The difference between a good video game and a bad video game ultimately comes down to respect for the player.
This gamed does not respect the player. It doesn't respect the player enough to not give enemies three, even four extra turns on a whim.
It doesn't respect the player enough to not expect them to grind for hours. It doesn't respect them enough not to fill the game with instant kill moves.
Is this just down to incompetence, or the Japanese being sociopaths?
>>345414695
>The difference between a good video game and a bad video game ultimately comes down to respect for the player.
Nope. It's how well it gives the player a unique experience
Nocturne is pretty easy and so are other SMT games, maybe you are just burned out? Also, grinding rarely works in Nocturne so don't bother. Pay attention to enemy's and your party's weaknesses and use buffs/debuffs.
>>345414695
I don't remember if you can breed demons that are immune to instant kill moves in that game, but you can in other ones.
There is an optional dungeon, go fucking use it
Otherwise, learn to fuse demons that buff and debuff to waste enemy turns.
The game is a cakewalk or a hell hole depending on your build and demons.
>>345415281
Someone taking a shit in my mouth would be a unique experience, but that doesn't make it enjoyable.
Become proficient.
>>345414695
you could argue about Instakill attacks but if you had to grind you should just end your life. the Press Turn system is 100% fair
>>345415554
>miss
>lose turns
>fair
>>345415554
How do i press turns against Dante, f.a.m? He has no weaknesses. He also can't be stunned or charmed.
>>345415827
Dont get hit
>>345415827
high agility
>>345415762
>Sukukaja exists
>implying it's not fair
>>345415762
It's fair because it is the same for the enemy, fuck face
>Game puts up a fight instead of treating you like a retard and holding your hand the entire time.
I dunno, that sounds pretty respectful to me.
>>345415762
There's ways to increase accuracy you shitter.
>>345415827
Crits, which are easy as hell to get.
>Grinding in an SMT
Neck yourself.
>>345415549
this is one example why the game was fucking shit.
they literally throw RNG bullshit that can wipe out your whole party no matter what you do. Give me one fucking pre caution against that fuck face spamming beast eye.
>>345414695
>>345415762
>not stacking the odds to your advantage
It's perfectly fair too because your enemies have the same problem
>>345416730
he's incredibly underleveled for that fight though
I'm triggered.
I fucked up the neutral ending bygetting rejected and nothing happened
Also fuse, fuse, fuse demons.
SMT games are not difficult as long as you improve at a steady rate.
>>345415281
Respect for the player definitely has its merits in a video game, like not obsessively handholding them or letting them sequence break and other such things, but OP's still a fag.
>>345414695
After playing Final Fantasy VI for the first time, I agree that games need to respect the player. FF6 does not. A game like Nocturne blows it out of the water in every regard
>>345416730
>Give me one fucking pre caution against that fuck face spamming beast eye.
Fog Breath+2x Sukukaja
>>345414695
No, the game respects the player immensely. It respects you so much that it expects you to use your fucking head unlike shit like Final Fantasy
>>345417018
FFVI assumed the player was retarded and 'balanced' appropriately by giving them 500 different ways to shit down the game's throat with no effort and making enemies barely fight back. I fucking hate that game for what it did to its series.
>>345417029
>expects you to use your fucking head unlike shit like Final Fantasy
>implying that was always the case
Are you the same person that did this review, OP?
http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/582958-shin-megami-tensei-nocturne/reviews/80832
>>345415281
You must think Busby 3D is a masterpiece then
>>345417136
Just in terms of the Esper system vs the demon bug things in Nocturne, Nocturne refines it immensely
>>345417245
It was.
>>345417136
>Implying FF4 wasn't the beginning of the end with it completely removing any and all party customization.
>>345417372
>implying FF4 was the beginning of the end when it had shitloads of bosses that killed you for not paying attention
>>345417372
Because as we all know, Dragon Quest 2 was the easiest, most braindead game in its series.
>>345417245
>All you have to do is spam Jump and/or Wind magic to win against Garuda.
Ok.
>>345417018
Try the Brave New World mod for it. Gameplay-wise it's better than the original game in every single way and its difficulty is much closer to games like Nocturne.
>>345415762
USE BUFFS, YOU RETARD
>game doesn't hold your hand
>"wow look at this disrespect"
the only time I ever have grinded in a SMT game is for a specific fusion that I want to satisfy my autism
>>345418034
This
Fusing is the only reason I even want to lvl up in SMT
>>345414695
nigga go back to persona 4 dan jfc
>>345418034
I grinded a bit to autobattle YHVH in 2.
>>345414695
Go play P4G OP I think that game is more your speed.
>>345414695
>game has to be easy to respect you
You're gonna feel really disrespected when you play any of the dungeon crawlers in the series
>>345418315
Nocturne's magatama skills that you gained on levelup gave me enough of a reason to want to.
>>345417826
I'm actually not even done with 6 yet, I'm at the very end but it's a slog to play at this point. The gameplay is not engaging for me at all, and now it wants me to grind a party of like 10 dudes arbitrarily so I can get through Kefka's Tower. The game is clearly really broken, but I don't want to even put in the time to grind ultima or anything, I just want to finally be done. Odds are I'll never finish it.I legitimately have been having more fun with Tokyo Mirage Sessions than FFVI
>>345417826
1.7 ruined it though the previous versions were better
>>345418940
>and now it wants me to grind a party of like 10 dude
That's what it looks like but not what it actually wants you to do. What it actually wants you to do is to put one OP character in each party and have them carry the party.
>>345419052
>less HP slog on the final bosses
>don't have to worry about juggling Espers
>MP is now a concern again because tents no longer exist
Not really.
>>345419205
I'll still need to grind 3 people then. I already fucked up by taking the sword instead of Ragnorak so now the only way to learn Ultima is to grind the shield. I know you don't need it but still
>>345419532
Sabin stacking magic boosting equipment and using Bum Rush can carry one team, Gau raging Stray Cat with Merit Award+Offering+Fixed Dice, which you pick up in Kefka's Tower without having to fight a boss for it, can carry another, and Gogo can carry the third because he can do the same shit Gau can. You don't really need to grind to crush the game and get it over with.
Kefka's Tower is an unfun piece of shit in the vanilla game, though, and I really don't blame you for saying "fuck this" at something so blatantly unfun.
>>345419770
Sabin is my highest level dude because he was the only one I really cared about, but I'll need to work on Gau. Don't even have Gogo. Glad to hear I'm not the only one who thinks it's not fun. I'll make it through, but I'm really bummed out by how disappointed I was by VI
>>345420104
>but I'll need to work on Gau.
What level is he?
>>345420206
Not high, probably 38ish. Never liked Blue Mages and he also seemed overly OP so I never used him. Mistake on my part
>>345420104
>I'm really bummed out by how disappointed I was by VI
The only kind of person who hypes up FFVI is someone who doesn't care about JRPG gameplay. Hating it when you like Nocturne isn't that surprising.
>>345414695
The game does respect you though.
It respected you by thinking that you wouldn't be retarded, but you obviously failed at that.
>>345420273
That's more than leveled enough to stomp the game, don't worry about it.
How do SMT games compare difficulty wise to something like Wizardry?
>>345420321
I'm a story fag too though, I love Persona 3 and Tales of the Abyss, but VI didn't do anything for me there either. You're spot on with the gameplay thing though
>>345420526
I'll focus on him now, thanks
>>345417264
>you have the choice of good and evil decisions
>>345420661
Much easier.
>>345420661
SMT is easier.
>>345416730
That guy's purposely playing hard mode at as low a level as possible
He's about 40 levels than an average person would be at that point in the game, even without grinding
The correct answer is a higher agility stat to make him miss, and proper buffing which allows you to kill Mot in one or two turns
>>345417264
That is the....2nd worst review I have ever read
This is the worst I have ever read
http://gamestyle.com/review/omega-quintet-review/
>>345420683
Well yeah, the SMT series are games where you have a battle between good and evil.
Not to mention their forgetable soundtracks and lack of an engaging calendar system.
>>345420661
Compared to fucking Wizardry?
Way easier
It's just a good deal more difficult than your usual Final Fantasy which casuals can't get over
>>345421074
(you)
>>345421074
>>345420869
WOW...That dude legit game it a bad score for being triggered by the semi-sexualization of some characters
>>345420840
I can't think of anything harder than Wizardry, at best you can find some semi-clones and terribly unbalanced games on purpose.
>>345420661
Is there anything that compares to Wizardry difficulty wise?
>>345421074
>Not knowing about the neutral endings
>>345420661
>>345421337
>>345421435
Haven't played Wizardry but I love Etrian Odyssey and I know it takes a lot from it. I like to think EO is challenging, I'm sure Wizardry is much harder though
>>345421074
>good and evil
>SMT
>not law and chaos
You clearly are braindead retarded
How do I get into Wizardy?
>>345421532
By playing Wizardry
>>345421532Wizardry
>>345421467
Jeez, now I know why everyone hated it when you smirked. You legit look like your gonna shove a pole up my ass.
>>345421532
Retain your virginity for 30 years.
>>345415827
I found Dante more difficult than Matador.
I killed Matador on my first time. Dante took me about 3 hours.
From what I remember, you need to buff you agility and lower hiss so he misses.
>Can't find that one screencap of a series of posts that details how ball-crushing Wizardry IV is.
fuck
>>345421532
Start with the first game or the sixth game on the SNES, never anywhere else. Wiz 1 is basic and easy to learn. W6 is a little bit more complex. Reroll/savescum for good stats(15-20 bonus points) so your life will be easier, put a Bard in your party and never, ever, ever stop abusing the Bard's ability to use their lute to cast Sleep on a group of enemies for a small stamina cost, and make sure to pick up the alchemy fire spell Blinding Flash, it makes the mountains a million times easier to deal with.
>>345420816
>>345420840
>>345421136
What about compared to Might and Magic?
>>345415425
I can't decide which are worse in /v/: food analogies or feces analogies?
>>345421480
EO is a fucking tight and fun series either way.
>>345421974
M&M isn't that hard but neither is SMT.
>>345421861
>or the sixth game on the SNES, never anywhere else
Already giving him bad advice if he wants to import his party across all three games
>>345422095
Which is more than made up for by the SNES version of the game being much more playable for a new player than the DOS game.
>>345422220
DOS version plays fine
>>345415425
Kek.
>>345414695
You seem to confuse "respect" with "pandering".
>>345422323
If you count being visually and aurally raped as 'fine', I guess.
>>345421483
Nice job getting the joke
>>345422438
You just have to download a fix for the audio pop. Visuals are okay. The sprites are animated at least.
>>345421861
>>345422095
Alright, I think I'll just start with 6 since I don't feel like playing DOS game for the time being. Thanks, anons.
>>345422438
I actually prefer the way 1 looks comparing to 6. It looks less aggressive to my eyes.
>>345422612
Wizardry 1 2 and 3 also have SNES ports in the same game so you get to transfer characters just fine.
>>345422612
>I don't feel like playing DOS game for the time being
faaaag
can this be a general dungeon crawler thread
>RNG bosses are fair
>Nocturne is a fair game
KEK
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIjVvnO5lgM
>>345423654
>Footage from a low level run on hard mode.
>>345423654
>Posting things that have already been posted and explained
>>345423303
Nope.
Now this is a japanese cuisine thread.
>>345424215
What does curry taste like? I legitimately haven't tried it even once, for some reason it reminds me of mexican mole.
>>345417826
I enjoyed that mod until I reached the World of Ruin, at which point the encounter rate really started to annoy me. It's nice that the random encounters actually serve a purpose and don't die in five seconds, but I think the encounter rate should have been adjusted to compensate. It didn't help that some enemies posed relatively little threat but had a shit ton of HP.
The scene added to the floating island is also terrible, though obviously that isn't a gameplay complaint.
>>345420321
I enjoyed both, though I recognize that FF6 has enormous balance issues and several major bugs.
>>345421830
I appreciate a challenge, but I'm glad that level-draining enemies have largely ceased to appear in the genre.
I used a guide to fight Ongyo-Ki. It was the first time I used it. How should I have known how to fight him?
The second time I used a guide was the fucking Puzzle Boy.
>>345424753
Salty coins and milkI am not kidding
>>345424753
Spicy meat sauce with rice? I can't do much better than that, honestly.
If you want to try some, make sure you don't start with Japanese-style curry. It's not very good compared to the alternatives.
>>345424753
Where the fuck do you live? I literally have curry every week and I'm Irish
There's a lot of curries in the world and they all taste deliciously different.
>>345424849
Experiment. You're not meant to walk into a boss fight and win on your first shot. Instead use it to work out how their AI works, their phases and weaknesses.
>>345414695
Is nocturne bad? No
Is hard mode nocturne bad? Yes
It's just an old jrpg ofc it has faults but nothing that would make you quit the game also dante's cameo is cool as shit
