>no Demon Hunter till 2nd or 3rd week of aug
>no invasion event till 2nd or 3rd week of aug
>no broken shore event till later
>3-4 weeks of NO NEW CONTENT despite the pre-patch being put out early.
JUST...
>>345294771
FUCK
ing play something else already
>>345294771
Good thing I'm not in the beta, or been on the PTR. I'll at least get a day or two trying out specs.
Other than that, it is what it is.
Subscribed last week so everything is new for me, so I will have enough fun with the current content plus the additions from the pre-patch until launch
>tfw haven't played since draenor launch
>resubbed tonight
This heirloom thing is neat. Anything else I missed?
Also everyone is nerfed with new class mechanics. They had to nerf HFC by 30% cause everyone does shit without their artifact. All the HFC tinkets got nerfed cause "overtuned."
>>345295493
I worried about the gap between artifacts and none, oh well. It's only 5 weeks or whatever. Still Blizzard are shit at planning.They always do this shit to force people to buy expansions.
>>345294771
So what green text do you have set up for the middle of august when all that goes live?
Now, I haven't played since Cataclysm, but they literally did that with every expansion. Pre-patch that updates talents and shit. I remember my guild was stuck in Sunwell on Muru when the 3.0 WotLK pre-patch dropped and we walked through Muru and KJ the very next night.
>>345296214
Thats usually the case. HOWEVER, because most classes are actually balanced around having artifacts, everyone is going to be weaker after the prepatch.
>>345296214
They took a different approach in Wrath and Cata by adding in those raid wide buffs that you could turn off. Dunno if they did that in MoP or WoD, haven't raided in ages.
>>345296693
They didn't. They DID allow you to upgrade your gear, either using Valor points, or just RNG to raise your ilevel and make you effectively more powerful.
>>345296765
Weird. Blizz really does enjoy reinventing the wheel for no reason.
>>345296863
Well, its more "organic" this way. Rather than throwing out a raid wide debuff, this way you have to at least "earn" it.
Can anyone please tell me how dogshit Shadow Priest is in Legion?
>>345294975
Beta is nice though. Let me make level 100 characters of every class to try everything out. Would have taken me dozens of hours to do that on live.
>>345297084
Good point.
>>345297131
I've heard good with Surrender to Madness. Meh without. Looks fun though.
>>345295432
>heirloom thing
What do you mean, heirlooms in general, the heirloom mount, or something else entirely? I'm not subbed right now.
>>345297131
They are good if you like current demo locks. Their whole schtick is a lot like current metamporphasis. Only real issue is their AOE sucks shit, but it always has, so nothing new.
>>345297209
Surrender to madness can't possibly be good. Its neat and flavorful, but permadeath after use would make it basically useless in any actual PVP or PVE setting.
>>345297387
It's not permadeath, it's a 3 minute debuff that happens when you TRIGGER it. It's entirely possible to keep Surrender up for the whole duration of that debuff on certain fights (some ifghts in HFC don't even LAST that long).
>>345297387
Just going by what I've heard on vids and what not. I don't care for it myself. But pushing 100 stacks of whatever and breaking the GCD is probably going to be a lot easier as the expansion pushes forward.
Also something about stacking Ret Pallies for their dead party member dmg buffs or some such nonsense.
>>345297624
Ret Paladins get +50% damage when a party member dies for 10 seconds.
>>345297497
Even if thats true in the Beta I doubt it will last on live. That would make it mandatory. Spriests would have to be balanced AROUND using it if it could be up near pemanently.
Second, people REALLY need to stop thinking about current HFC. During progression, people couldn't just stack arcane mages to win everything. It actually took quite a while to hit the gear level where that worked. 3 minute fights didn't really exist. And they won't exist until the content is irrelevant in Legion.
>>345297693
Is that a class ability or something from Ashbringer?
>>345297209
>>345297287
Has there been any word on how difficult Spriest is to play in Legion? I have never played it before.
I'm more interested in playing Holy Priest with Shadow on the side.
Is Holy doing okay in Legion?
>>345297693
That's it. Wouldn't be surprised if some guilds use strats like this to push through progression. Unless the math says differently.
>enter latest MMO-Champion contest for a beta key
>as if I'd ever get one
>content cleared since december, only Archi mount farm left
>random people from the guild get alpha/beta access, some aren't even raiders
>some people play beta for one day then log out and never go back since they don't know how to play their class anymore
>tfw reported a large gap in the floor of the dark portal from beta and it's still unfixed even after they made the zone revisitable
>>345297497
>some ifghts in HFC don't even LAST that long
mythic is going to be a pain in the ass this tuesday
>>345297959
where?
>group says they need a healer so I spend time leveling Druid
>hit the cap and they find a new healer
>they now want me to play a DPS
Please tell me Feral cat is good and fun. I hate Balance.
>>345297864
Shadow seems pretty easy.
Keep up SW:P
Keep up Vamp Emb
Mind Blast on CD
Mind Flay for filler
Once insanity capped, shift to void form
Keep dots up
Spam Void Bolt
Mind Blast when applies
Rinse repeat
At least that's my understanding of it. Haven't paid attention to AoE or what changes with the artifact.
>>345297864
No idea how holy and disc play. Only tried shadow. Shadow is basically spam that spells you spammed right now to build your insanity bar, then enter void form and spam your powered up shit until it runs out, and rinse and repeat. You get a lot of neat options for your playstyle from talents though. Its actually one of the better specs in the game for getting actual interesting options from talents.
>>345298086
DoTs refresh automaticall in voidform. In voidform it's literally just press Void Bolt and Mind Blast on cooldown and use Mind flay when neither are up (once you pass 50 stacks you never use Mind Flay because VB and MB have their CD reduced by Haste).
>>345298106
>>345298086
Doesn't sound too bad but in guessing it will be difficult to play well in raid unless you can turret?
>>345297989
>only one 2-minute-CD massgrip on Mannoroth
>burst-meta completely broken, so probably no 1-Doomfire Archimonde
>disc priest gone to shit, incidentally our Doomfire-stack healer
>no Breath of Sindragosa for blood, goodbye 160k burst on pull
>survivability in the shitter
I don't care if some people still need the mount, if it's a wipe-fest I'll take a break until Legion.
>>345298195
That's right, I'm a few patches back. I forgot Void Eruption or whatever is a thing now.
if you still play wow in 2016 kill yourself
>>345298215
No harder than other casters probably. The "hard" part will be timing your void form with phases of a fight where you want to do the most damage possible.
>>345298230
Well we have to remember there is a 40% hp and damage nerf but still my main concern is archimonde and mannoroth.
>>345296041
What does it matter? No one will care since 10 millions subs will be playing the new edgy demon hunters.
It's funny to see people bitch about HFC with no new content for over a year and then when they push the pre-patch, still no new content cause delays.
Why bother pushing the patch early when the new stuff isn't out for another month. Everyone other pre-pacth had it's events active soon as the patch hit.
>>345295493
>They had to nerf HFC by 30% cause everyone does shit without their artifact.
no? are you retarded? they do that every time a new expansion comes out or even a new patch in the current expansion comes out
>>345297785
Even if gear doesn't let you cheese it every fight till we're 8 months into Seige of Argus, fall of the Hellfire Soul.
There will almost certainly be at least one fight where spriests will be able to cheese the shit out of it to blow up the meters on progression.
>>345298426
I hope not. Because that will just get the talent nerfed to hell by blizzard.
>>345294771
So is this the weekend to resub if I am planning to come back for Legion anyway?
>>345298520
resub afer 2 weeks
>>345297624
>>345297693
>>345297881
The 50% bonus doesn't stack
>>345298395
So people get a chance to play with the new specs and rotations to sort out what they like without downloading the ptr?
>>345297084
And in the end they reverted back to using a raid wide debuff. I'm not sure if it's an actual debuff or just they manually lowered the stats but it amounts to the same thing.
It's kinda sad cause every other pre-patch everyone usually got stronger. This is a first where everyone got weaker and the raid had to be nerfed after the fact. Even the stat squish kept reletive power the same as well as making some old legendaries amazing during WoD pre-patch.
>>345298603
I want to get the "free" lvl 100 though. Get me a rogue or something, idk.
>>345298276
All void eruption does is give you 4 "free" seconds of uptime. Its not really that big a deal. And with a minute cooldown that doesn't get reduced by haste, its pretty much just a "Free" 4% hast and 8% damage on your dots.
>>345298750
resub in august. theres nothing happening between now and mid august anyway
>>345298750
>I want to get the "free" lvl 100 though.
you're going to get that no matter what if you buy legion
I leveled to 100 as a DPS spec and now I want to heal. I have no idea how to heal. Am I supposed to just dive in head first and ruin some groups to learn?
>>345297785
They've done shit like this already. The new greater blessing of might for ret paladins has their overall damage based around this buff. You have to put it on specs who will proc it enough and on someone who won't die. Can't recast greater blessings during combat.
So yes expect spriests to get something like you decribe. Blizzard DOES do dumb shit like that.
>>345298904
this
>>345298735
As has been said, its necessary. Classes are literally balanced with their artifacts in mind. They HAVE to make the content easier because classes are "losing" 20+% of their punch because they get that punch from artifacts they won't have until Legion properly launches.
Should I unsubscribe until Legion?
I spent the last month leveling from lv 90 to 100, and outside of leveling mining and engineering on the level boost character I just made for the Legion pre-order, there is nothing else to do. It expires on the 20th, so I could probably just resub closer to the expansion launch and level up professions then.
>>345298520
Depends, when did you last play? If you have played during WoD, you won't have much to do unless you need to level up something.
If it's been a while, might as well get your feet under you in prep.
>>345298615
Didn't think it did. But since it's for the Ret Pallie themselves, someone will try stacking them. Just checked it's only 20% anyways.
>>345298905
do the proving grounds
>>345297693
That got changed. It's now 20% damage and 30% damage taken reduced. Does not stack only refreshs the duration.
>>345298905
Pretty much. Low level dungeons hardly need a healer anyway, it'll be fine.
>>345297892
> wanting to play an unfinished and unpolished version of a game that will be released in a month
Calm the fuck down, not being in the beta is a blessing.
>>345298905
Just do LFR
No matter how bad you do there will always be at least one person doing twice what's required for their given task (except tanking, but that still happens occasionally)
>yfw you didn't fall for the pre-order legion meme
>>345298848
Guess it makes sense to have the shift do something for your DPS instead of it just being a button you pressed like before.
>tfw Legion suits your current casual dungeoning/dicking around in the world and PUGing heroic/mythic raid content on occasion playing perfectly
Is this where I shill?
>>345298948
Oh are you? I thought that was only for pre-orders, like it was for Legion.
>>345299093
A lot of specs have very boring artifact abilities. I really appreciate the classes that have artifact abilities that complement your spec, like what Balance has, or at least do something that requires a bit of work by the player to maximize, like with unholy or demo.
>>345298624
Do you really need 6 weeks to figure out your new rotation with less buttons?
Not to mention rotation changes again once you get your artifact and the extra abilities on it.
6 weeks to relearn an eaiser rotation and another few months to unlock all your major traits and relearn that new rotation.
>>345299201
No anon you get it as long as you buy it, same happened with wod.
I kind of want to come back to WoW. But I'm on a dead server, and have no desire to spend the kind of money it would take to transfer all my toons to something else.
Does server matter for anything at this point though? I heard that Battlegroups basicly function as servers now or something? Can do raids, even guild up with people from diff servers?
>>345298956
Unsub until the legion invasion events start and demon hunters come out, it should happen either Aug 9 or Aug 16.
>>345298956
resub on aug 20th so you can do prepatch stuff
if you sub with tokens buy a token now and sit on it. tokens are very cheap right now and they will skyrocket
>>345299201
The "free" boost comes with the expac purchase. Its not based on prepurchasing or not. Only "bonus" for prepurchase is you can play the demon hunter a couple weeks early.
>>345299368
You can do raids with people from diff servers but not guild.
>tfw Legion launch won't funnel everyone into one zone
>tfw you won't know the glorious feeling of making it out of insane lag by hitting the second zone(s) early for questing
>>345299332
Yea Full Moon is kinda rad. Too bad I don't enjoy Balance as much these days.
Just saw Affl Lock's artifact power. Ewww.
>>345299040
Except I have a laundry list of stuff to go through and currently a lot of free time.
I don't care about being spoiled, I just want to get a feel for the DH tank and write some WeakAura strings.
>>345299087
Except for many people it was clear they'd buy it asap (to get ready for mythic progression), so why not pre-order and get whatever benefits that entails?
>>345298950
I understand why they did it and why it's neccessary. Doesn't change the fact it's a backwards step from what they did in the past.
Poor planning.
>>345299490
The worst ones are shit like what Ret has, where its just "press button to do damage every 45 seconds".
>>345299332
>Destro
>Spec shadowburn
>Drop 4 infernals, 3 portals, cataclysm, spam shadowburn on a boss in a dungeon for amazing burst
>That's it, if it doesn't die my damage becomes dogshit in the long run
>>345299475
You can do the zones in any order though.
>>345299536
You can get a feel for DH tanking when they come out in mid-August and Legion still hasn't hit yet.
>>345294771
don;t care got Beta.
>>345299475
>that tree-cutting quest in Shadowmoon Valley
I kinda hope they learned from their mistakes and don't design stupid bottle-necks like that in starting areas.
>>345299583
Its kind of a minor thing. The "nerf" only matters for like 5-6 weeks.
>>345299436
I swore I heard you could guild cross server. You sure that you can't?
>>345299685
They have had several "beta" launches specifically to identify those issues. They have also made shit like what those trees were unique to the player, so you aren't actually competing for them.
I assure you they will fuck up though. I still remember that fucking gyrocopter in MoP that kept me from playing for like 18 hours straight.
>>345299727
You can't join a guild if you're not in their server. You can raid with them.
>>345299635
Yea wake of ashes is pretty bad. I need to see Doomhammer's in action, those windfury procs could lead up to some serious Stormstrike bursting.
>>345299663
And with the beta I could make that decision now, wether to reroll or stay with my DK.
>>345297387
>permadeath
wait what?
>>345297989
South side on the lowest "tier" of the platform, you can fit in there and stand on the ground under the portal.
This is a potato screenshot from beta in the starting scenario, it is practically unchanged on live.
You can't actually attack people through the walls so it isn't super game breaking, it's just very sloppy to leave it in even after redoing the zone.
>>345299727
>>345299787
You can totally guild cross server. Just only certain servers.
>>345299783
I remember when garrison phasing didn't work and I was stuck on a gryphon above Lunarfall for hours. Or when I feel through the floor in the mine and couldn't log into my main for half a day.
>>345299839
If you fall out of void form, your character dies and gets a debuff that prevents them from getting bressed for a while. Its not "actual" permadeath, but it makes it a VERY bad choice on fights where you can't do enough damage while its up to make up for being dead for a long stretch of time afterwards.
>tfw playing a druid
WoD brought all the nerds to feral
The new forms in Legion are going to bring them all to guardian
I just want to be a snowflake bear.
>>345299927
>but it makes it a VERY bad choice on fights where you can't do enough damage while its up to make up for being dead for a long stretch of time afterwards.
Nigger you're meant to use it in the Execute phase so you don't fall out until after the boss is dead.
>>345297387
It's a fancy execute.
It is a HUGE boost the damage.
>>345299701
Longer than that. Artifacts don't really get good untill you get a couple of the major traits. And having finnaly tried beta, in 715 gear, mobs are major hp sponges.
>>345299905
Issue with garrisons is WoD launched before they actually tested them much. I was in the beta and it was fucking rough. The garrisons especially. So its no real surprise shit was bugged to hell and back. I feel way more optimistic for Legion though. Order halls are basically stripped down garrisons with some extra fluff, so they have the actual tech and everything already figured out, and everything actually ALREADY works, unlike the WoD beta where everything was broken when the Beta ended and still broken weeks later.
>>345299941
Whelp, guardians are the strongest tank right now, so good luck with that.
>>345299783
Well due to the excessive use of phasing, and individual phasing and what-not there have been some hilarious bugs on beta already, like if a rogue stealthed between an area where the name on the map changed, so the phase changed, it would phase them into a phase without anything in it until they relogged.
I can only imagine on live servers, especially notoriously buggy ones like Illidan with high pops, we'll see some more ridiculous shenanigans.
Also, as something that will definitely cause issues, Withered J'im is a world boss, he has an ability that causes him to spawn adds when he takes damage, with no upper limit as long as people keep hitting him.
>>345299536
Are there even any pre order bonuses this expac? I thought there wasn't.
>play ret
>thought ret would be the fotm spec because of memebringers
>turns out everyone's running to DKs
>everyone thinks ret is bad
Feels pretty good
>>345299905
You aren't the only one. I got lucky and broke out at one point though. It was fun roaming around with a group of people hunting rares and treasures and shit since we couldn't progress the quests.
Still an awful as fuck release.
>>345299635
Wake is crap. The upgrade is better since you get 5 HP from it. The burst from crusade gets nuts since you can stack it pretty damn quick.
>>345300052
Early access to Demon Hunters and a level 100 character boost.
>>345300141
You don't get the 100 boost for just buying the game?
>>345300001
>>345299983
Yeah, but it has to be a fight where the execute phase is a big enough deal to give up on the full fight length DPS boost the alternatives give. Which, to be fair, isn't uncommon. Hell, archimonde is basically a joke until the last 30% or so and then everything becomes a total fuckfest, and thats just on heroic. Mythic is even more a of a shitshow. Same with a lot of other bosses.
>>345300049
Kids will drop it in a month and go back to their DK's and Pallys
I only started playing one in wrath because I saw how much heath they could have.I stayed once I realized how fucking insane berserk was for doing damage on trash the HUGE GUTS hp just made it better
Still not looking forward to all the new guardian tanks who shift back into standard form and get one shot by bosses.
>>345299941
>First character was a balance drood
>Have love/hate relationship from vanilla til now
>Don't like it much on the PTR
>Will level up as it anyways.
I'm pretty sure I'm a masochist. I should hire a prostitute to whip my shit up.
>>345300052
You get to play the Demon Hunter 2-3 weeks early. Then again, I think the pre-order stuff stays until the day Legion launches so if you're gonna buy it afterwards you wouldn't miss anything anyway.
I can never really imagine why people would wait until after an expansion launches to buy it anyway. It's not going to be cheaper, all the info on the quality is available from beta and the game is constantly patched anyway.
Affliction or Demonology?
And why?
>>345300101
The artifact abilities that require major traits to git gud worry me for leveling. Beast Mastery has the same problem. They need all the major nodes to make your second pet actually function in a useful way. Until then, you are basically gimped.
what is going on with warlocks. i'mnewand really wanna play one, especially demonlogy but literally everyone at the blizzard forum is bitching 24/7. from what i've seen everywhere else they aren't as mad tho
>>345300285
Demo. You can summon Imps that ride Felhunters that charge at your opponent and blow themselves up.
>>345300241
Just stick with it, face tank is always fun and seeing tons of green numbers makes resto pretty fun, reminds me of the pre-nerf vamperic embrace for shadow priests
>>345300241
>balance
>in vanilla
>>345300193
With Haste people will be able to stay in Voidform for a very long time with Surrender to Madness. I can see some crazy Spriest DPS from the people that use it correctly.
I also see shitters that fuck it up and die all the time and get left behind in a dungeon because fuck waiting there for 3 minutes to res the fucker.
>>345300285
Demonology is dogshit, Affliction is useless outside raid boss fights and is back to being an extremely minor annoyance in PvP that just doesn't die, Destruction is useless outside quest content/5-mans
>>345300285
Demo, always demo, you're literally a zerg spec now with 3-10 minions, plus you can cast a spell that makes them ALL have an AoE damage zone around them.
>>345300215
>play blood DK
>manage to pull world top-50 rankings despite not being in a hardcore progression guild
>really enjoy maximizing dps while being virtually unkillable (during progression on Archimonde they had me tank a 2nd Deathcaller in a row, because our warrior never survived the phase-transition with one on him)
>all that will be gone with the pre-patch
>no more BoS-playstyle that actually required some skill on your part
>>345297387
Surrender to madness is why I am going shadow this expansion
Far sight is the best ability in the game
>>345300343
It'll be my third or fourth alt if I get that far. Enjoying other options at the moment. See how it goes though.
>>345300357
OOM 4 lyfe. Hurricane being the bottom talent was the shit...... :(
>>345300510
It's okay, I always appreciated good DK tanks.
All three of you
>>345300510
TANKS BTFO
>>345300565
DELETE THIS
>>345298402
It's true in this case, I do about 30% less of my damage from what I do on live
Feral or fury, /v/?
>>345300330
Imp-losion is so ridiculous. I really hope there are fights where that huge burst of damage is worth losing your imps. Demo may be supposedly weak dps wise, but I love the way the spec is flavor wise. I've always wanted my own little army of demons fucking shit up, and thats exactly what I got.
>>345299087
Pls dont bully my transmog, it's my favortite set.
>>345300629
Both are fun, but fury is more "simple" if you like that
>>345300650
>I really hope there are fights where that huge burst of damage is worth losing your imps
Almost 100% guaranteed. Burst phases and priority adds are standard fare for WoW encounters.
>>345300650
Implosion and then never casting dreadstalkers is a (comparatively) viable option for demo
>>345300693
You're not the only one. Shammy has some good sets.
>>345300578
>>345300581
Well, when the alpha started Troxism wrote a 40-page essay that basically spelled out how much tanking would suck in Legion.
Most of the points are still valid now, especially their "we're dumbing down the role, so that guilds won't be held back if their tanks are retarded" mentality.
>>345300760
How? You do like 10% of your damage, and everything else is your pets. How can you get away with not having dread stalkers up and constantly blowing up your imps?
>>345300784
>Troxism wrote a 40-page essay
wew lad
>>345300693
>tfw almost hunter set is awful
The tier 19 is Sylvanas themed as well. I'm so fucking mad
>>345300285
>>345300297
If you're interested in PvP don't go with demo you won't be able to do anything. Affliction is literally the same. Complaints I've seen with demo is low dps and up-keeping pets, it will probably get a damage buff. I find demo to be more interesting overall, they probably have the best artifact too
>blizzard forum
AVOID
>>345300870
He isn't even exaggerating, it's 44 fucking pages.
>play combat rogue
>had awesome expectations for change to outlaw
>all we get is shit RNG and our cleave nerfed
Do i reroll or stick it out till we get buffed?
>>345300289
I think most specs are like that. It's very annoying but they want you to put some work into it.
I see some good and bad from it. Sucks not working properly untill you have all the major nodes but it's nice to have some growth outside the gear treadmill.
>>345300784
Tanking has always been easy since cata and the change over to "active tanking"
You just have to be able to use your cool downs decently, don't turn your back, and be able to move the bosses in a non-erratic manner.
But goddamn if people don't still know how to fucking get hit in the face correctly.
>>345300784
I will never have more fun tanking than I did in MoP on my brewmaster. I loved not being able to die while shitting damage. When you can tell your healers to fuck off and heal the retarded dps because you can keep yourself up for a minute straight on any given fight without a single external heal, thats where you really get to revel in tanking fun.
>tfw the only classes I ever enjoyed were paladin, hunter and shaman
>have no idea what to play in Legion
>>345300693
>"Huh, looks like shamans are actually viable now."
>"Let's see what we can do about that. ;^)"
>>345300595
HFC is a beautiful raid.
>>345294771
>current year
>still playing content simulator
>>345300856
Dreadstalkers are only viable with improved dreadstalkers because imps get more artifact buffs, and dreadstalkers do very little damage in general for their cost/CD; also HoG has a delay before it spawns imps, so you can implosion after you HoG and essentially execute the old imps, without casting dreadstalkers, you can always drop 4 more imps as your previous 4 die off.
>>345300932
I saw it. I love dk tank but I wasn't ready to read that shit.
>>345300935
Outlaw is the worst spec in the beta, even lvling is hard and our artifact trait is useless in mythic raid/dungeon.
Oh and Assassination aoe is better.
>>345300991
They're brutal in Hearthstone ATM so they had to be nerfed in WoW to compensate
>>345300970
Legon Shaman is GOATYAY.
>>345297190
god you are such a cuck
>>345300870
>You will never have a game comsume such a large part of your life to the point where you make a tanking thesis on a new expansion that the developers will never care about.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rNeybQ76QKKQ2k5NXoErhG6bfijHo8O1FPHuqxR54JE/edit?pref=2&pli=1
>>345300784
>ret paladins have a 100 pages of feedback
>blizzard doesn't care
Doesn't matter how well written or loud your voice is. Blizzard does whatever the fuck they want.
>>345300991
Poor shammys, they always get shat on.
>>345300938
Well, a couple specs have interesting shit, one way or another. Enhance has 6 seconds of automatic and buffed windfury which feeds passive skills and lets you do some crazy shit. Fire mages get some interesting interactions too. As do a few other specs. Its just the specs that are "pres sbutton to do damage" that suck. And there are more than there should be, for sure.
>>345300991
>Blizzard's face when nerfing warlocks literally every beta patch for no discernible reason
>>345301083
To be fair they are op as fuck in the beta, they do need a nerf, same goes for unholy dk.
>>345300991
What are you talking about? Most of that is buffs. Alpha Wolves got nerfed because Feral Spirits are getting buffed baseline.
>>345301020
Yeah, but why wouldn't you take improved dreadstalkers?
>>345301004
>next year
>playing any other crappy simulator or worse clones
>>345300991
B U S S H O C K
>>345300941
>>345300946
And this is what they want to remove: player skill mattering in survival. The result was that they had to make bosses hit harder and damage to come in burstier to compensate for people using their AM effectively. This meant that mediocre or shit tanks were/are getting absolutely obliterated.
Of course the answer can't be to tell people to git gud, so they just removed all the agency/skill from tanking and turned you into a target-dummy the healers can play whack-a-mole on.
>>345301037
May roll DH then not because i am edgy or something but because its new.
>>345300079
>thinks
I was planning to come back and try out a shadow priest but I just read there are no new battlegrounds or pvp areas. Fuck this shitty cash cow game I ain't doing Arathi and Ashran again. And fuck raiding.
Saved me 50 bucks I guess
>>345301073
I couldn't even get through the Abstract. Jesus.
Didnd't blizzard invite that bald cuck from twitter and the nostralius crew to their hq? Did anything come out of that?
>>345301172
Because implosion does ST damage, but also has benefits of cleaving
>>345298289
>ffxiv
>2016
lol
>>345301104
Yeah the designs are really hit and miss. Even within a class between specs. I've mained paladin for a long time. It baffles me how prot got all sorts of goodies and is amazing in pvp despite the nerfs but then whoever is incharge of ret hates it with a passion.
Still wanna kill the stupid fucks that thought removing gladiator and fistweaving was a good idea while adding a new class and changing disc/survial/outlaw radically.
>>345300991
This is why I don't abandon my classes pre expansion.
I have no idea why shamans are so excited because I knew exactly this would happen. Shamans are not allowed to be good and they should realize that by now
>>345301219
Really weird choice when they saw in MoP how much people liked all the active mitigation Brewmasters had, and then changed EVERY tank to be more like that in WoD.
I mean, yeah, stupid tanks died. But so what? Making tanks so boring no one wants to play them doesn't fix anything.
>>345301172
>>345301326
similar ST damage
>>345300991
Nothing will ever top Shamans getting nerfed because of how OP Warlocks are.
>>345301141
As long as their single target-AoE ratio is more balanced than it was when WoD launched.
Just reading the talent tree for spriest almost makes me want to resub. I only see "voidform" though under the tree. Did they rename shadowform? I got the impression voidform was something different but I don't see shadowform.
>>345301073
This literally boils down to
>WHY CAN'T DK'S DO WHAT OTHER CLASSES CAN
>WHY DO YOU HAVE FUN TALENTS INSTEAD OF +2% TO THING
>FUCK YOU BLIZZ YOU MADE MY CLASS TANKING TOO THEMATIC I WANT STATS
Nigga thinks blood beasts and worms are dumb
>>345294771
>4 weeks of NO NEW CONTENT despite the pre-patch being put out early.
What's wrong with that? That's just like getting doc for a game every month
>>345301141
Unholy DKs were kind of neat when I tried them. A nice mix of dots and pets. Honestly almost makes me want to boost one and play it in legion.
>>345301192
>do something shitty
>get called out by the player base
>so salty you lash out
>get fired
>player base remembers your stupidity a decade later and still laughs.
Wonder if he ever looks back and realize how stupid he was and how much he could of been paid 12 years later.
>>345301464
Literally google it.
>>345301307
No, and I seriously doubt Blizzard is giving legacy servers much thought.
There is a very vocal minority who want to have retail Nostalrius, while the majority of people only played it because it was free.
Bringing the old code into an acceptable form and integrating it with the current b.net architecture would probably need half an expansion developement's worth of work-hours, all for content that the majority of current players don't care for.
>>345301307
Like with all internet outrage bliz just wethered the storm till they got mad about something else. (Ghostbusters reboot)
Nothing will be done in the end.
>>345301464
Shadowform is gone. Now the spec works like current Demo does. You gain insanity from your spells. When your insanity gets to 100, you can shift into voidform which gives you stacking haste and dot damage every second its up, and give you a void bolt ability you can spam. You basically want to generate as much insanity as possible during void form so it stays up as long as possible and gives you huge dot and haste buffs.
>>345301532
I thought I'd ask on a video game image board, inside a thread dedicated to the discussion of the newest WoW expac, you retarded nigger. Of course I could Google it, but then what the fuck is the point of this board?
Female Undead or Female Blood Elf for Priest? Aesthetics only.
>>345301465
Well, Blood Beasts were scrapped completely and Worms are still useless, so he wasn't wrong.
>>345301538
>>345301546
Perfect.
Not caving in is a good decision for blizzard
>>345301370
Old shamans are well used to it, you only see complaints from the newer ones.
>>345301652
Female undead without shoulders are qt
>>345294771
How are the Demon Hunters? Are they ok, OP or shit?
>>345301652
Blood elf. They're absurdly overused, but they have some of the best animations in the game.
are rogues getting cucked again this expansion?
all signs point to yes
>>345301658
Useless, yes.
Fun and neat, yes.
>>345301465
>Nerf tanks in such a way to make raids less dependent on them
>all the forum rage about the changes to BrM
>Celestalon: you guys are playing it wrong, you gotta git gud
>Gitting gud means telling your healer not to fill your health bar
>>345301706
what weapon?
>>345301735
They are ok, not op and not shit, the dps spec is kinda meh but the tank spec is amazing.
>>345301508
What's wrong is that no other pre-patch has been released early. Nor has any other pre-patch delayed it's new content events. All the pre-patch events were always aviaable soon as the patch hits.
What's the point in delaying the events? What's the point in giving 2 extra weeks to learn striped down mechanics that change once you get your artifact?
>these 1280x961 screenshots
the fuck kind of monitor are you playing on, OP?
>>345301507
Shaman's had a talent that increased spell damage on the target.
Warlocks who were already critting for 1 million started critting for 1.5 million.
Instead of tuning Warlocks to everyone else's numbers, they gutted Shamans damage and removed the talent.
Then they buffed Warlocks to compensate.
It was probably one of the biggest outrage and shit-flinging moments in WoW history that I can remember.
>>345301735
Both Havoc and Vengeance are ok, "middle of the field" to "above average". I'd never play Havoc though since it's too flashy and every shitter on the planet will play an edgy dps Demon Hunter.
At least Vengeance won't be as crowded since people avoid the responsibility of tanking like the plague.
>>345301761
yes and i am mad about it outlaw it sounded so good on paper but it falls flat.
>>345301823
Ulthalesh; I decided against transmogging the artifacts
>>345301765
>my crits sometimes spawn little worms that do no damage and have no influence on my game-play
>when I get damaged, they disappear in a little poof and I get healed for a bit
>"fun"
>>345301932
>that fucking trait
daily reminder that it was 20%hp per cast before the "buff" to 5%.
>>345301982
Oh that's the artifact? No wonder why it looks so good.
>rogue since TBC
>mfw Legion
>>345302009
You're literally creating maggots that heal you.
Make them more visible, make them have a better exploding animation, and them make them heal you for more.
Man game design is hard, too bad I don't pay my artists and instead blow it on coke - Metzen
I'm more excited about the new transmog system than anything else. Being able to go shoulderless barefoot on everyone is neat.
>expansion about a demonic invasion
>not playing a paladin
BOOM BOOM CRASH
That's all it takes for the Burning Legion to invade your world
Balance be damned.
Why are SPriest AOE so awful?
>>345302146
>Why are SPriest so awful?
ftfy
>>345294771
Are you fucking stupid? Prepatch has always been like this, they have announced the release date of Legion and that's 30th August you stupid fuck. Prepatch is completely different thing you fucking mongoloid. REMOVE THIS THREAD ALREADY.
>>345302145
Not use the invasion as an opportunity to enslave literal semen demons
>>345301835
An HP vs17e.I still had XP a little over a year ago. I'm just lazy until something breaks.
>>345302293
dick status:muh
>>345302131
It's completely passive. You don't use any new abilities. It changes nothing about your skills. You can't even plan around them because they procc on crits, which are RNG.
Not to mention that Heartbraker is so absurdly better that there is never a single situation where you'd pick them. You'd have to deliberately gimp yourself for no reason.
>>345302139
>wanted to make a monk
>couldn't decide between male Draenei or Human
>>345301652
Everyone and their mom will be blood elf demon hunters. So I would go with undead.
>>345302145
Ret is weak and boring as shit.
>>345302145
Acording to the new lore books diagram opposing the Fel or demons is natures job so better rev up them druids.
>>345302268
>Pre-patch has always been 1 month, give or take a few days, before xpac proper
>always a few new evets to do right when the pre-patch hits
>legion pre-patch is 6 weeks before
>events and DH are locked till 3-4 weeks till after pre-patch
Educate yourself before spewing shit from your mouth.
>>345302210
Spriests in Legion are downright broken on certain fights and situations. So bullshit.
>>345302471
Blue bear reporting in
>>345302293
Even if their numbers aren't great, locks win for having the best class hall and one of the best classes in terms of flavor.
>>345302126
>Shaman since TBC.
>Quit in Throne of Thunder during Pandaland.
>Loved the shit outta my class but I no longer have people to play with on a server with more NPC's in Stormwind than a playerbase.
>>345302139
>barefoot
Can I hide my belt?
At what point in non-raid content does spamming Flash Heal of any equivalent become a problem for mana?
>>345302593
No, but I'm sure you can find a belt that blends with whatever else your wearing to look mostly invisible.
>>345302564
Everything about the warlock quest campaign is great; everyone else is trying to help stop the legion and warlocks are just barely not making things worse by cleaning their own incredibly stupid messes before they get out of control
What classes get favored the most and which get shit on the most?
It always felt like rogues, shaman, and warlocks were only strong on accident, and then nerfed hard.
Mages always seem to be taken care of in the nicest ways.
Palidans are always being reworked.
I'd say most favored class is Mage, least favored is...shaman or rogue, I can't decide.
>>345294771
its the current year and people still play game?
>>345302471
Pretty sure it's arcane's job to combat the fel.
Nature's job is to combat the undead and necromancy.
>>345302713
I've got a game for you
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>>345302471
Never go full retard.
It's arcanes job even though Mister Garry's fel fucks even the titans up.
>>345302593
there are a few inv betls, like the starting zone dk belt
>>345302708
Except Hunters. Which are super flavorful but fucking boring.
>>345302709
>It always felt like rogues, shaman, and warlocks were only strong on accident, and then nerfed hard.
Actually warlocks are kind of the opposite, Blizzard has a bad track record for ruining them in betas, ignoring feedback, and continually nerfing them for no reason, only to realize they broke the class and then overbuff them and leave it that way on live until next expac
>>345302709
What? Rogues have consistently been one of the best DPS classes throughout the entirety of WoW. Rogues even had a pair of Legendary weapons for them ALONE, something no other class has had. Rogues were, are and will continue to be one of the strongest classes in the game.
>>345302589
Make new character on a new server with people and find a guild. Legion comes with a 100 boost or you can level normaly since you've got another 6 weeks.
Can always transfer your character as well. Come on anon, go out and make new wow friends.
>burning crusade takes literally 7 hours to clear
I didn't even leave Hellfire by the time I hit 70. Nice """game""" you've got here Blizzard.
>>345302293
Locks enjoy the best in life.
>>345302842
>Rogues even had a pair of Legendary weapons for them ALONE, something no other class has had.
What about the legendary bow?
>>345302789
>Fucking author is wearing a sombrero
>It's an opinion that the hat is silly
What the fuck unrealistic game
>>345302842
when i played wod for like 2 months they made my rouge a piece of fucking shit.
