Why are the old poke games so shit? What happened? Gold and silver are unplayable.
>>345268731
>Gold and silver are unplayable
The only ones that are unplayable are R/B/Y
Because contrary to what underagefags would have you think, new video games are generally better then old ones due to better polish and quality control compared to older games, combined with better hardware.
For pokemon specifically, the lack of the physical special split is pretty jarring.
>>345269130
Fuck you. When was the last time you tried to play R/B/Y?
>>345268731
The real question is why play the original when you could be playing the vastly superior remakes?
They're solid RPGs for the gameboy library.
>>345269430
Nostalgiafags.
Speaking of pokemon I haven't played one in years and am thinking of starting a file in fire red, any good ideas for challenges? Pokemon is pretty easy normally so I wanted to make it a bit more difficult, was thinking about trying to do a nuzlocke run.
>>345269430
I hate the graphics of the new ones. Gen 1-2 are the only decent looking poke games.
>>345269430
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>>345268731
it's simply a different meta, due to the way types worked, shitty movepools and worse attacking moves the older games have more defensive oriented gameplay.
>>345268731
>female Scizor
>>345269426
not him but i replay them every couple of years. they're thoroughly playable and also the only pokemon games with a good story.
>>345268731
Gold and Silver has a GOAT soundtrack and doesn't have Pokemon following you around like a lost puppy like HGSS.
>Top tier
Gold/Silver/Crystal
>Great tier
Red/Blue
>Good tier
Ruby/Saphire/Emerald/Yellow
>Shit tier
the rest
I can't play anything pre-Phys/Special split anymore. When Gen 1 came back out I replayed it and had a shit ton of fun, but I hadn't played them in a good decade and I never played FR/LG so I was taking a major nostalgia trip, but beyond that I just can't deal without the distinction between physical and special. Say whatever the hell else you want about Gen 4 - it had plenty of problems for sure - biut I honestly think it'll always be my favorite gen just for that shit alone.
>>345268731
The main story is perfectly fine.
PvP is terrible but they did pretty well for a system that was never tried before.
It's the same fucking game what are you talking about why do you have to write stupid things goddammit Anoon.
>>345271992
>>345271992
The correct choice.
Why would anyone want a shitty male Mantis unless they want a cuck who gets his head bitten off.
Born in 1988 and I don't know why anyone would play G/S/C over HG/SS. I've had this argument with people IRL and they usually concede when I tell them any Pokemon will physically follow you
>>345272448
Good lord
You just, like, had to be there man. You just don't get it.
>>345272272
Gen 4 hate is kinda funny to me, cause of the 5 games released in gen 4, 3 of them are commonly considered some of the best in the series (Platinum, Heart Gold, Soul silver)
Diamond and Pearl had so many problems though that they soured a ton of players to the entire gen.
>>345272272
If we only could get Emerald with phys/spec split...
>>345272586
I like the sprites better
>>345268731
>Gold and silver are unplayable.
I'm pretty sure you're mistaken.
I dug up my old GBC, put in Silver, and turned on the power.
I was undeniably playing it.
>>345269430
anything over gen 1 is ass.
make a new game with gen 1 and I will buy it.
>>345269430
I actually replay pokemon for the glitches. I miss TRs Rockin'.
>>345273063
It's called Pokemon Go anon.
Irregular reminder that BW2 are the best games of the series.
>>345272864
>Release games
>Follow up with an improved third version
>Remake games
>Remake the inferior versions instead of the version you fixed
Only Gamefreak.
I bet ORAS wouldnt have died out as fast as it did if it was an Emerald remake. They didnt even fix gen 3s random annoyances like those 4 FUCKING ROCKS northbof Mauville.
>>345268731
They aren't. You just have to remember how they operate when going back to them. I recently found my old Red cart and almost forgot that crits were based on speed and that psychic was OP.
>>345268731
Because a time before the Physical/Special split was pretty painful. A good chunk of Pokemom were straight ass because they had no usable STAB due to having typing that was physical/special but having low attack/sp.attack.
You guys should try liquid crystal. It's a fan made remake of crystal. Physical and special are split and it uses emeralds engine.
>>345273161
I know, which I play but I want an updated blue version or something.
All of the new shit in the new games with none of the digimon mucking up the works.
>>345268731
Literally shit taste.
Gold/Silver are the MOST replayable games out of the entire franchise. No other games have as much fun packed into such a short and sweet package.
I replay gold every year and it's amazing every time.
>>345273063
>anything over gen 1 is ass.
Gen 2 is a great extension of Gen 1, probably the truest "sequel" in the franchise. Gen 3 and onward just kind of feel like doing their own thing, even B&W2 doesn't feel like a sequel to the first B&W
That's why HGSS exist
>>345273472
I mean that's wrong and all but I won't argue with you because nostalgia will blind you anyways.
Why couldn't have HGSS fixed Gen II's problems?
>No Johto pokemon in Johto
>Poor pokemon placement in general like Remoraid only being found with a super rod
>Horrible level scaling all around
>Barren Kanto
>>345268731
They have aged very poorly. Gen 3 is really the first one that's enjoyable by today's standards. I would never give someone who's played new pokemon a copy of red and expect them to enjoy it.
Say what you will about pokemon designs, gen 1 and 2 to a lesser extent were shitty games.
>>345268731
(you)
>>345273215
It's fucking astonishing because HG/SS took shit from Crystal.
I will also never get over changing Kris and removing customizing your room.
>>345273180
I feel like the only person who didn't like it, liked BW1 better honestly. My favorite is explorers of sky but if counting main series I would say either FR/LG or HG/SS were my favorite.
>>345273629
My entire argument is based on taste, fun and subjective experience. No shit it's all about nostalgia. This thread is bait anyway so don't expect any discussion of value.
And don't act like you're on a fucking high ground because you can fling shit but not back it up. Fuck up, cunt.
>>345272242
>I am completely blinded by nostalgia
>>345273784
>Say what you will about pokemon designs, gen 1 and 2 to a lesser extent were shitty games.
What in the fuck are you talking about? Gen 1 and 2 are the best ones.
>>345268731
HG/SS brought so many quality of life improvements plus battle frontier, which should be mandatory by this point.
>unplayable
>i just downloaded Pokemon Crystal on my cell phone and it's more playable than ever
I want this unplayable meme to end
>>345273815
>hack the ROM to get Kris back
>also hack her into Sacred Gold
I don't remember how or where I came across the Kris hack but goddamn I love it.
>>345273769
>No Johto pokemon in Johto
I assume you meant "no Kanto Pokemon in Johto". Not really a big deal, 150+100 is a really good fraction of new Pokemon. This only became a problem when the Pokedex became bloated, and B&W2 is really the only title that gave enough of a shit to do something about it
>Poor pokemon placement in general like Remoraid only being found with a super rod
How is that poor? I always found Pokemon fighting to be shit but Pokemon catching to be the best part, just gives you more incentive to fulfill certain conditions.
>Horrible level scaling all around
There was level scaling in G/S/C? I don't remember
>Barren Kanto
For a post-game area it's pretty huge. Especially given the OG Game Boy's limitations.
How do I fix all these fucking black spots that show up when emulating HG and SS?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pb8lWlEqcgY
>>345274053
>gen 1 was good
For fucks sake, someone post that chart.
Anyone who says this has their opinion immediately discarded. New gens have added incredible improvements over the previous formula. You're allowed to call gen 1 or 2 your favorite, but at least admit that it's because of nostalgia.
>>345274221
You buy the games
>>345272242
Nice bait. Now go die in a fire or something.
>>345274096
You aren't a real Pokemon fan unless you've replaced your old cartridge batteries yourself.
>>345274384
Can we be realistic here?
>>345269263
This x1000.
DPP take a lot of shit for sinnoh, but they did the best change to the game mechanics.
But Gold/Silver/Crystal are the best of the pre-DS Pokemon games
>>345273215
Weren't those there to force you to beat Wattson?
Emerald was my first game when I was younger, and I remember getting stuck there because I had no clue how to really play, Sonicboom and Supersonic were fucking me up, and for some reason my Marshtomp never learned Mud Shot.I beat it after I somehow evolved it to Swampert
>>345274454
Don't ever suggest diamond and pearl again. Slowest pieces of shit.
Give me a "broken" game then one that takes ten years to complete a turn.
>>345274431
nigga, i still have my original Gold version.
I tried playing my Yellow/Blue but the battery to that cartridge died.
>>345274379
>>345258341 that one?
SS and HG look and play better than gold and silver but all those new types, HM's and weather during battles is anoying
>>345274587
I wasn't suggesting them, I am aware of their slowiness. It's just that they made combat mechanics amazingly better.
>>345274210
No, as in half the Johto dex couldn't be found in Johto.
>>345274379
GBA gen 1 and DS gen 2 are pretty great though.
It might because I only played them back when they were released but what's with the Diamond and Pearl hate?
>>345268731
your mom is unplayable
>>345274643
No man that chart showing all the inexcusable issues with gen 1.
Fuck you I went and got it.
>>345268809
> R/B/Y
On victory road now.The encounter rate in dungeon is annonying.
>>345272242
This is a good list
>>345274379
>For fucks sake, someone post that chart.
Fuck off with your meme complaints. Pokemon games are shitty, broken rock/paper/scissors variants with zero to no depth.
>>345274771
Those were gen 3 and 4 games, anon.
>mfw most of /v/ probably never even played red/blue/yellow
>mfw most of /v/ probably never played anything before the PS2/Xbox when it was current
I'm too old to be coming to this shit site.
>>345274787
Really, really, really slow. No fire types. Besides that they're not terrible games, but completely obsolete with Platinum, which fixed all the core issues.
>>345274918
Why are you even here?
>>345274210
>There was level scaling in G/S/C? I don't remember
Because there wasn't levels jump around like crazy but wild pokemon outside of Mt.Silver struggle to reach 32
>>345274949
RBY came out in 1998
Get over yourself you fucking idiot
>>345274832
>list of autistic shit no normal person would give a fuck about
And people wonder why the only people who care about post gen1 Pokemon are shut-in losers.
>>345272539
>not wanting to bite off your Scyther's head after you make him fertilize your eggs
Why are they unplayable? Every Pokemon game has the same basic structure
>>345274949
Mate my 14 year old niece has played the original Pokémon it's not that uncommon
>>345274950
I still find it slow as molasses but thats part of the reason I fell in love with emulators but still love Platinum
>>345275076
Yeah and most of the people here are 16-20. The games are nearing 20 years old you dumb faggot.
>>345268731
>unplayable
fuck that, it's totally playable
shit, it's even enjoyable
>>345269426
last played Red a few months ago
last time I went through Gold was a year ago
>>345269430
admittedly, HG/SS is actually brilliant
I'm still convinced they're the best versions in the series to this day.
Can one of you genwunners actually give a decent argument as to why you still think your shitty outdated games are the cream of the crop? The remakes are objectively superior in every possible way.
>>345273769
Who the fuck knows man. They're still vastly superior remakes, but there's so much more they could have fixed easily. Having to grind on level 30 gravelers and golbats in an empty victory road for the Elite 4 is pathetic.
The fact that the story effectively ends in johto also rankles me. Kanto is completely devoid of purpose beyond gym fighting. They added in the new rocket executives so I expected improved story, but nope.
>>345272448
https://youtu.be/bhabd-So7WE
>>345275093
Oh yeah? Wanna tell me why gen 1 was better then? Go ahead, I'll wait.
>>345275140
> most of the people here are 16-20
No, they're not.
Again, get over yourself you fucking idiot. You're not some wise old sage among children, just the same as every other loser around here.
>>345268731
>>345268809
These are the Pokegames I'm most familiar with. It's the ones after Ruby/Sapphire that seem advanced and alien-as-fuck to me. I haven't even bothered playing a Pokemon game since GBA.
>>345275182
>>345275294
>Samefag baiting
Get a life. Better yet better go practice on that smogon ladder. You can bitch about crits there too.
>>345268731
>>345275410
Give Platinum a shot, anon. It's worth it.
>>345275182
ev's are lame as fuck desu. I do not enjoy 1 shotting the same pokemon over and over again all in the same patch of grass or an hour or more just to make sure my pokemons stats are viable.
>genwunners claim new pokemon games are awful and only autistic manchildren play them
>when asked why, the only response they give is "muh gen 1 designs!" and literally nothing else.
God genwun fags trigger me.
>>345275205
>grinding before the Johto E4
lel
no, but seriously, the Johto E4 is a fucking joke and you'll probably do okay even in the upper-30s/low-40s that you'd be at that point without really grinding at all
>>345269426
When the VC release came out, it played fine. A game that sold millions of copies and spawned a massive multimedia franchise isn't going to be literally unplayable a couple decades later just because some autists from /vp/ who circlejerk over R/S/E said so, it wouldn't have become such a massive hit if it were actually unplayable garbage in the first place.
>>345275029
>Why are you even here?
Just a voice of reason. Pokemon games, taken as JRPGs, are easily broken and commonly buggy. The reason why there are so many prevalent "genwunners" is because Gen 1 and 2 were the ones that best grasped their initial ingenuity and coming-of-age appeal. Aside from BW2, every Pokemon game post-Crystal has existed for the sole purpose of moving the newest Nintendo handheld, or boost sales after a decline (as in the case of Sun/Moon or any of the remakes)
>>345274590
>cartridges have batteries
W-whaaaaaat?Thats fucking weird.I won't have to rub my ps1 discs together to regenerate it eventually, will i?
>>345274587
Platinum fixed that. Speaking of that game. Getting the pokedex in that before hgss required 5 or 6 other games. Shit was fucked but it felt amazing.
>>345275410
They got better with very useful things implemented in games.
>Reusable TMs
>Pokecenter and Pokemart in same building
>Physical and Special split
>More attacking moves in the beginning of the games
>More versatile moves
>Ability to evolve pokemon without having to beat elite four for national dex beforehand
I sometimes hesitate going back to older games because of those additions. Tried playing LG/FR with some buddy of mine and it came to a screeching fucking halt when we realized we couldn't evolve Golbat into Crobat without being the E4 first.
>>345275547
Perhaps someday.
>>345275412
Still waiting on that counter-argument, anon. Stalling is only going to prove my point.
I fucking hated Omega Ruby.
Is it because I have a huge nostalgia boner for the original Ruby or because it's actually bad?
I loved HG/SS even though I did play the originals as well. Same with Leaf Green, but I wasn't as much of a fan of LG. It felt slightly off.
>>345275584
>>345275412
>playing the new games means you HAVE to play competitive
Stop
Playing Emerald, any suggestions on who to replace?
>>345275794
>Reusable TMs
And thank god for that
Tired of finding eloberate way to dupe TMs
>>345275603
Well for one because they're mechanically outdated which manifests itself mostly in extremely tedious stuff. You can't bind items, having to save every time you switch box, cant catch pokemon if your box is full (with no notification that your box filled up), etc.
>>345275821
>he actually took the time to edit this shit
Fucking disgusting. Again, get a life.
reminder that ORAS hate is a meme
>implying pokemon has ever been hard
>>345275902
Where is your starter?
>>345275623
I had to grind a bit because Lance's Dragonites were one shotting my Lapras.
>>345275727
Nah platinum (and HG/SS) are still pretty slow.
Not as "wading through molasses covered in honey" slow like DP, but still
>>345275830
I didn't have a problem with the Gen 3 remakes. I still don't know what all the hubbub was about since I just play the pokemon games as time-wasters.
>>345276041
You get tired of using it after your 20th playthrough.
>>345275676
before flash memory was cheap, carts had save RAM and a battery to keep the RAM active
had to replace my Gold cart's save battery not too long ago
>>345275932
in GSC, cloning was easy, so there was that
and people'd generate pokemon holding shit all the time on fakeGTS in gen 4
but I can't remember any special trick with Gen 3
>>345276190
Emerald had a cloning glitch in the Battle Tower, I remember being mad excited when me and my friend accidentally cloned a Kingdra and managed to replicate it 10 minutes later.
>>345276046
>3
>FUCKING
>DRAGONITES
B2W2 Unova > Hoenn > Kanto > Sinnoh > Johto > Kalos
Gen 5 > Gen 4 > Gen 3 > Gen 2 > Gen 1 > Gen 6
>>345276190
The Battle Frontier trick in Emerald you faggot.
>>345275664
You're wrong though. Pokemon games exist as much to push hardware as every other popular franchise. You think God of War is made for the sole purpose of selling PS4s? Or because it's just a popular franchise that generates money, so might as well keep cashing in.
Also Pokemon games are not broken rock/paper/scissors variants with zero depth, they're the deepest and most complex traditional turn-based RPGs around.
Just remembered that i tried to only capture male Pokemon for my team and just female in case of wanting Pokemon eggs.
I do not know, i kinda thought female Pokemon were weaker per default as a child.
>best gen is unplayable
At least try hg/ss
>>345276374
In Gen II it was impossible for female Pokemon to have a maxed out attack stat thanks to the way genders were determined, so you aren't entirely wrong.
>>345276021
>snipping tool
>taking any time
Guess I win since you're just gonna keep acting like a retard rather than explain anything. See ya around, I guess.
Genwunners, everybody.
>>345276309
>>345276281
ah, there we go
>>345276374
in g/s/c, they actually were statistically weaker because of the way gender was determined
>God Tier
R/S/E
HG/SS
Great Tier
X/Y
D/P/P
FR/LG
>Though was god tier at the time, but is now just pretty good
G/S/C
R/B/Y
>Decent Tier
B/W
I never played B/W2, so I can't comment on that. I played about 5 hours of ORAS but was just bored to tears for some reason, so I'm not going to rank them either. Anyways, that's my tier list; I'm pretty biased in favor of RSE since Sapphire was one of the only games I had on my GBA, so I just played through it over and over again on family vacations and shit. But I did love the tropical region, some of the pokemon designs, secret bases and pokemon contests. The battle tower was dope too.
B/W might be better than I ranked it too, since I was pretty burned out on pokemon when I played it. It had a good selection of pokemon and a half-decent story, but I feel like the 3d leap that X/Y made really should have happened with B/W. B/W kinda felt like the series was stalling and just not going anywhere, which is probably why I didn't like it very much.
>>345271907
>R/B/Y look better than FR/LG
Are you retarded
>>345269426
I played through Yellow again in September
>>345276374
There was a very minor technically in Gen 2, that due to how genders were determined the very strongest pokémon would be a female.
It was statistically insignificant though.
>>345276659
Based on what >>345276517 >>345276546 say I might be mistaken
Are Pokémon able to mate with humans
>>345276586
decent list
dunno if I'd put R/S/E in god tier myself
and I'd say B/W is better than decent and X/Y less than great (merely decent)
>>345276770
Ditto possibly
>>345274564
The problem is that those rocks respawn every time you go through that area, and that area is pretty commonly traveled. I fucking hate those goddamn rocks.
>>345276770
what do you mean able to? most have a mouth.
>>345276770
Only if you love them enough
>>345276770
Don't start
>>345276316
>>345276316
>they're the deepest and most complex traditional turn-based RPGs around.
>>345268731
The only shitty feature of gen 1 and 2 was the box system. Thankfully they fixed that up in 3
>>345276884
>he mates through his mouth
are you ok?
>>345276913
feel free to give me counterexamples
>>345276904
I don't mean to detail I just want a yes or no.
Just wondering
>>345276998
smt
>>345276450
HG/SS are shit, too.
>Shitty level scaling (level 24 - 28's outside of Blackthorn, whose gym leader has a level 41 that you cannot hit for SE damage)
>Shitty Pokemon placement (most of the options are god awful, and the ones that are good are still awful because no evolutionary stones)
>Game is too easy if you just use one Pokemon, but using more than 3 turns the game into hardmode
>Routes are empty and boring as fuck. Just a bunch of weak trainers using unevolved, low leveled Pokemon that provide no threat and no exp to prepare you for the bullshit gym leaders that are 10 levels ahead
>You cannot identify one route separately from another, since they are literally all grass + tree routes. Literally the only 2 interesting routes are a water route and the route south of Blackthorn
>Half the gym leaders don't even use Johto Pokemon
>Fucking Morty and his one evolutionary line gym
>No evolutionary stones until the second part of the game, with water stones being trapped in the Sea Foam islands, which means no Starmie or Cloyster or Vaporeon until level 40-50
>No post game content, aside from Battle Frontier and like 3 extra legendaries
>Story is still weak as fuck
>Still only like 5 good tracks in the entire game
>Story completely stops in the second half of the main game
Johto is a fucking mess. Having just replayed through Soul Silver, I'd rate it 4/10, just barely better than the originals, X/Y, and OR/AS
>>345276316
>they're the deepest and most complex traditional turn-based RPGs around.
>>345276770
Can you mate with your dog?
The answer is no you degenerate
>>345277051
How does smt have more depth?No seriously I haven't played them and I wanna know
>>345276586
>God tier
Keep E, drop R/S to shit tier.
Do the same for D/P. Never play those inferior versions.
Also B/W are pretty great.
The only improvements in newer generations is for competitive shit. The graphics looks like complete crap on the 3DS games. The difficulty is so ridiculously low it is not even funny. The pattern to complete the game is always the same shit.
Stopped caring about the series when I started Youkai Watch, last one I completed was HGSS I think.
>>345276998
Vagrant Story
SMT
Persona
Dragon Quest
FF and FFT
Bravely Default
Also those 3D dungeon crawlers on 3DS
>>345276770
According to the Canalave Library in Sinnoh, Pokemon and humans were once the same thing, and they mated and ate at the same table.
>elder god tier
yellow
>not ever worth the plastic that surrounds the cartridge tier
everything else
>>345276997
Are you trying to be retarded or...?
If not I'm sorry I said the r-word to you.
>>345276316
>they're the deepest and most complex traditional turn-based RPGs around.
niqqa no
>>345276913
You're a retard if you dispute his argument.
But it's not like it means pokemon is particularly deep, it's just that there's no competition in that genre.
>>345277147
Humans and Pokemon used to be able to mate. Not to mention Pokemon can mate across species. Wailord can mate with a Skitty, etc, etc.
>>345276998
>Water counters fire
>Fire counters grass
>Grass counters water
>Not a glorified rock/paper/scissors simulator with additional selections
>>345268731
Wow, it's almost like they improve them with each iteration.
>>345277072
>HG/SS
>Bad
I think you just have a personal problem anon.
>>345277051
A game with a simpler elemental weakness system, a simpler stat system, a smaller party size, less battle/status effects, less moves, less items and less characters is somehow more complex or deeper? How about no.
>>345277158
Instead of weakening and capturing your team, you have to bargain and recruit them. It's possible for them to just be using you or just join you for being strong enough to flick your wrist and knock their dicks in the dirt.
Combat has a mechanic for adding additional turns to your team for hitting weaknesses and such, and it has the sterotypical plethora of RPG elements that FF has, which is still A LOT.
>>345277072
Technically you can fish up a Dragonair and fight Clair with that. Fuck Double Team though.
Also, I'd argue there's enough postgame content. Battle Frontier itself is pretty good, but there are also gym leader rematches, a load of legendaries to hunt, a super strong bonus boss in the newly unlocked dungeon, and minigames like the Pokeathalom or however you spell it.
>>345277332
No other pokemon games can live up to the God Tier R/S/E in terms of designs, region, HMs, balance, story, music, characters, atmosphere.
The biggest problems with gen 1:
No running shoes
No bike until halfway through the game, and even then cant use with select, have to open the menu every time
>>345277249
>>345277286
>I scratched the surface so clearly I know what I'm talking about
>>345277286
Are you retarded? There are 17 types, and 272 type combinations total. You don't even know about immunities, or abilities, or hold items, or movepools. Pokemon is deeply complex, but it's too luck based to be better than traditional rpgs. That does not excuse your retardation, however.
>>345269426
Why play R/B/Y when Firered/Leafgreen exists?
>>345268809
Playing red++ on hard mode right now.
Too bad you normie faggots won't go near it due to the steps necessary to build the gbc file.
>>345277072
I agree with most of that but I think its more than a 4/10 and I love the following pokemon gimmick
>>345277237
You don't use mouths to breed anon.
>>345274221
HG/SS's anitpiracy is pretty fucking strong. Even with Desumume, you get crashes.
>>345274384
While that is a good suggestion, it doesn't help that GS has it for 50 bucks preowned.
And I don't think his luck will be any better on Amazon.
>>345277438
>hoenn babies
>>345277487
Doesn't add enough imho to bother when I usually just emulate anyway
>>345277610
>HG/SS's anitpiracy is pretty fucking strong. Even with Desumume, you get crashes.
I find saving in game not on the emulator helps a lot
>>345268731
>old
There's your problem right there. Old games are shit. Considering Pokemon was the first "COD" franchise. Why would you go back when the latest iteration plays,sounds and looks better? It's not like a TV show or book or movie that is timeless. Games will always be dated especially if they are part of a franchise.
>>345274379
You're fucking dumb. The subsequent game improvements doesn't negate a single thing from generation 1 being good at all.
RBY are virtually impossible to play then
>>345277509
*tips fedora*
>>345277742
yeah cause super mario world is so much better than 3.
Fuck off.
>>345277401
You can't, not until you beat Clair. Dragon's Den isn't accessible until you beat her.
Though I guess you're right about the stuff other than Battle Frontier. I'm just arguing coming off of playing Platinum, Emerald, and White 2, which all had multiple extra routes and dungeons, new daily events, rematches, post-game bosses (like Cynthia or Steven), minigames, legendary hunting, and usually some other post game quests, like Mt. Stark. HG/SS at least had better post game than X/Y/OR/AS.
>>345277175
I played SMT, Persona, some FFs, Bravely Default and Etrian Odyssey and can say they're not as complex or deep as Pokemon.
Also I used traditional turn-based RPG to exclude games like FFT or Fire Emblem because it is hard to compare games with spatial strategy to those without. Personally I don't think it adds enough to make it more complex more Pokemon (though FFT can get tricky with its heights, FE on the other hand stays very simply in its positioning).
>>345277460
You get a fucking bike by the third gym.
>>345272242
Fuck off Randy
>>345277158
In SMT you can recruit your enemies in a manner somewhat like pokemon but the system is a lot more complex because of things like summoning an fusion, plus there is the fact you cannot grind demons to make them stronger, you need to fuse.
>>345277525
Following Pokemon was indeed really nice. I was just pointing out the flaws in the game. However, I don't think it's enough to give it more than a 6/10. HG/SS is really weak compared to Platinum, which released a year beforehand. If they bothered to fix some of the biggest issues with it (Pokemon scarcity, short length, exp drought), then I might give it a much better score. There's no reason for half the gym leaders to still not use Johto Pokemon. All of the Kalos gym leaders use at least one Kalos Pokemon, and Gen 6 only introduced 69 new Pokemon. Johto had 50% more Pokemon added, so it really has no excuse.
I just want Sun/Moon to have all the fun, extra shit to do after the game. XY/ORAS just failed to deliver so much on that front. Honestly going to have to wait to decide if I get it or not depending on if it looks any good or not.
Also fuck you, here's some autism.
>>345277679
Firered/Leafgreen have breeding, which is a must if you want to have pokemons with perfect IVs
>>345277893
Just because Pokemon has a lot of outcomes in how you develop a team doesn't mean it's deep. It's like the people who say DmC is better than Metal Gear Rising or God of War because LOOK AT ALL LE WACKY COMBOS I CAN MAKE!
Pokemon will ALWAYS boil down to rock/paper/scissors and having a strong enough monster.
>>345272539
Attack stat is determined by gender in gen 2. Anyone who uses a male physical attacking Pokemon is gimping themselves.
>>345277826
SMW > SMB3 > NSMBWii U > the rest
>>345278197
>how to spot a faggot
No need to thank me, just tell your mom and dad, they deserve to know.
>>345277747
R/B/Y were good when they released because they were new and cool. Unfortunately, they have aged like milk. New installments have made it clear that gen 1 was trash. I played gen 1 when it released and I loved the shit out of it. But when I go back and play it now it just gives me a headache. There's just so much missing that later gens added or fixed.
They used to be good. But they are shit by today's standards.
>>345272864
There are romhacks to give the split to 3rd gen games.
>>345271468
RBY looks like literal garbage. It's only good looking ironically in the sense it's goofy ass off model sprites are funny.
GSC have pretty good sprites though
>>345278119
I normally don't cringe at anything. But these deviant art pictures makes me uncomfortable.
>>345278159
This.
>>345278192
*uses a female physical attacking Pokemon is gimping themselves.
>>345277826
Those are both old. Mario is not applicable anyway because the main line of games are trash. Mario kart is the only good Mario.
>>345277893
In your opinion, what makes pokemon that much more complex than those games? It can't just be the typing, SMT has almost just as much different elements as it.
>>345278159
>Just because Pokemon has a lot of outcomes in how you develop a team doesn't mean it's deep
True, but a variety of options and things to consider is pretty much the definition of complexity. And depth comes from all those factors interacting in building a good team.
Boiling Pokemon down to rock-paper-scissor is just incorrect and honestly I don't know why you'd say that. Do you think I'm talking about the main game? Let's be clear, you can beat the story and see the credits roll without even scratching the surface of what the games have to offer in terms of depth.
Also I don't actually believe DmC has more combo potential than MGR or GoW.
>>345278263
Eat shit. SMW had more, better levels, looked better, had the best physics in the series, introduced Yoshi, had actually varying boss fights (instead of 7x the same fight and then Bowser), had better music, and had a better overworld. The only thing 3 does better is powerups, and that's only if you don't consider Yoshi a powerup.
>>345278134
>breeding for perfect IVs in gen 3
Absolute madman or absolute retard?
>>345277178
came here to post thisI wonder if Ghetsis fucked a Pokemon, and that's how N came to be.
>>345278192
really?
>>345278391
I bet you think mario kart wiiu is better than 7 or ds too.
And you're still fucking wrong.
>>345277985
Frig off Ricky!
>>345277771
>looking down on someone for playing a harder version of the game
Did I accidentally post on reddit? This is /v/ right?
>>345277438
I disagree and find it weird you bash HG/SS for having one-level evolution lines in a gym when Norman came at you with a Vigoroth and two Slakings. Wattson doesn't use any pokemon from Hoenn either.
I'll agree that the balance, character balance, ect. is better but that's because RS came out after GS.
People like HG/SS because it's extremely faithful to the original G/S, while adding a lot of shit that doesn't alter the main experience. While some may think that the classic Gen II look is still better, HG/SS redone Gen IV looks just as good and one is clearly better than the other.
Going off on a tangent here, this is why I dislike ORAS. It does stay a little faithful, but it changes the story. It changes the characters, some for the better, most for the worst. The redone Gen 6 engine is still awful, unlike HG/SS that for the most part fixed Gen 4's slow shit. The overworld looks bad and the new character models look bad. They added post game content in the Delta Episode, which can be said that it's better than nothing but by doing so retconned R/S/E and shoehorned in multiverse theory.
TL;DR I think you just dislike GSC in general, I like HG/SS because the core is the same and it added things that don't mess with it, and I hate ORAS because it added things that made the game worse.
>>345274046
>i played pokemon well into adulthood
>>345278419
>he thinks fighting reznor a billion times is fun
>he thinks 3 didn't have varying bosses. You know the koopalings debuted in 3 right?
>>345268731
Stick to playing Go and fisting yourself like all your faggot friends.
>>345278412
>Let's be clear, you can beat the story and see the credits roll without even scratching the surface of what the games have to offer in terms of depth.
Let me guess, you play Dark Souls pvp as well?
Beat the game, fill up your Pokedex, that's it. All that other shit doesn't matter
>>345278554
*downvoted*
>>345278508
Yeah I do. Seriously why would you go back? There are a few exceptions to the rule for instance MGS3 is better than MGS 4 and V.
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>>345278159
No, it's not just RPS you fucking moron. Abilities, status effects, entry hazards, stat boosting, baton passing, phazing, damage negation, weather, field effects, and so on play a huge role in the battle. You don't even know the half of it.
>>345278564
>I play video games
>>345278412
>I play Pokemon competitively
>>345268731
>unplayable
I am not a fan of this /v/ meme.
>>345278412
>Also I don't actually believe DmC has more combo potential than MGR or GoW
Opinion fucking disregarded.
>>345278764
I'm pretty sure at least half if not more abilities are useless because they're stapled onto mons that can't make use of them.
>>345278398
Because there's just so much to consider in building a team. Every step of the way has so much stuff to take into account and so many choices all with pros and cons. And SMT does not have that. SMT doesn't have you building a team out of hundreds of options, and every one of those has options when it comes to ability, nature, movepool, IV, EVs. It is just incredible.
It's a little hard to put into words, maybe check out this small explanation of a championship team and see a glimpse of what goes into building a team. Every single fucking point of EV matters.
http://nuggetbridge.com/blogs/entry/728-follow-me-2014-pok%C3%A9mon-world-champion-team-report/
>>345278617
Reznor only appears in a couple of fortresses, which aren't that common to begin with. There's like 4 of them in the whole game, 2 of which are hidden.
The koopaling fights in 3, however, were all the same. The only thing that changed is their fire rate and the arena. In World, you had the Iggy/Larry fights, the Reznor fights, the Wendy/Lemmy fights, the Morton/Roy fights, the Ludwig fight, and the final Bowser fight. Compare that to the total of 2 different fights in SMB3.
Gen one haters who are modern day Pokemon apologists need to fucking kill themselves. They push this meme all the time to keep Pokemon's rep up. The last 3 Pokemon games have been terrible and RBY is better by miles. It is still the best gen.
>>345278134
>Breeding for I,vs in 3rd gen.
I seriously doubt anyone got anywhere with that. It was natures and e.vs only.
>>345278895
DmC being the reboot. I didn't put much time into it but it didn't seem very expansive in terms of combos.
>>345278979
>Every single fucking point of EV matters.
Even those last 2 points which aren't enough to get a extra stat?
>>345278554
i think he looked down on you because you were being an annoying faggot in your original reply, not much at all to do with playing a harder version of the game
>>345278903
Arena Trap actually made a useless Pokemon like Dugtrio into an OU menace in Gen 5. It doesn't matter if the Pokemon is bad, if it gets a good ability, it becomes god like. Politoed and Ninetales were the bottom of the bottom tier, until they got Drizzle and Drought respectively, and then they had to be banned to the same tier as legendaries.
>>345278903
That is not correct and also disregarding the fact that tiers exist to make every Pokemon competitive at an appropriate level.
>>345273468
Go to bed Mongoose. The Mayor needs you to call ASAP.
>>345278764
Wow, look at all those abilities that make a negligible difference in battle. So deep.
>>345279027
Well yeah, because they have Fairy types and Mega evolutions. New Pokemon can never be good until these things are dropped.
r8 me, just got to Kanto
>>345278979
>Every step of the way has so much stuff to take into account and so many choices all with pros and cons. And SMT does not have that
Did we play the same SMT
>>345279216
>that make a negligible difference in battle
I wish.
>>345268731
looks pretty fucking cool to me
>>345279079
Well all points that alter a stat. You know what I mean.
>>345279332
It's ok. You evolved your piloswine into an abortion though.
>>345279332
What's going on with the magikarp there?
>>345279216
I'll list all of the game changing abilities on that list
>Adaptability
>Aerilate
>Air Lock
>Arena Trap
>Cheek Pouch
>Chlorophyll
>Clear Body
>Cloud Nine
>Color Change
>Competitive
>Compound Eyes
>CONTRARY
>Dark Aura
>DELTA STREAM
>DESOLATE LAND
>Download
>DRIZZLE
>DROUGHT
>Dry Skin
4 of those abilities, at least, are game breaking, not just game changing.
>>345279332
Heracross a best.
>>345278134
>Breeding IVs in a third-gen, non-online Pokemon game that no one plays anymore
Can we talk for a moment about how Scizor is just Scyther with the stats moved around?
And how they don't really even look similar at all? One's a mantis the other is an ant.
>>345279494
I went to Blackthorn to get a Dratini and fished up a shiny Magikarp instead, so I'll just raise her to be a champ.
>>345279216
>look at all those abilities that make a negligible difference in battle
I fear every one of these abilities for their possibilities.
>>345279336
The volume is completely different. And that's just complexitiy.
I also don't think the battle system offers as much depth. Pokemon has shitloads of status effects, stage hazards, all sorts of shit. SMT is pretty standard in that regard and I don't think the mostly luck-based getting extra turns/losing turns adds all that much.
>>345277374
Different strokes for different folks.
>simpler elemental weakness system
You get extra turns for hitting weaknesses, and lose turns for hitting resistances. I would say that's deeper than just giving you bonus damage.
>simpler stat system
Natures and IVs are more complex, but they're also not intended by the devs to be meaningful stats. They are there to make each pokemon "feel" different. But otherwise you have a point.
>smaller party size
Yes and no. You only get 4 members instead of 6, but all 4 act in the same combat compared to pokemon's 1 on 1
>less battle/status effects
I would say both games are about even on status effects. They just don't play as dynamic of a role in SMT.
>Less moves
True, but with less moves comes less "filler" moves that pokemon has started to suffer from.
That's just my opinion, though.
>Less items
True, items don't play as much of a role in SMT as they do in Pokemon.
>Less Characters
See my point about moves. Out of the hundreds of Pokemon we have, how many of those are actually worth using?
>current year
>STILL have to have a useless HM slave
>STILL can't unlearn HMs
>STILL all HMs are shit except surf
please tell me this meme is ending with sun and moon
>>345279332
if you're planning to stick with that Gyarados, you have a redundancy with your Ice and Water types. I love Lapras but you already have both of its types covered. I would find a replacement
>>345279541
>Color Change
>>345278474
I meant to type female Pokemon and that gender is determined by the attack stat but yes.
Gender ratios are the same but its determined by the attack D.v expecially since only the defense and special D.V (sp.atk and sp.def use the same DV and stat experience in order to maintain compatilbity with gen 1) are the only ones to pass with breeding. Unlike I.vs, Dvs range from 0-15 and higher the chance of being female, the higher the attack must be to be male.
>>345279474
>mamoswine
>abortion
Hey, what's the best emulatable game to do a Nuzlocke in?
I've heard that platinum is one of the best, but I don't know about gen IV, but I really like Emerald, should I just play soul Silver?
