Squad
All good investments.
>>322629035
Is it really that good? I've been itching to play an ARPG. I installed path of exile but it's a bit too complicated for me
I backed shaq-fu 2 for 30 dollars
please don't laugh at me
Wasn't rust the thing with the whole
>lol u can't choose ur own gender cuz that's mean
Or some shit?
>>322639176
>It's a bit too complicated for me.
Path of Exile is amazing if you can get over that first hurdle.
But yeah, Grim Dawn is actually "done" now and comes out I believe February.
>>322639176
path of exile is hardly complicated
>>322628718
Haha, oh my fucking god.
>>322628718
JUST.
>I gave$150to Bloodstained
If it ends up being shit I'm going to commit picross
>>322639189
I backed that shit for $100
>>322638253
It isn't anywhere near the final product. The first is a mock-up from the Kickstarter before they even started development, the second is just to show a sample of a potential shader they could use.
The game isn't slated to come out until next year, they're nowhere even close to completion.
>>322639176
It's basically a more fleshed-out Titan Quest. It's pretty damn good.
>buy starbound
>enjoy it for a while
>get bored and stop
>will probably give it another go if the modding scene ever picks up to Minecraft levels
I also played the shit out of early Terraria when it had almost no content, and Minecraft before it even had multiplayer. And Cube World was a fucking blast, even if it's actually never getting finished.
Trove felt kind of hollow, though. Can't quite explain why.
>>322640224
>if the modding scene ever picks up to Minecraft levels
Not even Skyrim reaches the level of Minecraft.
>Trove
>Hollow
I agree fully. It's got the community and everything right, but something just feels infinitely off about it, almost like you aren't even the one playing the game.
I heard Layers of fear is really good and come out very soon(early 2016) I'm waiting for this
>>322641442
Layers of Fear is an exceptional horror walking simulator.
It's pure nightmare fuel if the player doesn't knowThey can't die and the player can't either.
>>322627239
steam is the Wal-Mart of videogames. No quality, no value, only quantity.
Everything is possible, and people who really shouldn't even touch this industry have hotspots in them because a lot of people don't know the value of money.
This survival shit is just another topping, but recently those who never even heard about animu have been playing VNs, and this trend the LOOK I'M PLAYING A JAPANESE GAME/VN LOL XD is really getting on my nerves. Especially because the actually good ones are under the radar, while the shitty ones get popular, and also downgraded.
>open world survival is a meme now
Jesus I just want a good STALKER clone, but every attempt is forever early access or a scam. (Most of the time both)
>>322627239
Old rust was actually pretty fun without hackers but new rust is shit
>>322627239
>You backed Kaiju Kombat
>>322627239
>>322627995
>>322629182
>>322629364
Have you tried getting friends
>>322638934
The guy is actually still working on it
>mfw gf convinced me to buy 7 days to die
>the last alpha changed pretty much everything in the game
N-nice?
>>322647392
Yeah but at the rate he's going it'll finally be finished around the year 2200
>>322627342
>socialism
I do not think that word means what you think it means
>backed SB DS9
>backed elite: dangerous
really just wanna die honestly
Early access is only good when it is done by established developers that already have all the money they need to finish the game and are only using early access to better develop the game with community feedback. If early access is essential to the completion of the game, then it indicates developers without the capacity to properly develop a game, or worse, a scam.
>>322628952
It runs fine. Let me spell it out for you:
> People whine about poor optimization
> They take a week to fix it
> People whine about not having enough new features
> They add in a mass of new shit next week
> It breaks the optimization and people start whining about it again
At least it's not as poorly optimized as Fallout 4.
>early access
>pc masterrace
>>322649395
They managed to not fix a memory leak for nearly 2 months
The game also eats ram worse than chrome, and frequently crashes because of low memory. Then again i dont give a shit I played it for 300 hours and actually had fun, one of the few games ive enjoyed that much rreally
>>322627239
>buying multiplayer focused games that aren't fighting games
You people really are fucking retarded.
>Lego Worlds
Still hoping this becomes GOAT.
>>322627239
>Why is early access so shit?
because you bought this garbage you fucking moron
>>322628952
Dude, ARK is 100x worse. Any good in that game is undone by the shitty optimization.
>>322628718
>orders a house
>horrified when foundations are installed
clinicly retarded
>>322627239
>you bought Broforce during the winter sale
Current generation does not have 1/4 of the bad asses we had i nthe 80s-2000s. Feel sorry for ya.
>giving money for e-beggars
juj
