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Who was kyle?
>>345281205
Nothing is stopping him from recreating Luna, Lagomorph and Kyle.
Also why is Delta's Quantum computer so much better than the one Sigma invented?
You all know that you are shitters, correct?
>>345281769
>Nothing is stopping him from recreating Luna, Lagomorph and Kyle.
They won't be the same.
>>345281836
We've gone off-topic.
Isn't it always going to be case with shifters that since they can keep moving around to different histories that they will at worst always achieve what they want? Like Dio being sent to stop the AB project (though Zero wanted it to succeed), wouldn't that be impossible to stop it since with shifters around they can keep trying an infinite number of times until they get one which succeeds? Like wise with stopping the Radical-6 plan, since they have infinite number of trials, it guarantees they will find at least one history which stops it. Which pretty much means shifters are hacks which can stop anything?
>>345281898
Think back on your path to this very moment.
>>345281864
well Kyle can shift
and Luna and Lagomorph are basically just like Sean so as long they exist in the quantum computer they exist in all timelines
Anyone got a link to the last thread?
Is Sean a shifter because the original Sean was a shifter or did Delta merely design him to be one? Who did Gab belong to?
>>345265225
999 = The Matrix
VLR = The Matrix Reloaded
ZTD = Matrix Revolutions
>>345282903
Sean is not technically a shifter, he's connected to the quantum computer which is connected to all the timelines.
Why bother with the poison segment? It was totally pointless.
>>345283387
Everything was pointless. Have sigma and phi shift like retards till thry all develop shifting powers.
>>345281401
G A B B U
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>>345283069
Matrix revolutions has at least a better ending.
Haven't been in one of these threads for a couple of days
Did young Sigma get to shift back to end game Sigma or is end game Sigma forever old Sigma?
>>345281401
Kyle SHIFTed to the wrong body.
>>345284014
I'd wager Old Sigma will remain in True End™ Sigma.
>>345284014
There is no young Sigma, that young Sigma goes and becomes Old Sigma and since this happens before the timelines start splitting he doesn't have any place to go back.
Old Sigma stays in the true ending
>>345284014
Team D didn't get epilogues for whatever reason, so we'll never know
Just finished the game.
Eric was the only good thing about it.
Post how you would have fixed it
>The revelation about there only being one ward comes like halfway through so we get actual dialogue between the teams
>>345282290
>>345281836
>>345281898
I hate that budget constrained this game so much
>>345285026
Why were his eyes purple
>>345285026
>>345285260
MyMOVESare... complex.
>>345285243
This meme is beatiful.
>>345283202
Then what was the blue spirit thing at the end?
>>345285260
You are all SHITTERs
>>345284965
Did that trick ever even mean anything?
To fix it I would:
>Zero is not a member of any team
>Remove alien machine
>Flow chart is now like VLR, no fragments
>10x as many puzzles
>Give Zero a motive that actually makes fucking sense
Sowhy did Delta specifically call himself "The Second Zero"?
He didn't have any direct involvement/relationship with Akane's Nonary Game.
>>345284965
Kyle is in the quantum computer
The Force Quit box actually does something unexpected and terrifying, it was the biggest mystery of the game and all that ended up happening was Diana blowing everyone up again
>>345285810
It was important because it let them all meet up, it gave Mira the ability to murder Junpei and most importantly it let Carlos travel back ten months.
Mostly it was just stupid because it felt like for all the weight it got it was relevant to, like, one piece of the plot. Mira being the killer was barely even a factor, Ace going insane and evil and murdering people was genuinely unexpected and terrifying and Dio murdering people and planting bombs actually had a huge impact on the story but Mira doesn't really seem like she has either one going for her
>>345285810
You couldn't understand his motives.
>>345286103
He's a "Mind Hacker". He apparently knew aboutAkanebeing Zero #1 despite not knowing who the fuck the8 billion killer terrorist is.
>>345286103
Rhizome-9 wasn't directly related to Akane's game but Lagomorph called himself Zero III anyway
>>345286315
exceptAkane worked alongside Sigma when developing Lagomorph- the AB project was spearheaded by her, Sigma just did all the lifting.
>>345286306
Well, he did create the first Nonary game, using Ace and Cradle as his proxy, so he would've known about Akane. The whole point of the terrorist is he is separate from the shifting world, so they don't know him. He could be literally anybody. Which is why the idea he is the other Carlos is so stupid.
>>345286562
Pretty sure everyone who has said that was joking
>>345283941
Debatable.
>>345285260
Zero Escape: Dancing All Night.
>>345287115
Zero Escape: Tournament FighterAce vs Dio would be fun.
>>345287008
Why do you think that?
>>345281401
The security guard, obviously.this will be the actual answer in the q&a
>>345287265
>REEE ONLY I CAN CAUSE JUNPEI'S DEATH
>>345284965
> Akane is not a participant but still has a big role
> Special files that act as side plot, explain Akane's thought process and how it broke her
> Twist using Sigma and Kyle swapping used to outsmart
> Less bootstraps
> Brother clones himself so he can be at multiple eras possible
>Delta literally couldn't see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch
>>345287395
There was just something about Revolutions that rubbed me the wrong way but it's been years; I might have to watch all of them again.
>>345286562
I already know that Carlos being the fanatic is only a meme theory, but I'm confused by some of your wording..
>Literally anybody
>Separate from the shifting world
Isn't that a bit of a contradiction? And does being a shifter inherently mean that they'd know him if he was...?
>>345284063
Why did Akane have to kill Cap'n Crunch?
Why not send a SHIFTER from the timeline in which the "terrorist" is caught and his identity is known to other timelines that don't know?
>>345288557
The metaphorical shifting world. He isn't an established or easily known character, but is a new element in the mythos that is mostly unknown. Slight misuse of literally, but if you understand what I meant by the separation, you should hopefully understand I mean anybody but the people we know.Sorry for the vague wording.
>>345288724
Cap'n Crunch never crunch-a-tized her.
If aksys changed claydolls to myrmidons for no other reason than it sounding off in the translation, then why the fuck didn't they give a better name to mind hack? I guess they not doing it give us the meme but it could have helped taking the ability more seriously.
>>345281401
When the fuck will that hack do a q/a and tell us what happen to kyle?
>>345290213
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>>345287836
Is that the one with the fucking dance party they had?
That part was fucking retarded.
>>345290213
Didn't the main localizer guy who did VLR leave? Uchi was talking about they had a million email exchanges where they asked him about every little thing for that game.
>>345290213
It shouldn't have a name at all.
>>345290213
>claydolls to myrmidons
for what purpouse
>>345290879
They just said it sounded less threatening than Myrmidons.
>>345290879
I think this was answered in a Q&A of VLR and the answer was along the lines of sounding bad for English speakers, they searched for an alternative and we got myrmidons.
Why was Betty such a cunt?
>>345291204
Her memes were ancient, it was time for her to go.
>>345291204
Not like Alex. What a polite robot.
Alright /v/, let's come up with a ZE All-Star 2D fighter. Cast your roster:
>Santa
Rushdown+zoner hybrid. Uses gun with 6 bullets per round, no reloads. Final bullet is unblockable.
>999 Clover
Uses axe, rekka character. Has good mixups.
>999 Akane
Plays like A.B.A. from Guilty Gear XXAC+R. Has to balance between June Mode (weak) and Zero Mode (strong).
>ZTD Akane
Uses chainsaw. Low mobility, but has good mix-ups+cross-ups, easy hit-confirms.
>Seven
Your typical grappler, I guess.
>Ace
Knife-user. Some of his normals have Special-like properties in that they cause chip dmg. His moves have high recovery but good startup and damage, making him able to punish misplays/whiffs. I'm thinking he's like Fritz from Akatsuki Blitzkampf.
>Dio
Rushdown with strong okizeme setups with his antimatter bombs, kinda like Millia Rage from GG.
>K
Not sure, I guess rushdown+grappler-like abilities? Like Bullet from BlazBlue.
>Carlos
Resident Shoto character, the Ryu of ZE. His 'fireballs' are actually just SHIFT auras that emanate from his masculinity.
Anything else to add, /v/?
>>345291967
>Kyle
Permanent invisibility
>>345291967
You need alternate costumes.
>>345291967
don't forget Phi's endless Rider kicks
>>345291204
i wanted to kick betty's ass
So what did Delta do after Q End 2, when it was just him and Diana in the Quantum Computer Room?
>>345291967
>no Shotgun and Choke Eric
>>345292550
Eric always got the shotgun.
>>345281769
124 years + TRANSPORTAH
>>345292907
I'm convinced Delta put some kind of magnetic implant in Eric's body that pulls shotguns towards him
I'm glad the animators took the time to have Eric do a gleeful murder jig.
>>345293046
Shotgun... Shotgun is my angel...
>>345295030
WHO KILLED SHOTGUN
>>345285684
What the fuck am I supposed to do in this robot room now that I've got the robots booted up.
Note 2 says White Red Blue but I ain't seeing that shit anywhere.
>>345294927
>>345295393
Did you press the button on the bomb thing?
>>345295602
Every time I've clicked it on Sigma and Phi go "DON'T TOUCH IT," but I just clicked on it again and this time it did something.
It's weird, I got enough repeat messages to think it was something else. Thanks though.
>>345295739
Same thing happened to me.
>Guy with a quantum computer doesn't know the identity of a terrorist
This didn't make much sense to me. The only way I could see it happening is if there was some major fuckery going on, like another power in the vein of MINDHACK. Like quantum invisibility or something. Or a guy having his own personal morphogenetic field that can't be accessed by anyone else, or perhaps doing his thinking in his own quantum computer. Or possibly, the mentioned terror attack only happens as the result of a SHIFT, so it's impossible to tell how it happens before it does
>tfw I can finally join the black bar generals
What a ride. Thank you based Uchikoshi
>>345296212
>Thank you
oh boy
What happened to the "you" character at the end of VLR?
Bliken or whatever it was?
>>345296212
important video for you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfOsjVT8mlU
>>345296212
You know Vita has a screenshot function right?PlayStation button + Start
>>345296418
I think he said that it was never meant to be an actual character, more like a breaking the fourth wall moment where they tell you to buy the next game for some reason.
It's kind of bullshit, but that scene also came out of nowhere so maybe he did mean it that way. No Kyle seems like an actual dropped plot point though.
Crucial info for newcomers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfmeOqq9Ffw
>>345295106
>I was alone for three years
>So that's why the robots spouted memes
>>345296212
What is your opinion of the game?
What did you like and dislike about it?
How would you rate it compared to the other entries of the series?
>>345292118
kek
>>345296593
Best shitpost to come out of ZTD.
>>345292854
I guess Eric'll be a full zoner character, then.
Slightly unrelated, but I just finished Chapter 4 in DR. I know there are two more, but are they bigger or smaller than the other ones. Would it be accurate to say I'm two thirds through the game, or is that slightly off.
>>345297485
I think the last chapter is slightly bigger because of explanation of the plot than the others but for the most part, I think is safe to say that you already beat 2/3 of the game.
ZERO (ESCAPE) TIME DILEMMA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4B_y-mN_Y6E
So I'm out of "new" fragments to play
What should I do to unlock more? Play the "Bad Ends" for each of the branches too?
>>345298824
Did you let time run out when Eric askswho killed Mira?a lot of people miss that, myself included
>>345298824
>Play the "Bad Ends" for each of the branches too?
yes.
>>345298942
Yeah, that was the first thing I did in that scenario
>>345298824
Check on the timeline to see if all the execution icons are lit up. If you're missing one, re-do the votes to make it happen.
>>345298824
Yes, also watch all execution scenes, the buttons on the left should be lit up. The game remembers the last people each team voted for so if it still doesn't show you the ones you need to see after changing a vote, change the other teams' votes too.
>>345299097
I already double-backed to do all 4 of the executions.
>>345298824
Go to the global flowchart, if a questionmark is lit up you can play it
>>345297782
Have you got all the executions....?
>>345299146
What was the purpose of this? Once I got into the timelines I was kinda hoping the game would be audacious enough to switch up the post execution vote timelines for each combination, so I cleared out as much as possible before getting the execution views.
>Q-Team
>"Yo B, push this button to escape but the other two teams will die:
>Eric: Aaaaaah push the button I don't care if they die
>Knock him out, push the button
>Eric: Aaaah you pushed the button, murderer!
Listen here you little bitch.
>>345299361
This. Some of those things were hard as fuck to spot in my playthrough.
>>345298824
The answering no-one for Who Killed Mira should give you the password for a Door in a D-team fragment.
This game fucking sucked. There were so little puzzles and the story was a "muh paradoxes" wank. Last time I listen to /v/ about games.
>>345298731
>Diana: Wait, wait! ...wait, wait, WAIT, wait!...wait
>>345299650
>Last time I listen to /v/ about games.
Every thread, for every game. Sure as the sun will rise and fall.
>>345299650
>he played ZTD first
No one to blame but yourself, friendo
>>345299762
Prove me wrong, this is just flavour of the month shit. Series peaked with 999 and this was just awful.
>>345299650
>One less puzzle room than VLR. More than 999.
>Implying that every other game in the series wasn't about paradoxes
Nice b8 m8. If it wasn't such a dead thread, you'd be getting a lot of triggered fans right now
>>345299907
Series did peak with 999. This wasn't awful though
>>345284965
Instead of releasing R6 to kill one random unnamed terrorist who was going to kill everyone, make Brother an unmitigated villain (with no relation to D Team) who hates humanity. The Decision Game is his way of giving the world one last chance to not be destroyed.Zero will spare the world if Q team survives and can find it within themselves to cooperate despite being horribly dysfunctional, as a test of humanity's ability to coexist. Zero is posing as Q to observe Team Q personally. Change Sean's identity/background as necessary to fit this.
ZTD Sigma is Kyle all along and no one knows why, not even Kyle.Old Sigma's knowledge of the future (and his relationship with Diana in particular) would interfere with the plan, so Kyle needed to go in instead.
I feel like trying to change things and gain a new audience did more harm than good to this game.
I don't even know what the point of doing it was since these games are so story driven and this was intended to be the final game.
Even the rebranding in Japan doesn't seem like it majorly increased sales or anything.
>>345299912
VLR puzzles at least required some thinking, the puzzles in this game were so easy it felt just like busywork kept there to break the pace
>>345299912
The puzzles were way too easy, I could do them in my sleep.
>>345300056
The puzzles in VLR were too minigame-heavy IMO. Made them more fun sometimes but all in all just made it seem like a Layton game instead of a room escape. ZTD has the same problem, but there are more puzzles integrated into the rooms, which I enjoyed.
>>345300056
>>345300126
But that wasn't what you said. You talked about the quantity, not the quality. I was merely pointing out the flaw in your argument, something you failed to do with mine. They may be shit, I agree on that, but there was enough of them.Except for the lack of a Q room
>>345299912
Agreed, ZTD had plenty of puzzles. I think that the /v/ memers are forgetting this because there was no intro puzzle room and the final puzzle room was clearly cut from the ending sequence after the force quit boxes were opened.
>>345300212
Well, I really like the Layton games so it's probably why I didn't mind them
>>345300221
I was another guy just saying my opinion on the puzzles, my bad for not specifying it
>>345300310
Oh, and the Quantum Computer Room was very clearly intended to be a puzzle room but was also cut. Still enough puzzle rooms, but obviously cut content is always sad.
>>345300007
>Zero Time Dilemma is very serious noble story
>>345300221
In the case of a puzzle game quality and quantity aren't mutually exclusive. If you have average quality puzzles that can be beaten in little time, that will in turn make the quantity seem bad as well.
>>345299484
Watching the cut-scene between Q and Eric did not give me a password. On my Flow there is a lock between that cutscene and the segment immediately below it.
>>345300721
You need to play through Ambidex with C-team to unlock that fragment.
>>345300721
Right, they need to get the note from Carlos first
>>345300584
That's not true. They are still mutually exclusive. What you are forgetting is the difficulty of a puzzle is subjective. If the game had almost the same amount of puzzles as VLR but didn't last as long or wasn't as satisfying, that has nothing to do with the quantity and everything to do with the quality. What you're arguing is a cum-hoc fallacy.
>>345300721
Notice what is written on the door corner. Now rewatch D-2 end to get the information it hints at, and use that to open the Shower Room door
Anyone disgusted by the graphics of this game? Kinda ruined it for me how Diana's har kept clipping her shoulders all the time.
>>345300415
For a good portion of the game I was convinced that the Quantum Computer Dome would be the Q room of ZTD.
>>345301017
Well, I wasn't 'disgusted' but the game was certainly not pretty.
>>345301017
>When Eric crosses his arms and they clip into his shirt
>>345301045
>Quantum Computer Dome
>QCD
>no one reacts to this
>>345301017
Akane's hair always jumping around was distracting
>>345291967
Sigma plays like Ralf from KOF98 but his mounted punches super ends with him smacking them with his dick
>>345301017
>Akane's ponytail flipping the fuck out in one of the early cutscenes
why doesn't old sigma just gives the formula for the Axelavir so the pandemic is cured?
if is mission was just to stop radical-6 that would be enough
>>345301235
I...I never noticed that.
>>345301017
TheDiana trying to stop the bombending was literally at less than 5fps. I am really disappointed how this ended up looking.
>>345296647
Pretty much this.
"?" was the player, and Akane saying "go back to the mars test site" was Uchi saying "go buy the next game".
Kyle not appearing is a really, really big dropped plot point.
>>345301017
The running animation is fucking hilarious
>>345301235
Wasn't there something in VLR with that acronym?
>throwing a box to the chameleon system wil make it frizzle and stop working
>running a chainsaw through it wouldn't
Oh shit the transporter is a conceptual extension of the IG replicator
What the fuck did I just play?
Did we really just end with a Saturday morning cartoon villain and the power of friendship, then IMMEDIATELY JUMP TO AN EDGY "SHOOT ME, BUT THEN WHO'S THE REAL MONSTER" CUTSCENE, and then get no conclusion?
What the fuck?
What did I do to Uchi to deserve this?
>>345301417
>Diana's finger clipping through the trigger
>>345301867
What do you mean, when Akane uses it on the door? I think the system was only used in the main room and the healing room.
>>345302049
You demanded that he make a third game
>>345281898
This is my new favorite Zero Escape meme.
>>345302050
Thanks for the high res version Anon, do you have one of Diana drinking?
>>345301889
Except one was apparently based on huge scientific advancements, and the other one is literally ayyyyylmaos.
The only thing that made me madder than the fucking aliens wasBrother being adoptedcoming out of FUCKING NO WHERE.
Not even Kyle's part in ZTD made this mad.
The fuck?
>>345302108
when she uses it on the couch
http://www.strawpoll.me/10766646
Please vote, the fate of the franchise lies in this poll
>>345302250
Just blame it on Mind Hack
>>345302118
He had planned to make a third game while he was making the second. Fuck, he was working on the third game's story at the same time as the second game.
ZTD was supposed to be VLR: Part 2. It sure as fuck wasn't supposed to be this.
>>345302325
>HRT
We talking about hormone replacement treatment?
>>345302369
He was making a third game for his glorious nippon brethren. Once he realized that your gaijin ass was the only audience who cared he stopped giving a fuck
>>345302369
He stated the core story idea was meant to be this. But a lot of other things changed. Take that how you will.
>>345302325
>Eric with a shotgun
Hopefully he'd end my suffering quickly
SERIOUS QUESTION, SOMEWHAT SPOILERS, I NEEDHow the flying fuck did Junpei know to jump to the timeline where they didn't roll ones? He didn't even know he could SHIFT until like a minute before Akane suggested it, and all of sudden he has memories of a timeline he's never been in?
>>345302369
Yeah, if ZTD had been made back when it was supposed to, it would have been an entirely different beast
>>345302513
Yes
>>345302591
It's very... complex.
Is there anyway to get rid of the blue fast forward symbol when replaying a scene?
>>345302570
>He stated the core story idea was meant to be this. But a lot of other things changed. Take that how you will.
Considering the story was supposed to be from Sigma'sand at some points Kyle'sperspective, there's probably a lot more than just a few things that changed.
I can kind of buy thatBrother was always meant to be Sigma's child, but that would have went over way better if there was any real hints about it at all.
I also don't entirely buy Brother beinga benevolent antagonistwith everything that Akane knew of him.
Kyle is Carlos
>>345302591
this comic applies to many things in this game
>>345302740
Phi beingSigma and Diana's childwas probably bullshit pulled out of someone's ass, Phi clearly didn'thave red eyebrowsin VLR
So is Carlos a virgin?
>>345302945
That's Mira's pass.
>take 15 minutes explaining some psychological bullshit while trying to unchain dog
>dog still chained in the end
>shrodingo pussy
>SHIFT just werks
>go beyond mental mechanics and introduce aliens
10/10
>>345302591
To be fair, there's a lot of histories where they didn't roll ones. Not like it's hard to think of a scenario where they lost in the dice roll.
>>345302986
Oh yeah, you're right, oops, that was the one where he had the axe
Even though this game was a disappointment, I'm happy with the amount of great memes that was produced because of it.
>>345303014
>implying they were trying to unchain the dog
>>345302740
Yeah. It was only ever in preliminary stages he wanted Sigma, but regardless I agree for the most part. I think Brother being benevolent was also planned, but he didn't have any real hints about it. Just like him being Sigma's kid
>>345296212
>>345303014
They're not trying to unchain the dog.
>>345303034
I think that Anon's asking how he knew about the dice roll, because that's a completely different branch from where he was on.
TIME TO DECIDE
>>345303034
This anon's got it right >>345303286
It's something that specific Junpei had NEVER experienced, and he hadn't been shifting his memories over either.
>>345303286
Same reason Carlos knew about Junpei's head in the freezer in the poison timeline.
>>345303415
This was by far the best moment in the game.
>>345288724
Good question, what did he do to deserve this?
>>345303415
>>345303415
Sigma has a fucking hard-on for buttons.
I swear it's the only way he gets off.
>>345303415
>Diana's face is inching closer and closer to the button and twitching
No wonder Phi and Sigma were freaking out.
>>345303415
I honestly hated how in most of the choices the characters had to become the "Do it" and "Don't do it" advocates of the situation
>>345303464
Carlos SAW that.
Junpei had not been shifting or getting mindhacked, so he definitely didn't see that.
>>345303415
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knLzNk0QeoQ
>>345298731
>Someone was so disappointed by the game that they created this
>>345302863
Yeah I didn't get that shit, as soon as the official colored art work of Phi was out everyone began theorizing that she wasSigma and Diana's kid, usually Uchikoshi is more subtle about this kind of shit, was kind of disappointed he just gave it away
So the credits attributed the graphics teams as different sections, each in game team were designed graphically by different people?
>>345303659
That was really retarded.
Sometimes they were just straight up out of character, like Junpei's "Kill everyone else because I need to fucking contradict what Akane's saying".
Other times it was just bad writing, like with Phi and Sigma.
>Yellow Button
>>Phi: "Don't kill everyone else, we should trust them"
>>Sigma: "Kill everyone else, I don't trust them"
>Antidote
>>Phi: "Don't trust anyone else"
>>Sigma: "Fuck you, we need to trust everyone else"
Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time? And don't say it was about leaving them stranded in the bad timeline- because it was very explicit about sending them specifically physically back in time.
What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
>>345303681
He didn't see it in that timeline.
Saying he saw it because he shifted implies that Carlos shifted from the axe timeline to the poison timeline, which makes no sense, since his consciousness is accounted for throughout the entire axe timeline from that point on, and we know they swap places when they shfit, so if he'd shifted at any point, a disoriented Carlos would have suddenly shown up. He DID shift to the axe timeline eventually, but that was well after getting that vision.
Carlos just saw a vision of Junpei's head from the morphogenetic field, the same way Junpei would have seen a vision of the dice.
>>345302863
I feel like this is the opposite. It was always planned, but changing the eyebrows was a bullshit way of foreshadowing it
>>345303935
>Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
The snail
>What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time? And don't say it was about leaving them stranded in the bad timeline- because it was very explicit about sending them specifically physically back in time.
Alice and Clover are shitters. This is a good thing
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
Nah
>WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
ISIS yo
>>345303976
Was it ever explained how people psychically saw images of other teams getting executed? There's no one around to transmit that information to the field.
>>345303415
Best part in the game
>>345303976
Except Junpei says he hasn't been able to access the Morphogenetic Field since 999, not even a minute before he says "JUMP TO THE DICE".
>>345303887
Blame the writer Uchikoshi was working with.
As for those Phi and Sigma scenes, those were different timelines weren't they? Carlos Probably didn't seem so trustworthy after killing Q-Team and Sigma just trusts Akane because he's been with her for decades.
>>345303935
>Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
Sean.
>What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time?
They had nothing to do with the test site, so even if they were sent back in time, it had nothing to do with the game. (And they were only abducted in the VLR timeline, so if they were sent back to any period of time, it would be the Radical-6 outbreak timeline, which sucks for them.
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
No idea what you're talking about, unless you mean Reverie syndrome. People still care, but the only cure is learning to SHIFT, like Maria.
>WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
One random person who the Radical-6 outbreak would have killed ends up somehow wiping out humanity. We have no idea who they are or how they do it.
>>345304095
The implication is that Delta is feeding them the memories.
>>345291967
>His 'fireballs' are actually just SHIFT auras that emanate from his masculinity
i need him to shift his masculinity in me if you know what i mean
>>345304315
Espers resonate with each other. Being near Carlos and Akane reawakened his powers.
>>345304095
There is one person. [?], aka the player. The one whose perspective we're looking through in the timelines where Zero is dead.
>>345303286
>>345303430
Fuck, you're right. My bad. Maybe he's been aware of it the whole time but never connected the dots until Akane mentioned it? At least he has previous experience with multiple timelines.
>>345303935
>Who the fuck's body was Kyle in?
Dropped plot point. Game was originally going to be from Sigma's point of view, and very likely Kyle's point of view at some point since he's the clone and all. But when Uchi got the mandate to make the game more appealing to newcomers, he went for three new characters, and Kyle fell by the wayside.
>What the fuck happened to sending Alice and Clover physically back in time? And don't say it was about leaving them stranded in the bad timeline- because it was very explicit about sending them specifically physically back in time.
Uchi hints at this on twitter. Basically the alien time machine will send them back.
https://twitter.com/Uchikoshi_Eng/status/751346867972083713
>What the fuck happened to the toxicity in the morphogenetic field? no one cares??
Dropped plot point from when Uchi had Brother getting ready to genocide the human race. One of the other two writers likely decided having a benevolent antagonist was a better idea, and so we ended up with... well, the super time travel squad.
>WHERE the FUCK did 8 billion come from? Why the fuck does stopping the disease cause TWO BILLION more people to die?!
This is actually legit explained.
Earth's population is 8 billion.
Radical 6 has a 75% mortality rate, and a 100% infection rate.
Nuclear holocaust was going to have a 100% mortality rate.
Radical-6 causes 6 billion people to die, leaving 2 billion alive (if one of the 6 billion was the fanatic terrorist that starts the nuclear holocaust).
Nuclear holocaust causes EVERYONE to die, so 8 billion people (6 billion from radical-6 + the 2 billion survivors would all die, not just the 6 billion).
>>345304464
>Espers resonate with each other. Being near Carlos and Akane reawakened his powers.
Except when SHIFTers suck other Espers' powers in VLR, like Junpei's and Clover's.
>There is one person. [?], aka the player. The one whose perspective we're looking through in the timelines where Zero is dead.
Well too bad I didn't see the execution before Carlos got his flashbacks. I thinks it's more likely someMind Hacking and quantum computer with cameras all over the bunker bullshit
>999
>psychics with special bonds can transmit information through the morphogenetic field
>if the situation is sufficiently dire this information can be transmitted through time
>teams of psychics are supposedly able to transmit information independently of each other
>VLR
>psychics are called "espers" now
>instead of transmitting information to other people their consciousnesses just leap to other timelines
>more powerful espers now usurp the strength of weaker ones
>ZTD
>espers are called "shifters" now
>shifters can now share their power and enable non-shifters to shift
>also shifting can be sufficiently simulated by a quantum computer
>also MINDHACKS
>>345304856
>Espers resonate
>Shifters suck esper's powers
>EXCEPT NO IT DOESN"T CAUSE NYAH
Seriously, there's so many contradictions, loose ends, and dropped points in this game it's actually funny.
>>345304908
>>shifters can now share their power and enable non-shifters to shift
I was following the game and trying my best to just lie down and accept it up until this point. I even took MINDHACKS (there are hints about Brother and mindreading in VLR) in with a straight face.
But magicing their powers onto non-shifting people is bullshit and uchi knows it.
>>345303415
>>345305136
>>345305136
Write SHIFT on that button.
>>345304464
>There is one person. [?], aka the player. The one whose perspective we're looking through in the timelines where Zero is dead.
That's not true. It's made pretty clear that the player is not a separate entity and that delta is the player avatar in the same way Sigma or Junpei were
>>345305281
>delta is the player avatar in the same way Sigma or Junpei were
But in 999 you're playing as Akane
>>345305281
Then who the hell are we playing as when Delta's dead?
>>345305405
Whoever Delta is mindhacking and looking into the other timeline through them
>>345304427
Are you that same Carlosfag that posts in every thread?
>>345305405
An alive Delta watching the events through some SHIFTers memories or through the quantum computer.
>>345305460
We're making choices when Delta is viewing an already occurred timeline?
>>345305460
Doesn't Delta specifically say he can't see into timelines he's dead in? Allegedly, he's just looking at security cameras, although that doesn't make sense either.
What if the fanatic was someone who played ZTD and wanted to erase all traces of its existence?
>>345305560
That's other characters making choices. You just decide which one to watch.
Dumb ideas on how I think it should have worked:
>Only a single timeline exists at any point
>Only ability available to Espers is to view alternative realities created after a person shifts
>Shifting and mind hacking are abilities only the "player" possesses
>The "player" is the one who causes the participant to make choices they wouldn't otherwise make
>Shifting only occurs when the persons life is in danger, and the player is viewing the game through their perspective
>>345305687
How are you deciding which one to watch? You're watching the one that's in your timeline - the only way Delta could ever get a choice about WHICH one to watch is either in the final timeline or the one with two Carlos's.
Where the fuck do Sigma and Phi jump to during their execution?
Phi is like "Sigma, let's jump!" and then I have no idea where they went.
>>345305560
>>345305563
In the other thread someone mentioned that the timelines where he's dead all have chance based decisions, so I guess he's not actually influencing their choices. He's just watching they're memories that they received from the other timelines
>>345305849
Oh that's easy.
They went to Dropped Plot Point #39.
>>345305732
VLR itself implied that Brother had mind reading powers, so that at least is a power that was always supposed to be available to Brother.
Mind hacking, on the other hand, is probably a way for Uchi to write himself out of some corner he fucked himself over in.
>>345305832
>You're watching the one that's in your timeline
He can still mind hack shifters from different timelines.
>one with two Carlos's.
That's every timeline.
To be clear, theyou watch everything from Zero's perspective twistis badly executed. I mean we clearly play the Diana, Carlos andSeanin the escape sections, but that doesn't mean that the player is an extra entity in the game like it was teased in VLR.
>>345306204
>He can still mind hack shifters from different timelines.
He can't though. He specifically says in the final end that the only reason he knows what happened in the other timelines is because they had shifted to his timeline.
He can hack people who shift TO his timeline FROM other timelines, but he can't hack people who are actually in a different timeline - his hacking powers are limited to people who are physically present in his timeline.
>>345306396
Well you could always argue that you're playing that Delta the whole time or that the game's inconsistent with who we are playing. [?] being part of the game in the same way it was teased is just wishful thinking.
>>345306396
Guy has a quantum computer that can send data to itself in the past. Just stream the camera feed. Delta's probably watching his own ZTD live stream on twitch with his glasses.
>>345306758
I never expected "?" to be a part of the game, that really just seemed like a "go buy the next game to continue the story" pitch.
But, the way the game played out, it's basically only possible at all is if we say we were looking at it from Delta's point of view as he was reading everyone's minds in CDQ-End-2.
Remembering this day in retrospect is just depressing.
https://youtu.be/JQE25TSZm1A
>>345306981
Yeah. I feel the pain
Anyone else get the feeling that Radical-6 and FBR were supposed to play a MUCH bigger role in the overall story?
I mean, the setup was perfect.
Free the Soul:
>Brother wants to kill all of humanity,
>FBR has a 100% mortality rate
>FBR doesn't destroy the physical planet or remaining ecosystem like nuclear war would
>If it's released at the same time as Radical-6 though, no one is hurt
Crash Keys:
>Akane/Sigma/Zero want to save humanity
>Radical-6 has a 75% mortality rate
>Radical-6 neutralizes FBR
>If it's released without FBR also infecting everyone, 6 billion people die
It really seems like at least a portion of the game was supposed to be for Brother to try and release FBR without Akane's team releasing Radical-6. Akane's team would meanwhile be trying to either release Radical-6 alongside FBR, or prevent FBR from being released at all. This would also allow Diana to be at least somewhat intelligent and make the logical (but unfortunately incorrect choice) to release Radical-6 in the VLR timeline in order to counteract the potentially released FBR (so that at LEAST 25% of people live), and the other timelines would represent the other possibilities that come from the (probably) different characters making a different choice.
INSTEAD, we got one decision game in Q-Team where the decision amounts to practically nothing, and Diana acting like a complete bumblefuck and bringing an infected Phi to a populated area for little to no reason - especially when they were guaranteed to get rescued, and could easily come back for her after they quarantined her.Fuck, even after Uchi decided to make Brother the good guy instead of the "assimilation villain", having the fanatical terrorist release FBR would have made more sense than randomly "starting a nuclear war"
>>345286306
I like the theory that he was just bullshitting about there being another terrorist who kills 8 billion people and that he's the real bad guy all along.
If Carlos shoots him, the cast has a (relatively) happy ending while they continue to look for a guy who's already dead.
If he doesn't shoot him, Radical-6 outbreak.
>>345307754
FBR doesn't exist, Anon. Unless it's something the terrorist uses to wipe out humanity.
>>345308061
I'm 100% ok with this.
>>345281205
>Sigma gets two redhead qt's and even makes one of his own
IT'S NOT FUCKING FAIR
>>345307754
>Anyone else get the feeling that Radical-6 and FBR were supposed to play a MUCH bigger role in the overall story?
Radical-6 yes, FBR no. The whole setup was clearly a metaphor for why he plans to release R6although back then I still thought he wanted cleanse humanity or some shit that was teased in VLR
Also, Fanatic Bio R is aFaBRication
