![hirez05det[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/V0flXgL.jpg "hirez05det[1].jpg")
The first game is just amazing, an extremely well done platformer, no guns, no bullshit, just 3 or 4 cool races/vehicle sections, some shooting with that gren echo shit and that is it. 9/10 game, I wish I had discovered it in 2001 not now.
Jak 2, a shitty GTA 3 wannabe, muh weapons, muh open world, muh vehicles, muh dark story... disgusting. Could never play for more than 2 hours.
Jak 3, more of the same, now it's a Mad Max wannabe, not sure if I want to keep playing this shit. Till now it's much better than the abomination Jak 2 is but still is a million lightyears away from J&D.
They wanted to mature the series and the GTA audience
There was some divide over how it was going but both parties agreed the decision to give Jak a voice was a good one
>>345463931
>>>
youre the one baiting, stupid minority.
All the Jak games are good.
>>345463065
J&D is the best platformer of its generation and the PS2 was the best console for 3d platformers.
Jak 2 and 3 rode the GTA fad.
The 2nd one is still a great game if you don't consider the city free roaming.
Haven't played the 3rd.
Nothing, 1,2, and are all fantastic games that really can't be appreciated unless you played the series as they came out. Only thing I didn't really like was 3's ending, but it was serviceable enough to not make me bitter over it.
>>345463065
not much really
You don't even have an actual argument as to why the other 2 games are objectively bad
>>345464012
>minority
people loved the Jak games, and have been screaming for Jak 4 for years.
all this jak 2 and 3 hate is recent
>>345464175
>if you don't consider the city free roaming.
it really isnt, its more of a hub world, unless there are events that happen in the city
Naughty Dog has ALWAYS moved their game genres to whatever is popular at the time, and usually does a good job with them. The style and gameplay shift from J&D to Jak 2 was from Naughty Dog trying to appeal to GTA fans since it was getting huge at the time. And for what it was, Jak 2 and 3 were still pretty good, just in different ways. The only reason J&D was a great platformer was because platforming was still the popular genre at the time.
>>345463065
i played all 3 of them as a kid and they were all absolutely amazing and definitely among my favourite games of that time.
if only naughty dog was still creatingfungames.. oh well.
Jak 2 & 3 were good
Daxter for psp was pretty fun.
I'M
>>345465602
GONNA
MARRY
PRAXIS
>>345465967
Forgot to mention that the guns and overall the shooting mechanics are fucking garbage, even Ratchet and Clank 1 was better in that regard.
Ratchet and Clank were the better trilogy
only in the PS1 era, crash and spyro were neck to neck (but i feel i liked spyro more justcause of the atmosphere)
naughty dog blew insomniac the fuck out with uncharted though while they made shitty resistance games and i dunno what else
hope the new spiderman is good
Hi there sonygers !
I just played all the Jack games last year and they are all fucking boring, unlike any Nintendo or Rareware platformer.
>>345463065
Thanks for reminding me of this series OP. Gonna go replay it.
>>345466984
>Resistance
>shitty
>movie "games" blowing anything the fuck out
>>345467190
you played the wrong games, anon. they're called jak, not jack.
>>345467201
>meme
>>345466984
Resistance 1 and 3 were good.
>>345466881
With the exception of lock-on and strafing, I found J&K 2 and 3 slightly better in that regard because you were able to chain the melee attacks and guns into same combo. In R&C (at least the original trilogy from what I remember) the wrench was more of a novelty weapon with the exception of R&C3's timed melee only power up, and most of the time you were doing nothing but strafe jumping in actual fights.
>>345463065
Well there's the black elf...
Literally a treefucker that steals your shit.
What game is this, anyway?
>>345463065
If you didn't think Jak 2 was better than Jak and daxter you are the problem with video games you infantile hugbox safe space needing mental child.
>>345463065
The only people that genuinely like Jak 2 and 3 are those who grew up with it. In regards to the series, the only one worth playing is 1 (although the game is babby's first platformer, it makes up for it in atmosphere and setting)
1 and 3 are worth beating. 1 was indeed the best though. I miss this game and with there were games like it in our current day. Everything now just focuses on being an MMO :/
>>345467769
steady on with the buzzwords bro
I could not sit through the first jak and daxter after playing ratchet and clank. Banjo kazooie would blush at all the shit you have to collect to advance the plot.
>>345466881
T H I S
H
I
S
Ratchet fans on /v/ tend to shit on the first game for its lame combat controls, yet the Jak sequels were far worse.
>>345467786
>The only people that genuinely like Jak 2 and 3 are those who grew up with it
>assuming this hard
>>345467903
get a life, manchild
>>345468069
That is a huge assumption.
I only had Jak 2 when the PS2 was my main system. It was shit. Then I got to play Jak 1 and I'm mad I didn't get to play it sooner.
The second game is a fantastic game that plays its grittiness with a well done execution.
>>345468069
Tell me then how you could like Jak 2&3 as an adult
>>345468250
lol
>>345464507
>Jak 2 & 3 hate is recent
What the fuck? No it isn't. Anyone alive when they came out knew that the only reason they were made like that is because of the competition and popularity of Ratchet and Clank combined with the sudden rise of the GTA series. It was pandering to a different audience, not the audience that enjoyed the first game.
>>345468172
>my anecdotal evidence proves my assumption
even worse
>>345468347
This. Clearly this. You could see they were competing with R&C and GTA with the cover art alone. Disgusting.
>>345468347
>>345468427
that isnt hate
you can understand and know all of that and still enjoy the game, which people did.
all this hate for them didnt happen until recently
Naughty Dog going mature happened.
>>345468427
>>345468347
As a Ratchetfag myself I think it's hilarious how much it backfired.
Jak threw away its identity and niche to chase the big bucks of more popular franchises and threw away everything good it had going as well.
>>345468485
Are you stupid? Why would people "suddenly" hate a game as old as these games? The only reason you think it's sudden is because you were too fucking retarded to notice the hate before now.
I've always thought Jak 1 was amazing with how it played and how they managed to make a seamless world so early in the PS2's life.
I liked Jak 2 back in the day but playing the HD collection made me realise Jak 3 was more varied.
I'd still love to play a proper sequel but Jak 4 somehow turned into The Last of Us, so fuck knows what they were doing with it there.
>>345467201
lol
>>345468580
>but Jak 4 somehow turned into The Last of Us, so fuck knows what they were doing with it there.Neil Druckmann
>>345463065
>that one mission in jak 3 where you need to chase down bandits in the dune buggy, into some little fortress then chase them all before time runs out
I hit a tiny rock and my car flipped over when I was so close to beating it, and my car wouldn't flip back again no matter what I did. Legitimately the only time I broke a controller
>>345468737
>(((Neil Druckmann)))
ftfy
fuck I just sneezed five times and my brain feels like it flew out of my nose in chunks
>>345468573
>Why would people "suddenly" hate a game as old as these games?
why do people "hate" Ocarina of Time now? back then everyone loved it, but only recently has there been a growth of hate around it
>>345468779
Nobody hates OoT, they are just beginning to see it age badly. It was good for it's time, people continued to "love" it because it is a classic and people love to fit in with the crowd, and then the tide shifted once the game showed its age more and more. It's not something that happens overnight.
>>345468897
I hate it
>>345468569
I think that might have been because of Jack Rubin leaving the company? He and the other big guy made Jak what it was. Jak 2 just plain shits on the original. and I mean it's fucking retarded how much they wanted a totally new game they just decided "ok fuck it, lets make a teleporter that sends them into an alternate reality where the enemies of the previous game now talk to you and are your friend and everyones content with that". Are you fucking serious Naughty Dog? They completely shit the bed in making sequel.
ND pls stop le "muh realism" and make Jak 4 thxx
>>345468737
>>345468580
They realized fans would've hated it
>>345469157
The "original" ND team left at Jak X. Which is probably why that game was a shit, buggy mess.
>>345469449
>The Jak and Daxter franchise holds a special place in many hearts at Naughty Dog
KEK who do they think they're fooling
>>345469449
That makes sense I suppose.
I wonder what made them go for the more realistic look
>>345469851
Because they felt the kids wanted muh realism despite the fact Ratchet was doing just fine on PS3 and even PS4 now.
>>345469449
If they were going for a more realistic game with better shooting, I'd be fine with that. The world needs more games with stupid crazy weapons and platforms.
>>345463065
Jak 2 & 3 were better than 1 though. Of course the /v/hivemind will say different
>>345469449
>muh realism
>muh touching story
oh fuck off
Regarding the OP, all Jak games are fucking solid. The writing took a bad turn in Jak 2 regarding Jak character, probably one of the most cringe worthy shit I've witnessed in video games, but the gameplay was tight.
Hell even Jak X was good enough, even though, yeah..
Anyway I'll never purchase another Naughty Dog game that's not J&D, that's in the book of grudge and that's not going out any time soon
>>345469449
Are they dumb? I mean Ratchet PS4 is wonderful and these cunts still think "If it's not realistic, it's a regression"
ND became huge graphic whores holy shit
>>345470326
>But the gameplay was tight
Not true.
>>345469449
honestly, if Jak looked that way from the start I wouldnt have any problems, this version just looks TOO far off from the original
>>345470421
The Ratchet game on PS4 is one of the best looking games on the console though.
>>345470421
Being a graphics whore isn't a problem. Ratchet PS4 looks amazing even with the cartoon style.
ND just seem to think graphics = realism when that isn't necessarily the case.
Here's Daxter
>>345468251
Maybe because I have different opinions than you do? Is it really this hard to get that other people have different taste?
>>345470927
Daxter looks okay
Well, the minigame in Jak II where you're Daxter playing whack-a-mole was atrocious.
And Jak 3 was kind of underwhelming and obvious.
>>345471167
The pacman thing in Jak 3 was awful. I have no idea how you can fuck up pacman.
>>345470927
The top 2 are probably the most acceptable.
Having him be a real animal on all fours would have to mean he could no longer speak, and thus you kill the character. And the other designs would just be unsettling.
>>345463065
Jak 1 is amazing
Jak 2 is garbage
Jak 3 is good
>>345463065
It's a franchise from the 2000s, when videogames were all about being edgy and fun was dead.
Where the fuck is all the hate coming from. Jak and Daxter has been consistently good, minus Lost Frontier.
>>345471534
The Jak sequels weren't good though. That's the problem.
>>345470927
God, the only ones that are even remotely acceptable are the two at the top
>>345471452
Jak 2 had hoverskates for the love of god, the game was mostly taking the piss out of its own setting
>>345471452
The Jak games were fun though. As were Ratchet & Clank and Sly Cooper.
When I was 14, I loved Jak II and considered it one of my favorite games of that year. Jak 3 impressed me just as much when it came out the next year.
I'm wondering if they still hold up.
>>345471427
>>345471452
>>345471167
>>345470326
>>345468347
>all of these neo contrarians hating on Jak 2 because he was edgy after being TORTURED AND TIED DOWN FOR 2 YEARS STRAIGHT
Fucking kill yourselves. Do you have any idea what its like to be tortured and experimented on nonstop for 2 years? How fucking autistic are you inbreds to not be able to empathize with someone who has been tortured?
>>345472221
What kind of writer opens a kids game by torturing the main character?
>>345472221
What do you expect? /v/ will literally shit on anything somebody mentions having a liking for, even obscure as fuck games just to piss off the few people that may like a certain thing.
>>345472221
It's more about the dramatic shift in setting, which is reasonable. The thing is that this is just a superficial reading of the game, which is still humorous and more varied in gameplay than the original, refining its base.
>>345472335
For one, the torture is pretty tame, so it's not traumatizing unless you were such a pussy child that even something harmless like Power Rangers spooked you. Secondly, the game was bumped up to the teen crowd, so it wasn't exactly a kiddy game anymore.
>>345472335
Are you just pretending to be retarded? The game is Rated T for a reason
>>345472435
>more varied in gameplay than the original
Most of the new gameplay mechanics are pretty shitty though.
>>345469449
>>345470927
>>345472221
https://youtu.be/6RmsZ9vq-fM?t=6m51s
That's some of the stupidest shit I've seen in vidya, and I have just finished Resident Evil 4.
>>345472221
The thing is, Jak as a character gets considerably less edgy after the first few missions of Jak 2. Fuck, Jak 2 has about as much humor as the first game if not more.
I'm starting to think that all of these "Jak is edgy" complaints are coming from people who didn't complete the games or skipped through the cutscenes.
>>345472539
That's a matter of opinion. Plenty of people enjoyed the new driving and hoverboarding mechanics just fine.
>>345472539
The only part of it I would call shitty is the mecha part, which is pretty rushed in.
>>345472637
The hoverboard wasn't that bad actually. I liked the hoverboard.
The driving was shitty though and there wasn't much point to it.
>>345472221
CRAAAAAAWWWWWLING IN MY SKIIIIIIN
>>345472723
IM GONNA KILL PRAXIS
loved jak and daxter
hated jak 2 and 3
I still replay jak and daxter atleast once a year, I dont even wanna touch jak 2 and 3
>>345472621
>remembering all those goofy cutscenes of collecting the artifacts at the Mountain Temple
>every cutscene with Pecker in it
>people still called this game edgy
Did they just not make it past the first few missions?
>tfw Daxter's spinoff was better than any of the Jak sequels
>>345472896
Game was probably too hard for them so they came on here to shitpost about it instead
>>345472962
>>345472896
Anyone who complains about the edge is missing the point. There are much more valid reasons Jak 2 is a shitty game.
>>345463065
Jak and Daxter died in 2.
Just give it up and move on.
Goddamn man, the series had one good entry and a shitload of garbage ones. The only reason people keep bringing it up is because it was one of sony's few memorable IPs.
>>345473128
Daxter was alright while it lasted.
>>345473079
you sound like someone who couldnt beat the game and decided to come cry about it instead
Am I the only one who liked all three games? I mean the sudden change in tone is a bit weird, but Jak 2 and 3 still have platforming sections and humor.
>>345473329
most of the basement dwellers on /v/ dont like fun and they dont like sudden changes. I think its called neophobia.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neophobia
>>345473329
The platforming sections in 2 and 3 were good, but the scope was much more limited unfortunately. I wish there were more of it.
For all the hate Jak 2 gets, you have to at least respect that it is the first game to have no loading screens outside of loading a save.
>>345473215
To be fair, and this is coming from someone who loved Jak 2 & 3, some of the missions from 2 were pretty rage inducing. Thank god 3 toned down the difficulty to more manageable levels.
>>345473329
Nope. I loved all three games for what they were too. Fuck every game except X that came after them though.
>>345473329
A good amount of people in this thread alone like all 3
>>345463065
Oh look, another "Jak was bad" meme
>>345472578
>and I have just finished Resident Evil 4.
>Resident Evil 4
And guess what? BOTH games literally were taking the piss out of the genre they were set in. FFS, it's like you people think the game was 100% serious from start to finish.
>>345473451
Jak 1 had that and it was much more impressive because you didn't have the city wall doors or teleporters.
>>345473128
>the series had one good entry and a shitload of garbage ones.
That's your opinion, of which many will disagree with.
>>345473451
>What is Jak and Daxter
>What is obvious loading screens hidden as doors or gliding plataformers
>>345473329
they're alright but switching up to a divided experience probably kept the franchise from a higher quality
>>345473079
Yeah the shooting and driving could have been much better but the hoverboard sections were solid
>>345463065
4 words.
[/spoiler]I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS.[/spoiler]
>>345470927
the walking red panda designs are cute!
CUTE!
>>345473685
The only thing worth a damn was the hoverboard and the general platforming.
>>345473997
The shooting wasn't too bad either, though it was much better in Jak 3 where you had the upgrades and they felt more neatly integrated into Jak's unarmed attacks. Of course, the trade off of that appeared to be not as much Dark Jak moves, and the retarded removal of giant Dark Jak.
>>345474476
The shooting was bad, completely paled in comparison to Ratchet and Clank.
Much less flexible controls, less variety, and just too plain.
Jak 3 did fix that to an extent.
>>345474676
It wasn't meant to be like Ratchet & Clank, it was clearly more of an arcade shooter and it did that just fine.
>>345475821
>arcade shooter
What does that phrase even mean?
Nothing that I would ever consider to be an arcade shooter played like Jak 2 or 3.
>>345476110
Running and gunning, obviously. Hell, you had enough weapons to just switch to one if ammo got low, and always got ammo when it was needed.
>>345463065
J&D had no identity. It was a very generic platformer with nothing to make it any different than any of the other several dozen generic platformers except that it was one of the better ones. I like it but everything about it just felt very standard.
>B-B-BUT MUH GTAGTA was fucking great during that time period you hipster fucks.
Also it's been said but people that bitch about "I'M GONNA KILL PRAXIS!" never got that far through the game.
>>345476637
It had plenty of visual identity, you could look at the art and go "Oh hey, Jak and Daxter!"
But sure, it didn't have much beyond that like say R&C where you know it from the visuals and wacky weapons.
I haven't played these games in like 8 years
Hows the HD collection on ps3?
>>345477045
Not bad, though there are a few glitches and hiccups. The most glaring one is Kor with literal blackface in the scene before he reveals his Metalhead form.
Beyond that, it's a solid port like the Ico and Ratchet collections.
>>345477045
Great. Don't get the Vita ones unless you're a diehard fan.
>>345476834
>It had plenty of visual identity, you could look at the art and go "Oh hey, Jak and Daxter!"
Only if you are really familiar with it already. I'm talking about in that it had very little to really separate itself from the myriad of other colorful platformers. R&C established it's identity right away by it's heavy emphasis on weapon play. J&D really didn't have anything like that.
Jak 2 is where the series started to stand out more, though to some degree it did copy R&C. Still, it had plenty of platforming elements so it isn't like those were totally removed, which you would think listening to the fanbase.
>>345476637
>J&D had no identity
0/20
>>345463065
Naughty Dog slowly changed their focus.
Now they have matured featuring fat people in their games and place diversity as highly as gameplay, graphics and story.
They may be talented, but I don't find their games fun anymore.
>>345477312
It had plenty going for it that made it stand out against the rest. Enemies could follow you quite a ways from their set areas instead of snapping back to their designated spots after moving 10 feet from their automated path. And the series was the first to do near seamless load times by hiding the load-in with area transitions and teleportation.
>>345468347
>It was pandering to a different audience
I wouldn't call that pandering
>>345477432
Stick to nintendo, kiddie
>>345477597
It kind of was, though. They saw GTA was the hot shit at the time, said "Let's make the sequel like that!" and did so. It pandered to the GTA crowd.
Jak and Daxter was one of my favorite games as a kid. I recall being fucking blown away that there were no loading times. I had a lot of fun with Jak 2, but I realized even then that it was nothing like the original. It wasn't until I'd beaten the third game and witnessed the awful ending that I realized both titles were a huge step down from what J&D could have been. They're still alright, but incredibly dated compared to the first.
Such a shame. At least the original will always be there, though.
>>345477691
>false-flagging this hard
>>345477501
Few are gonna define it by "Oh the enemies followed you really far." They will define it by it's major gameplay mechanics and environment/'world'. Yeah you can identify it by it's characters but that can be done for any game (unless it's a shooter anyway).
Again, what mechanics did it have to separate itself in the same way that R&C did? Just "better gameplay mechanics" doesn't count when those are the same general mechanics as any standard platformer.
>>345477691
When Naughty Dog even said they had made Donut Drake for Uncharted 4 but decided to take him out because it wasn't mature enough, I'm pretty sure there's a problem.
>>345476237
Sounds like Ratchet and Clank to me. If anything ammo is more of a concern in Jak, with only four ammo pools and two weapon types that chew though ammo like crazy.
I thought 2 and 3 were okay. 3 was quite short but I remember having loads of fun in the warzones just fucking about with the abilities
Jak 3 is one of the best games ever fucking made
>good size open world
>lots of missions
>lots of side missions
>good character development
>wraps up story well
>actual decent writing
>good weapons, attacks and abilities
>good range of vehicles from cars to ships and even fucking mounts
Jak 3 is easily one of the best open world games even today, debate me.
>>345478443
Jak 3 is honestly pretty packed for its length.
You just rushed through it because it was so much fun.
>>345472221
You'd call me a "neo contrarian" for saying that ONE minigame within the larger game, that features several minigames, is objectively bad?
Okay, sweet. I got internet points!
>>345478346
Ratchet & Clank was straight up third-person shooter, though. And you could easily find yourself running out of preferred ammo for quite a while in some places. Not to mention you had a wider range weapons to take on situations however you wanted. Jak 2-3 was all about just running through levels, blasting and punching enemies like a 3D Contra with a pseudo-Disney looking guy with a goatee.
>>345479035
>Ratchet & Clank was straight up third-person shooter, though.
Not him but I wouldnt go that far.
It's just that the shooting and the platforming were separated in the R&C games while the Jak games managed to have them work together more.
>>345479035
>Not to mention you had a wider range weapons to take on situations however you wanted.
>>345476237
> Hell, you had enough weapons to just switch to one if ammo got low
What is it? What defines an "arcade shooter"? Few weapons or lots of weapons?
You can't even come up with something internally consistent,.
>>345463065
they stopped making them
>>345479254
Both merged them, just with some differences.
R&C would usually have few or no enemies in the heavier platforming sections, while Jak would fairly often have you running, blasting a mook, jumping to a platform to blast another guy, and repeating. Sometimes with a hazard to hurry you along the level.
>>345472621
The entire point of the game was that Jak grew up and had to wrestle with still being a shining example of a hero in a dark world.
>>345468347
well I guess it worked because I liked 2 just as much as 1. I was never a fan of silent protags or super bright and cheerful game world's with no real conflict
>>345468573
you sound like a bitter little pussy
>>345479367
I'm not being inconsistent. I said R&C is more of TPS because you had a huge arsenal of weapons and rarely ran low on stuff unless you stuck with a certain weapon, whereas Jak had only the four and encouraged you to switch between them while constantly moving around blasting and punching. It was very much like an arcade game with the more frenetic pace of fights.
>>345479767
I don't know why less weapon variety is supposed to be a good thing.
>>345470939
Taste is just a buzzword for when you have nothing good to say about a game.
>>345479942
The four guns were pretty distinct that even before the upgraded versions in Jak 3, you had plenty of choice for dealing with situations. Not to mention many of the Dark Jak abilities acted similar to things like grenades with the ground punch and the spinning blast move pretty much was the "fuck everything" button when you got surrounded.
I've never liked Jak 2/3. Felt too edgy, even when I was turning into an edgy teen.
>>345480242
They were distinct, sure. But they were't very exciting.
In Jak 2 you had a rifle, a shotgun, a machine gun and the purple one.
The first Ratchet game had about three times as many weapons and that and was still as heavy on quality platforming as the Jak sequels were.
>>345473329
No, you aren't alone. Did they have problems? Sure they did. But they were pretty solid games at the end of it all. Hell even the racing game was pretty good.
>>345480545
Depends on the person, for some the Jak weapons were fun enough. And given the Dark Jak powers (and later Light Jak in the third game), you had plenty of ways to fight enemies.
>>345480923
They were just so plain and boring to me.
Jak 3 fixed this, there was a lot of weapon variety in Jak 3, but the controls were still too imprecise.
They kinda-sorta fixed this by making a lot of the weapons AoE or homing attacks but I think it still just shows how tacked on the gunplay was in Jak 2 and 3.
>>345463065
jak x is fun as fuck, its the only one i care about
>>345478235
I'm a complete lardass and I loved doughnut drake.
>>345463065
I only beat Jak 2 and 3 but they were really fun games with good platforming and levels. You are just a fag that hates fun.
Not sure if 2 or 3 was better but I think I would lean towards 3 being the better game.
>>345468573
>Are you stupid? Why would people "suddenly" hate a game as old as these games?
Welcome to /v/ you stupid fuck.
In case you didn't notice contrarian opinions here come in waves, mostly to ruse gullible idiots like yourself.
Your explanation as to why the 2 other games are bad is just meme spewing bullshit, fuck off and come back when you can actually critique right, instead of circlejerking the first game like every other parrot on /v/ does.
>>345469102
go to bed Arin
>>345482427
"Ding, ding... Third floor... Body chains, roach food, torture devices."
Yeah the whole gta shit really ruined it. The worst part of Jak 2 was all those fucking races. They were terrible.
>>345483338
They weren't hard but they weren't much fun.
>>345483457
I agree, jak 3 races weren't fun either, The Lost Frontier flying was fun but boring just the same
