how did he know?
>>345275890
by reading books and regurgitating those notions in a way even players that never took a book would understand
>>345275890
Japan went through the SJW phase sooner than western civilization.
>>345275890
What the fuck are they even saying?
>>345276120
Thanks for saying it like it is anon. I'm sick of MGS fags thinking this game deep.
>>345276352
Asian never went through that shit, buddy. Only western cuck try shoot that shit at us.
>>345275890
He got lucky
>>345276120
except he tried to deliver the speech after the game went full retard
He knew because he played Deus Ex a year earlier.
>>345276120
>reading
Wow what a faggot
>>345276120
Please tell me which book correctly predicted the proliferation of social networking online and the way they create their own speech bubbles
please tell me a book before MGS2 that discussed the government's inability and desire to control information in an age of instant information.
it's ironic posting it here on one of the largest hugboxes
>>345280973
I would also like to read that.
>>345280973
keeping in mind that these ideas are at the surface of MGS2.
He's right. And he's talking about places like 4chan.
>>345281046
no 4chan board is a hugbox. ever gotten a post removed from here because someone didn't like it? i didn't think so
>>345280973
Actually the creator of arpanet effectively was discussing these things in the 60s, but these were papers not a single book.
>>345281209
yeah I did actually, on multiple boards
>>345281345
Source? I'd really like to read.
>>345281558
J. C. R. Licklider
That's the guy who's work you want to be chasing.
>>345281474
absolutely bullshit. i've never seen that happen.
>>345275890
This was literally on /pol/ a few days ago, same title too. Except it included the video segment and written out text. This discussion won't get drawn out as it did there. Please /thread
In the future there will be things.
Screencap this.
>>345276120
These posts are so fucking awful, each time a variant of it is brought up like "philosophy 101," because it doesn't say anything interesting. It never brings up an example of a book, or anything remotely worth discussing. Just so fucking boring.
>>345281810
>i've never seen it happen
>therefore it does not exist
im just in your imagination then
>>345276120
Which books you fucking retard
>>345275890
Because it's been happening for a lot longer than that game has been out.
>>345280973
Generation of Swine. Discusses the rise of 24hr news, media control, and the Iran contras.
>>345275890
It's not a hard assumption to get to, it's just most of the people who played this back then were children, so they were easier to shock
>>345280973
>he thinks these are unique to the last few years
I seriously hope you're not above the age of twenty.
>>345282259
>>345282393
4chan is for children you old cocksuckers
people took that speech at the end of MGS2 seriously?
I saw it was AI Roy calling and skipped the codec
>>345275890
You mean Tomokazu? I'm not sure, but after seeing MGS4 and MGS5 without him, one things for sure; Kojangles is a retard.
>>345282968
>people took that speech at the end of MGS2 seriously?
Colonel : The digital society furthers human flaws and selectively rewards
the development of convenient half-truths. Just look at the
strange juxtapositions of morality around you.
Rose : Billions spent on new weapons in order to humanely murder other
humans.
Colonel : Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of
their victims.
Rose : Although there are people suffering in poverty, huge donations
are made to protect endangered species. Everyone grows up being
told the same thing.
Colonel : "Be nice to other people."
Rose : "But beat out the competition!"
Colonel : "You're special." "Believe in yourself and you will succeed."
Rose : But it's obvious from the start that only a few can succeed...
Colonel : You exercise your right to "freedom" and this is the result. All
rhetoric to avoid conflict and protect each other from hurt. The
untested truths spun by different interests continue to churn and
accumulate in the sandbox of political correctness and value
systems.
Rose : Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid
of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking
whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society
at large.
Colonel : The different cardinal truths neither clash nor mesh. No one is
invalidated, but nobody is right.
Rose : Not even natural selection can take place here. The world is
being engulfed in "truth."
Colonel : And this is the way the world ends. Not with a bang, but a
whimper.
You cannot refute any of these lines.
>>345283032
Who Tomokazu?
>>345283220
>Rose
definitely not listening it to now since the cunt is involved
>>345281916
I-impossible!
>>345283302
You're part of the problem, unfortunately we all are.
>>345283370
>You're part of the problem,
I don't listen to stupid people or people I hate/find annoying.
Rose falls under "people I find annoying". Roy falls under "stupid people"
>>345283245
>Tomokazu Fukushima:
>"Metal Gear Solid 2: Sons of Liberty (2001) — Writer, Writer ('The New York Mirror', 'In The Darkness of Shadow Moses'), Scripter (Codec), Setting Research/Justification, Plot Justification."
The guy that wrote practically everything in MGS1-3.
>>345283489
Like I said. You're part of the problem.
>>345283526
Kojima was more of the game director guy, and he's not half bad given his career. He made the smart decision to cut out the Tanker escape sequence from MGS2 because it was so boring.
>>345281792
Not that anon, but can you spoonfeed me some particular papers?
Guy accomplished a lot.
>>345283220
fucking hell its so true
>>345280973
MGS has not a single original thought put into it everything is just recycled ideas from books and movies. Actually pretty much everything made by Kojima borders on plagiarism.
>>345283675
>Like I said. You're part of the problem.
If not listening to idiots is the problem, then I am glad to be part of the problem.
>>345283245
The guy that wrote the best parts of MGS, him being removed from the team by Kojima began the series downfall into shit starting with MGS4
>>345283526
Why hasn't he done anything since Snake Eater/Subsistence?
>>345283816
You don't know what plagiarism is.
>>345276120
>he read books and learned something
>he decided to use what he learned in his own work
>this is somehow bad
Are you guys retarded? Most things you know, you know them because you have at some point learned it from someone else. There's no shame in that
>>345284052
Cool.
>>345283816
>Plagiarism
Please look up the definition.
>>345284152
Kojima removed him after becoming president of Konami and setting up his own studio.
>>345283730
>Liquid Ocelot on his g1 iPhone
>>345284165
>You don't know what plagiarism is.
Yes I know and I saw the opening to Snatcher which is stolen from the opening to blade runner.
>>345284052
You're not understanding bub
>>345284340
what exactly was stolen from blade runner
>>345283675
Everything from the research to the cohesion and the scripting of the infamous codecs is Tomokazu's invention. Given Kojima's track record without him in executing, and that Tomokazu is educated in western history and philosophy, it's easy to say a lot of him is shining through in the original games.
>>345284385
>You're not understanding bub
if there way anything to understand
>>345283220
>Rose : Everyone withdraws into their own small gated community, afraid
>of a larger forum. They stay inside their little ponds, leaking
>whatever "truth" suits them into the growing cesspool of society at large.
Literally /pol/.
>>345283526
>Tomokazu Fukushima
where is he nowadays ?? google turns up nothing
>>345284462
Flying car design, the vista with flaming chimneys, snatcher designs are stolen from Terminator with even the animation of the hand closing in the intro being a copy of how it was in the movie. Even the basic premise of futuristic cop hunting robots pretending humans is stolen.
>>345284467
Oh I agree that it seems like Tomokazu had a lot to do with MGS' success, but Kojima is no slouch either. MGSV has great gameplay, and the cutscenes have unique and interesting camerawork; all the MGS games have interesting gameplay things that were no doubt Kojimjim's ideas.
>>345284556
It's tumblr, twitter, 4chan, /v/, /vg/, all of it. Some people just know in their hearts that SJWs are wrong, and some people in their hearts know that those who oppose social justice are wrong. But since the internet doesn't degrade information and provides an infinite hugbox, these ideas are never tried and true the same way lifeforms are. Ideas cannot really die on the internet.
>>345284556
Nice opinion, but /pol/ does cater to openness more so than /v/ and definitely more than leddits
>>345284717
Retired from public life after his dismissal.
>>345284225
When who became President of Konami? You mean Kojima Productions?
>>345285145
Kojima was vice president of Konami for 11 years you idiot. His shitty management of the company was the reason he was kicked out by the board.
>>345284795
I like MGS's gameplay in every main installment.
But Kojima's stories are poorly executed without Tomokazu, and completely lack depth, nuance, and cohesion. The games speak for themselves, really.
>>345284717
Wasn't he killed by Yakuzas?
>>345282393
List the books, faggot
>>345285334
Meant for
>>345284815
>>345285325
>Vice
Is not president
>>345283526
He also singlehandedly wrote Snake Tales, if that means something.
>>345285538
It should be something along the lines of
>Hideo please, at least spare my family
>>345285548
Absolutely right. PW alone speaks volumes.
>>345285538
;_;7
>>345285748
No shit? Wow. Snake Tales is great.
>>345283678
Not that guy but as far as I know he's sort of bullshitting
Licklider and really most of the ARPA guys all had some now hilarious notions of what the internet would be used for.
Things like "people will use it to be more politically informed and make democracy stronger".
Your best start for reading about any of said people is probably the book Where Wizards Stay Up Late. It's an excellent fairly short/light read and I found parts hilarious given both when it was written and when the events it describes transpired.
Especially the accounts of the early days of email and "flaming" on the RFCs.
There's a shit ton of references in it for further reading on things you find particularly interesting.
>>345280973
>>345281949
>>345282051
Not my fucking job to educate you.
I am just here to point out you are all ignorants that need a videogame to teach them something and even have the audacity, in your ignorance, to act as if the guy came up with those things.
>>345285538
Between him and Koizumi at Nintendo, who else is a vastly underappreciated game creator?
>>345284467
>>345284815
>>345285325
>>345285145
Why did he remove him? why would you shit on the guy that helped create your games and clearly knew what he was doing?
It's not farfetched to say the games took a steep nose dive after fukushima was gone
>>345285661
Konami is a holding and Konami Digital(former Computer) Entertainment is just a branch of it responsible for games and Kojima was it's president. Above that is the President and Chairman but they are responsible for the whole thing. So yeah he's the reason for outsourcing Castlevania and Silent Hill along with firing all the talent in the company.
>>345284795
You know Blade Runner is based on Philip K Dick and Terminator on Harlan Ellison right
Nothing's original, get over it. And I don't remember Deckard having a little robot follow him around and bantering with him. Things get remixed all the time.
>>345286035
Again. So fucking boring. The least you could have done is post an image of a scantily clad woman to at least raise my eyebrows. There is absolutely nothing interesting in your post.
>>345275890
He watched the news in Japan, then he watched the news in America
>>345275890
everything is right except the very last part.
the truth always comes out, they will clash and mesh one way or another.
its not going to happen for free and its not going to be quick however.
>>345286172
>You know Blade Runner is based on Philip K Dick and Terminator on Harlan Ellison right
The imagery in a adaptation is the work of the movie team not writers.
>Things get remixed all the time.
Yeah by stealing entire shots and cinematography, don't be a drone
>>345286035
>you're ignorant, just ignorant, ignorant
Eat shit, MJ.
In other words, you don't know any books. Eat shit, child molester.
>>345275890
Japan and South Korea- both ethnically and (relatively) ideologically homogenous nations- had access to popular online social media for several years before it became big in the West, and a lot of professors, writers, and sociologists theorized that social media networking would eventually cause immense amounts of divisive social turmoil after being exposed to more ethnically and ideologically diverse nations, America especially.
They were correct.
>>345286363
>The imagery in a adaptation is the work of the movie team not writers.
The imagery wouldn't fucking be there without the original work.
>Yeah by stealing entire shots and cinematography,
There's nothing shot-for-shot stolen. Also, so what?
>don't be a drone
And this is how you lose the argument.
>>345286130
>Why did he remove him?
Delusions of grandeur most likely. At least that's the most likely cause seeing how he thinks he's rolling with Hollywood now.
>>345286130
Nobody knows fuck all about it, and anything you find will be purely speculation. If you spoke moon runes you could probably find something.
>>345286573
>The imagery wouldn't fucking be there without the original work.
Uh huh, if you read "Do androids dream of electric sheep?" you'd know it's not a 1:1 adaptation.
>>345281810
start using 4chanx, you'll be surprised by the number of posts being removed
>>345285860
the prediction of internet sludge has nothing to dow ith arpanet
these ideas are literally the philosophical basis of east asian society.
to them, it's common sense that if you don't shut up idiots, idiots will srpead nonsense. it's why they're so strict about getting idiots to shut up
NONE of this is remotely mindshattering to asian audiences. literally only westerners find this remotely mindblowing. they find it mindblowing because westerners are fucking idiots "oh wow democracy is so great, I'm gonna give terrorists the right to vote and everyting will be fine!"
>>345286163
>TFW Kojima threw the talent away so they wouldn't outshine him
>TFW Kojima tried to steal the glory of other franchises to himself
Why, Kojima-san!?
>>345284840
>but /pol/ does cater to openness
good joke
>>345287029
>pol says means things to me
>somehow thats the same as banning someone who has an opinion you dont like
good one retard
>>345283526
So what did..Kojima write?
>>345286930
Nah the reason is simple he wanted to cut costs and divert the money to his own project. At the end of his tenure the only big projects Konami made in house were MGS and the yearly PES
>>345287131
I love how you're pretending that just because you don't get banned that anyone on /pol/ hears anything but what they want to and you get 40 (you)'s of faggots going LALALALALA YOURE WRONG.
I'm 100% sure the MGS Pachinko machine development was commissioned by Kojima himself just like the Castlevania one years before.
>>345287284
>people argue against me
>that means im being oppressed
>I assume they ignore my argument
>thats the same as banning people for having an opinion i dont like
good one retard
>>345286760
Uh huh. Just like Snatcher isn't a 1:1 rip-off of Blade Runner.
>>345287410
>people argue against me
>that means im being oppressed
sounds like /pol/, look at your own comment for proof
Stop being so triggered when people make fun of your internet corner you are too afraid to leave and see the real world.
>>345287168
Nothing really. He's an "ideas guy."
>>345287284
> of faggots going LALALALALA YOURE WRONG.
I got that once on another board when a guy claimed that Trump and Hillary were equally inexperienced.
I told him that Hillary was First Lady and Secretary of State the moron kept on going "where's the experience"
>>345286595
>rolling with Hollywood
This is Kojima's dream though. He loves movies, especially Hollywood produced films. Just check his twitter when a blockbuster releases. Plus the two easter eggs from the recent Star Wars film, cause ya know, he's best buds with jewjew abrams.
>>345287563
It steals too much from Blade Runner and Terminator to be called original. If Snatcher was a science paper Kojima would be called a fraud before the intro ended.
>>345287671
she fucked everything up.
I don't take someone's experience of dropping a baby down a well as childcaring experience, and neither should you, you faggot
>>345286634I think he just wasn't needed anymore, MGS4 (a game Kojima had not intended to do before death threats and Konami's request) went so astray from the canons of the series Fukushima might have just become a dead weight.
>>345280223
it did. especially japan. they were just called white people back then
>>345287567
>sounds like /pol/, look at your own comment for proof
but I am pol
>Stop being so triggered when people make fun of your internet corner you are too afraid to leave and see the real world.
>hes arguing against me
>its because hes triggered!
nah, id rather make fun of you retards that actually think pol has any kind of censorship unlike your liberal faggot websites.
>>345276120
FIRST POST
BEST POST
I came in here to say that, but as
'He read books, unlike you.'
4chan isn't the 'people retreating to their own forums', its the cesspool of random junk data the AI's need to sort to 'keep society sane'.
the former is facebook, twitter, tumblr and shit.
>>345287814
you sound like that guy who was in denial in the face of the facts.
Plus he was salty that the Republican lead witch hunt (aka the e-mail thing) went nowhere
>>345287784
I don't care it "steals" designs and ideas, it's still enjoyable and different enough to be worthwhile. And a good thing it's a video game and not some hypothetical science paper.
>>345287168
According to the leaked script, Kojima wrote the plot, characters, key moments of the story and much of the cutscenes. Fukushima had almost all of the Codec dialogue, including ones relating to the plot.
>>345287029
Im the YOU you're referencing. You should read the rules for pol, no porn and thread must bring some discussion of politics or current news. Sounds pretty open to me, within the rules of course
>>345288059
you sound like a guy in denial about the dick in his mouth
experience fucking something up is not very good proof they can do the job. period.
if I set your house on fire in the process of doing a plumbing job over the course of a year, that means I'm a good plumber?
use your head
>>345276120
>>345280973
>>345281070
>>345286035
Listen to this faggot
>kojima just copied his ideas from books
>which books?
>psht I dont have to name books, just trust me
From memory, MGS2 talks about memories and genetics, which is memetics coined by Richard Dawkins
>>345288267
>fucking something up
Where was the fuckup?
>>345288128
>it's still enjoyable
To you it's enjoyable to me it's just a needles copy of a existing work. Kojima had no shame in the 90s from stealing imagery to outright unlawful reproduction of the likenesses of known actors actors. But to you it's just a video game so it's ok to steal someones hard work. I hope you will someday grow out of this childish mindset.
>>345275890
Because it isn't a new concept at all you fucking underages, jesus
>>345288128
plagiarism is still fucked up, familia.
it's even worse when this dude thinks he's some kind of celebrity
>>345286035
nice way to show your own ignorance.
William Underwood wrote a lengthy dissertation about Japanese internet culture which includes a lot about press control of internet reporting to government and consequential fallout thereof in underground culture and homogenization. The ideas have been around culturally for a while, and aren't much different than the 80s rise of 24hr news reporting being a practically government faculty (as discussed a fair bit in non-fiction Generation of Swine, which unsurprisingly portrays the writer as a sort of outlaw of journalism reeling against this sort of control).
If Underwood -- an English-speaking political scientist -- could glean this as a foreigner in Japan, it's not much of a stretch for a native-born Japanese to investigate it.
The source material has been a part of Japanese society for a while, but was packaged excellently by Tomokazu Fukushima to weave an interesting yarn.
>>345288532
You should become an IP lawyer and go after every sci-fi video game, anime, and movie made since the 1980s since you care so much about what a Sega CD game's intro cutscene afflicted upon you so long ago.
>>345288468
benghazi, being a fucking warmonger, allowing 2k humvees, 10k guns, and hundreds of US TANKS to end up in the hands of ISIS. we just lost control of hte ME on her tenure. offering nuclear capabilities to Iran.
how much longer do you want me to go you idiot? I can't forcefeed 8 years of history into your skull in one post. no wonder you like her.
>>345288162
Was Kojima flying solo for MG2? Cause MGS1 is basically a super extrapolated MG2. Not a stretch to say your statement is true in that case.
>>345288780
The ideas don't have to be original to create an original work.
That isn't genuine plagiarism. I think you know that.
>>345288840
other posters ignoed my post but should pay attention to this one
japanese people are smarter than you. these sorts of dynamics are commonly understood.
>>345288902
spotted the republican.
You can tell because his first mention was the Republican witchhunt known as Benghazi
>>345288532
Kojima likes lolis so he used some loli juice, what's the problem?
>>345289050
Ya'll realize you're in a troll to troll war right? Like, it's the same as a death circle for ants.
>>345288916
He must have I mean who else could've come up with such brilliant ideas as the Running Man(remember kids doping turns you into a terrorist!) or Coward Duck?
>>345288532
Video games that was played by kids and teens not sent for nobel prize or oscar nomination, so it doesnt fully matter bording putting "an adaptation" of certain sci fi movie.
>>345289154
You raise an incredibly valid and humorous point.
>>345288780
Quit being a retarded faggot, anon.
>>345288162
Tomokazu also researched and advised in material. He was keeping Kojima in the rails. Without him you get Peace Walker, MGS4-5 and hmwalking simulations.
>>345289050
>entire administration is failing
>witch hunt
>>345275890
> Snowden played MGS2 before working as a CIA contractor.
>>345289248
>not sent for nobel prize or oscar nomination
Funny because Kojima is a recipient of the game industry equivalents of them.
>>345289034
i'm glad at least one anon in this thread knows everything has been done at least once before, copyright fags are one of my few remaining triggers.
>>345280973
Brave new world discusses similar themes, and it was written in the early 1900s.
>>345288840
The only relevant post in the thread.
>>345289371
>>entire administration is failing
only if you believe the Republican's lies
>>345289368
is kojima suffering from lucas syndrome?
I'm not exactly surprised
>>345280973
>predicted the proliferation of social networking online
MGS2 didn't say anything about social networks. It was more "the 24 hour news cycle and us telling you what to think while you post on internet forums (which I *guess* is a form of social media) are what we're going to sue to control you."
>>345289050
>Republican witchhunt known as Benghazi
You don't have to be a Pubbie to be pissed that the administration allowed a bunch of people to get killed and then lied about it.
Honestly, I'm kinda baffled. I thought the faggot ambassador that got tortured to death was supposed to be a friend of Obama's.
>>345280973
Any fucking sociology book from the 80's. Ulrich Beck and Jean Baudrillard in the 70's, if you want """"""""early"""""""" mainstream sociology predicting this.
Some would say Focault and I'd agree.
>>345283220
Lots of arbitrary assumptions, not much argumentation or actual proofs and examples, it's like listening a teenager rumbling about the way he sees the world.
>>345280973
Here you go.
>>345288840
Also Huxley, etc.
>>345289597
normal people wouldn't be angry about unemployment if it was all a big lie. you know who's angry about unemployment? unemployed people. know who isn't angry? someone who reads a number in the news before going to work.
real anger is the result of real fucking mistakes.
this administratin has failed horribly
>>345288916
Yeah, but while MG2's story is still interesting (it's another take on Rambo), its main draws are the excellent gameplay and soundtrack. The writing was pretty rough compared to the sequels, or maybe that was because of the MSX2 limits.
That's not to say Kojima obviously always didn't have the final word for everything Fukushima wrote (in said scripts there are various drafts which are red penned, unknown by whom but we can probably guess). That's why the script isn't really tied to a single person.
>>345275890
He's a La Li Lu Le Lo.
>>345289516
Again, games. Not real achievements in the grown up world. Do you know demographics? Audience......
>>345288840
Spot on m8
>>345289620
and yet the two aren't at all separate. the same model of echochambers, social withdrawal, and the inability of people speaking truth to gain coverage or recognition applies equally to both for the exact same reasons
>>345289845
Yeah. I've always said Kojima works best in an ensemble (see his early titles), just never thought about Fukushima's effect in a retroactive sense. Or more precisely, I only missed his presence post MGS3.
>>345289757
We are living in the world they describe. There is no refuting that. Would love to see you even try.
>>345289643
>I thought the faggot ambassador that got tortured to death was supposed to be a friend of Obama's.
And so was Rock Hudson to Ronald Reagan. Him and his wife didn't help him with his AIDS stuff despite being long-time friends from Ronald's hollywood days. Reagan also denied AIDS until AFTER Rock died. Even then it took many years after that.
The president(s) don't give a shit about the gays. Why Hillary has a deep gay fanbase, I'll never know.
>>345289937
You know those awards aren't sponsored or given by children, right?
>>345289620
Social media was around long before JewBook and tweetjew. The term wasnt coined until later to group up kikebook and myspace, but most ppl here are too young to understand that. Cuckberg didnt create social networking, he capitalized on a 'new' way of communicating.
>>345290139
this is proven most clearly whenever leftists allow muslims to kill dozens of gays in europe or like in orlando.
why any gay supports democrats at al, I'll never know
even in the worst 1950's america, we NEVER KILLED gays. but somehow when "moderate" muslims kill gays it's not a religious thing, kek
>>345290139
>Why Hillary has a deep gay fanbase, I'll never know.
I don't know why the blacks are in love with her either. Her husband threw their asses off welfare and upped mandatory minimums, and it's not like she's done anything for them. Guess they're just on the plantation and not getting off.
>>345290289
Here you go. This guy has the right of it. The statements made by MGS2 are in reference to 2chan, usenet, irc, forums, xanga, livejournal, other misc blogs, IMs, chat rooms, etc.
>>345290139
>Why Hillary has a deep gay fanbase, I'll never know.
A lot of gays are going the other way after orlando and obama and clinton basically told them if they hadn't been so white it wouldn't have happened.
>>345290489
because she appeals more to Blacks than Trump.
>>345290414
>leftists allow
How did 'leftists' 'allow' the Orlando faggot purge?
>>345290597
Basically this. No one actually likes Hilary . They just hate everyone else
>>345290414
To be fair, Republicans are just as bad. Gays should be wholesale leery toward both parties (or even third parties). But a lot of the younger gays don't understand Stonewall and the AIDS crisis and think "oh well gay marriage is happening, so our fight is over. AIDS is managable with a pill, I shouldn't be wearing condoms anymore! HOORAH!"
>>345290289
>>345289979
Sure. But Kojima was more talking in the early-00's pre-Facebook era. News cycles weren't as fast, so people weren't being bombarded with as many stories from as many places as they are now.
Facebook accelerated the information overload and too much noise on the signal. Before Facebook/"social media" message boards were more town-halls and/or "post this interesting thing for other people that have an interest" with smaller pockets.
I guess a way to word it is like... take 4chan and compare it to Facebook proper. 4chan's userbase is (more than likely) smaller. So if you only used 4chan, you wouldn't be getting as much information as someone that had like... a public Facebook feed that added everyone and anyone to read millions of news articles or stuff from billions of people.
>>345290628
>How did 'leftists' 'allow' the Orlando faggot purge?
they didn't. It's Republicans making shit up to make the opposition look bad
>>345290597
Trump's policies wrt immigration and trade would actually help blacks economically. What's Hillary going to do? Feel their pain?
>>345290628
He's probably referring to the way they keep apologizing for terrorism.
>gee that really sucks how your families and friends got killed, but did you ever consider it was your fault? Muslims can do no wrong after all.
>>345290628
the fbi and cia both need approval from a muslim-run agency that gives approval or declines approval to investigate individual leads. mateen was DECLINED further investigation by that agency.
further, the democrats are the ones letting them in, and then saying "islam LOVES gays!"
those dead gays at on the hands of the dems. not that they care.
>>345290168
Are you actually equating some cheesy game award to a nobel prize?
In the words of our Lord Kek: "le wew laddy"
>>345290502
> obama and clinton basically told them if they hadn't been so white it wouldn't have happened.
Citation needed. Because I didn't run across that ever. That said, I wouldn't be surprised by Clinton doing that. She's the same person that said Nancy Reagan did a lot for the HIV/AIDS crisis in the 80's. It's like "bitch, please... I wasn't even ALIVE during that era and even I know that's bullshit. lrn2gayhistory."
>>345290735
Since I want to quote you and chain the thread merge together, I forgot a REALLY important one here
>>345290494
Dating sites and cyber sex chat as well as early MMOs are big ones. Japan was also wayyy into internet culture before it smacked big here.
>>345290978
Wait, I think I got orlando mixed up with dallas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qaeVwWr2eU
Either way they did apologize for terrorism.
>>345290703
Which is a terrible thing when picking leaders. But thus is the modern murican populace
>>345290919
>muslim-run agency
What, the White House?
>further, the democrats are the ones letting them in, and then saying "islam LOVES gays!"
Mateen was born in the US and his parents emigrated here during the Reagan administration. Take it up with Ronnie's ghost.
Also, I thought you meant actual leftists, not Democrats.
>>345290735
how is gays not wearing condoms a creation of the republicans?
republicans don't kill gays. but muslims who vote democrat do. and the democrats who let the muslims in are indirectly killing the gays
so we have two situations in which dems kill gays, and 0 in which republicans do. they're not "just as bad." the democats are demonstrably worse in this regard.
>news cycles
you THINK it's not the same because you don't see the phenomenon. you see individual examples.
information overload was overwhelming the ability of people to discern truth FAR before buzzfeed came along. you think the problem MAGICALLY became awful all of a sudden? no. it was gradual, and slow, and bad from the beginning. just because you didn't recognize it as such doesn't mean it suddenly transformed, therefore what kojima was talking about was differnt.
it was EXACTLY the same. as the other anon which these idiots are ignoring mentioned, the information question is a FUNDAMENTAL problem in japanese philosophy that's hundreds of years old.
they KNEW letting idiots speak freely would pollute the common sphere HUNDREDS of years ago. it dn't suddenly get worse with facebook. the problem was ALWAYS there, whether YOU realize it or not.
>>345280223
>Asian never went through that shit
come to south korea. The nation of prudes and a ministry of gender equality and family. I am not shitting you. That ministry exists.
>>345290926
You think the Nobel prize wasn't criticized in it's day in the same way you do now(it's still is btw). Everything has it's beginnings.
>>345291216
>I thought you meant leftists not democrats
I DO mean leftists. muslims fairly regularly BEHEAD gays in europe. those are leftists. not democrats.
>>345290067
Their description lacks nuance and is a really gross generalization. It's one of these convenient half-truths they are talking about.
Their view isn't uninteresting, it just doesn't seem so smart and well observed to me, that's why i compared it to a teenager's rumbling earlier.
>>345291270
>how is gays not wearing condoms a creation of the republicans?
I should've broke that thought in two lines.
Republicans don't want to pass laws that will help homosexuals. See how long it took gay marriage to pass. See how long it took Republican leaders to admit HIV was a crisis for homosexuals in the 80's. See how they say homosexuals are an abomination due to a magical book of fairy tells telling them to say that.
Democrats are just as bad as they won't support gays unless it's politically advantageous for them to. See: Hillary's flip-flopping on issues unless polling says she comes out with gains to do that. Same for other Democrats.
But most younger gays don't understand this because, like I said: They don't know history and think the democrats helping out means all their problems are solved when both parties aren't going to help them at the end of the day.
>>345290494
this a thousand times, its like you faggots don't know where imageboards came from or something -_-
>>345280973
Discipline and Punish, The Society of the Spectacle, there fucking mong
>>345289613
Well he created a Prequel series that's had mixed reception, you tell me.
>>345284815
I never understand the despise for /vg/ when they're the only group interested in actually talking about games instead of winning arguments because they're true fans of the content. Sure you get your undertale's and katawa shoujo or whatever, but a majority of the community is helpful and keeps you on the know about the games.
>>345291513
>It's one of these convenient half-truths they are talking about.
It's not a half truth. It is the truth. 100 years ago we had circuses of freaks and weirdos, and at the circus is where they stayed. Now we don't have to go to the circus because the internet gives us unlimited access to shows and videos about freaks and weirdos. Some people even get paid for it, like that woman who gets paid to send her shit through the mail.
Does it lack nuance? Absolutely. Is it a gross generalization? It's certainly a generalization, but the truest of all.
> it just doesn't seem so smart and well observed to me
Agreed. The most important part is that everyone knows they're right and nobody has any idea what to do about it.
>>345283816
Name me a book or film that is entirely original.
>>345291048
that doesn't fit the narrative of my shitposting thread though. DELETE THIS.
>>345291296
I'll ask again, how is finding the structure of DNA which won a nobel prize and advanced medicine and science the same as people thinking one child's game is great? Unless you are speaking of art, then please mention the nobel prize for literature which is still higher grade than "muh big boss"
>>345275890
He knows Venom abandoned Quiet and that is why her heart is broken.
He knows no one loved Quiet or liked her but he isn't gonna just say it.
>tfw will never go through the MSG2 experience for the first time again
I can't say goodbye to yesterday, my friend..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AbskLUQZDM
>>345276414
MGS is just about nuclear weapons and bad ass people
most western just overreact to kojima's writings
>>345291995
>group interested in actually talking about games
Are we pretending now that /vg/ isn't a big circlejerk for trip and namefags?
>>345291708
republicans are MEAN to gays, and don't want to pass laws to protect things that gays can protect themselves from by wearing condoms. boo hoo
the dems are LITERALLY HIRING and giving MONEY TO the muslims that are going around beheading gays
that is NOT "equally bad" unless you are 50/50 on whether you'd like someone to come to your house and either a) say mean things to you or b) shoot you n the head. are you NEUTRAL on this issue? no? neither should gays be.
they are not "equally bad." and if you maintain that, maybe yo should sign up to be shot in the head cuz "it's not that bad bro!"
>>345291708
Not that anon, but im pretty sure Bernie was fighting for gays before it was cool to follow polls for "muh advantage," and im agreeing about shillary flip-flopping
>>345292306
I don't visit there often, but whenever I'd like to learn more about a game I go in a thread, and everyone's more than happy to help or discuss an idea. I wouldn't deny there being namefags there though, but I've had a decent experience there.
>>345292305
>MGS is just about nuclear weapons and bad ass people
Look at this post, these are the people that keep complaining about MGS not being deep. There's this thing called layers, anon.
>>345292348
If you can't protect yourself from crazy lunatics you deserve to be shot in the head.
>>345292348
>video games
>>345292637
>There's this thing called layers
You mean like Ogres?
I hope the liberal trash that's infected this board due to gamergate knows it must commit suicide when Trump wins this November
>>345292654
it's a lot easier to protec yourself from the stupid shti gays complain about like AIDS, than it is to protect yourself from a lunatic muslim with a gun
law is VERY GOOD at protecting people from lunatics with guns. laws cannot protect a person from their own poor decisions
>>345292171
This. I fucking love this series, but lets not pretend like it's not an poorly constructed amalgamation of interesting themes and anime tier story telling wrapped up in a b level action movie package
>>345292174
I like Joost, I can give her my gamer penis if she needs a replacement from Kojimjim's little asian hot dog.
>Joost a cutie with a lil booty
>>345292959
You're not even going to pretend this isn't a straw-man, are you?
>>345293074
>it's a "pol is satire" poster
fuck off cuck
>>345292959
T. Guy who got aids by getting fucked by a dickgirl
>>345292959
#buildthewall
>#buildthewall
#buildthewall
>#buildthewall
>>345285389
No, that is a meme created by /v/.
>>345280973
>please tell me a book before MGS2 that discussed the government's inability and desire to control information in an age of instant information.
BNW and 1984 are the most famous ones. I'm sure there are others as well.
>>345276120
This. I love MGS2 but you fags acting like he's some prophet need to stop.
>>345293302
BS, My father works at Yakuza Center and he said you're full of shit.
>>345281916
HOW DID HE KNOW!
DELETE THIS NOW!
>>345293194
Pssst. He thought she was afutanari
>>345292171
I don't even understand what's you point. You are denying the worth of a reward given by a industry just because somewhere in your head you only can accept acclaim for things that are important on your personal scale. Why can music/porn/toymakers/literally every industry have a equivalent of a oscar/noble but not games? The importance of a reward is only measured by the importance of the industry hence the Oscars were more know than Emmy awards. And as you may know Games are a bigger industry now than movies.
>>345293152
Not only are you cuckposting, you're going all out gibberish about posting something about /pol/ being satire. I'm sorry I assumed you knew what a straw-man was, google it.
>>345292959
>when Trump wins this November
top wew
>>345293585
>liberal thinks its post is worth responding to genuinely
>>345293642
are you ready for the debates
>>345292959
Ah, yes, the "liberal infection". We all know this is a conservative and republican image board upholding American values and traditions such as cuckolding, Japanese cartoons and tranny pornography. The most Christian place on the internet.
>>345280973
What's surprising about MGS2 isn't that it made the mindbreaking notion of information control by the government, but rather the execution of it that mirrors so closely to our current society.
"No one is invalidated, but nobody is right" is honestly the best way I've seen to describe what's happening in politics right now.
>>345293568
>i dont even understand your point
You're not even trying now kid
>>345293807
Two retards arguing against each other?
Nah I'll just stay here for that.
![121[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/y8nMdhs.png "121[1].png")
>>345293807
> If he doesn't agree with me he must be a liberal
> Merely pretending to be retarded
hurp durp videogames
>>345280973
homo videns, maybe read some humberto eco
>>345293878
before gamergate idgaf about politics
now i and the vast majority of /v/ hate liberals and are voting trump
it's a shame you people can't see you're bringing about your own demise
>>345294029
of course you are- any vaguely politically related thread or post on /v/ will turn into an anti-marxist, pro-gamergate and trump circlejerk in an instant (because as i said, /v/ hates you due to your infection here and in our hobby), so you must do everything in your power to shut down discussion
wouldnt surprise me if a few of the posters here are the mods luggage lad imposed after he got megacucked by gawker
kill yourselves human trash
>>345293934
You stuck to the noble award pretty hard yet it was you that equaled it to a oscar earlier. If so then how is " finding the structure of DNA" comparable to a new Michael Bay flick getting a Oscar? Like I said it's your personal prejudiced against treating games as it's own medium worthy of it's own industry award.
>>345283220
>Rights of criminals are given more respect than the privacy of their victims
Pardon my retardedness, but where could I see this in present world? The only thing I can imagine is the whole rapists thing and #blacklivesmatter but what else?What did he mean by this?
>>345294292
replying to my own post here
love how you tumblr faggot cunts have stopped typing now
you really are the lowest humans to have ever existed, ever
utterly pitiable
>>345294435
google any 'burglar sues' story and come out from under your rock.
>>345294292
>it's a shame you people can't see you're bringing about your own demise
Nani?
>>345294292
> of course you are- any vaguely politically related thread or post on /v/ will turn into an anti-marxist, pro-gamergate and trump circlejerk in an instant (because as i said, /v/ hates you due to your infection here and in our hobby), so you must do everything in your power to shut down discussion
Fuck of nigger, people don't hated people who don't go to /pol/ but identify themselves as /pol/ like it's a fucking gender or starsign or some shit and for some reason thing they should be discussing politics on a fucking videogame board when there's not one but two boards for fucking discussing contemporary politics
> wouldnt surprise me if a few of the posters here are the mods luggage lad imposed after he got megacucked by gawker
Obviously, but you forgot how the mods are secretly jews, part of a conspiracy to destroy 4chan and probably commies as well.
> kill yourselves human trash
Spoken like a true Christian.
>>345275890
How much of this was Kojima and how much was Fukushima though?
Because you sure as hell don't see much of these thought provoking themes post MGS3.
>>345295351
sub 80 iq post
well done
>>345295416
Fukushima was a big guy.
>>345295019
I see. Thanks anon. Have a (You) on me.
>>345294918
HA!
I laugh at those who have been taken on this wild ride.
>>345280973
Crying of Lot 49, White Noise, some others I can't think of.
>>345295416
A great deal of it was probably Kojima. Fukushima probably served as a nice buffer--judging from Ghost Babel and the other games he worked on with Kojima--but I think his importance has probably gotten inflated.
>>345296607
>A great deal of it was probably Kojima.
I don't know man.
Everything past MGS3 kinda felt lacking from MGS1/2. I mean the military and tech info dumps are still there, but none of the thought provoking themes are.
>>345291291
>stationed in korea
>no porn allowed
Halp.
>>345296668
>Everything past MGS3 kinda felt lacking from MGS1/2.
I think it was largely just fatigue. Kojima himself was fatigued by Metal Gear, and the narrative he was trying to work in was similarly stretched out and tired. The reaction to MGS2 probably had a lot to do with it, too.
>>345297216
>I think it was largely just fatigue
I think that's more an excuse than anything. You don't just completely drop all of the interesting themes you were going for as soon as your writer left.
It's not a stretch to think Fukushima had a bigger part in the writing than we thoguht.
>>345297867
I'm not saying it excuses it. It's just the way it is: when you get tired of something you're less likely to put in the same kind of effort.
:^)
>>345293878
It is true though, I live in a third world country and there are 70% liberals in my college.
>>345284815
>MGSV has great gameplay
barely good*
by your standards MGS4 really deserved all those 10s
>>345286035
>to act as if the guy came up with those things
you are assuming out of your ass
>>345284556
>>345283220
Isn't that just group think? Not trying to trivialize it, but just saying that these hugbox communities, which have existed in the internet since ages, are just places where opinions are reaffirmed.
>>345290067
>We are living in the world they describe
We always have
>>345286035
>makes a statement
>gets asked to justify said statement
>'fuck you I don't need to do that'
Only on /v/
>>345303113
And that the internet has made it so people can continually be validated by like-minded individuals, stymieing human evolution. Do you think there'd be as many furries in the world if there wasn't forums where they could congregate free from scrutiny?
>>345303187
The internet hasn't always been around.
>>345281209
>no 4chan board is a hugbox
It's called /pol/, thank you very much
