>Have to complete a 100h+ singleplayer storyline filled with fetch quests and backtracking before you can access dungeons and the expansion content
Who thought this was a good idea?
>People still manage to be utter shitters by endgame after all this
>>345463354
You can enjoy and Explorer the huge open world
>>345463952
>Explorer the huge open world
The story forces you to do that so there's no way around it
>You can enjoy
Nah
>>345463354
Japs
>>345463952
>Open world
>Can't go into HW area without doing 100h+ of story
ARR was mostly open world. HW killed open world by putting quest blockers everywhere.
>>345463952
>You can enjoy and Explore the huge completely instanced world
FTFY
>>345463952
>implying exploration fags will enjoy this
It's the usual 'themepark' setup, meaning they have you pretty much exploring nearly every nook and cranny through the main story quest alone.
Sure there are some areas that you have to go out of your way for, but these fucking retards are so gay they ask, 'But for what purpose?'.
I have no idea what these 'exploration' fags want, and neither do they. It SOUNDS like what they expect is for the devs to build entire zones/cities/villages where nobody would actually visit because there's no reason to.
>>345464376
There's no instancing in the overworld idiot. There was for like 2 weeks after the expansion released because of server issues.
>>345463354
>I have to play the game to play the game
wow!
>>345464847
>>345464191
There was fun and meaningful exploration for a while after the expansion came out, because you had to explore and find Aether Currents if you wanted to fly.
Apparently they removed that because literally anything that requires more than following the quest markers is too much to ask.
>>345465723
>Playing an MMO for singleplayer content
Literally kill yourself
>>345463354
This is the expansion pack. How are you supposed to expand if you haven't beaten the game?
Sorry the game doesn't have "BUY NOW AND BOOST YOUR CHARACTER TO LEVEL 100 INSTANTLY" so that shitters can clog the queues not knowing how to play their class
I mean it'll happen anyway but at least it takes less time for that to happen this way
>>345465990
Get a friend and do the main quests.
It's not rocket surgery.
>be a mentor
>queue mentor roulette
>mfw all three are new and squeeze over every mechanic
It was cute.
>>345465990
Maybe WoW is more your speed champ.
>>345465990
>Not realizing that this is Final Fantasy, a single-player series
Your fault for not doing the research. FF14 is a single-player game with MMO elements, which is quite okay since it's such a good single player experience.
Outside of the early fetch quests that is. Fuck that, S-E needs to(and probably will) cut out a lot of that shit when the next expansion comes around.
>>345463767
This.
There's people who don't know the basics of their class at 50, and still don't after dragging themselves through the MQ, all the duties and trials after that, and still manage to be shitters in post-50 content. Removing that barrier only enables shitters even more.
So you can actually learn your goddamn job and not get carried in endgame content
>>345466157
>WoW
>Content
Lol
>>345463767
Because none of the mandatory content requires optimized gameplay at all, and SE expects the community to teach people how to actually play.
>>345466196
>it's such a good single player experience.
Literally the entire ARR storyline is just backtracking to random location to grab an item or kill a specific enemy then backtrack back to the quest giver on the other side of the planet. And the story is not even very interesting except a few instances like near the end of ARR.
>I plan to rehash the exact same shit in 4.0
>and these retards will actually buy + defend it!
>>345466220
It really doesn't function as a skill barrier. Worst case scenario for them is they just have to spam it until they get carried.
>>345466401
>Here is a linkshell so we can stay in contact
>PLEASE SEE ME IN PERSON EVERY QUEST
>>345466196
The fucked up thing is FF14 is probably the MMO with the most group content that is still being consistently updated.
Also
>good single player experience
fuck off
>>345466157
>Want multiplayer in a Massively MULTIPLAYER online roleplaying game
>GO BACK TO WOW NERD
Yeah okay
Could you all meet me at the Waking Sands?
>100h+ singleplayer storyline filled with fetch quests and backtracking
you can run through the initial story content in like 30hrs. m8
>>345465836
No, you still have to find aether currents. They just put them in different spots.
>>345466695
Only 30 hours of mind numbing fetch quests??? Sign me the fuck up!
>>345466679
FUCK OFF MINFILIA
REEEE
>>345466041
This has to be one of the worst MMOs to play with a friend. If either of you try and level with the other person not around you're going to fuck up because suddenly you're level 34 and they're only 32, and you're 20 quests ahead of them.
Even then the game constantly places you into solo instances. Jesus Fuck.
>>345466695
Sure, you just need to know everything about the game in advance, no problems!
>>345466854
>game has system in place where it can place you back in your group after a dungeon
>doesnt apply it to questing groups
I really want to like it because it's one of the few MMO's with an aesthetic I can stand. Can't do most western styled stuff, total turn off, and the area design in XIV is very pretty to look at. Plus it's easily got the best soundtrack I've heard in an MMO by far
But fuck, the actual game is awful
>>345466345
>"Hey as a monk you should really be doing positionals. That's about 20% of your damag-"
>"Don't tell me how to play my class"
>>345466271
>>345466854
Then communicate and decide when both of you will play? Or just make a solo character for when your friend isn't on?
>>345463354
It's called Final Fantasy XIV. Of course it's going to have a mandatory storyline.
>>345466196
>A single player series
>Two MMOs
>First one damn near required you to be with other players for years in order to actually progress
It's an MMO, deal with it.
>>345463354
That's the best way to do a themepark MMO in my opinion. Dead maps and hub towns means your game is awfully designed and you essentially wasted resources making all those maps and you might as well have gone the Vindictus/PSO2 route of just having everything be Hub town>Instanced dungeon.
I don't play FFXIV because MMO's just can't keep up with other games anymore but it's not a game where you just mindless grind to level cap then raid. That, FATEs and the daily dungeon roulette thing are good ways to keep old content somewhat relevant.
>>345464367
>ARR was mostly open world. HW killed open world by putting quest blockers everywhere.
Why lie?
>>345467330
>First one damn near required you to be with other players for years in order to actually progress
>Second one damn near requires you to not be with other players for weeks in order to actually progress
NOT an MMO
>>345467007
>well if it's only a 20% difference then it doesn't matter that much ^^;
>>345463354
>Why do I have to play the game to keep playing the game?
The post.
>>345467475
How is it a lie? You can walk to nearly every zone without having to worry about levels or quests, but in HW you absolutely needed to finish the MSQ to get to; hinterlands, Churning Mists, Azys Lia, northern part of sea of clouds.
>>345464847
You don't get anything close to a full map just doing story quests. There is a sightseeing log where you can find all threads cool lore related items and stories that happen around the player. Like there is one story in ishgard that's been playing out over these last few patches where a noble woman falls in love with a commoner, a baron who wants her for himself. He eventually hires goons to kidnap the commoner
>>345467475
Not that guy but I'm pretty sure HW blocks you off from all of the zones except Coerthas West and Sea of Clouds until you progress the story. In ARR you could technically toddle into places you weren't supposed to be yet, even though you couldn't actually do anything there.
>>345463354
>having to subscribe every 2 months so SE don't delete my fucking virtual house
fuck square enix - why didnt they just add infinite amount of wards like other MMOS
>>345467841
>running from Ul'dah to Revenant's Toll at level one on a new alt just to grab the bikini
Pretty fun desu
>>345467194
Sure, those can work. But you realize how badly an MMO is designed when I, the player, have to figure out ways to make it worthwhile to play with OTHER FUCKING PEOPLE, right?
>game has macro functionality
>cant use them since skill queue doesnt work with macros
Thanks.
>>345467890
Just sell the house if you're not using it for 2 months at a time.
>>345468079
It's not like the game needs skill macros. This is not wow ffs.
>>345468079
They work nicely for crafting.
>>345467890
ps3 limitations, can't fit that many options on a menu screen, like, that's literally the excuse for anything. when they added the option to see tp levels on the party screen, they had to move the party bonus information to the social screen. PS3 LIMITATIONS.
>>345467890
PS3 limitationsNo idea if that's true or not but that's their excuse for everything
>>345463354
>Who thought this was a good idea?
Square
>>345468141
Or they can make them work with the skill queue
>>345468079
There's like a five second global cooldown, why would you need a macro?
I played this because of FFXI nostalgia. I didn't feel anything when I canceled my sub to this. Once you get to the end of a patch just quit until the next one comes out. Doing the end game content is a fucking drag.
>>345467890
Same reason they have extremely limited storage space and a 2.5 second GCD, because they're server cost jews
>>345463354
The storyline is the content though?
Kys wowfag, isn't your new expansion coming out sometime soon?
>>345467890
>constantly brag to poors in-game that I have 3 houses when they complain about all the new housing being bought up in 20 minutes
>Tell them I worked harder and deserve it more
>Maximum salt
>I don't even own a house
>>345468318
So I can get in more sleep during that 8 year GCD
>>345463354
>Why the fuck do I have to play through the base game to get to the expansion content? Why can't I just immediately skip to the endgame content?
>>345468091
I'm taking a long break from the game
plus its got all the memories I had while playing the game for a year - any other MMO enables the user to keep hold of shit like that. Like having a time capsule. But no, SE make you destroy half the furnishings in your house
>>345468229
If you could macro skills in a secuence paople would bind full combos to one single key. DRG would be played with 3 fucking keys that way and ninjas would macro mudra combinations to unleash the jutsu directly.
>>345468358
>Extremely limited storage
>Over 400 slots
C'mon man. Even if you're an omnicrafter like me you still have lots of space.
>>345468378
>Singleplayer is the content in this MMO
Yeah I'd actually prefer WoW over this garbage, and I have never touched WoW.
>>345467890
>>345468183
>>345468191
It's not PS3 limitations you retards. They don't want to pay for more instance servers.
>>345465671
>leave area
>sit through loading screen to get to new area
>there's no instancing
>>345468506
No you couldnt, because it would always use the first skill in the macro after the gcd is done. The game doesnt have castsequence as far as I know.
Unless they added a cooldown longer than the gcd to every skill in the combos.
>>345468473
Then pick up your furniture, sell your house and take a break from the game.
I mean if we want to go the 'other mmo' route, every other MMO with limited housing required you to pay rent in order to keep it. I'm surprised it took them this long to put in a relinquish system.
>>345468664
That's not how an instance works retard. An instance is a dungeon where there's a copy for everyone, a zone/town can't be a copy for everyone else.
>>345467007
Who the fuck thought positioning would be fun? It's fucking tedious.
Major mistake with the expansion was locking the new classes into it, instead of letting them be played from level 1.
Someone told me ffxi went f2p.
Steam page denies this
Is it still alive either way?
>>345468807
I think positionals make the game less boring.
>Press X to frontal backstab in WoW for full damage
>>345468621
Heavensward has more PVE content than WoD.
>>345468924
And that is relevant to the post your replied to how?
>>345468924
None of it is interesting though.
At least blizzard can somewhat keep the casuals in check, in FF XIV you have to share your hard earned gear with casual shitters two months after getting it.
>>345468914
Something like a backstabbing makes sense. By why do all of the monk abilities need positionals? None of them are like a backstab.
>>345468849
Define "Alive"
>>345468807
>Who the fuck thought positioning would be fun? It's fucking tedious.
Because staying still not moving and just pressing my 28 skills in perfect secuence would be boring as fuck. Positioning makes the game more fun and less static. People's always cryiing because the 2,5gcd maymay but they don't understand you have to move every 2 skills to strike in the correct position.
What the fuck were they thinking with all this ability clutter? How are controllerfags supposed to keep up with keyboard+mouse players? This is literally the worst game design ever in a MMO.
>>345467807
Wait, is that what that shit near the Astroligician's guild is? I thought I noticed some changed dialogue.
>>345469149
Actually I find it easyer to play with Controller.
Pic is NOT MY BUILD (is a bit retarded).
>>345468924
>more content than WoD
That is not a hard feat given they only had a patch or two before Legion release. Also:
>Weeping Shitty enjoyable after the first week
>Same 4-boss floors every even patch
>Implying A3S wasn't the last good boss fight since T9
I hope everyone is ready for their shitty patch tomorrow where everyone gets bored of PoTD within a day.
>>345469080
The whole point of Monk is to do the best single target damage in the entire game. But if you want to do that, you have to work for it. If you're lazy, go play Ninja. They attack as fast as Monk but have way less positionals/buffs to worry about, so to compensate they do the worst personal damage out of all melee DPS.
>>345469149
It's not that hard senpai, they did a pretty good job of making it work with a controller
t.controller shitter
>>345468924
>HW has more content than a game that hasn't updated in over a year
I'd fucking hope so
>>345469149
I find MNK much easier to play with a controller.
>>345469149
What?
You actually have less trouble binding everything on a controller,theres a fuckton of space with all the trigger modifiers,way easier than keyboard unless you have an mmo mouse
>>345469080
It could be argued that the kicks/punches you use are better suited to inflict maximum damage when hitting a specific area.
Although, I can't think of too many punches/kicks where maximum damage is applied at the rear.
>>345469291
>"work for it"
>easiest dps job in the entire gamet. monk main
>>345467986
The main story quest is YOUR story, not theirs.
The only reason it's a problem now is because of how much easier they made levelling up, removing the need to group up and redo instances.
>>345469451
It honestly is the easiest DPS class. You can literally do 1-2-3 and hit over 1K dps without using any other skills or even positionals.
Meanwhile if you fuck up the rotation of a BLM you're eating shit.
>>345469080
Dragoon is supposed to pierce on diferent spots of the enemy with the lance.
Monk is hitting diferent body parts with punches and kicks.
Ninja is based on speed and surprise strikes from the flank, rear and even the front.
It makes sense for me.
>>345469149
MNK is probably one of the classes with the least clutter, too.
>>345469451
Ninja is easier.
>70s greased lightning
>mainly pressing 1-2-3 with ogcds every 20-90s
>3 long debuffs (2 if you have a warrior in the group)
>>345469552
>The main story quest is YOUR story, not theirs.
Again, that's a pretty shit design in a game that's supposed to be an MMO.
But hah, not like game devs ever give a fuck about making a game suitable to its genre anymore.
>>345469587
>if you fuck up the rotation of a BLM
>John fucking Madden.
does anyone know if you can de-rank in the feast? like if I go below 900 will I drop back down to silver from gold?
>>345469587
Not only that, but the skill ceiling is probably the lowest. The only "depth" MNK has is knowing when to use fracture, and that's 1% of your dps or less.
Red Mage FUCKING WHEN?
>>345469587
I see Monks who do 1-2-3 and never move from one spot and they hardly do more damage than a Bard
>>345469698
>(2 if you have a warrior in the group)
And he's not fucking retarded.
>>345469451
You still have to make an effort to constantly move to do top damage.
Meanwhile Ninja can literally stay in one spot for an entire minute and it wouldn't affect their DPS at all.
>>345469801
my nigga
day -1 resub if they announce RDM
>>345469829
I parsed. I do 1100 damage without any cooldowns or positionals at iLevel 225.
They must be doing something wrong.
>>345469709
You would understand it if you played the game.
The first job is leveled up with the "single player" story, yes. But you have to do other multiplayer content to get enought exp like fates or dungeons.
Also every important part of the plot has a mandatory 4-man/8-man dungeon.
You never have the feeling that you are playing alone. It's just an MMO with cutscenes. The big mistake they did was locking zones in Heavensward and Yoshida said that was a problem they would solve in the future.
>>345469709
Well, no, that's just your opinion.
>it's online multiplayer so everything should involve other people!
Completely naive. How does is the act of running around doing fetch quests enhanced by having another person tagging along doing the exact same thing? There's literally no reason for that to need a group.
What is the fucking point of Machinist ammo having a duration? Monk Chakra and Scholar Aetherflow doesn't have a duration, why do bullets suddenly expire after 30 seconds? Is there an actual lore reason for this or are the game developers just stupid?
What's that MMO diseases called where you've quit a MMO and enjoyed your time with it but you played it for so long and so regularly that being away from it leaves a sad well inside your heart, beckoning you to return, but you never do because you remember all about the game and how it's no longer as fun as it was or ever will be as it did then?
>>345469149
>three rows of 12 easily accessible keys
Oh, sure, that's so many abilities.
>two palettes of 8 keys
>an additional extra two palettes of 8 keys
>the ability to quickly swap to another set of two palettes with their own sub-palettes if you set it up that way
>>345470330
Because they are bullets powered up with aether, and remember aether vanishes in a few seconds.
>>345470227
>FATEs
>Multiplayer
lol no.
>>345470237
Constantly splitting you up from other people you may be playing the game with is absolute shit multiplayer design. Are you an absolute blithering retard or do you suck SE's dick so hard you've forgotten what a real game is like?
>>345470474
It is called "realisation"
>>345469952
You're doing positionals consistently as you level monk so it's really not an issue at all.
>>345470474
The same with all MMO disease. Autism.
>>345466345
Final Steps of Faith is mandatory to progress in the story and people still wipe at the DPS check phase.
I've seen groups wipe not because they died to the adds or got cleaved by the monster in the middle, it was because their actual DPS was fucking horrible (Ninja dropping huton, Summoner doesn't even have pet out, Dragoon never has BotD up, etc).
I wish they would lock content behind SSS dummies. If you can't beat a dummy, you shouldn't even be attempting this fight.
>>345470474
In spanish we have an expression for that and Google Trans translated it as drug withdrawal
>>345470635
So why doesn't aetherflow vanish in a few seconds?
>>345470823
Curious, what's the word in Spanish?
>>345470679
>Doing post lvl 20 fates alone
Good luck.
>>345470823
What's the word? I sorta speak spanish and never heard of it.
>>345470815
Those skills aren't even required to pass the piss-easy DPS test. You can do 900 DPS with every DPS and 300 DPS with each tank and NO DPS from the healers, and still pass.
>>345470907
"tener mono de...". It's an expression.
>>345470904
B-because summoners can hold the aether on themselves and that's w-why they can summon egis.
>>345467764
I misunderstood what you meant. That doesn't keep it from being open world. It's no different than gta
>>345470914
Are you fucking serious? The FATEs even lower the difficulty to be doable for solo players when there's no FATE trains going on. And beyond that all you need is you chocobo out.
>>345469617
>Is supposed to
No. The positional combat is a remnant of an earlier design concept, where classes would operate optimally from specific ranges and positions
They never fleshed it out properly and the current incarnation is what we got instead. There was actually a lot of cool concepts in 1.0 that would have been neat if they were fleshed out properly. Shame the game got canned and they made WoW instead
So when are you guys quitting FFXIV?
>>345463952
Falseflagging autist.
>>345471124
Actually, yes; when the game stops you from being able to head to different areas of the world, it stops being 'open world'.
>>345471212
I quit a while ago. Waiting for XV and then Zodiac Age.
>>345471212
4.0 if it ends up being 2.0 mk3. And knowing these guys, it's going to be.
>>345470679
You're not doing the quests with them, you're doing them alongside them. I'm sorry you don't understand the distinction, or why it matters.
>>345468664
You're retarded, my man.
>>345470815
They just have to keep requeueing until they get carried. Also keep in mind that with each patch, gear makes these things even easier.
>>345471478
Yes I know you're not actually playing with other people when doing this MMO. That's the fucking point.
>>345471023
>You can do 900 DPS with every DPS and 300 DPS with each tank and NO DPS from the healers, and still pass.
Dude, you underestimate Duty Finder.
We're talking about people who stand in fire and have no concept of how well they are doing.
>>345467007
Its worse for DRG
>You really should keep heavy thrust up, its a free 15% boost to-
>Dont tell me how to play my job
>>345471212
If they don't add any new stats to gear in 4.0. Speed/Crit/Det are all the same fucking thing and unless you're a bard there's no reason to favor one over the other.
Wait, are Nin's that bad? I just recently got NIN up to level 60. Am I Fucked?
>>345468079
Youre fucking stupid
>/ac "Action 1"
>/wait GCDtime
>/ac "Action 2"
>>345471668
Wish there was something like this available for PS4 users. I have no idea if I'm doing any good at all as a Ninja.
>>345471668
>Drg died 3 times
like poetry
>>345470815
>Final Steps of Faith is mandatory to progress in the story and people still wipe at the DPS check phase.
How? I remember doing it the first day and it was almost impossible to fuck up the DPS check.
>Summoner doesn't even have pet out
As a SMN main this is hurting me more than it fucking should.
>>345471668
I do parse and am fully aware of how shit groups are.
At that level anyone who does below 1k dps is an unrelenting shitter.
>>345471668
>Dead 3
>Watch the job
>DRG
Never change FFXIV.
How do I git gud at crafting?
>>345471973
If nobody is calling you names on party chat you are ok.
>>345471973
Here you go familia
http://ffxiv.2digitalgames.de/
>>345471634
The point is that not everything requires other people, which is a good thing, because otherwise we'd have people stuck behind arbitrary barriers for no good reason except for "well it's an MMO, you play it with other people!". Story quests are almost the only thing in this game you're expected to do alone.
>>345471212
Back after I cleared the first chunk of Savage Alex, so sometime last year I think? I dunno the gear treadmill was just way too blatant for me at that point and I didn't care a ton about leveling crafting after I already slogged through gathering, or doing guild airship shit while I waited for more content to actually happen. So I just stopped logging in one day and didn't renew my subscription.
Oh, on the off chance Rok is reading this, sorry for vanishing, you were like the one cool guy in the guild.
What's the /v/ guild on Excalibur, and where is their FC house?
pic unrelated
>>345471863
NIN is good. They may have lower personal damage than Monk, but they make up for it by Trick Attack party dps contribution and their utility (dancing edge, goad, shadewalker, etc)
>>345463354
>hurrr I don't want 100 hours of content
Blizzdrones everyone.
>>345463354
Because the story wouldn't make sense otherwise? Idiot.
>>345472559
>100 hours of fetch quest and terrible translations
fixed
>>345471212
when 4.0 announces they aren't dropping PS3
So this October.
>>345471973
Get a PCfriend to parse you. Alternatively you could work it out from SSS dummies if you know their max HP. The "basic training" dummy has 164,960.
Why do people always care about accessing new expansions RIGHT NOW when they haven't played the base game yet?
Like, there's an entire game for you to enjoy and you just want to get to the expansion?
>>345471973
Get a friend on PC to parse your DPS for you
>>345468787
The zones in ffxiv are just big ass instances shared with all players. Its not open world if there are loading screens in the overworld. Deal with it retard.
>>345472238
LTW 50, CRP 50, CUL 34, WVR 50, BSM 50, GSM 54, ALC 50.
Think that's about it.
>>345472758
WoWfags have been conditioned that old content is bad and new content is good.
>>345472819
just stop posting
FFXIV will strangle itself to death because of the way its set up. I quit playing for a few months and tried to come back, and the amount of content I had to slog through just didn't feel worth it, and I haven't been back since.
I can't imagine I'm the only one, and it's only going to get worse.
>>345473027
how is content bad?
>>345473118
He's used to WoW.
>>345472758
Because an actual single player MMO is a slog I wouldn't wish on anyone.
If you could actually do the story instance shit as a group it'd be fine, but you can't. Shit gets real old real fast, especially since you HAVE to do it even if you level ahead of your story through dungeons or some shit, it's all just a bunch of shitty mini-instances and fetch quests.
I caught up right before Heavensward came out but imagine being a new player an expansion or two from now and having to play through all that shit.
>have to play the game to play the game
>>345473118
Sorry, I should have clarified, because content isn't a bad thing, but the way FFXIV is set up makes much of the content a chore before you can actually participate in the game with other players. I can't imagine a reasonable person defending that.
>>345472819
Except instances can't be modified when there are 0 players inside that area. For example, everyone in a group shares the same Sastasha instance but once everyone leaves then that Sastasha instance is forever gone.
Even when there's 0 players in North Thanalan, it doesn't disappear or stay static. There are still FATEs, gathering nodes, hunt monsters, and a weather cycle all doing their own thing despite having no players inside the zone.
>>345472649
>Still playing Heavensward on PS3
How?? How can you do that to yourself? My gosh get the pc version for 15 bucks or the PS4 one.
>>345473207
>I caught up right before Heavensward came out but imagine being a new player an expansion or two from now and having to play through all that shit.
This is why the game will die. It has nothing to do with how good a game FFXIV is - the game has no potential for drawing in new players in the attention span of a regular gamer.
>Want to do a 'social experiment' where I don't DPS during dungeons and count how often people complain about it
>Do this for 5 minutes
>Start feeling bad
>Start DPSing
How can you people even stand this?
>>345472474
There is no /v/ community on Excalibur is long dead. t. original master who migrated to Sargatanas with just as dead of a /v/ community.
>>345473449
My laptop has worse specs than PS3 and PS4 is still expensive where I live.
>>345472854
This. Gotta go fast and skip content.
>>345473207
>imagine being a new player an expansion or two from now and having to play through all that shit
Hell I have 4 characters at level 60. It is a pain and a bore but at least it's not doing the same 2 dungeons every day.
>>345473507
Th-Thanks
>>345472758
Because of WoW. Most of the MMOrpg players played WoW as firs MMO (like me) and they are used to the "RUN TO MAX LEVEL TO DO THE LATEST RAID!!!!" way of thinking. When you tell them in FFXIV you have to do a lot of pre-expansion content they will cry and not understand how is that allowed on an mmo.
I have seen people crying because "Titan Hard was so hard, why it was mandatory content".
There's a dragoon in my FC, guy is level 58 and he asks thursday night "how do I get a retainer"
>>345473642
>Making multiple characters in XIV
But why?
>>345473740
So you can ERP as multiple races and genders.
Also probably autism.
>>345473320
So you just told me its persistent instancing.
>>345473692
I wouldn't be complaining about the main story content if it was actually any good. The actual story part can be alright when it's not veering off into filler for 10 levels or a patch or two, but the gameplay parts of the story are almost never good. It's literally just the same quests as the rest of the game except with a lot more teleporting back to HQ, except you're not even allowed to play with friends for half of it.
It's not a matter of "rushing to endgame", it's slogging through a mountain of shit that you're required to go through to actually see the whole game.
>>345473818
Persistent zone ≠Instance zone
>>345473642
>Hell I have 4 characters at level 60
>>345474034
now you are just baiting. a zone can be instanced even if its persistent. Just move from one zone to another and tell me if there is a loading screen.
>>345473740
Different specializations for crafting, able to own more houses (I have 4), and I just get bored of doing endgame content sometimes so I'll log onto an alt.
>>345473812
This too.
Name a more comfy place than the Church of Saint Adama Landama.
Protip:You can't.
>>345473478
I tried doing this experiment and people notice right away and tell me to start helping or get kicked.
You can get away with not DPSing in a 24 man raid though. People don't notice it easily as they do in 4 man dungeons.
>>345474085
I also have another 4 at level 50.
>>345473715
How could you live without the space until level 58?
>>345473642
>I have 4 characters at level 60
>>345474212
>a zone can be instanced even if its persistent
that makes no sense
>>345474373
By throwing out shit that doesn't matter, namely almost everything (unless you're a crafter).
>>345474448
fucking idiot. its just an instance that doesnt close or end after you leave it.
>>345474448
It makes full sense. Game has persistent instanced areas shared with all the players.
Just like Azeroth and Outlands.
>>345474212
Then I suppose wow world is also persitent instanced, the instance is a lot bigger obviously, but you have for example, kalimdor and the eastern kingdoms as separate massive persistent instances...
>>345474673
You could say so.
Its really curious how ff-fags take wow as another example. Its almost like they didnt know any other games.
>>345474480
>By throwing out shit that doesn't matter
It all matters.
>>345474552
>>345474584
>>345474673
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instance_dungeon
>In massively multiplayer online games, an instance is a special area, typically a dungeon, that generates a new copy of the location for each group, or for certain number of players, that enters the area.
Traveling from Limsa Lominsa to Lower La Noscea doesn't generate a new instance
>>345474863
No, those 3 boar skins, 2 raptor skins and 3 diremite sinew you have in there can be tossed out.
>>345474974
Are you idiot? You searched INSTANCE DUNGEON retard. We were talking about instanced areas.
>>345474974
>typically a dungeon, that generates
>typically
its funny how you ignored a word for the benefit of your argument. Besides that article is about instance dungeons. Not instancing in general.
>>345475116
>reading comprehension
it doesn't have to be a dungeon retard
>>345474821
okay then I will use another example, Aion is the exact same as ff14 in that regard, you have bigger areas, totally separated, and even the abyss is all persistent instanced.
Guild wars 2 example is also easier, the zones are also really big but are still clearly separated by portals, you can even swim to another zone, you have to step in the portal to move.
Im using wow as an example because its the most common mmo to talk aboutwow-fag
>>345474974
>Traveling from Limsa Lominsa to Lower La Noscea doesn't generate a new instance
BECAUSE IT'S CONSISTENT YOU IDIOT.
>>345475194
>>345475141
t. dumbass jits who can't comprehend
>>345475176
All of those games have instanced worlds.longest time i've ever subbed to wow was 2months and even that was a mistake
>>345475176
Here's an example of an actual zone-instance.
>Overworld zone 1 is full
>Zone 2 is included to handle the overload
Guild Wars 2 had that as well so yes, it's an instanced MMO.
Why do WoWfags post in FFXIV threads instead of playing WoW?
An instance creates a copy of a place for every different party.
Zones aren't instances. That's like calling Skyrim's open world an instance because there are loading screens between towns.
>>345475464
With that argument, then both wow and ffxiv share the same type of world structure, because neither of them creates a copy of an overworld zone even if its really packed with people.
>>345475515
because those two are the biggest mmos right now
>>345474994
>>345463354
>2.5s GCD IS TOO SLOW, THIS HAS TO BE THE SLOWEST FINAL FANTASY GAME EVER
>WHY MUST I PLAY THROUGH A 100+ HOUR STORY IN A GAME SERIES KNOWN FOR LONG STORIES?
>>345475194
>>345475141
itt braindead autists who don't understand what the word "instanced" means
all of you need to neck yourself immediately
>>345472474
The only /v/ FC I know of is Golden Ratio <ZR> on Ultros.Because I'm in it.
>>345471941
you can add <waitGCDtime> at the end of an action so the wait time doesn't take up a line on it's own. Don't remember if you need to add a space after wait or a . but it works like this as well.
>>345475838
This'll really blow your mind. I throw shit out if it's worth less than 2k gil in total.
>>345476052
Not him, but I refuse to throw out glamour items. I worked hard to collect them. Some of these items also have very expensive dyes on them (pure white dye goes for 400k per on my server)
Really wish this game had a glamour log.
>>345469952
>entire minute
And here we have someone who doesn't actually play ninja.
DRG or NIN?
>>345476378
WOW HOLY SHIT DUDE NICE, THIS IS TOTALLY NOT A FISHY AS FUCK SITE.
>>345470474
abstience
>>345476352
guess again nigga
>>345463354
>why can't I join in late and start with all the new stuff
Get cancer, kid.
>>345474239
Mist
>>345476327
I understand the glamour game, but you have 25 slots for each item in armory. It can still be spicy to work with... but to be honest, if you haven't worn an outfit in 6 months, is it really that important?
I'm not asking if it pleases your autism, but I know a lot of people who play the glamour game and I see them wear an outfit for 2 weeks before moving on to the next.
The best was this person who was saving up for a house, and then buys a 6 million gil helmet, and I've never seen them wear it again.
>>345475901
I find it funny that people seriously complain about the game being slow.
Were people really expecting Devil May Cry combat in a turn based series?
>>345475515
+13 months with no content. THey have literally nothing to do at this point.
>>345476723
Uhhh... isn't FFXIII and forward heavily action oriented?
>>345476819
Nope. The only "action" oriented FF will be XV and it's just "hold one button and the game plays by itself".
>>345476638
Do you still refresh huton with ninjitsu or something
>>345476819
FFXIII is still turn based and even FFXV still has "wait" periods.
>>345476947
>>345476907
Fair enough. Legit never played them but they LOOKED like they weren't turn based anymore.
>>345476921
yes
I'm the same ninja who uses doton on single targets
>>345476496
MNK
>>345476496
I'd say DRG. Probably the best melee DPS.
>>345477646
haha no really, DRG or NIN?
>>345477732
MNK
>>345477732
NIN for gotta go fast and utility
DRG if you're slow but like big numbers
Both are not a bad choice
>>345476723
>Game is too slow waaah
>Wait why is no one talking at all during dungeon runs
>>345465997
underrated post
>>345477732
>repeating my question
this game is really grossly average for me at this point and I really only play it to raid, which gets dull within the first hour.
That being said the game leading up to the endgame is actually very fun to play.
I really hope the next expansion brings some interesting classes because they really fucked up with the new classes on HW, especially the new healer.
>>345478910
>I really hope the next expansion brings some interesting classes
How can it? They pigeonholed themselves with extremely basic jobs. Please look forward to the next WAR or BLM/SMN clone.
>>345478910
There's nothing wrong with AST
I did it.
>>345466220
>>345463767
>Scholars can do great damage and I'm barely taking any damage so feel free to enter Cleric Stance and dps.
>I almost die over and over because the guy tries healing in CS.
>In the end he drops it and never enters it again.
>Lvl 53 Scholar.
What the fuck? What has he been doing up until that point? He clearly cross-classed CS but he never even touched it or read the tooltip?
