Will 4.0 fix this steaming pile of shit?
Or does the game have to die before SE does something about their golden goose and that fraud Yoshi-P gets fired ?
Whats wrong with it?
>>345285872
Extremely shallow casual disposable content that boils down to pretty hallways that you get bored of running in the first day.
Capped everything capped tomes capped scrips capped raid drops and a restrictive penalty system that makes it extremely difficult to raid without being lucky enough to have a static.
Heavy vertical progression that makes content obsolete sometimes on release.
It's shit.
>>345285872
Literally nothing, it's just OP having no taste whatsoever.
>>345285774
>Will 4.0 fix this steaming pile of shit?
No. It will just be more of the same shit. The devs have zero creativity.
Oh boy another 2 dungeons that is completely linear, has 3 faceroll bosses with faceroll trash in between. AMAZING!
I'm curious to see how much WORSE they will make crafting and gathering in future updates. They fucked it over completely in HW
>>345285774
That "fraud" helped save Square Enix when they were going through rough times, as well as redeemed Final Fantasy's good name. Show some respect.
>>345286450
>redeemed Final Fantasy's good name.
Final Fantasy is and always will be a complete joke after 2001
>>345285774
Have they done anything about the mass exodus to gilgamesh yet?
>>345286450
>implemented all the good shit Tanaka had been working on to improve 1.0
>now is out of ideas
And it shows. Not even sure why casuals keep subbing to this game seen as their end-game is housing and they can't even get that feature right.
>>345286551
Gilgamesh is losing players to other servers last I checked.
>>345286551
3.5 will have cross-realm chatrooms
>>345286551
was gilgamesh where all da hardcore raiders went?
>>345287156
I wish there were any houses available. I just want to decorate shit.
Can't wait for a spicy census in 3.4
Let's see if it's fallen below the 200k player mark yet.
>>345286285
>>345286416
The playerbase needs to change. Steps of Faith was a duty in the right direction, but everyone balks at any originality so we'll keep getting our 3 boss trash mob faceroll garbage.
>>345285774
I really really wanna play this game. Should I buy a ps4 or can I build a pc that can run it for about the same price? Pls respond
>>345288439
Totally depends at the end of the day if you want more exclusives on PC or PS4. You can make a console killer at the same price as a PS4.
PC has a fuckhuge library though and is eating up console exclusives as time goes on
>>345286450
All he did was shit out another themepark MMO using ideas shamelessly taken from other games. He and his team were creatively bankrupt from the start. All of the time, money and man power he had at his disposal, and ARR was the result; how pitiful.
>>345288439
Play on a fucking PC with a fucking keyboard like a proper human being.
>>345285774
>4.0
>ever happening
Heavensward will go as far as 3.8555 I swear
>>345288598
I would prefer pc but can I really build one for around 400 that can run it good?
>>345288642
I want too but I don't know how much a pc that can run it would cost
>>345288729
They already confirmed HW will only go to 3.55 like ARR did.
>>345288602
>time, money, and manpower
>MMO developed in 3 years when most take 10
>extremely tight budget because 1.0 spent all the profits from FFXI
>so little available manpower they had to outsource artwork to china
>>345288729
They have a set release schedule for patches and expansions. 4.0 will come after 3.55, about 9 months from now.
>they think we'll drop PS3 version for the next expansion
>>345286416
>The devs have zero creativity.
I wanna say from the little things they do get to deviate from I wanna say they have plenty of creativity. The problem is that the game's mission is to pander to literally the lowest common denominator when it comes to most of the content.
Zero meaningful customization with boring, safe abilities so that everyone gets a pretty toy to play with but doesn't have to put any real thought into it.
Only gays play MMOs anymore
>>345289280
>doesn't have to put any real thought into it
>most parties were unable to complete easy as fuck DPS check in Final Steps of Faith on release day
kek
>>345288642
you can play with mouse+keyboard on ps4
>>345289568
You'll still be subject to PSN outages, being unable to parse your performance, among other things.
>>345289528
>people crying Ozma is too hard
>all you have to do is move one meteor to the left and one to the back
>>345288831
My FX6300 HD 7790 runs it just fine.
>>345289850
Thanks for trying to help but I think I'll just buy a ps4. I'm way to retarded to try and build a pc
>>345289813
Wiping City of Mhach is funny, it's like an apology for how god awful and boring Void Ark was, and the response is funny
>UGH, MECHANICS
>Why can't I facerooooooll
>>345289983
Don't be too hard on yourself, Anon, you'd have to be literally retarded to not being able to build a pc.
>>345289983
I'll build your pc for blowjobs
>>345288642
There is literally no reason to play FF14 on a keyboard/mouse unless you're a monk or a healer.
>>345290004
>and the response is funny
But the overall reception for Weeping City has been overwhelmingly positive.
>>345290403
>There is literally no reason to play FF14
Agreed.
>>345286285
The majority of players keep paying and subbing for that content, so that's why the game keeps going that direction.
It may sound crazy, but not everything is intended for everyone, and it seems like XIV isn't for you, my friend.I share your frustration, but there doesn't seem to be much on the MM market these days. Trying to get back into EVE after years of not playing, but even EVE is buckling under current MMO trends
>>345290403
Controller players always underperform compared to M&KB players.
>>345286537
FFXI came out in 2002 and invalidated the argument with how brutal it was, where having devs that hate their playerbase was a feature
>>345290714
>Controller players always underperform compared to M&KB players.
Not doubting you, but curious as to where the stats are for that
>>345290714
>Controller players always underperform
Do you have a single fact to back that up?
>>345290403
Controllers are a crutch. You may have convinced yourself that pressing 40% more buttons on average to do same things isn't a problem, but it is.
Objectively, Targeting on a gamepad is terrible, especially when many multiple targets are present. The interface is still Windows widget-based, and while they did do a good job of adapting it for a gamepad, it's still merely a crutch.
Subjectively, MCH, DRG, SMN openers on a gamepad are literally cancer.
Everyone getting excited for Tuesday's Deep Dungeon? Any planned party compositions?
>>345290796
>>345290838
Console players are the bulk of controller users, and they tend to have lower clear rates on higher content, and in many cases, will fill the role of shitter in groups.
I've observed this due to running three FCs across the span of the game, and anecdotal evidence from other players, though it tends to be more of a mindset of "I'm going to have fun and relax!" versus "Time to play seriously like I'm motherfucking Mozart"
>We'll never get Chemist
>They'll never make a magical trap/zone class like ACN was supposed to be or give us whips as a flayer
>GEO, RDM, BLU, DNC will never be properly implemented because of holy trinity bullshit and 4 man dungeon limitations
>PLD will always be boring to play
have they even confirmed anything for 4.0 yet? like ps3 dro, new level cap, the gimmick(flying mounts), or if they are dropping ps3 ?
>>345291264
No. Wait until fanfest in October.
>>345290689
there is not a better game for erp out there
>still no proper AA
>still no 50-60 traits
>still no 6th cross class skill slot for level 60's or cross classing from any of the new classes
I love the game but these seem like very minor things that should have been implemented in 3.0
>>345291352
What the fuck are you gonna cross-class? Some jobs struggle to fill up five slots.
>>345291113
>Everyone getting excited for Tuesday's Deep Dungeon? Any planned party compositions?
Solo. Not having to rely on shitters for your own progression is going to be the nicest thing ever.
>>345291338
GW2
>>345291352
cross classing and branchinf classes were both basically dropped concepts.
pretty sure theres some interview out there stating that they want to rework that system
>>345291219
>GEO, RDM, BLU, DNC will never be properly implemented because of holy trinity bullshit and 4 man dungeon limitations
kill me senpai
>>345291485
>Solo. Not having to rely on shitters for your own progression is going to be the nicest thing ever.
Cancer that killed MMOs right here.
>>345291352
ps3 limitations
>>345291264
Only thing confirmed so far that I'm aware of is increased inventory is being considered, since it sounds like expansion launches are the only time SE really signs paychecks for XIV anymore.
>>345291219
>remembers whips being discussed in 1.0 by Tanaka and team
>was prepared to go full Belmont
>made it to Ishgard before whipping the world, with no future in sight for my desired weapon
>>345291352
Cross-Class seemed to be neglected since Yoshi hates the base class system, and has ranted about how he would prefer jobs instead.
Really wouldn't be surprised if they go Cataclysm route years down the road and end up reworking base designs after players are beyond the point of really being affected by drastic changes.
>>345291489
>no marriage
>no housing
>sjw bullshit
>no catgirls (furshit dont count)
and from my experience ffxiv just has better rpers. gw2 was pretty shit
>>345291543
The games set up should have been tank -damage - healer - support. Would have been more interesting.
>>345290961
what classes are good on a controller then, currently i have little choice in the matter
>>345291573
>Not wanting to play with people that can't grasp simple mechanics and get everyone killed, thus hindering everyone else's progression
>is somehow cancer
Stop sucking and maybe people will want to play with you.
>>345291728
anything but sch smn nin and mnk
tank probably easiest
>>345291728
>what classes are good on a controller then, currently i have little choice in the matter
Not monk, I can tell you that much.
>>345291728
Black mage seems like it would lend itself fairly well to controller.
>>345291748
>trash dungeon
>mechanics
ayyyy
>>345291850
>>345291807
Is this a meme? How is monk hard on a gamepad? They have six buttons.
>>345291264
It's going to be Ala Migho, that much is already obvious. As for what the gimmick will be my bet is that the expansion will have a focus on building an army to fight against the Garleans. We already have heard about the Grand Company Mercenary system they want to implement where you'll be able to train your squad of NPC mercs and i'm expecting that will come in play now that liberating Ala Migho will be our next priority.
>>345291681
That would've been mint
I understand why they don't do that, but it still tans my rawhide that it wasn't that way2x support (counting things like heals and tank as support too) and 2x DPS would have been pretty awesome and true to the console games too desu
>>345291976
Shitters never fail to surprise, my friend.
>>345291748
Deep Dungeon is just trash mobs retard.
Also it's just another type of content that ruins MMOs. NOTHING happens in the world of FFXIV. You only see people gathering or doing those lame HUNTS.
just sit in town, queue for shit on DF and that's it. Boring.
>>345292059
positioning
>>345292282
Deep Dungeon has a boss every 10 floors.
You also can't enter it through duty finder.
>>345292059
>They have six buttons.
Is THIS a meme? You either have never played a level 60 monk or you're shit. Or possibly even both.
Speaking of shitty DPS, any word on DPS meters so we can pick out people like this?
>>345292380
And? Lock on, sit by the diagonal split and do your shit.
>>345290961
>>345291113
youu must have been playing with some casual shitters on controllers then, which wouldn't be surprising given console users are often casual. still, with proper customization and optimization, a controller user playing seriously shouldn't have much difficulty at all keeping up, especially after muscle memory does half the job for you.
>>345291491
>pretty sure theres some interview out there stating that they want to rework that system
By "rework" they mean "act like it never existed so hopefully players will forget about it eventually", like base classes for new jobs, elemental/status resists, discipline-specific gear, the pointless options on character creation, etc.
XIV's development direction is as terrible as Wakfu's, but at least frogs have enough courage to rework the damn thing (multiple times if required) instead of leaving it behind and hoping for it to be forgotten forever (though XIV will probably never reach Wakfu's levels of unfinished/cut content, shit is pretty much french Sonic 2).
>>345292454
still same policy
no meters but you can parse
just dont mention it in game
NO BULLYING
>>345292463
I play MCH and SMN. Last week I spent five hours trying to make up a good palette and relearn the openers on a gamepad. After a hundred tries I just said nope and went back to keyboard.
I just don't see a single positive about using a gamepad other than muh couch gaming.
>>345292454
they wont ever do it because they dont want to turn the community against itself. The community is already against itself when it comes to getting raid shit done. Think of the fucking autism that would come out of the game if everybody was riding eachother's cock during shitty dungeon runs.
FF14 is for fags. If you play this game you're a shit lord. Name one redeeming factor about ff14 as far as gameplay goes. Go.
>>345292426
But you can from what I remember, since people will be able to play with pugs across servers, unless I'm mistaken.
>>345291485
Wait, you can solo deep dungeon? So any party comp is fine? They finally added combat content that isn't "praise the holy trinity or get out" shit?Time to resub.
>>345292746
Endgame boss dances are really funwith a good party of friends
>>345292765
They've had those since day 1, called fates. Aquapolis to a lesser extent too.
>>345292765
>They finally added combat content that isn't "praise the holy trinity or get out" shit?
You realize that in case of this game it means "It's so easy it can be cleared by four healers out of cleric stance"?
>>345292764
They explicitly stated you have to enter through Quarrymill.
>>345285774
Someone explain dps rotations to me.
>>345292107
Problem is the $$$ bottom line, that's why the genre has fallen into stagnation. I feel what you're tossing out there, but gotta take baby steps. Having a dedicated support role that buff/debuff/CC'd would have been enough of a change to separate ARR from the rest of the mold. Even make them over powered out the gates just to inject people's interest into this lost play style.
Ultimately 1.0 failing is what caused cookie cutter shit that the game is now. If people want things to change, unsub. I haven't been back since month 2 of HW and enjoy keeping tabs on the situation. Hasn't improved any sadly.
>3/240
>>345292765
They mentioned them being possible to solo, What this means exactly is uncertain but as they've never mentioned things like this being possible to solo before then yeah, I think there's a good chance you can hope for that.
Here's hoping anon.
>>345289651
Nobody except shitters who think they're actually good cares about parsing
I play with a group of PS4 players who are better than most braindead PC shitters
Not saying they're all that way, but parsing hardly matters and FFlogs is a fucking cesspool of garbage and inflated parses
>>345292765
Yes and no. It's possible to do so, but one has to level their character up with gear and such from Deep Dungeon first.
Everyone starts out at level 1 in that mode, which will be hectic.
What >>345292897 stated is what the end result will be, since SE stated they balanced it around to where x4 DPS can even clear the content, as well as solo play.
The only thing it really has going for it is different gameplay mechanics than the norm, a new type of glowy weapon that gets powered up inside the dungeon and can be used outside after a point, and probably glamour options, with a pinch of new exp options.
>>345292975
Huh. Means I need to correct some previous misinformation I spread to my FC members.
>>345292975
>dont have to queue
>have to enter through quarrymill
>quarry is just another word for queue
cant even keep a single promise
I haven't played in a year since HW came out but I'm about to resubscribe to get caught up on the main story content.
Have I really missed out on much? Last thing I did was try regular Alex when it first came out.
>>345293167
>Nobody except shitters who think they're actually good cares about parsing
Parsing is used for problem identification and self-improvement, I don't know what kind of stick is there up your ass.
>I play with a group of PS4 players who are better than most braindead PC shitters
You have 10 seconds to tell me how you identify the platform of the player at a glance. Go on. I'm waiting.
> parsing hardly matters
If it was widely available it would at least inform that bard who does 500 dps at level 60 that he's not doing good enough to even clear a main story boss fight.
>FFlogs is a fucking cesspool of garbage and inflated parses
You sound like someone whose ego got hurt by somebody better at the game. FFlogs is a great tool to see how other players' performance stacks against yours and learn rotations and tricks other people use to adapt to particular fights. I'm sorry you're too retarded to actually use it the intended way.
>>345293126
>Working on Steps 1, 3, and 4 at the same time
>Have half of the crystals from 1,
>70/80 from 3 with none of the crafted parts,
>Have enough to do 40 upgrades in 4
>Still using 210 weapon because no one will take me to do primal exs until I have a relic weapon.
Difficulty needs to be toned down
I was a heroic raider in Mists of Pandaria but even story content in FFXIV is more difficult, it's absurd
>>345291728
it's a bunch of bullshit anon, play whatever you want. i main mnk, and also play regularly smn, blm and wtm, and maybe i'll pick up war and mch as well and i do just fine on controller. and monk is easy as hell once you understand the class and get used to moving around, locking on helps a ton too.
the one problem i've come accross so far is that smn takes a lot of space because of pet micromanaging eating bar space, but otherwise the class itself is easy to use (but also easy to misuse, ala ruin spamming) and very versatile. macros for stuff like pet buffs help conserve space though, which is always nice.
blm is plain easy, it's the kind of class where the mechanics and the juggling of buffs while finding optimal spots to turret are more likely to be a problem than the use of abilities itself is. it also seems to be one of the less space-consumming jobs.
whm i'm in the process of levelling but much like with blm button pressing and ability usage as well as space usage are easy, it's stance dancing and watching everyone's health, your mp and avoiding tunnel vision while dpsing that can get you.
tips for controller users:
-r2+l2 hotbars (think they're called dynamic), learn to use them if you haven't, they are life and space savers. depending on class you might not even need to use both and can stick to a single one for both button combos for ease of use.
-macros are nice to save space, just don't use them for rotations, better use them for buffs/debuffs only
-customize your hotbars and which ones you share or don't. use hotbar change when drawing weapon, that way you don't need to keep any non-combat skill on your combat hotbars.
-set up your abilities in actual patterns or easy-to remember sequences, like putting combo moves together or separating single target and aoe actions. with muscle memory to help after playing enough it'll flow naturally.
good luck anon.
>>345293481
>You have 10 seconds to tell me how you identify the platform of the player at a glance. Go on. I'm waiting.
Not him, but PS4 and especially PS3 players take longer to load past cutscene skipping.
>>345293719
That's not true, my current PC is worse than what I used to have and I can feel the longer load times, especially in populated zones. I actually think my PS4 account may be loading faster at times.
>>345293481
Or you could just play the game and not waste hours looking through parsing logs for a 0.5% improvement, or watching someone else play a game.
>>345293832
>Cutscenes
>Populated zones
>PS4 account
Fuck off with your shitty bait. Play the game before you spout this retarded nonsense
>>345293481
>>345293719
>>345293832
the easiest way of telling if some one is playing on a console is to examine them, in the bottom right corner of the screen you'll see their PSN ID
No Red Mage, no buy.
>>345293868
I can tell you've never actually cleared coil or savage without overgear.
>>345293868
post your clears plz
How much accuracy do you need on nin?
>gearing up, no gear has acc, at like 550 acc now
>>345292669
it's the transition. if i tried to go to kb+m i'd be incapable of doing anything and would struggle to hit the right keys, in short i;d have a terrible time too.
since i've used controller from the start even on multiple classes i just got used to it, but i can understand why you'd struggle.
>>345293832
i can agree with load times. i was using a 10+year old hard drive up until a few weeks ago. shit was slower than ps4 players, about same as ps3.
>>345293956
>Ice Staff
FFXI was a magical time. Great memories. It was worth it going back to finish rhapsodies.
>>345288379
>Steps of Faith was a duty in the right direction
I hope you mean that with the meagerest possible praise. Originality =/= quality. I've only done it as a DPS but it used none of the skills or knowledge I'd gained in the hundreds of hours up to that point, just pointing and clicking. Just a boring turret section from a shooter, except worse because the aiming is so simplifies. Mindnumbingly boring.
>>345294081
>NIN with all the staves to use when he did ninjutsu wheel
>>345293945
Only if you're a console shitter yourself.
>>345294236
Well he is, he told us as much.
>>345294216
it was my favorite fight when i played. heard they nerfed it but its the only one where i spent an entire day running it over and over still having fun
>>345294231
>Nin tanks pre-shadow aoe nerf
>RNG/NINs before the great nerf of 04
Sidewinder was king.
the game is boring, that is literally it
the raids are fucking mindless and boring, regardless of their complexity, and if you aren't raiding there is more or less nothing to do
>>345294472
crafting, erp, gold saucer games
>>345294472
honestly that's most games like this and in general once you reach end-game content.
most of the fun is actually getting there, when you have shittons of goals and new stuff to get and discover, new fights to learn and try out, when you still have classes to level and such.
once all that is done and all you have left are raids it's obvious you're gonna get tired eventually, it's why they launch expansions regularly.
>>345293945
You can enable the viewing of this on PC via memory editing since it's all sent as part of the packet that holds the examine data.
Any MMO that isn't a seamless world is trash.
Any MMO with flying mounts is trash.
Any MMO where you just sit in town, click two buttons and teleport to dungeon with people from other servers you will never talk to or give a shit who they are is trash.
>>345294936
Seamless world isn't a deal breaker for me, and it's such a resource hog from a development standpoint that you could do better things focusing on non-shit content/fundamentals instead.
>>345294936
>that last line
sorry the game doesn't require us to sit for days and get to know a full team of people before even attempting content that can be cleared in less than an hour.
>>345295034
yeah small areas let us get stuff like really good lighting, partical effects, more on screen characters, flora, large inticate set pieces, and unique non repeated textures
>>345292669
I main SMN on a controller and I find it hard to believe anyone could have trouble playing it on one.
>>345295209
Not him, but I can tell you're from post-dungeon finder in games. Dungeon finder killed any sense of community MMOs could have had. Not to mention you literally say you don't want to do the M part or the M part in MMO.
Yda is best girl
>>345295365
It has it's place depending on where. When ARR first released, Duty Finder worked for leveling content and the tome grinds (WP and AK) but doing the HM Primals, Hydra and Chimera for the relic was a great community building endeavor. But once all that shit went on the DF, yup I agree. Killed any friends or names I had met that weren't in my FC.
>>345295209
>I don't want to play with other people
fuck off from MULTIPLAYER games
>>345294936
I only agree with your last line desu
>>345295280
Fixed areas just gives you more budgeting room. Whether or not a dev actually makes use of it is up to the schedule/budget/target-hardware/etc.
But that line of thinking goes for pretty much everything.
The problem is that manually partying up for everything simply wouldn't work for this game. For it to be able to work without a matchmaker it would have to be a completely different game.
Yoshi-P is going to keep riding that tomestone cap til FFXIV dies or til he gets fired when they realize he's a WoWfag pandering hack.neither will happen
>>345294472
Content in XIV is kinda like a double-edged sword. The game have tons of content, but most of them are completely independent from each other (minion minigame is pretty much an exception, since it mostly uses minions from other kinds of content).
You aren't forced to do them to progress, but the only reason to do them is because you want to. And if you don't want to, there is "no content".
And if you want to, I hope it is something dutyfinder/solo-friendly (because it is hard to find people with "certain" interests even with cross server party finders, like running crystal tower for old pets and sets) and unrelated to housing.
>>345286450
>as well as redeemed Final Fantasy's good name
Final Fantasy fans or a majority of them don't give a single shit about the online games to them Final Fantasy XIII was the nail in the coffin and XIV doesn't exist they would have just waited til XV anyway. So no, Yoshida didn't save Final Fantasy, he saved a single game for a fanbase that likes the mmo's more than the single player games.
>>345296025
I wonder how many people remember when ARR used to require shouting for parties to kill Chimera/Hydra back prior to Party Finder, back before DF for those fights, back before the nerfs, and back when you had to run to the entrance every time you wiped.
>>345294216
When did you first do Steps of Faith? Because it was pretty great on initial release until it got nerfed to fucking hell.
>>345296390
That's also how dungeons in 1.23 worked but that was when there was significantly less content.
Honestly I'm kinda disappointed they removed the requirement to go to the entrance to queue for the raid. It was at least some flavor. And you don't see the intermediate areas anymore either. I liked that. It made it feel special. Now you just queue for it from a menu, fucking snore.
>>345296390
I enjoyed that time. I recognize I'm in a minority, unfortunately.
>>345296565
ARR's current state with its content progression may as well drop the overworld and go to a PSO2 setup. Just replace the lobbies in that with smaller cities and our instanced housing wards.
>>345296764
Don't give Yoshi any ideas.
>>345296764
Overworld is used for initial leveling, gathering, daily quests, FATEs, treasure maps, it's not like it's completely useless.
>>345292746
You're not playing, so I don't have to deal with your triggered ass.
>>345292998
Comboing certain attacks together for more damage (unless your a LNC before he hits 26). The tooltips pretty much point out which moves you can use in a certain chain, and most of them either get stronger when used in a chain rather than using them by themselves. The skill boxes for certain combo attacks also light up a it and have a moving border around them to show that is the next skill in the chain since for some skills they branch off.
Here's a vary basic example below.
For example for Lancer, you start out with True Thrust, and a few levels later you get Vorpal Thrust.
Trust Thrust does 150 damage, and Vorpal does 100. If you use Vorpal by itself you will do less damage than you would by spamming True.
But, if you use Vorpal AFTER using True, its power goes from 100 to 200. So from a DPS standpoint, you do 50 more damage after 2 attacks using the combo than spamming True Thrust.
It gets a lot more complicated once you get more buffs and skills that are separate from the global cooldown, so part of maximizing your DPS is basically just getting the timing down so you know when to use certain moves.
Oh and for most melee classes you have the added fun of trying to get more damage out of your attacks by trying to hit an enemy from the flank or behind.
>>345293612
Just get your Lore weapon you fucking shitty.
>>345296986
And they could make randomly generated environments tailored to such exercises instead, and save more of the hand crafted stuff for the odd MSQ beat, and relevant battle content.
>>345297153
>Randomly generated environments
Why must this be a thing?
>>345297153
That sounds stupid, though.
>>345297409
Because hitting the same patch of six nodes ad nausea gets boring as fuck?
I'd be more obliged to do leves if they took me to a different area and I had to work my way through it instead of something boring in this small portion of the map.
>>345297153
Or they could not.
Honestly, autistic whining of idea guys who want some nebulous perfect MMO are getting tiring. Just go play a different game.
>>345295365
i'm not saying you shouldn't have the "M" part of it, but for shit like measly dungeons you can speedrun is something like 30 mins when you're overgeared? little point to that.
i think it has more of a place in late-game content, raids, savage and such where you need at the very least a semi-competent team to clear shit, something duty finder will not always provide, far from that even.
i'm just saying having a matchmaking feature for easier content doesn't really bother me, especially when you can still gen your own FC or group to do it with you in a pre-made party if you want. options are what i like and having the option to either do it in a group or solo if you don't wanna go with the group or can't is nice.
>>345297498
I agree that there should be more Leves and the like to things, a little bit of randomness here and there, but completely scrapping the overworld for PSO2's RNG maps? Nah.
>>345297715
There's nothing special about ARRs maps though. 3.0's somehow ended up even more boring and pointless than 2.0's surprisingly to me.
>>345286551
GILGA IS FULL
EVERYONE GET OUT
>>345297958
what do you mean by RNG maps though? do you mean actual rng with you having no idea whatsoever of how the landscape is gonna be beforehand? or just enemies/weather changing?
because i'm having a hard time imagining how this would go about without making it a total clusterfuck.
>>345297958
But that's just, like, your opinion, man.
>>345297958
Yeah but having RNG maps with hub completely makes having a world useless. With PSO2 having you explore entire planets and it working with the story and >Photons, it makes sense having it RNG and mission based.
There is an actual consistancy here in XIV where you are exploring and moving over familiar, well traveled terrain.
>>345298130
Think like Diablo3/PSO2 Maps where the layout is different every time you go to do a "Quest" or mission. Some things remain consistent, but otherwise mostly RNG layouts.
>>345296764
>PSO2
The only thing worse than that would be to turn the game into a Maple Story or Runescape clone
>>345297506
This is honestly the best post in this thread
>>345290403
I played WHM and even some SCH on a controller.
I did perfectly fine and my issues with clearing wasn't anything to do with that.I miss the game, wish I could afford a sub.
>>345286285
>capped scrips
This is getting phased out now, red scrips already cannot give you the best gear in the game, it's back to crafted gear for the best.
>>345299816
They'll be back in 3.4 with the iLvl jump. The devs just needed to reset the crafting tier grind with 3.3 so people actually want to do it again, before fucking them again with new red scrip shenanigans.
>>345300130
>They'll be back in 3.4 with the iLvl jump
Is there a single shred of evidences for this?
red scrips are so retarded.
So I'm coming back to this game after a long hiatus and I'm thinking of starting over because everyone I know on my old server is gone. I don't want anything to do with Balmung/Gilgamesh. Especially since they have long ass lockouts IIRC. Are there any servers with a decent activity level that aren't shit?
>>345286285
Hate to break it to you but however that's exactly what 2.0 was as well the only difference is you're tired of it
>>345300402
Hyperion.
is it wrong that I want to molest Alphinaud?
>>345291113
Controller players have one of the highest clear rates due to JPs. Even if you are on PC over there, majority play with a controller.
>nobody even talking about palace of the dead
Well fuck you people that look like the best part of 3.3.
>>345300764
Yeah no one's talking about it because it's crap
>>345300672
I will give it a try thank you
>>345300679
Depends. Are you okay being homosexual?
>>345301349
not gay if its an elf.
>>345300679
why molest him when he has a perfectly good sister you could molest instead?
she even looks just like him.
>>345300803
>Not released yet
>Most talked about feature of 3.3 trailer/live letter
Your FC isn't the player base
>>345301790
This anon speaks truth.
>>345286416
>The devs have zero creativity.
Nah, at this point they've got a little edge on Blizzard
>>345301836
I guess you can stay in the state of denial but it's pretty obvious that people aren't talking about it since you're asking why people aren't talking about it
I want to move to a primal server that has at least 20 parties on the party finder daily, mine gets 2-8 at best, 10 rarely
any suggestions
>>345301906
That was another anon.
What's there to deny? It was the opt talked about feature on Reddit and official forums when live letter deyails about 3.3 cane out. They've no new info left to discuss. Now people are just waiting and praying it isn't shit like diadem.
>>345302227
why do you want that much movement though? even servers with 2-8 daily on pf usually have a decent number of big fcs and the like.
tfw 237 / 240
>>345302530
more opportunities for grouping up
more people for generally just fucking around with
more in fates zones since my server has all of them completely abandoned
Expansion needs to add Viera and a playable beast race.
Red Mage is necessary, and if they make it another sword tank they deserve to crash and burn.
Find a way to vary the playstyle a bit. Give jobs some options and choices.
Played this during 1.0, on and off during ARR and stopped playing before the expansion came out waiting on them to bring SAM/BLU over, WHEN
>>345303440
>Expansion needs to add Viera and a playable beast race.
please no
bunny girls are fucking shit, we already have bunny ears anyway
what we actually need is an overhaul on character creation
I sure hope you guys aren't Twin Badders or Maelscum.
It already "died" and nobody cares about the game anymore. I played it since launch and soon after heavenswards release people started leaving. No content, constant casualization and trivialization of older "hard" content. Wellfare gear got out of hand.
Basically you dont have to see any effort or even know how to play the game to get to the top.
I loved and defended that game for the longest time, but when some of the biggest FC's started leaving the game for good, I just had to admit that it had gone to shit and they only cared about creating a themepark circlejerk for casuals. RIP FFXIV.
Sometimes I do miss the game.
>>345303582
Bestial bunny people like in the concept art would be fantastic, though.
>what we actually need is an overhaul on character creation
For what purpose?
>>345294216
Steps of faith was fucking good when it was released and it was hard too. It as a shitter-filter and so many couldnt clear it that they started a shitstorm and after that they nerfed it to hell and made it yet another faceroll.
Thats why FFXIV has been dying. They make everything trivial and easy because a bunch of shitters dont know how to play the game.
>>345303753
>not pledging your life to server the elder seedseer
>and score points with her adorable sister because of it
My sub runs out in 3 weeks. I just want to beat Nid EX before then and that's it, I'll have no regrets leaving this game behind.I want Vanilla WoW servers
>>345303959
imagine having a gf that literally didn't age and looked 16 forever.
padjali are best race for dating anyday.
>>345303440
But red mages typically used swords. It was their iconic weapon.
>>345304750
I want to marry Raya-O!
>>345303884
Story mode should be faceroll and easy. Ex, savage and such not so much.
I'm also sad they haven't made a 24 man raid yet where the raid actively splits into three for different areas for extended periods of time. As in three bosses in way different areas need to die around the same time and upon killing your boss you can effect the others by shooting the other bosses with cannons or something. Seems so obvious to me but they haven't done it yet.Also 24 man should be faceroll as its intended to be pugged.
I want new 24 man raids, the 3 ones were a fucking blast, not to mention the questline ended in the fucking world of darkness.
>>345305669
We will be on 6.0 and they will find some excuse to make us do WoD and its ilk once again.
>>345305794
they pretty well already have with the new relics, you can get aether oil from the weekly WoD quest now and you need 5 per new relic
Go back to bed Tanaka.
It's baffling how much of what's left of the xiv subbers would lie to get people to try the game. Saw someone at some place else asking for an mmo where he can just be a crafter and trader and not fight anything (specifically asked for a game that doesnt treat him like a special snowflake). He even specified that he wants the stuff he makes to be actually meaningful all the time. A couple posts in some guy just started posting lies about xiv and tried to recommend him the game. Even tried to skirt around the fact that you have to play a combat class and BE a special snowflake to get dol/dow past 50.
I see this happen quite alot. Anyone who still subs to xiv is scum.
>>345289280
There's no point to customization because all it would do is lock players out if they don't pick the one optimal choice.
>>345306710
thing about FFXIV's special snowflakeness is that your enemies and allies are aware of it and its become a plot point. the WoL is getting too powerful. i expect another power reset involving the WoD in 3.4
>>345303767
>Linkin Park music
Isn't that for Dark Knight?
>>345306824
>i expect another power reset involving the WoD in 3.4
Sick of this shonen manga tier writing.
>>345306824
I don't.
>>345307057
Just wait till we get a timeskip or hyperbolic time chamber
>>345303767
>I played it since launch and soon after heavenswards release people started leaving
Protip just because you left the game doesn't mean it's dead. You're not important.
>>345306876
Dark Knight main here we actually listen to Slipknot and Papa Roach
Posted this yesterday, but I recently bought the game and am still waiting for my server of choice to open:
Which character should I go with?
http://www.strawpoll.me/10758449
>>345307151
That's exactly how they'll get players to skip the ARR/HW story in 4.0.
>>345307267
They're all shit
>>345307267
like brown do you?
the lala is the best of the 6 imo. least generic looking
>>345306824
Fuck off. You're doing the same exact bullshit as the scum I mentioned: doing mental gymnastics trying to fit a criteria that does not fit the game at all just so you can shill the game. The guy asked for a game where he can be inconsequential to the game world while being able to a real tradesman, not a glorfied vanity vendor.
>16/5/0/0 on i210 relic items
Jesus fuck why hasn't this been nerfed yet.
>>345291113
Sorry dude but your argument is moot, i literally cleared all available content with a controller since september 2014 when the game launched, the gcd make it really simple for controller users to play, and you can be fucking mozart on a controller too with multiple r1/l1 button combos and l2+r2 quick bar for stuff you need in a pinch, and no i don't play on console, i just prefer how more reactive movement is with a controller, and how clean the controller UI is compared to custom multi line keyboard bindings UIs.
>>345307267
What is your server of choice, because you may be waiting a long time depending on which it is.
>>345290961
I fucking main summoner on controller and its the most piss easy job, the only troubling class for controllers is bard, warrior, machinist, everything else is really easy.
>>345307649
>i210 relic items cost 3x the amount of eso's than a i220 wep
>You can get an i230 lore wep faster and easier than the i210 relic
It is literally the dumbest shit.
>>345307649
What do you mean?
>People playing with strafing controls on MOUSE AND KEYBOARD
>CALLING CONSOLE PLAYERS SHIT WHO USE LEGACY CONTROLS
THESE GUYS
>>345292380
Positioning is easier on a controller. The camera controls are the one real advantage controller users have over kbm users
>>345307970
you do it for the skin, not the ilvl
>>345308114
No you don't, they're literal best in slot for most classes.
>>345307970
>>You can get an i230 lore wep faster and easier than the i210 relic
I had like 2 gears left to get when I got my relic, you just have to spend enough time on getting the unided items. And all I did was roulettes+beast tribes.
>>345307413
Indeed I do.
And thanks. She's broadly based off Kat from Gravity Rush, since Lalafells don't really have a lot of significant character creation options.
Anyway I'm not gonna spam the poll, but whatever has the most votes at the time Tonberry unlocks (in answer to >>345307729) I'll go with that race/character.
Thanks guys.
![card_01[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/XVRQVZD.png "card_01[1].png")
Unless it gets rid of monthly fees, it will always remain a steaming pile.
Suckers and their ball and chains. I like to remain free of bills, even if small, that are just to play a game that I already have to pay to buy.
>>345285774
>MMO
>current year
mobile game is the new mmo, boys.
>>345308459
>getting rid of a monthly payment and opening up the game to free to play fuckery with in-game advantages and even more ridiculous outfits coupled with free to play shitters that are terrible at the game would improve the quality of the game
No
>>345308459
trust me the monthly fee is a good thing
The amount of shitty players it keeps out is priceless.
B2P and F2P mmos are plagued with the worst kinds of players and P2P games have a lot less of them.
>>345308542
>>345308551
Yeah, because putting money into a game forces you to feel like you have to play it, so naturally you will get better at the game than in ones without that nag. But eh, they should have tools ingame so that the crappy players don't bring you down anyway, if they don't.
>>345308461
>play ff14
>spend $11/mo to play
>new patch content literally lasts 3 days at most
>play mobile mmo
>great artworks
>you can f2p
>tons of shit to do
>events every 2 weeks
>you can be a huge fucking whale and win the game easy
>you can literally play it everywhere (PC/tablet/phone)
subscription based mmos are a dying breed
>>345308459
You don't pay a subscription for the game's content/quality/server upkeep/whatever.
You pay to elevate yourself, and avoid encountering the F2P scumfucks the hell away; Brazilians, children, trolls, and other scum.
>>345308704
>putting money into a game forces you to feel like you have to play it
>naturally you will get better at the game than in ones without that nag
no, i know tons of people that are willing to pay the game fee to be shitters and just have "fun" their way, actually they feel entitled to their playstyle since they're paying a monthly fee, and devs actually want to make the game appealing for those players since they're paying users.
>>345308729
wtf mobile mmo are you playing?
everyone I have tried has been garbage, even if they get content or have events they are shitty and the community is terrible
>>345308220
Not mine.
>DRG Midan Savage:
81 ATT
148 STR
162 VIT
(Locked bonuses, but they're both CRIT and DET so it's genuinely BiS)
>DRG I240 Relic:
80 ATT
141 STR
154 VIT
(Can choose your own bonuses, but you'd only choose CRIT and DET anyway, making it worse overall compared to Midan.)
>DRG i240 Lore:
80 ATT
141 STR
154 VIT
(Same stats as the relic, though this has to be saddled with fucking Skill Speed instead of Determination, making it the worst choice of the 3, which it should be seeing as though it's the easiest one to get.)
>>345308783
But I am totally okay with ignoring the scum. I have the ability to ignore people even when they are dumb, when I want to.
>>345308939
Granblue Fantasy, literally the FF mmo for mobiles, with nobuo uematsu music and hideo minaba artworks
>>345309083
gross
I actually thought you'd list a good game
>>345308729
The difference is that mmos are kinda fun and mobiles are absolute shit to play
Also mobile games cost much less to develop, but they have proportionally much larger budgets because of fucking whales
>>345300546
Wow it's almost like people wanted 2.0 to be built upon instead of rehashed in every meaningful way.
XI changed completely in the jump from vanilla to it's first expansion, and it was a fucking PS2 game, but all XIV managed to do was make 3.0 an extension of 2.0 with all the same everything, but in the snow, and turns out people get sick of doing the same shit all the time.
Also the raids are worse by a lot and now midcore is completely dead outside of the meme trial of the patch.
>>345308919
People will feel entitled regardless, they don't need to spend money every month to do that. Devs will want to make their game more appealing for players to buy and join always since more players means more new money.
Guild Wars 2 has it right. But nobody's copying that since it doesn't weasel out as much money from their customers, and people are willing to have their money sucked from 'em. Even most F2P games heavily encourage you to pay a monthly fee of some sort.
>>345308459
good, keep playing your assfaggots fucking br
>>345305604
>Story mode should be faceroll and easy.
This shit is why the story hold no weight, playing with godmode on doesn't make for a satisfying experience.
>>345309296
>weasel out as much money from their customers
Let's be honest, there's nothing wrong with an MMO costing more than a normal game. They generally have longer development times than a normal game, and after that they continuously need to work on it.
why did they even add thordan extreme and sephirot extreme to duty finder? even if you have 25% echo, you can't beat the fight if everyone doesn't know all the mechanics.
>>345309729
True. I'd be fine if they all offered $200 lifetime subscriptions, like The Secret World does. That's great too. Allows for people to go either way with their payments.
>>345308459
>I'm too poor to afford $13
>>345309608
people still wipe at final steps of faith and the chrysalis story mode even after nerfs
casuals complain that they can't beat content and then they unsub, this means square enix loses money and are forced to cater to casuals needs if they want money.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comments/4s724p/so_ive_let_my_sub_run_out_for_the_time_being_and/
>>345309608
Whilst that's true, everytime SE try to do anything remotely difficult, the playerbase can't handle it.
Hell, anytime they add something that isn't "dodge AoE circles" the playerbase can't handle it. Titan Normal was still a scrub killer until something like Patch 2.4. If you don't get 2 experienced players, then sprouts still wipe to him. Steps of Faith made people shitter shattered for months. Chrysalis is still something to fear in the duty finder. Final Steps of Faith cleaves assholes daily.
Remember the good old days when gaze attacks didn't need a giant fucking eyeball animation? People can't even stare at boss cast bars. Even with the visual aid, people still get petrified to every single boss that has the attack.
>>345300764
>Low level content where the only reward is yet another glowing weapon
>Isn't even being released with all the floors
Wow amazing can't wait to get sick of it after 2 days because it's useless.
>>345301836
Just because they have nothing else worth talking about in the live letters doesn't mean it's actually good.
They also spent an hour talking about the Yokai Watch collab, but nobody pretends like that's going to be any good.
>>345310549
People still don't stack for shared AOE markers either
>>345310936
>Chasing players across the field to stack with them
>Eventually giving up and letting them eat it because 2 of you wouldn't be enough to mitigate it anyway.
>>345307213
>Every server outside of 3 dead as dirt
>"STOP INSULTING MY GAME!"
>"YOU DON'T MATTER, NONE OF YOU MATTER!"
Sad
>>345300130
3.5 is the only time there could be any feasible time for an upgrade. Also red scrip gear was never the best.
The music makes me resub, doing the same shit dungeons with party members who still don't know their rotation or healers who stand or jump around whilst we're fighting instead of helping dps makes me unsub
>>345310549
i still get full wipes on titan during my daily roulette, people just can't be fucking bothered with mechanics in this game, all they want is faceroll stuff and then spend their day tapping a button to grind their shitty relic.
