What went wrong?
ATB
Sakaguchi's folly, which that forced the merge with Enix.
Abandoning all the core elements that the franchise has maintained over the years. Letting Toriyama's fanfiction run rampant for three straight games. Now the franchise is dead and Kingdom Hearts is wearing its skin.
>>345308082
>Abandoning all the core elements
Such as?
>>345308182
Overworlds, as well as its impact on storytelling and all the obfuscation of linearity that it implies.
The basic framework of the battle system.
Self-contained worlds and stories of fights against evil that are refreshed with each game, so if you don't like a game's setting and characters, it has no bearing on the next one.
Also, a minor gripe that affect me personally but probably don't have as much relevance for the rest of the fanbase is the shift from medieval european to southeast asian aesthetics and world design.
>>345305793
This came out
>>345308421
>Overworlds, as well as its impact on storytelling and all the obfuscation of linearity that it implies.
XV has an overworld so not sure what you are on about with this. Only 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 don't have one.
>The basic framework of the battle system.
Which is always changing between every FF?
>Self-contained worlds and stories of fights against evil that are refreshed with each game, so if you don't like a game's setting and characters, it has no bearing on the next one.
But this applies to literally every single FF.
>the shift from medieval european to southeast asian aesthetics and world design.
FF10 is the only FF with southeast asian aesthetic. FF14 is medieval fantasy, FFXV is medieval fantasy mixed with urban fantasy and Magitek mechs.
>>345305793
As a whole, not much desu. It's still pretty good.
>>345308421
>Also, a minor gripe that affect me personally but probably don't have as much relevance for the rest of the fanbase is the shift from medieval european to southeast asian aesthetics and world design.
So literally every FF game after VI (and even sot of VI, since it had magitek)
When it went all techno-fantasy
>>345308641
So FF1?
>>345308684
>Medieval setting
>no motor bikes or metropolitan setting
>>345308829
Yeah because time travel, mechs and advanced robotic technology city is medieval.
>>345308592
I'd say IX and most of XII still fit that setting.
>>345308541
>XV has an overworld so not sure what you are on about with this. Only 10, 11, 12, 13 and 14 don't have one.
Did XIII-3 and Lightning Returns had overworlds? I'm not very familiar with both of those so I can't say for certain
That said, speaking of right now, with XV still unreleased [so he doesn't count] and the MMOs separated on a category of their own, the last game with a proper overworld was IX.
>Which is always changing between every FF?
Nah, the basic combat system remained mostly the same for about 12 games, it was always the character growth system that changed the most, as well as certain specifics like how summons work. Even XII, despite doing away with the whole fixed position element, wasn't that different from the previous games when it came to its command menu
>But this applies to literally every single FF
Until Fabula Nova Crystalis came along. Now XV is poised to wipe the slate clean again, thankfully, and hopefully XVI has nothing to do with it.
What in your opinions is the best FF game that takes inspiration from the real world but adds the most imaginative fantasy elements to it?
For me it has to be either FFVIII with its absurd flying gardens, space prisons, Luna spawn point and time traveling sorceresses OR FFXI with its straightforward almost renaissance era feel that soon dives into the realm of sleeping dreamworlds, gates of paradise, floating god realms, underwater celestial cities.
>>345305793
It was a JRPG and JRPGs are almost exclusively pure shit. The better question is how this franchise ever achieved success to begin with.
>>345308641
There was nothing wrong with sci-fi elements in FF.
>>345309386
VIII has a really good setting. If I were to ever replay VIII it would be for the world its set in.
>>345308898
I belive that what that Anon is complaining about is having high technology as a widespread factor in the world.
Final Fantasy always had advanced technology here and there, like War Mech in the very first game, or the Tower of Babil in IV, or the ruins of Ronka in V, and so on and so forth. But there are a few degrees of separation between the world being mostly in medieval stasis with ridiculously advanced mechs buried in a temple somewhere, and the major civilizations of the world as a whole being almost dieselpunk in design.
Not that I mind it though.
>>345309031
>Did XIII-3 and Lightning Returns had overworlds?
Those aren't mainline, FF13-2 had basically the same thing FF12 did with zones, while LR was 4 large areas that was kind of but not really an overworld.
>with XV still unreleased
Not sure why that matters when we know it has an overworld with towns and shit you can explore.
>Nah, the basic combat system remained mostly the same for about 12 games
FF1-3 were strict turn based each with their own unique sub system. FF4-9 were ATB based each with their own unique subsystem. FF10 was the first FF to ditch ATB and overworld instead going pure turn based with stocked turns. FF11 ditched that and was online MMO called RTB. FF12 then ditched that and did ATB mixed with real time movement called ADB. FF13 ditched that and had stacked ATB commands with pure AI for other two members called CSB.14 was MMO again. Now15 is AXB which is action RPG mixed with ATB commands for your other members.
>Fabula Nova Crystalis came along
FNC was nothing more than a mythos that the directors of each game could interpret in their own way, it was not a connected universe, it was not any different than FF3, 4 and 5 each having their own take on FF1s crystal mythos. FFXV is no longer FNC anymore and is instead doing a classic crystal mythos based story.
>>345309386
What kills the world of VIII for me is how underdeveloped it feels. The world attempts to come off as fairly realistic, but for me it only draws attention to how the politics, events, and even the simple geography of it make no sense.
I violently oppose the idea of drastically changing the story of any game upon remaking it without a damned good reason, but of all the games in the franchise, VIII is the one that would benefit the most from being more thoroughly fleshed out.
To answer the original question though, I'll go with VII, Midgar and Junon are both very nice designs for impossible sprawling urban fantasy cities.
7 happened and it's all gay corridors now with shit plots.
>>345305793
11 was is MMO
12 has a bad story and decent gameplay
13 has a decent story and bad gameplay
14 is an MMO
Let's see how 15 turns out. I am not very hyped for it though, kinda dislike the aesthetics and combat.
>>345309978
Why didn't you play the MMOs?
>>345309763
>FF4-9 were ATB based
Not the guy you're arguing with, but you DO realise how many years that era encompasses? Saying that it "changed all the time" is pretty silly. FF4-6 have basically the same battle system, but different level systems (sort of).
Also, saying that the difference between Turn-based and real time battles in XV is the same as the difference between turn-based and ATB is just silly.
>>345310127
No I'm saying that the difference between turn based and ATB is the same difference between ATB to FF12s ADB, and ADB to FFXVs AXB.
too many sequels
>>345308641
This
>>345309763
XIII-2 and LR might not be officialy mainline, true, but them along with XIII still constituted three different iterations of the newest AAA Final Fantasy game to be released for home consoles sharing the same continuity and having their plots building up from the previous one directly. As a result they were directly at the forefront of public consciousness when it came to naming the newest game of the franchise. This didn't happen with III, IV and V
As for XV, let's say I don't like counting my chickens before they hatch. The game isn't released yet, and we're discussing the franchise as it presently stands, after all.
>the combat
Again, dismissing the MMOs, since they stand on a category of their own, I'd dare say that I consider pure turn-based and turn-based derivates like ATB to be close enough to one another that they don't constitute nearly enough a break in gameplay continuity as XIII introduced to the franchise.
>tfw playing FF for thestorymainly.
Suffering since 2002.
>>345310667
but 2002 was when XI was released, so how could you possibly be suffering?
Nothing yet except the MMOs
Hasn't been a bad main entry yet
>>345308641
This. Also I'm not particularly fond of the Cyberpunk settings.
Especially in FFs, they just somehow feel off.....
>>345310925
>MMOs
>wrong
pleb
XIII is my favorite setting. I like how humans are just fal'cie pawns. If only the characters were less annoying though
>>345310925
VIII, and the entire XIII series would like a word with you.
>>345308641
>most ambitious title the strayed from the norm
>bad even though it's one of the most well known and respected JRPG titles to date
fucking hipsters
>>345311131
I enjoyed them sorry they're not your taste
>years ago
"FFXIII is a great game just not a great final fantasy game"
>now
"FFXIII IS SHIT"
what happened?
>>345311232
>>345311040
>>345310817
Can't wait.
Went to shit with X, even though it arguably had great combat.
>>345311131
VIII and XIII are not bad games.
>>345311287
me neither although I still believe it should've stayed a spin-off
>>345311307
>went to shit with the best one
Heh sure it did kid
>>345311232
way too expensive for what it offer
>>345311456
>best one
see >>345311453
>>345311390
FF9, 10 and 12 were all spinoffs before becoming mainline. Heck FF10 originally wasn't even an FF but a new IP.
>>345311516
the conversation sure is going somewhere
>>345311495
Not really.
The Ultimate Collector's Edition is.
AAAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHA!!!
>best story
VII
>best combat
X
>best music
VII
>best graphics
XIII
>best lore
XIII
>best minigame
VIII
>best world
VII
>best characters
VII
>best endgame
XII
>shit
IX
>>345311582
Best Girl.
>>345311710
>best furfaggotry
IX
>>345311895
But Anon, that's neither Beatrix nor Fujin norSelphie
>>345305793
The series was never really that special.
Its settings have been outdone by DQ
Its gameplay by SMT
Its OSTs by Tales
>>345311456
Not that anon, while I like X a lot I don't think it's the best one. And as opposed to being what killed the franchise, I kind of see it as the beginning of the end. Good game, but I haven't found myself as excited for many releases following.
Anyone looking forward to Zodiac? I thought we'd never get it so I'm pretty excited.
>>345311895
Edea was better, you're not even trying.
>>345312474
>I kind of see it as the beginning of the end.
This. It was a really good game, but the original sin lies somewhere between it and XII. It only became fully formed with XIII, though.
>>345305793
It's not final.
>>345312383
So are you saying all of these images you're dumping are what went wrong?
>>345312595
Keep telling yourself XIII was bad kiddo. Most people love it,you're the vocal minority. which is why all 3 were ported to PC.
>>345312205
>Its OSTs by Tales
This might be the most incorrect thing said on the board today. Congrats.
There's more variance in a single Nobuo OST then there is in Sakuraba's entire body of work
>>345312694
yes
Nothing, they know their fans and they're still gonna make a killing this next installment. Every FF game has been decent so why not?
>>345312735
>you're the vocal minority
>>345311895
my man!
>>345312896
He's not wrong asshole. It's literally become a meme to hate XIIIdespite it being better than X
>>345310027
because i have a life.
>>345312735
Quality must stand on its own two legs regardless of popular approval, or else it'd be a popularity contest instead. You also don't get a stronger argument just by calling people who disagree with you kids over and over.
Additionaly, one has to question the usefulness of calling someone a kid due to not liking XIII. Certainly it'd be more fitting if it were the opposite, and newfags were latching onto the game while ignoring the merits of the older ones?
>>345313017
>>345313021
>and yet you're on /v/ on an early sunday morning
Where did it go wrong, Anon?
>>345313124
i am going for a morning jog in half an hour.
>>345313424
Oh, alright, good luck with that then.
>>345313026
No, kids are the ones who hate it, they want to look like they know what they're talking about. True fans see the game's qualities and don't jump in bandwagons. If you truly hated the game you'd actually say why. It's linear? They're all linear. Don't like the characters? Not an argument, too subjective. Don't like the story? I doubt you even understand it.
>>345312845
>every game has been decent
>Made a killing
Uh, have you seen sales for XIII? Japan and overseas sales were incredibly low for what Square would normally consider "a killing". The drop in sales with each new title in the XIII series is embarrassing, and makes me wonder they continued to create sequels for a game that nobody wanted.
>>345313017
Really? Where were all those people who loved XIII when its sequels came out? The X remaster outsold Lightning Returns. If they ever updated XIII ten years from now, I wonder how many people would honestly go out and buy it.
>>345313578
>If you truly hated the game you'd actually say why.
Not only is proper criticism of the game something that would demand multiple posts, I tend to be very verbose and I don't want to work my way around the character limit. Maybe some day I'll condense this all down to a pasta-worthy version.
>>345313948
A lot of uninformed nitpicking there
>>345312845
late nineties FF was so massive though. It was a console killer app. There was actual hype for a goddamn blockbuster movie (before anyone saw it and realised it was dogshit). Whole sections of the then internet were flamewars between FF7-8 with FF6oldfags fighting a desperate resistance.
It used to be massive. Now it is big. Maybe not even the biggest in its genre.
>>345314678
Of course there is nitpicking [not sure about uninformed though], it's a set of preliminary thoughts I gathered while playing through the game. As the title shows.
It's not even something I post for the sake of having serious responses and having it taken as serious criticism, I still have to refine it and make it more professional and concise, but people like you keep popping up and saying "WELL YOU HAVE NO REAL CRITICISM OF THE GAME YOU'RE JUST JUMPING ON THE BANDWAGON" so I like to keep a screenshot of it handy.
>>345314697
It wasnt that huge mate. Take it from a 30 year old. There were maybe 4 or 5 kids in my year playing FF7. 8 was a bit more popular by not many people actually finished it or got far at all. 9 was largely ignored. 10 was a bit of a comeback.
>>345305793
Most of the creative, ambitious and skilled people left.
Lost odyssey is shit
>>345305793
Why is magic always so shit in these games?
>>345315319
Why do characters have a million skills and 2 actual useful ones? Like in FFX you have to scroll through all of your skills to get to Quick Attack which is right at the bottom. The only useful attack end game
>>345313556
thanks mate, you too.
>>345314697
>Whole sections of the then internet were flamewars between FF7-8 with FF6oldfags fighting a desperate resistance.
This is probably the only thing I'm looking forward for the upcoming VII remake, I want to see how it affects the politics of the franchise when it comes to the in-fighting.
As it currently stands, the Kefka-Sephiroth and Cloud-Squall Wars have mostly died down, and most activity at least on this board tends to concern medium-intensity skirmishes between IXfags and the rest of the fanbase.
But now not only is XV with its radically different combat system about to come out, VII is poised to make a big comeback as well. We're about to see a major split between XVfags and the rest of the fanbase, followed by a possible ressurgence of anti-VII sentiment, most probably primarily from the VI and VIII segments of the fanbase.You can trust me. I'm a meme scholar.
>>345314961
Same generation. Not that many people were anon level obsessive, but everyone owned FF7, and all the playground console wars brought it up. It didn't have the sudden insane burst of Pokemon (or... yoyos, that one year) but it was a fixture.
>>345315319
What usually happens is that magic's stronger for most of the game but at the end physical takes over when you start hitting the damage cap.
>>345308421
FF XV has all of this tho.
FF XV when you look at it has everything except the turn based combat some like me still want.
>>345305793
they will never release a proper FF Tactics again
>>345315818
>but everyone owned FF7
What? Maybe half of kids played videogames. Half of them were pc gamers and half of the console gamers had n64s. not even half of the kids with ps1's had ff7 and then not a lot of them even played it much.
>>345314697
>Maybe not even the biggest in its genre.
so what is the most popular JRPG now?
>>345309763
>Not sure why that matters when we know it has an overworld with towns and shit you can explore.
This IS why i'm coming back to this franchise after the X / XIII trilogy train wreck. Last ones a liked were IX and XII.
XV looks like a big thing for people like me
>>345316194
m8, FF7 came out for PC a year after the PS1 release. That's how I played it.
>>345316145
Yes, which is why I'm quite hopeful for it as a return to form for the franchise. Even if some of its most important aspects are irreversibly lost in the process.
But the original question was, what went wrong. XV's release is where most of it is hopefully going to go right again.
>>345316075
No, usually magic is comparable damage with longer animations. Whereas melee is quick and free.
>>345316230
>liked IX
>thinks his opinion is valid
>>345305793
Is type0 any good?
I just dropped it on my psp but the fan translation is pretty bad and there are some lines lacking subs
>>345316395
It's ok.
>>345316226
Not that Anon, but if XV were to bomb, I'm pretty sure Final Fantasy would lose its crown of JRPG titan, at least in the west, to Persona.
>>345316348
Did someone mention Final Fantasy IX?
>>345316492
Persona is the only other JRPG series I could even think of off the top of my head.
Is there anything else competing beside standalone projects?
>>345316603
Quina was best blue mage
>>345316492
They already lost it to their other game, Dragon quest at least in Japan.
>>345316348
>dislikes literally the greatest and purest fantasy
gtfo nigger
>>345316674
The third closest would probably be Dragon Quest, which is nowhere near as popular in the west as it is in Japan. And yet I still think it outweights Shin Megami Tensei proper though, but I'm not quite sure.
We all know Pokémon exists though, but comparing it to other JRPG franchises doesn't feel quite right.
>>345316717
Yep, in Japan the race has always been far tighter between the two.
>>345316703
Are there even any noteworthy contenders? Strago is good but not that great, and Quistis just looks plain weird firing missiles and lasers out of her face.
And Kihmari is barely a Blue Mage.
They can't seem to hold my attention for more than a few thousand hours. Pretty mediocre series.
Just beat all the dark aeona and unleashed this thing upon the world. Who is it anyway? Is it the aeon summoned to defeat sin in the calm lands? Who's controlling it and why?
>>345308526
The second best behind 7.
>>345316915
It's crap man. Disc 1 is good but it's so rushed later on.
>>345317041
to add more hours
>>345316327
Magic hits harder faster thanks to hitting weaknesses earlier. Its not until a good while in for quite a few games that a situation like the one you described comes into play.
>>345305793
normies dicovered ff7
>>345305793
They only had one good character. Literally who else in gaming history is a top tier FASHION MODEL
>>345313021
>posting on /v/
>"I have a life"
>>345305793
americans found about them
>>345315319
>XI
>shit magic
lel
>>345305793
>What went wrong?
no blitzball game
Fuck Final Fantasy, shit's dead.
Will we ever get a sequel to this gem? It had issues but it was easily the best "FF" since IX. Why does Sakaguchi have to make shitty mobile games nowadays, fuck.
>>345317912
>FF
>Dead
>>345308641
Nigger FF has been high tech since inception. Fucking FFIV had a spaceship that literally took you to the god damn moon only to discover you're part of a motherfucking race of AYYYs.
>>345310667
Fucking this. I don't give a single shit about all their fucking gameplay 'evolutions', the entire reason I found Final Fantasy attractive in the first place was the stories, amazing characters, music, atmosphere and villains.
All of that has been getting consistently worse since X. I can't believe how far they've strayed from what made the series great.
>>345317708
I love her
>>345317912
That game sucked man
FF died when 13 was released
Literally one of the worst games I've ever played. So much so that I can't even comprehend how anyone could like it.
>>345318524
pleb
>>345317708
>tried replaying XIII
>couldn't get past the first 30 or so minutes
Though it still looks damn good on my PS3 after 6 years.
>>345305793
The focus on shit girls like Rinoa, Yuna and Lightning.
>>345318010
>used to get a new game every 2 years that were high quality and well written
>since 2001 we've had 3 mainline titles that were all disappointing as fuck and 2 fucking MMO's
>2 of which were so bad they collectively almost killed the franchise and they had to make 2 sequels and remake the MMO from te ground up to try and fix it
>the next game was stuck in development hell for over half a decade, switched title, and by the time it's released will have taken 10 fucking years to create
I know you feel a deep love for this franchise, so do I, but it's a rotting corpse with nothing but talentless hacks involved.
The series has lost everything that once made it amazing.
>>345309978
>13
>Decent anything
>>345311283
People don't have to justify their shitty purchase anymore.
>>345309978
>13
>good story
FUCK NO
The story was one of the worst parts
>>345311283
I thought it was shit from the start and openly regretted my purchase within 24 hours of buying it.
The only positive aspects I can possible summon up from the depths of my very being are that Sazh was a good character and the soundtrack was good.
After replaying IX recently, it's still great but a lot shorter then the others.
I wish they go back to that world eventually.
>>345319421
>Sazh was good
>soundtrack was good
I can agree. I'd also say the graphics and visuals were pretty good for the time.
>>345309978
>13 has a decent story and bad gameplay
more like the other way around
>>345317898
Everyone knows the mmos are a different beast when it comes to balance
>>345319568
>sazh looked like he was going to be nothing but a joke character but was literally the only voice of reason in the game.
>>345311710
>IX
>shit
nigga what, explain
>>345319421
I like Sazh too, just a desperate man trying to do what's best for his family who's nevertheless the only well-centered character in the cast.
Too bad that his dramatic plot moment is broken up by him having a ride at the magical go-kart of the heavens.
I can't remember a single enjoyable song in the OST though.
>>345317574
Magic hitting harder is still only doing 1.5-2x regular attack damage. And in the time it took to select and play out you could've attacked twice without eating into MP better used for healing/buffing. Which is usually nearly mandatory. So really it is only black magic/non-utility summons that are typically shit.
>>345319634
>mashing auto-battle and occasionally switching paradigms is good gameplay
>>345319748
>in b4 furry accusations and pooly put together charts
>>345319873
>mashing auto-battle
I wanna see you try that and it's better than you make it sound, still the story is complete shit 25 hours in I have no clue wtf is going on, who wants what
The only FF I've played is XIV, I know it isn't really a "real" FF but I've been digging it thus far. What would be a good one to grab off of steam to continue getting into the series?
>>345320035
You have to read all the shit in the game.
And there is a lot of said shit.its shit
>>345320078
go play 3 or 5 if you want to play REAL FF
4,6,7,8,9,10,12 great story, 10/10 combat except 8(fuck that game)
1,2 are very very simple but still very fun to play
>>345320078
They're all pretty different. I'd say just work your way backwards. XIII, XII, etc. Most new players don't adjust well to the older games cause well they're really old.
>>345320078
Do you want a more serious story, a more lighthearted story, a more guided character growth system, or something more free-form so you can shape your characters more how you want them to be?
In truth all Final Fantasies between IV and X are good places to start, with the exception of VIII [not speaking of its quality here VIIIfags, it's just that not even you can deny that it's substantially different from everything else in the franchise].
Either way, the best entry point is probably either V, VI or VII.
>>345320078
9 is the ultimate taste of FF. FF7 is a gem unlike others. One of those two probably.
>>345311710
>best story VII
>best music VII
>best world VII
>best character VII
>IX is shit
Why am I not surprised that a tasteless faggot who only played VII and XIII has a shit opinion?
Best story goes for IX/VI/Tactics
Best combat I agree with you
Best lore XIII only because it was built to be so with the new fabula shit.
>best music
VIII
>best world
VIII/IX
>best characters
IX
>best endgame
XII
>shit
2/13
>>345320398
>best world VII
>IX is shit
>I have never played 1-6 and I was born in 2000 but I'm an expert :D
>>345308526
This is exactly it.
Beforehand more insidiously I guess also the misunderstanding on Square's part on why VII was successful, but VI wasn't, and then concentrating all efforts on the differences. Flashy style over substance.
Change for the sake of change turning from an occasional spice to a commandment on every aspect of a new game fucked everything up too.
Throw Spirits Within, general arrogance, trying to recapture Advent Children combat exclusively since its release officially and competition catching up with them visually somewhere there as well.
All of that is still not as destructive and definitive as FFX, which was the turning point.
>>345320546
I'm answering to the other guy, I'm quoting him you idiot, learn to post.
>>345320546
IX is shit. IV, VI and VII are the only good games.
>>345319117
Everything you said is wrong
I'm actually really sad they fucked Lightning's character in the XIII sequels. She should have never been the protagonist anyway but still.
>>345322041
The problem with FF is that since they are always changing their systems more times than not it feels like the system isn't right. There's no real refinement to it's systems. The only time it did was like FF3 -> FF5 -> FFX-2 and I guess FF13 but somehow that dropped the fucking ball hard.
>>345311283
>>years ago
>"FFXIII is a great game just not a great final fantasy game"
wat
FF13 was hated for years after it came out, only recently are its defenders coming out of the woodwork.
>>345324369
The game didn't even NEED sequels. It ended in a very acceptable way considering the focus of its narrative was not on the overall cosmology of the world and the greater powers within it, but just the character development of the main cast. The main plot of XIII literally did not matter at all to what the game was actually focusing on.
>>345308526
You're right, but of course the nostalgiakiddies will defend it while ironically shitting on XIII despite both those games sharing similar problems.
>>345320398
>Best story goes for Tactics
Tactics' story was fucking atrocious. It's like Twilight Princess because it has two stories and can't decide which one to tell and half the characters just get forgotten. Unlike TP however, the worse story dominates the the last half of the game. VI just jams 90% of the story at the end, even it's predecessors were better at storytelling. Your opinions are clearly just hipster shit you picked up on the Internet
>tfw XI sounds cool as fuck but there's no point in starting now
>>345319421
I liked Sazh too but I thought Hope was unfairly hated. He's basically the typical Final Fantasy MC but relegated to a supporting role.
>>345326058
>VI just jams 90% of the story at the end
Whaaaaaaaaaat the flying everliving fug are you talking about.
The main plot of VI pretty much GRINDS TO A HALT as soon as you hit the Floating Continent, everything that comes after that is character development for each scattered party member [which is important, but does not quite constitutes "plot"]. There are no major events to move the story forward after Gehstal dies, to the point that the game could have a cutscene with the world breaking apart and the final battle against godly Kefka right afterwards and there would be very little difference.
>>345315651
>tends to concern medium-intensity skirmishes between IXfags and the rest of the fanbase.
And VIfags vs anything released after VI with the possible exception of Tactics. And VIIIfags still massively butthurt about their shitty game forever living in VII's shadow.
>>345326142
At least Hope only wanted to kill ONE person. Lightning had no qualms destroying the entire world and kill countless innocent people.
>>345326632
Not to mention Lightning is LITERALLLY femCloud/femSquall with even less depth and development and is even less likeable.
I mean say what you will about Cloud and Squall being emo fagboys but nothing can trump a grown woman throwing a tempter tantrum like an actual toddler on her birthday.
>>345326632
>>345326980
I mean just the issue with Lightning is that she's a Mary Sue with no development.
>>345308541
>F10 is the only FF with southeast asian aesthetic
Someone played the chinese remaster instead of the original...
>>345315193
They're on FF XV you know, people from V, V, and mostly VII.
The only recent FF's done by no names was X-2 and Lightning trilogy
>>345326980
To be fair her kid sister and pedophile terrorist boyfriend just dropped the bomb that she was now a slave to the gods and doomed forever. She had her reasons for being upset and she doesn't stay edgy and pissed off the entire game. I've heard the dub also makes this worse but I know fuckall about nip so I guess its a moot point
>>345327160
Only in the sequels
>>345305793
Every game threw out what the previous game did well and started over.
>>345308082
You're an idiot. Final Fantasy fell apart long before the merger and they needed the merger because guys like Wada were running the company into bankruptcy.
>>345326980
Cloud got better once his memories started to open. And Squall got a bit better once he started to accept others as teammates.
Lightning however never changed. And never really felt like anything really mattered. Her sister turned to a statue but she didn't really seem that upset about it and once she turned into a tool to destroy she seem pretty ok with it and willing to do it because why the fuck not.
>>345316395
Great on PSP. Hard to adapt you mindset into the fact that it was a PSP game if you place the PC/PS4 version tho
XIV is the best ff since IX. Atleast it feels like playing final fantasy, despite being mmo.
>>345327196
Can we have whoever worked on X-2's combat system promoted, and whoever worked on its story thrown into a pit of lions?
>>345327412
>And Squall got a bit better once he started to accept others as teammates.
And then became unbearably worse after Disc II ended, while he was on fast track to become the best protagonist in the franchise during the later half of that disc.
I'd dare say that I prefer XIII's Lightning in all of her glory to the abomination that is Disc III Squall
>>345327467
This.
>>345305793
I think we can all agree it died with FF13.
The problem isn't the game per se, but the shift in the production techniques, the target platforms and audience.
Final Fantasy was the most popular series of RPGs. Nowadays RPGs are mostly dead or niche, relegated to being cheap knock-offs on shitty handheld/portable platforms, with the exception of a few AAA hollywood blockbusters with "RPG elements".
Final Fantasy 13 was the first attempt to provide a game accessible to everyone, running on all consoles, with more streamlined gameplay and a focus on breathtaking visuals and instant gratification to casuals rather than exploration or tactical gameplay.
Square Enix, now a large company, had to release blockbusters and compete with American companies making truckload of money with their dragon asscreed the return of batman, press A to fuck bitches and be an awesome gangsta, which never was within the spirit of Final Fantasy.
Nevertheless Japanese developers see their work as a kind of art, and despite the compromises to make Final Fantasy XV casual as fuck and likeable to reviewers there might be something interesting in there.
>>345327615
The guy realized he was a teenager and he was in love.
Teenagers in love are unbearable.
>>345327615
I agree with Squalll becoming awful in Disk 3. The problem with FF8 personally is that I just never cared about any of the main characters. They were all "there" but I didn't fucking care. The only storyline I actually liked was Laguna's. I just wish the whole game was about his life.
>>345327196
LR was glorious though.
And it was made by Square 1st department in collaboration with tri-Ace...
>>345328047
Basically how I feel about X except you can only either love Tidus or hate him. I thought he was just a thirsty jackass
>>345328414
I had really bad blood with my dad when I was young so I actually related with Tidus more than others. So whenever he cried and complained I agreed with him. I get why people hate him to death but I will always love him.
>>345327957
>despite the compromises to make Final Fantasy XV casual as fuck and likeable to reviewers there might be something interesting in there.
This. I have hopes that XV will manage to deliver a good story, considering it seems to be reverting to the more classic world format of the earlier titles. A few elements here and there are firing some alarm bells, but eh, we'll see.
I bet people would go ape shit if there was a modern FF game with a protagonist like Terra in VI. Why can't things be simple and pleasant anymore?
>>345317898
>XI
>implying magic ever was mechanically superior til recently with magic burst bullshit
The only reason people used BLMs back then was because we knew fuck all about damage formulas and the haste cap was near unreachable for all but maybe 2 jobs
>>345329926
Terra is a very nice character though. Of all the FF characters, she's the most motherly of the bunch.
Anyone else looking forward to World of Final Fantasy? Looking pretty fun honestly.
Dissidia 012 was fucking great and I hope the new one doesn't suck. At least my man is already in
>>345332271
WHEN ARE WE GETTING IT GODDAMNIT
>>345328414
>whines non-stop about being flung into the far future and not getting enough love from daddy
>has absolutely no reaction to finding out he doesn't exist, planning to save everyone by sacrificing himself, or Auron kicking the bucket
>>345328047
And it's hard to care when you have the most unlikeable and spoiled cunt as the main love interest.
>>345332271
Freya in it when?
>>345328256
XIII-2 was also co-dev with Tri-Ace, this is why they're better than XIII.
>>345327957
Agree but FF XV doesn't seem that casual to me. The battle system even in incomplet form in the demos is already too complex for normies it seems.
>>345333031
I have no idea why Squall gives one ounce of care for her. Not only is she spoiled but god damn she fucks every plan up. I hate that airship scene so fucking much.
How do you feel about Fran or Vieira in general?
>>345334092
I liked the Viera better in Tactics Advance
Too elvish for my tastes
>>345334092
Yes.
>>345305793
They set expectations too high with the psx releases. Those still look better than most games coming out today imo.
